1 CoolCzech would hit it.

2 It helps with me.

3 Cunningham is going to plead the Fifth in F&F.  Is he shooting for immunity?  And will Issa givie it to him?

4 She must give great head.

5 But it has served her nicely to make it a big topic again Ross' pointed summary of Gingrich as a guy who left one cancer-struck wife and then an MS-struck one isn't going to help his numbers with women much. Or with men.



To be fair, he was cheating with Callista long before he found out about the MS. It's not like he divorced the woman because she got MS.

6 Allegations from a second wife who knowingly helped Newt commit an act of adultery with his first wife saying newt ain't the nicest person in the world. Tell me something I don't know. And I will not even mention that the prick in the White House now is the nastiest person ever to hold that Office.

7 Oh yeah, Marianne, STFU, no one cares.  All you've done is confirm to everyone that you're a bitter hag.

8 She is ugly enough to have a show on AirAmerica.

9 He is who we thought he was. The ex-wife doesn't have a whole lot of credibility, but unless we think that Newt married every woman he ever had an affair with, then we can expect bimbo eruptions from now until the bitter end.

10 I'll give Newt credit, if nothing else, he seems to be pretty good at trading up

11 Has anyone checked to see if this is the first time she said Newt wanted an open marriage?  She's bitched about him before but I think this is the first time she used the phrase "open marriage".  I think she tried to kick it up a notch.  Maybe with coaching?

12 They tied a pork chop around her neck so the dog would play with her.

13 Who says Newt lacks compassion? I'd describe sex with her as a pity fuck.

14 Shit I have a open marriage. My wallet is wide open for my wife 24/7?

15 Wow, pour me a whole thimble of "I Care".

16 5 She must give great head.

Posted by: Pooter Hound at January 20, 2012 11:05 AM (ELPgk)

Most likely the severed kind.

17 Do I hate Obama, the media or the GOP more? So many choices so little time.

18

Yup, she tried to divorce him in 1987.  She even cleaned their house out and left him only a bed and tv.

 

That marriage was dead long before the incident in the 1990s. She knew it.

Also, I read somewhere that she was trying to sell a book now that she couldn't sell back in 2000.

 

19 Has anyone checked to see if this is the first time she said Newt wanted an open marriage?  She's bitched about him before but I think this is the first time she used the phrase "open marriage"

Ed Rollins, a former Newt staffer, mentioned on Hannity that he knew  a whole lot about this whole situation. A point he made that I thought was interesting was why would Newt use the term "open marriage" unless there were other things going on that made him think it was okay?

20 "open marriage". 

Posted by: Dang at January 20, 2012 11:07 AM (BbX1b)

You keep your goddamn hands off mah wife!

21 Newt's first wife didn't have cancer, and I read that his second wife does not have MS. I think Newt should take ABC on about these points directly.

22 But she would look better in a burkha.

23 Also, as far as I understand it, he was separated from her for 6 years, during which time he started seeing Callista.  So he had an existing relationship with Callista when she came back and said let's get back together.

My wife and I discussed this last night, and my wife thinks Marianne is the "homewrecker" twice over.

24 He's damaged goods. It's like buying a rust-covered '96 F-150 and hoping it doesn't fall apart when you go over a dirt road. He's an accident waiting to happen.

25 Seem like the long way to it, but take your time.

26 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

27 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Has Joined Team Meteor at January 20, 2012 11:13 AM (8y9MW) ya just can't say that to many times

28 She's bitched about him before but I think this is the first time she used the phrase "open marriage".  I think she tried to kick it up a notch.

The old allegations wouldn't have generated headlines.

29 In other news, Cunningham takes the fifth, and won't roll over on justice or Holder. Don't expect to see this in the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the LA Times.

30 Newt needs to lose weight. He's almost as big as Christie.

31 It sounds to me like he was offering her a sham marriage.  They would go on pretending to be a happy couple for appearances sake.

And didn't she leave him for a while?  I didn't see any of that brought up.

32 (Reuters) - The Supreme Court on Friday ruled in a Texas political dispute, rejecting judge-drawn election maps favoring minority candidates and Democrats in the 2012 congressional and state legislature elections. In its first ruling on political boundary-drawing based on the 2010 U.S. Census, the high court unanimously set aside the interim maps created by federal district court judges in San Antonio. The high court said it was unclear whether the judges in Texas followed the appropriate standards and sent the cases back for further proceedings. Sounds like good news

33 Almost as if the free media are actually just Obama apparatchniks...

34 The Supreme Court on Friday ruled in a Texas political dispute, rejecting judge-drawn election maps favoring minority candidates and Democrats in the 2012 congressional and state legislature elections.

Okay, that's frickin' awesome!  Does this mean we'll be using the maps drawn up by our Legislature, or does it go back to the court to be re-drawn (again)?

35 I read That they had split up for 6 years, on Her wishes, than He started a relationship with Callista she wanted to get back together , anyway i read that at Legal Insurrection i believe
why would she have expected him to wait for years for her to make up her mind?

36 I don't think she said the he used the term open marriage. That was her summation of what he meant by requesting that he be able to still see Calista. Open is typically more than just having your girl on the side.....I am with most of you and have no sympathy for her. And given the other posts here, was that simply his way of saying "You can come back if Calista can stay?" That is different than arriving home from work and saying "Hey Honey, I have an idea..."

37 Ugly guy pics up ugly women....film at 11

38 Nothingburger. 

I wonder if he can get wife #1 or any of the kids to go to bat for him?  Wife #1 would be a really powerful counter to mistress #1/wife #2. 

I would like someone (preferably someone who is not in any of these dudes' camps yet) to do a gory explanation (or maybe exploration) of Newt's scandals as Speaker.  Those would be more serious, imho, than fifteen year old sex stuff. 

And for the men here who keep telling me how Women vote, all I can tell you guys is that the only one women hate more than cheating men are the women with whom they've cheated. 

39 anyway it doesn't seem clear what happened except she wanted out of the marriage ,until she didn't.

40 It doesn't matter, the allegations and rumor were the big hit BEFORE the letdown interview. But, the latest PPP poll after the allegations shows that Newt's margin got bigger.

But even that doesn't matter, they are all losers. I vote for a convention nomination of the hissing possum from the "D" Train. Hey, he would get the NYC vote.

He'll turn Long Island "red"

41 I wonder what she has to say about Herb Cain. He likes ugly white women.

42

To me the issue isnÂ’t about Newt and poon.  Dismissing his actions as normal behavior because lots of people get divorced misses the point.  Sure divorce can happen to the best of us, but the dogs that cheat on their wives in a serial fashion donÂ’t get a free pass on the character issue.  

Character, folks is the most important issue relative to the ex-wifeÂ’s interview.  The pols that lack the character and integrity gene do things like take bribes, fix bids and the like.  What a politician is like when no one is looking is extremely pertinent here.  NewtÂ’s being accused by his ex as someone whoÂ’s arrogant and full of hubris.  This is what we already have in the White House and it sucks.

43 I don't give a crap whether Newt raped gay hamsters. He is better then what we have now. OBJECTIVE:  Obama must go............

44 Didn't the MSM avoid all mention of an affair by John Edwards while he was running for president? And didn't his wife actually have cancer and die from it?

45 And Newt kicked it up the CNN asshole's ass last night and got a standing ovation.

46 Beck just said if Gingrich is the nominee, he won't vote for president or he will go third party.

47 To be fair, he was cheating with Callista long before he found out about the MS.

"Fucking someone new after the wife leaves" is not cheating. If she didn't want him fucking someone else, she should have stayed. Newt's mistake was not telling her to FOAD when she came crawling back to disrupt his life.

(Did she come back for the health insurance or other financial gain?  This happened to my cousin...bitch left him to fuck someone else while he was deployed in Saudi Arabia, then when the strange dumped her and she realized my cousin had a good job and a house and a great life (and all she had was debt), she contacted him out of the blue to get back together. Gah. Womyn.)

48 Much ado about nothing.

49 "Ross' pointed summary of Gingrich as a guy who left one cancer-struck wife and then an MS-struck one isn't going to help his numbers with women much. Or with men." You do know that the above statement is completely false, right?

50

Ross' pointed summary of Gingrich as a guy who left one cancer-struck wife and then an MS-struck one isn't going to help his numbers with women much.

This is why I hate many female voters. Why should I care if he left someone with MS? Are people with disabilities supposed to be pitied and viewed as some sort of inferior group of people who can't handle being treated like normal adults? That is utterly ridiculous. I'm a 26 year old male with Muscular Dystrophy, I guess every woman I've ever had relationships end with have committed some unspeakable crime and now must start sexing me up once again.

51 @5 She must give great head.

Posted by: Pooter Hound at January 20, 2012 11:05 AM (ELPgk)

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

52 I was once one of Beck's biggest fans and defenders. I'm out.

53 Part of the problem with the open-ended, changeable nature of marriage is the challenge, when viewed beforehand and objectively, of remaining faithful to one woman. The other part is that people will judge you by your choice of spouse. It's a crapshoot in which Newt rolled snake-eyes.

54 "why would she have expected him to wait for years for her to make up her mind?"

That's the part of this that makes me nuts.  6 years of separation, yet he's supposed to remain alone waiting for her to make up her mind?

Jeez, I'm coming across as a Newt guy now, but I think this story is stupid on so many levels.

Also ... "Open Marriage"?  Her words and Brian Ross's, Newt never said those words.

55 mare: take him for who he is now, which seems to be something between Andy Rooney and Jon Stewart.

56 Heather, had a friend that He and wife split up but never filed for divorce as He moved to another state to just forget about everything (dumb) anyway she got together with a man and had two kids, then they split up, she tried to come after my firend for child support, He had to prove wherer he was all those years and do dna testing, he was finally freed , but what a time he had.

57

Good job, ABC.

Check is in the mail, comrades.

58 I'm not voting for a husband.

59 1 CoolCzech would hit it. Posted by: Pooter Hound at January 20, 2012 11:01 AM (ELPgk) Hey, bury that face in the pillow, and you've got yourself back in the saddle in no time, mi amigo. But I have to say - Newt left Wife One for THIS? WTF did Wife One look like?

60 Cobloggers, ace. The top post on Cass Sunstain at WUWT is moron fertilizer.

61 Beck just said if Gingrich is the nominee, he won't vote for president or he will go third party.

Then F* him sideways with a rusty chain-saw.

62 He had to prove wherer he was all those years and do dna testing, he was finally freed , but what a time he had.

In some States even if he proved the children were not his and they were still married he would have to support them. The damn laws on child support are totally hosed in most States. And family court truly sucks if you are a guy.

63

The ex comes off as bitter and loses some credibility.  Newt handled it well, as Newt does.

However, the problem isnÂ’t with Newt or the ex, itÂ’s with Callista.  People donÂ’t pick a president according to their VP pick, but they do figure in the subject of what kind of First Lady weÂ’re going to end up with, if only subconsciously. 

IÂ’m leery of how people are going to act in the primary voting booth thinking about Callista “being ok” with a semi-open marriage.  That and starting her journey to the White House by giving Newt blow jobs in the car.

 

64 Dang! Ace up wid da chickens.

65 I was once one of Beck's biggest fans and defenders.

I'm out.

Yeah, Mr. "I'm scared for the future of this country if Obama's reelected" sure is doing his best to make that happen.

Who the fuck actually takes this assholes advice anyway?

66 What happens in a mans bedroom is his private's business"

67 Never thought I would say this.. But Palin's lookin' pretty damn good right now!

But seriously.. this is good news that Newt is surging.  If he can erode enough of Mitt's support to take this fight to the convention, maybe we can convince Chris Christie to step in.

68 Vic, ow, yes he should have filed for divorce , It would have not set him up for all the later damage.

69 I don't think Newt used the term open marriage, she did. My impression is he gave her the choice of divorcing or not divorcing, but he wasn't giving up Callista.

70 maybe we can convince Chris Christie to step in.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2012 11:27 AM (f9c2L)

Why? He's just a fat Mutt.

71 Dennis Miller has completely displaced Beck (who was interesting a year or two ago) and takes an hour-long chunk from Rush (who I hardly hear anymore after years of daily exposure) on my radio schedule.

72 You do know that the above statement is completely false, right?

Posted by: mare at January 20, 2012 11:20 AM (A98Xu)

But it makes such salacious reading. Don't let facts get in the way of a good story

73 Newt coming up on the Mike Gallagher show.....WOR radio.  710 if you're in the tri-state area.

74 I’m leery of how people are going to act in the primary voting booth thinking about Callista “being ok” with a semi-open marriage.

The country is in the shitter. Does anyone really care about this?

75 Nobody gets separated for six years without getting together at some point with someone. When do we hear from the guys Marianne was banging in that time period? Then again, who would admit to it...?

76 But seriously.. this is good news that Newt is surging. If he can erode enough of Mitt's support to take this fight to the convention, maybe we can convince Chris Christie to step in.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2012 11:27 AM (f9c2L)

Fukkin' A, there ain't enough RINOs in the contest yet. And Christie can't step, he'd have to waddle.

77 Glen Beck comes out for the re-election of Obama. Film at GBTV. /Glen Beck is a retard.

78 I still say we go with the hissing possum. He don't take no shit. He can sign up the honey badger as a VP choice.

79 "but they do figure in the subject of what kind of First Lady weÂ’re going to end up with, if only subconsciously"

Michelle Obama ... I rest my case

80 38 Ugly guy pics up ugly women....film at 11

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 20, 2012 11:18 AM (FzVXi)

 

A story made for radio.

81 71 I don't think Newt used the term open marriage, she did. My impression is he gave her the choice of divorcing or not divorcing, but he wasn't giving up Callista. Posted by: real joe at January 20, 2012 11:27 AM (w7Lv+) Well... that's called an "open marriage." Interesting no one made such an issue of it when Trump was pretending to be interested in a Presidential run - he told Ivana he would divorce her if she did not allow him to have a mistress. The rest is history... This story is not an immediate disaster, but will have a corrosive effect as time goes by. I can't see too many women just being oblivious to it.

82 Marianne is obviously a skank herself, but can we not just say that Newt's past is disgusting?  What if Newt had a (D) next to his name, what would we as conservatives say about him then?  That's what you call hypocrisy.

Sorry, I can't nominate someone I know independent voters will be disgusted with, especially since even I as a conservative that hates Obama with a passion would have a hard time pulling the lever for such a pig.

Women will not vote for Newt, even with an 8% unemployment rate.  They would much rather "send a message" about what they they think of men like Newt that leave their seriously ill wives high and dry for a younger, better looking mistress.

83

And now we see the "value" in making divorce something that is difficult to obtain.

I mean, if people knew that they couldn't end a marriage on a whim, it MIGHT make them think a little harder before they take that leap.

(And please don't jump all over me for my statement - I realize there were drawbacks to the "old" system that made it necessary to make it easier to obtain a divorce)

Also, anyone who still believes the "50% of all marriages end in divorce" lie needs to re-read their Thomas Sowell ("Visions of the Anointed" is where I saw it torn apart) - some idiots in the news media don't understand basic math/statistics.

Then again, that's probably why they are "reporters".....

84

What was your position on Bill Clinton in 1997. 

Good for him.

What else does he do when no one is looking?

Don't blame him - have you taken a good look at his wife?

What other character flaws does this guy have?

What *is* the definition of is?

85 joncelli, if Newt's a beat up old truck, Mittens is a shiny Jaguar with questionable electrics.

86 Open marriage connotes to me, that they both sleep around with whoever they want. If Newt was committed to being only with Callista while still married to whatsername, I see that as somewhat different. YMMV.

87 Don't all Jaguars have questionable electrics, shiny or not? The ones made in Britain at least.

88 The women won't vote for him meme will be tested tomorrow. SC always has a good turnout of women voters for the primary.

89 @86 OK, I reluctantly concede to your point.  After all, I was a bit digusted by John Edwards, although the MSM told me not to be.

90 I slept with Marianne Gingrich. I had to chew my arm off to escape the next morning.

91 Let's face it, what made Calista TRULY a bitter pill for Marianne to swallow was that Calista did to HER what she did to Wife Number One. Sort of like thieves stealing from each other - it turnabout somehow seems particularly vile to them.

92 Here's another rub for tomorrow, they are predicting shitty weather. That will scale back the uncomitted vote. Benefit the paulbots

93 Have I mentioned yet that I slept with her?

94 We should be debating who should be Newt's VP pick. A Perry vs. Biden debate would be priceless.

95

Apparently she didn't have an issue with helping to make his 1st marriage an open one...Must be different when the foots on the other hand.

 

I think i'm developing a zero tolerance for bitching by mistresses.

 

 

 

96 I would disqualify Newt on grounds of poor taste in women.

97 What was your position on Bill Clinton in 1997.

Perjury and Obstruction of Justice are unacceptable in the President of the United States.

Stop it with the "Clinton was impeached over sex" meme- it was a blatant lie even then.

98

Why? He's just a fat Mutt.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2012 11:28 AM (YdQQY)

No.  Give the fat man his due, he makes even Mitt look conservative.

99 Biden debate? Can he talk with that drool cup at his maw?

100 Must be different when the foots on the other hand. ------------------------------------------------------ Must be different when the Horseshoe is on the other hoof.

101

Why? He's just a fat Mutt.

Posted by: Vic
.............
Ok.. so who is left at this point?  Who is conservative enough for you Vic, who could actually win?

102

People donÂ’t pick a president according to their VP pick, but they do figure in the subject of what kind of First Lady weÂ’re going to end up with, if only subconsciously. 

 

Yeah?

103 Jean, to press the metaphor to destruction, nobody thinks the Jaguar is going to vibrate apart when the road gets rough. The point is that Newt can't survive the kind of all-out onslaught that the MSM would surely launch on his character in a general election. We're talking Abu Ghraib-style daily coverage of every woman who's ever felt like Newt looked at her tits too long. Every day, day after day, from the day he's nominated until Election Day. I don't think Newt can survive that.

104 i'm laughing at myself, and really getting tired of defending our candidates, shouldn't they be better than this?

105 So when is Brian Ross going to track down and interview Rielle Hunter and V B
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Oh and Obama's still a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

106 Ok.. so who is left at this point?  Who is conservative enough for you Vic, who could actually win?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2012 11:36 AM (f9c2L)

Obviously you missed the last two threads. Go look at post 9 in the news thread.

107 hell with it. it will just be, abo.

108

#96 i was thinking the same way. You steal from a crook since they cannot go to the police.

Seems that she never learned the rule.

109

The point is that Newt can't survive the kind of all-out onslaught that the MSM would surely launch on his character in a general election. We're talking Abu Ghraib-style daily coverage of every woman who's ever felt like Newt looked at her tits too long. Every day, day after day, from the day he's nominated until Election Day. I don't think Newt can survive that.

Hard to say, but he has handled it very well so far. Not even a stutter, unlike Mitt, who stutters every time somebody askes about Bain.

110 How about we start our own meme fuck it. Unemployed people won't vote for Obama.

111 She seemed jaded.

112 Don't care.

I STILL do not want Newt Gingrich.

113 Mr Gingrich used to kick me and scream at me. He used to make me go outside to evacuate my bowels.

114 Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 20, 2012 11:37 AM (RD7QR)

And Mitt is a Mormon- with all the disinformation available to the MFM there.

The fact that they're lies won't change anything.

Seriously, it's like you think ONLY a ham sandwich can win against Obama- because anything else would be too controversial (and the ham sandwich only wins because we never get the Jewish or Islamic vote anyway).

Like I said while Perry was still in the race: stop thinking about what you're afraid the media will do, and pick your candidate based on the one you think best represents you and your values.

If that happens to be Mitt, fine: but then talk up Mitt's positives, don't try to say that the other guy "can't win" because of crap like this.

115 I STILL do not want Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2012 11:40 AM (piMMO)

I don't either, but he is the lesser of the 4 evils.

116 Beck has been slowly losing it for some time now. He should just turn the show over to Pat and Stu. At least they're funny without being crazy and don't go on and on about what Beck has in store for us while giving no details.

117 Jean, to press the metaphor to destruction, nobody thinks the Jaguar is going to vibrate apart when the road gets rough.

And to press the metaphor further. The current demo derby between the Jag and the rusty F150 is just to entertain the hicks then I guess.

118 Obviously you missed the last two threads. Go look at post 9 in the news thread.

Or hit my blog, where I promoted his epic rant to its own post (cause it deserved it).

119 So when is Brian Ross going to track down and interview Rielle Hunter and V B

Brian Ross? Never heard of him.

120 Prediction for SC Primary....tabulating....tabulating...Shit, it's down to just four and one of them is still freakin' Ron Paul! This might take a second or two...

121 My guess is Newt was pretty happy with the arrangement, being seperated from his wife and fooling around with his mistress. It was only when his 2nd wife returned (for money probably) the SHTF. Come on guys, we've all been there, right? Is it Gingrich's fault his life was a Johnny Lee song?

122 Whether the second wife screwed around with Newt before the third wife screwed around with Newt is irrelevant to me.

Newt still screwed around on two wives.

Oh, and Etta James has passed away. I thought she was long gone.

123 A rusty F150 would be the shit out of a Jag in the demo derby.

124 Speaking of autos, don't forget Speed at noon, Barrett Jackson.

125 Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2012 11:26 AM (FdndL)

Have you seen the current FLOTUS?

126

Remember that 30% of the voting public canÂ’t even name the current Vice President.  They donÂ’t know shit.  The MSM is certainly going to continue hammering the story line of Newt dumping his first wife in the hospital as she lay there dying of cancer, and kicking his second wife to the curb the second she was diagnosed with MS.  All the while, Callista was sucking him off in the parking lot.  Not a pretty sight.

Facts donÂ’t have any place in politics.  Obama is going to lose because the economy sucks and gas is going to be over $4 a gallon.  It doesnÂ’t matter if itÂ’s his fault or not, thatÂ’s the way the majority of the people see it.  As weÂ’ve been drilled to accept here at AoSHQ, once a public image is established, itÂ’s impossible to reverse.  I donÂ’t see how Newt gets around this.

127 Due respect Ace you don't know if it is a bust.  Newt is preaching to the choir and it seems to be working within a narrow audience.  This crap will dog him throughout the campaign and feed into a narrative that Newt can't be trusted. Every time issues of trust and integrity come up he will be dodging these questions. 

His negatives among the general population are already quite high, I wouldn't assume at this point this is "much ado about nothing".  This shit isn't new to us but it will be new to people who aren't political junkies. The Republicans already face a tough situation with women voters, this only makes that worse. 

As I said before, if he gets the nomination and Callista gets more exposure, the fact she was a lying whore is going to bother people.  It fucking bothers me already. Even if we accept that most politicians are lying hypocrites on sexual/marriage issues, which is a helluva thing for us to concede given or supposed stand on morality, people still expect women to be better in that regard. 

Callista is not the woman scorned standing by her man, she was an active participant in the years of lying to Newt's ex.  I don't want her anywhere near the white house.  Michelle Obama looks like an icon of virtue compared to her.  You want that?

128 Since "The State" newspaper's candidate has quit, Huntsman, have they decided to endorse kill anyone else?

Like Ringo said, "they were only foolin' about".

129 Oh, and Etta James has passed away. I thought she was long gone. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2012 11:42 AM (piMMO) --------------------------------------------------------- At Last. /too soon?

130 Did you catch Sununu on with Martha MacCallum this morning?

A face only a pitbull could love.

131 I'm surprised to see Ace perpetuating the myth that he left a cancer struck wife, a persistent lie which was debunked over and over by his daughters. The wife in question never had cancer. She's still alive. SHE NEVER HAD CANCER. I request that Ace update this story to correct the common misconception resulting from media lies that went uncorrected for YEARS. http://okhenderson.com/ 2011/12/10/gingrichs-daughter-here-to-debunk-urban-myth-of-her-parents-divorce/

132 Newt still screwed around on two wives.

Actually, if what the 'Rons are saying (re: them being separated before he started seeing Calitsa) then he screwed around on 1 wife- after his marriage was already on the rocks anyway.  Well, okay, technically both, but the second one is a lot more understandable.

That doesn't make it good or right, but it makes it a whole lot less bad than the MFM would like it to be.

133 joncelli, I'm not concerned Newt will crumble under the heat at all. I want the media to flaggelate themselves to exhaustion now on it. My concern with Newt is that he will a big picture guy, I want him to id his CoS now. Who is going to get things done. Oddly, a great job for Mittens, but there is too much hubris involved.

134 To be ultra fair - it isn't like Marianne Gingrich has MS. She was diagnosed with something that might lead to MS.

135 At Last.

/too soon?

DOH!!!

136 98 Have I mentioned yet that I slept with her? Posted by: Will Folks

I thought that must be so but I am heartened to have your confirmation on this matter.  Have you a periodical, that you have no association with, distributed generally to the masses  perhaps by mail?

137 You'll have to remove the space between the site and rest of URL to make it work sorry

138 A rusty F150 would be the shit out of a Jag in the demo derby.

And nobody would boo when the F150 smashed the Jag at a demo derby.

139

A woman who thought she heard something in her husband's words that might not have been there?

Fuckin' News at 11.

140 Wanna get fired up?  You guys like that here, right?  Newt the new found hero?  Well this will piss you off then:

http://tinyurl.com/8832o34

141 101 I would disqualify Newt on grounds of poor taste in women.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 20, 2012 11:35 AM (niZvt)

I think Newt's first divorce shows a lack of character.

Newt's second shows great character.

24 Also, as far as I understand it, he was separated from her for 6 years, during which time he started seeing Callista.  So he had an existing relationship with Callista when she came back and said let's get back together.

My wife and I discussed this last night, and my wife thinks Marianne is the "homewrecker" twice over.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 20, 2012 11:11 AM (RI0fC)

I've read the same and that the separation was in part because she was cheating on him. In fact, my understanding is that she previously claimed that Gingrich did not suggest an open marriage so much as a sham marriage.  I guess "open marriage" sounds sexier.

Bottom line: I think Marianne is a pretty awful person.  If she thinks he shouldn't be president for political reasons, then she should just say she opposes him for that.  If she thinks he shouldn't be president for personal reasons, then she should keep her mouth shut and be the better person.

142 Also, I know that there are going to be all kinds of attack ads alleging everything under the sun against whoever is the Republican candidate. But, seriously, the Dems are going to go all family values on us? Seriously?

143 Are you guys thinking "open marriage" in a sexual way?  I'm not thinking that way.  I'm thinking that wife #1 and wife #2 dumped him before he dumped them, minus the little formalities.  Cause their investment in him wasn't panning out quite the way they had expected.  I mean a lib was telling me that ol marianne believed that the wealth would come after the public service.  I mean even the dems are a bit put off by that kind of comment as it makes her look a little calculating.  I took it that he's a little cerebrally dense and when he says that callista is willing to share him I don't think he meant in a sexual way, he meant in a share him and his ideas with the world without restriction kind of way.  I could be all wrong and they are doing a terrible job getting this across but I never thought sexual open marriage cause I mean look at the butterball....I mean his brain is sexy but the rest of him is well....not.

144 Actually, if what the 'Rons are saying (re: them being separated before he started seeing Calitsa) then he screwed around on 1 wife- after his marriage was already on the rocks anyway.  Well, okay, technically both, but the second one is a lot more understandable.

Separated and married are synonyms in my mind.

You wanna date? Get a fucking divorce

145 Bitter bitch acting bitter. Film at 11.

146 Callista is not the woman scorned standing by her man, she was an active participant in the years of lying to Newt's ex. I don't want her anywhere near the white house. Michelle Obama looks like an icon of virtue compared to her. You want that?

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 20, 2012 11:44 AM (9zzk+)

You gotta be kidding. Ms. Proud of my country for the first time Michelle? And Hildebeast, the meanist bitch ever to infest the White House is better and more honest too? Bullshit.

147 Did you catch Sununu on with Martha MacCallum this morning? A face only a pitbull could love. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2012 11:44 AM (piMMO) I wouldn't even piss on it

148

MSNBC is bringing up the Callista “question” right now.

149 Callista is not the woman scorned standing by her man, she was an active participant in the years of lying to Newt's ex.

They were separated for six years after she left him.  I think for most people there's the assumption that both are probably dating. 

For all we know Mitt dresses up like a hamster every night and gets off on Japanese pron. 

What we know about Newt now is that as of 2000 he started going to church regularly, has been faithful to his wife, and recommitted to God.  He, too, may dress like a hamster.  I. Don't. Care. 

150 i doubt this will be a bust. too many voters dont look any deeper than what the msm throws out there. and all everyone has been hearing the last few days is "newt wanted an open marriage" whether there is any truth to that or not it will become the narrative.

151 Well time to go Morons. Back later.

152 I'd frost her face like a jelly donut

153 You wanna date? Get a fucking divorce

From a moral standpoint, I agree.  The fact is that most of America doesn't (whether they say they do, or not), and there's just not any political hay to be made here if the actual facts are known.

You tell the average dude on the street that he was cheating on his wife and "offered" her an open marriage, and they'll think something along the lines of "That ain't right."  You tell them, instead, "They were separated and he'd started seeing someone else, but when the wife asked if they could get back together he said, 'Sure, but I'm not leaving my girlfriend'" and they'll think, "Yeah, and?"

It's just not that big an issue- if the facts are known.  What made it so explosive as a headline yesterday was that the facts weren't known.

154

Why do we always get diverted from Romney's problems to the problems of other candidates?

Just when Romney was getting a little scrutiny we decide that Newt's marriage history is the "real issue".

 

 

155 I hate to say it, but I was watching The View the other day and Brian Ross was on.  When he recited the facts surrounding Newt's marital infidelities (as he sees them), the audience gasped.  It is a lefty show, I understand that. However millions of middle of the road broads watch that show and would probably have a similar reaction.  One angry denunciation from Newt does not end this for him.  You guys need to monitor the enemy more, you are living in fantasy land to an extent.

156 I agree, when you lose your childern, I'd say you are a pretty awful person.

They clearly know she is fucking crazy as a loon.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at January 20, 2012 11:49 AM (hXJOG)

 

newt and marianne didnt have any children.

157

Separated and married are synonyms in my mind.

You wanna date? Get a fucking divorce

You want problems to fix? Get a fucking life, and stop worrying about everyone elses.

158

What was your position on Bill Clinton in 1997. 

----

 

Bionic Seahorse, Reverse Cowboy, Asian cowgirl, inverted corndog

 

But mostly it was his position on me...

159

Chris at January 20, 2012 11:51 AM (XGZYX)

 

romney has no problems. but whats your fucking problem dude?? why are you attacking capitalism???!!!

160 @162
Take care, Vic.

161 newt and marianne didnt have any children.

Which shows slightly better judgement on Newt's part than I would have given him credit for...

162 Is Ken Royall a moby? Cause he sure smells fishy.

163 I think it's nuts that we didn't get a choice of the impressive Gov. Mitch Daniels due to his awkward marital separation and remarriage, yet we might end up with THIS!?

164

Character, folks is the most important issue relative to the ex-wifeÂ’s interview.  The pols that lack the character and integrity gene do things like take bribes, fix bids and the like.  What a politician is like when no one is looking is extremely pertinent here.  NewtÂ’s being accused by his ex as someone whoÂ’s arrogant and full of hubris.  This is what we already have in the White House and it sucks.

Posted by: dblwmy at January 20, 2012 11:19 AM (BvTwT)

I agree, he lacks or at least lacked character in these actioons. But she equally lacked character so doesn't get to be a victim here. Newt didn't lie about it to us, nor is he proud of it. He is not vulnerable to any blackmail about it because he ADMITS IT, so check that off. He had a gazillion ethics charges that didn't stick, other than taking and advance on a book deal. (remember Clinton doing that too?)  tells me that his infidelity may not translate across the board to the things of which you worry. If you write him off because of a past that he admits to and don't believe him about his repentence, that is your choice. What we have in the White House is a guy bent on ruining America. Newt has a desire to FIX America.....I'll take that no matter how many women he porked.

165

Why do we always get diverted from Romney's problems to the problems of other candidates?

Just when Romney was getting a little scrutiny we decide that Newt's marriage history is the "real issue".

Because no is going to vote for Romney anyway?

166 i doubt this will be a bust. too many voters dont look any deeper than what the msm throws out there. and all everyone has been hearing the last few days is "newt wanted an open marriage" whether there is any truth to that or not it will become the narrative.

Yeah. I know it's difficult for many to grasp, but the vast majority of Americans do not spend several hours a day on a conservative blog, bitching and debating the minutia of political campaigns.

167 ABC News? Now that's a hot one

168

Bitter bitch acting bitter. Film at 11.

Bitter Bitch Face!

169 They were separated for six years after she left him.  I think for most people there's the assumption that both are probably dating. 

For all we know Mitt dresses up like a hamster every night and gets off on Japanese pron. 

What we know about Newt now is that as of 2000 he started going to church regularly, has been faithful to his wife, and recommitted to God.  He, too, may dress like a hamster.  I. Don't. Care.

First of all, nobody knows they were separated.  Newt's ex specifically said he was sleeping with his current wife in her bed and Newt would call her and tell her she loved him while Callista was lying next to him. That is pretty powerful and most women will believe her.  Why wouldn't they, we KNOW Newt is a serial adulterer and liar.

Secondly, you have no evidence Mitt has anything like this in his background.  When you do, feel free to talk about it then.

YOU might have known all of this about Newt but most people who vote DO NOT.  They don't even start paying attention until a month before the fucking election. 

170 Romney still hasn't convinced me that he will repeal obamacare. 

171 The pols that lack the character and integrity gene do things like take bribes, fix bids and the like.  What a politician is like when no one is looking is extremely pertinent here. 
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*woof, woof* splurrrrrrt

172 First of all, nobody knows they were separated.

Huh? 

She took all the furniture.  She was living elsewhere. 

173 Yeah. I know it's difficult for many to grasp, but the vast majority of Americans do not spend several hours a day on a conservative blog, bitching and debating the minutia of political campaigns.

This is equally true for Mitt Romney, though.  And more people can identify (either through having been there themselves, or having someone close to them who has) with marital troubles than know anything beyond the more absurd and sensational claims about Mormonism.

If you're going to haul out the "The MFM will say..." card, then you've got to apply it to all of our candidates.

174 For all we know Mitt dresses up like a hamster every night and gets off on Japanese pron. Hamster!

175 Name the person who checked the "Denied" box on the Keystone Pipeline request.

1. Newt Gingrich
2. Mitt Romney
3. Marianne Gingrich
4. Brian Ross
5. None of the above
6. All of the above

176 BREAKING NEWS:  Newt Gingrich cheated on his wife a long time ago!

177
Pathetic.

178 It's just not that big an issue- if the facts are known.  What made it so explosive as a headline yesterday was that the facts weren't known.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Has Joined Team Meteor at January 20, 2012 11:51 AM (8y9MW)

They won't be. The media (especially, as Ken Royall points out, the soft media that uniformed voters actually consume) works with caricatures. For many middle-of-the-road voters, they'll have heard the joke about some news story before they've actually heard the story.  They'll never get the facts before they've formed an opinion.

179 I would not even fuck Newt's ex-wife..... I guess Brian Ross got a BJ out of the deal. Newt looks like a smart guy in my book. At least he was only married to one wife at a time.... Ask Romney how many great-great grandmothers he has.....

180 That's it. Try to talk yourself out of mass depression.

181
Newt isn't worth it.

The man is a cad.

182 ABC's Big Interview With The Ex Largely A Bust


Maybe if they included a woman with a large bust it would have done better

183 You want problems to fix? Get a fucking life, and stop worrying about everyone elses.

Oh, that's right. You've been flying at supersonic speed for days in order to immediately attack anyone who doesn't agree with you. Thus, who gives a shit what you have to say.

184 well chop chop mitt...catpiss needs convincing.......jeez we can't convince you to go away...how can you be convinced of anything?

185 Secondly, you have no evidence Mitt has anything like this in his background.  When you do, feel free to talk about it then.

You miss the point. 

It isn't relevant. 


We have people here arguing that Mitt's work experience is "personal" and off limits, but what happened in Newt's marriages over a decade ago are relevant? 

What I know about Newt now is that he is in a stable marriage, he has expressed remorse for what he did, and has recommitted himself to God.  I don't give a rat's ass if he was a cheating husband fifteen years ago. 

186 You can start your research into Mormonism at Utah's Lighthouse Ministry utlm dot org

187 Interesting that nowhere in this report does Brian Ross make the connection that Marianne herself began an adulterous relationship with Gingrich while he was married to his first wife.

Amazing how while listening to a woman complain about a home wrecking temptress, that they fail to note that she, is in fact, a home wrecking temptress.

Like I said all she is doing in my mind, is explaining for Newt in a way he could never do himself, why he had to dump her for #3.

188

Ask Romney how many great-great grandmothers he has.....

Well as the politics of personal destruction, ex-wives, and wives geriatric abortionist ex-boyfriends go, how many grandmas did Mittens have, anyway? How far back you got to go down that family tree to find FLDS?

189 ABC expected big ratings with a sex story about these two lookers?

190 They won't be

If I grant that (and I'm not flat denying it, I'm just more sure of Newts ability to get his message out than most seem to be), you have to grant the same is true of Mitt's Mormonism. 

All that will be "known" about it is a caricature of magic underwear, aspiration to god-hood, and polygamy.  Given the way he won't even defend Bain Capital (specifically) and Capitalism (more generally), I have no faith in his ability to defend himself against those attacks.

I do have at least a little faith that Newt will be able (or at least willing) to defend himself against this kind of thing.

191 If you're going to haul out the "The MFM will say..." card, then you've got to apply it to all of our candidates.
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^This. 

But they won't. 

192

What I know about Newt now is that he is in a stable marriage, he has expressed remorse for what he did, and has recommitted himself to God. I don't give a rat's ass if he was a cheating husband fifteen years ago.

At adultery, he's a piker compared to the leftard darling Slick Willie. A piker.

193 We have people here arguing that Mitt's work experience is "personal" and off limits,

I suppose that anybody can argue anything, but those aren't the arguments I'm hearing against attacks on Mitt.

It's unseemly for Republican candidates to attack Mitt from the left.

194 I hate Luap Nor, and will not vote for him. I don't like Mitt, but I would vote for him and support him. I like Newt, in the "guy I'd like to have a beer with" sort of way, but I wouldn't want to have the task of supporting him. I think Mitt is the least of the evils on offer, and that's the best I can do. It's not a happy situation but it's the situation I'm in.

195 What kind of women takes the furniture, instead of making her ex pay for new stuff.

196 Y'all are hilarious!

197 If you're going to haul out the "The MFM will say..." card, then you've got to apply it to all of our candidates.

I do apply it for everybody.  It then becomes a question of what negatives can be overcome and which ones will be harder to defend. Newt's angry white man act is not going to carry him through the general unscathed. Are we really going to run a combination of Bill Clinton and Spiro Agnew in this bitch? 

Newt's negatives were in the 40's before this shit came out.  When Axelrod gets done with him that goes higher.  He has no defense, the basic facts of the matter are pretty much undisputed. The fact that he trashes the media constantly will mean they will go after him that much harder.

198
One of you political wizards please explain to me what Marianne did wrong and why she deserves to be shit upon?

I'm listening.

199 Ask Romney how many great-great grandmothers he has.....

Same as everybody else, 8.

It's biologically impossible otherwise.

200 drudge has a headline that newt cancelled a campaign appearance due to poor attendance.

Did the Brian Ross hit piece work that fast?

201 Beck just said if Gingrich is the nominee, he won't vote for president or he will go third party.

Posted by: Truman North at January 20, 2012 11:19 AM (I2LwF)

Guess he doesn't think Obama is that bad after all...

202

You can start your research into Mormonism at Utah's Lighthouse Ministry utlm dot org

Or try the Catholic Encylopedia.

203 Most of the comments on this piece strike me as way off base.  Let's walk through the actual history for a minute, shall we? 

Newt had an affair during his first marriage, with a woman he wound up making wife #2.  His first wife had a cancer scare, but did not have cancer.  She, the mother of his two children, has a good relationship with Newt, who has a good relationship with his kids.  When the apocryphal story appeared saying Newt served her divorce papers while she lay in her hospital bed with cancer, Newt acted like a man and sucked it up without responding, because he realized that a response in the media would inflame the situation and hurt his children.  Knowing that the divorce was already painful to them, he swallowed his impulse to fight back for the benefit of the kids. 

Let's stop there for a moment.  If that was the end of the story, and the truth of it came out clearly, no one but the most sanctimonious asshole (who is going to vote for Santorum in the primary and the Republican in the general anyway) is going to look down on Newt for falling out of love with wife #1 and falling in love with the eventual wife #2.  Happens every damn day.  Nothing to see here, move along.  Santorum's current wife "living in sin" for six years with an abortion doctor decades older than her, and leaving him for Rick only because the old guy didn't want any more kids but Rick wanted an orphanage full, is way more interesting to me.

Now, wife #2, after years of marriage, leaves Newt.  On his birthday.  Taking everything with her when she goes except for two pieces of furniture.  And stays away for six years.  During which Newt, remarkably, finds someone else - once again, a woman he would like to spend the rest of his life with - Calista.  The two of them become a couple.  Wife #2, tired of whatever she's been doing for six years, or maybe looking to get back the benefits she sees in being Newt's wife, asks him to take her back.  Some time after that he tells her that he must have Calista in his life.  He is willing to remain married to wife #2 if she wants that, but not if she insists that he stop seeing Calista.

Let's stop here for a minute.  Newt has acted reasonably, and has cut wife #2 a fuck of a lot more slack than most of us ever would have given her.  It is not enough for her, and a divorce follows.  After which, childless and therefore with no continued relationship with Newt, she spends her days plotting and exacting "revenge" on him for whatever wrongs she perceives him to have inflicted on her.

And now to the present.  ABC, CNN and the rest of the Obama blowhards look for a way to make a scandalous story out of this nothing burger.  I think that Newt is already planning to let them run with this for a good long while.  (Hell, if you correct them, they just move on to the next attack.  Why not let them chew on this bone instead?)  When the time is right, he will (himself or through an appropriate proxy) set the record straight in a definitive manner.  These assholes will go down the Dan Rather hole of history, and Newt's appeal to women will trend up from its current level, as sensible women will see that on some levels he has acted with honor and concern for family members.  No, they will not ignore the serial marriages, but they will understand them better and recognize that Newt exercised restraint for the benefit of his kids and, sometimes at least, for his exes.

That is all.

204

People can jump up and down shouting the truth from the rooftops, but itÂ’s not going to change the picture in the minds of the voters.

Newt dumped his suffering wife while she lay on her death bed in the hospital, probably with his girlfriend waiting in the car outside.  Then, after fooling around with a staffer for years getting blown in the parking lot, he tosses out his second wife after she is diagnosed with MS.  Not only that, but the ex finds out that Callista was doing Newt in her bed.  If you donÂ’t think that humping a girlfriend in the wifeÂ’s bed is big deal, go ask a woman.

This is the narrative.  ItÂ’s not going to change.

205 You can start your research into Mormonism at Utah's Lighthouse Ministry utlm dot org

That or you can call the nearest Mormon Temple and they'll be happy to send out a couple of guys to explain it to you.

206 You can start your research into Mormonism at Utah's Lighthouse Ministry

I'm told that actual facts don't matter.  That the American people won't do research.

So which is it: will people actually pay attention and do some research (in which case this is a nothing burger with weak sauce) or will they not, in which case the only thing they'll "know" about Mormonism is that they they believe blacks can't go to heaven, they all wear magic underwear, they think they're gods, and the guys all have multiple wives?

Why do you think they'll spare Mitt?

207 We have people here arguing that Mitt's work experience is "personal" and off limits..  Posted by: Seamus

Really? Where?

208 how many grandmas did Mittens have, anyway?

At least three fewer than Obama.

209 George W. Bush is a helluva nice guy.

Underneath the public image, Reagan could be a nasty SOB.

I know which one I'd rather have as Prez.

210 Obviously the Beck train is free of it's rails.

211 210
One of you political wizards please explain to me what Marianne did wrong and why she deserves to be shit upon?

I'm listening.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2012 12:03 PM (G/zuv)

Petty vindictive bullshit.  Also, I have no sympathy for someone who sleeps with Newt.

212 a three word comment is being flagged as spam for "long run-on sentences."

213

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 20, 2012 12:02 PM (RD7QR)

Amen!  But, but, but... even though the house is on fire, wouldn't you rather argue about whether the fireman on the scene are wholesome, good and perfectly in line with your views? No? Where is your sense decency man?!!

214 I'm laughing my ass off at the media who thought Bubba was just about sex thinking this was about anything other than sex.

And the "wronged wife" is the woman who was screwing him while he was married to wife 1.  If she was surprised by his actions, she is the stupidest second wife alive.

215

So why should we believe that Newt's personal image will kill him in an election while Romney's "Richie Rich" plutocrat squared image won't?

 

216 You can start your research into Mormonism at Utah's Lighthouse Ministry

Yep,  Mitt's a Mormon.  So is Harry Reid.  Barack Obama is into Black Liberation Theology.  I hope religion is a big issue in the campaign.

217 How far back you got to go down that family tree to find FLDS?

Meh. I can't get too upset with the Mormons for their bout with Polygamy. They kind of wrote themselves into a theological corner when they for reasons of promoting family insisted that a woman marry in order to achieve the highest favor with God, without thinking, "Men die, a lot more often then women, we are going to have leftovers, what do we do then?"

eventually they worked that out.

218 Former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford’s ex-wife Jenny Sanford said Thursday that Marianne Gingrich’s claim her then-husband Newt asked for an open marriage calls “into question his character” and will have an impact on Saturday’s primary. Sanford, whose husband cheated on her, said that after hearing Marianne’s bombshell, she won’t vote for the ex-House speaker on Saturday and added that his infidelity will count politically in South Carolina even though voters were already aware of his marital issues. A) Jenny your a moron. These are old allegations and if you had not heard them, shame on you B) There is no "proof" he asked for an open marriage, whatever that is, and it does not really matter.

219 Aha!

It's the words V*ra B*ker themselves that cause the spam flag to go up.

Did Ace set that up?

220 If you donÂ’t think that humping a girlfriend in the wifeÂ’s bed is big deal, go ask a woman

After the wife took the furniture and left? Really?

And for fuck's sake, stop telling women what they think.

221 Rush: rumblings in GOP establishment that there may be a brokered convention...

222 Rush: rumblings in GOP establishment that there may be a brokered convention... Posted by: Will Folks at January 20, 2012 12:09 PM (I2LwF) Now are all you rubes seeing the wisdom of my plan?

223
"We have people here arguing that Mitt's work experience is "personal" and off limits, "

We do? Where is that?

224 Other thread:

"Mitt's attack- unfair though they may have been- were in response to something very provocative that Perry said as a candidate. He opened himself up for a response. Newt's attacks on Mitt were part of his experience in the private sector. One is an attack on a policy statement, the other is more personal. "

225 I completely agree that separated = still married, and that any affairs conducted while separated constitute adultery. However, I'm sorry, I won't fault Newt for this one. For whatever reason, they were separated for 6 years (at her request?), and he wasn't going to not have sex for 6 whole years. Probably, in his mind, his marriage was over (anyone know why they didn't just get a divorce?), so he was starting over. Adultery, yes. But "understandable" (still wrong in my book) and not nearly as awful as it's being made out to be.

226 So why should we believe that Newt's personal image will kill him in an election while Romney's "Richie Rich" plutocrat squared image won't?

So decency has absolutely no place in politics any longer then?

Count me in!

227 hm

228

You don't hear about any woman problems with Obama because:

1. Look at the guy, he is a whinely little knat

2. Because MOOOOOOOOOOOOOCHELE would beat the shit out of his pencil neck

3.  He is not really a ladies type of guy

4.  He could fuck up a wet dream so how do you think he would perform in real life

229
3656 Days left of "The One" and counting down.

FIFY. Leap year.

230 so

231 New Post.

232 235 Rush: rumblings in GOP establishment that there may be a brokered convention...

Posted by: Will Folks at January 20, 2012 12:09 PM (I2LwF)

Rumblings? Then they need to go to lunch. There hasn't been a brokered convention in a century and I can't even think of a mechanism for forcing one.

233 3.  He is not really a ladies type of guy

I dunno. Did you hear him singing an Al Green song yesterday? (immediately after Al Green himself sang!)

234 Marianne did wrong and why she deserves to be shit upon?

She consented to sexual intercourse with a man she knew was married. That immediately destroys all of her credibility when she complains about being cheated on by the exact same guy. Face it, it not like his tendency to wander was an unknown quantity when she married him. Now she wants to come back a decade later and be bitter? What part of "Newt was a cheating bastard" was unclear when he divorced his wife and married you?

235 233 If you donÂ’t think that humping a girlfriend in the wifeÂ’s bed is big deal, go ask a woman

After the wife took the furniture and left? Really?

Honestly, Heather, every guy has had a girlfriend who would do this.  Remember, the wife never ever sleeps on the couch.  It is unlikely that the man is wrong 100% of the time.

236 Marianne did wrong and why she deserves to be shit upon?

It's like listening to some well to doer, who needs that oddball pet so they buy a badger, complain about being bit.

237 O/T - mittens is talking about the economy has gotten better. but its not because of obama. he's just determined to lose that general and he isnt even the nominee yet!

238

AmishDude at January 20, 2012 12:14 PM (T0NGe)

 

your right that there are many many woman who if they were cheating would be happy to screw in the wife's bed, but when the tables are turned they would still be incensed and rant how that crosses the line.

239 I remember lots of us having to ask their parents what a bj was during the Clinton administration and you are talking about infidelity and character among the republicans?

240 This is the narrative.  ItÂ’s not going to change.

Umm.. I don't care. It's still non-substantive. I'm still going to support newt.

241 However, I'm sorry, I won't fault Newt for this one. For whatever reason, they were separated for 6 years (at her request?), and he wasn't going to not have sex for 6 whole years. Probably, in his mind, his marriage was over (anyone know why they didn't just get a divorce?), so he was starting over.

Adultery, yes. But "understandable" (still wrong in my book) and not nearly as awful as it's being made out to be.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 20, 2012 12:10 PM (21lBC)

We don't know if Newt hadn't asked for a divorce.  Now he may have or he may have figured that it was politically better for him to stay married.  I don't know.  I'd read that the separation happened because she cheated on him, but this whole thing is muddy and I follow it.

I'm pretty sure that Calista did not cause the separation.  First divorce, I can pin on Newt and I would hold that against his character.  The second one, I think is a positive.

242 O/T - mittens is talking about the economy has gotten better. but its not because of obama. he's just determined to lose that general and he isnt even the nominee yet!

Mitt is trying to create a narrative in the event the economy continues to improve, meaning it should be better.  If unemployment continues to drop, even if we know it is bullshit, that works against us.  Mitt is saying Obama should be gone either way which I agree with. 

243 wife 2/mistress 1 left him for 6 yrs........if after 5 yrs of living with someone constitutes common law marriage if she's gone for 6 they should be common law divorced.....

244 and for all the griping of how stupid perry and  the rest who didn't get on the va ticket ...how fucking stupid is newt for not filing for divorce?

245 Sorry but FUCK independents. I cannot vote for Mitt. Cant do it. I dont like any of whats left but if I gotta choose one, its gotta be Newt. Dont care about his past marriages either. Lots of people have them and most exes suck and are vindictive. Hes been married to Mrs.Newt for what? 14 years now? Does that count for nothing? My give a shit meters bottomed out on this one.

246 Newt didn't file for divorce because he believes the rules don't apply to him.  He is Newt, the smartest American ever.  That should be obvious by now.  He is self-aggrandizing blowhard who takes credit for everything good that happened in the last 30 years and ignores the fact he was forced out of his job as speaker.

247 239 I completely agree that separated = still married, and that any affairs conducted while separated constitute adultery.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 20, 2012 12:10 PM (21lBC)

So, in your mind its not the vow to God or your own honor which makes the marriage, but a piece of Paper from the State?  A piece of Paper which has a long legal process to get rid of... and which ONE person involved in said contract can drag the process out for YEARS?

So, you believe the STATE should control your Sex Life? By locking you into celibacy while some Lawyers get rich off delaying the process?

Seperated? You're done.... Game on...

248 FUCK independents = we lose.  They will decide the election, as always.  I hate it too but it is what it is.

249

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at January 20, 2012 12:04 PM (jF5A4)

THIS!

One thing I saw that you did not point out that shows through in your Chronology: This EXPLOSIVE, LOOSE CANNON....held back and showed restraint for the good of his family. I think Newt is NOT a loose cannon, but that he picks his battles. As President, I do not think he would POP as Santorum puts it. (I think Santorum would fizzle under pressure.) I think he could beat Ochuckles. I also think he could put some rear into our less than allies and bolster Israel's confidence. A strong front is what we need. Bush disappointed me when his Shock and Aw was less than aw inspiring. We need someone who can put the wood to it when needed and won't just cave for the sake of them likening us, really liking us.

250

Posted by: lowfibass at January 20, 2012 12:20 PM (BrqlK)

One problem with the current GOP meme, that Mitt is good for independents.. is that many independents are LIBERTARIANS... who left the GOP when it became Overtly Statist.

Mitt has no appeal that those voters... IMO, as one...

251 Anyone notice that the "nuts and sluts" defense which we saw used during the Clinton era has resurfaced in defense of Newt?  Anyone the least bit ashamed about this?

I have had enough of soap operas in the White House,  which usually are brought to us by the democrats.

Newt is not dependable and should not be CIC,  where his habit of shooting his mouth off might get us in a war or in some hare-brained alliance we don't want.

I repeat my observations of Newt vs. Bush and Katrina on Fox:

Newt right after Katrina:  President Bush should start a Marshall Plan for the Gulf Coast.  (This means spend tons of federal money.)

Newt 10 months later,  after graft, corruption, thievery and waste are revealed in the Katrina Fund:  This is what happens when the federal government gets involved in disaster aid. It should have been done by the private sector.

In both cases,  the common theme was that "Bush had screwed up" and therefor,  Newt was going to take the popular opinion of the day.

This is not a serious person.  This is an opportunist.  As far as his marital history,  I don't want ANY of them in the White House,  and that includes Newt, Callista, Marianne, first wife, 2 daughters who are dutifully repeating what their father tells them, and anyone else remotely associated with him.

252

Miss Marple at January 20, 2012 12:25 PM (GoIUi)

 

nuts and sluts also surfaced when cain was being accused. the "support anyone with an R by his name" attitude has been taking hold and i really dont like it. it doesnt help and just makes it easier for the dems to win. sure its a double standard but it aint gonna change anytime soon and to act in defiance of it just hurts us.

253 Why would you file for divorce when you have the best of both worlds?  You have your first wife and kids happy with you.  You have your second wife out of your life effectively.  And you have the woman who eventually becomes wife #3 not pressuring you into marrying her.  If you are newt, you are having the time of your life, why make work like a divorce if you don't have to?

254 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2012 12:22 PM (lZBBB) My view on marriage is even more radical than that, if you really want to know. :-) In my view, it's the vow to God and there are only one or two reasons why divorce should ever take place, and not getting along or hating your spouse's guts don't count. I don't necessarily hold others to this, but if I ever get married, I'll hold myself to this standard, Lord willing. I'm probably offending some commenters by this post, but this is my belief. I've never been married, so I don't know what it's like. And I don't judge people for doing what they feel they have to do in a difficult or unbearable situation.

255 Remember that three legged stool Reagan talked about?  If we nominate Newt we can snap the family values leg off and throw it away.  It means nothing if we are willing to accept this charlatan. 

Forget DOMA, forget gay marriage, we lose the argument because our standard bearer is an immoral piece of shit.  If you folks think seeing Newt throw out some one-liners at Obama during the debate is worth that only to lose the election anyway, then go ahead and support him.

How can Newt Gingrich ever say "marriage is between one man and one women" ever again?  He won't because he knows what some lib reporter is going to say next.

256 So, in your mind its not the vow to God or your own honor which makes the marriage, but a piece of Paper from the State?

The marriage is a contract and part of the contract is the piece of Paper from the State.  Supposed to be forever and all that.  A Christian is not supposed to get divorced at all if you want to go down that road.

257 Let me get this straight ... When Bill Clinton was banging a fat chick on the Resolute desk, a politician's sex life was none of my business. Now I'm supposed to get my panties in a twist because Gingrich wanted some on the side. Wake me when we find out Newt lied about it under oath.*

*For the record, this is the moment I was transformed from bleeding heart liberal to right wing nut job. Not since Ananias laid hands on the Apostle Paul has a conversion been as sudden and absolute.

258 This is not a serious person.  This is an opportunist.

This, I agree with.

As far as his marital history,  I don't want ANY of them in the White House,  and that includes Newt, Callista, Marianne, first wife, 2 daughters who are dutifully repeating what their father tells them, and anyone else remotely associated with him.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 20, 2012 12:25 PM (GoIUi)

We all have faults, I don't blame the others, but especially his daughters.  They are not touting a party line but pushing back against the caricature.

259 @231
No one has ever accused Newt Gingrich of hiking the Appalachian Trail.

260 JFK, LBJ, Clinton.  Of four Democrat Presidents since the '60's, only one of them Carter, is not known to have had an affair.  The other three were know to have conducted multiple affairs during their marriages. But none of those three divorced their wives or married their mistresses, so I guess the Democrats win the debate again, huh?

261 In my view, it's the vow to God and there are only one or two reasons why divorce should ever take place, and not getting along or hating your spouse's guts don't count.

I don't necessarily hold others to this, but if I ever get married, I'll hold myself to this standard, Lord willing.

I'm probably offending some commenters by this post, but this is my belief. I've never been married, so I don't know what it's like. And I don't judge people for doing what they feel they have to do in a difficult or unbearable situation.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 20, 2012 12:32 PM (21lBC)

I agree totally. But being a vow to God means something between your God and you and the one included in the vow....he has broken that vow and claims he has sought forgiveness for that.....that same God tells us he is a forgiver....are we, therefore, held to never forgive because he could not live up to something he clearly did not hold in high enough regard when he made it? Furthermore, it is #2 that left the marriage....deserted it. Bible says, it is not good for man to be alone. Says to remarry after death of spouse. Also says desertion grounds for divorce.  Additionally, if married to a non believer, divorce is sanctioned.

262 nuts and sluts also surfaced when cain was being accused.

I think there is a difference between "nuts and sluts" and dealing with individual accusers based on their merits and conflicts of interest.

"Nuts and sluts" was a deliberate Carvillian strategy to tar EVERY accuser of Clinton with the same brush.

An accuser's credibility has to be taken into account because otherwise, anyone can accuse anyone of anything.

263 #274  Newt doesn't hike the Appalachian Trail. 

He holds "seminars."

He's too fat for hiking to be a reasonable alibi.

264 We need as President someone who is committed to changing the direction of our federal government and the experience to know how to do it.  What is so hard about that, folks?  We don't need someone who "looks Presidential" or who can proudly point to decades of marriage to the same spouse, or any of that other marginally interesting but basically irrelevant stuff.   A lot of you would have rejected Winston Churchill based on his immoral character if you had the chance.  Doesn't that give you pause at least?

265

Remember that three legged stool Reagan talked about? If we nominate Newt we can snap the family values leg off and throw it away. It means nothing if we are willing to accept this charlatan.

Legs are getting snappned no matter who you nominate.

266 #273  Well,  I won't blame the first wife,  who apparently went off to live a quiet life and teach math.

Marianne I do not want to hear from again, nor Callista.

The two daughters are old enough to know that they are being used (How could they POSSIBLY know what conversations took place between Newt and Marianne?) and cannot help but think they were looking forward to being presidential daughters.  However,  I will ease up on that portion.

I was always grateful to the two younger Reagan children that they pretty much stayed away from the White House and didn't drag all of their oddball Hollywood friends into public view.  Obviously part of this was due to their estrangement from their father based on political views,  but at least everyone stayed off my television.  After the White House years was,  of course,  a different story.

267

One problem with the current GOP meme, that Mitt is good for independents.. is that many independents are LIBERTARIANS... who left the GOP when it became Overtly Statist.

It's OK, they don't want the racists to come back anyway. Good riddance!

268 It would be nice if the author would research a little before repeating leftist lies about Newt. Newt and I have history. I lived in his Congressional district. He and I both attended Tulane and Emory. He and I are both twice divorced. Newt was born Newt McPherson to a 16 year old mother, whose marriage to her 19 y.o. husband lasted a few days. When he was about 4 y.o., Newt's mother remarried, an Army soldier named Gingrich, who adopted Newt. Newt's earliest marriage experience was his parent's, and being abandoned by his father. Then there was Newt's first wife. He was 16 and she was his high school geometry teacher. Today, she would be put in prison and described as a child molester. Newt would have had intensive therapy. They married when she was 26 and he 19. When their 18 year marriage ended, she didn't have "cancer", she had a benign tumor removed. And the "divorce papers delivered on her death bed" lie has been thoroughly debunked by their daughters. His second marriage was a political union, which had a 6 year separation (who does that?), only to reunite for a campaign. Marianne Gingrich was an opportunist, hitching her political aspirations to Newt. Now, she is a bitter, frustrated opportunist who sees another woman sitting in the political catbird's seat she slutted so hard to get. Wife number three makes really scary photos, zombie eyes and all. I suspect she is also a predator, a maneater, like his previous two wives. I also suspect Newt was especially vulnerable to such women. For some of us men, we discover our weaknesses and overcome them late in life, or not.

269 The current prez can point to decades of marriage and lok what he did to us. And you younger folk who will outlive me? Better figure out what your going to do when the HOOK UP generation starts running for office. People do stupid stuff and we used to never know about it because there was shame involved by the participants. Don't think that Newt has the corner on the multiple marriage/affair market. Saint Kennedy was pretty good at it. But people simply whispered. I don't like it, but I HATE thinking of 4 years more with bumblefuckadoodoo. So all of you who want to stand on principle do that and you will see a level of immorality that you couldn't imagin during term 2. Also, consider that you are singing a one note song. He was a CAD. But he is a CAD who loves America.....

270 #279  Please read my #266.  I do not really care about all of this except that it is a distraction.  What I DO care about is that Newt is NOT DEPENDABLE and will change on a dime. 

His favorite president is Franklin Roosevelt.  Until very recently he believed in global warming,  a la the Pelosi couch moment.  He undercut Paul Ryan's budget plan as "conservative social engineering" which,  by the way,  he is NOT adverse to when it is HIS idea,  such as having poor children learn to work in schools.

Winston Churchill was not thrice-married.  He drank and smoked cigars and sometimes cussed.  Big whoop./  And let me tell you this,  I am old enough to remember Winston Churchill's retirement years and interviews,  and Newt is NO Winston Churchill!

271 Hey Miss Marple...you must have some USE issues. You have NO idea that his daughters are being used. That is your conclusion based on no evidence. If they are anything like their father, and I suspect they are, they wouldn't lift a finger they did not want to lift. Of course, mine is conjecture based on very little as well. But your beating of this poor daugters being used drum is pretty stupid.

272 #286 I already said I would drop it.  I am not the one dragging them into the conversation,  however.

NEWT was the one who did that.

And whatever issues I do  have are immaterial.  I don't think being used is one, but I suppose there could be something buried in my deep subconscious.

273 @276. Completely agree. In my (Christian) view, a divorce would have been completely justified in the case of wife #2 since she left him. And wife #1 was within her rights to ask for a divorce because he cheated on her. It would just have been nice if he had just divorced wife #2. Wife #1 was the actual wronged one. Apparently, she's classy and not bitter and wants her privacy so isn't getting into the fray.

274 I think she's dead...

275

Hmmm. Nope, still alive apparently.

Kinda puts a crimp in those "divorced her on her deathbed" rumors eh?

276 Chick apparently didn't even die, yet he divorced her while she was dying of cancer.

277 JFK, LBJ, Clinton.  Of four Democrat Presidents since the '60's, only one of them Carter, is not known to have had an affair.

LOL. Add another failure to the Carter list. He did admit to 'lusting in his heart', I remember. So he got the guilt but without getting the nookie first.

278 I completely agree that separated = still married, and that any affairs conducted while separated constitute adultery.

And I would agree, also - except for the clause in most separation agreements (including mine) that says "...living apart as if unmarried". That means, in the eyes of the law at least, what you do after you're separated is your business and only your business. Biblically, a totally different set of standards apply, but for purposes of proving/disproving behavior during a separation, there it is.

279 Wife #1 was the actual wronged one. Apparently, she's classy and not bitter and wants her privacy so isn't getting into the fray.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 20, 2012 01:02 PM (21lBC)

And she's also older than Methuselah and doesn't remember much about the whole thing. Kidding, I'm kidding.

Seriously, if Marianne had been Newt's first wife, she might have a tad more credibility with me. But, apparently, Newt's lack of a "moral compass" didn't bother her in the least when she was the one doing the freak nasty with a married man. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, especially a woman who's being traded in for a newer model, after once actually being the newer model being traded in for.

Future reference, Marianne...if a man will cheat with you, he'll damn sure cheat on you.

280 235 Rush: rumblings in GOP establishment that there may be a brokered convention...

The only way this doesn't end in disaster is if it is used to block a Luap Nop nomination.

IIRC, the last smoke-filled room nomination for Republicans was of Warren G. Harding in the 20s.

281   291 Chick apparently didn't even die, yet he divorced her while she was dying of cancer.

Posted by: Entropy at January 20, 2012 01:09 PM (mf67L)

She had a BENIGN TUMOR. that is a SCARE not actual cancer. She was Never dying.

282

No, giftogab, I will not listen to your atrociously racist talking points.

She died of a broken heart because Gingrich dumped her in her moment of need. She is dead now. I don't care if that's her, right over there, talking and doing shit. She is dead.

Actually though, I really had assumed she was dead. I would not have figgured the smears would be that outrageously fictional.

283 @288,289,291 Wife #1 was an adult high school geometry teacher who was a sexual predator and a criminal, having seduced a 16 year old Newt, and maintained an illegal relationship till he reached adulthood. When Newt was 19, they married, and she immediately became pregnant. She did not have cancer when they were divorcing, and she is not dying of cancer. She has kept her mouth shut, probably because she doesn't want to answer questions about the high school years. Wife #1 deserved prison time, and Newt deserved a normal childhood and sexual development. What followed in Newt's life is understandable and forgivable, and maybe even inevitable.

284 297

No, giftogab, I will not listen to your atrociously racist talking points.

She died of a broken heart because Gingrich dumped her in her moment of need. She is dead now. I don't care if that's her, right over there, talking and doing shit. She is dead.

Actually though, I really had assumed she was dead. I would not have figgured the smears would be that outrageously fictional.

Posted by: Entropy at January 20, 2012 01:39 PM (mf67L)

Aint THAT the truth!

285 >>>Wife number three makes really scary photos, zombie eyes and all. I suspect she is also a predator, a maneater, like his previous two wives. I also suspect Newt was especially vulnerable to such women. For some of us men, we discover our weaknesses and overcome them late in life, or not.

Great, let's put them in the White House!

286 Jeff B., God save us, please!

287 210 One of you political wizards please explain to me what Marianne did wrong and why she deserves to be shit upon? Easy. She's been going around for years claiming that she was "Newt's closest friend and advisor" and was "shocked" by his affair with Callista, when in fact she left him in 1987 and stayed away for six years. She also claims that he decided to divorce her after she was diagnosed with MS when she doesn't have MS. I could go on....

288 210 Marianne has made herself a national joke by seeking victimhood, like a good leftist, for being in a stew of her own making. She has, with evil intentions, displayed her shame, humiliation, and sins, seeking sainthood for herself and demonhood for Newt; you can't throw monkey poo without getting it on your hands. She has added nothing, but consumed much oxygen. As the old adage goes, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. Marianne and her personal problems are irrelevant to the presidential primary, but make great headlines to read at the grocery checkout, and are a diversion for the Democrats.

289 Great comments, twolanefish. Maybe we should start talking up a (true) narrative about Newt's amazing rise from adopted Army brat to Speaker of the House. That as a child of divorce who married his teacher/molester, it should be no surprise that it took him so long to settle into a good marriage. We could talk about his undoubted devotion to his bi-polar mother. Maybe we could also cut Callista some slack. I've read that she's a very nice and intelligent person. There is a huge difference between someone who breaks up a marriage, and someone who helps an abandoned spouse put back the pieces. Remember-- Marianne and Newt did not agree on a separation--- she unilaterally called him on his birthday, said she was leaving, and emptied out the house.

290 As a woman, let me add that I don't give a flying fuck who Newt  marries/divorces. I want a candidate who will take it to Obama and Romney can't even explain Romney.  He's from the same milquetoast GOP club as GHW Bush, Dole, Ford and McCain. Maybe nice guys 'n all but losers.

We must have a candidate who is willing to go to the mattresses or we lose and we cannot afford to lose this election.

291 #283 wrote His second marriage was a political union, which had a 6 year separation (who does that?), only to reunite for a campaign. Marianne Gingrich was an opportunist, hitching her political aspirations to Newt. Now, she is a bitter, frustrated opportunist who sees another woman sitting in the political catbird's seat she slutted so hard to get.

I'd like to add that Marianne married Newt in 1981 when his political star was rising.  The divorce was in 2000 when he was at his nadir.  If Callista is a gold digger she married him in 2000 when the claim looked like it was totally played out.  Could it be she is actually in love with the fool?