1 Oy!  Murder 2?  Such a shonda!

2 #JusticeForGeorge

3 if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

LOL.  That train left the station a long time ago.  Dershowitz works at Harvard, which churns out people specifically trained to act unethically, unlawfully and unprofessionally.  But at least Harvard keeps a close tab on skin tints.  That's what academia is all about, of course.

4 That fat "lady" ain't singin.
She's coming over with a six-pack of Natie Light.
Again.

5 if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

  She had all this information but she chose to charge him anyway. There is no way she will back down now...

6 That's a big fucking IF.

7 After that freak show press conference, I don't expect her to act ethically either. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Governor Scott. Great work, pal.


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I'm not throwing Governor Scott under the bus for this. Corey had a reputation for being very tough on crime. Appointing her meant that if no or minimal charges were filed, nobody would be able to claim she's soft on crime.

He could not have known that she would go rogue.

Yet... I will be writing to Governor Scott to express my feelings and to inform him that if/when this case goes tits up, his response will make all the difference in whether I vote for him, or actively campaign against him next time.

8 Oh, and the accompanying photo is genius. Yesterday, someone here suggested she was Ursula from the Little Mermaid which was also a pretty apt description.

http://bit.ly/SaGDY

9 if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally. She hasn't shown those tendencies so far. Why change? Maybe only to blame the 'vast right-wing conspiracy'.

10 if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

...then she needs to resign.

That disgraceful performance during her press conference - the smiling, the crap about praying with the expired thug's parents - disqualifies her from any profession other than the world's oldest one.

11 Angela says TrayDin will not be D-9'ed justice.

12 Shout out to Governor Scott. Great work, pal.


He was a Tea Party candidate, no?  Maybe TP candidates with "Scott" in their names always will disappoint us. 

13 I am confused.  In her brief to the judge seeking the indictment, she included no exculpatory evidence at all?  Nothing about Zimmerman's injuries?  To me this seems so unethical as she could face disbarment.

One thing you can count on from Liberals and why we will always defeat them in the end.  They NEVER learn from their mistakes.  This is because they are hyper-arrogant and cannot conceive of being wrong about anything.  This prosecutor apparently learned NOTHING from the Duke Rape Case.

That leads me to a truism:

"The person who thinks they are the smartest ones in the room rarely are."

14 So when the case gets thrown out, which it will, Zimmerman should publicly ask the scrunt, "Where do I go to get my life back?

15 NDH, that's about the right attitude to have, IMO.

"Tough on crime" + "attention whore" + "authoritarian audience" = "Nancy Grace". A more experienced Right politician would have seen this coming. Scott's generally done pretty well, from what I've seen, but he did make a little mistake here. There's not much he can do about this now, except to keep a lid on the ongoing anti-white violence in his state.

16

A quote that is bandied about here is one from Friedman (paraphrasing):

We need to create the political conditions when even the wrong people will have to do the right thing.

 

 

Consider this situation and others like it.  It is more like the reverse; the political situation has been created where no one knows the difference between right and wrong, the Constitution is stood on its head, and everyone in office is a grasping and greedy opportunist, out for themselves and their career first, last and always.  We are  and will continued to be screwed by the government and the people in it.

 

As others more knowledgeable have said, Angela Corey was supposed to be this super - tough State attorney, who would bow to no pressure.

 

Ha.

She caved as soon as this case was dropped into her lap.

17 That's "future millionaire George Zimmerman."

18 How would Gov Scott have known she would act this way?

19 Being nuts is not a crime!!!

20 {i}He was a Tea Party candidate, no? Maybe TP candidates with "Scott" in their names always will disappoint us.


Unless they have "Walker" appended to it.

21 What is the alligator picture of or from?

22 How would Gov Scott have known she would act this way?

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 19, 2012 12:42 PM (DGIjM)

He should've kept the regular prosecutor in place.

23 I notice that MSNBC seems to have dropped its obsession with Zimmerman ever since it came out his Mom is as black as Obama is...

Heartache.

24 Anyone know what the next step is?  Is the trial assured at this point if the prosecutor doesn't drop the charges, or might the court still have an opportunity to toss it out (with/without prejudice)?

25

I would not be too quick to think George Zimmerman is going to come out of this travesty with any money because of libel, wrongful prosecution, prosecutorial misconduct, etc.

 

Because he will have to be alive to do this. If he is acquitted and released from jail to be a "free man" again, I would not think he has too long a life expectancy unless he can hire several permanent body guards and moves out of Florida immediately.  They are going to come after him.

26 Even more evidence that Angela Corey has stepped on her "lady parts" in the probable cause affidavit. The evidence is mounting that she should be fired and possibly disbarred.

http://is.gd/ppT8PN


From yesterday

27 He should've kept the regular prosecutor in place. Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2012 12:44 PM (wRZGi) Yeah, thats true.

28 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at May 19, 2012 12:41 PM (sJTmU)

If Mike Nifong were sitting in jail, right now, as he should be, I would bet that this bint would have thought twice before bringing these bullshit charges, hiding the exculpatory evidence, and trying to railroad Zimmerman to please the mob.  She likely would have declined to put herself in jeopardy and let the despicable shitheads in the DOJ come and bring a bullshit federal civil rights case.

We are going to see the same shit (and much, much worse) if Barky is finally voted out but not pursued, prosecuted and jailed.

29 That press conference was indeed creepy right from the start when that weird grin of hers appeared and she started talking about the sweet, sweet parents of Trayvon and how they were there for Trayvon and on and on, it was like watching the Twilight Zone if the Twilight Zone were a corrupt banana republic.

30 I'm not throwing Governor Scott under the bus for this. Corey had a reputation for being very tough on crime. Appointing her meant that if no or minimal charges were filed, nobody would be able to claim she's soft on crime. He could not have known that she would go rogue. Yet... I will be writing to Governor Scott to express my feelings and to inform him that if/when this case goes tits up, his response will make all the difference in whether I vote for him, or actively campaign against him next time. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 12:34 PM (piMMO) ^^ This. I'm a Florida native. Born and raised in Jacksonville and most of my family still lives there. In fact, my parents and the majority of my dad's family actually live in her jurisdiction. They all know Corey through various police functions (the grandparents are very active in the police benevolence org. in Jax) and every last one of them were convinced Scott had made the best decision possible. Obviously not, but hindsight is always 20-20. My parents are genuinely shocked at all this. I was just talking to mom last night and she just could not understand how we ended up here. My dad's family is convinced there has to be some additional evidence that's been held back that is damning for Zimmerman because they can't believe Corey would have charged him otherwise. So, yeah, I give Governor Scott the benefit of the doubt. But I hope when this all shakes out, if things are as they appear right now, that Corey is given the Nifong treatment and Governor Scott will be receiving a letter from me as well.

31

Corey's actions are pretty   transparent to anybody with  two functioning  neurons to rub together. There was no reason to have   her come  come riding into town to save the day. It speaks more to the weakness of Gov. Scott and the authorities that were genuinely afraid of race riots down here, the pussies. All they did was give a green light to Not-so-Sharpton and Jacks-sunh to continue their race-baiting and inflaming a case  that was already settled. This could have been nipped in the bud, had Scott had any cojones.

 

What should have happened was that Scott should have stated that this case  had already been investigated to the satisfaction of Sanford, Seminole County and the State of Florida. He then should've sworn out arrest warrants to the NBPP for their bounty on Z, stating that no type of  "vigilante justice" will be tolerated and say he  was prepared to  call up the National Guard to supress any riots. It is, after all, his duty and responsibility to the citizens to enforce the law. All the time.

 

And you just know that the respective investigators and prosecutors' offices who did the initial legwork cannot, in any measure, be happy with Corey.

32 30 That press conference was indeed creepy right from the start when that weird grin of hers appeared and she started talking about the sweet, sweet parents of Trayvon and how they were there for Trayvon and on and on, it was like watching the Twilight Zone if the Twilight Zone were a corrupt banana republic.

Posted by: booger at May 19, 2012 12:50 PM (HI6wa)

Would I come across as harsh if I said that Trayvon's parents should be ashamed of the job they did raising that punk?  Suspected of stealing, ended up shot to death in the act of beating someone.  If I was the father, I'd hang my head low.

But of course... In our society, the simple decency of public shame is something that went out with the Jerry Springer Show.

33

Over at Volokh, I recall (but could be misremembering location) a discussion that Corey was an expert in Self-defense law and cases (having worked on a few). So there was a deep breath when she took over because at least a few people thought she would restore some sanity to this.

Cleary she went off her rocker.  (Zombie Nietzsche is proud of her use of the power of the bully pulpit.)  I'm not sure many people expected that.  (I did at some level.  I had hoped she'd act honorably.)

34 21 What is the alligator picture of or from? Posted by: t-bird at May 19, 2012 12:43 PM (FcR7P) I believe that's from All Dogs Go to Heaven. And don't laugh at me. I have kids.

35 >>>We are going to see the same shit (and much, much worse) if Barky is finally voted out but not pursued, prosecuted and jailed.

Well I know I'm on pins and needles in anticipation of Barack Obama Lightworker, a smashing new rock opera conjured up by the Impresario Himself, Andrew Lloyd Webber, - about the last week of Obama's presidency, beginning with the preparation for the arrival of Willard and his disciples in the beltway, and ending with a bunker suicide.

36 I figured it out. Paul Sorvino. That's who she looks like. Paul Sorvino ain't a bad looking man, but as a woman? Egad.

37 Maybe Gov Scott used this opportunity to rid himself of Ms. Corey and save his regular prosecutor. I would have.

38

I believe that's from All Dogs Go to Heaven. And don't laugh at me. I have kids.

 

My wonderful neighbor's dog ain't going to heaven.

 

Just thought I'd put that out there.

39

The consensus view on the Left and the Racial Grievance Community is that (1) Zimmerman is a pathetic homo who lost a fight to a teenager, LOL, and (2) should have waited until he was unconscious before pulling a gun.

 

An actual opening of the skull would mitigate their absolute certainty that Zimmerman  executed a 12 year old cherub. Brains. Braaaaains.

40 Why is the shooting of a local dope head by a community watch guy become news A MONTH after it happened?

I smell Blackfoot Barry's Boy's behind this distraction. Gin up the base at all costs, and the MSM will help if they can.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at May 19, 2012 12:51 PM (hXJOG)

THAT is the real story here for somebody to explicate after the legal system plays out.  It's pretty obvious to me that the lazy turds in the MFM thought they had some hook nosed bastard with divided loyalties when they saw the name "Zimmerman" and as usual couldn't be bothered to examine the facts after that.  The use of the term "white Hispanic" was a good signal that they fucked up in examining what they were dealing with and were covering their fat asses.  Paying off the beandips in La Raza to keep their guacamole holes shut just like they did with Fast and Furious was the next step.  Anybody that thinks those journolist cocksuckers have disbanded after they were caught, please raise your hands.  Anybody?

41

Corey was supposed to look at all the facts and proceed according to the facts in case.  By choosing a "side" in the case, she has not only disqualified herself as an impartial member of the court, she has the blood on her hands of all the people who are going to be victims on racial violence in the next however many months this will drag on.

 

How many incidents have we already seen of black-on-white violence, where the offenders have shouted "This is for TrayVon!"  This is going to be a long, hot summer and it will be hotter still because of Angela Corey.

 

42 There was no reason to have her [Corey] come come riding into town to save the day. It speaks more to the weakness of Gov. Scott

No, follow Vic's link. Corey has stumbled and giggled her way through this whole thing from start to finish. She hasn't behaved like a professional.

Even if Scott has been weak and bumbling himself, and I agree with you that he has (NDH, again, has the perfect take on what to do about Scott) - Corey is still the one who has been acting contrary to her duties, and the one most to blame for the mess.

43 42 My wonderful neighbor's dog ain't going to heaven.

Chocolate. Exlax.

Just thought I'd put that out there.

44 ( for the 99th time )


Trayvonns' parents get paid


'stand your ground' gets attacked


People of Much Color get more likely to vote for O in Nov


---it ain't rocket science---

45 disqualifies her from any profession other than the world's oldest one.

Farming?

46 But tell us how you really feel, Captain Hate

47 If only Pharaoh had let the Jews freely leave Egypt, poor, shiny, innocent Trayvon would still be alive to smoke another J.

48 So...why aren't we starting to see an effort on the part of Republicans in FL to end this farce?

This isn't just a clear case of self-defense on GZ's part - this is a text book example of how localities should be dealing with would be criminals, and were it handled as a model by the government instead of a crime would be a powerful example to the thug class that actions have consequences.

Again, consider;

1) A drugged out violent teenager with a history of theft is seen acting suspiciously in a neighborhood with a burglary problem.

2) The neighbor watch follows him and alerts the police.

3) The thug assaults the citizen watching him and attempts to murder him.

4) Thanks to being armed the citizen is able to stop the thug cold. Literally.

Oh, and the rash of burglaries in GZ's neighborhood...have they stopped since Trayvon's death?

49

I could be totally wrong, but I thought that there could not be a civil suit against him unless criminal charges were filed.

 

Therefore, even if the charges were dropped, Corey had still helped Martin's parents out by filing them.

 

I hope someone can confirm or deny this. And explain if there's some way the charges could be expunged so that he can't be sued...

50 Farming?
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Actually hunting and gathering would be older.

51

Trayvon's parents were, I'm sure, shocked and saddened by his death, but perhaps not surprised. Hence the delay in GZ's arrest (until Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton got involved).

52 Posted by: Mama AJ at May 19, 2012 01:02 PM (XdlcF) I believe that is the case. I know that unless charges are filed they cannot bring a civil case. I *think* that they can still sue if the charges are thrown out.

53

Reinforce your doors and windows, arm yourselves, stay in contact with your neighbors, employ situational awareness on the street. It's coming.

 

 

 

54 All Dogs Go to Heaven. And don't laugh at me. I can't because I still have no idea what it is. But at least I can look it up now. Thanks.

55 Trayvon's parents were, I'm sure, shocked and saddened by his death, but perhaps not surprised.

Shocked, saddened and terribly inconvenienced, at least until the merchandising possibilities surfaced.

56 "Insanity is doing the same thing again and again expecting that the results will be different" Approximate quotation. Credited to Einstein, Ben Franklin, John Dryden, probably others.

The point is that Libs have a way of graduating at the top of the class from the best schools, so they really can't be stupid. Maybe it is insanity. Why else would they keep pushing programs and ideas that never work?

Obama might be an exception. He might just be stupid.

57

They're coming.

 

http://tinyurl.com/cponxt5

58 54 Farming? *** Actually hunting and gathering would be older. Posted by: Mr Pedantic at May 19, 2012 01:03 PM (3aXbg) Making fire and grunting at the moon.

59 So...why aren't we starting to see an effort on the part of Republicans in FL to end this farce?

Fear.  And they know that if they try and stick up for the truth and the rule of law that the GOP leadershit and all the "moderates" will come down on them like a ton of bricks.

Marco is too busy trying to save or create Constitutional rights for illegals.

60 Hey, you guys! Stop mocking Bill Maher's son!
(See the sock.)

61 Farming? We've only been farming for 10,000 years. Cave paintings reveal a complex and diverse sex trade going on in the Stone Age.

62 Shocked, saddened and terribly inconvenienced, at least until the merchandising possibilities surfaced. Posted by: Cicero at May 19, 2012 01:06 PM (qhHI4) Nothing says grief like trademarking you loved ones name.

63 Well, because then the issue becomes "Republicans tampering with the judicial process" instead of about the merits (or substantial lack thereof) of the case itself.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 19, 2012 01:03 PM (7FadD)

Yes there is no upside in meddling in this abomination of a case no matter what a rational person might think of it.  The Dersh has already kicked some major ass so it would probably be better to continue to let him carry the water; interviewed by Megyn of course.

64
With all this stuff coming out in this week's news I'm glad some coblogger finally posted a thread about Zimmerman.

65

Even if Scott has been weak and bumbling himself, and I agree with you that he has (NDH, again, has the perfect take on what to do about Scott) - Corey is still the one who has been acting contrary to her duties, and the one most to blame for the mess.

 

IMO, all this could have been avoided. That Corey is  being  shown as incompetent and bumbling  (because she is) merely adds   to the purposeful confusion that has characterized this case. 

 

I pity the low-info voters  to whom this   serves as an introduction to our criminal justice system. This is a classic case of how not to do it.

 

 

66 Who dredged this case up after several weeks' time? That is a key question. The police believed Zimmerman and let him go free the very night of the shooting.

67 59 All Dogs Go to Heaven. And don't laugh at me. I can't because I still have no idea what it is. But at least I can look it up now. Thanks. Posted by: t-bird at May 19, 2012 01:05 PM (FcR7P) It's a cartoon movie from the late eighties (or maybe early nineties), has Dom Delouise doing a voice of one of the dogs. Basically it's about a dog that's a shady character and he gets another chance to do good before he dies so that he can goto heaven. Like I said, I have kids. No laughing.

68 NCAA Lacrosse tourney on ESPN right now: Maryland 6-2 over John Hopkins(#2) at the half. Huge upset if Maryland wins. Later Denver vs Loyola(#1) Great games to watch. fun sport for your kids. check it out.

69 Well, because then the issue becomes "Republicans tampering with the judicial process" instead of about the merits (or substantial lack thereof) of the case itself.
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The problem is that fear of the State Media narrative consistently paralyzes conservatives from doing what is right.

Based on the available evidence, is a Murder 2 charge justified? If no, and it is pretty clear the answer is no, those in elective office should be attempting to defend the integrity of the justice system by dealing with the rogue prosecutor.

And this isn't an idle concern - we've see a number of similar cases recently;

Steven Hatfill
Scotter Libby
The Duke Lacrosse team
and on and on...

One would think in FL especially that Janet Reno and her crusade against "Satanic Child Abuse" would be a powerful reminder of how much damage a rogue prosecutor can do...

Is there a recall function in FL?

70

The Ass Press today mentions how Trayvon told his girlfriend over the phone (she says) that Zimmerman looked "crazy and creepy".

Yeah, that tears it!  Finally the key detail comes out.

/s

71 Why else would they keep pushing programs and ideas that never work?
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You are presuming their motivation is to put in place programs and ideas that work for the greater good of society.

A far simpler explanation is they see their current policies as a tool to gain power. And they are right in that.

Liberals have but one principle - that which empowers liberals is good, that which weakens them is bad.

72 Is there a recall overcharged function in FL?

Posted by: Mr Pedantic at May 19, 2012 01:11 PM (3aXbg)

Yes.

73 The Ass Press today mentions how Trayvon told his girlfriend over the phone (she says) that Zimmerman looked "crazy and creepy".
Yeah, that tears it! Finally the key detail comes out.


*****

Yeah, well she also said she could hear "the grass" too.

74

 

Could Zimmerman still be convicted of manslaughter...if the Murder 2 charge doesn't stick? ....I mean, can the jury drop back to manslaughter, if they don't think it was murder?

75 BTW, I'm new on here, after having read both the posts *and* the comments for 4 years. You morons are hilarious!

76
NCAA Lacrosse tourney on ESPN right now:

Maryland 6-2 over John Hopkins(#2) at the half.

Huge upset if Maryland wins.

Only racist rapists are interested in lacrosse.

77 I pity the low-info voters to whom this serves as an introduction to our criminal justice system. This is a classic case of how not to do it.
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It is interesting to consider what America would look like were the whole voter base highly informed. You can certainly see why the left puts such a premium on producing ignorant and easily distracted citizens.

78 I pity the low-info voters to whom this serves as an introduction to our criminal justice system. This is a classic case of how not to do it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at May 19, 2012 01:09 PM (d0Tfm)

Geez another situation under the JEF that undermines support for how things work.  You'd almost think there's a pattern...

79

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 19, 2012 01:10 PM (qFpRI)

Burt Reynolds is the voice of the main character Charley, and Loni Anderson plays his girlfriend.

 

Really?! Burt Reynolds plays a dog and almost no one's heard of it?

80 With all this stuff coming out in this week's news I'm glad some coblogger finally posted a thread about Zimmerman.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at May 19, 2012 01:09 PM (7+pP9)

Oh I dunno....I kinda see this case as a culmination of everything else that is happening to us.

Government has gone rogue and is beating this shit out of us....we are all yelling for help.  And well, you know the rest....

81 BTW,  FNC has been trying to throw GZ under the bus at almost every opportunity. Yesterday they presented as "evidence" a statement from an unnamed source claiming that GZ doesn't like black people.

82 49 disqualifies her from any profession other than the world's oldest one.

Farming?

Posted by: Les Nessman at May 19, 2012 01:01 PM (db9Mz)

In the sense of "farming out" her Great, Big Tracts of "Land," yes, I suppose...

83 The Ass Press today mentions how Trayvon told his girlfriend over the phone (she says) that Zimmerman looked "crazy and creepy".
Yeah, that tears it! Finally the key detail comes out.
/s

Posted by: sherlock at May 19, 2012 01:13 PM (f29LO)

So wait....Trayvon was profiling Zimmerman!?

84 75 The Ass Press today mentions how Trayvon told his girlfriend over the phone (she says) that Zimmerman looked "crazy and creepy". Yeah, that tears it! Finally the key detail comes out. /s Posted by: sherlock at May 19, 2012 01:13 PM (f29LO) The whole "girlfriend" thing really stinks. You're on the phone with a close friend, he says he's being followed and is scared and then you hear what sounds like a struggle before the phone goes dead and that's the last you hear from him. Then you find out he's dead. I can almost excuse not calling the cops that night out of panic. People do stupid things when they panic. But after finding out the guy is dead you don't call the parents or the cops or anything?? You just go about your business until the family attorney contacts you because the guy's dad thinks he saw your number on the phone bill around the time the guy dies. And the you refuse to talk to the cops for weeks. That just makes no sense whatsoever. I dunno if I believe any of it honestly.

85 BTW, I'm new on here, after having read both the posts *and* the comments for 4 years. You morons are hilarious!


*****

Whaddaya mean "YOU" morons?!

Moron.

86 And Burt certainly knows Loni's a bitch.

87

Posted by: agathapagatha at May 19, 2012 01:16 PM (IxlNL)

 

Welcome as a commenter. Sounds like you've been lurking about the same time since I found this place.

88

Reinforce your doors and windows, arm yourselves, stay in contact with your neighbors, employ situational awareness on the street. It's coming.

 

Yup. It just so happens that I have two gigs in Sanford next week. They are at a  bar that just happens to be the  place where the police chief's son attacked a black dude  for no reason at all. One of my buddies just   happened to catch it in a video. This was about a year or so ago.

 

GZ protested the attack.

 

You'd better believe I'll be prepared...

89 Yes there is no upside in meddling in this abomination of a case no matter what a rational person might think of it.
***
Based on the current trajectory an innocent man is going to be ruined, and perhaps murdered. Our system of justice is being controlled by a mob mentality. And people across the country are being stirred to violence against other innocent people over a crime that was never committed.

Certainly trying to counteract this is something?

90 Yesterday they presented as "evidence" a statement from an unnamed source claiming that GZ doesn't like black people.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 01:17 PM (piMMO)

He didn't like his mother and grandfather?  Really?

91 re 52 - "Oh, and the rash of burglaries in GZ's neighborhood...have they stopped since Trayvon's death?"

Didn't Corey say that Zimmerman "believed" that there had been burglaries in the neighborhood? What was she implying, that Zimmerman had imagined the buglaries had occurred? I guess she had no reason to find out if there had been burglaries in the neighborhood, since that might be more sand in her gears.

92 That just makes no sense whatsoever. I dunno if I believe any of it honestly.


****

Weren't there some rumblings that the call to her, via his phone, occurred a couple of hours after he was dead?

93 Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at May 19, 2012 01:16 PM (X8/ER) That's right!! I remembered Dom but not Burt. It's been a while since I actually *watched* it. It's been on in the house recently, but I try to tune out as much of the kiddie programming once I've watched enough to know its not garbage. For my sanity.

94 The age of bullshit is upon us.

95 That just makes no sense whatsoever. I dunno if I believe any of it honestly.
***
If the call began with something like, "I am so f***ing stoned. I can't even see straight to case the right house," perhaps her reticence becomes more explicable.

96

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 19, 2012 01:20 PM (qFpRI)

 

Lol, I certainly understand the tuning out part.  That's a movie I actually like though, so it's not as bad.

97 .I mean, can the jury drop back to manslaughter, if they don't think it was murder?

Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 01:16 PM (dHMPi)

Murder 2 is "manslaughter" in FL. Here are FL murder codes explained:

First Degree Murder

According to Statute 782.04 ("Murder"), Florida defines first-degree murder as an act "perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person or any human being." The charge may also be applied to a person who is engaged in the perpetration of arson, sexual battery, robbery, burglary, kidnapping, aircraft piracy, narcotics trafficking, and numerous other felonies during which a person is killed. So, if a criminal robs a bank and kills a security guard during the act, he will be charged with first-degree murder. This act is a capital offense in Florida.

Second Degree Murder

Florida state law defines second-degree murder as a killing that "evinces a depraved mind regardless of human life" but "without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual." Also, if you commit a felony in which someone dies but you are not directly responsible for the victim's death, Florida law may still prosecute you for second-degree murder. For example, if two men rob a bank and one of them kills a security guard, the other one will be charged with second-degree murder even though he did not pull the trigger. Florida law allows for this act to be punished by life imprisonment.

Third Degree Murder

Like second-degree murder, third-degree murder is also an unintentional killing, according to Florida law. The crime is defined by the circumstances in which it occurs. Murders that do not involve felonies such as robbery, burglary, kidnapping and other heinous crimes may be considered to be third-degree offenses. For example, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon is a second degree felony in Florida. If that felon accidentally shoots and kills someone while cleaning his illegally-owned gun, he could be charged with third-degree murder.

Justifiable Force

In rare instances, Florida allows for the killing of others in self-defense. Under Statute 776.013, if someone unlawfully enters your dwelling and you possess "a reasonable fear of imminent peril or death," lethal force may be justified. This law does not apply to situations in which a law enforcement agent attempts to enter a dwelling as part of his official duties.

At best he could be charged with third degree, but I would say this is one of those "rare" instances of self-defense.

98 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at May 19, 2012 01:18 PM (d0Tfm) How is business doing in Sanford now? Has it picked up at all?

99 He didn't like his mother and grandfather? Really?
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I have to say the racial angle of the GZ case might be the most laughable thing I've seen the State Media do.

100 And this isn't an idle concern - we've see a number of similar cases recently Add Tom DeLay to that list. You most certainly can be imprisoned over a politically motivated prosecution. I'm guessing that standing trial is never an idle concern to the person being tried.

101 Certainly trying to counteract this is something?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 19, 2012 01:19 PM (3aXbg)

Counteract what?  Yes it's a travesty that he was charged but it was done by a nitwit prosecutor put in place by a Republican governor so we've got to let it play out and all pols should keep their fucking yaps shut until it does.  Otherwise they'd be undermining the legal system as much as the JEF and the chinless fuck.  I hope GZ is wondering about what fucking advantages he's had for being a democrat.

102 Pixy took my formatting

103 # 79, The jury could convict him of manslaughter only if that is one of the charges. They can't just pull it out of thin air. And I'm pretty sure that as of now there is no manslaughter charge.

104 97 That just makes no sense whatsoever. I dunno if I believe any of it honestly. **** Weren't there some rumblings that the call to her, via his phone, occurred a couple of hours after he was dead? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 01:20 PM (piMMO) Yeah, I saw over at conservative treehouse that the phone records Cump released were all in Pacific time, so if that's what they were going by then i guess it's possible the girlfriend never talked to him a all and is just making shit up. Which, sadly, wouldn't surprise me in the least. Crump is a scumbag.

105 Add Tom DeLay to that list.



That DA should go to jail and the jury should be lynched.  They convicted him of a crime that wasn't a crime when he did the act.

106 Out out damned sock.

107 109 # 79, The jury could convict him of manslaughter only if that is one of the charges. They can't just pull it out of thin air. And I'm pretty sure that as of now there is no manslaughter charge. Posted by: agathapagatha at May 19, 2012 01:24 PM (IxlNL) I don't think that's true here. The law here in Florida is generally inclusive of all lesser charges.

108 Or at least that's my understanding. But I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, so take that for what it is.

109 The jury could convict him of manslaughter only if that is one of the charges. They can't just pull it out of thin air. And I'm pretty sure that as of now there is no manslaughter charge.


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Remember, that's why Casey Anthony went free. They didn't leave room for a lesser charge.

110 86 BTW, FNC has been trying to throw GZ under the bus at almost every opportunity. Yesterday they presented as "evidence" a statement from an unnamed source claiming that GZ doesn't like black people.

 

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 01:17 PM (piMMO)

 

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Yeah, I've seen some of that. .....But then I caught part of OReilly with Geraldo going full on defense of Zimmerman. ....I was amazed. Because it seemed like Geraldo had done a 180 from his position back when all this was first in the news. 

111 I don't think that's true here. The law here in Florida is generally inclusive of all lesser charges.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 19, 2012 01:26 PM (qFpRI)

I thought that's the reason Casey Anthony was found not guilty.  There was no lesser charge the jury could consider.

112 This is one of those times that I'm tempted to spit on my hands, hoist the flag and start slitting throats.

113 I am glad this did not happen in California, all we need is another Fuckstein Gun Control Law on the books...We already have Hilly ready to disarm us with a UN initiative...

114 Well folks the sun is coming out and since it is going to rain every day next week I think I'll hit the porch.

115

How is business doing in Sanford now? Has it picked up at all?

 

Not sure. This pasty white Boy hasn't been up in that neck of the woods for a while. I'll see who I run into  next weekend. I may walk around the corner to The Willow Tree and see if Theo's there, grab  a big, ol' stien of cold German beer and ask him. The Willow Tree (for those who don't know) was voted the Number Two German restaurant in the county recently. Theo was also quoted by one  of the MFM web sites as saying that this whole abortion has cost him a lot of business.

 

BTW, nobody up there knows I'm a blogger. Or anywhere else, for   that matter.

116 Yeah, I've seen some of that. .....But then I caught part of OReilly with Geraldo going full on defense of Zimmerman. ....I was amazed.Becauseit seemed like Geraldo had done a 180 from his position back when all thiswas first in the news.


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The one that has surprised me the most has been Megyn Kelly. I mean, Shep Smith, duh, but Megyn Kelly?

She seems to be turning a corner, and did have both Bernie Goldberg and Alan Dershowitz on yesterday, but she seems to resent having been wrong and doesn't want to give it up.

117 Well, is it *really* the "right thing" though for any political branch - Democrats, Republicans, whomever - to quash this case right now?

What is the point of having elected officials if they will not fulfill their duties?

It does open up a big can of worms.

Doesn't allowing a rogue prosecutor to ruin an innocent man for her own political advancement open a bigger on?

 If the roles were reversed, would we want Democrats in charge quashing a weak case against a Democrat-friendly victim? I think we would rightly scream bloody murder.

Do you really think that if the roles were reversed that this case would have ever been pursued? In fact, we would have never heard from it, unless the local Democrats wanted to paint reverse George Zimmerman as a hero dealing with the scourge of "white on black" violence.

Additionally, when has Republican cowardice ever persuaded the left to not do something they wanted to?

118 117 I don't think that's true here. The law here in Florida is generally inclusive of all lesser charges. Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 19, 2012 01:26 PM (qFpRI) I thought that's the reason Casey Anthony was found not guilty. There was no lesser charge the jury could consider. Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 01:27 PM (X6akg) That was the reason the jury gave, but they were idiots and I don't think they were instructed properly. I'll look it up, though. It's always been my understanding that lesser charges were included, but like I said I'm no lawyer so I could be wrong.

119

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2012 01:22 PM (YdQQY)

Looks like Vic explained the "murder/manslaughter" thing pretty well.

120 Murder 2 is "manslaughter" in FL. Here are FL murder codes explained: ---------------- Not at all true. Here is FL manslaughter: Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.— (1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree,

121

Well folks the sun is coming out and since it is going to rain every day next week I think I'll hit the porch.

 

Work,  work,  work  that rocker, Vic. Hope you and Mrs. Vic are doing well.

 

And warn teh  kitteh...

122

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2012 01:22 PM (YdQQY)

 

Thanks, Vic.

 

 

123 "Oh, and the rash of burglaries in GZ's neighborhood...have they stopped since Trayvon's death?" No, but the rate of arson is about to go up 100%

124 Just to put Zimmerman's "white hispanic" character in perspective,

Here is a picture of "white" Zimmerman's Grandpa and (baby) mother:

http://tinyurl.com/7qrm37q


Zimmerman is darker than Barry, for Pete's Sake!

125 I stand corrected.

Here are the final jury instructions in the Anthony case:

INTRODUCTION TO FINAL INSTRUCTIONS

Members of the jury, I thank you for your attention during this trial. Please pay attention to the instructions I am about to give you.

INTRODUCTION TO HOMICIDE

In this case, Casey Marie Anthony is accused of Murder in the First Degree, Aggravated

Child Abuse, Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, and four counts of Providing False Information to a Law Enforcement Officer.

Murder in the First Degree includes the lesser crimes of Murder in the Second Degree,

Manslaughter and Third Degree Felony Murder, all of which are unlawful.

A killing that is excusable or was committed by the use of justifiable deadly force is lawful.

If you find Caylee Marie Anthony was killed by Casey Marie Anthony, you will then consider the circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was Murder in the First Degree or was Murder in the Second Degree or Manslaughter or Third Degree Felony Murderwhether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable use of deadly force

126 Here's the link:   http://bit.ly/m0TJ5x

127 "Weren't there some rumblings that the call to her, via his phone, occurred a couple of hours after he was dead?" I got better.

128

 

But then....Casey Anthony was convicted of "Lying to the Police". ....Was that also in the list of original charges against her?

129 http://tinyurl.com/cmo8a2c Here ya go. Link to Breitbart. It's at he end of the article, but basically yes a jury could refuse to convict for murder 2 and come back with manslaughter instead. From several different law firm websites I found that most felony charges in Florida also include lesser charges. Murder charges include all lesser charges.

130 125 Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2012 01:22 PM (YdQQY)
Looks like Vic explained the "murder/manslaughter" thing pretty well.

 

Posted by: agathapagatha at May 19, 2012 01:31 PM (IxlNL)

 

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Yeah, but thanks for your reply too. .....And welcome.

131 @81 Yeah yeah, justice forTraytable, the Crystal Magnum of the hoodie set. Anywho, NCAA Div 1 Lacrosse tourney still on. Also 2 games tomorrow. Grab a brewskis and check it out

132 If they try Zimmerman at all, they had better leave room for a MUCH lesser charge. Like jaywalking. Remember the Rodney- King thumpers' trial and how the prosecutor insisted on attempted murder or nothing. The jurors, being neither completely insane nor thoroughly corrupt, had to acquit. If they'd been offered a lesser charge, they probably would have jumped on it. Whether that would have prevented the riots is another question, but it might have diminished the sympathy the media gave the rioters. Well, a little.

133 134 But then....Casey Anthony was convicted of "Lying to the Police". ....Was that also in the list of original charges against her? Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 01:38 PM (dHMPi) Yeah, it was. And like I said, the jury there were a pack of idiots. Aggravated manslughter and aggravated child abuse were both included in the filed charges (not just lesser included but actually listed out) and they found her not guilty of all those. Then had the nerve to state that if only manslughter had been included they would ave convicted her. Idiots.

134 If you find Caylee Marie Anthony was killed by Casey Marie Anthony, you will then consider the circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was Murder in the First Degree or was Murder in
the Second Degree or Manslaughter or Third Degree Felony Murder whether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable use of deadly
force

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 01:35 PM (piMMO)

Well then the jury was a bunch of idiots as Mandy said.

135

Oh, BTW, The Willow Tree has a German oompah band who arrange their  own material. You haven''t lived until   you've heard  their renditions  of Elvis tunes.

 

And on that note (rimshot), I'm outta here too.   Gotta study  up on some songs ahead of tonight's gig with the Infidels. In addition to our standard fare of   Johnny Cash,  Waylon and Willie, the Monkees, Zeppelin, and Beatles, we're gonna try ELP's From the Beginning   tonight  semi-acoustically.

 

Wish me luck. And sacrifice a virgin for me. I'll need all the help I can get.  Have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

136

You really need to read that column by the Daily Beast guy Dershowitz mentions.

In sum, he thinks Zimmerman's attorey should plead to a murder charge in order to prevent Rodney King style riots. 

Why not just throw Zimmerman into a fucking volcano and be done with the whole mess?

Iterestingly, there is no fear that if Zimmerman is convicted, there will be riots perpetrated by white Hispanics. I think a threat of mutually assured destruction would keep the prosecutor honest.

 

137 .....basically yes a jury could refuse to convict for murder 2 and come back with manslaughter instead. From several different law firm websites I found that most felony charges in Florida also include lesser charges. Murder charges include all lesser charges.

 

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 19, 2012 01:38 PM (qFpRI)

 

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Thanks, Mandy P. ......And, dammit....I was afraid of that. 

138 if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

She needs to be Nifong'd.  And then dumped into the Bermuda Triangle to play pinochle with Judge Crater, Jimmy Hoffa, and Amelia Earhart.

139 Later Backwards Boy! Next time I visit the in-laws I'll have to swing by and see if you're playing.

140
Well then the jury was a bunch of idiots as Mandy said.


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Yep!

141 142 You really need to read that column by the Daily Beast guy Dershowitz mentions. In sum, he thinks Zimmerman's attorey should plead to a murder charge in order to prevent Rodney King style riots. Why not just throw Zimmerman into a fucking volcano and be done with the whole mess? Iterestingly, there is no fear that if Zimmerman is convicted, there will be riots perpetrated by white Hispanics. I think a threat of mutually assured destruction would keep the prosecutor honest. Posted by: Barack at May 19, 2012 01:42 PM (BEUA4) That is a gigantic pile of bullshit. Which is why I don't read the Daily Beast. I'd honestly rather justice be done and have riots than the other way around. There is no way in hell it's better for us to start throwing not guilty people in jail so as to appease rabble rousers.

142 You really need to read that column by the Daily Beast guy Dershowitz mentions.
In sum, he thinks Zimmerman's attorey should plead to a murder charge in order to prevent Rodney King style riots.
Why not just throw Zimmerman into a fucking volcano and be done with the whole mess?


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I mean, it's just one family that's being destroyed, right? Isn't he willing to sacrifice for the greater good?

143 OT, but that little sidebar video of the dog stalking the wolf made me smile.

144 For Socialists the needs of the one always outweigh the needs of the many.  Unless they need a scapegoat.

145

Here's the thing.....

 

In a Condo Complex...the grounds around the condos are considered "common grounds", for which all the condo owners are expected to share in the expenses of 'upkeep, maintenance and liability insurance'.

 

Because of this....it is like the grounds around the units, are the same as the 'front yard' in the case of a single dwelling.

 

So....I would hope that Zimmerman's attorney would bring this up...and argue the point that Zimmerman was on 'common ground', for which he is legally responsible for as a condo owner. .....Thus, the stand-your-ground law should be available to him.

146 She seems to be turning a corner, and did have both Bernie Goldberg and Alan Dershowitz on yesterday, but she seems to resent having been wrong and doesn't want to give it up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 01:30 PM (piMMO)

I'm confused.  I saw Megyn with Dersh after the initial charges came out and she was being very deferential to him when he was saying the charges were dogshit.  She was even doing a good job of setting him up with questions to allow him to state things in that vein.

147 I'm confused. I saw Megyn with Dersh after the initial charges came out and she was being very deferential to him when he was saying the charges were dogshit. She was even doing a good job of setting him up with questions to allow him to state things in that vein.

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You missed her earlier segments.

She is turning a corner, but she has spent the past month going on about the "unarmed child" that was killed.

148 She is turning a corner, but she has spent the past month going on about the "unarmed child" that was killed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 01:57 PM (piMMO)

Ouch.  Based on the latitude she's given Dersh I hope she's backed off that garbage, which I wouldn't be surprised if she initially did at the behest of that fuckhead Ailes.

149 Yahoo is headlining an ABC hit piece on Z right now. They lead with a quote by a "witness" who only witnessed the aftermath, that she believes Z meant Trayvon to die. Not biased at all.

150

Why did this take several weeks to become a racial cause?

It took that long for the Martins to contact Ben Crump.  Mr Crump and his law firms friends put this out as a story of an evil white racist gunning down an innocent little black child in the night. 

The story was complete with pictures of angelic little 12 yo Trayvonn and the nasty thug Zimmerman complete with a mug shot. 

 

Hell, I believed the story at  first. 

 

 

 

 

151

Selections rom previous comments:

Zimmerman's attorney would bring this up...and argue the point that Zimmerman was on 'common ground', for which he is legally responsible for as a condo owner.

 

I prefer that Z's attorney argue that Z was in a place he had a right to be and/or a reasonable expectation to be. "Common Ground" is limiting, and might limit this defense or later cases.

 

 

Hence the delay in GZ's arrest (until Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton got involved).

 

I hop that Zimmerman starts suing everyone that has prejudiced his case. JJ and Fat Al need to beel the TSA-grade search of their finances, preferably with IRS support. The MBM, and MSLSD in particular, need to feel some major wrath.

 

Perhaps a few TV stations need to have their broadcast licenses legally attached, maybe even suspended ... and a big pile of money needs to be removed from them, via their colon(s), if necessary, The public airwaves are indeed public, much like roads. Propaganda may even be allowed, but prejudicing a judicial proceeding, like DUI, is not.

152 She is turning a corner, but she has spent the past month going on about the "unarmed child" that was killed.

 

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 01:57 PM (piMMO)

 

Yeah. .....She hides behind the "playing devil's advocate" thing alot.  ....Yesterday, when Bernie Goldberg was agreeing with Dershowitz, on all points, and saying some nice things to him.....Megyn said, "I've got to break up this love fest", and laughed, and put an end to the segment.

153 Now there ought to be some broad limits, sure, but when you start talking about the legislature, or governor, attempting to micromanage which cases decide to pursue or not, then I think we really ought to think hard about the potential ramifications and unintended consequences of doing so. For instance, what if there is a Ted Kennedy Chappaquiddick-type situation in Florida? Or a Tom Delay-type situation?

But the governor of FL already interfered. The police decided not to charge GZ originally.

And your counter arguments includes one case,  Chappaquiddick, where the state government interfered for political reasons, and another where the state government did not "interfere" and a man's political career was ruined over a "crime" that wasn't a crime when he did it. Clearly both of these indicate there is a problem with the status quo...no?

Yes I do believe a lot of them are cowardly and don't want the negative publicity that would be associated with such a move. But there are valid, non-cowardice-related concerns as well.

Why did the governor intervene in the first place? Was it fear of the political consequences if he did not or something else?

It is important to punish rogue prosecutors, and I think the time for the state government to do that is not when there is a pending case, but afterwards. [i/]

Do you honestly think there will be any punishment in this case whatsoever? Angela Corey will use this, successfully to pisition herself for a run for higher office, however it turns out - following the example of Spitzer or Reno.

154 Would I come across as harsh if I said that Trayvon's parents should be ashamed of the job they did raising that punk? Suspected of stealing, ended up shot to death in the act of beating someone. If I was the father, I'd hang my head low.But of course... In our society, the simple decency of public shame is something that went out with the Jerry Springer Show.

Posted by: CoolCzech at May 19, 2012 12:53 PM (q9vNM)

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Saw Martin's father giving an interview a month or so ago, and wondered myself if the attitudes with which Martin was raised had not played a part in his being dead by violence at age 17. 

 The father was talking about how he had sat his son down and talked with him about how dangerous it is to be a black man in America, and how he had to look out for himself.  Was that why Martin was so intent on teaching "white" Zimmerman a lesson? 

Most people would have just asked Zimmerman "why are you following me?" -- instead of jumping on him and trying to beat him to death.  But Martin was walking around with a  big  chip on his shoulder -- put there in part by a father who taught him that white people were his enemy. 

But I guess we can't discuss how black attitudes (and the celebration of the gangsta/thug persona)  may be contributing to interracial violence -- being the "nation of cowards"  that we are,  right Holder?

155

"Yahoo is headlining an ABC hit piece on Z right now."

 

Yahoo is one of the first sites I came across when I first plugged into the net back in '94.  I hung on for awhile even though noticing they were heading left.  Then they took a sharp turn and I dumped them.

156 Off sock

157

Stay tuned for the next step, the self defense immunity hearing for George Zimmerman.  He needs to show on a PREPONDERANCE of evidence (not reasonable doubt) that he acted in self-defense. 

 

If he wins it (and I think he probably will), he goes free (as he can with a price on his head). 

 

And Ben Crump cannot file a wrongful death suit against GZ, the condos, the county or state for the Martins.

 

For us, that is the signal to batten down the hatches.  If there are riots, they will start after he is found not guilty due to self defense.

158 54 - World's Oldest Profession? That hunting & gathering thing was to pay off the hoors.

159 I set up a new email account and for the answer to the secret recovery password question for "Place of Birth", I accidentally put Kenya.

Ooops!

160 Megyn had a couple of kids herself and now harps on any story involving children. She obviously can't objectively report on any story involving kids.

161

If there are race riots before the Election.....would it help Barky? ....I would think that it would hurt him, more than it would help him.

162 Most people would have just asked Zimmerman "why are you following me?" -- instead of jumping on him and trying to beat him to death.
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I think this is a key part of the whole fiasco. GZ and Trayvon are about the same size, and yet it appears that Trayvon managed to knockdown GZ and go to town on him without getting punched once in return. This strongly indicates GZ wasn't at all expecting a fight and Trayvon started one...

163

Albie, if you don't correct that sometime in the next 17 years, we might start looking at you funny.

 

Well, funnier.

164 Zimmerman should sue the living shit out of Sharpton, Spike Lee, Corey and especially NBC.

165 I am slowly thinking that Corey brought this case forward knowing full well it was bullshit and that the Judge is likely to give Zimmerman immunity under SYG and thus pay for all costs associated with the trial and such.

166 corey was way too happy to take this case and made a complete fool of herself at her press conference.....she never would have taken it if she thought it was bullshit.....she's only as good as her last case and losing this one or being associated with one that got thrown out destroys her career

167 Dersch is a mensch!!

168 my blog post on this the day after the Corey press conference: http://tinyurl.com/bwqu7gw

169

I don't quite understand why, if you see a stranger in your neighborhood, you can't ask him or her what they are doing, who they are here to see.  Or that asking such a question is the equivalent of fighting words.  We are learning that Trayvon was a thug criminal and, luckily, the person he attacked was armed and able to defend himself.  Quite often, the person attacked by the urban thug like Trayvon isn't quite so lucky and ends up the victim of the robbery, rape or murder.  Trayvon's parents are the same as the parents (or "auntie") of every black criminal shot in Chicago.  "Why, (fill in the blank) was just getting ready to turn his life around.  He only smoked blunts 5 days a week and was fixing to start supporting his three baby mamas.  If only the po po hadn't shot him while he was trying to rape that woman."  He wasn't a child, he was a ghetto thug and criminal ready to start his career with a murder.  His being shot isn't a tragedy given that it saved the lives of his future victims

170

The new replacement Judge, that we saw in Zimmerman's hearing, seems to be a reasonable guy. ....He set bail for a reasonable amount, and let Z leave the state to go into hiding.

 

Will this be the Judge for the trial? ....Sorry if this is a dumb question, but Florida law seems to have some quirks that other states don't have.

171 I mean, it's just one family that's being destroyed, right? Isn't he willing to sacrifice for the greater good? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 01:46 PM (piMMO) The Greater Good.....The Greater Good.......The Greater Good

172

Crump needs to be able to file wrongful death lawsuits in order to be paid off from the settlements.

If GZ and OÂ’Mara succeed in having the Florida charges thrown out at the immunity hearing, Crump does not get to file civil lawsuits and will not get paid. George Zimmerman will be Immune from any lawsuits based on Florida law. Therefore, Crump cannot file a wrongful death lawsuit.

So, Crump will then need to have the Holder DOJ file Federal hate crime charges. Then Crump can file his wrongful death lawsuits and get paid. Holder does not have to have a case, and does not need to win his criminal case. Crump can file his civil case if GZ is indicted by the feds.

Crump has invested a lot in this tragedy. He will expect to get his money back via the wrongful death lawsuits.    As usual, follow the money and you will find the motivations.

173

I like how this is all about race, but it turns out nothing that happened here had anything to do with race.

That's a pretty big manufacture job by the MFM.

174 What would anyone sue Zimmerman for? Do you think he has anything left?

175

Z Ryan,

GZ will just be one of the names on the suit.  The race baiting ambulance chasing lawyers will sue everybody including the state. 

 

And then the weak-kneed pansies in the government will cave in and pay them off to keep the ravening hordes at bay.  Why not, it's not THEIR money, it's the taxpayers. 

176 Make the State's Attorney eat the charge. Get a jury instruction that prohibits consideration of any lesser included charges. She wanted Murder 2, she lives or dies by Murder 2. Of course, the "Self Defense" hearing should throw the charges out long before the case heads to the jury.

177 Whoever posted that alternate timeline newspaper article about Z being in coma after the beating and *not* having his gun on him, please post it again if you still have it.

178

 

Then Crump can file his wrongful death lawsuits and get paid.

 

Crump needs his money, as do the Martin family and a few others ... This is all crap, and the defendant should stand up and fight. Unfortunately, a payoff is much easier and cheaper, and therefore more likely.

 

[iWhat would anyone sue Zimmerman for? Do you think he has anything left?[/i]

 

Zimmerman has, in the scheme of things, nothing. But the condo association likely has a very large insurance policy, potentially $50million coverage. The settlement won't be anywhere near $50M, but even $2M, for a couple of days of negotiation is a good payout.

Then there's the City ...

 

 

 

179

A few good spots for more information are Tom Maguire's just one minute blog and the Conservative  Treehouse  Last  Refuge blog.

 

This case is a travesty and was ginned up by a bunch of race baiting ambulance chasers so someone could get a payday.

180 Yeah. .....She hides behind the "playing devil's advocate" thing alot. ....Yesterday, when Bernie Goldberg was agreeing with Dershowitz, on all points, and saying some nice things to him.....Megyn said, "I've got to break up this love fest", and laughed, and put an end to the segment.


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IIRC, she closed their segment by noting how "entertaining" they are.

181 Megyn had a couple of kids herself and now harps on any story involving children. She obviously can't objectively report on any story involving kids.


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that does seem to be the case.

182 Megyn had a couple of kids herself and now harps on any story involving children. She obviously can't objectively report on any story involving kids.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 19, 2012 02:12 PM (BuSM

Kelly has always been an idiot.  I understand that people liked her because she was kind of hot, but she hasn't changed much.  Every once in a while she would defend the conservative case but she rarely did it intelligently or correctly and almost never for the right reasons.  She always had an attitude and usually it was annoying and bothersome.

I haven't watched her coverage of this because I stopped watching Fox a while ago.  I just couldn't take it anymore.  Not even the true hotness of Shannon Bream could make me wade into that channel, and frankly, this idea that just putting hot women on the air to attract viewers has gotten totally out of control.  There are enough of them running around everywhere that the interest of them on TV reading teleprompters (or even worse when they let them ad-lib) really loses its appeal after seeing them once or twice.

I can't say that I've found a better channel.  I just don't bother with TV for any news.

183 OH!MY! GAWD!.....

http://tinyurl.com/7nv9r5g

184 Then there's the City ...

Posted by: Arbalest at May 19, 2012 02:36 PM (rJcqg)

 

 

And it would help the city a lot if the police chief's son hadn't beaten a black guy (nearly?) to death in the last year. Which should have *nothing* to do with Zimmerman. Is it possible that interested parties have been looking for a payout since then? That would probably be unlikely I guess.

185 I forgot about the picture in my name-link. Click on it for a good reminder about this case.

186

Polliwog,  I was thinking of getting a CCW license when this started, so I have been following this fairly closely.  I am still not sure if I will.   But I keep thinking this could be me some dark rainy night if things go badly. 

here it is:

Local Man in Critical Condition after Beating

 

A neighborhood watch captain is in the hospital and fighting for his life tonight with a fractured skull and other injuries.  He was found beaten Sunday night shortly after he reported a suspicious man in a gray hoodie wandering through the neighborhood.  George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain is in the hospital and fighting for his life tonight with a fractured skull and other injuries.  Police were responding to his report of a suspicious person when neighbors reported a man screaming for help to 911.  Witnesses said Zimmerman was on the ground and screaming for help and then suddenly stopped yelling.  The assailant fled the scene before police arrived.  

 

Zimmerman, age 27, is the local neighborhood watch captain for the Retreat at Twin Lakes.  His wife ________, said he was a devoted family man and involved in the community.  He tutored several youths in Orlando last year, and was an activist convinced the local police to bring charges in the beating of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man.  __________, the son of a Sanford police officer was convicted of assaulting Sherman Ware on December 4, 2010. 

 

Neighbors report that there has been a rash of burglaries in the neighborhood in the last year, including a home invasion.  Mrs. Zimmerman stated her husband was returning from shopping at the Target store when he spotted a suspicious person and contacted the police.  “I do not understand why he did not take his handgun with him on Sunday night.  He almost always carries it after he was advised to by the police after we had trouble with a vicious dog.”  Mr. Zimmerman has a valid Florida CCW permit, but he was not carrying his handgun Sunday night.  

 

 

Police are requesting anyone with information contact the Sanford Police Department. 

187 The Greater Good.....The Greater Good.......The Greater Good

Posted by: Neighborhood Watch Alliance, Sandford, Gloucestershire at May 19, 2012 02:26 PM (Rhie+)

*****

Yaaarg.

188

Posted by: rd at May 19, 2012 02:42 PM (9sUlj)

 

Thanks. Are you on Twitter? That needs to be linked there.  I was able to link to the comment with a little blurb yesterday, but it really deserves better tretment than my poor 'net skills.

189 >>I can't say that I've found a better channel. I just don't bother with TV for any news.

Cable news channels are hours, if not days behind the blogs for news. I admit to watching AMessNBC now and again just for the entertainment value.

They're all bugfuck crazy over there.

190 *treatment*. I can spell, most days, there's just little proof.

191 Where's Sheriff Joe Biteme on this issue?

192 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2012 02:41 PM (X3lox)


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Martha MacCallum is far and away the best female reporter/commentator on the channel. They aren't all bad, but the leg-chairs are getting on my nerves.

193 Polli, feel free to spread it around.  Do not bother to credit me, I prefer to be one of the anonymous moron horde.

194
I don't quite understand why, if you see a stranger in your neighborhood, you can't ask him or her what they are doing, who they are here to see. Or that asking such a question is the equivalent of fighting words.
Posted by: ejo
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I bet a few of us have stories like this. I do, I'm happy to say.

I went to visit my baby bro once upon a time, and oh, he's Hispanic because my evil Rethuglican parents adopted a Mexican because it was the right thing to do, go fig. He lived in one of these lower-middle-class-but-decent Hispanic neighborhoods in L.A. county at the time. Lots of them in SoCal.

Well he wasn't there so I'm waiting for him in my Volvo and my business clothes, car door open because it was hot -- nice white girl in Hispanic neighborhood, probably looked like I was waiting for my cocaine dealer.

Hispanic guy comes out of his apartment and gives me the evil eye. "ExCUSE me! May I HELP YOU?" I explained who I was waiting for and he backed off, although not with a smile -- still half-threatening. "Oh. We like to keep an eye on our neighborhood."

WHOA, I was profiled! And I thought it was great. I thanked the guy and felt better that baby bro was in such a tight neighborhood.

That's all Trayvon had to do.

195 A couple of thoughts on the Zimmernan case. Wow, is this guy fucked. Sorry, normally I don't lay you in depth legal analysis like that, but that is pretty much it in a nutshell. Obviously the facts don't support a murder charge, in fact they barely support manslaughter and that is only if you look at them in the most generous light possible. But it won't matter, they will railroad Zimmernan for the purpose of political expedience. His fate is in the hands of 12 people looking for a book deal and their own 15 minutes of fame, and that just doesn't bode well at all. Even if by some bizarre twist of fate he manages to avoid conviction by the state it will only be the beginning, Holder and his Department of Injustice will inevitably file federal charges most likely based on some bogus civil rights claim. The facts have been swept aside, the law has been ignored, and all that matters is now is the rule of the mob. Sad, but true.

196

Posted by: Albie Damned at May 19, 2012 02:45 PM (Yhu4q)

 

Exactly.  I realized about a year ago that even Yahoo! headlines was almost *48 hours* behind what I found here and at Weasel Zippers.  Now that I've got Twitter as well, news is old after about 2 hours. It's pretty amazing. 

197 I can't say that I've found a better channel. I just don't bother with TV for any news.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2012 02:41 PM (X3lox)

I use to have Fox on all the time.  That ended election day, 2008 when O'Reilly could not lick Obama's knob enough.

Haven't watched since....unless someone mentions some reason to turn it on and it has to be a damn good reason.

198 you know, maybe just maybe zimmerman is lying Has anyone here thought of that? I hope the truth comes out in the trial instead of here with the want to be lawyers

199 Dershowitz actually has standards, believe it or not. He actually pays attention to the intent of the Founders and constrains his reflexive liberal bent (not strict Leftism mind you) within actual professional ethical boundaries. It's almost like he's got a passing familiarity with reality. And at Harvard. Who could have guessed such a situation would ever again occur there? A semi-honest lawyer pissed off at unethical behaviour? Count me stunned and appreciative.

200

Posted by: rd at May 19, 2012 02:48 PM (9sUlj)

 

Well, I was kind of hoping that someone with better skills could set up a *good* way to link it.  It certainly needs spread.

201 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2012 02:41 PM

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Brett Baier still brings it on Special Report.

202

...And then I said, "Rectum, damn near killed 'em!" *hic*

 

HAHAHAHA *hic* HAHA!

 

*stumbles, falls into bush*

203

Megyn had a couple of kids herself and now harps on any story involving children. She obviously can't objectively report on any story involving kids.

 

To be fair...I'd still do her in the squeak hole.

204 Let the case go to trial. Get an acquittal so they can't charge him with a lesser (and easily provable) crime. Double Jeopardy will then kick in to protect him from other state charges at least. I would be worried about the DOJ charging him with a civil rights violation because Double Jeopardy would not protect him and he would be theoretically at risk of the DEATH PENALTY. Knowing the scum that works at the DOJ I would bet on them trying to charge him.

205

Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 02:49 PM (5tiWJ)

 

It sort of helps his case that *all* of the evidence agrees with what he said.

206
I don't quite understand why, if you see a stranger in your neighborhood, you can't ask him or her what they are doing, who they are here to see.

I don't either. When I was a teenager some stranger started cruising through our little 10 lot subdivision. The guy looked like the "dud" from Mystery Date (ratty shirt, unkempt hair, beard stubble). His car was a real beater.

I didn't care for his frequent visits and apparently my father cared even less for them. He called all of our neighbors and they all had noticed him too, and none of them or their family members knew him. After that, he acted: the next time the guy cruised by my father motioned he wanted to talk to him. He then told the guy "If I see you here again you'll be a better man than me because you'll have stopped a .30-30."

He never came back.

207 you know, maybe just maybe zimmerman is lying
Has anyone here thought of that?

I hope the truth comes out in the trial instead of here with the want to be lawyers


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Yep. The possibility exists that while he was bleeding from his broken nose, and with a softball sized goose egg on the back of his head, that he ran around the complex convincing witnesses to lie for him.

Tell me how again he managed to plant the calls to 911 in advance....

208

I hope the truth comes out in the trial instead of here with the want to be lawyers

 

Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 02:49 PM (5tiWJ)

 

 

"wannabe" not "want to be."

 

If you're going to be a retard, at least get the nomenclature right.

Retard.

209 Martha MacCallum is far and away the best female reporter/commentator on the channel. They aren't all bad, but the leg-chairs are getting on my nerves.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
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Catherine Herridge is great, although I don't think she's a "commentator."

Lamentably, those two girl-lawyers on Bill-o (blonde and brunette) also seem pretty smart, but they're confined to his show.

210 206 you know, maybe just maybe zimmerman is lying Has anyone here thought of that? No, because the evidence supports his story and no other reasonable explanation is offered. Saying he stalked and killed a 6 foot 2 inch thug on drugs while the facts and record shows he stayed put and was attacked and beaten is asinine and unreasonabe as that conclusion is contra-factual. There is no reasonable explanation that takes all these facts and gives a conclusion other than self defense. It is called thinking. Try it.

211 Off drunk sock!

212

Posted by: Sean at May 19, 2012 02:52 PM (DEBLj)

 

Yet another reason to vote Obama out I guess.  Could they railroad Z fast enough to get a federal conviction before getting notice to vacate?  Or would they just need to get him under arrest and then he'd have to hope for help from the next President?

213 Martha MacCallum is far and away the best female reporter/commentator on the channel. They aren't all bad, but the leg-chairs are getting on my nerves.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 02:47 PM (piMMO)

Yeah, Martha was okay from what I recall. 

The stuff with the legs is totally out of hand.  I watch Bloomberg (spit) for the late-night market news and morning openings (Fox business has no late night programming, at all, and that horse's ass Imus in the morning) and Bloomberg is even more overboard with the hot bodied women and tight, tight dresses and legs (they have them all sitting on the tables for the early morning euroscum news - seriously - it's crazy) but it's just distracting when they are doing serious interviews.  I often wonder how guys can be interviewed by them and not just stare at their tits and legs.  Everybody else is.

Sex sells, for sure, but sexy women aren't any rare commodity these days.  Knowledgeable commentators and serious channels are.

And they don't even try to hide the crudity of it all.  Bloomberg has a commentator, Betty Liu, and her show is "In the Loop" ... yeah ...  And some other chick, Trish Regan, with her segment, "Three against Trish".  I mean, it's cute and funny the first time you see it, but after that it's just idiotic and demeaning to the viewer.

214 you know, maybe just maybe zimmerman is lying
Has anyone here thought of that?

I hope the truth comes out in the trial instead of here with the want to be lawyersPosted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 02:49 PM (5tiWJ)

 

Just because Justice is blind, it doesn't mean you have to be, retard.  

 The facts, as we know them make this an open and shut case of self-defense.

Have a bag of Skittles and a can of Iced Tea and STFU.

215 Oh come on, stop watching fox news all day! The evidence shows he started a fight and had to use a gun cause his mouth wrote a check his ass couldn't cover. You honestly can't see this?

216 Knowing the scum that works at the DOJ I would bet on them trying to charge him.
Posted by: Sean
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Reportedly, the FBI is looking into a hate crime case against him.

217 Brett Baier still brings it on Special Report.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 02:50 PM (jTDjB)

He was okay and tried hard to be a decent interviewer/reporter, but the sad fact is that he ain't too bright.

218 Brett Baier still brings it on Special Report.


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I wish wish wish they would would air his show on the Fox network simultaneously. Especially now, with the economy in the tank, a lot of people can't afford Fox News. It would be wonderful for at least one good news program to be available to the masses.

219

195
Polliwog, I was thinking of getting a CCW license when this started, so I have been following this fairly closely. I am still not sure if I will. But I keep thinking this could be me some dark rainy night if things go badly.

 

Posted by: rd at May 19, 2012 02:42 PM (9sUlj)

 

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It's a good thing to have.....especially now.

 

If you do get one.....it is often reciprocated in the other states that also have CC. .....Our governor just signed our Open Carry into law here in Oklahoma.

It also makes it now legal to open carry on your own property....which is cool.

 

The new law here converts all CC permits to open carry. ....You can't carry openly without a permit, unless you are on your own property.  ....Oklahoma also reciprocates CC permits from other states.

 

 

220 [iThe evidence shows he started a fight and had to use a gun cause his mouth wrote a check his ass couldn't cover.
You honestly can't see this?

Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 02:56 PM (eYiNi)[/i]

What evidence is there that he started a fight?

*this outta be good.....

221

The evidence shows he started a fight

 

The physical evidence shows no such thing, in fact clearly supports the opposite.  The fact that you're emotionally invested in the narrative doesn't make it any more correct than what you *say* we're doing. 

222 229 Easy, this was a kids who was being aggressive followed by some fat guy with a gun. Trayvon was just defending himself!!

223 But what about the button?

224

206 you know, maybe just maybe zimmerman is lying Has anyone here thought of that?

 

Yeah, but all the evidence matches HIS story. 

 

AND he was checked out by police using a voice stress analyzer (lie detector).  

 

By the way, Travyonn was only 5'11'' inches per the autopsy report, not 6'2". 

 

 

225 Trayvon was just defending himself!!

Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 03:01 PM (eYiNi)

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Defending himself from what?  Someone looking at him?

226 Catherine Herridge is great, although I don't think she's a "commentator."

Lamentably, those two girl-lawyers on Bill-o (blonde and brunette) also seem pretty smart, but they're confined to his show.


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A lady who would never sit in the leg-chair. They aren't all bad, but I've had it up to my ears with some of them: Kimberly Guilfoile and Andrea Tantaro spring to mind.

227
The evidence shows he started a fight
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Elaborate, please.

228 I still see the hand of Team Obama behind Corey's prosecutorial overreach. The day of her giggly press conference she looked to me like someone who has been given the golden ticket. Zimmerman's best hope may lie with delaying until the Obama/Holder regime is out of power.

229

Dodecahedron was a punk ass little bitch who jumped the wrong person. 

230 Didn't Catherine Herridge sue Fox for discrimination....or something?

231

Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 03:01 PM (eYiNi)

 

1) Not fat, and much shorter

 

2) Gun was concealed

 

3) Most people don't "defend" themselves by smashing someone else's nose without having had a hand laid on them.

232 Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 02:56 PM (eYiNi)



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Average Joe, right?

233 Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 02:48 PM (jTDjB)

A buddy of mine rents some houses in a part of town that's hispanic and in the lower class range, he hired me to be the caretaker since he only knows the finance side and doesn't know squat about how to actually take care of houses, anyhoo, i had the same experience you did my first trip to one of the houses, had three dudes walk in the house about five minutes after me (it was empty and i was getting it ready for the new tenant at the time) and i thought i was about to get my ass beat but they asked me what i was doing in the house and i explained and they said they were just making sure i wasn't a burglar.

234 Oh damn!  It's navycopjoe!


The cubs suck!

235 236. Put the brandy down Tami and think. What would you do if it was late and dark and some dude with a gun was following you?

236 I've had it up to my ears with some of them: Kimberly Guilfoile and Andrea Tantaro spring to mind.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

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Guilfoyle, that's the brunette I was trying to think of. I think she's smart, but as O'Reilly desk candy she's being debased.

237 Didn't Catherine Herridge sue Fox for discrimination....or something?


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Oh! Never heard that.

238 204 A couple of thoughts on the Zimmernan case.

Wow, is this guy fucked. Sorry, normally I don't lay you in depth legal analysis like that, but that is pretty much it in a nutshell. .....

 

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at May 19, 2012 02:48 PM (R5yLq)

 

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Yup. ....He's in hiding, his family is in hiding....and they probably will always have to be looking over their shoulders, from now on.

 

If he is cleared of all charges, his best hope for ever having a normal life....will be to change his name and move very far away. ....Or move to Texas or Oklahoma. 

239

Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 03:05 PM (eYiNi)

Oh damn! It's navycopjoe!

 

Shouldn't you be in Boystown getting a pickle on your wiener?

240 246. Damn!!! I had you all too Uggh!!!

241

206 you know, maybe just maybe zimmerman is lying
Has anyone here thought of that?

I hope the truth comes out in the trial instead of here with the want to be lawyers
Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 02:49 PM (5tiWJ)

 

... better here than with the KosTards or the DUmmies ... who seem to have to spin the obvious truth, ;est it become apparent to all ... for example:

 

224 Oh come on, stop watching fox news all day!
The evidence shows he started a fight and had to use a gun cause his mouth wrote a check his ass couldn't cover.
You honestly can't see this?
Posted by: we need justice at May 19, 2012 02:56 PM (eYiNi)

 

So, you admit Zimmerman had a gun. Ok, then explain why Zimmerman allowed Trayvon to get in the first punch, knock him to the ground, break his nose, beat his head into the ground, etc., etc., before shooting Trayvon?

 

Or was Zimmerman already pointing a gun at Trayvon and Trayvon was not afraid of a gun pointed at him? Why would Trayvon be not afraid of a gun pointed at him? What would cause this?

 

Why not just cap Trayvon before taking a potentially fatal beating, then make up something convincing ... like maybe plant a sharpened screwdriver or 18" of rebar on Trayvon ...

 

But none of these things happened, otherwise Fat Al or JJ would have been screaming, or the Martin family lawyers and PR firm would have spun them ...

242

we need justice at May 19, 2012 03:01 PM (eYiNi)

 

And if Trayvonn was so scared, there were 2-3 minutes from when GZ lost sight of him until the 911 calls about GZ getting beaten starting arriving.  TM had more than enough time to run home  (~100 yards) and get help. 

 

And he could have used his cell phone to call for help.

 

Instead he circled back and cold-cocked GZ. 

 

 

243
I like the genteel way my father handled our situation. Think it would've worked on Trayvon?

244
Didn't Catherine Herridge sue Fox for discrimination....or something?
Posted by: Tami
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Apparently. Since I only quote from the best, here's wiki:

In 2007 a legal dispute regarding salary and benefits took place between Herridge and Fox News. Fox News attempted to put a no complaint clause in her contract which Herridge refused to sign. She then filed a complaint with the EEOC. In September 2010 the EEOC sued Fox over, among other things, the contract clause in re Herridge.[2] On August 25, 2011 the EEOC lawsuit was dismissed as without merit by a federal judge. The judge referenced Herridge's salary of $900,000 per year as one reason.[3]

245

Posted by: booger at May 19, 2012 03:05 PM (HI6wa)

 

In the middle of Newark NJ is the Ironbound District.  90+% Portugeuse.  They police their own neighborhood this way and there is ZERO crime. 

None. 

Two blocks in any direction and you are in the most crime ridden city on the eastern seaboard. 

246 The EEOC needs to be disbanded.  It really does.  It's a shithole.

247
Ah, more on Herridge:

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission says Fox News Channel reporter Catherine Herridge filed an internal complaint about allegedly discriminatory practices in 2007.

248 If he iscleared of all charges, his best hope for ever having a normal life....will be to change his name and move very far away. ....Or move to Texas or Oklahoma. Assuming they have the financial resources left to even consider it, I have a feeling their legal expenses alone will most likely bankrupt the family. But most likely Zimmerman will be spending a great deal of time behind bars, convicted solely on some "witness" claiming he once used the n word or told a joke with racial overtones.

249 What would you do if it was late and dark and some dude with a gun was following you?

Run away. (ok walk fast)
Put my hands up and say "Whoa, don't shoot".

or if I'm a totally needed killing POS

Fail ambush 101 and the all the rules of gun-fighting simultaneously

250
What would you do if it was late and dark and some dude with a gun was following you?
Posted by: we need justice
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I'd scream 9-1-1 at the top of my lungs.

I'd also ask my parents why I was allowed out so late (was Trayvon violating a curfew law btw?), especially if my father had lectured me about how endangered I was as a Black man in America.

251 261
Ah, more on Herridge:


  The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission says Fox News Channel
reporter Catherine Herridge filed an internal complaint about allegedly
discriminatory practices in 2007.

 

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 03:11 PM (jTDjB)

 

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Hunh. ....I wonder what that was about. ....Maybe they were insisting  that she dye  her  hair  blonde? ....Or wear low-cut tops? 

252 259. Nah, when it gets out my republican wife just slaps me back into line. OT i just read that crazy rham is from my neighborhood in chitown and the hippies are starting shit at horner park Why aren't my homies stomping them yet?

253 It also makes it now legal to open carry on your own property....which is cool.





In every State where you are allowed to own a gun you can always open carry on your own property. As soon as someone takes them to court NYC will be legal too.

254 Hey My hash changed! Could have played with the trollsock some more

255 Sick my attack kittehs on him.

256
In the middle of Newark NJ is the Ironbound District. 90+% Portugeuse. They police their own neighborhood this way and there is ZERO crime.
None.
Two blocks in any direction and you are in the most crime ridden city on the eastern seaboard.

Posted by: garrett at May 19, 2012 03:10 PM (PPdh6)

And three blocks in any direction and you're in serious danger of being beaten/robbed/raped by a Portuguese. The Portuguese are much like Sicilians.

257

262 SOS,

 

Corey's Butt Boy, (Delarandio or whatever) has mentioned something about texts and tweets from GZ's account.  These are from after the incident happened and the Al and Jesse Circus of racial intimidation came to town. 

 

No facts so far, just innuendo from the prosecutors. 

 

Expect the leak to occur 48-72 hours before the immunity hearing starts. 

258
Found my answer to the curfew law: in Sanford it applies to 16 and under, so he was legal. I didn't realize all this happened in the early evening either, so never mind.

259

In every State where you are allowed to own a gun you can always open carry on your own property. As soon as someone takes them to court NYC will be legal too.

 

You can carry concealed on your property as well.  Something the pedophile son in law of my former neighbors found out when he assaulted me.  

His lawyer tried to get me charged with unlawful carry and was laughed out of the local PD.

260

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at May 19, 2012 03:11 PM (R5yLq)

 

A major news network has admitted to intentionally altering evidence about him, resulting in a bounty to be put on his head. ....As many commentors have mentioned...Zimmerman does have a pretty darn good case for collecting some damages.

 

So I'm hoping that he goes for the juglar....and gets enough money to retire for life somewhere.

261 267. I think in Chicago you can't If in plain view i believe the cops can get you regardless if you have a permit. I may be wrong of course. He'll i usually am as per the wife

262
Hunh. ....I wonder what that was about. ....Maybe they were insisting that she dye her hair blonde? ....Or wear low-cut tops?
Posted by: wheatie
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I wouldn't be surprised. She claimed age and gender discrimination, so maybe she was passed over for promotion that some pair of legs got instead. Dunno.

263 The last decent anchor at Fox was Brit Hume.  When they took him off I knew they were taking a turn to the left.



Coincidence that we was removed soon after the 2008 election?  I don't think so.

264 Damn joe, hash changed again.  You riding around using your Iphone?

265

The Portuguese are much like Sicilians.

 

They are exactly like Sicilians. 

By which I mean, of course, that  they aren't Italian.

266
>>If there are race riots before the Election.....would it help Barky? ....I would think that it would hurt him, more than it would help him.

Does Obama look worried about the upcoming elections? Look at his lavish vacations, his limited work schedule, and those with whom he is working.  This is a very dangerous man who has, as his closest advisers, people who have orchestrated the revolutions of the 1960s. They know the “trigger points” in America.

The Obama administration, including his czars and along with his closet Progressive supporters, are planning a manufactured insurgency against America. He is using the media to his advantage to garner both sympathy and support for his unfinished goals.

Watch for a false flag event against Obama or his family, something that will outrage ‘black America.’ It will be carefully choreographed, but executed in a manner that will evoke the ugliest of reactions and create racial chaos in this country that will make the Watts riots, 1968 and the Rodney King riots pale in comparison. Obama is using some high profile people as pawns to foment the revolution. The Trayvon Martin case is just the tip of the iceberg. You certainly don’t have to be a genius to understand how Obama and his team played the public on this issue, and it’s far from over.

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government. They figure that if the average American will put up with being sexually groped and nuked just to fly, theyÂ’ll accept almost anything. ThatÂ’s why their actions are becoming more overt.  ItÂ’s in your face and the brass actually chuckle about it. Assholes.

That threat need not be from beyond. All it might take is a world of starving, broke and desperate people.

267
I'm hoping that he goes for the juglar....and gets enough money to retire for life somewhere.
Posted by: wheatie
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Ditto. It's the only way to stop those racial predators.

268 And yes, the EEOC was at the top of that list of things that need to be disbanded.  There is no justification for its existence and it was intended to be in place for only 5 years to begin with.

269 278. Yep, good guess I upgraded to the giant galaxy note though, easier to read But im still getting the iphone 5 in Oct (i hope)

270 And no, I no longer watch Fox news.

271
I see Vic is back in from the porch.

Beautiful day out and I'd be out but I'm still not 100%. All of the flu symptoms have yet to subside and a wee nip of medicinal alcohol is kicking my ass.

272 So I'm hoping that he goes for the juglar....and gets enough money to retire for life somewhere.

Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 03:21 PM (dHMPi)

He's not leaving the US with that money.  That's ours!

273 If Sickinmass is right and Obama choreographs rioting for his benefit, the rioters should wear hoodies that say "Justice for Traytor."

274

Wheatie,

 

If I was George Zimmerman and his ENTIRE family, when we sued, we would want heads as part of the settlement. 

Sure we will settle for 2 million less, but we want the Today Show producer, newsreader, and the executive producer fired.  For a million, we want Brian Williams to read an apology on the air at every Today Show and Nightly News newscast for the entire month.

275 Brett Baier still brings it on Special Report.


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 02:50 PM (jTDjB)


He was okay and tried hard to be a decent interviewer/reporter, but the sad fact is that he ain't too bright.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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He's a good anchor, and he did a good job of slapping Obama around in his eminence's one-and-only genuine interview on the unAffordable end of Care machination disguised as an Act.

276
151 Here's the thing.....

In a Condo Complex...the grounds around the condos are considered "common grounds", for which all the condo owners are expected to share in the expenses of 'upkeep, maintenance and liability insurance'....

Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 01:48 PM (dHMPi)



The townhouses themselves have bona fide front, back, and side yards. These commons, roads, sidewalks, clubhouse are owned by the HOA corporation, which in turn is owned by the townhouse owners - one indivisible share per townhouse.

Quite literally it is Zimmerman's property.

As for Martin, he just knew somebody who knew somebody who lived there. It's not even clear if the people he knew were expecting him. (IOW, he may have engaged in criminal trespass with 'I'm going to visit...' as an alibi)

277 Beautiful day out and I'd be out but I'm still not 100%. All of the flu symptoms have yet to subside and a wee nip of medicinal alcohol is kicking my ass.



It clouded up and I'm just not into it today.

278 @203

I drive a big white box truck with the name of the store and the phone number on the side of it and I still have people come up and ask why I'm in the neighborhood if I show up at a house before the customer is home. It has never occurred to me to punch one of them.

279 I had you all too

Uggh!!!


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You got us!

280 If only the gubmit passed out free weed, Travon wouldn't have been casin' houses. Munchies is a right! Right? No green, no peace!

281 He's a good anchor, and he did a good job of slapping Obama around in his eminence's one-and-only genuine interview on the unAffordable end of Care machination disguised as an Act.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 03:30 PM (jTDjB)

Yes.  My comment about him was gratuitous. He does really try and, as you say, he was the only one with any balls to confront the Dog-Eating Retard.  He's a good guy.

282

Always with the negative waves, Moriarity.

 

Posted by: Sgt. Oddball at May 19, 2012 03:29 PM (cjTjM)

 

 

Heh, it's been a long time since I've seen that.

283 Fail ambush 101 and the all the rules of gun-fighting simultaneously


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Rule #1: Don't bring Skittles and iced tea to a gun fight.

284 ...yet it appears that Trayvon managed to knockdown GZ and go to town on him without getting punched once in return. This strongly indicates GZ wasn't at all expecting a fight and Trayvon started one...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 19, 2012 02:15 PM (3aXbg)

There are indicators that Martin did plan his assault on Zimmerman - the button Z mentioned in his call to the cops and seen in the 7-11 video was recovered from Martin's pocket.

285
Does Obama look worried about the upcoming elections? Look at his lavish vacations, his limited work schedule, and those with whom he is working.
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I'd say that's a No. And I say again, he's on Prozac.

286 If I was George Zimmerman and his ENTIRE family, when we sued, we would want headsas part of the settlement.


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You sooo totally steered clear of the payback I thought you were going to demand.

287 If Team Obama is behind this then I expect that they weren't looking for full blown riots. More like turning the Florida Presidential vote into a Civil Rights Eleventy! Event for Dems. They need money, enthusiasm, etc. and crying "racism" has always worked before.

288 Well little miss "justice" - justice was served. One less druggie thug stalking the streets waiting for little old ladies to rob.

I will now list all the fucks I give about poor little dead Trayvon:

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289

O/T  Did the powerline blog guys get hired by FOX?  They have soccer with the Chelsea team on.  One of thise guys was a big fan. 

 

You think there would be a baseball game somewhere they could show?

290

Posted by: we need justice

Is being wrong a goal you set?

291
Haha, HotGas links to a Boston Globe our-tickle that says Lizzie Warren's Democrat opponent DeFranco is now hitting the Fauxcahontas.

292 No facts so far, just innuendo from the prosecutors. You can pretty much bet this is exactly what the prosecution will be based on, the fact that Zimmerman said something derogatory about black people maybe once or twice in his life. It worked for getting OJ off - this time it will work against Zimmerman. Again, sad, but true.

293

Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 03:38 PM (piMMO)

 

If need be, the money can always facilitate further sanctions. 

 

But it is better to break them, mock them, and remove their power and prestige.  It serves as encouragement for proper behavior by the survivors in the future. 

294 In every State where you are allowed to own a gun you can always open carry on your own property. As soon as someone takes them to court NYC will be legal too.

 

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2012 03:16 PM (YdQQY)

 

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I knew that that applied to 'home defense'....for your residence....but I didn't know that it applied to your whole property. ....Which could cover a wide area, if you own an acreage.

 

The new law here makes it legal to open carry on your private property, without a permit. ....Which is something new here. 

295 you should stick to chemistry, jeff.


There is a tidal wave coming, and you think your Logical Water Pail will help


it won't

296 There is a tidal wave coming You mean a tidal wave of horseshit? Your soaking in it.

297 The new law here makes it legal to open carry on yourprivate property, without a permit. ....Which is something new here.

Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 03:46 PM (dHMPi)

It should have already been legal.

298

Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 03:38 PM (piMMO)

If GZ wins one result could be good  A big enough $$ hit to the bottom line and MAYBE? the corporate boards will take an interest in the bias of the news divisions.

 

Not likely though.  Sulzberger seems perfectly willing to run the NYT into bankruptcy and oblivion. 

299 By the way, all this talk of conceal and carry laws, stand your ground laws and whatnot--if you're ever in a situation where you need to use your gun, you won't care what the law is.

300 If GZ wins one result could be good A big enough $$ hit to the bottom line and MAYBE? the corporate boards will take an interest in the bias of the news divisions. First step in fixing any problem is acknowledging there is a problem. The lamestream media hasn't, and most likely won't ever take that step. Until they do, they won't change. They will stay in their ivory tower, hiring only those that agree with the current group think, and deny that any problem exists. The guys that try to point out why ratings suck and circulation is so low will be given their walking papers post haste.

301
If GZ wins one result could be good A big enough $$ hit to the bottom line and MAYBE? the corporate boards will take an interest in the bias of the news divisions.
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I'd like to see GZ sue like mad and REFUSE TO SETTLE. Play the whole ugly mess out in a public trial with all those asshat producers and editors forced to explain their decisions to slice up the transcripts.

302

 Z Ryan at May 19, 2012 03:50 PM (tsC/

 

Z, even if you win the fight you lose something.  But it is better to survive. 

 

I would not want to be George Zimmerman, but if anything, his plight has pointed out to me that I need to be MORE involved. 

303

Posted by: rd at May 19, 2012 03:45 PM (9sUlj)

 

I wrote a blog post and linked it to Twitter.  Just said you were a commenter here who'd prefer to remain anonymous.  You're a great writer though.  The article gave me chillseven knowing that, in this case, it's fiction.

304 I'd like to see GZ sue like mad and REFUSE TO SETTLE. Play the whole ugly mess out in a public trial with all those asshat producers and editors forced to explain their decisions to slice up the transcripts. No legal expert here but I'm pretty sure it would be up to Zimmerman's lawyers in any civil suit to prove that the news media had displayed malice towards Zimmerman. If the lawyers can't prove that the news media acted with a specific and demonstrable intent to defame Zimmerman the case is pretty much dead in the water. They can be as wrong or as incompetent as they want, they are only open to a lawsuit if the plaintiff can prove they acted with a specific intent to harm or defame him, and that only works if he's not a public figure. It's total horseshit of course, but the news media is pretty much untouchable when it comes to stuff like this.

305 292
151
Here's the thing.....



In a Condo Complex...the grounds around the condos are considered
"common grounds", for which all the condo owners are expected to share
in the expenses of 'upkeep, maintenance and liability insurance'....

  Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 01:48 PM (dHMPi)   --------- 




The townhouses themselves have bona fide front, back, and side yards. These commons, roads, sidewalks, clubhouse are owned by the HOA corporation, which in turn is owned by the townhouse owners - one indivisible share per townhouse.

  Quite literally it is Zimmerman's property.

  As for Martin, he just knew somebody who knew somebody who lived there. It's not even clear if the people he knew were expecting him. (IOW, he may have engaged in criminal trespass with 'I'm going to visit...' as an alibi)

 

Posted by: Kermit at May 19, 2012 03:31 PM (7MFxV)

 

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Yeah. Thanks, Kermit.....that's what I was thinking too.

 

Which is why it makes me sick to hear these 'legal pundits' in the news saying that the 'Stand your Ground' statutes don't apply to Zimmerman.

 

If Z's attorney doesn't bring this up....then Z needs to get another lawyer. 

306

the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 03:53 PM (jTDjB)

 

Divide and conquer, settle with some of the lesser folks for $$ and then you are in a stronger position to go for the jugular with the worst of the worst.  Take NBC to trial and make the pain really hurt. 

307 Zimmerman's worst break was that his one shot killed Trayvon. I imagine he fired somewhat blindly (while his head was being dribbled on the sidewalk) and could have just as easily hit him in the shoulder or even the leg if Trayvon was kneeling to pin him. I have a feeling TM's story wouldn't have added up if he had lived to spin it.

308 If need be, the money can always facilitate further sanctions.

But it is better to break them, mock them, and remove their power and prestige. It serves as encouragement for proper behavior by the survivors in the future.


*****

nevermind.

309 It should have already been legal.

 

Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2012 03:48 PM (YdQQY)

 

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Yup. ....But we've had a Dem-stranglehold  on our state legislature for a long time. ....We've finally got an R-majority in both state houses, and a new R-governor who is very conservative. ....She has been busy since day one, signing things that we have needed for a long time. 

310 "Antowann Davis , Martha Jones"   ----google or bing it.  ---TrayVoNN lives

311

"it is better to break them, mock them, and remove their power and
prestige. It serves as encouragement for proper behavior by the
survivors in the future."

 

This is why I love you all so much. particularly the last sentence.

312

StuckOnStupid at May 19, 2012 03:57 PM (R5yLq)

 

GZ was a private citizen.  One of his claims could be that he no longer is a private citizen is BECAUSE of the media misinformation. 

 

And his family (and his lawyer too) can also sue based on the credible death threats received.  This whole thing has been ugly, and he needs to go for the throat to get moneyto protect his family and (for us) to prevent this from happening in the future. 

313

DALLAS – A Dallas man remains in jail after police say he randomly stabbed a shopper inside a Target store.

Police say Antowann Davis, 30, walked into the Target on Marsh Lane around 9:15 p.m. Thursday and took a butcher knife out of its packaging in the kitchen department.

Martha Jones, 29, said she was browsing inside the store when Davis walked past her and shoved the knife into her lower back.

“I felt something behind me,” said Jones, a Dallas-based lawyer, from her bed at Parkland Memorial Hospital. “He stabbed me in the back and kept walking.”

In every single one of these “random” attacks by blacks,—i.e., an attack on a stranger done for no other reason than to cause death or grievous bodily harm—the victim is white, and in a few cases Asian. Which means that the attacks are not random, doesn’t it?

314 Posted by: StuckOnStupid at May 19, 2012 03:57 PM
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The thing is, I think you could prove malice. You sure could make a damn good case for it if you could force those editors to justify their creative cutting.

315 Antowann
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That's all I need to see. Doomed at birth.

316 Zimmerman prolly touched him in a "bad place".

317 There are indicators that Martin did plan his assault on Zimmerman - the button Z mentioned in his call to the cops and seen in the 7-11 video was recovered from Martin's pocket.

 

Posted by: Kermit at May 19, 2012 03:37 PM (7MFxV)

 

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What was on that 'button'? ....Do we know? 

318 The thing is, I think you could prove malice. You sure could make a damn good case for it if you could force those editors to justify their creative cutting. Maybe so, like I said, not a legal beagle myself. I have a feeling it would be a serious, uphill battle and unless some conservative legal group would take it on pro-bono I doubt GZ could afford it.

319 I still say I want this done with not now, but in early October. 

I want a judge to do something that explodes the whole case against Z and sets him free as a bird.  Then I want the 2012 version of the Rodney King riots.

Just my opinion, but it will help the anti-Obama vote by a point or two, and every tenth of a point is sweet-tasting juice.

320 by a point or two, and every tenth of a point is sweet-tasting juice.

Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at May 19, 2012 04:11 PM (PH+2B)

tidal waves don't produce sweet-tasting juice.  ---Ask, and ye gonna reap 

321 Finally new post up.

322
>>292

...The townhouses themselves have bona fide front, back, and side yards. These commons, roads, sidewalks, clubhouse are owned by the HOA corporation, which in turn is owned by the townhouse owners - one indivisible share per townhouse.

Quite literally it is Zimmerman's property.

Most HOA corporations have their right-of-ways dedicated, which makes them public right-of ways. This shifts their maintenance costs from the HOA corporation to the local municipality. Some totally gated communities, however, retain corporate ownership. This sounds like what's going on in the Trayvon case but it's all speculation. Nobody I've read has published the particular HOA contract.

Your property ownership rights also vary from state to state.

323 What was on that 'button'? ....Do we know?

Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 04:09 PM (dHMPi)

Nope, Maybe a picture Farrakan...

Most HOA corporations have their right-of-ways dedicated, which makes them public right-of ways.

Real property records show the HOA as owner.

324

TheLittlShiningMan at May 19, 2012 04:11 PM (PH+2B)

 

There will be a lot of innocent people hurt if riots occur. 

 

That is why everyone needs to be smart and to be ready.  To minimize the damage, minimize the arson, beatings, rapes, robberies and murders. 

325 Antowann
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That's all I need to see. Doomed at birth.

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Shouldn't there be an apostrophe, or at least a Q, in that name somewhere?

326 332 Antowann
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That's all I need to see. Doomed at birth.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism!

Gloomy agreement.

What are these parents thinking? Name the kid Tom, or Bill or something. No one will notice or care. Name the kid some dreadfully spelled, made-up sounding thing, and I immediately assume the kid's headed for a horrible life and death.

327 http://tinyurl.com/83ggvby


"What is Corey's solution to curbing pretrial publicity? "I would say that nothing should be public until the trial comes," Corey told the forum.

That's the solution in a free society? I think she needs to have her head examined. She also sounds awfully defensive.

"Stop trying any of our cases in the media. Let us try them in the courtroom," she said Friday.

Which makes me wonder: Are you the right person for this job?"

328

Moral:

Don't bring Skittles to a gunfight

329

When's the Probable Cause hearing?

This whole thing is crap.

330 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

331 #31-- I know a longtime law-enforcement officer from Jville who knows Ms Corey very well. His estimation of her was dead on with Mandy P's. But her bizarre politicization of the case has been a shock to him, as well. Important to note that Rick Scott was ABSOLUTELY HATED by the GOP establishment here in FL (not to mention the Dhims), he is a truly courageous, talented outsider who I think did what he thought was necessary to preserve order & justice in Sanford. I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

332 Maybe late to the dance, but I can tell Mama AJ that there is NO NEED for criminal charges to be filed before a civil suit can proceed. Nope. However, if criminal charges ARE filed, this freezes any civil suit progress, until the criminal case is resolved. Maybe you got this confused?

333 Again, late, but manslaughter is NOT the same as Murder 2 or 3 in FL. It's under 782.07, NOT 782.04. http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/782.07

334

What was on that 'button'? ....Do we know?

Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 04:09 PM (dHMPi)

He was six-three, 140 pounds, and eating everything in sight, including his favorite fried chicken with french fries and large drink. He suffered from the death of an older mentor four years ago, and on the day he died he wore a button in remembrance of him.

"He has never been in trouble. He has never been arrested," Fulton said. "He has never been in a fight that I know of."

Posted by: Redbrow @ 9:59pm

 on JustOneMinute, today's "Beyond A Reasonable Doubt" story

335

For those thinking it's impossible to get a conviction on this case take a look at the OKC pharmacist who shot a robber, chased another one down the street, then came back, freaked out and then shot the kid 5 more times on the ground.

First degree murder conviction, now serving life in prison.

He was a loon, a bullshitter and he probably shouldn't have shot the kid again, but it sure as hell wasn't first degree homicide. It seemed like the system was more concerned about the racial aspects than actual justice. At the very worst it might have been manslaughter. Police are trained to deal with stressful situations, pharmacists aren't.