1 tx ace.

2 ROFL

3 Not an endorsement per se but this is certainly helpful --

@trscoop Right Scoop Sarah Palin: "Donald Trump has a lot to offer"

I hate the start of this year already.

Back to the R3VOLution nutters a/k/a OWS

4
Profile of a Ron Paul supporter:

Smartest guy at the town dump.

5 He and his son are a blight on the Republican Party and America

6 LUAP NOR!/?:&4!

7 Here is one of Ron Paul playing Ukulele. Damn he is good.

8 I don't support Ron Paul for his views on Jews and race, I support him for  his realist concepts on the gold standard and military non interventionism. That Jew and race stuff is just a bonus.

9 I would have figured you would hit this guy with the banhammer but I guess this is just as good.

Piss on this guy.

10
Ron Paul's ass has the look and feel of hand-tooled saddle leather.

11 While it's not fair to cast aspersions on a candidate based on their supporters, the case here is bulletproof. Paul is not just a kook; he is a "finder of meanings where there is no meaning." Are such people dangerous? Charles Manson was another such meaning-finder. And Manson, you'll recall, had Manson-bots. Just sayin'.

12 Is this a gated hebe community?

13 Seems to me anti-semitism is more of a liberal thing, why is Laup a Republican candidate?

14 Heh. Nice take down, Ace. Turns my stomach to read a brain dump from such a primitive mind.

15 So this is how we get our comments promoted to the front page! ...I know what I must do!

16 I'm a mathematician - I know exactly what the word "tautology" means.

Really?  So am I.  But I can smell bullshit too and I'm not buying it.

But by his logic, we are both the unabomber. Who was also a mathematician.

17 While it's not fair to cast aspersions on a candidate based on their supporters

Generally speaking, what's unfair about that? They flock to Candidate X for a reason. I think it speaks volumes.

18 Also: what the hell is a bulldyke?

19 Based upon PaulBots' trolling etiquette, I surmise the official phone script for answering the phone at RonPaulCampaign2012 is: "Ron Paul Presidential Campaign Headquarters, you're an a$$hole!"

20 I used to think there wasn't much anti-semitism in the U.S. Boy do I feel stupid.

21 Ron Paul and his followers are as bad as most leftists, they simplify problems in their head by refusing to accept reality. It's policy based on the concept of if we ignore the problem it goes away. It's not just foolish, it's dangerous.
All that with a dash of antisemitism, what's not to like?

22
what the hell is a bulldyke?

Rosie O'Donnell.

23 Lol audit the fed is a loser!!!!!!

24

This is by Ramesh Ponnuru in The Corner.

Jonah has previously linked to a Steve Horwitz post explaining the Ron Paul newsletters as the result of a strategic decision by some libertarians to reach out to the Right. ichael Dougherty makes the same point here.

Horwitz is interested in vindicating libertarianismÂ’s liberal heritage, so he only notes in passing that the strategy was a failure. But itÂ’s worth noting why it was a failure: because it grossly misunderstood conservatives, including cultural conservatives. Very few conservatives in politics in the 1990s trafficked in the kind of bigotry in which Ron Paul engaged, and very few conservative voters responded positively to it. Assuming the Horwitz-Dougherty story is correct, essentially Ron Paul adopted the same view of non-liberal voters Barack Obama famously expressed during the 2008 campaign: They voted anti-liberal because they were bitterly clinging to bigotry (among other things). The difference is that Paul decided that it followed that he should pander to that bigotry.

But like Obama, Paul was wrong.

25
what the hell is a bulldyke?

Janet Reno.

Hillary Clinton.

26 Also: what the hell is a bulldyke? See: Rachel Maddow

27 Do we get free foil hats?

28
what the hell is a bulldyke?

Noam Chomsky.

29 Janet napalitano is a bull dyke

30
Also: what the hell is a bulldyke?

Something like this...

31 Also: what the hell is a bulldyke?

unattractive, mannish, unpleasant woman. May or may not be hobosexual.


Janet Napolitano. Janet Reno. Hillary Clinton.

32 Thanks for clearing that up haha

33 20 I used to think there wasn't much anti-semitism in the U.S. Boy do I feel stupid.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2012 04:35 PM (ayEIA)

To be fair, most people voting for Ron Paul either are unaware of the anti-Semitism or willfully ignore it.  After all, the media doesn't say anything about it.

I think it's a travesty, but there it is.

34
what the hell is a bulldyke?

Bob Schieffer

35 1) Ron Paul has in the past refused to condemn this crap or the folks who spew it. Now that it is getting airtime, he tries to brush it off. Too little, too late. 2) Like I said, if you want to shut up Ron Paul, then go after Rand... He is giving his Dad a pass on this crap..UNACCEPTABLE. Blood ties does not excuse not condemning this bigotry.

36 Haha hobosexual

37 Dammit, there's always some punk-ass copycat tryin' to steal your stuff. And THIS one gets top billing. Man, am I pissed.

38 the reason I do this is that half of these guys have already been banned, but they just change their IP or use an anonymizer and come back. So, I can't actually stop them. But if they want to write here, I can make sure they get the full attention they seek.

39
what the hell is a bulldyke?

Jane Lynch

40 A bulldyke is just what it sounds like.

A male of the dyke species.  The female is obviously a cowdyke.  The children -- calfdykes.

41 The devils advocate here Israel can take care of itself as it has nukes Time to move on, our duty is done.

42
what the hell is a bulldyke?

Eleanor Roosevelt

Hazel the maid

43 The brainwashing techniques of the Cult of Paul are indeed effective. Ron Paul is the only one who has taken it to the national level, (and can save us.)

44

18 Also: what the hell is a bulldyke?

It's the one who wears the strap-on......to work.  .....You know, the pitcher, not the catcher.

45
...or these.

46
what the hell is a bulldyke?

Any woman who is a coach of a woman's basketball team.

47 what exactly is Republican about RP
I have found him to be a bigot, that mimics the Left.
I have found Him to be a truth, that mimics the left.
I have found him to despise military , which mimics the left
He speak of conservative only when gvt over-reach. which the left also does when a Republican is in,
RP does  it consistently , i'll give him that.
Lip service to overspending as He porks up when He can.
Why again is He allowed to be in the Republican Party when He himself is not aligned with Republicans?

48 I think some of those past writings that he signed should disqualify him in majority minds from running from POTUS... but then I thought those videos/writings of Obamas, few that we do have, should have disqualified him.  So either:

-there is two sets of rules one for republicans or one for democrats

-nope, guess thats the only rule

49 Let's not forget that libtards across Iowa are using the "open" caucuses to INFILTRATE the Republican vote.  And their chosen means of sabotaging the Republican Party is to support Ron Paul.

Also, he's the favorite candidate of the Iranian mullahs.

Join the Paul bandwagon if this is the company you want to keep, and if you want to see Toonces re-elected.

50 Like I said, if you want to shut up Ron Paul, then go after Rand... He is giving his Dad a pass on this crap..UNACCEPTABLE. Blood ties does not excuse not condemning this bigotry. Posted by: ER White at January 02, 2012 04:37 PM (6K81O) Yes I agree 100%

51
what the hell is a bulldyke?

Ed Schultz
Chris Matthews
Barbara Murkowski

52 truther*

53 I swear, if I was an alien facehugger I would not plant eggs in Kagen or Napolitano.

Shudder.

Also, Ron Paul is like a Keebler Elf who makes swastika shaped cookies.

54 I'm Jewish Irish. I like grape wine-flavored whiskey.

55 "A male of the dyke species.  The female is obviously a cowdyke.  The children -- calfdykes."

Put two of 'em in a Voyager and they're Van Dykes.

56 Heil Paul! Hmm,doesn't really work somehow.

57 To be fair, most people voting for Ron Paul either are unaware of the anti-Semitism or willfully ignore it.  After all, the media doesn't say anything about it.

And in the case of Iowa, while you have to be registered as Republican to vote tomorrow, anyone can register on the spot.

So it will be interesting to see how many vote just for the chance to cast their ballot for their favorite anti-Semitic nutter butter.

58 My wife is cooking tonight. If I had any guts I'd order in from the local pizza joint

59 A bulldyke Luap-supporter would probably wear a foil hat with a Unicorn horn on it.

60 We - Real Republicans-- have to take back our Primaries. These "open" primaries are for the birds and trouble makers

61 Slightly OT:

Is this for real?

Mittens has gone pro-choice again?

62 I keep meeting Ron Paul supporters lately. They all seem to have a problem with doing their laundry.

63 Posted by: Joe Mama at January 02, 2012 04:43 PM (dOsjQ) --- No way.

64
Haiku to Laup Nor:

All Jews are evil
The Gold in Fort Knox is Gone
Where's my tinfoil hat?

65

Is this a good post/thread for embedding/attaching a clip of Bruno's attempt to interview/seduce Ron Paul (whom he refers to as RuPaul)?

Bruno does have some choice thoughts about Jews, so maybe apropos...

66 Slightly OT: Is this for real? Mittens has gone pro-choice again? Posted by: Joe Mama at January 02, 2012 04:43 PM (dOsjQ) I have no idea what so ever but I count it very much

67
Prepare yourselves.

Ron Paul is gonna place 2nd tomorrow in IA.

68 13 Seems to me anti-semitism is more of a liberal thing, why is Laup a Republican candidate?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 02, 2012 04:31 PM (PddVe)

 

Because today's democrat is even too moonbatty for Laup- at least in his mind.

69 20 I used to think there wasn't much anti-semitism in the U.S. Boy do I feel stupid. Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2012 04:35 PM (ayEIA) My mother, of blessed memory, survived Mauthausen and 2 death marches. As a teen in the early 70's, she would always tell me that the world in general hates Jews and always will. I used to tell her to lighten up when some Joo-hatred reared its ugly head. "This is 1974, ma! The world is different now." Boy was she ever right. She passed away last February and one of the last things she had to endure was the rape/assault of the CBS reporter in Cairo. That brought back all the angst and fear of her youth and experiences. Anyone who supports Ron Paul is a blinking philistine pig-ignorant momzer.

70 Prepare yourselves. Ron Paul is gonna place 2nd tomorrow in IA. ---- And then what? But seriously, what the fuck is with that Romney ad? It can't be real.

71 I think I now understand how a girl in the backseat with her aggressive boyfriend might feel. Torn between what's right and what feels good.

72 No way in hell would I vote for Ron Paul. It disturbs me that I've met some of his supporters and they are shocked at some of the things Paul has said or done and they had no idea until I pointed it out to them. Even then they are willing to look past it because he's the oracle or something.

73 I have no idea what so ever but I count it very much Posted by: nevergiveup at January 02, 2012 04:46 PM (eCnLg) Shit that is doubt very much

74
My predictions:

Romney: 26%
Paul: 24%
Santorum: 13%
Newt: 12%
Perry: 11%
Huntsman: 9%
Bachmann: 5%

75 Awesome.

This is precisely why I'm a loyal AoSHQ reader in spite of the recent rash of non-stop open post threads, NFL threads, and cheer-leader elbow bashing threads. (What is with the hating on pointy elbows? I don't get that at all.)

Anyways... Ace, you can count that throat properly slit.

76 Just like you can pretty accurately count Obama votes by counting VW's and Subarus, you can count Paul votes pretty accurately by counting overweight men in dirty overalls with no shirt on.

77 61 Slightly OT:

Is this for real?

Mittens has gone pro-choice again?

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 02, 2012 04:43 PM (dOsjQ)

That's a Ron Paul supporter fake commercial. How did you find it?

78 to be sure Elena Kagan and her elitist Harvard can be blamed for so much of our collective unhappiness, it's just that I'd rather blame east coast elitism over one particular faith or heredity. It's sort of like the all terrorists and muslims conundrum. Sorry but it is.

79
That's not a legit campaign ad.

It's a spliced and diced mash-up of Mitt.

80 If Ron Paul wins the nom, Obama will win the general. The MSM will be sure to highlight the anti-semite stuff and scare independents back to Obama.

81 Gawd I love you, Ace.

82 Is this for real?

Mittens has gone pro-choice again?

I got a feeling whoever made that commercial is going to be defending himself in a lawsuit, a lawsuit he'll lose.

83
Ron Paul will not win the nom.

84 41 - The problem with that argument is that it STARTS with Israel. If you want to have a conversation about our no-longer-useful foreign aid commitments, we could do that, but it seems to me Israel is the one place where we mostly still get bang for our buck! Last I heard we were still giving money to Egypt. So make a list of how much money we give all countries and why, when we get done chopping off aid to all the third world dictators and place where we're trying to hold the Soviet Union at bay, we'll consider Israel last. Okay?

85 Over at RedState, Erick hits Santorum over his comments about what America needs in a President. Pretty funny.

86 82 If Ron Paul wins the nom, Obama will win the general. The MSM will be sure to highlight the anti-semite stuff and scare independents back to Obama. Posted by: CDR M at January 02, 2012 04:51 PM (Ybl9g) If ROP wins the nomination we'll be referring to him as the Deacon and waiting and praying for the Kevin Costner character with gills to save us.

87 I used to say I would vote for Paul over Obama. I don't think so anymore. I would just stay home if the Repubs are insane enough to nominate Paul.

88
You know who this benefits?

Mitt Romney. (heh).

No, really. Just the threat of Ron Paul as the face of the GOP in '12 makes Mitt look like our great white hope.

89 ROP lol. religion of Paul. I meant RP.

90

That's a Ron Paul supporter fake commercial. How did you find it?

Posted by: lowandslow at January 02, 2012 04:49 PM (GZitp)

Someone posted the link commenting over at HA.

That's not a legit campaign ad.

It's a spliced and diced mash-up of Mitt.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 02, 2012 04:51 PM (uap0L)

Whew. Thanks for the clarification. I thought it looked a little amateurish for Romney's crew.

91

Wait, wait, wait.  Ron Paul's not Jew!?!? Why the hebe didn't someone tell me sooner?  I'm so glad that there's one candidate who isn't a "neo-con" (IYKWIMAITYD).

He's got my vote.

92 - When the Going Gets Weird. The Weird Turn Pro. -

93

"To be fair, most people voting for Ron Paul either are unaware of the anti-Semitism or willfully ignore it. After all, the media doesn't say anything about it."

Not yet. If things go completely FUBAR at the convention and Paul gets the nomination, you better believe this stuff will be front page and lead off story on every "news" program daily until the election.

94 what the hell is a bulldyke?

Jane Lynch

Posted by: soothsayer at January 02, 2012 04:38 PM (uap0L)

Nah, she's actually attractive.

95
I don't even think she's funny.

96 So the question I have is this: If Ron Paul's not actually anti-semitic, and he didn't write his anti-semitic newsletters, why do so many anti-semites rally around him?

If Ron Paul isn't anti-Semitic and disavows what was published in his newsletters under his name, sometimes in the first person purporting to be written by him, shouldn't he rid himself of the millions of tainted dollars he made off that filth?

I suggest a lump-sum contribution to the Anti-Defamation League.

97 ^{2) Like I said, if you want to shut up Ron Paul, then go after Rand... He is giving his Dad a pass on this crap..UNACCEPTABLE. Blood ties does not excuse not condemning this bigotry.}

^{Posted by: ER White at January 02, 2012 04:37 PM (6K81O)}

Damn. That's to bad. I kinda like a lot of the things he's said since getting in the Senate.

98 Nice, Ace!...this almost makes up for the recycled cheerleader from an earlier thread...almost.

99

Not yet. If things go completely FUBAR at the convention and Paul gets the nomination, you better believe this stuff will be front page and lead off story on every "news" program daily until the election.

That's obvious, and the best reason to think that that demonic little fucker isn't going to get anywhere close to the nomination.  Iowa is no form of bellweather-- Huckabee won it last time, didn't he?

100
There's only so much of that half-scripted wacky dialogue shit I can take.

yeah, Best in Show was funny

But the Mighty Winds was fuggin dumb.

101 >>>This is precisely why I'm a loyal AoSHQ reader in spite of the recent rash of non-stop open post threads, NFL threads, and cheer-leader elbow bashing threads. I feel bad about this but come on, this isn't a corporation. People need time off.

102 I think Ron is funny because he thinks war is a waste of money Ron, you fool, war is a job creator

103 The fact that the GOP hasn't specifically and categorically disassociated its brand from that of Ron Paul is a further demonstration of just how clueless, intimidated, and easily befuddled they are about all things media.

104
And I started watching Curb Your Enthusiasm. Got sick of it after the 4th season.

The improv gets old after a while.

105 The cool thing about Ron Paul is the more cultists he has the less likely he is to win anything.

106 Ace, is there anyone who does not have a mental problem who at this time could seriously consider Paul a contender and or plausible candidate?

He's such a joke that here is Virginia, barring some alteration of the ballot situation,  a vote for Paul can mean only one thing,  a vote for Not-Romney and humiliation for anyone who helped create that kind of dichotomy in choice for Virginia voters.

In that context ( the one of limited ballot choice) the only possible meaning of a good showing for Paul is the desire to spoil Romney's coronation and keep hope alive for the likes of Gingrich and Perry.

I'm actually planning a vote for the insane person in the Virginia primary.  That's because everyone except people with deficits in semantic cognition and set shifting (humorless schizophrenics) knows hes a useless old crank who will never be the nominee.

107 Are the terms "Jewess" and "Negress" considered archaic, like "Aviatrix"?  Heck, you don't hear "Actress" all that much anymore.

108 Not yet. If things go completely FUBAR at the convention and Paul gets the nomination, you better believe this stuff will be front page and lead off story on every "news" program daily until the election. Posted by: Terentia at January 02, 2012 04:56 PM (9pZjZ) While it seems all politicians have skeletons in the closet, not all of them have a nuke in the closet. It would be like doing a favor to the MFM to nominate him. Even if it wasn't for the fact that he's just a bad choice.

109 @trscoop Right Scoop Sarah Palin: "Donald Trump has a lot to offer"

I hate the start of this year already.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 02, 2012 04:27 PM (pLTLS)

I watched this Fox News interview: the context was Sarah Palin telling Trump and every other potential spoiler not to run third party, as that would only help re-elect Obama.

110

ButÂ…butÂ…Ron Paul didnÂ’t quit halfway through a governorship, so how bad could he be?

111 And I started watching Curb Your Enthusiasm. Got sick of it after the 4th season.

The improv gets old after a while.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 02, 2012 04:58 PM (uap0L)

This past season was actually pretty good, with Larry getting chased out of LA and NYC.

 

The fuck-seat bit was particularly hysterical.

112
Anybody watch The League?

It's a show about a group of guys in fantasy football league. It's half scripted. It has its funny moments but the improv gets old fast.

113 61 Slightly OT:

Is this for real?

Mittens has gone pro-choice again?

Posted by: Joe Mam

No, its a fake.  A mash-up of some real commercials with some old stuff and random feminazi footage.  Pretty clever, whoever did it.

 

Coincidentally . . . Newt Gingrich is apparently rolling out some ads that hit Mitt for past major support for abortion.

Heh, heh, heh.  All these politicians suck, but at least when they do dirty tricks they are entertaining.

114 Are the terms "Jewess" and "Negress" considered archaic, like "Aviatrix"?  Heck, you don't hear "Actress" all that much anymore.

Posted by: Ombudsman at January 02, 2012 05:00 PM (AxHOT)

Or just racist.

115 The even funnier thing is, we keep asking "why do they support this nut paul" when the answer is right here in front of us.

116
The last episode of the 4th season was really good.

Larry was in RENT and I was really impressed with his acting, singing, and dancing.

117 109 Are the terms "Jewess" and "Negress" considered archaic, like "Aviatrix"?

Posted by: Ombudsman at January 02, 2012 05:00 PM (AxHOT)

 

Yes, and deeply offensive to boot.

118

I watched this Fox News interview: the context was Sarah Palin telling Trump and every other potential spoiler not to run third party, as that would only help re-elect Obama.

Posted by: stuiec at January 02, 2012 05:00 PM (PcAXh)

Gee, such a shocker that people on Twitter were taking it out of context.

119 So that means my choice for the GOP candidate is between an antiSemite nutcase or a crony-capitalist-statist? Thanks Virginia!

120 Yeah I went to an Occupy event yesterday. Lots of Paul supporters. I asked them about the newsletters, and they just came out and said that they didn't care. Unbelievable.

121
It's his wife on the show. Cheryl.

Can't stand her.

122 Over at RedState, Erick hits Santorum over his comments about what America needs in a President. Pretty funny.

Posted by: Joffen at January 02, 2012 04:53 PM (zLeKL)

“We’re not looking for a chief executive officer. We’re looking for a commander in chief.”

Certainly he is the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Military, but for the nation as a whole, he is the Chief Executive.

Weak on Erick's part.

123 The Lefty Ron Paulbots are all butt-hurt that people are calling them on their foolish hypocrisy:
"I'm RACIST for criticizing Obama
TERRORIST because I'm not with Bush
ANTISEMITIC for not supporting Israel
TEABAGGER for supporting the Constitution
TRUTH-ER for asking unanswered questions
TRAITOR for whistle-blowing on my corrupt government
CONSPIRACY THEORIST for presenting documented facts
TROLL for uploading news, videos, quotes and U.S. atrocities
ANTI-AMERICAN for supporting Constitutionalists like Ron Paul"They can dish it out but they can't take it.

124

Yes, and deeply offensive to boot.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 02, 2012 05:02 PM (sEvRn)

Doesn't mean anything to the Luap Norians.

They are about as reasonable as the idiots who believe in "Niribu" or that Betelgeuse will go nova or that the earth's polarity will reverse.

 

125 @Soothsayer "the improv gets old fast" has a nice ring as a catch-phrase.

126 No, really. Just the threat of Ron Paul as the face of the GOP in '12 makes Mitt look like our great white hope.

Posted by: soothsayer

This.

This is how Mitt will play it.

Anti-semitism always shows up when people feel they've been backed into a corner by their own stupidity and need to find a scapegoat. The Jews are never numerous outside of Israel and parts of NYC, so their prominence in the Media, Banking, Science. etc.  which is 'way larger than their percentage of the population ALWAYS makes them scapegoats.

It's even worse in the Middle East because not only are Arabs under educated as a whole, but they are saddled with a retrograde and reactionary set of religious beliefs that always encourages them to make the wrong choices.  So it must be the fault of the Jews.

It's also the same thing in Massachusetts.  All their problems are the fault of Republicans, an almost extinct species in that state.

And Ron Paul? Fuck that guy. He and his maniacs are going to give the Republican Party a really bad name.  Just wait until the convention and see the ruckus his delegates start up. 

127 I used to think there wasn't much anti-semitism in the U.S.

Someone needs to listen to more NPR.

128 @18-1: I thought it was pretty clever. Oh well, it doesn't matter because Santorum's not gonna be our guy.

129 Anyone notice all the chemtrails yesterday?

Got my vinegar ready to go.

130 It's his wife on the show. Cheryl.

Can't stand her.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 02, 2012 05:03 PM (uap0L)

She's gone in the last season.

 

131 Screw you Ron Paul, time to bomb Iran. We need the stimulus.

132 Paul is not wining the nomination, not even close. He just makes us all look bad distracts from the main message: to get rid of obama

133 ANTI-AMERICAN for supporting Constitutionalists like Ron Paul

Funny, a couple of years ago the same people were saying that being a 'constitutionalist' meant you wanted slavery, Jim Crow, and anti-miscegenation laws back.

134
She's gone in the last season.

As in dead? How sad. Maybe I will resume viewing the show.

135
Screw you Ron Paul, time to bomb Iran. We need the stimulus.

I really dig your subtlety. But if you have something to say, say it.

136 #129 is a really good post.

The parallels to Massachusetts and Republicans are apt.

Compare also the "99%" business.

137 @18-1: I thought it was pretty clever. Oh well, it doesn't matter because Santorum's not gonna be our guy.

Posted by: Joffen at January 02, 2012 05:05 PM (zLeKL)

Most people would not call the President of the United States a "CEO" so Erick's point is a lot of "meh"

138 I suggest a lump-sum contribution to the Anti-Defamation League. Posted by: stuiec at January 02, 2012 04:56 PM (PcAXh) I have my issues with the ADL. Abe Foxman is a Dem/Lib who had "concerns" over the Tea Party yet was all but silent during the OWS Joo-hate outbursts. Better you should give to Jewish War Veterans or the Museum of Tolerance. Full disclosure: I am a member-of-tribe.

139 Funny, a couple of years ago the same people were saying that being a 'constitutionalist' meant you wanted slavery, Jim Crow, and anti-miscegenation laws back.

Posted by: nickless at January 02, 2012 05:07 PM (MMC8r)

Well lets not dance around it, a solid third of Paul's wacko base would love for folks like me to be in jail for "betraying my race".

We would do a service to ourselves to just highlight their own wacko beliefs and deflate this ancient, rambling loon before he can do any more damage.

140
All their problems are the fault of Republicans, an almost extinct species in that state.

Still can't believe Deval got another term. Thank you, Tim Cahill, you douch, you.

141 There are 2 choices, we can build roads or make war. Fk you Ron Paul, we love war. Damn you to hell.

142 Are the terms "Jewess" and "Negress" considered archaic, like "Aviatrix"?

Posted by: Ombudsman at January 02, 2012 05:00 PM (AxHOT)

Yes, and deeply offensive to boot.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 02, 2012 05:02 PM (sEvRn)

There's absolutely nothing wrong with those words in themselves. Saying that someone is a Jewess is just the same as saying she is a Jewish woman. We need to have words to describe and differentiate people. I don't look forward to the day when everyone is an "it" because any descriptive is racist/sexist/age-ist/species-ist/...

But if the term is used in a way such that it is assumed to be derogatory, that's where the racism/anti-semitism comes in. If you can read into what someone is saying and it comes out more like "She's a (dirty) Jewess" or "She's a Jewess (and all that that implies, wink, wink)" then you've got the situation that arose in the original comment that prompted this post. And was subsequently confirmed in follow-up comments.

143
We should bomb the Moon.
Because we can.

144 Fk you Ron Paul, we love war. Damn you to hell.

Posted by: Reckoner at January 02, 2012 05:13 PM (vZQGS)

Ron Paul loves war. So long as its racial and "he gets out there ahead of it".

145 Audit the Fed is a rabid idea-log, that should be flushed.

146 144

Oh, Ron Paul loves war.  He's a big national defense he-man.  He's just not going to do it until it's far too late, so it can be a symbolic act that will ultimately fail like the rest of Ron Paul's career.

147

148
Every morning I wake up and say, "Today is a good day to attack some Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East."

And then I check the price of Raytheon's stock.

149 I would have sworn at least one Paul supporter would have shown up and defended his man. It really does fucking sting.

150 Put two of 'em in a Voyager and they're Van Dykes.

I can't quite put my finger in it.

151 MSM is trying to credit Ron Paul's "surge" to Tea Party support. BULLSHIT!!!

152 I have my issues with the ADL. Abe Foxman is a Dem/Lib who had "concerns" over the Tea Party yet was all but silent during the OWS Joo-hate outbursts.

Better you should give to Jewish War Veterans or the Museum of Tolerance.

Full disclosure: I am a member-of-tribe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2012 05:11 PM (UlUS4)

The ADL is the AFL -- the Abe Foxman League.  Abe does really sleazy fundraising by ginning up Republican-hatred and it gets him a position in the Democratic hierarchy.

153 Since I wasn't raised Jewish, when I went to Israel and met my greataunt, I listened to her. She used the term "Jewess". Also I read a lot of old books. They used it too. Then I went back to the group I was with and tried it on. I got smacked down with pretty much the same language: that I wouldn't say "negress" (and they're right, I really wouldn't).

So I don't think either one is "deeply" offensive; they're just descriptors. Except ... that they evoke the 1920s and 1930s. Which were not wonderful decades for blacks and Jews, respectively.

It's probably a good idea to put your head up and hear what people say now, rather than read about what they said in the Taft Administration.

As for this guy: it's more how he says it than what he says. He's a creep. if he said "I like puppies", I'd report him to the ASPCA.

154 Ron Paul sucks He hates wars on foreign soil He hates the war on drugs He hates Gods gift for keeping us chaste Fk you Ron Paul

155 Q:  what the hell is a bulldyke?

A:  A woman that rolls her own tampons, and kick starts her vibrator.

156 Dammit. Whenever I put a few beers in the crisper drawer of the fridge they almost freeze. I like cold beer, but not 32 degrees cold.

157 No, I'm not a fucking Cambodian!

158 76 Awesome.

This is precisely why I'm a loyal AoSHQ reader in spite of the recent rash of non-stop open post threads, NFL threads, and cheer-leader elbow bashing threads. (What is with the hating on pointy elbows? I don't get that at all.)

Anyways... Ace, you can count that throat properly slit.

Posted by: Ryt at January 02, 2012 04:48 PM (8oezN)

Helloooo Ryt!

Wavin' at ya!

159 What the heck is an anonymizer? Also, magnets. How the fuck do they work?

160 145 beat me to it

161 152 I would have sworn at least one Paul supporter would have shown up and defended his man. It really does fucking sting.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 02, 2012 05:16 PM (GZitp)

"Reckoning" is doing some passive-aggressive shit.

And the usual Paulestinian two-step. You find Paulian racism, they accuse you of supporting war. Non-sequitur is the closest Paulestinians come to direct argument.

162 "I may go back into this solid citizen's previous comments, which I think were pretty much about how blacks are inferior and we need laws which reflect/announce this." Really? Was it posting under a different handle? I hadnt seen it until today.

163 Dear sweet AoS commenters not knowing bulldyke. The girl who wears the strap-on is the bulldyke. Not all of them look like Rosie OD. Some are hot as hell. Don't ask me how I know. Visit Delaware sometime for instruction in the various types of lesbians. Also, I need a ruling on the proper pronunciation of hebe. Is it HeeBee? Or Heeb? I vote for Heeb.

164 Not that there's anything wrong with Cambodians.  Just sayin'.

165 There are 2 choices, we can build roads or make war.

Missed those "This Highway Project Brought to You by the Stimulus" signs, did you?

166 Roses are red, Violets are blue, Vinegar cleans chemtrails And I hate JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs!

167 Luap Nor, #160: So, are ya Chinese, or Japanese?

168 Audit the Fed is a rabid idea-log, that should be flushed.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman

I don't think it is a bad idea to have an audit of the Federal Reserve, but where does that lead?

There was a very good lead article in PJ Media by David Goldman (aka "Spengler") about this and a lot of back and forth in the comments.

Paul's idea is to audit and embarrass the Fed and prod the Congress to radically modify or revoke it's charter. To be frank, the last few years have seen the Fed vastly exceed its charter, and acting in ways in which it shouldn't. They just have to get it back under control and have a Congress that actually does its job - like pass a budget (which they haven't done going on something like 1000 days).

169 157

Loves those earmarks, though.

170 He's Laotian!

171 Vote for Paul or Obama and you hate this country with reckless abandon.  May you find yourself with a one way ticket to communist China and no way home.

172 I won a Luap Nor lookalike contest.

173 Visit Delaware sometime for instruction in the various types of lesbians.

Also, I need a ruling on the proper pronunciation of hebe.

Is it HeeBee? Or Heeb? I vote for Heeb.

Posted by: dr kill at January 02, 2012 05:20 PM (ELPgk)

Visit Hymie-Town for instructiation..

.. on pronunciation.

You're welcome.

174 Excellent Ace, excellent.

175 127 They are about as reasonable as the idiots who believe in "Niribu" or that Betelgeuse will go nova or that the earth's polarity will reverse.

Last I read, Betelgeuse is indeed in that last million of its years and is the sort of monster star that goes Type II nova. Although I don't spend all night worrying about it

176

The best way to screw with a Paulian is to tweek their comments juuuuust a little bit. After the second time, they start seizing and foaming about "hiding the truth" and "silencing the opposition". It is really quite a display, like one of those Hognose Snakes that shake, shit themselves, roll over and play dead if you kick em.

177 Evewybody wuvth fudge.  (Packing.)

178 I like cold beer, but not 32 degrees cold.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 02, 2012 05:19 PM (hiMsy)

The worst is when the beer freezes into a quasi-slushy consistency where it's not drinkable yet the CO2 slowly releases and causes the beer to dribble out of the opening.

Sends me into a rage, actually.

179 Doctor Doctor What a mess! Elena Kagan's a Jewess! And a bulldyke, What a crime! She might steal my silver dimes!

180 They are about as reasonable as the idiots who believe in "Niribu" or that Betelgeuse will go nova or that the earth's polarity will reverse.

But Betelgeuse will go supernova, probably sometime in the next million years. Polarity reversal should happen eventually too, at least I don't know of any reason it should stop periodically reversing.

181

Last I read, Betelgeuse is indeed in that last million of its years and is the sort of monster star that goes Type II nova. Although I don't spend all night worrying about it

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at January 02, 2012 05:24 PM (QQAJP)

Try in the last few thousand. Betelgeuse will probably explode in an awesome spectacle in the next 100,000 years, tops. It is already shedding off mass. However it is far too far away, and not polar-ly aimed, to do anything but wow us.

 

Frankly I wish it would go kabloowie. No fair that the ancient Chinese and medieval Europeans got to see a spectacular boom and we miss out.

Eta Carinae might be aimed our way, but its even further away.

182 "Also, magnets. How the fuck do they work?" LOL. But seriously, TOR. I hear the US Navy uses it, but you have figured out how to thwart it?

183 Don't worry, folks, I'm not going supernova anytime soon.

You're welcome.

184 Will Iowa be the new Jonestown? How many Paulbots live/moved there?
I think the pollsters will be shamed by a low Paul showing, even though they tried to Puff this Paul POS.

185 "Reckoning" is doing some passive-aggressive shit.

The passive part is Ron Paul foreign policy.  The aggressive part is that right-wing hippie thing that Ace was talking about.

The shit is their breath.

What Reckoner is trying to say is to give them the Jews and maybe they'll kill us last.  He's just too shy to say it.

186 Ron Paul is gonna place 2nd tomorrow in IA.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 02, 2012 04:46 PM (uap0L)

Yet another reason to permanently end Iowa's first place position in the primaries.

187 Goddamn, I'm bored.

188 156 - When I used to read Jeff Goldstein's Protein Wisdom regularly... (is it even still there?) he would often write about this type of thing. If I recall, Jeff's perspective was to vehemently argue for the right of the writer to determine the meaning of the words he/she chooses. Specifically, there were arguments in the media over things like "tar baby" and "niggardly" and how the ignorant were trying to determine meaning beyond the intent of the writer. I think Jeff's point was that we have to have a certain amount of courage about these things, and to stick to our principles as much as possible. Me, I'd sorta take your approach, I guess. If everyone around me was getting bent out of shape over my use of a term, I wouldn't keep insisting I have a right to use it, because I don't mean offense in MY use of the term. If there's another way to describe something as being "niggardly," I'd say go ahead and find that way to describe it. It's not worth fighting over, because even if your use has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, you are going to be accused of it anyway. Why give your opponents a weapon, even one forged in their own ignorance, to use against you?

189 Incidentally, isn't "prose poem" kind of an oxymoron?  I dunno.  Much like Les Claypool, poetry and prose aren't my bag.

190 Exactly ErikW. This beer is just shy of that state but if I don't move the others soon, my fate is sloppy slush.

191

There are 2012ers out there who are trying to single out Betelgeuse (just check out YouTube). There is absolutely NO way to tell when a star 600 light years away is going to experience core-collapse. First, the light we get is 600 years in the past anyway, also we just started developing the sophisticated method of imaging stars (as in actually seeing their surface details). Betelgeuse was the first, which is how we discovered the nebulae around it (hydrogen gas streaming away from it.).

This is a prime example though of how people will latch on the totally impossible (then try to defend their warnings by quoting that asian guy with the awesome hair on The Universe or that white guy with toupee-like hair on Through the Wormhole about hypotheticals, then subbing in exact dates).

192 I feel bad about this but come on, this isn't a corporation. People need time off.

Posted by: ace at January 02, 2012 04:57 PM

Omg. I come out from my lurking rock just the one time and Ace answers me. And I made him feel bad. So didn't mean for that. Imma crawl back under my rock.

But I seriously want to know whats up with the pointy elbow complaints. And I know Pecos <waves back at Pecos> wants to know about the elbows too. We just don't understand.

193 The key question is what does Ron Paul plan to do about the fucking Irish?

194 Anti-semitism is a litmus test for stupidity.  Any nitwit, misfuck and born loser who doesn't have the honesty or balls to take repsonsibility for his own failures - blame it on da Jooooooos!!

195 "What Reckoner is trying to say is to give them the Jews and maybe they'll kill us last. " The Jewish, as in Israel, can take care of themselves. They have nukes. No one will ever fuck with them ever again on an existential scale.

196 By the way, if you have a modest telescope, you can actually "see" the swelling of Betelgeuse. While you still get a point of light, you may notice the color changes slightly. With very high powered instruments you can actually see it "bubble". That is a star in its death throes.

197

Audit the Fed is the name of the Jew-hating Paultard that this thread is about.

Sure, audit the Federal Reserve. Do it in spite of Ron Paul, not because of him.

198 "There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures...

And the Jooooooooos."

199 198

So you are saying that.

Thanks.

200 She's a jewess.

AND a bulldyke.



Behold: The power of persuasion.

201 Little black helicopters Fly over your town Spraying out chemtrails Up high and down Changing your brainwaves How to make them stop? Oh, look! There's a black man. Better call the cops.

202 166 Also, I need a ruling on the proper pronunciation of hebe.

Is it HeeBee? Or Heeb? I vote for Heeb.

Posted by: dr kill at January 02, 2012 05:20 PM (ELPgk)

It is pronounced "Hay-bay." Eta with rough breathing, beta, eta. That is the way the ancient Greeks pronounced it, anyhow.

Hypothetically, if it meant to indicate a Jew, I'd pronounce it "heeb." I am sure no one would be stupid enough to use the name of a pagan Greek goddess as racial slur, however.

203 Anybody else remember the "Jewess Jeans" commercial on Saturday Night Live?

Jesus fuck, I'm old.

204 all ron paul supporters are insane...just like the nutjob himself.....and there is not exception to the rule.....

205 There is a jewish blogger LeahB whose blog is Vicious Babushka. She used to be a conservative postet on freeper ad Alouette, but went to the dark side due to Ron Paul Nazis. If anti semites wonder why more jews font votr Right, just look in the mirror

206 The Jewish, as in Israel, can take care of themselves.

They have nukes.

No one will ever fuck with them ever again on an existential scale.

Posted by: Reckoner at January 02, 2012 05:33 PM (vZQGS)

 

Thus illustrates the utter stupidity of a Paultard when it comes to the intentions of radical Islam.

207 I think the Jewish are the hardest working people I know

208 I am merely observing the untidy little factoidal tautology which is that 90%+ of all jews support [enthusiastically] the bolshevik-nihilist assault on the foundations of Western Civilization.

"Factoid" is a term coined by Norman Mailer in 1973 which means a fabrication or untruth accepted as a fact after it appears in print. Therefore this sentence means that the claim made against Jews is a lie.

Ron Paul supporters are really smart.

209 Anybody else remember the "Jewess Jeans" commercial on Saturday Night Live?

Jesus fuck, I'm old.

Posted by: meekrob at January 02, 2012 05:37 PM (/0HuL)

Gilda Radner was a genius.

210 200 Do it in spite of Ron Paul, not because of him.

This. I'd like to see this applied across the board. Right after Helen Thomas sexually harasses him, although of course I wouldn't want to be there to watch.

211 er, sock.

212 lol- well played, sir.

213 195 - Re: pointy elbows... assume you were to see said hot chick in real life. What are your options? Go up to her and try to win her favor or sit where you are and find some extraordinarily lame reason for NOT approaching her? The latter is more likely to result in you maintaining some small amount of your dignity.

214 210 I think the Jewish are the hardest working people I know

Posted by: Reckoner at January 02, 2012 05:39 PM (vZQGS)

WTF?

215 "Thus illustrates the utter stupidity of a Paultard when it comes to the intentions of radical Islam." The Paultards are as dumb as the commie lovers under Reagan. You nailed it.

216 Just rotated beers into main body of fridge, life may continue as usual.

217 This is a prime example though of how people will latch on the totally impossible

Ohhh. You mean things they think are going to end the world in 2012. I'd love to see the Betelgeuse supernova, it'd be spectacular and about as close to risk free as you can get in a supernova and still have it impressive to the naked eye.

Anyway, why go 600 ly for a disaster when there's a perfectly good supervolcano right in your own back yard? Or Nemesis, at least that's not as goofy as Nibiru.

218
This Ron Paul supporter immediately compares that rules to Nazi classifications, and finds the Nazis wanting on that score.





Nino - Nazi in Name Only.....

219 Ron Paul wants people to take care of their own selves. Shame on him.

220 The Paultards are as dumb as the commie lovers under Reagan. You nailed it.

Posted by: Reckoner at January 02, 2012 05:44 PM (vZQGS)

Nice try, dickhead. The muslims will stone your wife and kids to death and slit your throat last.

221 "There are 2012ers out there who are trying to single out Betelgeuse (just check out YouTube). There is absolutely NO way to tell when a star 600 light years away is going to experience core-collapse. First, the light we get is 600 years in the past anyway, also we just started developing the sophisticated method of imaging stars (as in actually seeing their surface details). Betelgeuse was the first, which is how we discovered the nebulae around it (hydrogen gas streaming away from it.). This is a prime example though of how people will latch on the totally impossible (then try to defend their warnings by quoting that asian guy with the awesome hair on The Universe or that white guy with toupee-like hair on Through the Wormhole about hypotheticals, then subbing in exact dates)." Thank God you only said it twice! Don't say his name three times.

222 The Paultards are as dumb as the commie lovers under Reagan. You nailed it.

Posted by: Reckoner at January 02, 2012 05:44 PM (vZQGS)

No, I believe the Paultards have achieved a level of stupidity and self-deception unrivalled in human history.  Any comparison to other groups of congenital idiots or ideological hypocrites is futile.

223 222 Ron Paul wants people to take care of their own selves.  Shame on him.

No; shame on you, for linking that sentiment with a dickhead.

224  Just rotated beers into main body of fridge, life may continue as usual.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 02, 2012 05:46 PM (hiMsy)

Go on ebay and look up "commercial beer cooler," there's some good selections.

Not only will it piss off your wife but you'll have the coolest man cave in the neigborhood!

225

217 lowandslow

Some of his best friends are joooooo bolsheviks, too!

226 Ron Paul is the old guy character from that Kids in the Hall skit. " I took a poo...."

227 I've heard ronulans who say that when the magnetic field reverses we will "fall out of orbit" with the sun.  They don't have a consensus on whether that means falling into the sun or flying out of the solar system.

228 @ BurtTC

Ok. Thanks for clearing up the elbow-hater thing, lol. I guess I can see that.

229 "I've heard ronulans who say that when the magnetic field reverses we will "fall out of orbit" with the sun. They don't have a consensus on whether that means falling into the sun or flying out of the solar system." They blame HAARP, don't they. Any conspiracy theory or just plain retarded doomsday hypothesis you can find, you can also find a Paultard.

230 *lip diddles*

231

Nice try, dickhead. The muslims will stone your wife and kids to death and slit your throat last.

Posted by: ErikW at January 02, 2012 05:51 PM (nHz1H)

Actually, they'll get to him among the first.  It's like in the 1950s movies The War of the Worlds or The Thing From Another World, where the naive idiots walk up to the aliens, secure in their belief that extending the hand of friendship will be met with reciprocal decency and amity.  This one will bring his wife and kids to the welcome parade the Paultards throw for the representatives of Islamic regimes in their effort to make nice with the people who "only hate us because of our foreign policy."

232 If it wasn't for Paultards, I'd have no audience!

233 T H E S H E E N Y W I N D O W by Ron Paul, writing as Lew Rockwell

234

all ron paul supporters are insane...just like the nutjob himself.....and there is not exception to the rule.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at January 02, 2012 05:37 PM (Ho2rs)

I think theres some ill informed sane Paul supporters but they're very rare and in complete denial of just how poisonus Paul is

235

Obama!

Ron Paul!

Jon Stewart/Colbert 2012!

236 I hate Ron, because he hates big brother.

237 If it wasn't for Paultards, I'd have no audience!

Posted by: George Noory at January 02, 2012 06:02 PM (/0HuL)

you got that right, C2C hasn't been the same since Art left

238 I hate Ron, because he hates big brother.

That's funny; I hate Ron (mostly) because his acolytes are brain-dead.

239 Been getting an influx of Stormfront types over at Hot Air, too. All of them are staunch Ron Paul supporters. Page after page after page of comments related to melanin content and IQ correlation, Abraham Lincoln as dictator whose iron heel crushed the flower of the South, Zionist control of the media, that sort of thing. Some of them try hard to pretend they're typical conservatives who are, you know, just asking questions. I hate every one of those white trash Stormfront pieces of shit, all of them, one at a time or all at once. And would someone please tell me why Ron Paul is getting a pass in the media? Or why 3rd tier GOP primary candidates such as Bachmann and Huntsman are the only ones with the guts to call that scrawny little racist bastard out? If Romney or Gingrich or Perry have been looking for an opportunity to demonstrate leadership, this is it. Publicly disavow these bigoted assholes. Do to them what Buckley did to the Birchers and kick them the hell out of the conservative movement. They're emphatically not conservatives.

240 Mendez: I find C2C occasionally interesting, but most of the guests are kooks, either of the harmless variety (e.g.Richard Hoagland) or the non-harmless Alex Jones type.

241

Still waiting for you progressives to show where in the Constitution it authorizes the government to forcefully take private wealth from the citizenry and then give it to foreigners.  ?!?

But somehow in the mind of the progressive "conservative" even asking this question is anti-Semitic.  Yes, if you don't agree with stealing people's money and handing it to Israel, well, damn, you must be a Nazi Jew-hater.

Ace, truly, you're an idiot.  You don't understand Paul in the slightest.  You are focused on policies, Paul is focused on principles.  You don't get this though, because you have no princples.  At the end of the day you're no better than the Democrats, just a different flavor.

242 And speaking of brain-dead acolytes, right on cue.

243 Sigh. I love this place, but maybe I'll see you guys after the primaries. You see, I'm a chronic pain patient, and Paul is the only candidate who's committed to getting the government's nose out of my doctor's office so I can continue getting the drugs that keep pain from making my life unlivable. All the others are willing to sacrifice me, and millions of others like me, to keep idiots and junkies from getting high. So I'll be one of the "nut jobs" caucusing - in freshly laundered clothes - for Paul tomorrow night. Ciao!

244

Good call on highlighting this particular Paultard's antics, his posting style is typical of the breed; buckets of indignant, relevatory assertions wrapped in an awkwardly elevated tone.

I see it as an archival matter. Ron Paul will be forced to take his slop jar and shuffle on home soon enough.

245

Posted by: stuiec at January 02, 2012 06:02 PM (PcAXh)

As long we're right behind them loaded for bear, I'm okay with that.

246 I hate Ron because he believes we can not afford our military I hate Ron because he hates the war on drugs and we all know its a job creator I hate Ron because God knows best and Ron thinks individuals know best

247 Well played, ace.

248 And speaking of brain-dead acolytes, right on cue.

Like cockroaches, they don't come scurrying until the lights have gone out on the thread.

249 We should have paid Ron Paul money to run in the Democratic Primary just to annoy the left.

250 Eine volk, eine reich, eine Paul.

251 Most people would not call the President of the United States a "CEO" so Erick's point is a lot of "meh"

Posted by: 18-1 at January 02, 2012 05:10 PM (3aXbg)

Erick is a dirty fucking snow-wop.

252 160 No, I'm not a fucking Cambodian!
Posted by: Luap Nor! at January 02, 2012 05:19 PM (/0HuL)

Of course not. You're Chinese and named for your homonym: the PRC's Lop Nor nuclear weapons' test site.

253 If it wasn't for Paultards, I'd have no audience!

Posted by: George Noory at January 02, 2012 06:02 PM (/0HuL)

 

I know, right?

254

Bwwaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaa -

You can run and sling mud but you can't hide Jingos -

255 ace = Bilderberger

256

Mark Levin just delivered an EPIC takedown of Virginia's GOP screwing over the other candidates who "didn't make it" on the ballot. You've only heard half the story.

He's fired up. Listen in case he expands on it further; knowing him, he won't let this go anytime soon. If anyone can post the first 10 minutes, it's must-listen radio.

257 Meh, I don't care. jeanne! is drinking.

258 Wonder what Ron Paul would be like as President?

259 Oh, and everyone who's got their tit in a wringer about the resurgence of of anti-semitism might as well howl at the moon - it's human nature to blame the people in charge when things head south. And it can't be anti-semitic to notice that the folks in charge are predominately jewish, can it? Who Runs Hollywood? C'mon - L.A.Times

260 Ah, I see Master Staff Chief Tech Sergeant Andrew "187MurderDeathKill" Hempsteel is back to represent the military view. And they ALL support Herr Dokkktor. Just ask it.

261 246 - By "doctor's office" I assume you mean the back alley where your poor "doctor" is force to ply his trade? What a joke. Bye, heroin-boy. Good luck with your "pain."

262 I hate Ron because he will ban renditioning the teabaggers who may seek to overthrow this country.

263 And it can't be anti-semitic to notice that the folks in charge are predominately jewish, can it?

Does that count as Godwining?

(But Ron Paul supporters aren't all about Der Juden...)

264 Posted by: Reckoner (vZQGS) Hmmmm - vZQGS - that is almost like v ZOGS or Victory to the Zionist Occupation Government Supreme - I smell a plant...

265 srsly, they just let it roll off their fingers, they can't seem to stop themselves
really who owns everything.
da jews man!

266

Curious how few here at AoSHQ - even within the [ostensibly] prevailing atmosphere - are disputing anything that I actually wrote.

I'd guess, in fact, that most actually agree with everything that I wrote.

PS: As for "Shoah", the Nazis were rank amateurs at that, as well:

http://tinyurl.com/6nyv7yj

RANK. AMATEURS.

http://tinyurl.com/7c8j253

267 Publicly disavow these bigoted assholes. Do to them what Buckley did to the Birchers and kick them the hell out of the conservative movement. They're emphatically not conservatives.

Posted by: troyriser at January 02, 2012 06:06 PM (YCeSE)

This is where the National GOP has got to grow some balls. Buckley basically cut these guys off 50 years ago now they're back. This time the GOP itself has to. It starts by not giving this asshole free national publicity in these debates or allow him on the Republican ballot. If Paul wants to run for President he can do it under the Libertarian Ballot.

268

Rand Paul side by side with his father in Iowa.

I am not pleased.

Some of Aqua Buddha's best friends are Jewish.

269

"And would someone please tell me why Ron Paul is getting a pass in the media?"

Let me guess.  The media would love to see Paul become the GOP front runner.  THEN, they'll shine a light on his unsavory, Jew-hating nutbag followers.

Thus taking attention away from the unsavory, Jew-hating nutbags who support Obama. 

They'll be able to continue on with their favorite meme: that racism and anti-semitism exist only on the right, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

270 Ouch.  That one's going to leave a mark.  Seems like we'll be leaving Iowa with lots of storylines.  Like will Michele Bachmann beat Duncan Hunter's 6th place showing in 2008?  May be a close race ... http://bit.ly/qVdDUt

271 paul's a wonderful guy , and those jews that Own the banks, and wall street well...Paul knows stuff!

272 102
But the Mighty Winds was fuggin dumb.

what, are you kidding?? that was hilarious.  Only, they left out all the socialist red diaper-baby element of "folk" music - the Authentic voice of the Proletariat! 

273

Posted by: Audit the Fed at January 02, 2012 06:27 PM (Bjf6P)

 

Why do you wear Red Suspenders?

274

Posted by: nickless at January 02, 2012 06:23 PM (MMC8r)

HA!

"That's your wife, sir."

"So it is! And just as lovely as the day we met!"

shoving her back towards the Secret Service

"Find out what she knows!"

275 Off paranoid sock!

276 Ouch.  That one's going to leave a mark.  Seems like we'll be leaving Iowa with lots of storylines.  Like will Michele Bachmann beat Duncan Hunter's 6th place showing in 2008?  May be a close race ... http://bit.ly/qVdDUt

Posted by: ombdz at January 02, 2012 06:28 PM (2DpoY)

I liked Duncan Hunter.  He'd have made a much better candidate than McCain.

277 I don't hate the Jews and don't think that they're behind everything.

But my supporters do.

Isn't that ODD?

278 aw, and the star of the post  that started it all is back.

279 270
Curious how few here at AoSHQ - even within the [ostensibly] prevailing atmosphere - are disputing anything that I actually wrote.
I'd guess, in fact, that most actually agree with everything that I wrote.
Posted by: Audit the Fed at January 02, 2012 06:27 PM (Bjf6P)

Bickering with a bigot is a waste of time. Most of us here recognize that and won't dignify your loathsome spewage. Deep thinker that you are, you choose to read that as agreement with you when in fact it's shunning of you.

280 271 - And I don't mean to throw this all on Romney, but since he's more or less sewn up the nomination, it falls on him. Has he said anything about the nastiness of Paul and his supporters? If he were to do this ONE THING, take a stand against the racists in the Party, I could begin to get behind him, rather than just hold my nose and vote for him in November. I fear it's not in his nature though, he'll be looking for every vote he can get, no matter what, and that will include the Paultards.

281 Posted by: Audit the Fed at January 02, 2012 06:27 PM (Bjf6P) I'm playing catch-up, asshole, looking up what you've written so far. And no, 'a vast majority' on here do not agree with you. I'd guess most would mistake you for a hobo.

282

Rand Paul side by side with his father in Iowa.

I am not pleased.

Some of Aqua Buddha's best friends are Jewish.

Posted by: Aqua Buddha at January 02, 2012 06:28 PM (aUvAm)

Blood is thicker than cerebrospinal fluid.

Karl Rove predicted that Ron Paul will not run third-party if he loses the GOP nomination because that would put Sen. Rand in an untenable position of choosing between his father and his future as a Republican politician.

283

I'm playing catch-up, asshole, looking up what you've written so far.

Get back to me when you discover that ANYTHING I wrote was FACTUALLY FALSE.

A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G.  A.T.  A.L.L.

Unpleasant for the panty-wastes at AoSHQ - maybe - but not factually false.

 

284 I don't hate the Jews and don't think that they're behind everything.

But my supporters do.

Isn't that ODD?

Posted by: Dr. L. Ron Paul at January 02, 2012 06:31 PM (MMC8r)

Sock fail.

It should be L. Ron Goldmember, and the line should be "Isn't that WEIRD?"

285 276 - Agreed! Loved that movie, and I don't blame them one bit for leaving the politics out of their loving portrayal of the folk movement. Better to leave that for others. And the music they did for the movie was pretty darned good! I'm not even much of a folk music fan.

286 Bickering with a bigot is a waste of time. Most of us here recognize that and won't dignify your loathsome spewage. Deep thinker that you are, you choose to read that as agreement with you when in fact it's shunning of you.

Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at January 02, 2012 06:31 PM (Og1Kk)

I'm guessing it's pretty typical of in-the-Beltway mindthink amongst our elected officials.

287

A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G.  A.T.  A.L.L.

 

this has the stench of cogency all over it

288 Unpleasant for the panty-wastes

I'm laughing at the superior intellect.

289 Unpleasant for the panty-wastes at AoSHQ - maybe - but not factually false. Posted by: Audit the Fed at January 02, 2012 06:35 PM (Bjf6P) You misspelled 'pantywaists'. How lame is that, ITG?

290 T H E
S H E E N Y
W I N D O W

by Ron Paul, writing as Lew Rockwell

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2012 06:02 PM (l9zgN)

Hahahahahahaha!

Makes me think that the Paultards will be marching around from now on with buttons on that they think will mask their Jew-hatred:

I
LIKE
KIKE

291 265- No, asshole, I mean the anesthesiologists' office where they keep a decades worth of medical records, including MRIs and surgeons' reports. Dickhead. DIAF.

292

Just so I'm clear, Audi The Fred was talking that brain size/IQ/racial stuff earlier, then shifted to Israel, and is now whining that nobody wants to listen to him, right?

 

Anyone else think its weird that Audit the Fed abbreviates to A.T.F.?

I smell a government conspiracy. Better get Luap Nor on the line.

293 Get back to me when you discover that ANYTHING I wrote was FACTUALLY FALSE. Oh, snap! I have been unable to falsify your claims that Jews are genetically inclined to the banking and jewelry professions and have developed the ability to sniff gold molecules in as little as a 3 parts-per-billion concentration. The laboratory is closed and I have been able to submit tissue samples from the kike I captured in the Diamond District. However, after a quick physical inspection I CAN confirm the lack of a tail. But, I know that is no excuse. What are your orders, Reichsführer?

294

This is where the National GOP has got to grow some balls. Buckley basically cut these guys off 50 years ago now they're back. This time the GOP itself has to. It starts by not giving this asshole free national publicity in these debates or allow him on the Republican ballot. If Paul wants to run for President he can do it under the Libertarian Ballot.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 02, 2012 06:27 PM (GZitp)

The GOP has a problem with these bigots, but the Democrat Party has an even BIGGER problem.  I find that there are substantial numbers of Democrats and Progressives who are all fired up for RonPaul! because they detest Obama at this point and are latching onto a candidate who obviously does NOT fit with the Republican Party.  People who vow that they'll never vote for a Republican can vote for RonPaul! and feel they haven't broken that vow (and they are right).

295 Springtime for Ron Paul
And Li-ber-ty!
Winter for Israel,
and Fraaaaaaaance...!

We're moving up our ev'lution,
Because of Ron Paul's Rev'lution....

296 But, I know that is no excuse. What are your orders, Reichsführer?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2012 06:43 PM (l9zgN)

Dude, let it go.

He has "science" behind him.

He's lucky he wasn't blinded by it or "weirded" by it in the 80s.

297 Need some ideas/suggestions.  Tomorrow, the wife and I will be going to a county Young Republicans meeting to watch the Iowa Caucus returns.  The chair and vice-chair (husband and wife) are committed Ronulans (they're doing moneybomb/fundraiser requests out via Facebok), and the secretary and treasurer have also donate to Paul, though I don't know how committed they are.  Not sure what to do/think, but given the state of my state's (Delaware's) Republican Party, I can't just say "Fuck it" and bail.  Not sure what to do for tomorrow and for the next few months, especially if Paul goes third party and the county leadership deserts to his campaign.  Should I plot a coup among the non-Paul supporters?

298 No, asshole, I mean the anesthesiologists' office where they keep a decades worth of medical records, including MRIs and surgeons' reports. Dickhead. DIAF.

Posted by: chicagorefugee at January 02, 2012 06:41 PM (Cvvzd)

Suddenly the idea of pain making your life unlivable doesn't seem as horrible as it did just a few minutes ago.  You don't seem to be a very pleasant person to begin with.

299 Ron Paul is a candidate I can get behind.

300 Get back to me when you discover that ANYTHING I wrote was FACTUALLY FALSE.

Well, you still don't have the first fucking clue what "tautology" means.

301

 However, after a quick physical inspection I CAN confirm the lack of a tail.

Why do you think so many of 'them' go into cosmetic surgery, jeff?

302

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at January 02, 2012 06:47 PM (zpgiG)

 

Tinfoil Hats!

303 If Ron Paul's not actually anti-semitic, and he didn't write his anti-semitic newsletters, why do so many anti-semites rally around him?

I don't think Ron Paul is so much an anti-Semite (as in someone who is bigoted specifically against Jews and despises them) as he is sort of gullible, willing to believe outrageously foolish things, and repeat them.

I think the newsletters and Ron Paul's statements have a sort of genuine "dog whistle" effect without him meaning for them to. I think the racist neo nazi freaks hear the whistle when its only a funny sound he makes while breathing with his mouth open. They see statements and phrases that are similar to their own rhetoric and writings and infer the rest, when I don't think Paul actually goes that far.

304 "Should I plot a coup among the non-Paul supporters?" Yes, not only plot, but execute said plot.

305 295 - Riiiiiiight. So you're willing to sell your soul to the racist Ron Paul for what... to not have medical records? Just who do you fear is going to have a look at your chart, dude?

306 Should I plot a coup among the non-Paul supporters? Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at January 02, 2012 06:47 PM (zpgiG) Of course you should plot a coup among the non-Paul supporters, obviously, naturally. Do the right thing, always.

307

Tinfoil Hats!

Posted by: garrett at January 02, 2012 06:50 PM (aUvAm)

That should probably be standard issue at our monthly meetings anyway.  The state party still hasn't picked a candidate, and the helmets would probably help that decision be made faster.

308 Sorry, CAC. It's the cognitive dissonance. See, Oberst Andrew here is a huge fan of Ron Paul's policy of non-intervention and decrying the US' murder of "millions" of innocent Arabs. And yet, according to his own words, what has Andrew been doing? Bringing murder to Arabs, specwar-style. And getting his intervention on like a motherfuckin' BOSS. You smell that? That's Lying Cocksucker, son. That smell... That Lying Cocksucker smell... It smells like... Paultard.

309 I think the racist neo nazi freaks hear the whistle when its only a funny sound he makes while breathing with his mouth open. They see statements and phrases that are similar to their own rhetoric and writings and infer the rest, when I don't think Paul actually goes that far.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 06:51 PM (r4wIV)

These are the same isolationist conspiracy nut twits that joined militias in the early 1990s. Congrats, Paul. Your neoconfederate anti-flouride race-war-prepping base is always there for you.

310 jew behind corner, hide your gold, marijuana is such a lovely flower

311 *censored for exposing the zionist conspiracy and incredibly stupid content. Mostly stupid content*

312 I don't think Ron Paul is so much an anti-Semite (as in someone who is bigoted specifically against Jews and despises them) as he is sort of gullible, willing to believe outrageously foolish things, and repeat them.

I think he's actually more cynical, and is just looking to exploit weak-minded people who DO believe that execrable nonsense.  Racist newsletters and ultra-libertarianism and running for president are just ways for Der Paulenfuhrer to line his pockets off the rubes.

He's doing the same thing as Truthers (a field he overlaps with) and Moon Landing Conspiracists and activists of many stripes-- he's doing it for a buck, 'cause there's an audience with money that will fork it over.

If he does get the nomination, he'll torpedo the campaign deliberately because he doesn't really want the job.

313 The most dangerous thing about Paul is that such critical time in our politics he's got it exactly right on many relevant and time sensitive issues and yet on some other things he's starkly fucking crazy and somehow strikes a chord with some truly scary lunatics.

Out of of the distilled residue of Leftist PC is the Paulbot tendency to over correct in the form of racist and anti Semitic diatribe that by default (fortunately) discredits the RP advocate from making any inroads into the mainstream.

Yet like Leftists they believe theirs is the only real truth.
Real truth like a SyFy docudrama, but scarier.   

314 Yes, not only plot, but execute said plot.

Posted by: Moishe Ali O'Malley at January 02, 2012 06:52 PM (YfVqC)

I haven't gotten a feel for whether they plan on jumping ship if Paul either loses the primary or runs third party, so any plotting will have to be in the same category as War Plan Crimson, the War Department's strategy to take over Canada back in the 1930's.

315 This reminds me so much of the state's rights/confederacy argument that comes up sometimes. The Southerners who argue for state's rights and supremacy have good points - really good points - about what has happened to the country, what has been done to the constitution, and even some about Lincoln, who did really shred the document to save the country.

The problem is they wrap it all up in a "the south shall rise again" tone that is really annoying to everyone except them - and I mean everyone, everywhere on earth. And they deliver it with a flying confederate flag that has an uncomfortable racist past vibe that while unfair is impossible to avoid.

These guys can't seem to find a way to promote their ideals without tying them to "Lincoln was evil the war wasn't about slavery in any way, nope no slavery didn't matter and anyway slavery was going away so who cares." Its like they can't quite isolate the principles of state's rights and the constitution, so they end up delivering everything in a manner that actually harms their points.

Ron Paul supporters suffer from that too often, I fear. There's this cloak of lunacy, of the radical fringes of Libertarianism in their rhetoric that spoils the few good points they bring up. And Paul himself does the same thing, dredging up some of the more absurd contrail/area 51/moon landings/truther conspiracies in the process.

316 Ron Paul is not a Nazi although I am tautology is a bilderberger shrine

317 Rand Paul, too, knows that his father is not going to get the nomination. He must also realize that his father's ass is bared for all to see.

He has voiced contrary points of view from that of his father. He is an interventionist while his  father is not. And, although he did express a desire to end aid to Israel, as did his father, his was more a matter of re-evaluating the aid we hand out world over. As well, where Ron wants to leave Israel to its own devices, Rand wants us to get the hell out of the way and stop dictating the manner in which it defends itself.

I'm going to guess that it is painful to watch your father destroy himself in front of the whole world and, were it me, and had I had a good father, I would likely have stood by his side as well.

I don't know that I could trust the kind of man who would publicly turn on his own father when he himself is already doing such a fine job of destroying himself.

318 I don't think Ron Paul is so much an anti-Semite (as in someone who is bigoted specifically against Jews and despises them) as he is sort of gullible, willing to believe outrageously foolish things, and repeat them. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 06:51 PM (r4wIV) Would it help you believe he is what he is if Ron Paul didn't look like a character actor in a made-for-TV movie playing the kindly family doctor? Evil rat bastards don't typically look the part.

319

jews, jews everywhere

in the fed, hollywood, too

in my head, jews, jews

320

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 06:51 PM (r4wIV)

That's an interesting idea and if true, would make Paul even more of an evil piece of shit than we thought.

321 See I agree that the federal government is not given the power to take tax money and hand it to other nations, no matter how nice those nations are or how strategically valuable they are. Its just not in there. I agree we have too many damn bases all over the world. I agree that the Fed has been run without any oversight and is desperately corrupt and incompetent by now. I think that's true about the FBI, the CIA, and the DHS as well. He just takes it all too far.

322 At least some of the Ronulan behavior is explained: "Teenagers who smoke cannabis are likely to have been born with an area of the brain that is significantly smaller than normal, according to new research." http://tinyurl.com/8yl62lt (link to Daily Mail)

323 "Teenagers who smoke cannabis are likely to have been born with an area of the brain that is significantly smaller than normal, according to new research."

Is that correlation, or causality?

I'm not buying biological imperative to be a bonghead.

324 Is that correlation, or causality?

I'm not buying biological imperative to be a bonghead.

Posted by: nickless at January 02, 2012 07:02 PM (MMC8r)

Stupid is as stupid does.

325

Million dollar question, then.

What's up with the people of Galveston, Texas?

326 I came to get my smacks in, but all the good clubs are already taken.

327 325 - Regardless of whether you believe the U.S. SHOULDN'T be overseas as we are, we have indeed, been doing these things since the end of the 2nd world war. There are reasons why we had/have a presence overseas, so if you intend to dismantle that, you have to be prepared for the consequences, many of which are going to be catastrophic, for the U.S. as well as our allies. So while I think Paul blows his dog whistle, he does so in a way that he knows is impossible to implement in our political climate today. Arguing philosophy is fine, but when/if you get real power, then what? I am saying I think he says stuff that sounds good to many, but will NEVER be done. So what does that make him? Nuts or opportunistic? Throw in the racist crap that HE KNOWS IS THERE, whether he feels it in his heart or not, and the whole package is rotten to the core.

328 Bickering with a bigot is a waste of time. Most of us here recognize that and won't dignify your loathsome spewage. ----------------------------- No, c'mon, this is a weak escape. Someone like Audit The Fed or whoever should easily be defeatable by the facts! I don't give a shit about Ron Paul, but I just can't stand name-calling as a debate tactic.

329 I do wonder what sort of "proof" the drooling anti-Semite might accept to counter the "factoidal (sic) tautology" that 90% of Jooooos are "bolshevik nihilists". Presumably the microdick Nazi has unassailable evidence to support that tautologicamal factoidism. Unassailable, like the evidence of vinegar spray's effects on chemtrails.

330
and over at Zerohedge:

I agree that on the surface of things, Ron Paul seems very solid, and has some really great proposals.  His positions have been consistent for a long time.  But, I also can't help but feel the chess pieces moving around the board, silently and without most being aware.  Something is off here, just can't quite put my finger on it yet

john39



"Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us."

331 Is that correlation, or causality?

My exact thought.

332 Ron Paul is a candidate I can get behind.

Me too!

333 "What's up with the people of Galveston, Texas?" Lots of shoreline means lots of places to land lots of weed ?

334 I'm not buying biological imperative to be a bonghead.


Nest step: Protected class!

335 He just takes it all too far. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 07:00 PM (r4wIV) No, Paul takes the logic of such a position where it must take him. The problem is the falsity of the premises underlying the argument: it is not, for example, wrong to furnish monetary and military aid to an ally. During the Revolution, the United States received such aid from France. Do you think the French were wrong to support us? True, it was in French interests to counter British hegemony in North America, so they weren't motivated by altruism but it is also true it is highly likely would not have won our independence without them. Foreign aid, like war, is an extension of diplomacy. You can't understand that? Really?

336 I think this stapler is recording my thoughts. --- Ron Paul

337 living in my front lobe hebes, hymie hebes they only sleep when Ron Pauls

338 I just can't stand name-calling as a debate tactic.

Who said anything about a "debate?"  Poking trolls with a sharp sticks is a great American tradition.

339 Troy riser, he looks exactly like an insane little rat bastard...Central casting.

340

Hey, Audit, you dolt, it took me 5 seconds to google the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:

Definition of PANTYWAIST 1 : a child's garment consisting of short pants buttoned to a waist 2 : sissy    

341 Argh.  Damned sock.

342 Ron Paul has never looked like anything BUT a squirrely little nut bar.

343 Ten years ago, when I would go on the liberal forum I used to hang out on and post arguments and evidence in support of George Bush and the Mideast policy then being undertaken, the other posters quickly got into a mode where they would snark and joke and ridicule my posts, and never, ever, ever answer any of the actual facts and specific arguments I was presenting. I always figured it was because they knew, in the back of their minds at least, that they couldn't. It was a pretty disappointing experience to encounter that from people I had respected.

344 No, c'mon, this is a weak escape. Someone like Audit The Fed or whoever should easily be defeatable by the facts! I don't give a shit about Ron Paul, but I just can't stand name-calling as a debate tactic.

Posted by: Question Man at January 02, 2012 07:07 PM (+o7Q1)

And another Paul cultist returns but he doesn't give a shit about Ron Paul, it's just an amazing coincidence he he can recite Paul's talking points verbatim.

345 Posted by: Rollory at January 02, 2012 07:13 PM (oC5Wh) Samuel L. Jackson is a lizard-man from another plane of existence. Debate. And don't you DARE ridicule me or my bright ideas!

346 Posted by: Rollory at January 02, 2012 07:13 PM (oC5Wh)

What part of "90 % of Jooos are bolshevik nihilists intent on destroying the West" should I try to rationally argue against?

Your concerned concern is touching, though.

347 Someone like Audit The Fed or whoever should easily be defeatable by the facts!

And of course he would be, if Paultards were able to accept the slightest criticism of their lord and master.

348 I mislaid the Gallup poll on Jooos and Bolshevik Nihilism. Help a brother out, Audit the Fed!

349 No, c'mon, this is a weak escape. Someone like Audit The Fed or whoever should easily be defeatable by the facts! I don't give a shit about Ron Paul, but I just can't stand name-calling as a debate tactic. ----------------------------- Sure. It's easy. Voting patterns, political donations, membership in politically active clubs. Break the data down by the standard left/right political scale, see what it tells you. That politically active and motivated Jews (as distinct from Jews in general) have a leaning toward idealistic world-saving leftism is readily evident from history, from current events, and from the writings of Jews themselves. That this is considered an unspeakably horrifying fact that has to be pretended out of existence says more about mainstream schizophrenia than anything else.

350 Came to the party late.  Just cause I'm bored:

Get back to me when you discover that ANYTHING I wrote was FACTUALLY FALSE.

A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G.  A.T.  A.L.L.

Unpleasant for the panty-wastes at AoSHQ - maybe - but not factually false.

Posted by: Audit the Fed at January 02, 2012 06:35 PM (Bjf6P)



I just checked through the friends of mine who are Jewish and myself.

Waddya know, none were Bolsheviks.  Or nihilist.  You see, those things don't really go together.

Also, to be (I'm sure) the 1,494th person to pile on, "tautology" means something different than you think it means.

351 347 - So what you are saying is, if you go on a liberal site and ask them to argue with you, they are required by your sense of decorum to oblige you? I sincerely doubt most partisan websites, left or right, agree with your sense of obligation. There are places for that, I suppose. I don't know where they are, but I assume they exist.

352 Nothing a few doobies and a bag of Cheetos can't help you get over Rollory.

353 If Romney can be a Republican , so can Ron Paul . . .I detest them both!

354 Also, to be (I'm sure) the 1,494th person to pile on, "tautology" means something different than you think it means.

Hey, he's a mathmetician!

355 That politically active and motivated Jews (as distinct from Jews in general) have a leaning toward idealistic world-saving leftism is readily evident from history, from current events, and from the writings of Jews themselves. That this is considered an unspeakably horrifying fact that has to be pretended out of existence says more about mainstream schizophrenia than anything else.

You seem to have concluded that "idealistic world-saving leftism" = Bolshevik.

While both "idealistic world-saving leftism" and "Bolshevik" are annoying, one does not equal the other.  If we are going to make the argument that one equals the other, please keep in mind the former also applies to a very substantial numbers of Christian clergymen.

356 353 - I've seen some of this polling data. Don't care much about it, because there are all sorts of polarized results, from blacks and hispanics on the left, to evangelical Christians on the right. Jews, as voting groups, are no more extreme than many others. And yet some people seem to feel the need to go RIGHT TO THE JEWS when discussing these issues. Why is that?

357 If Romney can be a Republican , so can Ron Paul . . .I detest them both!

I must say I've never understood the Paultard logic that anti-Paul somehow equals pro-Romney.

358 That politically active and motivated Jews (as distinct from Jews in general) have a leaning toward idealistic world-saving leftism is readily evident from history, from current events, and from the writings of Jews themselves. Posted by: Rollory at January 02, 2012 07:21 PM (oC5Wh) I'm pretty sure I've read the Bible and other, more up-to-date "writings of the Jews". Perhaps I slipped through the pages that reveal the hard facts about Jews plotting to destroy the civilization through Communism, race mixing and New World Order?

359 No, Paul takes the logic of such a position where it must take him. The problem is the falsity of the premises underlying the argument: it is not, for example, wrong to furnish monetary and military aid to an ally.

Indeed it is not. Its just not legal for the US Federal government to do so. If you choose to do so, then there's a process written into the constitution to do so: its called "amendment," not "ignore what I don't care for." I think, for example, Israel is worthy of our aid and needs it. I think its unconstitutional to send that money, at present. Those two ideas are not in conflict.

Foreign aid, like war, is an extension of diplomacy. You can't understand that? Really?

I understand the principle, my position comes from the US Constitution though, not history and preference.

360 other posters quickly got into a mode where they would snark and joke and ridicule my posts, and never, ever, ever answer any of the actual facts and specific arguments I was presenting.

What facts have been cited here?  The guy said 90% of Jews were Bolsheviks/nihilists (again, two things that don't really go together).

Cite please.

If you're upset about the snark, back it up.  It's up to you to support it, not for others to prove a negative.

361 Oh please, Question Man; we saw you on yesterday's thread, and it was clear that you cared a LOT about the Ronulan Prefect. What's changed between then and now?

362 I'm pretty sure I've read the Bible and other, more up-to-date "writings of the Jews".

Bernard Goldberg's stuff is good.

363 It's hard to believe that The Three Stooges, Jerry Lewis, and The Marx Brothers were part of that whole world-running cabal.

Do you think Dean Martin was in on it?

364 I'm pretty sure I've read the Bible and other, more up-to-date "writings of the Jews"

you lack the double secret Joo Decoder Ring that shows you the real message of the book of Esther.

365 "Perhaps I slipped through the pages that reveal the hard facts about Jews plotting to destroy the civilization through Communism, race mixing and New World Order?" You might want to ask Audit the Fed or his new pals who appear to have shown up - I think it might be in the newsletters with the Bildebergers and Pentaverate.

366 Do you think Dean Martin was in on it?

Well, I'm not saying he was, and I'm not saying he wasn't, but he did hang around with Sammy Davis Jr. a lot...

367 Indeed it is not. Its just not legal for the US Federal government to do so.

What do you mean it's not legal? Where in the Constitution does it say congress can't appropriate foreign aid?

368 you lack the double secret Joo Decoder Ring that shows you the real message of the book of Esther.

IT'S A KOSHER COOKBOOK!

369 Lowandslow you're asking the wrong question. The US Constitution isn't a list of things the government cannot do, its a list of limited things that the federal government is permitted to do. The power in the United States is presumed to be entirely with the people. The US Constitution lists the few, limited areas the federal government may act as permitted by the people of the US. If its not in there, either by direct list or by reasonable implication or extension, then it is not permitted.

If the writings of the founding fathers didn't make that abundantly clear with resounding and consistent repetition, the 10th amendment does.

370

Jew-hatred is as much of an anochronism as "hanging out with Marxists" during the 1980s.

371 IT'S A KOSHER COOKBOOK!

Oy gevalt!

372 "What do you mean it's not legal? Where in the Constitution does it say congress can't appropriate foreign aid?" It is in the Twenty Eleventh Amendment: Congress shall pass no law apportioning monies for Israel or other Jooo things, especially military Jooo things.

373 374 - That's nice, but if you are correct, then presumably there are lawsuits all over the place, working their way through our courts, trying to uphold the constitutions prohibition of foreign aid. Right? If not, why not?

374 BirtTC are you trying to argue that if there's no popular and legal uprising against any action by the federal government, then it must be 100% constitutional and legal? By that definition, the only unconstitutional thing the federal government has ever done has been the Government Health Insurance Takeover Act.

Look, I like the idea of helping out Israel and other nations when they need it - I said so up above already. I just like the idea of being law abiding and following the US Constitution even more.

The left continually and ruthlessly rapes the constitution without the slightest qualm on the basis of "well its the right thing to do even if technically it isn't valid." As conservatives we ought to be better than that, show more integrity and honor.

375 I don't think Ron Paul is so much an anti-Semite (as in someone who is bigoted specifically against Jews and despises them) as he is sort of gullible, willing to believe outrageously foolish things, and repeat them.

I think he's actually more cynical, and is just looking to exploit weak-minded people who DO believe that execrable nonsense.  Racist newsletters and ultra-libertarianism and running for president are just ways for Der Paulenfuhrer to line his pockets off the rubes.

Posted by: nickless at January 02, 2012 06:55 PM (MMC8r)

I think he hates Jews for "killing Christ" and he would be very happy to see Israel and Iran nuke each other and would pray for maximum death tolls on both sides.

376 I would like to thank Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin,  both Jewish doctors,  for discovering how to prevent the scourge of polio.  I was vaccinated at my grade school in the first grade,  when the vaccine was made available to all school children during the Eisenhower administration.

Thanks to two Jewish doctors,  we no longer have to worry about children spending the rest of their lives in an iron lung.

Funny,  they didn't keep their discovery to themselves and other Jewish Americans.  It was given to the entire world.

377 "I'm pretty sure I've read the Bible and other, more up-to-date "writings of the Jews"." I didn't say "the" Jews. You can find a variety of opinions everywhere. If you're seriously interested, _Esau's Tears_ by Albert Lindemann is a good starting point, specifically about the background events in the 1800s that led to the virulent German reaction. Feel free to look up Lindemann's reception by Jews in general; he wasn't reviled as some sort of self-hating nutcase. Writings by Jews for other Jews about "the Jewish problem" were very very common in the first half of the 20th century; that's where Zionism came from, as a solution to things that Jews themselves considered problems - Zionism predated Hitler, it wasn't thought up as a genocide prevention program. And in general: how often does the Jewish vote in the USA go solid Republican? Where and when has it ever done so? New York City is a major center of Jewish life in the USA, and it's also solidly Democrat, and those two things don't conflict with each other. Read up on Jewish theology about "healing the world", and compare with leftist ideology. As for going from there to bolshevik nihilism, I won't defend the claim that all Jews are there automatically. "if Paultards were able to accept the slightest criticism of their lord and master." He's wrong on hyperinflation, wrong on gold, has utterly blown a number of chances to actually DO something about the Fed with his current committee chair. He's right on two important things, civil liberties and stopping the endless meddling overseas, and that's two more than any other candidate has got right. I have no problem with criticism of the guy. I have a problem with meaningless feel-good snark that accomplishes nothing for no purpose while reinforcing attitudes that are not based on critical thinking. I mean, is it somehow wrong and evil to tend towards sympathy with leftist ideas?

378 I think he hates Jews for "killing Christ"

Funny, that's the same reason I hate Romans.

379 I saw a great list once, it showed how many Jews have won the Nobel prize in one form or another, I think its like 30 over the years. Not one single Muslim has. Of course, they'd argue that's because the dirty Joo runs the Nobel committee.

380 379 - No, what I am saying is that it's one thing for you or anyone else to declare something illegal. It's another to have it follow the proper legal channels to challenge something that is being done. You may very well be right, philosophically, but there has to be a point where philosophy matches action. And if there is no practical way to have what one believes philosophically, to be enacted, then it starts to become pointless to argue. I'm all for doing things as they wrote it in the Constitution, but we don't live in a world where that is happening. I'd rather focus most of my attention on what CAN get done, rather than what I'd like to see get done.

381 is it somehow wrong and evil to tend towards sympathy with leftist ideas?

I dunno, you could ask the hundreds of millions that have died because of Marxism, but I suppose you'd need a Ouija board.

382 Fair enough Burt, I have no political power, no connections, no money, and no ability to make things happen. All I have is forums like this to talk about things, perhaps persuade a few people, and move things a little more in the right direction. Its all I have.

383 "I just like the idea of being law abiding and following the US Constitution even more." OK, you keep harping on this, quote that part of the Constitution violated by Congress voting for any foreign aid.

384

If the writings of the founding fathers didn't make that abundantly clear with resounding and consistent repetition, the 10th amendment does.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 07:37 PM (r4wIV)

To start with the founders didn't make it abundantly clear, you had Madison and Hamilton in opposite corners when it came to the general welfare clause, hence we have the behemoth government we have today. But you could even leave aside that and foreign aid would fall under the common defense clause.

And I'm not quite sure what the Tenth has to do with foreign aid.

385 I don't know Rollory but I suspect what he's trying to point out is the frustrating fact that so many modern Jews so often tend to go hard left, even when its self destructive. Consider the usual liberal Jew who'd vote for a Democrat despite how anti-Israel they are and how many things they support that their religion ostensibly forbids. Its really frustrating for me on the right to watch this happen, although there's some indication that the younger generations are starting to move away from this. I mean... FDR was almost hostile to Jews, he turned away a floatilla of Jews fleeing Nazis in Europe for crying out loud. And he's a big hero because he was president when the Nazis were beaten.

386 "Not one single Muslim has. " Well, there was Arafat.

387 Funny,  they didn't keep their discovery to themselves and other Jewish Americans.  It was given to the entire world.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 02, 2012 07:45 PM (GoIUi)

Yes, you can tell the people who are REALLY committed to racial purity: they're the ones in the iron lungs.

388

Hey Audit.....you have a problem with Jews?  You don't have the guts to tell a HEBE this sh*t to their face.

 

Cretin. 

389

I have a problem with meaningless feel-good snark that accomplishes nothing for no purpose while reinforcing attitudes that are not based on critical thinking.

Because there hasn't been post after post and comment after comment debunking, exposing, criticizing, and dismantling this clown.  Nope.  Not here at the HQ.  Just straight to the snark. 

 

_/sarc

390 lowandslow step back from foreign aid a moment. The 10th amendment makes it clear what the founders already argued: the constitution is a list of permitted powers, not a limited list of things the government can do among many others. The 10th amendment's text points out that anything not given in the constitution belongs specifically and exclusively to the states and the citizens of the US, not the federal government.

The founders had some arguments about the extent of how broad some portions of the constitution should be interpreted but they were united on the principle of the US being ruled by the people, who have all the power, and some of that power being delimited to the federal government as a representative of the citizens of the US.

If its not in there... its not allowed. Period.

391 Damn dirty Jaws.

392 Writings by Jews for other Jews about "the Jewish problem" were very very common in the first half of the 20th century; that's where Zionism came from, as a solution to things that Jews themselves considered problems - Zionism predated Hitler, it wasn't thought up as a genocide prevention program.

Um, Zionism originated with Theodor Herzl in the wake of the Dreyfus Affair, when the only high-ranking Jewish officer in the French army was set up on an entirely false espionage charge and sent to Devil's Island as a scapegoat for its defeat by Germany (and when a large portion of the French government tried to cover it up).  The idea was that European anti-Semitism was irredeemable and the Jews needed to set up their own state to avoid it.

Pretty much anybody who knows anything about Zionism knows that.  You don't know what you're talking about.

And in general: how often does the Jewish vote in the USA go solid Republican? Where and when has it ever done so? New York City is a major center of Jewish life in the USA, and it's also solidly Democrat, and those two things don't conflict with each other.

Read up on Jewish theology about "healing the world", and compare with leftist ideology. As for going from there to bolshevik nihilism, I won't defend the claim that all Jews are there automatically.

Our friend here did not say that 90% of Jews were leftists.  He did not say 90% of Jews were Democrats.  He did not say a majority of Jews were not Republicans.

He said 90% were Bolsheviks.  You keep trying to skip that part.

And, again, is that hard to understand that "Bolshevik" and "nihilist" are two things that really, really don't go together?

393

387: "I have no political power, no connections, no money"

What? Christopher Taylor, you mean you're not a "true Yankee wage slave factory owner" like Billy Bob said?

 

394  Writings by Jews for other Jews about "the Jewish problem" were very very common in the first half of the 20th century; that's where Zionism came from, as a solution to things that Jews themselves considered problems - Zionism predated Hitler, it wasn't thought up as a genocide prevention program.

Posted by: Rollory at January 02, 2012 07:46 PM (oC5Wh)

And genocide against the Jews wasn't invented by Hitler.  Jews had been subjected to pogroms, expulsions, ghettoization and campaigns of extermination in Europe for a thousand years before Hitler was born.  Zionism was conceived as a program to give the Jews the right of self-determination in a national homeland, same as anyone else.

395

If its not in there... its not allowed. Period.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 07:56 PM (r4wIV)

No, even Madison wouldn't argue that. You wouldn't get one Supreme Court Justice from the first court to the current that would say foreign aid is unconstitutional, for the simple reason it isn't.

396 390 - I was raised Catholic, so I don't know enough about the Jewish mindset to comment on it, but this has for most of my lifetime been an issue for Catholics. The Church has been pounding on the point that abortion is antithetical to everything the Church stands for, and yet you will still see half or more of all Catholics voting for the likes of John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi. There was an Archbishop who even went so far as to say Kerry should be Excommunicated prior to the '04 election, and if you look at Church Law, it sure does look like the definition of the conditions for it. Yet somehow it was unseemly to say so. Sometimes it takes generations to move people away from their prejudices. It's a slow process. I don't know why Jews are predominantly Democrats, but of course it goes without saying I hope, that a Party with Ron Paul as one of its standard-bearers is not likely to win them over.

397 The idea was that European anti-Semitism was irredeemable and the Jews needed to set up their own state to avoid it.

That's hard to argue against, too, especially back then.

Well, there was Arafat.

True, I try to forget him. That was about when the Nobel prize was revealed to be a useless leftist propaganda tool. Millions of dollars to hand out to political allies, if only Alfred himself could come back from the grave and dynamite the place.

398 lowandslow, I can tell I'm not likely to convince you but you really should think about this a bit some time, not in terms of consequence or who this would affect but rather in terms of the purpose and ideals behind the founding of the nation, the writing of the US Constitution, and the significance of a limited federal government vs an unlimited one.

399 Attention Ron Paul Supporters You're fishing in the wrong pond. Most people here are both Conservative and interested in politics. That means we've heard about Ron Paul's pretty decent economic ideas so we looked up his other policy ideas(foreign, drugs, social, racist) and discovered they're are unacceptable. This decision was reached intellectually so we have zero interest in Paul. So, we have zero reason to take you or Paul seriously. But- There is a large group of people, who would be open to Paul's ideas and who are easily led- those would be Democrats who are disappointed with Obama. You should be trying to make converts at Democrat/Progressive sites. Why? Progressives are anti-military and anti-American foreign policy. JUST LIKE YOU! Progressives believe the war on terror is one long instance of murder of innocents. JUST LIKE YOU! Progressives want all drugs legalized. JUST LIKE YOU! Progressives believe those crafty 1%-er JOOOOOs control too much wealth. JUST LIKE YOU! Progressives respond positively to "folksy" racism directed against their perceived enemies(think Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas) and "factual" anti-semitism. JUST LIKE YOU! Go ahead go on over to the Daily Kos and go to work. Within no time at all, you'll have plenty of new converts to Paul's rEVOLution. Good Luck!

400 This one time at the local community college, I studied the tautology of boners in my underpants while observing tasty, squeaky co-eds strolling up and down the quad.

Oh, and Ron Paul!

401 Do you think Dean Martin was in on it? Posted by: nickless at January 02, 2012 07:31 PM (MMC8r) Ace's post and this comment are the smack that keeps this conservative powerless under this blog. Need a cigarette now.

402 Posted by: naturalfake at January 02, 2012 08:03 PM (I49Jm)

Cut.  Jib.  Newsletter.

403 So, cherry picking comments is accepted blogging practice?

404 382 I didn't say "the" Jews. You can find a variety of opinions everywhere. If you're seriously interested, _Esau's Tears_ by Albert Lindemann is a good starting point, specifically about the background events in the 1800s that led to the virulent German reaction. ... And in general: how often does the Jewish vote in the USA go solid Republican?

AD in 387 said what I was trying to come to grasps with myself. Although, the tone of 382 is generally pretty good, so thanks for the noninsults.

I don't much care if the Jewish vote goes Republican or Democrat or whatever. There just aren't enough of them / us to swing much.

I care that the Right can still have Jewish brains. (Not necessarily mine. I barely count.) I want the Right to have an intellectual heft to its own. I want to keep Horowitz, the Blogmocracy group, and even far-Right Jews and semiJews like "JewAmongYou", Moldbug and Auster. Or, if you like, Chris Hitchens.

With that, next time some Naomi Klein or Noam Chomsky spouts out with their treasonable Stalinist bullshit, I can just think - well, "Auster refuted this already" or "I'm pretty sure I can catch a brutal fisking at FrontPageMag in 10 minutes".

And the st0rmfrntrz can still blow me

405 Posted by: Rollory at January 02, 2012 07:46 PM (oC5Wh) Americans who blame their country for the world's problems - self hating. Jews who blame Jews for antisemitism - Courageos Truth Tellers. That's how YOU define it, don't ya? Jews are different, somehow. They all collaborate and corraborate each other. They are "into it". Except for the whistleblowers who expose the conspiracy, that is. Most leftists, who are all self hating at some level, are not reviled, ostracised and excommunicated in Western societies. They are usually respected professors of some sorts in various academic institutions. Ron Paul, incidentally, is actually a self hating American, which makes him a leftist. Perhaps you should tell him to check his genealogy for traces of the Cohen gene.

406 Posted by: naturalfake at January 02, 2012 08:03 PM (I49Jm)

I don't even care if you're a man or woman.

I love you.

407 408 So, cherry picking comments is accepted blogging practice? Posted by: someguy at January 02, 2012 08:08 PM (sEXZ/) Is it cherry picking when every post is a ripe fruit, posted by a ripe fruit?

408 Is it cherry picking when every post is a ripe fruit, posted by a ripe fruit?

Yeth.

409 Posted by: naturalfake at January 02, 2012 08:03 PM (I49Jm) Game set and match.

410 Posted by: someguy at January 02, 2012 08:08 PM (sEXZ/)

Best.  Hash.  Evah.

411 392 Funny, they didn't keep their discovery to themselves and other Jewish Americans. It was given to the entire world. Posted by: Miss Marple at January 02, 2012 07:45 PM (GoIUi) They also gave us the Hart-Cellar Act of 1965, which was also a gift to the entire world. You dont hear the Jews bragging about that one all that much.

412 "I dunno, you could ask the hundreds of millions that have died because of Marxism, but I suppose you'd need a Ouija board." I don't disagree with this. However: if it is evil to be leftist, and if Jews tend towards being leftist, then OMGHITLER. That short circuit in our thinking is what has got to be fixed. Pretending reality doesn't exist and snarking at even the vaguest and most outrageous references to an unpleasant fact doesn't help people deal with said fact. "Because there hasn't been post after post and comment after comment debunking, exposing, criticizing, and dismantling this clown. Nope. Not here at the HQ. Just straight to the snark. " In the OP and in what I scanned of this thread, yes. I don't make a habit of reading the threads, they're blocked from work, while the main page isn't. "The idea was that European anti-Semitism was irredeemable and the Jews needed to set up their own state to avoid it." I don't see how this disproves what I said. In any case there was a lot more to the intellectual currents than "Europeans hate us and are evil, let's go elsewhere". A major reason for Zionism was the fact, discussed extensively at the time by Jews, that Jews had been excluded from any occupations tied to the land, such as farming, for countless generations; that (in their view) this did not lead to a balanced and "normal" national character, because such classes of people formed the backbone of most other national populations (I'll note that Thomas Jefferson was of a similar opinion, he wanted the USA to be a nation of small farmers and craftsmen); and that establishing a Jewish homeland would permit the Jewish nation to start acting like other nations again. Israel has one of the highest rates of fertility per woman in the developed world - I think it's one of the few nations significantly above replacement. That's a sign of a fundamentally healthy society. "He said 90% were Bolsheviks. You keep trying to skip that part." I am not skipping it. Bolsheviks are leftists, taken to the absolute extreme. Some people go around saying "all Muslims are jihadists" and while that's not actually true Islam certainly does instruct jihadist behavior. We prefer the polite friendly Muslim who doesn't take his religion too literally, and we prefer friendly leftists to totalitarian ones. This doesn't make the linkages between the various attitudes disappear. "And, again, is that hard to understand that "Bolshevik" and "nihilist" are two things that really, really don't go together?" Seems to me they do. Bolsheviks are motivated by power, not much else.

413 They also gave us the Hart-Cellar Act of 1965

Those wily Jews.  They converted Ted Kennedy!

414 403 lowandslow, I can tell I'm not likely to convince you but you really should think about this a bit some time, not in terms of consequence or who this would affect but rather in terms of the purpose and ideals behind the founding of the nation, the writing of the US Constitution, and the significance of a limited federal government vs an unlimited one.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 08:03 PM (r4wIV)

WTF is that? I'm to stupid to discuss The Constitution? Let me clue you in on something, I could read everything Madison wrote and have his ghost sitting in the room with me explaining what he meant and wouldn't make one bit of difference. You're not going to turn back 250 years of legal challenges to legislation and the way we currently run the Federal government over one guy elected President. We life in the world we live in now, not the world you wish to live in.

415 Getting the better of Ted the Killer wasnt all that hard.

416

They converted Ted Kennedy!

...and we got the first Jewish President, Lyndon Johnson, to sign it into law!

417 WTF is that? I'm to stupid to discuss The Constitution?

I'm sorry if I came across saying that, I didn't mean to. I wanted to simply express the belief that continuing to argue here wouldn't accomplish anything positive, but perhaps some time spent on your own looking into this more closely might help you understand what I was trying to say. I'm sorry if I seemed insulting or arrogant, that wasn't my intent.

418 "Those wily Jews.!" The little ones last bastion. Commies are out to rule the world, lie. Trickle down, lie. Wars create jobs, mostly lies.

419 Oh, and lowandslow: I'm not a Ron Paul supporter. I would never vote for the guy. He's a crank, a lunatic, and fundamentally wrong on most things. I'm just pointing out that he's not totally wrong on all things.

420 The repugs owe us "The Debt" Time to pay the bills

421 Fair enough Burt, I have no political power, no connections, no money, and no ability to make things happen. All I have is forums like this to talk about things, perhaps persuade a few people, and move things a little more in the right direction. Its all I have. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 07:49 PM (r4wIV) You're being disingenuous. That bit earlier when you said foreign aid is unconstitutional and illegal: it isn't true. There are such things as implicit premises. For example, the Executive branch is empowered with negotiating treaties and appointing ambassadors. What is it that ambassadors do? Ambassadors conduct diplomacy. What then, is diplomacy commonly understood to be? To further the interests of the country. How is this accomplished? Do ambassadors just sit around tables in spats and top hats and play Yahtzee? You see where I'm going with this. The Constitution is not a 1000-page how-to on the mechanics of governance OR diplomacy. Certain terms and practices are understood by the Founders to be a given. Foreign aid is an integral tool in conducting affairs with other nation-states. Congress, of course, controls the purse-strings, and those affairs are conducted with other countries in accordance with those constraints. You're the secular equivalent of a Biblical Creationist, Christopher. Like any absolutist, you can never be moved from your position because you like a sense of certainty in your life. Argument, no matter how rational or right, can never persuade you, which makes argument pointless and logic moot.

422 So what you're saying, troyriser, is that in the name of diplomacy there's no limit to what the federal government is permitted to do? Or are there limits?

I do find it ironic that you'd lecture me on being unswervingly absolutist while telling me I'm totally wrong and you're totally right, however.

Truth is, as Ace noted a few days ago, absolute. So holding to a position you believe to be true will always be "absolutist;" its nonsense to argue any other way. Why would you argue a position if you didn't believe it to be absolutely true?

Everyone tends to start from this position, because that's the only way you can rationally approach a topic: this is true, this is false. Its not a weakness or a dementia to be absolutist or certain about something you believe to be true.

423 I don't see how this disproves what I said.

You're conflating 19th century debates over the "Jewish question" with "Zionism."  Those are two different things.

"He said 90% were Bolsheviks. You keep trying to skip that part."

I am not skipping it. Bolsheviks are leftists, taken to the absolute extreme. Some people go around saying "all Muslims are jihadists" and while that's not actually true Islam certainly does instruct jihadist behavior. We prefer the polite friendly Muslim who doesn't take his religion too literally, and we prefer friendly leftists to totalitarian ones. This doesn't make the linkages between the various attitudes disappear.

Actually, you were being more nuanced in your last post than I was giving you credit for, but this is a little more than not actually true.

Some Republicans are hardcore libertarians.  Most aren't, but that's fiscal Republican policy taken to the extreme.  You can't go around and find a group that votes overwhelmingly Republican and then say 90% of them are libertarian.  It's not "not actually true," it's bullshit.

"And, again, is that hard to understand that "Bolshevik" and "nihilist" are two things that really, really don't go together?"

"Seems to me they do. Bolsheviks are motivated by power, not much else."

Rollory, I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.  Bolsheviks have an ideology, nihilist don't; and Bolsheviks as a whole are and have always been motivated by much more than power.  That's just ridiculous.

424 The repugs owe us

How....Kos-ian.

425 "There are such things as implicit premises. For example, the Executive branch is empowered with negotiating treaties and appointing ambassadors. What is it that ambassadors do? " The courts have decided what the constitution says, so why not STFU about what the constitution says? What say you pugs?

426 Isn't it interesting that all this talk about Ron Paul who is DEFINITELY FOND OF JEWS!!!!!! is centered around having to disprove for his fans THE MACHINATIONS OF THE EVIL JEWS?

427 The Jewish (Israel) can take care of their own selves. Lets all give it a try and not rely on big brother for a change.

428 Ron Paul.  Ace's head.  Rent-free.  Ha ha.

429 Ron Paul.  Ace's head.  Rent-free.  Ha ha.

Better there than the White House.

430

Everyone tends to start from this position, because that's the only way you can rationally approach a topic: this is true, this is false. Its not a weakness or a dementia to be absolutist or certain about something you believe to be true.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 08:34 PM (r4wIV)

Was Madison an absolutists? Everything is fine in theory but when he got to be President he found out about reality the hard way. That's why we again have The Federal Reserve, interstate road system, permanent military, etc. Madison damn near drove himself nuts trying to reconcile how he governed with The Constitution he wrote. And I'm not kidding.

431 So what you're saying, troyriser, is that in the name of diplomacy there's no limit to what the federal government is permitted to do? Or are there limits? Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 08:34 PM (r4wIV) Straw man, since I never made that argument and the logic doesn't follow, not even implicitly. Live the fallacy, brother. It's all you've got.

432 @428 Zionism etc - fair enough. "You can't go around and find a group that votes overwhelmingly Republican and then say 90% of them are libertarian. It's not "not actually true," it's bullshit." Libertarianism and Republicanism are diametrically opposed on certain issues, and not minor ones. As a general rule, most goals that a Bolshevik party would have as their platform would be things a generic leftist party would approve of - there's a party platform from the American Communist Party from the 1940s or so floating around on the net with a list of demands, of which nearly all have since been implemented. The difference being that the Bolsheviks are willing to start shooting people to do it right away. In this, they are not so different from jihadists wanting to impose sharia now via shooting instead of later by the vote - sharia gets imposed either way, as Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Egypt and Libya have seen - nor all that different from the rebels of 1776, who were a distinct minority of the colonists - I believe the commonly cited figures are that one third had rebel sympathies, one third were loyalists, and one third didn't take sides; and only three percent of the actual colonial population took up arms. The common thread here is that of a small group willing to go to extremes, and a larger group that doesn't sanction those extremes but won't go to much effort to stop it, and is generally satisfied with the results anyway. I am not arguing in favor of going around talking about all Jews being irretrievable bolshevik nihilist bulldykes; merely that this sort of hyperbole isn't as utterly divorced from reality as the snark implies, and that when any discussion of the matter IS met with snark or shut-ups (as is the case in most of polite society), angry hyperbole is a predictable result. "Bolsheviks have an ideology, nihilist don't; " Depends on where and how you look at it. Bolsheviks have an ideology: but what is the purpose of that ideology? What principles underlie it? What are its premises? The idea that there is an absolute truth, outside of and bigger than human existence, more important than human desire and human will, and particularly, more important than the desires of the person holding the ideology in question - these are rejected by leftists. They want power because they want to impose The Good on everyone else because everyone hasn't been smart enough to do it already, but The Good is always measured by the self - by the leftist individual in question. When you measure everything by yourself, when you reject the idea of an arbitrary external standard of morality, when you give yourself over completely to the ends justifying the means and those ends being defined entirely in relation to your own self, you end up rejecting a lot of the things that prevent people from becoming absolutely amoral, and from there to nihilism is an easy step. Lenin and Stalin and Trotsky didn't make their reputations by being moral paragons. The whole reason the USSR collapsed is that nobody believed the ideology anymore; it had become transparent what its purpose was - a system of power and control. You think the North Korean leadership has any transcendent, non-hedonistic ideals?

433 The Jewish (Israel) can take care of their own selves. Lets all give it a try and not rely on big brother for a change.

Well, since we give them $1.5 billion a year in military aid, and the annual Israeli defense budget is $16 billion, it turns out that they're not relying on us after all. You don't need to worry anymore.

On the other hand, what we get in exchange for our $1.5 billion in military aid is UAV technology that nobody else has. Did you know that the Israelis have an unmanned strategic bomber, for example? They've also helped us improve our anti-missile technology, to the extent that we may have already rendered the entire Chinese and Russian ICBM fleets obsolete.

The Israelis created reactive armor that we used on our vehicles in Iraq, saving hundreds of lives of American tankers and infantrymen. They're also about to give us the Trophy anti-tank defense system, which when mounted on a tank makes it invulnerable to enemy tank shots and RPGs, even fired from as close as six feet away.

A rational person would say that what Israel gives us in return for our small amount of aid is worth every penny.

434 "A rational person would say that what Israel gives us in return for our small amount of aid is worth every penny." Let them sell their technology to us. Buddiness. Israel, the whacky rights last bastion of, God loves us best.

435 I agree that the theory of how the United States should be built and how it works out in reality are often difficult to reconcile, but I think we should always, without ceasing, work to best fit the ideals and theories of the founding fathers in terms of liberty, limited government, and accountability. To the extent we've surrendered those things, we've lost liberty, lost our future, and lost the dream the founders had.

436 A rational person would say that what Israel gives us in return for our small amount of aid is worth every penny.

I agree, but the time is coming that eventually they won't need our help: they discovered oil

437 Straw man, since I never made that argument and the logic doesn't follow, not even implicitly. Live the fallacy, brother. It's all you've got.

So what you're saying then, is that there are limits to what diplomats and diplomacy entails, then? What are those limits and how do you define them?

438 Gosh, fellers, I see absolutely nothing wrong with my fellow Ron Paul worshipper's supporter's eminently well-reasoned comments. Perhaps your hooked noses are obstructing your view of the screen?

439 Let them sell their technology to us.

They do. That's what we give them the $1.5 billion for. Not a hard concept to grasp.

440 Some of my best friends are Zionists.

441 Libertarianism and Republicanism are diametrically opposed on certain issues, and not minor ones.

Hence the "fiscal policy" bit.

As a general rule, most goals that a Bolshevik party would have as their platform would be things a generic leftist party would approve of - there's a party platform from the American Communist Party from the 1940s or so floating around on the net with a list of demands, of which nearly all have since been implemented. The difference being that the Bolsheviks are willing to start shooting people to do it right away.

Sorry, but this still just doesn't fly for me.

Bolsheviks, to the extent they supported communist tenets, supported communal ownership of the means of production, supported democratic centralism as opposed to an actual democracy, and a slew of other things that (as much as the Democratic Party sucks) they don't support.

If you do not support those things (and the group we're talking about here does not), you cannot say they support the same goals; it's merely the means that differ.

Depends on where and how you look at it. Bolsheviks have an ideology: but what is the purpose of that ideology? What principles underlie it? What are its premises? The idea that there is an absolute truth, outside of and bigger than human existence, more important than human desire and human will, and particularly, more important than the desires of the person holding the ideology in question - these are rejected by leftists. They want power because they want to impose The Good on everyone else because everyone hasn't been smart enough to do it already, but The Good is always measured by the self - by the leftist individual in question. When you measure everything by yourself, when you reject the idea of an arbitrary external standard of morality...

When you're pursuing the good, however you define it, you're losing your nihilist credentials.  Bolsheviks followed more than that--equality among men, classes, races (okay, they gave lip service to it), ending "oppression" of workers, etc.  They also had a set economic view of how to achieve these things. This just doesn't cut it to get the nihilist card.

You think the North Korean leadership has any transcendent, non-hedonistic ideals?

Of course not. However, I think North Korea is a totalitarian feudal state, whatever they want to call themselves.

442 I agree, but the time is coming that eventually they won't need our help: they discovered oil

They already don't "need" our help. We have a strategic alliance with them. We benefit from that alliance. That's why we have it. The Israelis have developed electronic-warfare capabilities that are decades ahead of everyone else's. In 2007 they shut down the entire Russian state-of-the-art air-defense system in Syria instantly, bombed the Nork nuke plant, launched an air assault of commandos to retrieve samples, and got out without suffering a single casualty.

Don't you think aid to Israel is worth knowing how they did it?

They also extended the range of their F-15 to twice what Boeing said was physically possible. Boeing sent representatives to Israel after the raid on Syria and apparently found out what was done.

We have what's called a "special relationship" with Britain, Australia, Israel, and Singapore. We have those because we benefit enormously from all four.

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444 The courts have decided what the constitution says, so why not STFU about what the constitution says?

What say you pugs?

This is actually true. And the reason it's true is because of a decision called Marbury vs. Madison. Look it up.

445 I am not arguing in favor of going around talking about all Jews being irretrievable bolshevik nihilist bulldykes;

Hahahahaaha! That's why the only thing you've done here is defend Audit the Fed's drivel and wring your expressive wrists at the excessive snark.

If you were serious, rather than a dissembling moby fuck, you'd have been trying to explain to Audit the Fed, gently and without any frightening snark, why he was going awry in his spittle-flecked rant against the Eternal Jew, rather than try to explain to us how Audit the Fed actually has a point, because a lot of Jews vote for Dems.

Top Gear Top Tip, fuckhead. We know. It's not exactly a secret. The difference between us and fucks like you and Audit the Fed: we don't ascribe that voting pattern to the immutable "bolshevik nihilist" (keep wrapping yourself in a pretzel over that one, jackass) dark nature of the Jooo soul.

446 Are you teabaggers really that ignorant about the interpretation of the constitution?

447 Hey Reckoner, who gets to authoritively decide what is or isn't constitutional? C'mon, this isn't a hard question, I practically told you the answer, already.

Hint: it isn't Ron Paul.

448 we don't ascribe that voting pattern to the immutable "bolshevik nihilist" (keep wrapping yourself in a pretzel over that one, jackass) dark nature of the Jooo soul.

Right, we don't think there's something genetic about the wicked Joo that makes them innately leftist and unAmerican. They're misguided and foolish, not evil. They can change their minds - and some do - they can vary from this typical pattern - and do.

449

I'm really beginning to wonder if anybody here actually thinks any of the Republican candidates will actually do anything they promise. Scozzafava? MassCare? Just put your finger in the wind to see what Gingrich and Romney believe. Don't know anything about Huntsman. Santorum seems ok. Yeah, maybe Paul doesn't like our political relationship with Israel. I haven't read the offending documents that seem to prove to all conservatives on TV and radio that he is the second coming of hitler, but somehow I doubt he is on par with   Farrakhan. The silence on the part of the MFM does make me think there may be something to that though, since they all seem to be in love with palestinian terrorists, however, they are silent in general when it comes to Paul, even though he has some support among rabid leftists.

Is the plan to just take the senate and hope the tea party influence will shape policy, and have a politicaly motivated puppet in the WH that will have to sign to go along get along?  This is a serious question. If that is the plan, and we can get it done, I'm all for it, and I will vote for any of the clowns they nominate. Of course, right now we have Mr. milquetoast in charge of the House, stomping his feet then running away like a little girl(probably offended little girls there) when someone whispers "boo".   

I understand, and actually share most of the concerns about Paul's foreign policy( except, I would bring all troops home from non-war areas, and post them at the southern border until we can get a suitable physical barrier and a policing authority to protect it.... oh, and also to watch for ATF agents who might be tossing guns across to the other side.

If, in a crazy bizzaro world, Ron Paul got the nomination, would you vote for him, or Obama? I can't believe I'm even asking that, but sometimes I wonder. If the answer to that is yes(fingers crossed), i'll just shut up.

 

That is all

450 "452 Hey Reckoner, who gets to authoritively decide what is or isn't constitutional?" Its not a Gd barracks/jail house lawyer or a pug, that's for sure. The courts decide whats constitutional or not, not the fore mentioned.

451 sorry, missed Perry, guess I don't have any specific criticizm for him, except the general I belive whatever it is that this group before me seems to blieve, unless I just "misspoke". (the heartless thing was pretty transparent pandering)

452 Excellent blog, thanks for the share. I'll be a regular viewer.

453 No I would not vote for Obama or Paul, I'd write in like I did last time. Ron Paul would be equally incompetent and horrible for the country as president as Obama is, in a slightly different manner. I sometimes think he really believes he could just order things done as president and they would happen, and I fear he'd use the military and police to make it so if congress refused. I believe Ron Paul has some good ideas, but is basically like Mozzie on White Collar. He is useful where he is but you'd never dare put him in charge of anything.

454

fair enough....What about the rest of them?

455

@458

Also, so does that mean we really just want a lick finger, hold finger in air guy(or gal)?  Truthfully, I will vote for ABO, but whats the point? So they can keep increasing the debt limit, and incremenally decrease the percentage of increase in spending? To, me, this just seems like I am right to just be waiting for the shooting to start.

456 "I fear he'd use the military and police to make it so if congress refused." The radical left would push and test him very soon were he to be elected. There would be a lot of blood spilled.

457 I don't like any of the others running to various degrees and for varying reasons, but I would vote for anyone else (except Bachmann) for the presidency over Obama. I don't think any of them have demonstrated they deserve the job or our support, I don't think any of them have shown or have a resume that demonstrates they are qualified for the job, but they suck less than President Obama and would do far less damage to the country. And that's the world we live in now. We don't get a good choice, we get awful choices and two unthinkable ones.

458 "To, me, this just seems like I am right to just be waiting for the shooting to start." We crossed the Rubicon a few years ago. The radical economic cures needed to right this ship are politically untennable and would not have public support. There's not a single politician at the national level (even Ron Paul) willing to make the case for them and try to sell them to the public. In 30 years the USA will look nothing like it does today.

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460

Stormfront schtick??

 You boys and girls need to take a long, hard, look in the mirror...not that you'll get anything out of it, except for admiring your own reflection...

461 The courts decide whats constitutional or not, not the fore mentioned.

Very good. We've now established the obvious. So what's your point?

462

@462 Well, thanks for your candor. I still don't think paul would be "unthinkable", but I am kind of an isolationist, so that may explain it. I'm not registered republican, so the only one who will get my vote will be notobama. Perhaps speaking with Paulbots(yeah, I know, there's no reasoning with them) without saying "he's a NAZI NUTBAG CRAZYPERSON" would be more helpful for the entirety of republicans.  It just seems the mainstream republican party are using the same "say he wants old people to die and he eats live babies" tactic against him that liberals use against conservatives.  

  Although, It has passed through my mind, on occasion(usually while drunk), that perhaps he could be the sweet voice that ushers in a new genocidal regime(HItler didn't start out saying KILL ALL JEWS). Or maybe even the antichrist(yeah, im bitterly clinging to guns AND religion).

463

@463

 

yeah, that was kind of my thinking too... but it is that of which we shall not speak of, only prepare for. well, me anyway.

 

what do you/Ace or others think of Oath Keepers? I'm thinking of making this my primary charity donation...

 

 

464 How often did Ponytail Guy post videos when he lost touch with reality?

465 Hey, speaking of teabagging, anybody wanna?

466 So what you're saying then, is that there are limits to what diplomats and diplomacy entails, then? What are those limits and how do you define them? Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 02, 2012 09:16 PM (r4wIV) Article II, section 2, USC, particularly those clauses dealing with executive agreements and compacts. Paraphrasing an annotation by a constitutional expert: 'The capacity of the United States to enter into agreements with other nations is not exhausted in the treaty-making power. The Constitution recognizes a distinction between “treaties” and “agreements” or “compacts” but does not indicate what the difference is.' Different diplomatic goals are accomplished with each of the three: treaty, compact, executive agreement. The differences between the three aren't explicitly spelled out because the Founders presumed an educated readership and assumed the people would not be blissfully unaware of semantic distinctions. Presumably, the economic and military aid given to an ally such as Israel would fall under 'executive agreement' or 'compact', since I am not aware of a formal treaty with Israel, per se. Congress would be required to approve whatever monies would be disbursed for that purpose, so the extent of the aid to a given ally (or payoff to a dictatorship such as Pakistan for purposes of advancing the national interest) would be defined and bounded by the resources allotted to them by Congress.

467

I also like to think of the following as a personal philosophy, and I'm admittedly kind of a "do before thinking" knid of person, but FWIW:

 

"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

-Patrick Henry

And, if it were up for discussion, I would be firmly in the Anti-Federalist camp. 

 

I'm also aware of the irony of my name i.e.  "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance"

Better to be a slave to freedom than comfort, no?

468 Justice Kagan the Bolshevik dyke

Defends ObamaCare day and night

Goyim RINOs like Ace refuse to notice or fight

Because the bitch is a sacred Kike

469 The Federal Reserve is our best friend

Without banksters America would end

Don't mention the Jews everywhere

Or suffer the PC Police glare

470 There once was a RINO named Ace

Who had a Jew fetish so great

He ignored the plain facts in his face

And let the Constitution die in disgrace

471 There was a booger eating moron named Suter, Who missed his Haldol and found a computer, and then for reasons unknown to anyone with any shard of sanity, which clearly left the afore mentioned Suter and his Stomfront buddies out in the cold, said Suter fancied himself a wit and posted inane doggerel with not much rhyme, and little rhythm. Now back to the rubber room with you Uberscheissekopf Suter, lest the Bilderbergers trace your IP and haul you off to the Bohemian grove to be circumcised in preparation of your ritual cleansing so that your blood can be drained and sold to the Pentaverate so COL Sanders can use it in the secret chemical that make you crave his chicken fortnightly.

472

Dear Mallamutt,

Isnt't it funny?

I mean, I really hope the God I worship is the real one.... but if yours is the real one, I hope (s)he has a sense of humor...

Oh, well, I chose a side, so smite me if you must.... I feel sorry for the Athiests who refuse to play..  that will really piss off the real God, am I right?

Sooooo.. I guess we should all just get to killing each other now? Allright then, duty calls...

Sincerely,

Not your fucking child, so go fuck yourself.

 

But, you know, we really have no say in the matter... maybe its a bunch of gods taking odds on which religion will feel more self righteous about being killed for thier religion or lack thereof... In that case, if you were serious, you win!!! if not, that's probably negative points.

 

weak troll.

0/10

next time, try Bhuddism.... they win becasue we dont have to hear them complain about being persecuted.

 

473 I like Ron Paul.

474

474 is barely a limerick

 

475 and 476 are shit.

 

Muslim and Jew

sittin in a tree... K I S S I N G

first comes LOVE

then comes MARRIAGE

then we all kill each other in the name of our Gods.

 

But then Ron Paul shows up and destroys the world. Bastard. That was supposed to be my gig...   DEY DOOK RRR JBBBSS.

 

This will probably upset some Jews, but here it is anyway.. the universal truth.....

Budd: I don't dodge guilt and I don't Jew(RACIIIIIIIIIIISSSSTT!) out of paying my comeuppance.
Bill: Can't we just... forget the past?
Budd: That woman, deserves her revenge and... we deserve to die. But then again, so does she. So, I guess we'll just see. Won't we?

 

 

 

 

475 Ron Paul eats Jew babies.

476 he also rapes and kills them for fun......

477 but only tha Kosher parts!!!! LLLLLAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

478  A jew and a jew walk into a bar... then they argue about which Republican to blame for the bar being in the way

479 then they decide, it's not so bad, at least we're not republicans.... they eat live jew babies... and not even for the purposes of on demand abortion!

480 ron paul SAYS KILL ALL JEWS

481

Especially anne frank.   damn shes annoying.

482

Does anyone else here find Chelsea Peretti extremely hot?

483 I would procreate with her EVEN IF SHE IS JEWISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

484

Im bad.... so very bad.

 

Sorry Herr Paul, I will defect from the conspiracy against Jews if it involves not having sex with Chelsea Peretti, and/or Sarah Silverman, provided Sarah has a ball gag in her mouth. Permanently. Amen. or Shalom... whatever....

485

Remember when CNN searched out racist tea partiers and put them on air pretty much every chance it got. You seeemed pretty angry about that.

"... men whose sins ye envied, not abhorred"

486
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487 This thread seems to be filled with posters who are anti-Semitic loons. They read like, well, Ron Paul supporters....

488 Not a great Paul fan, but let's face it.....His comments don't apply to Israeli's but they sure do apply to Jewish -Americans.  Bolshevik-Nihilism is the perfect description.  Strangely, I think we're grossed out by his rhetoric...because...dare I say it...it's not PC.  Weird.

Posted by: Dlew at January 03, 2012 08:19 AM (w7ZVT)

Yeah, let's face it: some of you batshit crazy, Jew-hating, Hitler-loving assholes think it's safe to come out of that lonely, dark place reserved for the lunatic fringe. It isn't.

'PC' has nothing to do with anything here. Our grandfathers wouldn't understand what 'PC' meant, but they knew what to do with fucking nazis.

489

Posted by: Holocaust Industry GTFO at January 03, 2012 03:48 AM (TVIgM)

That means you, Fritz. And no, Godwin's Law cannot be invoked when one is dealing with real fucking nazis.

 

490 "So the question I have is this: If Ron Paul's not actually anti-semitic, and he didn't write his anti-semitic newsletters, why do so many anti-semites rally around him?"

If Republicans don't actually love Nazis, why did so many vote for David Duke in 90 and 91?

It's almost as if someone who does happen to have a repugnant history can in the end be the preferable option. What does this really have to say about Ron Paul, who stands accused of a) having stupid ass views on the only civilized nation in the Middle East, and b) having an non-politically correct viewpoint on whether anyone is to blame for crimes committed by thugs than the thugs themselves?

491

“Marxism, Socialism, or Communism in practice are nothing but state-capitalism and rule by a privileged minority, exercising despotic and total control over a majority having virtually no property or legal rights. As is discussed elsewhere herein, Talmudic Judaism is the progenitor of modem Communism and Marxist collectivism as it is now applied to a billion or more of the world’s population.”

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt11.html