June 22, 2012

#AOSHQDD : Interim Presidential Race Forecast, Part Four: The Swing States
— CAC

Realized I started these too late in the week and wanted the final with leaners included before week's end, so here is part four:

Post-Wisconsin I've been working with JohnE on expanding the Decision Desk to 50-state coverage. In the meantime, I've kept my eye on polling data and will continue to reveal the current projection of the Presidential race.

Finally, we introduce the swing states, those which may show the most activity jumping between the President and Romney. The lean Obama, lean Romney, and toss-up states make up the largest bloc of electoral votes outside the solids. They are, as their name implies, the most volitile. In most if not all of these either contender enjoys at best a five-point edge over their opponent, in several (Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Colorado) we are talking a point or less.

With this final category (split into three groups) added, President Obama enjoys a 263-253 edge over Mitt Romney, with 22 electoral votes as tossups.
Map below the fold.

OBAMAROMNEYLEANERSTOSSUPS

Dark red/blue states are the solids we showed in the kickoff thread, bright red/blue states are the likely, cerulean blue /bright pink are the "favored" states, and the light blue, light red, and purple states are your swing states.

Recapping, President Obama enjoys:
"SOLID" 131 electoral votes
"LIKELY" 37 electoral votes
"FAVORED" 26 electoral votes
"SWING" 69 electoral votes

Governor Mitt Romney enjoys:
"SOLID" 159 electoral votes
"LIKELY" 47 electoral votes
"FAVORED" 0 electoral votes
"SWING" 47 electoral votes

Much of Obama's "lead" overall is misleading, and unlike the findings of other analysts, the blue states, particularly in the midwest, are shaky ground for him. Two of the largest states in the swing category (lean/tossups) are in Romney's camp, and one more would make the President's re-election virtually impossible. A clever strategy for the President would be to fall back onto his "wall" in the midwest and northeast, as "ceding" smaller EV states wouldn't cost him nearly as dearly as, say, a Michigan or Pennsylvania.

The map also shows the way the United States has changed in the last decade. The midwest has become more competitive for the Republicans, the Southwest and Virginia far more favorable to the Democrats. Pretending these shifts aren't actually happening will result in a lot of misleading predictions and disappointment for either party refusing to accept them. Republicans face the challenge of defending Virginia, once a solid red state, and the SW corner of the Sun Belt. Democrats face the wrath of blue collar workers around the Great Lakes, in some regions more than they ever had (the Iron Range in Minnesota, Western Pennsylvania, UP Michigan, etc).

There is always one state or region that a close race boils down to. We are at a crossroads between a 2000/2004 race and a 1988/2008 one, so I'm going with a region of states that went heavily for Obama in 2008, split in 2000 and 2004, and went for the Republicans in a big way in 2010:

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If Obama holds all of these states, he wins re-election handily. If he cedes at least one, things get close. If he cedes two of the big prizes, he is done. As the campaign heats up, wonders of wonders, most analysts' focus will draw to these states and away from the current suspects of Colorado and Virginia, Nevada and Florida. These states have had the widest swings in political preference and suffered terribly in the recession; several have whole regions that have failed to recover by even the tiniest of margins since 2009. This is the battleground, whether we wishcast for someplace else or just accept it.

Like in the previous threads, if you are available to cover on election night in November (as part of an expanded project a la what we did with Wisconsin), contact me via twitter email, as it would be easier to keep addys around: theoneandonlyfinn at gmail.com. Mention your state. Also if you volunteered in the last thread shoot me a message to get the list growing. If you live in a solid/likely state, you can still contribute with senate or house races, but you will probably be assigned counties in the closest swing state to you to help report.
If I have already replied, no need to re-send, I have you down.

Posted by: CAC at 05:24 PM | Comments (153)
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1

Cerulean blue?  Really?

 

Let's see that man card.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 05:29 PM (X9iJd)

2 Why does anyone think VA will go Dem? It'll be an easy Red by 5 points at least!

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at June 22, 2012 05:29 PM (tLVmI)

3 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2012 05:29 PM (Ts9tU)

4 "Volatile".

Apart from identifying likely areas of interest, how meaningful is this sort of electoral map five months before the election?


Posted by: Looking closely at June 22, 2012 05:29 PM (+PDlV)

5 You never did say what was involved in helping report.

So . . .

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 22, 2012 05:30 PM (CP+yl)

6 Yay, another map.

Posted by: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz at June 22, 2012 05:31 PM (9yau1)

7 Would Wisconsin really be blue considering how Obama gave Barrett the major shaft during the recall?  I wouldn't think the union Dems there would want to turn out for Obama after that....

Posted by: Kate A at June 22, 2012 05:31 PM (kko3a)

8

"...how meaningful is this sort of electoral map five months before the election?"


I'm still trying to figure out what the hell he's talking about.  Somebody just tell me if all this mappy mapness bodes well for us or not.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 05:32 PM (X9iJd)

9 MOAR MAPS, PLZ!

Posted by: LoL Cartographer at June 22, 2012 05:32 PM (7+pP9)

10 And how the hell is MN not dark blue?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 05:33 PM (X9iJd)

11 I'm still trying to figure out what the hell he's talking about. Somebody just tell me if all this mappy mapness bodes well for us or not.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 09:32 PM (X9iJd)


I'm not doing as much of a happy dance as I'd like.  

Posted by: someone at June 22, 2012 05:34 PM (bqjJT)

12 Verdict in Sandusky trial!

Posted by: mpfs at June 22, 2012 05:34 PM (Fy6L7)

13 Crap, I killed the previous thread again.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at June 22, 2012 05:36 PM (rO1vw)

14 SUCK IT, AVERAGE JOE, PARIS, THE ACTUAL GREG, AND ALL SUNDRY OF OTHER SONS OF BITCHES.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 22, 2012 05:36 PM (famk3)

15 dose of reality this is.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 05:36 PM (Dnbau)

16 http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=nCn here is an example of a tie that fits CAC's map exactly. Oh how fun the riots would be if it went to the house because of this.

Posted by: Alex Stephens at June 22, 2012 05:36 PM (1/13k)

17 And how the hell is MN not dark blue?

Pawlenty as veep.  It could happen.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 22, 2012 05:36 PM (uMSNt)

18 *9 Make them in the Robinson Projection

Posted by: Alex Stephens at June 22, 2012 05:37 PM (1/13k)

19 Sandusky verdict coming up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 05:37 PM (piMMO)

20

Sitting together on a train were Pres. Obama, George W. Bush, a little old lady, and a young blonde girl with large breasts.

The train goes into a dark tunnel and a few seconds later there is the sound of a loud slap.

When the train emerges from the tunnel, Obama has a bright red hand print on his cheek.

No one speaks.


The old lady thinks: Obama must have groped the Blonde in the dark, and she slapped him.

The blonde girl thinks: Obama must have tried to grope me in the dark, but missed and fondled the old lady and she slapped him.

Obama thinks: Bush must have groped the blonde in the dark. She tried to slap him but missed and got me instead.

George Bush thinks: I can't wait for another tunnel, so I can slap the shit out of Obama again!!

Posted by: scottst at June 22, 2012 05:38 PM (2S8JC)

21 Wisconisn, Michigan, Virginia, and Iowa are the definitions of toss-ups at this point.

Pennsylvania needs a shove.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 22, 2012 05:39 PM (uMSNt)

22 What exactly is it that you're asking us to do on Election Night? I'm in one of those fabled suburban Philly counties.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2012 05:39 PM (sdi6R)

23 There's something like 45 charges to go through. That warrants a thread of its own.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 05:39 PM (piMMO)

24 Iowa will probably go Romney and Michigan Obama, which means Obama wins the electoral college.   We will have this consolation, the US will fall into depression, the dollar will become worthless and the flyover boys in the military will turn on the gutless wonders and impose a military dictatorship except in flyover country which will doubtlessly succeed from the what once was a great country.

Posted by: Bob From Virginia at June 22, 2012 05:39 PM (9oOfl)

25 Posted by: scottst

Veddy nice.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 22, 2012 05:39 PM (famk3)

26 OT Sandscumsey verdict coming down tonight

Posted by: Sonnyspats at June 22, 2012 05:40 PM (Qr9Rc)

27 To accurately predict VA you have to split the turnout models by area. 08 for NOVA, and selected downstate areas, and use 10 for the rest of the state. That is too much work for the bigs. I'm working on it, but without an 08 surge downstate, Obama and Kaine are toast. The NOVA burbs cant carry it without Norfolk and the polls downstate look like NC not MD. In 08, regions downstate looked like MD, today with 22% black unemployment, the gay thing, and Mittens talking like Teddy Roosevelt on shipbuilding, they don't. Everyone focuses on NOVA, NOVA cant do more for BarryO then it did 08, and BarryO is going to need a lot more.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2012 05:41 PM (a9Izx)

28 CAC - this is the map as it stands today, based on polling, I assume.  Are you going to throw out your best guess as to final results in map form anytime soon? 

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at June 22, 2012 05:41 PM (lJJMb)

29

drums fingers on desk...

 

Posted by: Meremortal at June 22, 2012 05:41 PM (jTKU5)

30 lots of fox watchers here

Posted by: Sonnyspats at June 22, 2012 05:41 PM (Qr9Rc)

31

Great video of Rep. Trey Gowdy's response to Pelosi who accuses R's of using F&F contempt vote of Holder to supress votes.

A Republican with balls.....I think I'll faint.

http://tinyurl.com/7owdccq


 

Posted by: Cheri at June 22, 2012 05:42 PM (0s4YQ)

32 WTF, Virginia is blue?

Fucking carpetbaggers.

Posted by: logprof at June 22, 2012 05:42 PM (ykSKg)

33 Depressing.

Posted by: MiloX at June 22, 2012 05:42 PM (4/gzq)

34 I love mitten ships

Posted by: Alex Stephens at June 22, 2012 05:43 PM (1/13k)

35 Ted Cruz handing David Dewhurst his debate ass at the moment.

Posted by: Beto at June 22, 2012 05:43 PM (BAnPT)

36 WTF, Virginia is blue?

Fucking carpetbaggers.

Posted by: logprof at June 22, 2012 09:42 PM (ykSKg)


Indeed, said this reverse carpetbagger.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at June 22, 2012 05:43 PM (rO1vw)

37 Logprof, so true

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2012 05:44 PM (a9Izx)

38 #31

Go SC.

Remember "You lie"?


Posted by: Looking closely at June 22, 2012 05:44 PM (+PDlV)

39 Sandusky is evil, the devil. He won't live long in prison.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 05:44 PM (Dnbau)

40 1 Cerulean blue? Really?

Let's see that man card.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 09:29 PM (X9iJd)


Fuck off.

Posted by: The Ocean Blue at June 22, 2012 05:44 PM (ykSKg)

41 Depressing.

No, it's not.  This will look very different by Labor Day.  This guy is not going to be re-elected--the economy stinks, his base is frayed, and he has no message.

It's actually over the other way.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 22, 2012 05:44 PM (WEHb4)

42 I need a few cheeseburgers!

Posted by: Meg McCain at June 22, 2012 05:45 PM (IzqW/)

43 Any congressman who uses the phrase "mind-numbingly stupid" to describe Cruella de Pelosi is a hero in my book.  Go Gowdy Go!

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at June 22, 2012 05:45 PM (lJJMb)

44 Text of privileged resolution recommending that Holder be found in contempt of Congress- http://bit.ly/KSzaFP /http://www.majorityleader.gov/Floor/weekly.html

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 22, 2012 05:45 PM (d6QMz)

45 20- Good one!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 22, 2012 05:46 PM (C8mVl)

46 Fuck off.Posted by: The Ocean Blue

You said it, brother!

Posted by: Deep Purple [/i] [/b] at June 22, 2012 05:47 PM (famk3)

47 Damn Fox zombie videos on the main page again

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2012 05:48 PM (a9Izx)

48 someone needs to deprive him of oxygen

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 05:48 PM (Dnbau)

49 I want mauve.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 22, 2012 05:48 PM (nEUpB)

50 Can they convict his wife too?  Willfully ignorant idiot.

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 05:50 PM (X6akg)

51 I want mauve.

I am proud to say that I do not even know what color that is.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 22, 2012 05:50 PM (B9nls)

52 I do not feel sorry for Dottie Sandusky. I do not believe she didn't know. She is a co-conspirator. I prosecuted sex abuse cases, usually by a step-parent. The mothers knew.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 05:50 PM (Dnbau)

53 "Cerulean" by The Ocean Blue:

http://youtu.be/cD5Bo-ZtQgg

Posted by: logprof at June 22, 2012 05:50 PM (ykSKg)

54 We're all watching the Sandusky verdict rather than making paint chip or prevert jokes, aren't we?

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at June 22, 2012 05:50 PM (rO1vw)

55 #39.....That's right!  The look on Pelousy's face was classic after he said that.  I think her troweled on make up cracked.

Posted by: Cheri at June 22, 2012 05:51 PM (0s4YQ)

56 NOVA ain't into it this year....

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at June 22, 2012 05:51 PM (tLVmI)

57 Wow.... Excellent work CAC and JohnE!

OR a swing state???  OR would be red if you took out the I-5 corridor (Portland - Salem - Eugene).  Same for WA State if you cut out SEATAC area...

Liberalism gotta be linked to the rainy weather in this part of the country....not enough anti-depressives for everyone here...

Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 22, 2012 05:52 PM (Jls4P)

58 Liberalism gotta be linked to the rainy weather in this part of the country....not enough anti-depressives for everyone here...

Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 22, 2012 09:52 PM (Jls4P)


You would think booze or  pot would help with that.  Sure, they're depressants, but at least you have a good time.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at June 22, 2012 05:53 PM (rO1vw)

59 Thanks circa. I just wonder sometimes how my fellow countrymen can be SO misguided.

Posted by: MiloX at June 22, 2012 05:53 PM (4/gzq)

60

off topic but yoicks:

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., thinks that President Obama should unilaterally eliminate the debt ceiling, rather than negotiate with Congress to spend more money when the United States hits the debt ceiling later this year.

“I would like to see the Constitution used to protect the country’s full faith and credit, as the Constitution does,” Pelosi told reporters Wednesday. She was endorsing the idea that Obama should use the 14th Amendment — which states that “The validity of the public debt of the United States . . . shall not be questioned” — to circumvent House Republicans who want spending cuts in exchange for another debt ceiling hike.

http://tinyurl.com/6rluorn

who was the Repub member of the House who said Pelosi was stupid..?

 

 

Posted by: mallfly at June 22, 2012 05:54 PM (NI3M5)

61 Why is Shemp on Fox at this time?

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 05:54 PM (X6akg)

62 Prisoners hate child predators.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 05:54 PM (Dnbau)

63

"We're all watching the Sandusky verdict rather than making paint chip or prevert jokes, aren't we?"

 

Why the hell I'm subjecting myself to intermittent images of Sheppy's overly-scalpeled cheeks and nose is beyond me.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 05:54 PM (X9iJd)

64

Let's see that man card.

 

This would fall under the 'Bob Ross Exemption'. 

See the appendices in the AoSHQ Style Guide.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2012 05:55 PM (2kvw5)

65 I think and pray that this map gets a lot rosier as time passes

Posted by: Cheri at June 22, 2012 05:55 PM (0s4YQ)

66 The Elizabeth Warren Bday ad, posted here of all places, makes me LMAO

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 05:56 PM (piMMO)

67 what one earth is Dottie Sandusky praying for now? Forgiveness? Or him.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 05:56 PM (Dnbau)

68 I wish FOX would bring in Harris Faulkner for all "Breaking News". She is always calm and "even"

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 22, 2012 05:56 PM (uVuwp)

69 Why is Shemp on Fox at this time?

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 09:54 PM (X6akg)


And why not Bill Hemmer, what with his rakish charm and unresolved sexual tension with Meghan Kelly.  Don't believe me?  Pay close attention on New Year's Eve.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at June 22, 2012 05:56 PM (rO1vw)

70 27--- Yeah, I don't see Obama having it so easy in VA this time. Percentage-wise Obama can't do better and could easily do worse in NoVa; whatever absolute gains he might get there from carpetbaggers and increased fraud will be offset by losses in the west. As you say, it will depend on downstate.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 22, 2012 05:56 PM (C8mVl)

71 #61 - Rep. Trey Gowdy, SC  "Mind Numbingly Stupid"

Posted by: Cheri at June 22, 2012 05:56 PM (0s4YQ)

72 63 Prisoners hate child predators.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 09:54 PM (Dnbau)


--Child molesters and terrorists are the lowest of the mow there.  I do not approve of 99% of "prison justice," but if a sentence is ridiculously light, well, that's where the 1% comes from. . . .

Posted by: logprof at June 22, 2012 05:57 PM (ykSKg)

73 Let's not forget that light blue NV is suffering from worst in the country unemployment, Vegas has one of the worst housing markets in the country (and Barry shat all over their convention business), and it's chock-fulla Mormons.


NV+FL (seems likely)+OH = bye bye Lightbringer.  If CAC is correct as far as PA being in play / going red, then IA, VA, and MI will have flipped before then and it will be a win for team Red.  It won't be a mandate, though, just a tantrum cuz us widdle babies want our jobs and are mad at daddy O.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at June 22, 2012 05:57 PM (lJJMb)

74 62Why is Shemp on Fox at this time?

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 09:54 PM (X6akg)

 

 

 

Moe and Curley were tied up.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at June 22, 2012 05:57 PM (HaUJF)

75 IMHO anything less than the death penalty for what he did to those boy's lives is ridiculously light.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 05:58 PM (Dnbau)

76 Don't tell me Shep Smith has no experience with boy slamming.


****

Grown men, perhaps. Shep has managed, two days in a row, to get me to cheer for him. He is very...very...pissed off about people referring to the acts with those boys as "intercourse" and "sex" rather than the correct term, which is "rape".


It is not intercourse when a child is involved. It is RAPE!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 05:59 PM (piMMO)

77 Turn it up... If you want our Romney in, here's a state you need to win I'm the map! I'm the map, I'm the map If you want a state to flip, let me help give you a tip I'm the map! I'm the map, I'm the map I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map I'm the map!!!

Posted by: Uncledave at June 22, 2012 06:00 PM (1qgTs)

78

It is not intercourse when a child is involved. It is RAPE!

 

But it is not always Rape-Rape.

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg for Roman Polanski Brand Rape at June 22, 2012 06:00 PM (2kvw5)

79 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 09:59 PM (piMMO)


Good for Shep.  That needs to be said, and said, and said, ad infinitum.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at June 22, 2012 06:00 PM (lJJMb)

80 77 IMHO anything less than the death penalty for what he did to those boy's lives is ridiculously light.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 09:58 PM (Dnbau)


--Said death penalty may then be administered "off the books," a la Geoghan.

Posted by: logprof at June 22, 2012 06:00 PM (ykSKg)

81 Why does anyone think VA will go Dem? It'll be an easy Red by 5 points at least!

You're way underestimating the government employee/contractor/libtard vote. Fairfax will be huge for Obama.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 22, 2012 06:01 PM (HtUdo)

82 Posted by: Uncledave at June 22, 2012 10:00 PM (1qgTs)


Oh you bastard that was unkind.  Mr. Wu has a word for people like you.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at June 22, 2012 06:02 PM (lJJMb)

83 I'm OK with that. sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 06:02 PM (Dnbau)

84

My wife and I want to make a website called fuckyoubobross.com where we invite a guest over and we all try to paint what Bob is painting at the same time he is. 

 

It involves a lot of frustration, cursing, and criticizing of The Master as he suddenly decides to ruin some Happy Little Stream with a big black line.  Our premature celebration that Mr. Ross has finally screwed up are dashed against his Happy Little Rocks as he manages, in seconds, to turn it into a plausible Happy Big tree with Maybe A Happy Little Squirrel Family Lives Right In There by scraping his pocket knife across the canvass a couple of times with pffhthalo blue.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 06:03 PM (X9iJd)

85 86 --- Damn. I like that.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 22, 2012 06:06 PM (C8mVl)

86 IMHO anything less than the death penalty for what he did to those boy's lives is ridiculously light.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 09:58 PM (Dnbau)




Is the death penalty a possibility for these charges?

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 06:06 PM (X6akg)

87 Are those pockmarks Sheppy has for cheeks, or is he part Cherokee?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 06:06 PM (X9iJd)

88 OK folks, its official.

The Obama campaign is desperate!!

Now you can your wedding guests donate money to the Obama campaign instead of you!

This is trashy, desperate, sleazy, and the person who came up with this is a fool.

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/the-obama-event-registry


Posted by: Rachel at June 22, 2012 06:07 PM (s9phV)

89 re 89: maybe he's descended from Pockahontas.

Posted by: mallfly at June 22, 2012 06:08 PM (NI3M5)

90 My wife and I want to make a website called fuckyoubobross.com where we invite a guest over and we all try to paint what Bob is painting at the same time he is.


****

A Bob Ross party where each guest gets their own easel and paints would be fun.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 06:09 PM (piMMO)

91 NYT says guilty on 45 of 48 counts.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 22, 2012 06:10 PM (GdPnp)

92 Oh you bastard that was unkind. Mr. Wu has a word for people like you.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at June 22, 2012 10:02 PM (lJJMb)



Glad I taught him *that* fuckin' word.

Posted by: Al Swearingen at June 22, 2012 06:10 PM (ykSKg)

93

Let's focus on the important things:

Greta van Susteren: "The Penn State  football program will everntually be up and running again."

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 22, 2012 06:10 PM (nbRuB)

94 People outside the court are cheering.

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 06:11 PM (X6akg)

95 guilty

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 22, 2012 06:11 PM (uVuwp)

96 There is Justice.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 22, 2012 06:11 PM (nbRuB)

97 #PunishSandusky

A full body waxing followed by a sea salt scrub.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 06:11 PM (piMMO)

98 The jury has reached a verdict in the Sandusky trial.

Given the stringent rules to reporters about when the verdict will be known to the Nation, it will be a few more minutes yet as they go through all 48 counts and enumerate the verdicts, then they'll be a dismissal of the jury and finally an adjournment when the press will be allowed to report the verdict.

I'm guessing 15 minutes to 45 minutes. from now.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 22, 2012 06:11 PM (CP+yl)

99 5- " You never did say what was involved in helping report." Yeah, he never did. Would help if he did. I mean, I'm in Virginia and I could help. But I'm not volunteering until I know what I would have to do. It could be too hard for me, like touch-typing or something. Or it could be nasty, like making liverwurst sandwiches with limburger cheese. We just don't know, do we?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 22, 2012 06:11 PM (C8mVl)

100 it doesn't make me want to cheer. It makes me want to weep.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 06:12 PM (Dnbau)

101 Fox is showing 'Jerry Sandusky Guilty in Abuse Case'.....bail is revoked.

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 06:12 PM (X6akg)

102 40+ charges, it's going to take a while to get through it unless it's guilty on all charges.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 06:12 PM (piMMO)

103 Damn, I hope NMA does a video on the Sandusky verdicts.

Posted by: logprof at June 22, 2012 06:12 PM (ykSKg)

104

"A Bob Ross party where each guest gets their own easel and paints would be fun.


 

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 10:09 PM (piMMO)"

 

Actually it would.  The fact that he can crank out such nice little nature paints so fast with a two inch paintbrush and a butterknife in such short time is amazing to me. 

 

Not quite as amazing as his afro, but pretty close. 

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 22, 2012 06:12 PM (X9iJd)

105 Guilty 45 counts!

Posted by: real joe at June 22, 2012 06:13 PM (PD2ad)

106 bail revoked

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 22, 2012 06:13 PM (uVuwp)

107 Fox says only one count, 'endangering the welfare of children' was not guilty.


How the hell did they find him 'not guilty' on that charge?!



Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 06:13 PM (X6akg)

108 monster

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 06:13 PM (Dnbau)

109 Didn't he also rape his son? and wifey knew nothing? BS. 

Posted by: Cheri at June 22, 2012 06:14 PM (0s4YQ)

110 re 93: not yet on FOX... wait... bail revoked... guilty guilty guilty... yeah, I think I heard "45"

Posted by: mallfly at June 22, 2012 06:14 PM (NI3M5)

111 Peaches is in the chat waiting for her ettes to join, gals

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 22, 2012 06:14 PM (niZvt)

112 Screw Joe Pa.....he knew.  He knew for years.....

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 06:14 PM (X6akg)

113 Joe Pa knew. Guilt killed Joe Pa.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 06:14 PM (Dnbau)

114 Is this going to be the Sandusky thread? Because I had a good analogy for this map. It would be like taking a poll of your average group of teenagers. If you polled 50 15 year olds, about half of them are going to say "yes" if you ask if they've had sex yet. And about two thirds of them would be lying. It's a meaningless poll, and it looks nothing like it will when this same group is 18, and even less like it when they're 25. It's June. These are 15 year old states. By November they'll be 30.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2012 06:15 PM (2pG7H)

115 COME ON OHIO.  SHOW YOUR SMARTICLES AND GO FULL RED, BABY.

Posted by: tdpwells at June 22, 2012 06:15 PM (7vA7k)

116 108 bail  survival revoked

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 22, 2012 10:13 PM (uVuwp)

FIFY, baby.

Posted by: George, Sweet Pea, El Sarco, and murderin' Johnny at June 22, 2012 06:15 PM (lJJMb)

117 oh good he is in shackles

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 22, 2012 06:15 PM (uVuwp)

118 I really can't look at him. Rot in Hell

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 06:16 PM (Dnbau)

119

Shep Smith: "He's guilty of anally raping little boys over a period of ten years."

Next step: Go after the effing coverup. A hell of a lot of people knew what Sandusky was doing- and did nothing. 

 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 22, 2012 06:16 PM (nbRuB)

120 Cruz v. Dewhurst mumbledy-peg match next...oh, wait...Cruz is not allowed to handle knives. Damn you, barky!

Posted by: 66chevelle at June 22, 2012 06:16 PM (QjSgY)

121 I'm not sure this was really ped-ped.

Posted by: Whoopi Big Butt at June 22, 2012 06:16 PM (jTKU5)

122 Convicts are gonna line up to fuck him just to say they did.

Posted by: Beto at June 22, 2012 06:16 PM (BAnPT)

123 @86 One of my favorite Bob Ross works: http://ihatepeacocks.com/resources/bob_ross_slayer_painting_lol_meme.jpg

Posted by: Uncledave at June 22, 2012 06:16 PM (1qgTs)

124 Shep is killing it

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 06:17 PM (Dnbau)

125 123 Cruz carved him up tonight

Posted by: Beto at June 22, 2012 06:17 PM (BAnPT)

126 Now this is what I want to know: How many other men had access to the children in that charity?

Those sick bastards always find more of their kind.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 06:18 PM (piMMO)

127 91re 89: maybe he's descended from Pockahontas.


Did anyone else catch the "Monk" rerun tonight? It was "Mr. Monk and the Other Detective". Guest appearance by Jason Alexander (George Costanza) as a phony private investigator. While tracking a suspect.he claims to be "1/16th Cherokee". Twice as Indian as Betsy Warren!

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 22, 2012 06:18 PM (HethX)

128 Now someone go after fucking Penn State

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 22, 2012 06:18 PM (uVuwp)

129 They work at camps and charities and as big brothers and school counselors and teachers. Anywhere they can get access

Posted by: Thunderb at June 22, 2012 06:19 PM (Dnbau)

130 Anything we could do to punish Sandusky would be as a  single grain of sand  is   to the Sahara desert for what he's got coming in eternity.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2012 06:20 PM (BAS5M)

131 why the Boy Scouts don't want homosexual scout masters.

Posted by: mallfly at June 22, 2012 06:20 PM (NI3M5)

132 132, I was going to make a football crack, but you know what - you're right.  No jokes.  Find out who knew what and when, and mete out justice.

Posted by: George, Sweet Pea, El Sarco, and murderin' Johnny at June 22, 2012 06:20 PM (lJJMb)

133 I'm watching this LIVE and no verdict has been announced yet.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 22, 2012 06:20 PM (CP+yl)

134

"Now someone go after fucking Penn State"

 

Already on top of it.

 

Wait, what?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 22, 2012 06:21 PM (X9iJd)

135 I'm watching this LIVE and no verdict has been announced yet.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 22, 2012 10:20 PM (CP+yl)

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You need to change the channel....he's already been cuffed and put in a police car.

Posted by: Tami at June 22, 2012 06:22 PM (X6akg)

136 Sandusky post up

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 22, 2012 06:22 PM (BAS5M)

137 Sandra on top or on bottom?

Posted by: mallfly at June 22, 2012 06:22 PM (NI3M5)

138 or in the middle?

Posted by: mallfly at June 22, 2012 06:22 PM (NI3M5)

139 They work at camps and charities and as big brothers and school counselors and teachers. Anywhere they can get access


****

Precisely! That mother-f***er opened a charity and put on the face of a fine citizen, guiding youth through troubled times....

This was not a crime of passion. Not a crime of opportunity. This was a crime which involved repeated and long-term scheming and lying and intimidating and manipulating....

He was a predator and there's no way in hell others didn't have access to those children.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 06:24 PM (piMMO)

140 Stunning. Californians actually voted against a tax increase. Barely. Maybe there's hope yet. Oh, who am I kidding. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/22/us-usa-campaign-tobacco-idUSBRE85L1F320120622

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2012 06:24 PM (sdi6R)

141 From Drudge:  Interesting that the SS told the Latino attendees to "eat quickly and turn in your forks and knives" before el JEFe arises to speak.  That ought to get a few more hisPANIC votes in the right bin.


Posted by: Hrothgar at June 22, 2012 06:24 PM (i3+c5)

142 Now someone go after fucking Penn State


****

Oh that's a given.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 22, 2012 06:25 PM (piMMO)

143

How about a count of He Killed JoePa

 

Posted by: USS Diversity at June 22, 2012 10:14 PM (cjTjM)

 

 

JoePa killed himself and yeah, I know it was facetious.

Posted by: ErikW at June 22, 2012 06:26 PM (SKdo3)

144 Romney should play h3 in Virginia, then he can queen a pawn in Wisconsin or Michigan. Wait, is this the chess thread?

Posted by: norrin radd at June 22, 2012 06:28 PM (x1FCB)

145 Well crap. What's the point of them having a video up saying it'll be about the verdict and they have nothing while everyone else is scooping the story.

Fox didn't even break in to the live feed to report the verdict.

I guess the feed was going to be the "official" verdict read out by some government official.

sometimes these people seem to not understand the medium.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 22, 2012 06:28 PM (CP+yl)

146 His own son said he was molested.

The jury weren't informed about that before deliberations.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 22, 2012 06:31 PM (CP+yl)

147 What I've never understood in these cases is the wives.

How does a woman, a mother stand by while babies are molested?

(figuratively speaking calling them babies but most mothers look at everyone as children. Well the good ones do. No not children to be bossed around but children as the future)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 22, 2012 06:33 PM (CP+yl)

148 150 His own son said he was molested.

The jury weren't informed about that before deliberations.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 22, 2012 10:31 PM (CP+yl)

 

I thought he didn't make  the accusation until after the deliberation began.  Or was that when it just it was made public?

Posted by: buzzion at June 22, 2012 06:36 PM (GULKT)

149  151 Bitter Clinger,
Yeah, moms look at their children always as 'Their babies or children", even after they're grown. Moms are like that.
How she could stand-by and let this happen to her son is quite strange...

Posted by: ChrisP at June 22, 2012 06:38 PM (626PS)

150 There are more perverts on the earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 22, 2012 06:38 PM (i3+c5)

151 Late to the party, but I agree with CAC for the most part -- differing on MI. IA has been a pleasant surprise though!

Virginia is one stubborn bitch. I was expecting it to move a little bit more.

Romney's doing quite well at this stage, his performance is better judged by the national trackers until we get closer. Much of the state polling is infrequently sampled and the averaged number is polluted by pollsters like PPP who have been systematically off this cycle. They produce state-level numbers which don't correlate with the known coupling (demographic and historical) between states and the national trackers which are huge, high frequency samplings.

We have more evidence for their shittiness in their WI recall projections. I especially liked Jensen getting out on Twitter after the exits came out and complimenting Barrett's pollster for being close (and by extension, his numbers)... hah, silly man.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at June 22, 2012 07:57 PM (JdSQO)

152 dark red/blue states are the solids we showed in the kickoff thread, bright red/blue states are the likely, cerulean blue /bright pink are the "favored" states, and the light blue, light red, and purple states are your swing states. That's confusing as hell. I think you just made me color blind. How many blues is there suppose to be? Dark, bright, cerulean, and light, plus purple? Expect to hear from my lawyers pal.

Posted by: Entropy at June 22, 2012 08:16 PM (Ci0JG)

153 MI and CO should be pink, and OH shoud be blue.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 23, 2012 03:42 PM (i330i)

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