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May 25, 2012

Asking National Bloggers Club About Personal Information Required For Donations...
— Ace

I think this is because it's a 501(c) charity, and those donations have to be tracked by law. However, I'm writing to them to ask about this, and if there's a threshold beneath which information doesn't have to be entered, and etc.

I will let you know when I know.

Updated: Ali Akbar at the National Bloggers Club says that he's looking into other options. This is the typical information sought when people fundraise for political campaigns. Under the circumstances, of course, other options might be advisable.

He's inquiring now-- this being a legal thing, he needs to ask his lawyers about it.

Posted by: Ace at 08:49 AM | Comments (72)
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1 If it's a charitable donation they have to keep the records. Please stay safe ace. I know you don't believe but you are in my prayers constantly.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 25, 2012 08:51 AM (I6uNA)

2 ...not to be paranoid, but ... not donations from me ...

Posted by: Mark X at May 25, 2012 08:52 AM (plLN9)

3 We need the streamlined Obama process.

Posted by: t-bird at May 25, 2012 08:56 AM (FcR7P)

4 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 25, 2012 08:57 AM (6HIQG)

5 Ace, Stay safe. You're in my thoughts.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose~AoSHQ Graveyard Shift at May 25, 2012 08:58 AM (iKSAz)

6 Yeah given the circumstances this is one case where I'd actually prefer to just send a money order to some PO Box.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 25, 2012 08:58 AM (VDusq)

7 I'd hate to think the leftards in Washington could or would use this against us, but given what is currently in the WH, I wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 25, 2012 08:58 AM (d0Tfm)

8 Are any of the high-traffic left wing blogs getting involved in this mess or is free speech now solely a partisan affair?

Posted by: 13times at May 25, 2012 08:59 AM (h6XiD)

9 Are we sure this isn't a bk affiliated "charity" I'd hate to fund the opposition. and I hope my paranoia doesn't discourage contributions (assuming it's legit). Just cautious, because bk has known "blog about bk" was scheduled for today. Any chance you could couch for this ace? (beyond linking,it)

Posted by: slackmac at May 25, 2012 09:01 AM (SJnfV)

10 OT: But I thought this was very interesting. Rush was saying that Nazism is basically identity politics on steroids and communism is class warfare on steroids. Nazism and communism together have killed hundreds of millions. Obama is adopting identity politics on steroids and class warfare on steroids in this election. This is not going to end well.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 25, 2012 09:02 AM (jUZRg)

11 Err "vouch" not "couch"

Posted by: slackmac at May 25, 2012 09:03 AM (KT1hV)

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 25, 2012 09:03 AM (8y9MW)

13 Could people just donate to you ace and then you could pass the money on if need be?

Posted by: Tami at May 25, 2012 09:04 AM (X6akg)

14 I believe that we should use the Obama Campaign donation standard...don't ask, don't tell.

Posted by: Mr_Write at May 25, 2012 09:04 AM (VJUQK)

15 Also, I'm still not seeing link-love in the sidebar for the Morons. I got a link from Michelle Malkin, but still not one from ace?

That's just sad right there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 25, 2012 09:04 AM (8y9MW)

16 It's A Trap!!!!!

Posted by: Ali Akbar at May 25, 2012 09:05 AM (RtpCp)

17 I think I'd rather hit the tip jar of the individuals affected and trust them to help out other people who deserve our support.

Posted by: slackmac at May 25, 2012 09:06 AM (KT1hV)

I got a link from Michelle Malkin, but still not one from ace?

How did you do that, AllenG? I can't even get registered to comment there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 25, 2012 09:07 AM (d0Tfm)

19 How did you do that, AllenG? I can't even get registered to comment there.

I think someone else sent it to her. I'm not registered over there, either.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 25, 2012 09:08 AM (8y9MW)

20 #8, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the majority left wing blogs and the members of the Journolist have been told to not say a word about this matter or face consequences.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at May 25, 2012 09:09 AM (KCvsd)

21 Phone calls starting soon on Rush. We'll hear if this BK thing comes up. Maybe Bo Snerdley will let at least one caller through.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 25, 2012 09:09 AM (d0Tfm)

22 Most charities allow for "anonymous" donations. The donations are not anonymous to the charities themselves - nor are they anonymous to the IRS - but I believe that the reporting for them to the public (including the 990s which are filed with the IRS and are readily available at the Foundation Center) can remain private. So if you trust the charity and trust the IRS, you should be able to donate "anonymously."

Posted by: Y-not at May 25, 2012 09:09 AM (5H6zj)

23 5 Ace,

Stay safe. You're in my thoughts.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose~AoSHQ Graveyard Shift at May 25, 2012 12:58 PM (iKSAz)

And if in danger Ace...SERPENTINE!!!

***

http://tinyurl.com/3e368nz

(God forbid)

Posted by: dananjcon-ski at May 25, 2012 09:09 AM (eavT+)

24 So could somebody put me some fuckin' knowledge about what the National Bloggers Club is?

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 25, 2012 09:10 AM (RD7QR)

25 #20, should have read "major left wing blogs". They aren't about to cut off their financiers and inside information to help out some "wingnuts".

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at May 25, 2012 09:10 AM (KCvsd)

26 I don't mean to come across as paranoid, but given the limited time available to vet this stuff + the fact that bk and minions had advanced knowledge of the blogburst, I'm just wary. Please donate as much as you can to a trusted recipient to fight these cretins

Posted by: slackmac at May 25, 2012 09:11 AM (KT1hV)

27 15-Geez, give Ace a break, Allen. You'll be recognized in due time, have some faith in the ewok. This is serious shit that might have him currently occupied, perhaps?

Posted by: Derak at May 25, 2012 09:12 AM (lLFUO)

28 This whole story just reminds you about how much life imitates art imitates life. It's amazing this guy is able to wreak so much havoc in peoples lives.

RSM says that he thinks they'll put him back behind bars when it's all said and done. I see him running with an insanity defense and getting away, again.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2012 09:13 AM (UK9cE)

29 Hey...Did I miss something? Is that National Bloggers Club donation site good? Or is there some question about it.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose~AoSHQ Graveyard Shift at May 25, 2012 09:13 AM (iKSAz)

30 I got a link from Michelle Malkin, but still not one from ace?

How did you do that, AllenG? I can't even get registered to comment there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 25, 2012 01:07 PM (d0Tfm)

She says in her post for bloggers to email her their info and they'll get it posted.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2012 09:14 AM (UK9cE)

31 I just googled 'Brett Kimberlin' and only came back with 84 NEWS hits. half of those were about guys named Brett that graduated.

If you hit everything, you still only get 84,000 hits. Half of those are about guys named Brett that graduated.

Simply amazing.

Simply expected.

Posted by: momma at May 25, 2012 09:14 AM (oKsWl)

32 You'll be recognized in due time, have some faith in the ewok.

I'm mostly just yanking Ace's chain. But there are always the Cob-Loggers who could be updating the "Brett Kimberlin Solidarity Post Dump" list over in the sidebar, yes?

Though I guess they may not be willing (or have been requested not) to touch this. So maybe I won't grouse about it in the next post. Too late for this one.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 25, 2012 09:14 AM (8y9MW)

33 @24 They have very little presence that I can find. Looks like it was formed earlier this year. No offense, but I would not donate to an organization that I did not know a great deal more about. I think the tip jar ideas are better.

Posted by: Y-not at May 25, 2012 09:15 AM (5H6zj)

34 Read through most of Pattericos story, and it sounds like he's been roughed up, much like prosecutors have roughed up tens of thousands, or maybe millions in my lifetime. So I have a little bit of a hard time feeling sorry for him on a personal level on his harrasment and possible loss of freedom. I'm sure that remark will piss off many here, but I'm too old to change my opinion on anyone who would choose to be a prosecutor. Its like feeling sorry for an excecutioner because he was hassled out of his job.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 09:15 AM (cWkOB)

35 It's refreshing to see conservatives finding their testicles.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at May 25, 2012 09:16 AM (mxnUd)

36 >>> I think this is because it's a 501(c) charity, and those donations have to be tracked by law

Don't worry, you can just make that shit up!!!

Posted by: The Obama Campaign at May 25, 2012 09:16 AM (/ROCY)

37 @34 Chacun a son gout. The funny thing is that I have the reverse bias. Much more trusting of prosecutors than I am of private defense attorneys.

Posted by: Y-not at May 25, 2012 09:17 AM (5H6zj)

38 29 Hey...Did I miss something? Is that National Bloggers Club donation site good? Or is there some question about it.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose~AoSHQ Graveyard Shift at May 25, 2012 01:13 PM (iKSAz)

They are a legit org. but the required questions/fields required to doante to the legal fund are little too intrusive.

Posted by: dananjcon-ski at May 25, 2012 09:17 AM (eavT+)

39 That's odd momma. When I google Brett kimberlin I get 135,000 results.

Posted by: Jimbo at May 25, 2012 09:19 AM (O3R/2)

40 but I'm too old to change my opinion Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 01:15 PM (cWkOB) enjoy it then.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 25, 2012 09:19 AM (oipCQ)

41 Thx danajcon-ski.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose~AoSHQ Graveyard Shift at May 25, 2012 09:19 AM (iKSAz)

42 I mean, come on! The police came and ripped him from his bed at gunpoint. Boo fricking hoo. Join the club, and change careers. It hasn't happened t me, but if it did I'm sure there's not a prosecutor in the land that would give two shits.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 09:20 AM (cWkOB)

43 Posted by: Jimmah What have you got against executioners? It's a honorable profession with a long pedigree.

Posted by: toby928© at May 25, 2012 09:20 AM (NG097)

44 I'm going to shut up after urging everyone to only donate to a trusted entity. Please don't withhold contributions based on my paranoia. It is a worthy cause to fight this type of intimidation.

Posted by: slackmac at May 25, 2012 09:21 AM (SJnfV)

45 The Twitter-verse in faya with this...I'm getting very little work done. Hope BK-scumbag-needle-dick-jizz-bucket doesn't snitch me out to my boss.

Posted by: dananjcon-ski at May 25, 2012 09:21 AM (eavT+)

46 @38 An organization can be "legit" but still not be the best vehicle to solving the problem. I see second and third hand reports about this group and references to things like advisory board members, but I can't find their financials, their staffing, or the board members listed anywhere. So there is no way to assess how well they function. There are lots of well-meaning non-profits that fail or waste money or worse. I would think giving directly to the folks who have been impacted would be better, unless the tax deduction is really important to you.

Posted by: Y-not at May 25, 2012 09:21 AM (5H6zj)

47 @46 But...but...but...I heard about them thru Twitter!!??!! How can that go wrong?

Posted by: Jypsea Rose~AoSHQ Graveyard Shift at May 25, 2012 09:23 AM (iKSAz)

48 Thanks y-not. You better articulated my concern.

Posted by: slackmac at May 25, 2012 09:24 AM (KT1hV)

49 31 I just googled 'Brett Kimberlin' and only came back with 84 NEWS hits. half of those were about guys named Brett that graduated. If you hit everything, you still only get 84,000 hits. Half of those are about guys named Brett that graduated. Bing has a cornucopia of info.

Posted by: runningrn at May 25, 2012 09:25 AM (WGmy2)

50 42 I mean, come on! The police came and ripped him from his bed at gunpoint. Boo fricking hoo. Join the club, and change careers. It hasn't happened t me, but if it did I'm sure there's not a prosecutor in the land that would give two shits.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 01:20 PM (cWkOB)

Eh..the guy could have been shot...DEAD. He had his phone in his hands; could have been mistaken for a gun. Perhaps I not getting your //sarc?

Posted by: dananjcon-ski at May 25, 2012 09:26 AM (eavT+)

51 Bing has a cornucopia of info.

Posted by: runningrn at May 25, 2012 01:25 PM (WGmy2)

If you gooogle the scumbags name w/o the quotes you get over 150,000 hits.

Posted by: dananjcon-ski at May 25, 2012 09:30 AM (eavT+)

52 50 42 I mean, come on! The police came and ripped him from his bed at gunpoint. Boo fricking hoo. Join the club, and change careers. It hasn't happened t me, but if it did I'm sure there's not a prosecutor in the land that would give two shits. Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 01:20 PM (cWkOB) Wow, let's see how tough you act if, God forbid, you ever get "Swatted", yeesh! Not to mention this guy had kids and a wife. They could have been killed as well. Also, the kids had to suffer the trauma of watching their Dad get arrested.

Posted by: runningrn at May 25, 2012 09:37 AM (WGmy2)

53 Eh..the guy could have been shot...DEAD. He had his phone in his hands; could have been mistaken for a gun. Perhaps I not getting your //sarc?

Posted by: dananjcon-ski at May 25, 2012 01:26 PM (eavT+)

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Yes, I realize that. It happens in a police state. And if he had been shot, absolutely nothing would have been done to the cop busted in and shot him.

Criminals are the enemy, and so are police. They're pretty much the same thing, except one is basicly immune in 99% of the cases.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 09:39 AM (cWkOB)

54 You sound like you should be in Chicago right now with the rest of the occupiers.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2012 09:42 AM (UK9cE)

Wow, let's see how tough you act if, God forbid, you ever get "Swatted", yeesh! Not to mention this guy had kids and a wife. They could have been killed as well. Also, the kids had to suffer the trauma of watching their Dad get arrested.

Posted by: runningrn at May 25, 2012 01:37 PM (WGmy2)

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If and when I get swatted, hopefully it will be legal to kill ANYONE who busts down your door. Especially over a phone call. But that legality wont happen in the US. Although I hear it can happen in Texas.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 09:43 AM (cWkOB)

56 Oh, and if the police came and initiated a gunfight ending in one of them being killed, PATERICO would prosecute it without a thought.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 09:48 AM (cWkOB)

57 A process that unleashes SWAT officers on the basis of a phone call (hoax or not) IS the issue.

Posted by: Jimbo at May 25, 2012 09:59 AM (O3R/2)

58 A process that unleashes SWAT officers on the basis of a phone call (hoax or not) IS the issue.

Posted by: Jimbo at May 25, 2012 01:59 PM (O3R/2)

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Exactly. :-)

And I did say some of you would be pissed at my post.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 10:06 AM (cWkOB)

59 Jimmah, We may all be too old to change our minds about things we know. But are you too old to change your mind about things you don't know? I personally have an idea what Patterico would and wouldn't be willing to prosecute. From what I read on his blog, he appears to be a decent if somewhat crotchety fellow. Does that make him a corrupt prosecutor? If so, I can't see it. Mind you, I have seen bad prosecutors and bad prosecutions. Does that mean I analogize those people and those instances to all? Of course not. While we all use prejudice as a shorthand (and by that, I mean "pre-judgment"), we are all capable of a more accurate view when given more information. I for one have enough information about Patterico that I do have sympathy for him. Dare I say, I would be hard pressed not to have sympathy for anyone whose sanctity was unjustly taken away by the police power as exercised by a SWAT team. Given your justified disgust with such events, it would seem that you too could have sympathy for Patterico. At least I hope so. Chris

Posted by: Seattle Chris at May 25, 2012 10:11 AM (lWTGt)

60 The info they are "requiring" on that site for a donation is ridiculous. I do a fair amount of work with political fundraisers -- they don't ask for gender and birthdate. All they need is employer and occupation in addition to the normal info that goes with a credit card payment (billing address and phone).

I donated to many charities over the internet and have never once been asked for this information.

The fact that this website "requires" it made me wonder if it was really some sort of evil phishing scam, despite the fact that it was linked here, at the most trusted website on the interwebs.

Posted by: Peaches at May 25, 2012 10:18 AM (kpCLl)

61 Jimmah,

We may all be too old to change our minds about things we know. But are you too old to change your mind about things you don't know? I personally have an idea what Patterico would and wouldn't be willing to prosecute. From what I read on his blog, he appears to be a decent if somewhat crotchety fellow. Does that make him a corrupt prosecutor? If so, I can't see it. Mind you, I have seen bad prosecutors and bad prosecutions. Does that mean I analogize those people and those instances to all? Of course not. While we all use prejudice as a shorthand (and by that, I mean "pre-judgment"), we are all capable of a more accurate view when given more information. I for one have enough information about Patterico that I do have sympathy for him. Dare I say, I would be hard pressed not to have sympathy for anyone whose sanctity was unjustly taken away by the police power as exercised by a SWAT team. Given your justified disgust with such events, it would seem that you too could have sympathy for Patterico. At least I hope so.

Chris

Posted by: Seattle Chris at May 25, 2012 02:11 PM (lWTGt)

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Duly noted, and I'm not being sarcastic.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 25, 2012 10:20 AM (cWkOB)

62 #61 Jimmah Cool. Thanks for reading.

Posted by: Seattle Chris at May 25, 2012 11:19 AM (O2FhX)

63 501c3's are required to report donations BUT the version of the 990 provided to the IRS should not reveal that (the 501c3 needs to specify this).

That would include both public versions posted at guidestar.org OR copies provided on request at the organization's offices - neither of which must include donor information (ie names and addresses - amounts are provided).

For reference please see http://tinyurl.com/bszl9bk

Posted by: Christine at May 25, 2012 11:38 AM (PGQ5p)

64 Clarification -
501c3's are required to report donations AND the version of the 990 provided to the IRS DOES reveal donations - BUT the version provided
BY THE IRS TO THE PUBLIC should not reveal the donors names and addresses (the 501c3 needs to specify this).

That would include both public versions posted at guidestar.org OR copies provided on request at the organization's offices - neither of which must include donor information (ie names and addresses - amounts are provided).

For reference please see http://tinyurl.com/bszl9bk

Posted by: Christine at May 25, 2012 11:40 AM (PGQ5p)

65 I'm going to insert my standard why don't they accept PayPal? beg here. the version provided BY THE IRS TO THE PUBLIC should not reveal the donors names and addresses (the 501c3 needs to specify this). That maybe so. The IRS as an info leak isn't that big of a concern, not to me. Selling the donor list, however, is a concern. I mention this because I've gotten mailings from Paul Ryan's PAC, as well as Mitt Romney this week. I've never donated money to them. I have donated to some folks in the 2010 cycle, and I'm wondering which one of you mofo's sold my data. That steams me. That steams me a lot.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at May 25, 2012 03:52 PM (1hM1d)

66 A 501(c)(3) can accept gifts which the donor can deduct from the donor's taxable income, but only if the 501(c)(3) identifies the donor. This is the only way the IRS can track charitable giving and charitable receiving to see that they match. If the donor does not want the donation to be tax deductible, they can give anonymously. A 501(c)(3) can accept it either way.

Posted by: shipwreckedcrew at May 25, 2012 11:57 PM (EeLmq)

67 This 501c3 is NOT real. As in, they are asking for your information and ARE NOT registered with the IRS. You are being scammed to pay the salaries of Breitbart staff, who, in turn, will point the finger at you when you harass members on Twitter. They know the find line between journalism ethics and the lawbreaking of harassment, blackmail, and intimidation. Those of you without domain names will be reported to the FBI & IRS first.

Posted by: Melissa at June 06, 2012 12:51 AM (bVocD)

68 It is my sincere hope that each and every one of you nutless, empty-scrotumed whack jobs throws every nickel you have into this phony "charity." I hope you mortgage whatever property you have and give all the money to Ali Akbar and all the other fat little blow flies buzzing around the rotting corpse of the Breitbart web universe. I wish I could be there to see the looks on your faces when you file your taxes (assuming you DO file your taxes, you criminal bastards), and get a letter telling you to report to your local IRS office for an audit... and bring ALL YOUR RECEIPTS because you've claimed an illegal deduction. I hope Ali Akbar and his associates take all the money you've given them and have a great laugh at your expense as they drink Mai Tais on the beach and take turns rubbing cocoa butter on each others' naked asses -- cocoa butter that YOU PAID FOR, you ignorant, foolish, easily-duped, fool-parted-from-his-money right wing blow jobs!

And you whine about being "identified." Fuck you. Nobody CARES who you are. You are the little beetles that crawl out of a corpse after the gas escapes during decomposition. You seek your "first amendment" right to smear and lie and ruin reputations and destroy lives without having to pay the consequences caused by your words.

That ain't the First Amendment, Skippy! The First Amendment says GOVERNMENT can't STOP you from saying, writing, thinking whatever you want. The First Amendment says NOTHING about anyone else having to PAY you for spreading lies, hatred, bigotry and your blithering stupidity.

But please, PLEASE!

Give every nickel you can scrape up to these crooks. Give them your parents' money. Empty out whatever you may have been saving for that vacation or your kids' education (that's a laugh, as if you were gonna pay to have your kids educated). Give every farthing, pfennig, drachma, euro or yen you can dig out of your couch cushions to these crooks.

Let their success be a testament to your nearly criminal stupidity.

Posted by: The Liberal Grouch at June 06, 2012 02:41 AM (wNpUj)

69 The post I intended to place here was rejected as having long strings of unbroken text, meaning that the algorithm figured it would be TOO HARD for wingnuts to understand.

I will try it again.

Posted by: The Liberal Grouch at June 06, 2012 03:07 AM (wNpUj)

70 Now, for those of you who are able to read, I present, in its entirety, the IRS Rules on 501(c)(3) and what the IRS says about political activity in a 501(c)(3).

To make it easier, I will even highlight the pertinent sections for you. This document can be found at this website.

http://tinyurl.com/33t2of

Now, let's read. Reading is FUN!

(apparently, the algorithm for this site is having trouble comprehending, so I must break it down into separate posts.)

Posted by: The Liberal Grouch at June 06, 2012 03:09 AM (wNpUj)

Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.

Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity.

Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.

(continued in next post.)

Posted by: The Liberal Grouch at June 06, 2012 03:09 AM (wNpUj)

72 (you will have to excuse the long nature of this. I keep getting the message that this system doesn't like long strings of unbroken text. Apparently that means, anything over four words is HARD for conservatives to understand.)

Now, let's review.

These fuck sticks can be a 501(c)(3) all they want, as long as they are donating to bloggers who NEVER WRITE ANYTHING AGAINST A POLITICAL CANDIDATE.

The fact that they exist to support RIGHT OF CENTER bloggers is a prima facie violation of that tenet right there, kids!

You can donate to this "charity" if they support blogs that "get out the vote" as long as they don't say get out the REPUBLICAN vote, get out the ROMNEY vote, or LET'S MURDER THE PRESIDENT, which is a whole 'nother issue entirely.

EVIDENCE OF BIAS in these blogs, supported by this "charity" would be a disqualifying factor.

And finally, the IRS has resources to monitor the "charity" and its activity.

So... you gotta ask yourself.

Do YOU wanna hop into this cesspool of vipers?

I sincerely hope you do, and that you suffer all the misfortune, fines, perhaps even jail time that comes with it.

Please. Sell your car. Donate to this "charity."

DO IT, you right wing idiots. DO IT NOW!

And have a LOVELY day.

Posted by: The Liberal Grouch at June 06, 2012 03:14 AM (wNpUj)

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