March 04, 2012
— andy This video has generated some strong pro and con reactions among Ace and the cob loggers as well as in the conservative Twittersphere.
I was wondering what the Moron Horde thought of it.
Watch, vote and discuss in the comments Breitbarts.
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Posted by: delmar at March 04, 2012 06:46 AM (9gPni)
Posted by: Lee at March 04, 2012 06:47 AM (fmL9O)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 06:48 AM (Why44)
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Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 06:48 AM (Why44)
Posted by: real joe at March 04, 2012 06:52 AM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: Lee at March 04, 2012 10:47 AM (fmL9O)
Hmmmm.....is this Lee Stranahan, who so graciously said on twitter last night.......
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 06:53 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Swanny at March 04, 2012 06:55 AM (ZthpO)
Posted by: Revvy at March 04, 2012 06:58 AM (32kK3)
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 06:59 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: mugiwara at March 04, 2012 07:00 AM (hGb5f)
If you want to be healthy and live longer, sure, it's good advice.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:01 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: nip at March 04, 2012 07:01 AM (uRVaX)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 04, 2012 07:02 AM (vj51i)
Probably the people who are letting it kill them too. Politics are important but ultimately it was more important for Andrew to be here for his wife and children than for us.
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 07:02 AM (xXGK4)
Posted by: JD Will at March 04, 2012 07:03 AM (4fjKI)
Posted by: infidelphia at March 04, 2012 07:04 AM (YJdgp)
Nothing is important.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:05 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: deadrody at March 04, 2012 07:07 AM (eOvu0)
don't believe Andrew could have been anyone but Andrew. people that cared about him personally/politically , want him back.
Posted by: willow at March 04, 2012 07:07 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:07 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Jim Treacher at March 04, 2012 07:07 AM (X3KAb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 07:07 AM (Ho2rs)
Wouldn't make anything important, no matter how much it may make a person think something is.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:08 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Palerider at March 04, 2012 07:08 AM (FBj6Z)
Posted by: Kevin at March 04, 2012 07:08 AM (3o64G)
Posted by: deadrody at March 04, 2012 07:09 AM (eOvu0)
A heart attack at 42 (which Breitbart had) is usually a widowmaker. I was also amazed to find out he was only 43--he looked far older. I'm grateful for the time we had with AB, but I wish he would have taken the steps necessary to make it longer.
Three takeaways from the Whittle piece: 1) take care of yourself; 2) step away from this crap every once in a while; 3) the media are the enemy. I give that a favorable.
Posted by: Palandine at March 04, 2012 07:11 AM (g7D8V)
Well, not intentionally. But there is a strong argument to be made, I think, that life-affirming policies, especially having children, cause more harm than is warranted.
http://youtu.be/VpACAyWxleE
Andrew may well have preferred to live in such a way that he enjoyed and loved it than sit twiddling his thumbs away from the fight.
Sure fighters die younger, as a rule, but ... so what?
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:11 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: southdakotaboy at March 04, 2012 07:11 AM (Ur6Wj)
Family, yes. Andrew, no.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:12 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 07:13 AM (Ho2rs)
Any of you people with this opinion think ANDREW and HIS FAMILY think it would be better if he had slowed down a bit and was still ALIVE?!
Posted by: deadrody at March 04, 2012 11:09 AM (eOvu0)
So you're saying he'd still be alive then? Guess what buttercup, you're gonna die someday too, and I'll bet you can't tell me when, no matter how few tweets you make.
Posted by: mugiwara at March 04, 2012 07:13 AM (hGb5f)
Posted by: Ward at March 04, 2012 07:13 AM (Mdpph)
Then there's that. This is true.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:14 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Palandine at March 04, 2012 11:11 AM (g7D8V)
That's my take on it as well.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 04, 2012 07:14 AM (2MV7C)
I mean, it's not like I'm BLAMING him for not having done that or anything, but Jesus, is it really so terrible to say that it'd be nice if we all focused on our health a bit? I mean, we say that to Ace all the time, right?
Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at March 04, 2012 07:14 AM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at March 04, 2012 07:15 AM (S3rrR)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:15 AM (YiE0S)
what are you talking about?
He's declared that nothing is important. So, really he's not talking about anything. He's just making noises.
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 07:16 AM (xXGK4)
'I agree,' is a lot easier to say than to explain why one disagrees --- that ain't rocket science.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:16 AM (YiE0S)
Having had a heart attack, I viewed the vid favorably. I have accomplished much after my wake up call. I saw with a fresh vision my loved ones concern for me as husband, Dad and friend. Breitbart was a brilliant man and an asshole for ignoring the signs that were right in front of him warning of his early doom. He cheated his wife, children and friends of his presence. If he had only taken a small percent of his time to care from his scedule to take care of himself he could still be fighting the fight.
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If Whittle's vid makes people aware of the consequences of ignoring warning signs then it is one of the more valuable bits of work he's done.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 04, 2012 07:16 AM (JKNDp)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 04, 2012 07:17 AM (jucos)
Posted by: willow at March 04, 2012 07:17 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: mike at March 04, 2012 07:17 AM (pbxle)
One hand for yourself seems fair. You can't save the ship if you are swimming/drowning.
Posted by: And Irresolute at March 04, 2012 07:17 AM (RC3M9)
It's very simple, really. Every person will lose everything and everyone they care about, inevitably, and most will live with this knowledge and fears throughout their lives; the 'lucky' ones to live to old age will see it over and over again.
They will also probably go through a great deal of misery during life and death.
ALL of that is caused by being born. All of that can be avoided by not bringing a person into existence.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:18 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: lowandslow at March 04, 2012 07:19 AM (GZitp)
Posted by: robtr at March 04, 2012 07:19 AM (MtwBb)
How about this? Fighting hard on the right and necessary battles. And being wise in picking the right ones. There's no need to reply every time some progressive turd calls you a 'conservative c*nt'. If we all did that, we'd become the left - unproductive and without jobs. These people are miserable. They have no lives. And often times no soul. Why become them? Mock them and then say 'goodnight shitstain'. Don't go 12 rounds. There's no point. Really, there's not.
I think the approach that would be most effective is the one Stuck on Stupid took this week at his job. If you're unfamiliar w/his story, it's in the 'L.A. Moron Meet-Up' thread.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 04, 2012 07:20 AM (0WafZ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 07:20 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 07:21 AM (qOpnH)
ALL of that is caused by being born. All of that can be avoided by not bringing a person into existence.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 11:18 AM (YiE0S)
Well aren't you a fucking ray of sunshine.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 07:22 AM (X6akg)
The comments this morning are a little pissy. We all deal with grief differently. Whittle's approach was to try and find or create some good from his loss.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 04, 2012 07:23 AM (JKNDp)
I would just say this: It's a value judgment, not a right or wrong thing. Some may value doing what they want, when they want, the way they want to do it more; and others value longevity and feeling good over the long haul more so they do more preventative type things.
It isn't like all humans have the same nervous systems.
Andrew was a spontaneous kinda guy, really, and a man of action. Fighters and alpha-male types often die young, and not only in Homo sapiens --- in other primate species' as well.
He's provided for his children. I am not sure having children is an unqualified good, but it would appear to be the purpose of life to the degree there is one. His survival was always impossible; it's about his genes and his legacy.
And he has both in play still. Many people never even GET them in play.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:24 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 07:24 AM (Ho2rs)
ALL of that is caused by being born. All of that can be avoided by not bringing a person into existence.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 11:18 AM (YiE0S)
I thoughts I was big nihilist.
Posted by: Skwisgaar Skwigelf at March 04, 2012 07:24 AM (MmrSI)
Posted by: Palandine at March 04, 2012 07:24 AM (g7D8V)
No, I'm pointing out parents inevitably create a situation where their offspring will develop hopes and dreams and lose everything one way or the other.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:25 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: lowandslow at March 04, 2012 07:25 AM (GZitp)
Posted by: AGuyWhoGetsShirts at March 04, 2012 07:25 AM (K5vkZ)
note: random should never be put in charge of anything....ever.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 11:24 AM (Ho2rs)
Too bad his mother didn't feel the same way he does.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 07:25 AM (X6akg)
People require a healthy diet, exercise, quality sleep, and ways to manage stress or they will die young.
That doesn't mean one shouldn't be passionate or work hard but it does mean that one should prioritize health about all else.
You're no good to us dead.
Posted by: runninrebel at March 04, 2012 11:22 AM (N/1Dm)
This I can agree with. But it's not what Whittle was saying. Breitbart probably should have taken better care of his body with a little regular exercise. But he didn't, and even had he, he may still be dead today. Telling him he should have taken extended breaks from his passion and furthermore that he'd be alive if he did is quite the load of BS.
Posted by: mugiwara at March 04, 2012 07:26 AM (hGb5f)
I have posted many times that the MFM (not media) is the mortal enemy of individual rights and freedom. Breitbart got that. It's why the GOP so often flinches and cowers, and why for that reason, I have so little respect for THEM.
Are you listening McConnell,....... Boehner?
Until the agenda of the commie inspired MFM is exposed and debunked nothing will change.
Call them drive bys or flying monkeys - they are a treacherous enemy that conspire to undermine critical thinking and individual opinion. And in combination with the commie teachers unions of public education they've been highly successful with their younger targets.
If you haven't seen any of the YouTube videos on the Frankfurt School, the game plan is well laid out right there.
Posted by: ontherocks at March 04, 2012 07:26 AM (ZJCDy)
Posted by: real joe at March 04, 2012 07:26 AM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:27 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 07:27 AM (Ho2rs)
But if it's not important why does that concern you?
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 07:27 AM (xXGK4)
^^^
Hey, guys & gals, remember when I was just talking about miserable people......!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 04, 2012 07:27 AM (0WafZ)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 04, 2012 07:27 AM (nZvGM)
Yeah. I mean, it's an option. It's a value judgment. And you're always deciding under uncertainty either way. There is no guarantee that would work, and as it happens, Andrew created more change than probably any person reading or writing about him here.
So I'm reluctant to give him hard and fast rules under the circumstances.
HE LIKED being an on the go kind of guy. Maybe he'd have lived longer, but not enjoyed it as much? Is that even an improvement?
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:29 AM (YiE0S)
I tend to think that Andrew worked so hard because, by and large, he was the only one out there fighting the kind of fight that he knew had to be waged. I don't mean this as a slight to anyone who's in the trenches. Ace certainly has done excellent work, and I highly commend him for his weiner beat down :-)
But Andrew was THE high profile person. He was the one trying to show us all the way. He carried a lot on his shoulders. He was at the forefront of the lines in this war, and like any good soldier, he wasn't about to take R&R in the heat of battle.
Posted by: Havedash at March 04, 2012 07:30 AM (JfvbF)
Sure, but ... you're not going to live long either way.
Andrew lived 'til 43, enjoying the flower of his youth and prowess. Some like to suck out every last drop of life from the tree, but not all. Some would just as soon die in bloom.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:31 AM (YiE0S)
You'd get more intelligent responses from the buffalo.
Posted by: Htom Sirveaux at March 04, 2012 07:31 AM (PxzSs)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 04, 2012 07:31 AM (JKNDp)
Posted by: Damiano at March 04, 2012 07:31 AM (A2+pr)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 07:31 AM (qOpnH)
You've obviously got stronger nerves (and stomach) than I do.
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at March 04, 2012 07:33 AM (S3rrR)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 07:33 AM (Ho2rs)
You've changed your mind? Creating change is now something that's important?
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 07:34 AM (xXGK4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl
You're the one who's actually being an asshole, to be honest.
I've expressed my views and my reasons for them. You've insulted me and called me names, including a psychopath.
Everything I've said is simply reflecting reality and verifiable true. Yes, there are positive experiences in life. But there are huge, massive negative experiences in life, including often abject horrors, and often the biggest horror of all, losing everything one grows to love.
This is a fact.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:34 AM (YiE0S)
It was important to him. It was something he enjoyed doing, and something almost everyone here commenting thinks is important. No, it isn't in an ultimate sense important. We're biological machines doing what we do and it doesn't really matter.
I was addressing the comment I replied to on its own terms, with its own presumptions.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:35 AM (YiE0S)
Whittle has a little "awkward" style , but his hearth was in that , and it was a good message.
Media is the perpetrator and destroyer of truth.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 04, 2012 07:36 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Palandine at March 04, 2012 07:36 AM (g7D8V)
I got my own name for "flyover country." I like to call it America.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 04, 2012 07:37 AM (p7AYS)
Sorry you don't get that.
Posted by: Andy at March 04, 2012 07:37 AM (XG+Mn)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 11:34 AM (YiE0S)
Breitbart is dead is the only fact. You've been creating a bunch of maybe this and maybe that and quality of life strawmen posing as facts. And being a dick.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 04, 2012 07:37 AM (2MV7C)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:37 AM (YiE0S)
^^^
Not really. You've just put your misery on display.
I feel sorry for you.
And with that, I'm taking my own advice. No reason to read this thread any longer.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 04, 2012 07:38 AM (0WafZ)
Posted by: Palerider at March 04, 2012 07:38 AM (FBj6Z)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 04, 2012 07:39 AM (jucos)
Bill doesn't always hyper-analyze his missives (written or video) to try to second-guess how his audience will second-guess him, so this is almost pure, raw reaction to the moment: grief at the loss of a friend, beta version. No focus groups. No QA.
I give Bill points for maintaining as even a strain as he does here, and making the points he does, given the loss his country has just experienced and, combined with that, the loss he, personally, has just experienced, which is visibly apparent.
In the end, what else did he need to say?
Posted by: goy at March 04, 2012 07:39 AM (6bwIq)
I also am doing my part not to die by ignoring SCoaMF's speeches.
If he comes on TV and the remote isn't in reach I will get up, walk across the room and GET the remote in order to shut him up.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 04, 2012 07:39 AM (vj51i)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 04, 2012 07:39 AM (nZvGM)
"Sorry you don't get that."
I guess enjoying the journey, being that we're sentient beings, makes more sense than not enjoying the journey. But only some of us will be able to do so and it will be accompanied by a lot of pain and grief and the inevitable loss of everything, including consciousness itself.
And now, at this moment, Andrew Breitbart has ceased to exist. His legacy is of interest to us, but not at all to him because there is no him.
I DO kind of get that, actually.
I would say that bringing a child into the world is far from an unqualified good though.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:40 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Randam at March 04, 2012 07:40 AM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Palandine at March 04, 2012 07:40 AM (g7D8V)
Posted by: supercore23 at March 04, 2012 07:40 AM (ZUFNn)
If I ever run into that guy, I'm going to hold him down so that Lee Stranahan can beat him to death more easily!!!1!!
The temerity!
Posted by: Kensington at March 04, 2012 07:41 AM (uaEZS)
Maybe, but more people will take the time to get through a video.
It's just how media is going.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:42 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: chp at March 04, 2012 07:42 AM (WM5nd)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 04, 2012 11:27 AM
Yeah, usually they are called liberals.
Posted by: huerfano at March 04, 2012 07:42 AM (fIuC0)
But Andrew was THE high profile person. He was the one trying to show us all the way. He carried a lot on his shoulders. He was at the forefront of the lines in this war, and like any good soldier, he wasn't about to take RR in the heat of battle.
Posted by: Havedash at March 04, 2012 11:30 AM (JfvbF)
Yes , he saw things that needed to be done , and tried to do it all.
It still has to be done.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 04, 2012 07:43 AM (AWmfW)
Some here have put AB on a pedestel, and don't see him as the complete Man he was.... Whittle saw him as a friend and equal... with good points and flaws...
Military philosophy... there are Warriors and Soldiers.... Warriors do great things, and often die a glorious death... Soldiers just slog along, surviving, and getting the job done... Warriors make good stories, and are inspirational... but its the Soldiers who win wars...
AB- Warrior... Whittle- Soldier... and this was a Soldier trying to keep a Warrior around a bit longer....
I approve...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 04, 2012 07:43 AM (lZBBB)
But if that's not the case.....WHOA!, you have serious issues.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 07:44 AM (X6akg)
I remember Lee Stranahan as that guy that quit Patterico's over some kind of media ethics issue or other (his lack of same) and I never understood why he's still at Big Government.
I REALLY don't understand why he thinks slagging one of Andrew Breitbart's friends and better-known peers -- and talking about doing him violence -- is appropriate now, particularly since Stranahan's still working for a Breitbart website.
Not that the whole thing's important or anything.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:45 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Kensington at March 04, 2012 07:45 AM (uaEZS)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 07:45 AM (qOpnH)
Now is the time to get serious about winning in Nov. if you weren't or it's going to be terrible.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 04, 2012 07:45 AM (VZAm7)
Comments - meh
There is no second guessing or introspective masturbatory dialogue when you're dead.
Posted by: Fritz at March 04, 2012 07:46 AM (FDEjy)
So things are conditionally important and your original comment was out of context and therefore meaningless.
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 07:47 AM (xXGK4)
Breitbart was running a business, and there is no such thing as taking it easy. You either work 24/7/365 or not at all. ON/OFF. Thats how it generally works.
Posted by: Jimmah at March 04, 2012 07:47 AM (vj51i)
Posted by: Brian in BC at March 04, 2012 07:47 AM (3lxx0)
Posted by: Lauren at March 04, 2012 07:48 AM (bRPcD)
Posted by: nickless at March 04, 2012 07:48 AM (MMC8r)
And, further, can anyone explain it to me. I just never understood what the point of that was? Was it just some kind of group fantasy, some kind of paper MMO? It seemed a little silly to me.
Posted by: Kensington at March 04, 2012 07:49 AM (uaEZS)
>>> We can't get there without having children and encouraging them to make more children.
What you're saying is plausible (up to a point: we're not going to get around the heat death of the universe, so we'd really be kicking the can down the road), but also unlikely.
Since the Cambrian explosion, intelligence and cognitive abilities generally have been increasing exponentially, slowly at first, then much faster with the rise of the hominids, and now with technology including language, printing, the internet, mathematical symbology, increases in computer memory storage and processor speed, and especially even dramatically more rapid increases in software algorithms, we are well on our way to create super-human, non-human artificial intelligences. When we do this -- and it's almost inevitable we will -- we are far more likely to be supplanted and extincted, than to have our brand of apes controlling the self-created conscious-immortality machinery of the universe.
In short, science, technology, freedom (of thought), and capitalism itself -- all the things we've been raised to hold dear because they DO improve the quality of human experience -- will probably extinct our species and our offspring.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:51 AM (YiE0S)
You know, if he would just shave off those fucking muttonchops, I'd be willing to call it even. Dude! It's not 1970 anymore.
Posted by: Kensington at March 04, 2012 07:51 AM (uaEZS)
Posted by: snowcrash at March 04, 2012 07:51 AM (t2NQr)
Be passionate and angry, but look after your heart. Occasionally, turn it all off and take care of yourself. I don't see how that is offensive advice. It's good advice. We can only guess if such a track would have helped Andrew. Can we bring him back to life and have a do-over?
Posted by: rectal exam at March 04, 2012 07:52 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: runner at March 04, 2012 07:52 AM (WR5xI)
Posted by: Kensington at March 04, 2012 07:52 AM (uaEZS)
Posted by: supercore23 at March 04, 2012 07:52 AM (ZUFNn)
There is no winning the political fight, it's an endless pitched battle and blue face-paint and sound and fury obscured by the smog of propaganda.
Posted by: 13times at March 04, 2012 07:53 AM (h6XiD)
Posted by: Damiano at March 04, 2012 07:53 AM (A2+pr)
Biological organisms with nervous systems have emotions and we perceive these are important, subjectively. There is no reason, objectively, to think the particular neurological firing patterns and cascades of evolved biochemicals in our skulls are objectively important.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:53 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Lauren at March 04, 2012 07:54 AM (bRPcD)
Not sure what the hubbub is all about. Bill obviously was a friend to Andrew.
My eulogy (since I never met him) would have been: AB was a damn media genius, and I wish he was here to continue the fight and that I could meet him.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 04, 2012 07:55 AM (r+9M6)
Posted by: rectal exam at March 04, 2012 07:55 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Lauren at March 04, 2012 11:48 AM (bRPcD)
The message is for people to stay in the fight , but thinking about their health.
We cant afford to lose any more Breitbarts.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 04, 2012 07:55 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Havedash at March 04, 2012 07:56 AM (JfvbF)
Posted by: chp at March 04, 2012 07:56 AM (WM5nd)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 11:40 AM (YiE0S)
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Wow, just wow. I don't even know how to process that statement. Dude, I think you are commenting on the wrong blog. You might find yourself more welcome at DailyKos with the marxist idiots. I think you would fit right in there.
Posted by: Not an Artist at March 04, 2012 07:56 AM (Lo/3Q)
Posted by: mugiwara at March 04, 2012 07:56 AM (hGb5f)
That is true. However.
I'm thinking that Whittle thinks longevity and health are important and, in particular, he valued Andrew's social company and has empathy for Andrew's children, etc., so he's risking POing some people off so that other people can learn the health lesson and therefore minimize the amount of suffering *for others* due to a preventable heart-attack.
So I respect your feelings, but I also see why he -- rightly or wrongly -- thinks doing this will minimize suffering and increase joy overall.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:57 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: sauropod at March 04, 2012 07:57 AM (iAkDQ)
Posted by: snowcrash at March 04, 2012 07:57 AM (t2NQr)
The media is the enemy, they must be exposed and refuted at every turn. Their premises must be turned right back around on them. Breitbart got this, Newt gets this. Hardly anyone else does.
Posted by: Jose at March 04, 2012 07:58 AM (srIqv)
Posted by: nip at March 04, 2012 07:58 AM (uRVaX)
Let me help.
Every single pain a child will ever experience in its life, all sadness, horror, loneliness, fear, and unrequited longing, or lost dream or love, from torture to a hangnail, to loss of loved ones and fear at one's own death, are all avoidable, and parents are directly responsible for all of this.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:59 AM (YiE0S)
"Some years back Whittle did this odd-seeming thing where he proposed creating a utopia, and he had all these people contributing ideas and plans. Does anyone remember that?"
I think it was an attempt to create a repository of human capital in the event of another Dark Ages. So he was trying to create a network of people who knew how to do the various things that make civilization possible. Kind of a prepper thing.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 04, 2012 08:00 AM (nZvGM)
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Posted by: slatz at March 04, 2012 08:00 AM (zcFMc)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 08:00 AM (Ho2rs)
Awwww. FlucK it.
“Wait til they see what happens March 1st.”
Venus technique stun gun killed Breitbart?
http://tinyurl.com/7my5epo
Arie M. DeGeus apparently had developed something very similar to this, for a prototype self-powering battery to power electrical vehicles. He was on his way to the Netherlands to receive funding from some very wealthy Netherland investors. While parking his car at the Douglas International airport here in the U.S., he was apparently struck by a Venus-technique shooter— which projects a beam of warped wavefronts. This crazy signal, when it hits the body, causes instant loss of all control of the heartbeat, and the heart in the struck victim goes into wild oscillation, producing a massive heart attack within a few seconds.
DeGeus was found slumped over in his car, having suffered a sudden violent heart attack, and died shortly after being rushed to the treatment room. I do know an associate of DeGeus (whom I totally refuse to name) and he assures me that DeGeus had such technology in rough preliminary but demonstrable form. He also assured me that, if his associates are not all killed, they hope to eventually finish the technology started by DeGeus and get it on the market.
Posted by: sickinmass at March 04, 2012 08:00 AM (bcNec)
Taking care of yourself is on you, and you alone. No one else can do it for you.
Posted by: navybrat at March 04, 2012 08:01 AM (XWDcH)
Very unfun thread. Buhbye
Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 04, 2012 11:55 AM (JKNDp)
True. Nevertheless, it has encouraged me to get away from this place for a while and go exercise so it has served a purpose. Later, all.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at March 04, 2012 08:01 AM (MmrSI)
Yes, well put.
At the end of the day, we can't live forever. Simply not possible.
Since, through no fault of our own, we're here, if we're going to live, we might as well make the most of it. And that may include doing things that others don't approve of because they have an instinctive fear of us dying early.
Oh well.
I guess we should put rubber mats at the base of mountains or something.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:02 AM (YiE0S)
Not really, this is all very overblown. If you measure by decibels, then yeah they sound like an unstoppable juggernaut. But if you measure by effectiveness, then not so much. The public doesn't trust them to be honest brokers any longer.
I heard a speech by Brent Bozell a few years back and he pointed out that when you use objective measures, the MFM is ineffective. This is why they are losing money hand over fist. You lose advertising revenue because the companies who buy ad space realize they aren't getting value for their money. They shifted their ad dollars to places like Google, and the sidebars we see here.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 08:04 AM (Why44)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at March 04, 2012 08:05 AM (FJF0i)
Posted by: Doom am I, full-ripe, dealing death to the worlds, engaged in devouring mankind. at March 04, 2012 08:06 AM (AbbjF)
This is what I don't get about atheism.
If this is all there is, and it's all random (pun intended) and the agony outweighs the ecstasy, then why not just eat Snickers and shoot heroin until it's over? What's worth fighting for? What's worth living for?
Posted by: Palandine at March 04, 2012 08:06 AM (g7D8V)
Posted by: some dope at March 04, 2012 08:07 AM (+kznc)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 12:00 PM (Ho2rs)
a lot
>>> Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 12:00 PM (Ho2rs)
More like someone is unimaginative and has a mediocre IQ.
I hardly hate my parents for following their instincts, the same instincts I have.
But ... it is still factual that life for most people contains enormous amounts of pain and all joys come to an end ... this is such an awful thought, we evolved (quite evolutionarily adaptive) superstitious tendencies to compensate for the harsh realities of life on a planet ... where things are trying to eat us (and where we have to eat living things in order to live).
Some of those biases, well known to psychology, include the optimism bias: where most people think the future will work out better than, in fact, it does. Turns out mildly depressed people are more accurate about predicting the future for themselves and others.
Of course, the grandaddy of evolved biases to help us function in an objectively pointless situation is our instinctive tendency toward religion -- pretty much any religion we're raised with. This gives us a false sense of meaning and of hope, and also the belief us and especially our loved ones will live on after the death we (in nature, at least, before we antiseptisized it like we do in modern culture) saw all around us.
Life is harsh. Has its good bits, and also inevitably ends in death, with usually great amounts of grief and pain in the interim.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:07 AM (YiE0S)
And no this doesn't apply to Ace, he doesn't have a specific mission statement to get Republicans elected, they do.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 08:07 AM (Why44)
AB chose the life he lived. While I am saddened that it ended this soon, I'm glad he did choose it for the influence and impact he's had among so many.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, backbencher for the Justice League at March 04, 2012 08:07 AM (3DBYl)
Posted by: Random Emo at March 04, 2012 08:08 AM (FDEjy)
Which stage is melancholy? Cause I been stuck here for 10 years.
Posted by: 13times at March 04, 2012 08:09 AM (h6XiD)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 08:09 AM (Ho2rs)
It's a valid choice.
>>> What's worth fighting for?
We're still biological organisms with instincts and social emotions.
>>> What's worth living for?
Good question. Objectively, nothing. Subjectively, there may be various things we like and can experience for a time.
All of which we'll lose.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:09 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 11:18 AM (YiE0S)
Never been in love have you.
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at March 04, 2012 08:10 AM (6IReR)
Okay, I give up, you're just being intentionally obtuse.
Posted by: Heorot at March 04, 2012 08:10 AM (xXGK4)
If you truly believe the things you've been saying...you need help.
I'm not being sarcastic. I've been at a place in my life where I had that same mindset, and it's only (in my belief) divine intervention that I didn't kill myself.
If there's anyone you trust, anyone you care about...talk to them.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, backbencher for the Justice League at March 04, 2012 08:10 AM (3DBYl)
I heard a speech by Brent Bozell a few years back and he pointed out that when you use objective measures, the MFM is ineffective. This is why they are losing money hand over fist. You lose advertising revenue because the companies who buy ad space realize they aren't getting value for their money. They shifted their ad dollars to places like Google, and the sidebars we see here.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 12:04 PM (Why44)
The problem is that while people mistrust them , they still get effected.
It creates self deception in thinking by "mistrusting" but still the propaganda takes effect.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 04, 2012 08:10 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 08:10 AM (Ho2rs)
>>> Which stage is melancholy? Cause I been stuck here for 10 years.
The 5 stages of grief theory is wrong, and Kübler-Ross's work was largely taken out of context anyway. For an evidence-based model of human grief, see the work of George Bonanno.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:11 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 04, 2012 08:12 AM (snRY5)
Not necessarily. In some cases, it may even mean suicide.
It depends.
And getting away from that case, there's a trade-off when you drink a milkshake. Not good for your pancreas, tastes good, you may get hit by a truck anyway.
You're gambling when you look after your health, and you're gambling when you don't. Life is deciding under uncertainty, and we all have different wants and values anyway.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:13 AM (YiE0S)
Of course we all could spend more time with our family and stop to smell the flowers. Sometimes we need to turn off our blackberries. With that said. Andrew could have done everything right and had a heart attack in the middle of an ER with Doctors standing around and he still could have been taken away from us. Times up, your times up.
Maybe Andrews passing will cause some of us to ask questions and maybe find that answer which will give us a tad more time.
Been tough week for me. I lost a good friend from High School days. He was killed in a motorcycle accident. 29th I had my newest nephew born a month early. He's now breathing on his own, getting stronger every day. I'll be 41 in a month. I hope when my nephew is 41 he'll still have a nation worth fighting for.
Remember not all of us can have all the fucking vacation time as the Obamas and just sit around and watch ESPN and vote present. Ah damn motherfuc..... omg the pain in my left arm.. whrrrreres my meds Fucking nation turning to shit and we have shit for nominees wtf ovvvvvvvvvver
What is that bright light?
Posted by: blindgoose at March 04, 2012 08:13 AM (a6qEC)
Posted by: Lauren at March 04, 2012 08:13 AM (bRPcD)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 08:14 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Chap at March 04, 2012 08:14 AM (qBioI)
Sure you can attack a lot, but sometimes you have to put it away for while.
Posted by: Vic at March 04, 2012 08:14 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Bill Whittle at March 04, 2012 08:15 AM (snRY5)
Average Girl on the other had is a whore.
Posted by: Zakn at March 04, 2012 08:15 AM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 04, 2012 08:15 AM (VZAm7)
I was Voight-Kampff'd three years ago.
Posted by: 13times at March 04, 2012 08:15 AM (h6XiD)
The end of life is the same in either case.
Yes, I could join the majority, maybe, and form a cognitive (and objectively untrue) bias toward optimism, or I could find meaning in some religion, but I prefer reality.
Maybe prefer is the wrong word. I'm simply drawn to it, whether it feels good or not. It's who I am.
Besides --- there's no reason to think humans have free will in any case. Our brains make decisions, but "we" don't make our brains.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:16 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Zakn at March 04, 2012 08:18 AM (zyaZ1)
He's all about his own BS and not worth engaging. Hopefully his computer will take over the cellar and flush him out through the plumbing.
Posted by: ontherocks at March 04, 2012 08:19 AM (ZJCDy)
I don't totally disagree with you. I mean, 12 minutes of high-intensity strength training a week, and eating a high fat, low carb quasi hunter-fisher-gatherer diet, and changing the color temperatures of monitors, iPhones, etc., to more reddish tones at night ... these three simple things would improve most people's health dramatically in the modern world.
But we're complex, far-from-equilibrium, stochastic dynamic biological systems, and we're not actually all going to do that.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:19 AM (YiE0S)
Any of you homos touch me...and I'll kill ya.
Posted by: Francis "Psycho" Soyer at March 04, 2012 08:19 AM (xXGK4)
If it weren't Twitter, it'd be something else.
If it weren't politics, it'd be something else.
It was the kind of person he was. He was a dynamo and lived boldly. Nothing would have "saved him".
Posted by: AmishDude at March 04, 2012 08:19 AM (fNK8e)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 08:20 AM (qOpnH)
AB was taking care of himself after his first heart attack last year. He was on heart medication and had hired a personal trainer. He knew he needed to take better care of himself and was taking steps in that direction.
I'm guessing that nobody heard AB's business partner (whose name escapes me) on Hannity's radio show on Thursday afternoon, which is where I heard this.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2012 08:21 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: chp at March 04, 2012 08:21 AM (WM5nd)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 04, 2012 08:21 AM (snRY5)
You just went from tedious to really fucking stupid in just one extra comment.
Very impressive.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:23 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Paper at March 04, 2012 08:23 AM (IvlIt)
Posted by: jumbo jogging shrimp at March 04, 2012 08:24 AM (DGIjM)
While there is no sound scientific reason to believe in free will as it's traditionally understood, there is evidence that losing one's belief in free will can be psychologically harmful. So by all means, keep your delusional belief system intact.
Like many cognitive delusions, it's evolutionarily adaptive.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:24 AM (YiE0S)
The Pogues!
Good stuff. Although...it really should be Irish whiskey, beer and heroin.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:24 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 08:24 AM (qOpnH)
You just described about 95% of the "pundits" in the media today.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:25 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Mindy is going Breitbart at March 04, 2012 08:25 AM (X6G2X)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 12:24 PM (qOpnH)
True enough.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:26 AM (YiE0S)
You must stop responding to these fucking loser trolls in every comment thread.
It's your fault that this thread is now about a troll instead of the intended topic.
Fucking ragtime. Stop it.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 08:26 AM (T5LdI)
Events make me realize my mortality. I'm 43. I act and feel so immature in my mind. My body has been talking to me as of late so I'm taking this good advice. I miss AB. I know I have no idea what that means to the people that were close to him.
Posted by: Professor Oilfields Amazing Reverse Unit at March 04, 2012 08:26 AM (SiOVz)
Posted by: Crispian at March 04, 2012 08:27 AM (uBMtY)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 04, 2012 08:27 AM (VZAm7)
Then I watched it. To be fair, I don't think Bill meant anything negative by it. But to be honest, I don't think Bill "got" Andrew, at all. Read the commentary again, and you'll see what I mean.
What made Andrew special is such a simple thing it's easy to overlook, and it's the whole point Bill missed. What truly made Andrew special was, he cared. He cared more about us than he did himself. Asking Andrew to slow down or unplug - sure, it would have been great if he had - but it would be like asking a bird not to fly. It just wasn't in Andrew's nature.
That's what made Andrew, Andrew.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 08:28 AM (R5yLq)
Posted by: chp at March 04, 2012 08:28 AM (WM5nd)
Why not go play in freeway traffic, Random? I never heard such a bunch of bullshit in my 70-odd years on this planet.
If you can't wake on a soft spring morning and not be enthralled with the wonder of the world then yes, leave it to those who CAN. Or smile at your children simply because they ARE kids. Or be touched by a small act of kindness from a total stranger, or any of a million other examples.
The worst thing that has happened to you, as I see it, is that someone has instilled a gigantic amount of self-pity in you.
And that is regrettable.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 04, 2012 08:28 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 04, 2012 12:15 PM
Makes sense.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:29 AM (YiE0S)
Does anyone really give a rat's ass about some bounties being paid for hard hits?
Isn't that sort of the whole fucking point!
This fake shock and disgust over the violence in a sport that is designed to be violent makes me want to reach through the TV and smack some of those pompous assholes in the teeth.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:29 AM (nEUpB)
"The end of life is the same in either case.
Yes, I could join the majority, maybe, and form a cognitive (and objectively untrue) bias toward optimism, or I could find meaning in some religion, but I prefer reality.
Maybe prefer is the wrong word. I'm simply drawn to it, whether it feels good or not. It's who I am.
Besides --- there's no reason to think humans have free will in any case. Our brains make decisions, but "we" don't make our brains."
Dude, nobody ever sat you down and explained this thingy called "life" to you, did they? You seem to have never had a strong father-figure in your life when you needed it and your fatalism is evidence of that. Perhaps you'll arrive at a more cohesive outlook at some point in the future, but for now, you either need to get some new friends, a new hobby or pastime, get clean if you're doing any kind of drugs, especially marijuana which *will* make you depressed, which is curious when you're smoking it to feel good in the first place.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2012 08:29 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 04, 2012 08:30 AM (snRY5)
Just remember, Random is the dipshit that thinks black people are thugs and criminals because of genetics. Oh and slavery exists in the world because of Christianity and the Bible. He's pathetic.
As for the reactions to Whittle, I think its kind of similar to the death of that guy from Jackass. Obviously no comparison in impact. But emotions are going to be really raw right after death and if you attempt to give advice that sounds critical of the one we lost its going to piss people off. Even if its good advice.
Posted by: buzzion at March 04, 2012 08:30 AM (GULKT)
A whole brisket? Or just the 1st cut?
Smoked? Braised? Roasted?
Don't be a fucking tease.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:30 AM (nEUpB)
Ace has been very rational and open about the candidates. Even if he did have such a statement, I don't think he has anything to apologize for. Yes, he may have been a meany doo-doo head to your candidate at one point or another but his criticisms are all well-thought out, not off-the-cuff and not distortions. Granted, I've been on the Ace train all along (Perry, reluctantly Romney).
Along with all the problems Romney brings, I think conservatives really want their Obama moment, a candidate that they are in love with unconditionally. I think conservatives only had that moment once: 1984.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 04, 2012 08:30 AM (fNK8e)
bumper stickers I saw today in Cambridge, MA:
(on the same car)
Stop The Bushit
Comfort the Disturbed
Disturb the Comfortable
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 08:31 AM (T5LdI)
It has, however, increased my empathy for others, including others whom conservatives (and to be fair, most people) largely tread with disdain or simplistic non-solutions. The human psychology and decision-making apparatus not to mention life itself are a lot more complex than most people credit.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:31 AM (YiE0S)
George Will: Republican Leaders Want to Bomb Iran But They're Afraid of Rush Limbaugh
http://tinyurl.com/7myqsth
Posted by: jeanne misses Andrew at March 04, 2012 08:32 AM (byR8d)
I'll start getting checkups at 40. Perhaps it's too late, but it is what it is.
Posted by: Zakn at March 04, 2012 08:32 AM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: chp at March 04, 2012 08:32 AM (WM5nd)
He's not monotone but his cadence is way too predictable. Also, he sounds like he's whispering.
Klavan is much better. If nothing else for that mischievous smirk he has on his face. He's up to something.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 04, 2012 08:33 AM (fNK8e)
Posted by: Paper at March 04, 2012 08:34 AM (IvlIt)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 08:34 AM (qOpnH)
Wait! There's cash?
Posted by: Broad Street Bullies at March 04, 2012 08:34 AM (fNK8e)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 11:59 AM (YiE0S)
Yes. And if my children, by the grace of God, awake at the Resurrection to eternal bliss, I had my part in that.
And yes, it is worth it.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 08:35 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Damiano at March 04, 2012 08:35 AM (A2+pr)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at March 04, 2012 08:35 AM (HpT9p)
Well, the cash gets handed out in envelopes after the game or in contracts during the off-season -- but it gets handed out no matter what.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Corporate America is trying to clean up football. That's the only reason for this fake concern. They are worried that the soccer moms who have recently discovered that football players look good in tight uniforms and that it's more fun to get hammered and watch a football game than watch boring soccer will be turned off by the violence.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:36 AM (nEUpB)
re: Whittle's vid
I have no problem with it. If it helps someone, great.
But heart attacks are kinda rare. Andrew died because he was doing the work of a hundred men -- and I believe he felt like that if he didn't do what he was doing, it would not get done.
Andrew was right. He was the only doing it; he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. It was Andrew against Them. By himself.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 04, 2012 08:36 AM (T5LdI)
Posted by: lowandslow at March 04, 2012 12:32 PM (GZitp)
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Dude?
Posted by: Not an Artist at March 04, 2012 08:37 AM (Lo/3Q)
Not exactly what I said. You've been corrected on these points many times, and you're intellectually dishonest, buzzion.
Obviously genetics affects everyone's behavior in every respect. It plus environment and random chance (stochasticism) are then only three things that determine behavior.
Black people do have higher crime rates around the world, and far-east Asians have lower crime rates around the world, with Caucasians falling somewhere in between (and in between those other two broad racial groups in about 60 other measurable behaviors). Guess what?
There are genetic differences.
Really.
You can see it with your own eyes, clearly, but also in hormone levels and brain size as measured directly now by MRI. These things matter.
"Oh and slavery exists in the world because of Christianity and the Bible."
I have said many, many times that slavery predates the Bible. Slavery existed *in America* because of the Bible, yeah --- that's where the moral authority for it was drawn from by the actual American practitioners of slavery. In different societies, it was derived from different religious or philosophical or pragmatic considerations.
Your Bible is very brutish, though, and it isn't my fault; it just is.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:37 AM (YiE0S)
Hey, don't get me wrong, I'd love to vote for a candidate that I love, but at this stage I'd settle for a candidate who doesn't suck.
As it is I won't get that lucky this year, and I'll be pulling the lever for the candidate who sucks, but at least he doesn't suck as bad as the other guy.
But on the upside it's at least a little better than last election, where I was forced to pull the lever for the candidate who might has well been running as a Democrat, but at least if he died I wouldn't get stuck with the worst of all possible worlds. Seriously, President Biden? Yikes.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 08:37 AM (R5yLq)
And that is regrettable.
Too early for baseball in our parts, but you hit it over the fence, anyway.
Posted by: fluffy at March 04, 2012 08:38 AM (vRSeu)
Good man.
I use a simple salt and pepper rub when I smoke brisket. How about you?
Also, there is a place in Delaware (I think) that will sell you a whole prime brisket for about $80 including shipping. It's pricy, but lots of competition folk say that prime is the way to go.
I'm really tempted.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:38 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: tonynoboloney at March 04, 2012 08:39 AM (pcYdg)
And yes, it is worth it.
If your children wake up to eternal bliss, it'll have been worth it.
But it's nonsense. You're deluding yourself and lying to them. The world is what is here, and then they die, and that's it.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:39 AM (YiE0S)
Oh my, but you are really boring.
If you are going to be a douchebag, at least be an interesting one.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:40 AM (nEUpB)
@ 248
Was hoping someone would bring that up for me. Thank you, sir.
Now, Random, you may piss off and drool your "philosophical" leavings to some body who shares such shit.
Enjoy your unimportant life.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 04, 2012 08:40 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 08:40 AM (qOpnH)
http://is.gd/8ZsmcS
Posted by: Jose at March 04, 2012 08:41 AM (srIqv)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 04, 2012 08:41 AM (28Yz/)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2012 12:21 PM (d0Tfm) "
All the physical training and heart medication won't help you if your stressing yourself out 24/7. Bill Whittle is totally correct, my father had to learn painful lessons that way. He is still alive, but he is a workaholic and eventually the stress will win out if he refuses to listen to his body. I would prefer Andrew have lived and shared more of the burden with some of his people around him. That is all Bill was saying and he said it just as any friend would.
When one of the leaders of the movement fall, the battle does not end! For those of us who do not desire to live under the steel boots of nanny statists, it will never end.
Posted by: Africanus at March 04, 2012 08:41 AM (fCSys)
I have a rub with many spices that I concocted years ago and it never fails, always comes out juicy, I'll let my son post my recipes when I go drinking with Andrew.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 04, 2012 08:41 AM (VZAm7)
You are deluding yourself. We have the testimony of 12 honest men and at least one woman that Jesus rose from the dead. Another 500 saw Him later. You are the one closing your mind to this simple truth.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 08:42 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Davey Jones Locker at March 04, 2012 08:43 AM (kqbIK)
I am not sure that is a kind thing to do.
http://youtu.be/VpACAyWxleE
Thinking about that, actually.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:43 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, rip andrew at March 04, 2012 08:43 AM (Ho2rs)
What made Breitbart great was what he did and how he did it. It's who he was. For him to have changed would have been for him to become a different person. Knowing what we know and are fully beginning to understand about Breitbart, that wasn't going to happen.
So, yeah, Whittle's "advice" seems obvious and harmless and, hey, we should all eat our Wheaties and be early to bed and early to rise. Yet we don't... because that's not who "we" are. We do things to satisfy our own needs, ultimately. We're complex that way and a trite suggestion from outsiders is pretty much just noise.
I'll celebrate Breitbart just as he was for exactly who he was. None of us know when we'll meet our maker, so live life to the fullest extent that we think we are able. Breitbart could've been hit by a drunk driver late one night and then what could someone lament? That maybe he should've cut down on the community organizing he did at night? "We all just know what was going to save someone if they had just listened to me!" Pretty arrogant in that not even God (if you're of the spiritual type) announces His plans.
Breitbart is dead! Long live Breitbart! And if you want to live with all wicks of the candle burning, then great. None of us knows our limits, but at least be willing to test them at some point because it drives one to greatness. It may or may not drive us to death, but we'll never be able to know when that limit is.
As far as a vote goes, I like "Splunge!" I'm not interested in tearing into another ally because his reaction was different than mine. I want him on my team in the Army of Andrews.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 08:43 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: buzzion at March 04, 2012 08:43 AM (GULKT)
If you have never had smoked brisket then you need to move.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 04, 2012 08:43 AM (nEUpB)
What nonsense, Jimbo.
"No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts."
http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:46 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Htom Sirveaux at March 04, 2012 08:46 AM (PxzSs)
Posted by: random's rants at March 04, 2012 08:46 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 04, 2012 08:47 AM (VZAm7)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 04, 2012 08:49 AM (snRY5)
Here's my only concern. When his kids eventually find and watch this on the internet, what will their reaction be?
Posted by: tinsley at March 04, 2012 08:49 AM (oZfic)
Yeah, they're basic, but that isn't to say they're always front and center in my awareness, or that I know every fact, or that everyone is well versed in them. I think those videos of his are pretty cool too.
But then I'm definitely a "geek" as I referred to above. I doubt Whittle is *actually* cool.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:49 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: random's rants at March 04, 2012 08:49 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 08:50 AM (qOpnH)
Reckon you make me some biscuits.
@ Random
Don't you say another word about that. Fact'o business, don't you say another word to me. I ain't listening to you no more.
Posted by: Karl at March 04, 2012 08:50 AM (a6qEC)
I do believe I will go hug my grandkids so as to realize how unimportant and futile this life is. Right after I kiss my wife.
Have an excellent, if futile day, good people.
And Random---kindly go fuck yourself.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 04, 2012 08:50 AM (SAMxH)
You can't keep the truth from kids all that easily. I'm sure they'll know their dad was hard working and pushed it too hard to be good for his health. A friend of their dads saying they wished he hadn't done that is probably not going to be extra-traumatizing for them.
Just a guess though.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:51 AM (YiE0S)
>>> So, your genes are not passed on and the general fecundity of the human race is not injured.
Quite possibly.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:51 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: NJRob at March 04, 2012 08:52 AM (FVp26)
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 04, 2012 08:52 AM (snRY5)
Posted by: random's rants at March 04, 2012 08:52 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: random's rants at March 04, 2012 08:53 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: AlecJ at March 04, 2012 08:53 AM (yC7uR)
Ha.
>>> I respect Whittle too much to feel too negatively about it, but it seems a bit angry. It almost as if Whittle and Breitbart had conversations about Andrew's health recently or often, and Bill made a video saying "see, I told you it would kill you....stupid"
Yeah, I got that impression a bit too. Not that I hold it against him. I mean, Andrew has no more emotions and Whittle's human and does.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:57 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: fluffy at March 04, 2012 08:58 AM (vRSeu)
Posted by: buzzion at March 04, 2012 12:43 PM (GULKT)
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Dammit buzzion,
You now owe me a new wireless keyboard. Oh, and a 22 inch flat screen monitor.
Posted by: Not an Artist at March 04, 2012 08:58 AM (Lo/3Q)
I read through it twice, just to make sure I hadn't missed anything, then I sat back and had a good giggle. What you have there is a collection of pseudo-intellectual horseshit with only one real underlying theme, that your not personally responsible for anything you do.
It's a bunch of crap, really - none of it will withstand any manner of scrutiny or scientific analysis. I get it, it's so much easier to blame "society" or "culture" or "your environment" than it is to take a good hard look at yourself and own up to your own mistakes.
But I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself. And in the meantime start reading biographies of some of the most successful, most influential people and you'll discover something interesting. A lot of them started from very humble beginnings - something which of course flies in the face of all of the horseshit you posted visa vie genetics, environment, etc.
The truth is Random, you decided who you are - so if you don't like who you are, you've got only two real choices. You can either decide to change, and put forth the work necessary to do that, or you can decide to blame everyone else for your problems.
I think it's pretty obvious which road you've taken here, and while the pseudo-scientific crap you've invented so that you can pretend it's not your fault is somewhat amusing, it just doesn't hold water. Good news is, it's not too late. You can always realize the road your on leads no where, and change course.
Bad news is, you have to want it, and you'll have to work at it, and nobody can hand it too you.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 08:58 AM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Rocks at March 04, 2012 09:00 AM (19AIg)
Posted by: fluffy at March 04, 2012 12:58 PM (vRSeu)
I'll bet it read a lot like Edgar Allen Poe - lol..
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 09:01 AM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Avi at March 04, 2012 09:02 AM (J3gb4)
Isn't that one of the stages of grief?
I found Whittle a little too nanny-ish after it could do no good. Asking, pleading that AB take better care of himself directly to AB is fine. We tend to do that with family and friends. Putting it in a vid to tell us, after AB's death? No, I'd rather he hadn't.
Posted by: Retread at March 04, 2012 09:03 AM (joSBv)
Posted by: Random Historian at March 04, 2012 09:03 AM (snRY5)
Posted by: Davey Jones Locker at March 04, 2012 09:03 AM (kqbIK)
Posted by: UPS guy shows up at Random's basement at March 04, 2012 09:04 AM (oj7kn)
Agreed. Some people swing an axe. Hi, Andrew! I can impose a nasty papercut. Get a few thousand of them and we can achieve the same goal. I'll bet Limbaugh could give me an Amen! on that today. He'll survive, but most don't.
Army of Andrews armed with camcorders, facts, and reams of paper.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 09:05 AM (eHIJJ)
Deep dark depression, excessive Neistche...
Posted by: Random guest-starring on 'Hee-Haw' at March 04, 2012 01:06 PM (MMC8r)
OMG - That is the best laugh I've had in days.. rotflmao
Thanks, that was needed - I can't even tell you how much.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 09:08 AM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Retread at March 04, 2012 01:03 PM (joSBv)
It affected him greatly because he was a friend of AB's. He saw it coming and did try to stop it, obviously unsuccessfully. He's trying to reach out to others so they do something before it happens to them.
In his way, it's his tribute to AB.
Posted by: Tami at March 04, 2012 09:08 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: sauropod at March 04, 2012 09:08 AM (iAkDQ)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 12:58 PM (R5yLq)
What you're saying is psychologically true (to a point: the ideas we buy into, including self-efficacy vs. not believing in free will, make a huge difference in outcomes: we are meme-engines and not merely genetic machines) and not irrelevant to me personally.
But.
There is no physical-based model of the brain and reality itself which would show it is anything other than our materialistic brains making these decisions. Yes, if my brain were to do as you say, then it would change the outcome of my life.
And some brains will do as you suggest.
But ... it is where it is now as a result of its physiology and all the ideas it has processed and entertained to date. What *I*, my consciousness, wanted, isn't particularly relevant, since *I* am merely a projection of these physiological processes.
But to the degree that *I* is meaningful, I'm not sure I want that anymore. Passing away, to use the euphemism, is closer to what I want and more achievable.
Also, for every great man/woman as you suggest I read about, there were tons who tried but didn't make it. It's the nature of hierarchies, whether it be leadership of a country or Amway, or health status, or anything ... that SOMEONE has to be at the top. And generally, they don't start out there.
So this creates the belief that people can rise to the top (true) ... but the odds of that are always small, as distributed throughout the population of people who wish it.
Put another way ... thanks for the well-meaning advice. Someone somewhere will do that. I will probably not. (Even if I want to.)
http://youtu.be/tY7E5QIAOaQ
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:09 AM (YiE0S)
This stuff is not an appropriate way for a public figure (i.e. Bill Whittle) to speak his first words about the death of a giant like Andrew Breitbart.
I have had experience with all this stuff in my own life. It is very important stuff, so I don't want to discredit Bill Whittle's message. It's just inappropriate timing.
And what the fuck does he know about what killed Andrew Breitbart, and who the fuck is he to say how Andrew ought to have lived his life.
The life he lived was a hard one. But, here's what Andrew was;
He was the political equivalent of an extreme sports athlete. And, he was the champion of the world at his particular extreme sport.
Bill Whittle is an essayist.
What he knows of Andrew Breitbart's life he knows from observation, not experience.
Posted by: Pastorius at March 04, 2012 09:10 AM (h+zY8)
Posted by: Georgetown U Law Tarts at March 04, 2012 01:09 PM (vbh31)
LMAO
I was cheered up similarly yesterday morning, so I think you probably could.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:10 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Random Emo at March 04, 2012 09:11 AM (FDEjy)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 04, 2012 09:12 AM (hiMsy)
"Guess what Bill, we're all going to die someday., stop being a pussy about your own mortality."
Perfecto.
Posted by: Pastorius at March 04, 2012 09:12 AM (h+zY8)
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2012 09:13 AM (qOpnH)
Posted by: tinsley at March 04, 2012 09:13 AM (oZfic)
I wonder if it's to do with Firefox or the extensions I'm using or what have you.
I do know my html tags no longer work here.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:13 AM (YiE0S)
Woe is me, this is all just meaningless electrical signals and pointless chemistry!
Posted by: Random having the 'best' three seconds of his shitty self-deluded life at March 04, 2012 09:13 AM (WE8TU)
He did, definitely, even Limbaugh knew something of them. But that doesn't mean Breitbart talked about it to everybody, right?
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:14 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 04, 2012 09:15 AM (d9lOz)
Evolutionary biology and the adaptive benefits of religion in passing genes on to future generations.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:15 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at March 04, 2012 09:15 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:16 AM (YiE0S)
Stress raises your blood pressure.
Higher blood pressure stretches your arteries
Stretched arteries get tiny little fissures - which quickly heal.
While they are healing, globs of cholesterol can land in those tiny fissures.
Other globs stick to the first globs, forming plaque.
Eventually, a big glob might form, narrowing the artery.
The glob might even break off, drifting down the artery until it comes to narrow place - blocking the artery.
... is that high-insulin levels leads to inflammation which leads to more arteriosclerosis. There may be more medical benefit, and less negative side effects, from focussing on controlling blood sugars and reducing serum insulin than going gangbusters in trying to lower total cholesterol with statins.
Not a fan of statins as far as drugs go. Metformin is another story.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:19 AM (YiE0S)
In his way, it's his tribute to AB.
Yeah, I get all that from the vid, and I don't mean that my 'wish he hadn't' feelings are very strong, just that, on balance, my reaction is a bit unfavorable. Puts me in the Meh camp, I suppose.
If you haven't seen it, the vid Whittle references with Lionel Chetwyn is worth a view.
Posted by: Retread at March 04, 2012 09:23 AM (joSBv)
I read your response.. made me laugh even harder. Obviously you prefer to be mired in pseudo-intellectual bullshit than to take responsibility for your own life. That's cool I guess, whatever floats your boat.
Also if you read the biographies, as I suggest, you'll discover something very, very interesting. The difference between the successful people, and the one's who aren't, have absolutely nothing to do with environment, genetics, or any of the other half-baked horseshit you've mired yourself in.
Those that were successful tried, failed, tried again, failed, and kept trying until they succeeded. Those who were not successful tried, failed, and gave up. You can throw as much pseudo-intellectual bullshit at that as you like, but the truth of it simply doesn't change.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 09:25 AM (R5yLq)
INDIANAPOLIS (CBS/AP) — A hospital spokeswoman says a 2-year-old girl found alive in an Indiana field after violent storms is the sole survivor of her immediate family.
Cis Gruebbel is a spokeswoman for Kosair ChildrenÂ’s Hospital in Louisville, Ky. She said Saturday that the girlÂ’s mother, father, 2-month-old sister and 3-year-old brother all died Friday when the storms devastated southern Indiana.
Gruebbel says the toddler is in critical condition.
She would not identify the child and says she could not provide details on the childÂ’s ordeal. She says extended family members are at the hospital with the child.
Melissa Richardson, a spokeswoman for the hospital in Salem, Ind. where the child was first taken, said the childÂ’s family is from New Pekin, Ind., and she was found near her home.
Officials at the hospital where the girl was first taken said Saturday that authorities were still trying to figure out how she ended up in the field alone. Richardson says the childÂ’s family is from New Pekin, Ind., about 10 miles south of where the child was found.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's a miracle! God be praised.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:26 AM (YiE0S)
Which is mainly genetics.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:26 AM (YiE0S)
Yeah, he did a good job attacking the media, taking on ACORN, but at the end of the day, he bought hook line and sinker the whole gay rights agenda.
Posted by: astonerii at March 04, 2012 09:33 AM (8i4zi)
Rotflmao.. ok, well apparently not only are you mired in horeshit, you also have a really bad tendency to talk out of your ass.
I normally don't talk to trolls of course, as it is, much as it was in your case, a complete and total waste of time. Sadly you folks are pretty much incapable of rational thought or discussion, your only real purpose in life seems to be to harass and provoke.
So I think we can terminate this discussion, since you are simply intellectually speaking completely unable to add anything worthwhile to it. Or to put it in a simpler vernacular:
"You are the weakest link. Goodbye."
It's a pity really. I was rather hoping you were capable of rational thought. My apologies for giving you way too much credit.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 09:33 AM (R5yLq)
But that doesn't mean that I, my conscious, self-generated this behavior. I am part of a more complex system that includes you, and one part of the system influenced the other. This is how life works.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:36 AM (YiE0S)
Atheism is a religion just like all the others. If you truly didn't believe, you wouldn't try so hard to proselytize. You would simply not care.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 04, 2012 09:36 AM (Why44)
Posted by: Jordan at March 04, 2012 09:38 AM (RSG1I)
True.
I find the last of the two of them quite unlikely considering what we know scientifically about how "we", our personality, are tied in to specific regions of the brain, and further that we develop in the first place as our brains develop. I am unable to think about a sensible mechanism where we would have life after death given our knowledge of physics and biology.
You are correct that I can't prove this is so. Also, I do think Jesus or someone in that role existed, but wasn't initially as well-known in the Roman empire, and became more influential through mythology and story telling.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:42 AM (YiE0S)
Rotfl.. ok, I admit, this one made me laugh so hard I just had to leave you with this one final thought.
Random, there is something in your rambling, pseudo-intellectual bullshit that makes me think that at some point, perhaps in the future, you might actually be capable of rational thought, rather than simply regurgitating the nonsense someone has filled your head with. If and when that day ever comes, I'll be here.
Until then, it would do you well to consider that at the moment, you are little more than a monkey at the zoo, throwing poo at passing tourists. Sure, you think you have it all figured out and that the tourists are mindless drones, etc..
But the sad and simple truth is your nothing more than a poo-throwing monkey, and for the most part it's not even your own poo your throwing, it's someone elses. You show up here at this blog for the sole intent and purpose of throwing poo, and that this activity somehow validates you as a person.
So if and when your ever capable of putting down the poo and holding a conversation, I'm game. Until then - nahh.. not really. I've seen plenty of monkeys throw plenty of poo. I simply have no interest in it anymore.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 04, 2012 09:44 AM (R5yLq)
Just not sure about that. Seems to me if having a loving wife, kids, and an influential career are important, I have little to teach him.
He had a heart condition. May have died anyway. Either way, I'm commenting on a blog anonymously about him, and not the other way around.
Plus, I think he lived mainly happily in the latter years of his life. Seems about as good of a time to die as you're going to get.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:44 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Davey Jones Locker at March 04, 2012 09:44 AM (kqbIK)
Perspective and balance are always difficult - Breitbart made a significant impact, but who's to say whether he might have had a much bigger one if he'd dialed it back occasionally and went more for the long-term.
I don't know the answer.
Posted by: RightWingPRof at March 04, 2012 09:46 AM (ndI4l)
We're all biological robots. Me too.
And no, I don't think I'm particularly important in the normal meaning of the term, in the social realm. I do think I have a better grasp of reality than most.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:46 AM (YiE0S)
>>> I don't know the answer.
>>> Posted by: RightWingPRof
Exactly. I simply don't know overall if he'd have been happier dialing it back and living a bit longer, or if he'd have accomplished more or less.
So, since I admire a lot of his ideas, from respect of gays to wanting balance in media coverage, and his intensity of living ... I'm not going to second guess him.
Yeah, probably more exercise, less blue light at night (should have installed f.lux on all his devices, including jailbroken iPad), and more saturated fat/less carbohydrate would probably have been good for him, but ... he made his own decisions and good on him.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:53 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at March 04, 2012 09:55 AM (JRU+g)
Posted by: Travis at March 04, 2012 09:55 AM (9WkMB)
Posted by: defendUSA at March 04, 2012 09:59 AM (wpvfW)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 10:01 AM (YiE0S)
To the former, I agree. Sort of. To the latter, I don't. I think it's that natural state of humanity to understand our surroundings in order to survive. It's an existential pursuit. What is The Truth? Pretty basic quest of the developed mind, and attaining different conclusions - even pronouncing them - isn't a sign of indifference. Obviously.
But the onus of proof from a scientific POV lies in the Believers, those asserting in the affirmative that there is something. In this case it's The Afterlife. Prove the positive. Only with Faith, one cannot. One could "prove" the human component in terms a human could understand based on human experience and history (i.e. a man walked the Earth and inspired people), but to prove a Spirit is impossible and doctrine dictates that it cannot be proved because, well, it's Faith.
But I'm carrying this waaay off track. I just wanted to partially agree with you with a distinction and a sidetrack.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 04, 2012 10:02 AM (eHIJJ)
What I liked most about Andrew was he had BALLS. I would love to see OFucktard be 20 mins late for a news conference and have someone with Andrew's guts walk up to the podium and demand an apology.
Ever since he did that to Wiener, no gasbag will dare to be late to a news conference again.
Too bad the POTUS has the SS to keep that from happening to him.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 04, 2012 10:18 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Cornfused yet again at March 04, 2012 10:28 AM (zOnl9)
Posted by: Rick67 at March 04, 2012 10:43 AM (Pq+/6)
Posted by: Jay at March 04, 2012 10:49 AM (nojhZ)
Bill Whittle is by far the best conservative pundit.
Posted by: jacke at March 04, 2012 10:49 AM (5Cwv4)
Andrew talked a lot about the "new media"....and how it was the way that we can beat the 'institutional left's media monopoly'.
I think AB felt that he had a responsibility to stay engaged in the ongoing fight, the moment-to-moment battles, that are happening every day in this 'new media'....on Twitter, etc. .....He had encouraged us all to get engaged, so think he felt he should fight long and hard, into the wee hours of the night, because of this.
For this reason, I think his health was a secondary concern for him. ...Fighters do this. ....It's a selflessness that overtakes them. ....I will not scold Breitbart for this. I salute him for his selflessness, in the heat of battle. ....Because he was always in the battle.
Whittle seemed a little too eager to get in front of a camera and tell his little story about how "I told Andrew he should take care of his health". ....It comes across as self-serving....and creepy.
Posted by: wheatie at March 04, 2012 10:52 AM (dauG/)
Breitbart and Whittle are my 2 favorite "pundits".
I see it as Whittle trying to make something positive out of the tragedy.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at March 04, 2012 11:05 AM (q6Khf)
The fight we are in is a long one. Even after we win the next election we will need to keep fighting. Communism did not go away in 1989 Socialism will not go away in 2012.
Posted by: Big V at March 04, 2012 11:08 AM (4a0zv)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 04, 2012 11:19 AM (vUK/h)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 04, 2012 11:25 AM (vUK/h)
Posted by: Dastardly Dan at March 04, 2012 11:26 AM (rvLeh)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 04, 2012 11:40 AM (vUK/h)
Everyone grieves in his own way. If Whittle didn't want to tell his own anecdotes, I respect that, but sharing stories is how a lot of us deal with loss. Having never had the honor of meeting Breitbart, but having admired him tremendously, I was grateful to those who did share little glimpses of their experience.
But not to invest too much, er, hostility in this. Whittle lost too. God bless us all.
Posted by: Chriscom at March 04, 2012 11:50 AM (HQlwL)
Are we really going through this? Whittle sucks? Have we not learned anything from AB that we are going to need everyone?
Whittle = go away
Palin = go away
This is the same advice your fucking doctor would give you in his office, and he doesn't really know you. You going to tell him to fuck off and mind his own business?
BTW I tell my friends the same shit, leave your blackberry in the car when we golf or find another friend. If I wanted to talk shop I would drag one of my bosses to the course. At least I would have a chance at advancement or a raise.
Good God
Posted by: ScottyE_FL at March 04, 2012 12:02 PM (kb15i)
You speak very easily of death. I'll bet you've never had a near-fatal illness, or had any sort of brush with death. I'll bet you've never had someone close to you die before their time.
The only thing that really matters is that Breitbart's young children are now fatherless, and his wife is a widow. It's not "judgmental" to say that it shouldn't have happened. After Breitbart had his first heart attack, he gained weight, became even more aggressive, worked longer hours, and--according to his father-in-law--stopped going to doctors. From the eulogies it sounds as though he drank more and slept less, too. His friend Michael Walsh--another cardiac patient--said Breitbart had untreated hypertension because he was a "stubborn, hard-headed Irishman," and he felt real men don't care about their health.
Well, not only did Breitbart pay the piper, so did his kids and wife. Stating facts is not being judgmental. This shouldn't have happened, and Breitbart didn't "burn out." He dropped dead on the sidewalk at age 43, only four years out of his thirties. The second biggest tragedy is the terrible waste. Imagine what he could've done with 40 more years.
Posted by: Llarry at March 04, 2012 12:13 PM (Rnfm0)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 04, 2012 12:24 PM (vUK/h)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 04, 2012 12:37 PM (vUK/h)
Posted by: Dave at March 04, 2012 01:34 PM (PLWki)
Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2012 01:41 PM (7W3wI)
In fact I think it is petty, at arm's length, and embarrassingly cheap.
Until seeing this video, I didn't know that Bill W. was a close friend to AB, but I'm not surprised since they are both outspoken Tea Party conservatives, both from L.A., and both involved in new media.
This has been a sad week for all of us, and I speak as someone who knew AB only from his book, his on-line persona, and his appearances on television. People across the political spectrum concede he was a joyful prankster and a generally delightful person to know.
I can only imagine what it was like to lose him as a friend. Bill W. is absolutely right. People need to take care of their health and put that first. I don't for a minute believe that had AB been less addicted to these electronic skirmishes, which he was the first to confess to, that he would have done himself and his family a huge favor.
All this is, of course, in hindsight. But Bill is absolutely correct in pointing it out. Anyone with kids and a family would know this.
Posted by: Al Gore's Second Chakra at March 04, 2012 02:55 PM (0b17P)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 03:13 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: chuckR at March 04, 2012 03:36 PM (UGxsK)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 03:40 PM (YiE0S)
Speak for yourself. To you life may be depressing, but for some of us life isn't only about eating and shitting and wishing we were dead. I thought about stuff like that when I was 15, but I've moved beyond it.
You've taken it upon yourself to decide "the only thing that really matters" as if there aren't dozens of different ways to look at this.
Tell that to the Breitbart family.
You are not the 'ultimate interpreter of the way things ought to be and what people should want'.
Since I never said I was, I have no idea what you're talking about. Breitbart made decisions that cost him his life. That's a fact. His decisions also cost his children their father and his wife her husband. Fact.
And to me, that's the real tragedy. There's nothing romantic about how he died. I'd rather have him alive, with his family, and less visible and outspoken than a martyr to the cause. And as a person with a history of major health issues, I can also say it's a fact that his death was unnecessary. That doesn't mean I'm "judging" Breitbart, but even if I were, so what? Who am I? Nobody. My opinion is worth as much as yours or anybody else's.
I hate waste, and I hate unnecessary tragedy, that's all. Breitbart will miss out on so much, and so will his family and the country.
What do you suppose his answer would've been if you'd asked him 24 hours before his death, "Hey, Andrew: How would you like to drop dead on the sidewalk tomorrow night, all alone?"
The fact is, life is precious. We can go at any time. I have no patience with people like you who melodramatically claim to be angry that they're alive. Not when there are so many people whose lives are taken from them long before their time and who would gladly accept the hours of life that you think are such a burden.
You should have more respect for your gift. And yes, I'm judging you.
Posted by: Llarry at March 04, 2012 04:15 PM (Rnfm0)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 04:15 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Floyd Alsbach at March 04, 2012 04:42 PM (paPUf)
Posted by: Joe Bidenmytime at March 04, 2012 04:48 PM (WSdNO)
Yeah, I'm sure that being sucked up in a tornado at 15 months in order to be dashed on the ground 10 miles away after the rest of he family had their limbs ripped off and parts of their house fall on them/hit them in the face was great.
Christians, you are delusional mother------s of questionable morality.
You're sounding more and more like a high-schooler. You're "pissed off" every morning that you're still alive; you think sudden death at an early age is kinda cool if you were doing something you like; you hate 'judgmental" people; you're still hung up on the fact that we eat and crap; you have shallow, romantic notions about self-destruction; and you hate Christians.
You're one of those cartoon Goth kids from South Park, right?
Posted by: Llarry at March 04, 2012 05:24 PM (Rnfm0)
Yeah, Random, those dumb religious types have never, ever asked why God permits bad things to happen in the world.
Posted by: The Book of Job at March 04, 2012 06:14 PM (BYWNy)
I could have every appreciation for pointless life in all its guises, and death is still going to happen to me and everyone else. So that appreciation is for nothing and is in fact a bitter curse.
As far as judging goes, I said this is what the brain does. I have nothing against judgments. I pointed out you are unimaginative since you think there's only one judgment to be made about Breitbart's death and how he chose to live.
I took umbrage at your facile, assholish, imbecilic treatment of Dan's opinion about the value of his life. Not only do you assume that because he wishes to die, Dan has probably never been close to death or been particularly sick himself, you then reach staggering heights of clueless ignorance about humanity, and go on to blaisely speculate that only a person who has *NOT* lost someone close to them would wish to die.
You are a fucking idiot.
Next time --- asshole --- try, "Sorry to hear that you feel that way. What happened?"
Or say nothing, or taunt them to suicide if you like, but what you have chosen is the path of displaying absolute abject stupidity.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 06:16 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 04, 2012 06:29 PM (vUK/h)
My, Llarry, you've got random's panties in a knot because you correctly called random's boring, pseudo-intellectual nihilism what it is - laughable high school crap that most people grow out of by the time they're out of their teens.
My guess is that random is (chronologically, if not mentally) well past his teens and still thinks his "it's all pointless and I'm a brave truth-teller" schtik is intellectually dazzling stuff instead of drivel. He showed up here thinking he'd impress people with his fourth-rate insights and instead they laugh at him.
Posted by: ExiledonMainStreet at March 04, 2012 07:01 PM (BYWNy)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 04, 2012 07:06 PM (vUK/h)
I only read a dozen or so posts, and I see how this conversation is going down.
Men die in war all of the time. But this wasn't being gunned down in the prime of your life. One of the points Bill made ("PUT THAT THING DOWN") is very valid. It doesn't seem to me that people understand the difference between "immediate" and "important" anymore.
If you're a high-profile figure, you can't retweet every freaking thing that comes your way. From what I hear, Andrew allowed himself to be tweeted to death. OK, I know it wasn't just the tweeting, but anyone who allows his life to be sucked into the void by social media is already only half alive.
The real deal is out here, folks - not on your iphone.
Andrew also had 4 children. How did he prioritize his time with them?
To summarize: when you're being Breitbart, be fearless, but remember to go home and turn the damned phone off.
Posted by: disa at March 04, 2012 07:15 PM (v7+7U)
The best possible response to, "I wake up every morning pissed off that I didn't die during the night," is clearly, " I'll bet you've never had a near-fatal illness, or had any sort of brush with death. I'll bet you've never had someone close to you die before their time."
You're both fucking shitheads.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 07:15 PM (YiE0S)
For you, maybe, but I'm not surprised that you're incapable of perceiving the evidence all around you that death is just a beginning and not an end. You strike me as an extremely superficial, callow, angry person.
Doesn't matter. You're on the same train as the rest of us, so you'll be okay. There's no need to be such a silly drama queen.
I took umbrage at your facile, assholish, imbecilic treatment of Dan's opinion about the value of his life. Not only do you assume that because he wishes to die, Dan has probably never been close to death or been particularly sick himself, you then reach staggering heights of clueless ignorance about humanity, and go on to blaisely speculate that only a person who has *NOT* lost someone close to them would wish to die.
Dan's not being serious. He doesn't wish to die. Those who wish to die do so. And I don't know what "blaisely" means.
Next time --- asshole --- try, "Sorry to hear that you feel that way. What happened?"
Not interested. The way he expressed himself--claiming that every morning he was pissed he was still alive--isn't worthy of a "Gee, what's wrong, big fella?" As I said before, I no longer have any patience with such a juvenile worldview, especially when it comes up in a thread about someone who died before his time. It shows no respect for life, so it isn't worthy of my sympathy.
And it's kind of funny to hear a raving lunatic such as yourself lecturing others how to be better people.
Posted by: Llarry at March 04, 2012 07:33 PM (Rnfm0)
You sir, are an arrogant fool. I have. I have also come to the conclusion I would be better off having never been born, on balance. Further, that this applies to a great number of people.
By the way, what near-fatal illness or brush with death have you had, or which person close to you died before his or her time?
Posted by: Llarry at March 04, 2012 07:37 PM (Rnfm0)
Posted by: tracy coyle at March 04, 2012 07:52 PM (hu2Nq)
Random: Let's see, you made it through the Cliff Notes on Existentialism and you believe you're profound. My, you would have impressed them at the Cafe Flore back in 1952 (well, maybe not. Sartre was a leftist POS but he expressed that "there is no God and life is pointless" cr*pola much better than you're able to.) 60 years later, well, nobody is impressed.
Posted by: ExiledonMainStreet at March 04, 2012 08:07 PM (BYWNy)
"I have also come to the
conclusion I would be better off having never been born, on balance."
The obvious, snarky thing to say is :Judging by your stupid posts, Random, I'm inclined to agree.
The charitable thing to say is: Really, get help. You're one very sick puppy who confuses his own gray, sad, and twisted perspective with wisdom.
Posted by: ExiledonMainStreet at March 04, 2012 08:12 PM (BYWNy)
Dan, however, may well be a practicing Catholic for all I know. Perhaps he isn't in the slightest a nihilist, but is in great pain.
And the best the person you're defending could come up with is that he probably has never lost anyone close to him?
What an ass.
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:24 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Tantor at March 04, 2012 08:36 PM (CofEF)
That's not hilariously pompous and self-aggrandizing at all.
And the best the person you're defending could come up with is that he probably has never lost anyone close to him?
What's this gibberish supposed to mean? Is it more "existential nihilism"?
Christ, I just can't help laughing every time I type that! The funniest thing is that your conclusions on the supposed pointlessness of life are all based on emotions, not reason. This, for example, is right out of a banal TV script or novel for "young adults":
You and I and everyone we know and love are going to die, if you haven't noticed, and probably in pain and fear. In the meantime, we live with frail bodies and psychologies of various levels of resilience on a planet where ... things are trying to eat us.
You may as well be one of the hayseeds on the old show Hee Haw, singing their best bit:
Gloom, despair, and agony on me (ohh!)
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery (ohh!)
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all (ohhhhhhhh!)
Gloom, despair, and agony on me.
The difference between you and them is that they were satirizing, while you're dead (oops) serious.
Posted by: Llarry at March 04, 2012 08:40 PM (Rnfm0)
But forget about me (comment about forgetting about me now as the unimaginative twit you are).
You talked to a guy who, for all you know, doesn't kill himself because he believes in God or thinks there is a purpose to life, who is in so much pain he wakes up wishing he had died ... and your first thoughts are to tell him he's probably never been greatly sick or lost anyone close to him.
Other than being a mean, nasty bastard, how would you know these things?
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 08:55 PM (YiE0S)
And I never said you did. You claimed, with much thundering histrionics, that you arrived at your position of "existential nihilism" (giggle) through reason, but everything you've mentioned about the gloom, despair, and agony of life is based on emotion. Who said anything about you not enjoying emotions? You obviously enjoy superficial depression, self-pity, and rage.
You talked to a guy who, for all you know, doesn't kill himself because he believes in God or thinks there is a purpose to life, who is in so much pain he wakes up wishing he had died ... and your first thoughts are to tell him he's probably never been greatly sick or lost anyone close to him.
Add a reading disability to your many other failings. He didn't say he wished he'd died; he said he's "pissed he's still alive." Pure adolescent melodrama.
We had a genuine suicide scare here a couple weeks back, and I pitched in to talk the guy out of it by pointing out with as much harsh clarity as I could what killing himself would do to his young daughter. In the end he chose to get help, which was a brave thing for him to do.
This other throwaway comment about being pissed that he's still alive is an insult to those of us who've suffered terrible losses or have nearly died. So I said what I said.
By the way, you haven't answered my question: Have you nearly died or experienced the loss of someone close to you who died before his or her time? I was almost murdered once; I've endured life-threatening cardiac and brain illnesses; I have an incurable auto-immune disorder; and my closest friend committed suicide in 2001. I was also raped as a child by multiple adults, endured years of utterly merciless bullying at school, and survived 20 years of alcoholism and drug abuse.
What about you, Mr. Existential Nihilist? What have you suffered that makes you claim that you're doing what you can to lessen your survival instinct and hasten your demise? Put your fucking cards on the table.
Posted by: Llarry at March 04, 2012 09:16 PM (Rnfm0)
Posted by: Random at March 04, 2012 09:34 PM (YiE0S)
A local Los Angeles radio host who was a friend of Bretibart's said on air that he'd seen Breitbart at a gathering just a couple weeks before and he never looked better. He kept going on about the change being real night and day. He also pointed out that while Breitbart like to drink, he wasn't an "alchy" and it never struck him (Philips) that Breitbart had any problems with alcohol or any other substance.
I didn't care for the Whittle vid either- he comes across as a sanctimonious ass.
Posted by: november1981 at March 04, 2012 11:03 PM (bl+pY)
Excellent. Nobody in the history of this blog has written a more vacuous comment. You are the all-time champion. I salute you.
And you're right; your existence is indeed a nightmare, a self-generated void without meaning.
But that doesn't matter. When your body craps out, you'll experience what the rest of us will experience, and when everyone is done laughing at you they'll embrace you with the same loving acceptance with which they embrace almost everyone else, except for the Hitlers and Bundys and the Saddams and the rest of the evil turds who refuse to admit to their crimes and express remorse.
And you'll look back on your absurd days as a trivial poseur in this life and you'll laugh, too. Hopefully we'll be able to meet briefly on the other side, just so I can tweak you for your childishness and bellicosity, and then we'll go our separate ways.
Posted by: Llarry at March 04, 2012 11:28 PM (Rnfm0)
Andrew was unique in our sphere; that's why close to a week later his death is still on our lips. To me he was more important than Rush or Hannity because he was a raw feed. Andrew always came across as being bright, very bright; astute with a quick mind and well spoken. Hannity's just not as smart (sorry) as I always HOPE he'll be and misses opportunities with guests and interviewers. Rush has been in the game so long he sometimes seems like he's playing the game; Andrew for all his years in it seemed fresh and new and indefatigable.
I feel I understand what Bill was saying in the video; I agree with people who say he's coming to terms with is grief. I think he was incredibly fond of Andrew, and went out on a limb and said something to him, and is trying to come to terms with the personal loss of someone who seemed like he was larger than life in every sense of the word.
For me, I want to know what happened when someone I know dies. It sounds macabre perhaps, but it gives me a feeling of understanding, helps to try and make sense to the tragedy. Sometimes it's just 'natural causes' other times it's cancer or what have you, but when you have a profound loss, (for me any way), and the person seems so full of life, so remarkable, many want to make sense of it in any way they can.
I understand what people say about Andrew being set at 11, I don't know his family, but they must be in anguish, and people I admire (Ace, Iowahawk, Bill, Jtlol, Greg, etc), are grieving, so I think Andrew in RL really was a special guy. As someone who has often felt lonely in their fight against the left and who therefore admired Andrew's energy and ability, I feel a great sense of loss too. We had so much left to learn from him, I think; we were all sort of coalescing and organising about these ideas of attacking the MSM, holding their feet to the fire and how to be effective at it and frankly, Andrew was the best at it. We have perhaps one of the most important election in our nation's history coming up, and I can't believe we don't have Andrew's voice to help lead the charge.
So I give Bill's video about Andrew a thumbs up; because he is trying to make sense of such a gaping loss, because it shows Andrew's frailty and humanity and how many people he touched, and because if we want to change the direction of this country, we have to be around to see the fight through and Bill's reminding us of that.
Posted by: Linlithgow at March 05, 2012 12:45 PM (Gim9y)
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