1 The worst thing about this ace is in a closed door meeting they were watching votes and more could come.

2 Second look? First and forever!

3 let it burn let it burn let it burn give the JEF everything he wants then every little thing put some accelerant on the burn

4

Who in the fuck voted for cap and trade?  They should be out of the GOP immediately.

5 Transparency!

6 Why doesn't Boehner just go ahead and switch parties?  With DeMint leaving, the conservative movment is in real problems in Washington.  Bend over America and kiss it goodbye.

7 nice to see you fully embracing LIB and SMOD, Ace. It warms my heart.

8 Let me correct my posting from the previous thread. When Rush asked, semi-jokingly of DeMint that "it wasn't Boehner who pushed you out, was it?" DEMINT replied: "No, but it'll be the other way around." The Republican party is now officially dead to me.

9 Second look at Sweet Meteor of Death? I must admit, I am prouder of SMOD than I am of many other things in my life. Respect, bitches.

10 John Boner is a man I can work with.

11 So it's back to "I feel all dead inside?"

12 Second look at Sweet Meteor of Death? Never stopped.

13 Reminds me of a line by Bill Holden from the movie Bridge on the River Kwai !!!!

14 Second look at Sweet Meteor of Death?

He was always my first choice. Just didn't have enough signature to get on the ballot in Indiana.

15 I must admit, I am prouder of SMOD than I am of many other things in my life. Respect, bitches.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 06, 2012 01:24 PM (VtjlW)

 

*fist raised in solidarity*   Word.  

16 Boehner is just jealous cause Christie is at the cool kids table now

17 I think ace may be mistaken on the cap and trade bill. No Republicans voted for it in the House and it never came up for a vote in the Senate.  It was dead on arrival.

18 SMOD/LIB 12.21.12?

19 Meteor shit!

20 But he is right about RINOs like the one I mentioned from NC who are still on committees.

21 So, Milbank is right -- we've surrendered. Fuck him!

22 I don't think the GOP is salvageable anymore. Which is fine since our only options with the federal government is let it burn or bitch about it as it burns (while hand wringing). most efforts should be focused on the state and local level since that's what's going to be left when we top out at 22 trillion and the Fed defaults.

23 Here's Amash's response to the action. Click 'close' when the sign-on comes up and then scroll to the first entry. https://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash

24 can we agree no republican has ever been removed for having a too liberal position, but they can be eliminated for being too conservative. Whats the word? Oh yeah, purge.

25 SOLAR SYSTEM (AP): Sweet Meteor of Death pledges to aim truer on next trip through Earth space in 2016.

http://tinyurl.com/aydrtqj
(file photo)

26 Primaries.

If a RINO can make it to a general they know we have no option but to vote for em.  But we must make them learn to fear the primary.  The Dems have that major advantage, vast swaths of their membership (the Progressive Caucus) come from areas where their only fear is a primary attack for not being crazy enough.  We need to learn from their example.

Don't try to elect better Congresscritters, that is impossible.  What is possible is to make Republican Congresscritters fear US more than they fear the Progs.

27 SMOD/LIB 12.21.12? With the Julian/Gregorian calendar change, Sinko de Mayans may be tomorrow, on Pearl Harbor Day (or, as Google refers to it, Dec 7)

28 Has anyone asked Boehner about DeMint's comment yet?

29 Oh the washington rule is frightful
But the fire is so delightful
And since we've no place to run
let it burn, let it burn, let it burn

It doesn't show signs of stopping
And I've brought some corn for popping
The lights are turned way down low
let it burn, let it burn, let it burn

30 Never did understand what people saw in Boner, guy just oozes Washington used car salesman sleaze.

31 13 Second look at Sweet Meteor of Death?

Never stopped. Posted by: t-bird

Pretty much how I feel.

32 Does this have anything to do with the JEF and MFM yammering about how Boehner is being manipulated by the "extremists" in the party?  If so he's so fucking dumb that he shouldn't be an elected representative, much less in a leadership role.  Fuck this shit.

33 The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame? You know the media will never let any of this stick to Barry. And our team is so inept at messaging that they'll never change the messaging.

If we can ever get this right, Let It Burn would work.

34 Thanks Ace.  I needed this good news to shake off this post-election depression.

35 The $50 I gave to Boehner's primary challenger seems utterly inadequate now.

36 I am tired of hearing about this is all the RINO's fault, Ace!

37  Republicans should consider thinking like this in the current decision making process.

This ain't forever or inevitable. Somebody tell Boehner before we unconditionally surrender.

>Can Democrats survive after Obama? <


 http://tinyurl.com/a9dvyuv

38 I don't think the GOP is salvageable anymore. Which is fine since our only options with the federal government is let it burn or bitch about it as it burns (while hand wringing). most efforts should be focused on the state and local level since that's what's going to be left when we top out at 22 trillion and the Fed defaults.

Posted by: we are so screwed at December 06, 2012 01:28 PM (HEa5q)

 

 

___  _____   _____   _____    _____   ____   ____  ____   ___

 

Nonsense, everything is going just fine. We got this.

 

-Zombified Lowell Weicker

39
Second look at Sweet Meteor of Death?

------


**sniff**

That really hurts.

40 I'm finally on Team Burn (although the worry is a constitutional crisis will result in more power for Big Government) But fuck it...lets burn this bitch.

41 :::16 I must admit, I am prouder of SMOD than I am of many other things in my life. Respect, bitches. :::: You had your shot. Now it's Burning Time. BUMPTY-BUMPTY-BUMP!

42

OT:  Anyone that would like to email the property managers at the Willows who are denying seniors a Christmas Tree or Menorah can email these grinch asshats at http://www.jbproperty.net/willows.html

 

43

"The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame?"

 

They can't because they don't control the means of communication.  So fuck it.  Don't play the game.

 

Lit it burn.

44 What is possible is to make Republican Congresscritters fear US more than they fear the Progs.[/i Part of my Powerball daydreaming was dedicated to setting up a conservative media presence. However, as my daydreams progressed, all that money was just soaked up by lawyers and "consultants".

45 have they already elected leadership for the next congress?

46 Alan West was just an earlier casualty.

47 "While a GOP leadership aide said such decisions are made 'most often at the request of committee chairs,' Republican aides and members said Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy of California was the driving force behind the purge."- http://bit.ly/TIexeE

48 Lamp posts pine longingly for decoration with the political class all over the nation.  The lamps are wise, like Ents, they know its been too long, far too long.

Future generations will come to think of them as "liberation trees"

49 14 Reminds me of a line by Bill Holden from the movie Bridge on the River Kwai !!!! Posted by: Clemenza at December 06, 2012 01:26 PM (Q8Pu5) Can you say it, or will a ban hammer hit you? I think I know the line. Unless you are confusing it with Alec Guinness' at the end of the picture. (What Have I Done?)

50 34 The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame?

Nah, that's one thing we shouldn't worry about because we'll always get the blame, time to stop worrying about that and do what needs to be done.

51

But many Republicans have rebelled from the left -- voting for Cap and Trade, for god's sake -- and remain untouched on their own committees.

 

They are team players.

 

Time you woke up to what this team is all about.

52 Fuck Boehner. I hope his tanning bed malfunctions. Let him burn.

53 Back when we were all delirious with the results of the 2010 election, the wet blanket that I had was "All right! We've made John Boehner the Speaker!" BTW, I heard Demint interviewed on Rush about this Heritage thing, and Rush made a parting joke about Demint not being run out by Boehner, and Demint said something to the effect "well it might be the other way around."

54 Boehner is going to catch hell no matter what he does, but he has set himself up for it. He is weak, and that weakness makes him untrustworthy. Further, he has failed entirely to explain/convince anyone that he has a genuine strategy , be it LIB or else. The role of Speaker is a leadership role and he is a very poor leader. And that statement utterly fails to address his lack of skill in negotiating. The fact that the house selected him again tells me they are not listening to us whatsoever.

55 I don't think the GOP is salvageable anymore. Which is fine since our only options with the federal government is let it burn or bitch about it as it burns (while hand wringing). most efforts should be focused on the state and local level since that's what's going to be left when we top out at 22 trillion and the Fed defaults.


Thankfully, California will stand as a shining icon of financial strength and prudent management when the maelstrom hits.

56 You know who wasn't a team player? Hitler.

Think about it.

57 Grrr...

58 Jaws, instead of the lawyers, make sure reporters get it first this time.

59 @ 50 Yeah the Bill Holden Line and I really do not want the Ban Hammer again I am saving that for the reset button

60

So, have we completed the five stages of grief yet, I'm pretty sure I have, plus a few more.

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

6. Apathy

6.  LIB

7. Help it Burn

8. Burn it down

9. Drink a lot

61 This is for our own good, DeMint andthe like are unstable in  our real  politiking, We must learn to bend to the will of the people in their election, Give them a bi-partisan congress.
The people have spoken.


give em what they want.

good and hard. as it is said. maybe they will wake up and realize what's actually going on.

or not.

62 38 Posted by: marcus at December 06, 2012 01:30 PM (GGCsk) With the culture and academia permanently poisoned, the courts corrupted and the ever-ubiquitous Leviathan continuing to grow, elections will have NO consequences ever. Just the illusion of consequences.

63 The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame? **** blame is a given no matter the circumstances. Four years of Obama has taught us that.

64 I have a question.  When did the first article about the purging of reps from committees appear and where?

65

Uh, almost every apostate from the left he cites will no longer be in Congress next year.  Kind of indicates they were in "swing" districts, doesn't it?

66

Thank you Ace for not mentioning any of the reps' race.  Or were they all white guys?

 

Ok.  I am taking a deep breath and stepping away from my race rant (for now)  Sorry you all had to see that.

 

67 But the 3-day work week is still in effect right?

68 Oh, and before anyone brings up certain failed Senate candidates....

Who cares?  If we want non career politicians we are going to fail sometimes.  Accept that as a price of the goal or resign yourself to career politicians who won't open their chow hatch until their focus groups tell em what to say.  One or the other.

Also, we have tried this strategy of 'well we have to elect the career RINO again because a more conservative candidate might lose after the sure to be bruising primary challenge' thing for a long time.  Isn't it time to step back and reassess the success of the strategy yet?  So how is that working out for us?

Would it be better to have forty one solid conservative Rs in the Senate or fifty-one with a dozen RINOs?  I'll grant that dipping under forty and losing the fillibuster (while Reid keeps it alive) is important and we don't have unlimited room for error, but when your current plan is losing the war, and losing it hard and fast, you should be open to changing plans.

69 The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame?

------

Name the legislation after him.   The Obama Fair Tax Act.   The Obama Economic Stimulus Act.  The Obama Budget Reform Deal.  The Obama Debt Ceiling Act.

Make speeches on "hearing the will of the American people" and that elections matter.   Publicly congratulate the President on signing day on HIS legislation.

You and I know what his policies will do to the economy.   Hang the coming recession around his skinny frickin neck.

70 60 @ 50 Yeah the Bill Holden Line and I really do not want the Ban Hammer again I am saving that for the reset button Posted by: Clemenza at December 06, 2012 01:34 PM (Q8Pu5) "You've got to do it, boy! ____ him!!"

71 I have a question. When did the first article about the purging of reps from committees appear and where? Posted by: Miss Marple at December 06, 2012 01:35 PM (GoIUi) Maybe 2 days ago. And it appeared everywhere

72

73 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~ Hello! It is I, Hadji, the bringer of the funny and of the pain from Islam, and usually in that order. I am here to make your pain lessened. And Hadji, he does that through the funny. So, let us begin the heal. What is the difference between the Republican committee persons who have been replaced by John Boehner and the second of command for the Al Qaeda? There is no trace of the replaced committee people. Thank you thank you thank you! The calf has been slaughtered properly by the ritual so please to enjoy the veal! The alms you have? Leave them for the waitresses. -

74 I kinda agree about punishing the one guy who leaked the Isreal skinny dipping story to the press.

75 could the future look as bleak as it does now?
 the govt will just grow and grow until it will need to take everything and hand us back benevolently what is left.
I guess they'll then truly be the deciders.

76 >>THIS !! 63 With the culture and academia permanently poisoned, the courts corrupted and the ever-ubiquitous Leviathan continuing to grow, elections will have NO consequences ever. Just the illusion of consequences. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 06, 2012 01:35 PM (XkWWK)

77

It's hilarious that some people think Let It Burn is an option. 

 

 

It's inevitable, it's not some match we can light or not light. It's burning now, and will continue to burn.  It's not a wildfire, it's a slow-death smolder.

 

 

And Republicrats have led us to this end.

 

 

Conservatives  don't even make up a majority of the GOP, let alone a majority of Americans.

 

 

78 I must admit, I am prouder of SMOD than I am of many other things in my life. Respect, bitches. Respect given. Karma Sutra - the great book of life where your accounting are stored so you will be sure to be fucked by the previous shit you pulled. (Still working on a snappier definition)

79 It will burn and republicans will be blamed.  Sh*t, I blame them.  What have they done to quell the flames?

80 @ 71 Pat I would like to buy a Vowel, is there an I in there? Yes JJ there is an Eye...

81 #72  What?  No reporter had an exclusive?  It appeared everywhere at the same time? That is pretty strange.

82 The fact that the house selected him again tells me they are not listening to us whatsoever.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 01:33 PM (piMMO)

I know the Horde likes to dump on McConnell but I've said all along that he plays a weak hand much more masterfully than Boehner does a strong one.  Boehner just doesn't know how to deal with a fucking retard like the JEF, which calls for labeling him as a "fucking retard" to the MFM among other things.  Allen West as Speaker would be bitch slapping the Indonesian so fucking hard that we'd be having daily thousand comment threads laughing about it.  But the simple cocksuckers in Florida decided to make him a redistricting victim rather than dump one of the numerous Cheeto Crists in training.  Fuck those Repuke turds.

83 Michele Obama is leading the polls for IL Senate: http://bit.ly/RENjJO

84

Whatever course Boehner takes in the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling talks, his response cannot be blamed on the undue influence of Tea Party 'extremists'. His will be the definitive mainstream Republican position. If that position happens to be abject and craven surrender to the Democrats then it's time, I think, for the GOP to go the way of the Whigs. The Whig Party fell apart because its leadership refused to take a strong stand against slavery. The big issue of our day is the stealth Marxist socialist takeover of the United States, which would in turn become a dictatorship in all but name. Either fight or move aside.

 

I consider myself a Party of Lincoln Republican. This breaks my heart.

85 Somewhere between finger-painting, fire-hardening spears, and the first shell necklace, a man realized he could stack some rubble, stand at the top and
predict...oh, a sunset.  And we would pay him for the privilege of this knowledge.
He was not a nice guy.  Nothing has changed.
DangerGirl you can find me at Goodreads.  I owe you.

86

I'm bringing this over from the previous thread since it has direct bearing on the whole fiscal cliff fiasco, to which Boehner's purging of the heretics is but one piece.

 

Thanks to      alexthechick (pbuh),   the Chicago Tribune     (http://trib.in/YzTEcO       is calling for Obama to show a little    flexibility and meet the Republicans part way on spending cuts.   My favorite part of the whole story   -- which still manages to be fawning and     reverent to the Boy King -- has got to be the very first sentence of the actual piece.    After a long    quote pulled from a    2009 Tribune interview with Obama in which he talks about the necessity of entitlement reform, and how he intends to "spend political capital" to make it happen, they give us this gem:

 

Four years later, President Obama has a golden chance to begin keeping that commitment.

 

Just let that soak in.

87 It's hilariousthat some people think Let It Burn is an option. It's inevitable, it's not some match we can light or not light. It's burning now, and will continue to burn. It's not a wildfire, it's a slow-death smolder. It's not that it's thought of as an option. It's a warning to not attempt to put it out.

88 Any loyalty I had for the GOP is gone.  Fuck it.  It's third party time, even if it means we lose the next four elections.

89 4 Who in the fuck voted for cap and trade? They should be out of the GOP immediately. Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 01:23 PM (tVTLU) I believe one of them was the guy up towards Chicago, had a stroke or something. I can't remember his name. My old man loved him because he was in the the Naval Reserve. I told him he was gay and fucked up as a football bat.

90

"Jaws, instead of the lawyers, make sure reporters get it first this time."

 

I  don't  discrimate against the enemies of  Liberty based on  race, sex, religion, *or*  profession.   First come, first serve.

 

I'm all EEOC like that.

91 The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame? You know the media will never let any of this stick to Barry. And our team is so inept at messaging that they'll never change the messaging.

Simple.

They get the blame no matter what.

Seriously, the economy tanks, it's Republicans' fault. Fiscal cliff? Republicans' fault.

92 Oh stop with the vapors. Boehner is a skilled statesman who is playing the DC game on our behalf. You have to win to accomplish anything. Like a four pack per day habit and a fabulous shade of orange.

93 65 I have a question. When did the first article about the purging of reps from committees appear and where? This was one of the first articles posted- "GOP ousts lawmakers from plum posts" http://bit.ly/11ueYiA

94 Here's how I'm doing Let It Burn:

I'm voting West in 2014.  Up until that point, I will totally ignore the Republicans, and the polls, and who's getting in the race.  Don't. Care.

West is SMOD. The end of the Republican party.

BONUS: we don't have to bother forming a new party.  Just everyone Vote West.

I'll send money to DeMint and Palin, because they are effective at helping kick start races in the states.  But I'm still voting West.

95

But but but, I cried when I let them go from their committees, so you know it was difficult and for the best. - Weepingly Boner

96 Look how well supporting cap and trade worked out for Mike Castle, Arlen Specter and Olympia Snowe. Republicans who vote with the left don't survive reelection and usually die, retire or cash out on K Street, so why go to all the trouble?

97 *clicks the Smaug story in the sidebar* ... Well, played.

98 I have a question. When did the first article about the purging of reps from committees appear and where?
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 06, 2012 01:35 PM (GoIUi)

Maybe 2 days ago. And it appeared everywhere

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 01:36 PM (79ueO)

The first place I saw it was Fox, but that is because they are the first in line for my morning news links.  It was in several others at the same time the same morning.

99 Ever notice how Boehner never draws much fire from the MFM?

I mean aside from the requisite description as Repub SoH, or resisting taxes, you know, role definition.

Kinda weird how he's not portrayed as an evil villain 24/7 by the commie press,

.......or maybe not.

100

Giving them what they want will not 'Let it Burn'.

 

Giving Barky an increase in the Debt Limit will enable him to keep the good times rolling through the rest of his term.

 

Giving him another big batch of Stimulus money, will enable him to bail out the broke states and give payback money to all his cronies.

 

So I say...No Increase in the Debt Limit.

If you want 'Burn', that will do it.

 

101 I mean 2016.  Whenever.  Screw it. I may vote West both times.

Country *and* Western.

102 I've missed you Hadji!

103 *clicks the Smaug story in the sidebar* Wait... "The Hobbit" is a musical?

104 >>>Would it be better to have forty one solid conservative Rs in the Senate or fifty-one with a dozen RINOs?

Um...are you fucking kidding?  FIFTY-ONE.  And wouldn't be a "dozen" RINOs, it would probably be three or four at most.  But yes, yes, yes, you have to be tragically naive to think there is literally any conceivable advantage, in the current political world that exists, to having 41 "true cons" versus 51 GOP Senators and control over the calendar, bringing judicial nominees to a vote, all the Senate subcomittees, etc.  Anyone who posits otherwise simply has no understanding of the scope and breadth of what a majority in the Senate enables in terms of its legislative functions. 

Also, people need to realize that Dave Schweikert wasn't removed from his committee by John Boehner for being "too conservative," he was removed for being a nasty little dishonest rat-faced weasel shit who connived with the liberal media to unjustifiably tar the reputation of Ben Quayle, whom he was running against in a primary.  He's a turd who should be kicked to the curb.

105 Lets kill boner

106 Republicans who vote with the left don't survive reelection and usually die, retire or cash out on K Street, so why go to all the trouble?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 01:41 PM (i0vBR)

The hell you say

107 Weepingly Boner I know a doc that can fix that.

108

At a time when party unity is more important than ever, Boehner pulls this stunt. I couldn't take his slurry pronouncements prior to the purge, now I just see him as evil rather than just merely incompetent.

 

Do ANY of the Beltway types comprehend that the TEA party won them the house in 2010?

109 The die is cast.

LiB

110 Ben Quayle. No quayles. Ever again.

111 106 Lets kill boner

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 01:43 PM (uFY4s)

-----

I do that all the time....

112

it's a slow-death smolder.

 

 

Remember those snakes from independence day, yoiu lit the little pellet and the snake came forth amid fire and brimstone....a lot like that.

113 That link to Smaug in the sidebar isn't fooling anyone!

114 108 viva viagra

115 Whom did Boehner give the seat on the Abolition Of Christmas Trees Subcommittee?

116 no body likes a weeping Boner. You gotta get that thing checked

117 112 then why do you turn me on

118 Conservatives don't even make up a majority of the GOP, let alone a majority of Americans. Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 06, 2012 01:37 PM (1Y+hH) Yes. We are still a majority in this country. Problem is: A). The Church of Progressive Liberal Fundamentalism owns the cities. Lock, Stock and Barrel. If not for Chicago, Illinois would be red. B). The big states that are controlled by one or two metropolitan areas, cannot be outvoted for the Senate by the rural areas. C). Conservatives and leaners are too split on one or two issues to solidify into a Liberal rejecting force. This is where the Marxists attack and win.

119 ""The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame?"

I think the more important thing is surviving the fire. If it burns in the right way, there won't be any liberals left on the other side. Not enough to matter, anyway.

120 The hell you say Posted by: Linsay Graham, Olympia Snow, Susan Collins at December 06, 2012 01:43 PM (YdQQY) **** Graham has a lifetime ACU rating of 88.95% and 92% for 2010. He isn't as far left as folks think.

121 Kudos to Boehner for showing some leadership. Publicly criticizing him and openly rebelling doesn't help him negotiate from a position of already limited strength, and like it or not, he's the only one at the table. Joe Walsh and Allen West and other outspoken conservatives were all run out of office, and their colleagues have all taken notice. Not saying Boehner should 't tell Obama to take a flying leap, but he can do it and be taken seriously without the peanut gallery piping up.

122 If you have an erection lasting longer than

123 Lets kill boner Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 01:43 PM (uFY4s) I can do that for you...

124 Purging Boner???

125 Apparently these difficult, contentious appointments have taken a toll on Boehner. He nearly wept on camera.

126 no body likes a weeping Boner. You gotta get that thing checked Go see Dr. Vinny Boom Ba.

127 I forgot we need to sit down and shut up. I didn't realize Boehner's survival in office is the most important thing.

128 Daniel Horowitz does realize that Mary Bono Mack lost her election, right?

129 122 you love voter fraud don't you permanent ink scar

130 113 Remember those snakes from independence day, yoiu lit the little pellet and the snake came forth amid fire and brimstone....a lot like that.   -------   As long as it's not like the giant snake in that South Park episode.  

131 Be happy in your work and don't kwai me a river.

132 9. Drink a lot

The other stages are all concomitant with this one.

133 He isn't as far left as folks think.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 01:46 PM (piMMO)

He is my damn Senator and yes he is.  While a low ACU rating is god for evidence of RINO a borderline high is not by itself. In those case where they are hitting around 90% you must also look at how many times he has crossed the aisle to screw the Party on major legislation.  Graham does that a lot.

A lot of these RINOs like Graham team up with other Senators and game the ACU votes.

134

So, It wil burn in some fashion or other.

 

Nearest Exit Route?  Or will I need to stop drop and roll?  Choices. 

 

I'll be checking for an exit route and it involves preparedness of all sorts.

135 Purging Boner??? Posted by: A. Cooper at December 06, 2012 01:47 PM (jvd3N) Sandra Fluke uses those, you know, when shes gotta clean....house.

136 I keep seeing articles refer to Jones (NC) and Amash (MI) as conservatives. With regards to Jones, his ACU scores for the past two years are a 65 and a 60, respectively. As for Amash, his nickname is "Mr. No" because he is a miniature Ron Paul. Frankly, there are other conservative members who are better suited to Budget than he is.

137 124 you turn me on, u sweet lovable antisemite

138

>>...The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame? You know the media will never let any of this stick to Barry.

 

I'd like to think we could solve this by decorating a few lampposts with "journalists."

139 I forgot about the part where Congressmen take an oath to defend the Speaker of the House. I mistakenly thought they took an oath to defend the Living Constitution, which is like a hundred years old.

140 What do you call a weeping Boner, a drippy dick in need of a cure...

141 Gosh, if I didn't know better I would swear that Boner was working for JEF.

Oh wait, I don't know better.

LIB.

142 re: "When did the first article about the purging of reps from committees appear and where?"

Monday in Roll Call. Apparently they were fed the story before it was even true; they say they couldn't get any quotes, because their calls to the purged were the first they (the purged) heard of it. That may be bullshit. But obviously, the story was originated by Team Orange, and making a show for the media was their top priority.

Notable quote:

The shuffling is the latest sign that Boehner is flexing his muscle with the right flank of his conference as he seeks a united front during tense fiscal cliff negotiations with President Barack Obama.

That's the uncited-press-release/why-the-source-talked part of the story. So...that's the story. And it's in "whip" language, so that's where it came from.

143 Vic, I'd like to seem him replaced, all I'm saying is that he's no Snowe or Brown.

144 Also, people need to realize that Dave Schweikert wasn't removed from his committee by John Boehner for being "too conservative," he was removed for being a nasty little dishonest rat-faced weasel shit who connived with the liberal media to unjustifiably tar the reputation of Ben Quayle, whom he was running against in a primary. He's a turd who should be kicked to the curb.

________________

Thanks!  I have been trying to find out exactly what Schweikert did because I saw some hints about how he was playing the "conservative victim" and getting everybody up in arms,  when he deserved to be booted.

I find it interesting that when I pull up articles on the search,  the first ones about Boehner "purging conservatives" are all from lefty leaning press sources,  like The Hill,  Politico,  and Reuters.  And the source all of these sites use to show how Boehner is "purging" people is Schweikert.  Imagine that.

145 Ron Paul Sucks. Rather have Hagel than paul

146 Republicans, especially the House, have passed a ton of legislation over the last several years.

They actually have debt proposals and a budget. How old is Ryan's original plan now?

As much as I like to criticize them- it's not like they have been sitting on their thumbs.

Conversely, Democrats have destroyed the economy and never passed a budget in four years. The President accumulates over $1.2 trillion in additional debt each year. He has tripled our national debt.

But yet if this fails...it's Republican's fault?

No small wonder why this country is fooked. Sheeple can't follow the facts.

147 C'MON MAYANS!!!!!!!

148 Purging Mr Boner...Mr Boner...Purging Mr Boner, please pick up the house phone.


LOLZ!!

 I crack myself up!!

149 Also, people need to realize that Dave Schweikert wasn't removed from his committee by John Boehner for being "too conservative," he was removed for being a nasty little dishonest rat-faced weasel shit who connived with the liberal media to unjustifiably tar the reputation of Ben Quayle, whom he was running against in a primary.

We do forget that these are people and people who are on our side are not necessarily honest or of high character and can often take advantage of our allegiance.

150 148 apple isn't very good.

151 The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame?

Make him lead.  Stop pretending our opposition means anything and just openly announce we're voting 100% party line in favor of whatever the President wants.  He can't blame us very effectively if we support him more uniformly than his own party.  Stop playing our designated powerless scapegoat role in his kabuki theatre and make him take the lead.

152 Stills of Smaug my ass!!!! Fuck, I should have read the address bar.

153 Why aren't the Republicans screaming bloody murder about that filthy piece of shit Harry Reid's obstructionism? Why aren't there ads running in every state with a Senate race in 2014 painting Reid as a creepy, vile human being who couldn't pass a budget when he had a filibuster-proof supermajority and tying the Dem Senate candidates in those states to him? Why aren't there ads showing their flagrant, hypocritical douchebaggery regarding the filibuster? All the fucking Demtard shitbag motherfuckers who were screaming bloody fucking murder over the mere suggestion of confirming a nominee with a simple majority now want to do away with the filibuster completely, AND OUR LEADERS AREN'T RAISING HELL ABOUT IT? What worthless suckers of cock they are.

Is there anybody in this stupid fucking party with any political aptitude whatsoever? Do we ever fight back? Ever? Or do we just let Obuttfuck piss all over us while our elected "leaders" talk about what a nice guy he is? I'm so fucking sick of this stupid motherfucking shit I'm ready to rockout with my Glock out.

154 I keep seeing articles refer to Jones (NC) and Amash (MI) as conservatives. With regards to Jones, his ACU scores for the past two years are a 65 and a 60, respectively. As for Amash, his nickname is "Mr. No" because he is a miniature Ron Paul. Frankly, there are other conservative members who are better suited to Budget than he is. *** Amash's rating was 91.67 when Paul's was 100%

155 Even SMOD will be blamed on the Republicans, so I say...bring it on!

156 The GOP is for Scott Browns, not Jim Demints. It belongs to John Boehner, not the millions of GOP voters. They believe in comity with liberals, but will fight conservatives to the death. It's time to ditch the small group of moderates who run the GOP for a new party.

157 Vic, I'd like to seem him replaced, all I'm saying is that he's no Snowe or Brown.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 01:50 PM (piMMO)

They had rating well below the DIABLO break point. They were Democrats with an R after their name.

158 Boehner sucsk! That is the only thing to say, unless he pulls out a win, which would require a miracle!

159 Heh. Make the pugants wear a scarlet letter.

160

John "Vidkun" Boehner

161
Did the Vandals care about taking the blame?
The Visogoths?
Ghengis Kahn?

Nope. 

162 We will get a "deal" with tax increases and lot's of excuses.

It's Boehner negotiating. Even the Suruwaha People know he will fold and sell-out.

163 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

164 ODB relax dude embrace the LIB, just surrender, go with it gonna happen anyway, make them own it

165 Exit route? there is no exit route from Let it Burn. I would however invest in asbestos speedos.

166 Let.  It.  Burn.

167 "...and the Fed defaults." It won't be the Fed that defaults. It will be the American people who default. The Fed doesn't owe the debt. They (and a few other central banks) own the debt. Maybe that will help clear up some of the founders and others warnings about having a privately owned central bank in charge of issuing our currency for ya.

168 I'd like to think we could solve this by decorating a few lampposts with "journalists." Don't forget the pineapples! First, affix the pineapple atop the post, then proceed with the "Libyan Liberation" move.

169

Not a new epiphany:  Those in DC are playing 6 dimensional chess cubed with constantly changing fields of play.  Most of their maneuverings are beyond comprehension to normal thinking beings.

 

That being said, it is likely that the games being played have little to do with representing.

170 >>>Kudos to Boehner for showing some leadership. Publicly criticizing him and openly rebelling doesn't help him negotiate from a position of already limited strength, and like it or not, he's the only one at the table. Joe Walsh and Allen West and other outspoken conservatives were all run out of office, and their colleagues have all taken notice. Not saying Boehner should 't tell Obama to take a flying leap, but he can do it and be taken seriously without the peanut gallery piping up.

I'm impressed that there's at least one other person (and one not normally tarred as a "RINO") around here who understands this point.  We are negotiating from a position of *EXTREME* weakness as it is.  The preening and spotlight-grabbing primadonna stuff from backbenchers -- who are more concerned about their own careerist ambitions, i.e. getting media and blog love and raising their profiles, than actually getting the best deal -- doesn't help.

"Let It Burn" is not a fucking answer -- it may make people feel better when repeating the phrase in a blog comment section, but we can all be internet tough guys since we don't have any responsibility.  Meanwhile, it's not just an irresponsible position, it's an immoral one for elected officials tasked with governing the country to take.  Even if, yes, Obama is a fucking piece of shit. 

At some point, should Boehner just be willing to walk away?  You bet.  If Obama doesn't move off his current "offer" (and I use scare-quotes there) then fuck him, he's not negotiating in any real sense.  But Boehner is the only one at the table, as you said, and he needs to be able to negotiate with a free hand, without looking over his shoulder, to see if he can get something better.  Otherwise Obama and his team -- who aren't retards, you know -- will simply play the two wings off one another and screw us all even more.

I do worr

171

As for Amash, his nickname is "Mr. No" because he is a miniature Ron Paul. Frankly, there are other conservative members who are better suited to Budget than he is. 

 

Heh. Did you read what you wrote there? $16T? $22T? Yeah, the last thing we need is Dr. No dicking with the budget. The budget is too low! That's the problem.

172

Point of order.

 

Don't only 16 republicans have to abstain.  CAN'T WE GET THAT FUCKING MUCH.  I'd say we at least have 3 or 4 off of committees that should be abstaining.

173 I find it interesting that when I pull up articles on the search, the first ones about Boehner "purging conservatives" are all from lefty leaning press sources, like The Hill, Politico, and Reuters. And the source all of these sites use to show how Boehner is "purging" people is Schweikert. Imagine that.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 06, 2012 01:51 PM (GoIUi)

Tammy Bruce has been criticizing him for this and maybe Rush has also (I don't listen to him regularly).

174 They had rating well below the DIABLO break point. They were Democrats with an R after their name. **** Yes. Oh yes, they are.

175 148 apple isn't very good.

Posted by: alex of school and quite insane at December 06, 2012 01:53 PM (uFY4s)

Yeah, that was a leftover sock from yesterday that stayed in my cache for some reason.

Apple sucks.  It really never pays to be a sheep.

176 Don't forget the pineapples! First, affix the pineapple atop the post, then proceed with the "Libyan Liberation" move.

Posted by: t-bird at December 06, 2012 01:55 PM (FcR7P)

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Now why didnt I think of that.

177

Second look at Sweet Meteor of Death?

 

I'm on Team SMOD / Barbed Cock of Satan, myself.  But I'm a moderate.

 

LIB/Cthulhu is for the extremists.

178 Jeff B @ 105 said:

"And wouldn't be a "dozen" RINOs, it would probably be three or four at most."

Um, we have more than three or four now.  The conventional wisdom method of getting to a majority always involves choking our bile and electing yet more RINOs.  So we get nominal control and thus the blame but the the RINOs 'reach across the isle' and we still get Progs passing legislation.  Worst of both worlds.

The goal has to be first be unifying our own camp to the point where we could actually accomplish something when we next take control.  We have tried the reverse order enough times and failed that we should be ready to write it off as a bad idea.

THEY understand that.  The very last of the 'blue dogs' are gone now.   They present a solid blue wall of hate and wickedness now.  And they are kicking our butts, just in case you have been under a rock the last couple of years.

179 We have just witnessed the first stage of the New GOP's 3 dimensional chest initiative. The shit just got real.

180 Don't forget the pineapples! First, affix the pineapple atop the post, then proceed with the "Libyan Liberation"move. Baby Doc Duvalier move, aka Flaming Tire Necklace.

181 Wait, so from what I'm reading in the thread:
(1) Boehner's camp goes to Roll Call and says he's doing a purge.
(2) The "purged" don't know about it.
(3) The "conservatives" that were purged weren't really all that conservative.
(4) Get rid of Boehner.

What if...just go with me here...what if the GOP is finally getting good about this messaging thing and we're just too knee-jerk to let them?

182

Posted by: sophistahick at December 06, 2012 01:55 PM (UhXzR)

 

Alexander the Great. Gordian knot. Sword. That's how that game is played.

183 Posted by: In Cognito at December 06, 2012 01:55 PM (1MXyW) I meant "the Feds" not the fed itself. I wonder where the debt goes when all those 50 united states decide being united isn't a good idea?

184

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at December 06, 2012 01:53 PM (KSjsb)

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Those are all really great questions. I'll forward them on to Reince Preibus, who just sent me a fundraising letter this morning.

 

I'll add your questions right at the end of my note which directs the RNC to spend my $500.00 on the Zac Moffatt Targeted Victory posse.

185 84 Michele Obama is leading the polls for IL Senate: http://bit.ly/RENjJO Our ground game isn't transferrable to other Democrats. Well, maybe just one...

186 The budget is too low! That's the problem. Posted by: entropy

Huh?

187 If I click on one more goddamn sidebar link and that fucking 'London Boys' album cover appears I'm going to hunt down and murder you, ace. I swear on my children that you'll pay.

188 Who put these Republicans on those committees?

189
It is gone.

May the purifying fire come and go quickly.

Although I suspect we will feel the burning coals upon our feet until at least 2018.

190

Meanwhile, it's not just an irresponsible position, it's an immoral one for elected officials tasked with governing the country to take. Even if, yes, Obama is a fucking piece of shit.

 

Then maybe they shouldn't have spent the last several decades setting it up and making it inevitable.

 

You in the camp that just thinks deficits can keep going up and up forever, just like housing prices?

191 But Boehner is the only one at the table, as you said, and he needs to be able to negotiate with a free hand, without looking over his shoulder, to see if he can get something better. Otherwise Obama and his team -- who aren't retards, you know -- will simply play the two wings off one another and screw us all even more.

I do worr

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see..... SEEE!!!!

I told you guys Big Sis is watching.  Jeff B "disappeared" mid post.....

192 What if...just go with me here...what if the GOP is finally getting good about this messaging thing and we're just too knee-jerk to let them?

Then they're not good at messaging.

The key to Democrats winning the messaging war is that when they say Conservative (or insufficiently Liberal) things, their base knows that, at the end of the day, they can still be counted on to vote Liberal.  We have no such faith in the Republicans, because they've proven over and over to be untrustworthy.

193

The reason I vote for GOP is because of the hope that they would be fiscally responsible.  If the party is going to be democrat lite on fiscal matters, I'm out.  So it seems like I am a voter without a party that represents my views.   That probably was true all along, even if Romney had won, but this move by Boehner seems to seal the deal.

194 @157

All you need to know about the modern day GOP is that Mitt Romney was vicious and unrelenting to his fellow GOP primary mates and rolled over for Obama during the general.

Our supposed "leader" in the house has nearly completed a purge of all conservatives on house committees. Why is that?

Because he intends to strong-arm a grand bargain either through his caucus or through committee.

The GOP has left us, it is time to leave the GOP!

195 see..... SEEE!!!!

I told you guys Big Sis is watching. Jeff B "disappeared" mid post.....

Posted by: fixerupper at December 06, 2012 02:00 PM (nELVU)

 

I saw that, too!  I had this image of him being picked right out of his seat, possibly right out of his shoes, by a passing     CIA drone.

196 I'm seriously considering abandoning the entire party to join the full blown libertarians. I just can't fucking take it anymore, fuck the GOP.

They've got one more election in 2016, and I swear to all that is holy, if Jeb Bush is the GOP candidate i'm fucking done and switching parties. No bullshit, I can't take this "moderate" shit anymore, let's just nominate a fucking democrat and be done with it.

I live in fucking WY anyway, i'm voting 3rd party.

197 ...Mitt Romney was vicious and unrelenting to his fellow GOP primary mates... **** I really liked that side of him. *swoon*

198 Those in DC are playing 6 dimensional chess cubed

Everyone thinks they're clever right up to the point where their head drops into the basket.  Then, not so much...
 

199 I had this image of him being picked right out of his seat, possibly right out of his shoes, by a passing CIA drone.

And I cheered.

200 Marcus, the problem is that is all window dressing, and they know it. They have the tools to hammer the left and won't use them. Go to 30d Appropriations, by sub agency or program, no omnibus crap. Troop lead the bastards. EPA wants to use fake email addresses to avoid scrutiny, well forgot their appropriations bill next month, etc. See how fast someone becomes a whistleblower when their mortgage is due. Two SCOTUS seats open up, cut their Appropriation down to seven justices, hell, Marshall got by with six. Obama whines, let him. Dirty Harry wants to play gams with the filibuster, fine cut Senate staff funding by 75%. All the Senators are rich bastards, they can pay for staff out of their own pockets. And my favorite, do not provide an appropriation to collect or administer withholding. Let Adam Smith's Pimp Hand teach the electorate something about the value of government.

201 They've got one more election in 2016, and I swear to all that is holy, if Jeb Bush is the GOP candidate i'm fucking done and switching parties. No bullshit, I can't take this "moderate" shit anymore, let's just nominate a fucking democrat and be done with it. *** Jeb will not be the candidate.

202 Dem leadership in Congress = raging leftists
Rep leadership = squishy moderates

It will always be more of the same unless this is fixed.

203 Heh. Did you read what you wrote there? $16T? $22T? Yeah, the last thing we need is Dr. No dicking with the budget. The budget is too low! That's the problem.

No, the problem is that even when they do manage to put forth a budget cut, kneejerk idealists like Ron Paul and Amash vote against it because it didn't go far enough.  No matter how far it went.

204 I nicely told the RNC they will not receive another dime until Boehner is gone.

And then, maybe.

I am done watching the clown circus running each other over.

205

Cashin, come to the dark side.  The water's fine.  Join us.

 

206 The United States Government has become a fucking joke.  These bastards are only interested in their own power and wealth and give a flying fuck about you or your life.

They haven't attacked Reid because THEY DON'T CARE.  He broke the LAW by campaigning for Obama on the Senate floor and NOTHING HAPPENED.  Voter fraud.  Lies.  Deception.

They don't care.  It stopped being about the citizens of this once great country a LONG time ago and it's going to take a full on revolution to take it back.  Vote EM ALL OUT.

207 Jeb is a few family problems that will see the light of day that are going to stop him from running for President

208

If Boehner is getting troops in line for the fight, I have no problem with that and good.

 

However, true Repubs should not be purged off of committees, etc. 

 

That should happen to lib pubs.  I am withholding judgment to see what they are going to do with regard to the budget deal, but I have not been impressed so far.

 

If Boehner was smart, he would appoint a fresh, new young face to lead the negotiations.  Tom Cotton anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Seriously though, boehner shouldn't negotiate shit.  he strikes me as a pussy.  whether it's true or not, I don't know.  but we need someone better at the negotiations.

209 Posted by: Jeff B. at December 06, 2012 01:55 PM (TuW+p)

You're ignoring one big thing...Let It Burn simply means letting the people have their way. There's nothing immoral about that.

People wanted more spending, a bigger federal government and pretend revenue increases. The only way to convince them of the folly of these positions is to let them see them in action.

210 From Twitter: The Obama administration has tapped Gen. Lloyd J. Austin to lead CENTCOM. The last U.S. gen in Iraq, he will now oversee Afghan draw down.

211 I'm trying to become well, not king, or prince, or grand duke, no, Earl of all Social Media with new hashtag for Rubin//Boehner "Republicans". #VichyRepublicans http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/marshal-petain-becomes-premier-of-occupied-france      

212 Dem leadership in Congress = raging leftists
Rep leadership = squishy moderates centrist leftists

It will always be more of the same unless this is fixed.

Posted by: slatz at December 06, 2012 02:03 PM (mE0Rl)

Changed for accuracy.

There are no right leaners left in our government.  They're all center left or hard left.

213 Jeb is a few family problems that will see the light of day that are going to stop him from running for President **** Jeb's time has come and gone. The romance here in Florida has long since faded. He might be popular in pockets, but the statewide popularity has diminished.

214 why is Boehner suddenly going to be smart and get his troops in line and a tough negotiator. If he had any of those skills we would have seen them before now. He is gonna try and strike a deal that is gonna be whipped cream on shit. We can only hope that being given 99% of hat he asked for like Arafat, the JEF will walk away in a snit. He negotiates like a terrorist

215 209 If Boehner is getting troops in line for the fight, I have no problem with that and good. I do. He's a shitty general. The fucker should have been replaced a month ago.

216

No, the problem is that even when they do manage to put forth a budget cut, kneejerk idealists like Ron Paul and Amash vote against it because it didn't go far enough. No matter how far it went.

 

Hollowpoint, it didn't go far enough. Wasn't going to stop the burn, which will happen now no matter what we do.

217 Let. It. Blow!

218

I will ask again....

 

WHYYYYYY  are people making such a huge-ass deal out of three backbench rookies getting their hands rapped?  Jesus, people are acting like this is some massive Stalinist purge or something. 

219

The GOP must compromise on revenue.  They said they would.

 

That much is smart.  Now you force the dems to come up with budget cuts.

 

This I have yet to see.  It shouldn't be that hard.  If dems refuse to do something, pass simpson-bowles.  that was it just is not a repub proposal.

 

Now is time to take a hard line on the budget.  Period.

220 202 "Jeb will not be the candidate."

Seems true now, but as I recall the preferred candidate in 2012 was "Anyone but Romney." So yea, i'm already prepared to be vastly disappointed. I haven't been conservative my entire life, but the time I have been can be surmised as a long string of disappointments after the other.

221

No matter how far it went. Hah! How far did it go?

 

A severe decrease to the rate of increase? Severely conservative.

222 The GOP has left us, it is time to leave the GOP!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 06, 2012 02:01 PM (RrD4h)

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Done already.  Changed my affiliation to Independent this year.

223

210...Let It Burn simply means letting the people have their way. There's nothing immoral about that.

 

Barky wants to have the unlimited ability to raise the Debt Limit.

 

So you're saying we should let him have that?

 

 

 

 

224 I do. He's a shitty general. The fucker should have been replaced a month ago.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 06, 2012 02:08 PM (hjRtO)

 

Yeah, he's such a shitty general that he kept control of the House while Barack Obama was winning 338 electoral votes. 

225 it's not like the "uncompromising" position in this particular situation gets us anything/makes us look any better anyway.

The best, most conservative option on the table is to go over the fiscal cliff.  Do you see any scenario where we really get spending cuts?  Do you see any scenario where we see the tax rates stay the same, or go lower?  No, those things aren't going to happen.

The only "bargain" we'll be able to get is either a) no cuts in spending, and tax rates go up (complete loss), or... b) promised future cuts (the same as no cuts), and only the "top" tax rate goes up- which is also a complete loss.

226 He negotiates like a terrorist

Posted by: Thunderb at December 06, 2012 02:07 PM (Dnbau)

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Well.... to be fair to TFG,  all he ever did was "community organizing".... which means "give us what we want or we'll fuck yer shit up."

He and his merry band of fascists dont know any better.

227 >>>and "RINO" seems to increasingly not refer to actual policy differences but whoever doesn't engage in enough firebreathing rhetoric It's just another epithet. Of course, the logical conclusion to Not-RINO would be Mark Levin or Limbaugh, two of the biggest RINO-hunting agitators out there. But no one seems to be for pushing them in to positions of elected office and actual responsibility.

228 "The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame?"

This is wholly dependent on the MFM burning too, which is assumed with the LiB concept. Anything bad that happens short of a true reset will be blamed on the GOP. Obama can do nothing wrong until such time as there is a reset and actual pain felt by His children.

229 They mention Bilbray. He lost.

230 WHYYYYYY are people making such a huge-ass deal out of three backbench rookies getting their hands rapped? Jesus, people are acting like this is some massive Stalinist purge or something.

Posted by: rockmom at December 06, 2012 02:08 PM (qE3AR)

Can't see the forest through the trees, eh?

231 So you're saying we should let him have that?

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 02:09 PM (CM59X)

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yes.

232

rockmom:

 

Indeed, the headlines seem a bit hyped up.  I will withhold judgment until I see what they do with the stupid fiscal cliff.

 

If they fuck this up though, I am going to start to lose hope.

233 Barky wants to have the unlimited ability to raise the Debt Limit.

So you're saying we should let him have that?


The debt limit is already too high by a factor of 10, in the absence of the political will to make those kind of debt reductions, sure, let him spend it till there is nothing left to borrow and spend.

234 WHYYYYYY are people making such a huge-ass deal out of three backbench rookies getting their hands rapped?

Because people are looking to be betrayed.  They want it to happen to say "I told you so."

235 new thread

236 I do. He's a shitty general. The fucker should have been replaced a month ago.

Maybe, but he wasn't.

Whether you dissent from the left or right, if you're not going to play ball don't expect to get rewarded with the choice committee assignments.

You might be the best widget maker in the factory, but if you regularly spit in your bosses coffee, you can probably forget about promotion.  That your boss is douche is irrelevant.

237 "The only problem with the "Let It Burn" idea, is how do conservatives avoid the blame?"


Who's talking about avoiding the blame.  Embrace the blame.  We'll get blamed no matter what happens. 

238 The "debt limit" is nothing but a speed bump anyway. Let Him have it, it will hasten the burn.

239 Its hard to fix blame without a head.  I'm just saying...

240 we are so screwed My apologies for the misunderstanding.

241 Rockmom, what did Boehner have to do with that, his House had horrible polling numbers. The 'Pub house is a function of demographics and control at the State level, not Boehner playing golf with Obama (PBUH).

242 Jeff B @ 171 said: "We are negotiating from a position of *EXTREME* weakness as it is.."

No we aren't.  We are in a crap position only if we accept the Prog Media's frame.  If we reject that we are in a position to win.  Yes, win.

I have written this before, one more time.

We are spending vastly more than we take in.  We are spending vastly more than any sane person believes the government can take in.  The problem is spending.  The problem is that since O came to power the Progs have decided to just skip the whole budget process.

If we can't go forth (with a base of paid advertising to bypass the Prog Media) and make the simple bumper sticker argument that "We have a budget problem.  We are taking the no-brainer position that if we are to get a grip on the budget the first step is to actually, ya know, pass a budget.  We have actually passed a budget.  We do not expect our opponents in the Senate to like our proposal, we do however expect them to to what every Congress has done from the Founding to the election of Obama and propose a budget of their own and meet us in a House Senate Conference.  Until then there shall be no more continuing resolutions and no increase in the debt limit."

Reid is in mortal terror of a budget and if it looked like he was being forced into debating one would give us damned near anything.  They have the weak hand.  They have convinced us that they are the ones winning so we refuse to attack our enemy in his weak spot.

243 Let It Burn" is not a fucking answer -- it may make people feel better when repeating the phrase in a blog comment section, but we can all be internet tough guys since we don't have any responsibility. Meanwhile, it's not just an irresponsible position, it's an immoral one for elected officials tasked with governing the country to take. Even if, yes, Obama is a fucking piece of shit.

At some point, should Boehner just be willing to walk away? You bet. If Obama doesn't move off his current "offer" (and I use scare-quotes there) then fuck him, he's not negotiating in any real sense. But Boehner is the only one at the table, as you said, and he needs to be able to negotiate with a free hand, without looking over his shoulder, to see if he can get something better. Otherwise Obama and his team -- who aren't retards, you know -- will simply play the two wings off one another and screw us all even more.

I do worr

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 06, 2012 01:55 PM (TuW+p)

Jeff, while I agree with som of your comment , mainly the last paragrph.

I would like to know why you added we aren't responsible?

WE collectively from rich to poor will have to pay off/ cough up forThe decisions made by these deciders, We don't HAVE a voice unless we send people to State what we desire. So seeing those thrown out for a better 'working environment' for Boehner doesn't really appeal to many .

244 John Fund follows it with a question mark but it seems pretty clear that this is precisely what Boner is doing.  And it won't end well.

245 my bet is Boehner will give him 99% of what he wants and the JEF will walk away anyway. And off the cliff we go. What happens after that? I am all for LIB on the theory that after the burning, people will realize they do not want to pay to have the state control all aspects of their lives. Assuming we re still a democracy, we can resurrect after the burning. But surely the JEF has a plan for after the fall. How much power does he grab? He is going to force the crisis. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Whatever is left of the GOP needs to realize he wants to go over the cliff and anticipate what he is gonna do when we are down there.

246 We're the party of Freedom, and Liberty!  And Junk Science!
Endless Taxation for All!

247 No, the problem is that even when they do manage to put forth a budget cut, kneejerk idealists like Ron Paul and Amash vote against it because it didn't go far enough. No matter how far it went.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 02:03 PM (SY2Kh)

We would have a better chance of moderating Libertarians than pulling RINO's to the right.

The Libertarians are far more conservative than you give them credit for. Returning to constitutional government is the ultimate conservative ideal, yet most here would rather shit on Ron Paul over Iran. The drug issue is about freedom too.

I've voted R since my first vote (Reagan), my wife too. But I primaried for Ron Paul. (Texas), vote Romney in general.

We want it to burn, and are preparing for that.

Without conservatives finding common ground with Libertarians, and then taking voters from the Democrats, we will not win IN TIME to stop this.

248 Jeb's time has come and gone. The romance here in Florida has long since faded. He might be popular in pockets, but the statewide popularity has diminished.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 02:06 PM (piMMO)

That's the most positive thing I've read in this thread.  Jeb's probably a decent person and I don't dislike him but I was maxed out on Bushes in the Oval Office when Poppy told Eastern Europe to proceed more cautiously after Reagan gave them the green light they'd been waiting for ever since that gimp cocksucker FDR gave them to Stalin on a silver platter.  Enough with the Bush family forever.

249

#231 Bilbray was also in a district full of enviro-nuts and was allowed to vote for Cap and Trade to help him back home.  And it did, he was reelected easily in 2010, he just got hosed by redistricting this time and by the tidal wave for Obama in California.

 

One reason Democrats lost so many seats in 2010 was that Pelosi forced too many Democrats from purple and red districts to vote for Obamacare and especially Cap and Trade.  These were the Blue Dogs that gave her the majority in 2006, but she screwed them. 

 

Too many conservatives really have no idea how the House works. 

250 The first salvo will be the hardest.

251   If Boehner had a better record on fighting Obama everytime the ceiling is raised many of us might be more accepting of this move.

252

Barky wants to have the unlimited ability to raise the Debt Limit.

So you're saying we should let him have that?

 

What is the alternative? Have Republicans raise the debt limit just as high, piece by piece, with a tiny betrayal of everything they claim to stand for every couple months????

 

If they were going to hold the line and put their feet down, it might be different. But you're completely fucking delusional and in total denial of reality if you think they're going to do that. 

253 @226

This "fiscal cliff" was his creation sweety because he wasn't willing to go to the matresses over the debt ceiling hike, so now he's not willing to go to the matresses over the fiscal cliff which will lead to him having to compromise and craft a grand-bargain so that he can avoid going to the mattresses which will lead to him having to compromise and craft a grand-bargain so that he can avoid going to the mattresses which will lead to him having to compromise and craft a grand-bargain so that he can avoid going to the mattresses which will lead to him having to compromise and craft a grand-bargain so that he can avoid going to the mattresses which will lead to him having to compromise and craft a grand-bargain so that he can avoid going to the mattresses....


...which will lead to FULL ON SOCIALISM

254 I know this is slightly off topic  but why was Allen West redistricted?

255 Second look at Sweet Meteor of Death? Faster, please.

256 243 Rockmom, what did Boehner have to do with that, his House had horrible polling numbers. The 'Pub house is a function of demographics and control at the State level, not Boehner playing golf with Obama (PBUH).  

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 02:13 PM (ytax

Oh, OK, I get it.  All those votes Boehner held to repeal Obamacare, and pass a budget, and extend the tax cuts - none of that had anything to do with people deciding to vote for their Republican Congressman, it was just demographics.  Funny, my Congressman ran on all that stuff and won in a district that Obama carried. 

257 I'm also firmly on the let it burn bandwagon. Give the fucker everything he wants save unlimited debt raises, but still raise that to a cap.

If we go over the cliff? Republican obstructionism
If we go over the cliff and negotiate a deal afterwards? Democratic Saviors
If we get a shitty deal and then there's a recession? Republicans kept the recession preventing parts out of it
We get a pretty decent deal but there's a recession? See above

I really believe we are currently in a recession right now, it's coming regardless. It's time for some short term pain for a long term goal. I'm not ready to deal with a democrat's recession and be blamed for it and lose elections the next 20 years if not longer. Let it burn and we'll rebuild from the ashes in 2016, at least a Democrat and progressive policies will be toxic for at least a decade or so after this depression.

258

It would be more likely that George P. Bush, Jeb's son, might run for something.

 

Apparently GPB has filed paperwork to run in Texas.

 

 

259

Boehner, aka Weepy the Dwarf, will completely cave to Obama anyway, he is a spineless Northeastern establishment Republican, not quite Olympia Snowe, but on that side of the spectrum.

 

The sooner he just surrenders without a fight and gives Obama everything he wants, the less bad press from the MSM.

Obama stole the election, he has assumed the Article I powers Boehner should have to pass laws or cancel laws he doesn't like by Executive Order, and Weepy says nothing.  We no longer really live in a Constitutional Republic anymore, we are closer to Venezuela than most people think. 

The Fed already buys almost 90% of the debt, we will go Zimbabwe/Weimar hyperinflation soon, Social Security which "invested" its surplus in long term Treasuries will pay pennies on the dollar, and the elderly will soon be dumpster diving, and it probably no longer matters what kind of deal is reached, its is past the tipping point of debt to GDP, and all the arguing is about where to hang pictures on the Titanic after the iceberg.

 

260 155 Amash's rating was 91.67 when Paul's was 100% The problem with Amash is that he likes to complain but offers few solutions to the many problems we are facing. As I said, I can think of other conservatives-- some with better ACU ratings than Amash-- who would be more constructive choices.

261

I can see what he's doing - After the emergence of the TEA party we've had at least 2 mutually-exclusive factions in the GOP and we can't seem to get anything done since. He does need unity to get what HE wants done, its just that what he wants done is BS and craven BS at that.

 

Anyway I suspect the party's done and suggest you just tally up what's most important to you then accordingly.

I've always been more on the civil libertarian wing of the GOP so its Libertarians for me. Those who want top just win small-e elections without troubling themselves with principles can stay GOP [and no bones about it they're done with the big elections]. I dunno where socons and fiscons should go. Follow your conscience.

262 Allen West was redistricted due to cowardice of the Florida GOP, no doubt full of little gay Charlie Crists.  Florida donks offered to let them have all their incumbents in safe districts, if they'd redistrict West so he'd probably lose, and the state GOP was all over it.

263

Make him lead. Stop pretending our opposition means anything and just openly announce we're voting 100% party line in favor of whatever the President wants. He can't blame us very effectively if we support him more uniformly than his own party. Stop playing our designated powerless scapegoat role in his kabuki theatre and make him take the lead.

 

And when it all crashes the Democrats disown the president, blame the Republicans and go on to win big in 2016.  Inevitable whichever way you turn.

264 You might be the best widget maker in the factory, but if you regularly spit in your bosses coffee, you can probably forget about promotion. That your boss is douche is irrelevant. John Boehner doesn't pay their salaries. We do. He didn't elect them. We did. We are the bosses. If we aren't, it's time to ditch this shitty scapegoat party of polite quislings.

265

The United States Government has become a fucking joke. These bastards are only interested in their own power and wealth and give a flying fuck about you or your life.

They haven't attacked Reid because THEY DON'T CARE. He broke the LAW by campaigning for Obama on the Senate floor and NOTHING HAPPENED. Voter fraud. Lies. Deception.

They don't care. It stopped being about the citizens of this once great country a LONG time ago and it's going to take a full on revolution to take it back. Vote EM ALL OUT.

 

Miss me yet?

266

Why aren't there ads running in every state with a Senate race in 2014 painting Reid as a creepy, vile human being who couldn't pass a budget when he had a filibuster-proof supermajority and tying the Dem Senate candidates in those states to him?

 

With Democrats in a permanent campaign you would think RNC would get a clue.  To Dems politics is their whole life, to Repubs it's not even a part-time job.  That has to change.

267 49 Lamp posts pine longingly for decoration with the political class all over the nation. The lamps are wise, like Ents, they know its been too long, far too long. Future generations will come to think of them as "liberation trees" Posted by: @PurpAv at December 06, 2012 01:32 PM (vWHvS) Aaaand, just like that, I have a new signature at Ticker Forum. Thanks.

268 I said, I can think of other conservatives-- some with better ACU ratings than Amash-- who would be more constructive choices. *** Me too. That 91.67% isn't a helluva lot higher than Graham's rating.

269 I'm with Prescient: one last chance to Boehner to get his act together, enforce discipline, and carry out his plan...whatever the hell it is.

After Jan 1, if all is lost, I'm going to spend all my money on whiskey and gambling, go on welfare, and stop caring.

270 So who's running against Boehner and Cantor, and are they good witches?

271

Let it burn and we'll rebuild from the ashes in 2016, at least a Democrat and progressive policies will be toxic for at least a decade or so after this depression.

Posted by: Cashin at December 06, 2012 02:20 PM (TYEu4)

 

Rebuild from the ashes how? And why will progressive policies be toxic? The bad guys control the media.

 

So enough with 'Let it burn', please.  Everything that follows the burning part sounds to me like the pitch for a happy, hopeful post-apocalyptic musical doomed for straight-to-video distribution.  Me, I say fight these guys. Fight them, forestall them, balk them, hinder their efforts, call them out for what they are.  Letting the bad guys win so the audience can see how bad they are is not a winning strategy.

272 Also, based on my observations, Huelskamp's primary problem is his attitude. He has offered a variety of reasons for his ouster while conveniently failing to mention that other members who hold the same views have retained their assignments. (E.g., both he and Amash feel military spending should be on the table and they speculated that their overall view on the issue might be one reason for their removal.) Furthermore, he changes his attitude based on who is in the audience. Conservative members ought to be able to express their dissent when leadership is moving in the wrong direction but they need to do it with the proper attitude. Some of the biggest thorns in Boehner's side won concessions by arguing their cases rationally and consistently. Huelskamp could do more for the cause if he would follow their example.

273 Great, RedState link, which shows that THREE conservatives lost committee assignments.  Boo freakin' hoo.  One moderate also was reassigned for bucking "whipped" votes, which are all party members are required to follow.

Bunch of crybaby whiners.

274 Allen West was redistricted due to cowardice of the Florida GOP, no doubt full of little gay Charlie Crists. Florida donks offered to let them have all their incumbents in safe districts, if they'd redistrict West so he'd probably lose, and the state GOP was all over it.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud, minor internet royalty at December 06, 2012 02:29 PM (NVdGX)

What is up with the governor of the state?  He was purportedly a Tea Party guy, no?  If so he's the biggest fucking disappointment since Scottie Centerfold.  He was the guy who caved on George Zimmerman and let shit for brain Angela Corey prosecute it like a crazed harpie on meth.  Has he done anything intelligent?

275 RE #274 and the military spending issue, what I was trying to say is that both men offered it as a potential reason for their removal but there are other members both on and outside of Budget who share their opinion. Moreover, it does not explain why Huelskamp was also stripped of his Agriculture assignment.

276 Thanks ed.

277 Dear Speaker Boehner,

Please consider a position more suited to your talent and experience, sweeping barroom floors in Cincinnati.

Best regards.

278

@31: "Never did understand what people saw in Boner, guy just oozes Washington used car salesman sleaze."

 

And scotch.

279

Is it possible Boehner is simply reading the writing on the wall? 

He can see that his options are 'Cliff' or 'Taxmageddeon'.  In an effort to avoid shouldering the responsibility for either of those shitass options, maybe he's simply putting the people in place who will bow to the Dems; let their measures pass, and then the Dems own the entire flaming pile of shit.

He's washing his hands.  Let it burn.

280 95 (K-Bob): West was in for two years, and was hardly SMOD. He really didn't accomplish anything at all. He left no mark on Congress, and then he lost his seat.

I used to be a Palinista, but now her PAC raises $800,000 in a quarter and spends $750,000 of that on office expenses and fund raising. She gave $55,000 to candidates one quarter, and only contributed to Romney a day or two before the election. Really, her operation has like 93% overhead. If you want the money to get to your candidates, give directly.

281 "Not a new epiphany: Those in DC are playing 6 dimensional chess cubed with constantly changing fields of play.Most of their maneuverings are beyond comprehension to normal thinking beings."

No, they're just mind-bogglingly stupid.

282 "The GOP has left us, it is time to leave the GOP!"

Seconded.

283 "There are no right leaners left in our government. They're all center left or hard left."

The center is so far left of where it used to be that in practical terms we're all Leftists now.

LiB

284 So enough with 'Let it burn', please. Everything that follows the burning part sounds to me like the pitchfor a happy, hopeful post-apocalyptic musical doomed for straight-to-video distribution. Me, I say fight these guys. Fight them, forestall them, balk them, hinder their efforts, call them out for what they are. Letting the bad guys win so the audience can see how bad they are is not a winning strategy.

Posted by: troyriser at December 06, 2012 02:44 PM (vtiE6)

So we're supposed to call these people out for what they are? How? You just said yourself that the Lib's (not to be confused with the LiB [let it burn] community) control the media. You're right about the media, we can't forget that you and I are playing for the same team here.

But it's going to be very difficult to explain how Republicans are at fault for the policies that Dear Leader was pushing for himself, especially after the media is going to be declaring Obama the "great uniter" and proclaim his bi-partisan powers to bring a deal together that has saved the nation, from certain disaster no less. You, I, Ace, and every commenter here knows we're going to be hearing about that for weeks from the Media as trolls show up to take part in some more schadenfreude.

But then Unemployment jumps up, the next Quarter shows a rapid decline in GDP, and the following shows a contraction.

I'm living in a post-election world now, we tried all of the last election cycle to convince voters that Obama was terrible with reason and logic, they responded as children do, now it's time for them to take their medicine. Because the only way we return to the a senate majority, let alone the white house, is by making a big fucking picture of what liberal and progressive policies do. There's simply no better picture than a full blown depression.

Or, we can follow your plan, stand against him and be viciously blamed for it, Obama gets his tax increases anyway, gets to blame Republicans for a huge increase on middle class tax cuts as well as the recession that's coming, we're forever labeled as the party of the rich who destroys the middle class, and then lose huge in 2014.

But hey, at least we stood by our principles.

Let it burn. It's time to stop treating the electorate like adults, and treat them like the children they are.

285 sooo - how's that communal horse cum working out for your sorry lot?

286

Is it more delicious than troll tears?  I hope so, cuz that's all you're getting these days.

 

oh, and go fuck your communal horse cum loving selves. 

287
Posted by: Romney Defeats Obama at December 06, 2012 10:11 PM (KdyqO)




What's the matter ergi?
Got stood up again at the public bathroom?