June 24, 2012
— DrewM So...that's swell.
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Egyptians had two bad options and they took one. Of course there's no Parliament or constitution so the military is still running the show to a very significant degree. Still, it shows the direction the people of Egypt want to go in and this is the beginning not the end of the Muslim Brotherhood's push for control.
I guess they and Syria didn't get the memo that we are pivoting to Asia and China.
Wouldn't want to be a Coptic Christian in Egypt today.
Non-expert opinion: The military is trying to hold sway over things as long as they can and try and co-opt the Brotherhood. The reality is, revolutionary movements like the Brotherhood don't see elections as a charge to govern but an opportunity to increase power. Morsi will sound conciliatory and such but will leverage this victory to increase pressure on the military and to exercise greater control than whatever formal power he winds up.
Lots of optimistic talk among the usual suspects on CNN...the Muslim Brotherhood will be different or something. Personally, I think they've stood for things for decades, it seems insanely naive to think that they will suddenly moderate in victory.
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Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at June 24, 2012 06:36 AM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 24, 2012 10:36 AM (+XVQe)
You're telling me.
Posted by: John McCain at June 24, 2012 06:37 AM (uUsyW)
Posted by: nickless at June 24, 2012 06:38 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 24, 2012 06:44 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 24, 2012 06:44 AM (hlUJY)
Posted by: Muslim Brotherhood at June 24, 2012 06:46 AM (G9qZk)
Does the military allow this, or will we get a coup? Or would that be a junta?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 24, 2012 06:48 AM (3inkD)
If visiting the Pyramids is on your bucket list, be sure and move it to the last position.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 24, 2012 06:49 AM (cHZB7)
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 06:51 AM (uUsyW)
Does the military allow this, or will we get a coup? Or would that be a junta?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 24, 2012 10:48 AM (3inkD)
I heard that the military already agreed to hand over power if the Muslim Boyrapists won.
Posted by: ErikW at June 24, 2012 06:52 AM (SKdo3)
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 24, 2012 06:54 AM (eqtXE)
Posted by: ErikW at June 24, 2012 10:52 AM (SKdo3)
I seriously doubt that they'd even be announcing that Morsi won if the military hadn't agreed to it.
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 06:54 AM (uUsyW)
I seriously doubt that they'd even be announcing that Morsi won if the military hadn't agreed to it.
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 10:54 AM (uUsyW)
True dat.
Posted by: ErikW at June 24, 2012 06:55 AM (SKdo3)
Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at June 24, 2012 06:56 AM (/kI1Q)
It has been my experience with Arabs that what they say and what they do are often very different things.
But if there are enough MB sympathizers among the military, I suppose it could happen. Not sure how Mubarak could have held power so long if that's true, though. But then, they see what happened to him.....
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 24, 2012 06:56 AM (3inkD)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at June 24, 2012 06:57 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: 66chevelle at June 24, 2012 06:58 AM (QjSgY)
Go figure.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 24, 2012 06:59 AM (cHZB7)
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2012 06:59 AM (MQc8e)
Think they will need someone who likes to give speeches and play golf around, say, Jan. 20 or so?
Posted by: Barry Hussein at June 24, 2012 07:00 AM (LK3ef)
Why don't you ask the MB advisers freely wandering the halls of our State Department.
Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 24, 2012 07:01 AM (1GunI)
Posted by: AmishDude at June 24, 2012 07:01 AM (J5tI6)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 24, 2012 07:01 AM (3inkD)
I'm sure an Egyptian Rennaissance is right around the corner.
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 24, 2012 07:02 AM (BAS5M)
Back in late May, the incredibly wise folks at the WH approved $1.3 billion in aid to the Egyptian military for this year.
Go figure.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 24, 2012 10:59 AM (cHZB7)
Does Egypt possess nuclear weapons?
Posted by: ErikW at June 24, 2012 07:02 AM (SKdo3)
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 07:02 AM (uUsyW)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 24, 2012 07:02 AM (+usC4)
He received his Ph.D. in Engineering from the University of Southern California in 1982
A Trojan? Now we really hate him....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2012 07:05 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 24, 2012 11:02 AM (+usC4)
He will be very disappointed.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 24, 2012 07:05 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: AmishDude at June 24, 2012 11:01 AM (J5tI6
Good point. Sure, tourism's big there, but if they go full Salafist, there are a bunch of ancient statues of pagan gods that I'm sure they'll eventually have a problem with.
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 07:06 AM (uUsyW)
Better see the pyramids while you can. MB will dismantle them as unIslamic.
Vow to replace historic site with public executions and punishments.
Posted by: Jack at June 24, 2012 07:06 AM (wUFaM)
I'll stick with exploring them on the internet since there is never likely to be a time visiting them in person will be safe ever again.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 24, 2012 07:10 AM (tf9Ne)
Yep, and I do believe it's part of a long term strategy. In 20 years they can fight for control with the descendants of Marxist Hispanics who are doing the same thing.
I am so glad I don't have children.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 24, 2012 07:10 AM (3inkD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:11 AM (eoFv8)
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 24, 2012 07:11 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 24, 2012 07:12 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FNC, NYT, WaPo, etc. at June 24, 2012 07:12 AM (9yau1)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2012 07:12 AM (2pG7H)
That's just election rhetoric. He doesn't really mean it. We can work with this guy.
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain's descendents at June 24, 2012 07:14 AM (nEUpB)
Shooting and voting only buys so much time. I am trying to encourage all my nieces and nephews to breed like vermin.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 24, 2012 07:14 AM (3inkD)
What's changing is the overt influence of Islam taking over public life.
like that moon of Saturn or whatever, ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
Posted by: Bob in Baltimore at June 24, 2012 07:15 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2012 07:16 AM (ZN5qR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:16 AM (eoFv8)
Posted by: Bob in Baltimore at June 24, 2012 07:17 AM (Dll6b)
"Our capital shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing."
That's just election rhetoric. He doesn't really mean it. We can work with this guy.
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain's descendents at June 24, 2012 11:14 AM (nEUpB)
Morsi will have a little more flexibility after the election. Trust me on this one.
Posted by: Choomer in Chief at June 24, 2012 07:17 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 07:17 AM (uUsyW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:19 AM (eoFv8)
Ban the Jooo! He shouldn't be allowed to
Posted by: Peaceful Islamic spokesman at June 24, 2012 07:24 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 24, 2012 07:25 AM (+Aarq)
Posted by: Dr. VenkmanTC at June 24, 2012 07:26 AM (2pG7H)
Posted by: Muslim Brotherhood at June 24, 2012 07:27 AM (G9qZk)
Who will be the next country with a dictator that we insist must be replaced by someone else who always ends up to be a hardline Islamist? Syria perhaps? Lebanon?
Or maybe we should just look at world map and say, "hmmm, what country with a large Muslim population doesn't have a Jihad loving leader," and start there?
Thanks 52%.
-does that mean they'll blow up the pyramids? Because if I remember correctly, da jooos helped build them.
Posted by: shibumi at June 24, 2012 07:29 AM (z63Tr)
Morsi, I'm your white knight or, okay that analogy doesn't really work...whatever. I am here to save you from these sinful practices. Which items can go and how much?
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 07:29 AM (uUsyW)
Posted by: Scobface at June 24, 2012 07:30 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2012 07:31 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 24, 2012 07:31 AM (+Aarq)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2012 07:34 AM (ZPrif)
These are the descendents of the same perfumed princes with impeccable credentials who went to all the right schools and have all the right family connections who were sure that Hitler would dial back the rhetoric, and were sure that Castro would chuck aside the Stalinist leanings
No matter how many times they're proven to be clueless, they'll still be presented as "experts" because of those credentials and connections
Posted by: kbdabear at June 24, 2012 07:34 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Scobface at June 24, 2012 07:34 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:35 AM (eoFv8)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2012 11:34 AM
Or the suburbs of Detroit
Posted by: kbdabear at June 24, 2012 07:36 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:37 AM (eoFv8)
The Egyptian generals are very well aware of what will happen to their precious American toys if they fuck with Israel. There will be saber rattling and rhetoric and all sorts of provocation, but in the end, they will lose badly if they start a war...and they know it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 24, 2012 07:39 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: jjmurphy at June 24, 2012 07:39 AM (gWO5X)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:39 AM (eoFv8)
Posted by: MTF at June 24, 2012 07:40 AM (JOnLy)
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 07:40 AM (uUsyW)
Posted by: Justamom at June 24, 2012 07:41 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:41 AM (eoFv8)
NATO, here we come.
Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2012 07:42 AM (ZN5qR)
Yep, and I do believe it's part of a long term strategy. In 20 years they can fight for control with the descendants of Marxist Hispanics who are doing the same thing.
BTW, ye of little faith. We make fun of Democrats for assuming that Hispanics are automatically going to be a Dem voting block. Yeah, they're leaning that way, but they voted ~45% for Bush in '04. There's no reason for us to take for granted that will happen, much less calling them and assuming they'll be Marxists.
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 07:45 AM (uUsyW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:45 AM (eoFv8)
Posted by: Justamom at June 24, 2012 07:47 AM (Sptt8)
We'll see. They will have several years of control, and that will coincide with a decrease in effectiveness of their army. By the time the Islamic psychos have control over the armed forces, it won't be much of a threat.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 24, 2012 07:47 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 07:48 AM (uUsyW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:49 AM (eoFv8)
Posted by: Christine at June 24, 2012 07:49 AM (r/OjT)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 24, 2012 11:47 AM
I realize that's the conventional wisdom, and I wish I could agree.
But when the Egyptian Muzzie mobs, equipped with the latest U.S. military hardware, start pouring across the border, not caring if they as individuals live or die, Israel will have its back jammed up against the wall.
The last time Egypt went toe-to-toe with the Israelis, Israel at least had Nixon, who put them some additional supplies to turn the tide. This time, Israel has Bark Obama and Hitlery Clinton, neither of whom could be trusted to piss on a Jew if he was on fire.
Worse, given the current situation, I can see a number of Arab countries wanting a piece of this deal. They have U.S. equipment, too, and know damn well that the worst they have to fear from us is a Strong Statement from Bark Obama's Press Secretary.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2012 07:53 AM (MQc8e)
Toss in a radical jihadist government ...
Posted by: kbdabear at June 24, 2012 07:54 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Scobface at June 24, 2012 07:55 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Honey Badger at June 24, 2012 07:56 AM (IVRIf)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 07:58 AM (eoFv8)
This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlkNEG-5WM
CBU-97
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 24, 2012 07:58 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2012 07:58 AM (2pG7H)
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2012 11:53 AM (MQc8e)
Yes, I am being optimistic, but the MB hasn't demonstrated any skill at doing anything other than firing up the mob. We'll see what the generals are willing to do to keep power. They are a cutthroat bunch, and won't blink at killing.
And...which countries have the capability to get a piece of Israel?
Jordan? No.
Lebanon? No.
Syria? No.
Saudi Arabia wants Israel around as a balance against Iran. So they are out too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 24, 2012 07:58 AM (nEUpB)
See, this is my only hope: that a couple years with this going on and the Brotherhood in power will cause their popularity to drop dramatically. Of course, that only makes a difference if there are future open elections...
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 07:59 AM (uUsyW)
How's that "smart diplomacy" working for you now, Barry, Joe and Hillary???
Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 24, 2012 07:59 AM (Jls4P)
Posted by: teej at June 24, 2012 07:59 AM (RM1gx)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 08:02 AM (eoFv8)
And probably a generation to unwind the totalitarian machine built for us.
Posted by: Beto at June 24, 2012 08:03 AM (BAnPT)
I remember all the pundits saying the Muslim brotherhood would take over if mubarak was ousted. I remember the lefties and the administration denying this would ever happen. epic fail.
Posted by: The Jackhole at June 24, 2012 08:04 AM (DU15A)
Posted by: teej at June 24, 2012 08:04 AM (pyh5u)
Posted by: steevy at June 24, 2012 08:05 AM (Xb3hu)
What she meant to say was the original State Dept. propaganda was bullshit
Posted by: Beto at June 24, 2012 08:05 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: The Jackhole at June 24, 2012 12:04 PM (DU15A)
Romney's people should pull some tape out and make a campaign ad about Baraka's failure at foriegn policy.
Posted by: The Jackhole at June 24, 2012 08:05 AM (DU15A)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 08:05 AM (eoFv8)
Posted by: teej at June 24, 2012 08:06 AM (pyh5u)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 24, 2012 08:07 AM (Ir6P2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2012 12:02 PM (eoFv
We don't count. We're rubes, hicks, provincials, bitter clingers, flyover simpletons, red state fried butter eating, unenlightened, unevolved conservatives who never can vote for our own self interest in having a benevolent dictator Uncle Sugar.
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 24, 2012 08:08 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 08:13 AM (uUsyW)
Feh... want the truth of things?
Send a female reporter into that crowd... dressed as a 'western woman'.
Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 24, 2012 08:13 AM (1GunI)
Apart from Israel, the Mid-East has been a damaged place before Obaka and will continue to be. Obaka's aggressive ignorance notwithstanding, a lot of the 'Arub Sprung' was just waiting to happen. Mubarak was sick, the MB was already entrenched in Egypt, Gadafi would not have lasted more than a few years, Tunisia ... well, who cares.
The Mid-East has always been a clusterfart of immense proportions. Obaka's tenure certainly did not help matters but all that could have been done was to delay the coming storm.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 24, 2012 08:14 AM (famk3)
But this would/will be a "war" like Israel has never seen when the Muzzies get all stoned on their hate weed and start making mass suicide runs with something far more dangerous than rocks or shoulder-fired weapons.
Likewise, I agree the other countries mentioned wouldn't get involved singly. As a group, I can see them giving it a try. Likewise, I think the Saudis would rather clear Israel out of the way, no matter what they say. After all, they were our Big Buddyroos after 9/11 too, which, oh, no, they had nothing to do with at all.
At heart, they're all antisemitic bastards who will kill anyone and anything to further their little pedophilic, hateful god's "religion of pieces."
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2012 08:16 AM (MQc8e)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 24, 2012 11:02 AM (+usC4)
Just another moderate Muslim
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 24, 2012 08:17 AM (Ir6P2)
Posted by: Scobface at June 24, 2012 08:19 AM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Justamom at June 24, 2012 08:25 AM (Sptt8)
Curious who that intersection was named after.
Posted by: Beto at June 24, 2012 08:26 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Justamom at June 24, 2012 08:27 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: garrett at June 24, 2012 08:28 AM (p86/h)
Posted by: Eddie baby at June 24, 2012 08:31 AM (uPT1n)
Posted by: Deety at June 24, 2012 08:33 AM (rH+V2)
And I denounce myself.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 24, 2012 08:39 AM (3inkD)
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at June 24, 2012 08:41 AM (YYmZm)
Posted by: Beto at June 24, 2012 08:41 AM (BAnPT)
Damn. I know a bunch of Egyptologist / Archaelogists who should be crying in their Coffee this morning.
Posted by: garrett at June 24, 2012 08:42 AM (p86/h)
Posted by: eman at June 24, 2012 08:44 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: AD at June 24, 2012 11:45 AM (uUsyW)
I have lived in SoCal for 25 years, and have watched the naturally Conservative Hispanics (primarily Mexicans) who always vote Republican slowly but surely being outnumbered by Marxist Hispanics coming up from South America openly promising to overturn the country.
The large groups you see marching in the street on May Day every year? Those are the people I am referring to. They will never, ever vote for a Republican. Their stated goal is to destroy Capitalism and change America.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 24, 2012 08:47 AM (3inkD)
Posted by: eman at June 24, 2012 12:44 PM (ejmiE)
I was going to say Protected By Law, they are, but.... It's really an old tradition amongst romantic cultures.
Posted by: Beto at June 24, 2012 08:49 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: mohamed morsi at June 24, 2012 08:51 AM (p86/h)
Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2012 08:51 AM (WnnBz)
Posted by: Deety at June 24, 2012 08:58 AM (rH+V2)
Posted by: Marybeth at June 24, 2012 09:12 AM (NtEb5)
Posted by: eman at June 24, 2012 09:17 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: BuddyPC at June 24, 2012 09:21 AM (KCuY9)
Posted by: teej at June 24, 2012 09:26 AM (AiZkN)
"Morsi will sound conciliatory and such but will leverage this victory to increase pressure on the military and to exercise greater control than whatever formal power he winds up."
Making Jerusalem the capital of Dar al PISslam sounds very conciliatory.
Posted by: garrett at June 24, 2012 09:26 AM (p86/h)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2012 10:06 AM (r4wIV)
Well what did you idiots think was going to happen? Arab Spring. America Fall. But America, please keep sending us billions every year in "aid." We are so busy blowing people up and chopping off heads we just don't have time to work or grow food.
Posted by: Ahab the Arab at June 24, 2012 10:13 AM (9/NoY)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2012 10:23 AM (w7K7d)
Posted by: Smarty at June 24, 2012 11:42 AM (u5y7Y)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 24, 2012 12:25 PM (KLP9f)
Posted by: ChampionCapua at June 24, 2012 12:47 PM (KZi9D)
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Egyptian men include Omar Sharif (born Michel Demitri Shalhoub, Coptic; converted to Islam as an adult years after his acting career flourished).
George Noory's family immigrated from Egypt.
It was the Egyptian men who originally determined to sign a peace treaty with Israel before any other Muslim and/or Arab nation would. And for proving his desire for peaceful coexistence, in 1970 Sadat paid with his life, while "The Blind Sheik" assassin is still alive in Butner, NC prison. Sadat's VP Mubarak honored that peace all these years.
Fucking human? Gang rape happens around the world, including the USA. In a mob, regardless of where, mob mentality is what it is. In a war, regardless of where you're from, if you're simply observing, then don't put yourself in defiant jeopardy, in the line of fire, challenging the fighters, expecting fighters to respect your right to film them, expecting fighters to ignore you filming them. It's one thing to observe. Quite another to make a battle that isn't even yours "all about you" because, after all, reporters are so much more important than everyone else, don't you know. No one is an insulated and untouchable island when in the midst of the fray, "crashing the party" making herself an open target for take down in their fight. Learn accurately how to WRITE vividly what you see for the record, for publication.
Where does anyone come off acting surprised that the Muslim Brotherhood won the election in Egypt? The obvious outcome was the plan when arming and training the revolutionaries to "destabilize" the former regime in the so-called Arab Spring. Now it's hand wringing time? pfft. If you really didn't see this coming, your mind was closed. /my opinion, anyway.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 24, 2012 01:35 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Deety is a GenXer at June 24, 2012 04:34 PM (rH+V2)
Cars, fine dining, buyin' sh*t, and pr0n are where it's at. Banging yer head on the flo' 5x a day sux.
Posted by: King Farouk's Ghost at June 24, 2012 07:29 PM (9jVHa)
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