August 22, 2012
— CAC Updated:
I posted this below almost 2 months ago, urging Romney to target the light blue states and make them THE fight. You're welcome:
Romney's monetary advantage over Obama is becoming painfully obvious now.
So what next?
Well, take a page from Obama's playbook.
The Democrats in 2008 had a clear money advantage and a political one (over anger with Bush) and used that to campaign in states we should have never been in the position to defend: North Carolina, Indiana, Nebraska, Montana, North Dakota, Georgia, South Carolina and Florida. We lost three of them, a district in one of them, and dragged McCain across the finish line in much of the rest.
When you have a clear, obvious advantage, be it political or monetary, use the fuck out of it.
Death by a thousand cuts. Republicans wisely competed for a hundred Democratic seats in 2010, won two thirds of them and lost the rest by only a 3 pt average. So why aren't we doing the same thing now?
The Midwest/Rust Belt is rather obvious- few are arguing anymore that Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania aren't in play. We are seeing signs of cracking in New England and the Pacific Northwest as well. Go big, Romney. If you have the millions to spare, use it in ads and on the ground game (a la what the GOP did in Wisconsin defending Walker) in these light-to-moderately blue regions. Republicans are spending money to defend Scott Brown? If we are already advertising and funneling money into GOTV in Massachusetts for him, expand it to the Presidential race as well, and use some "spillover" to help out in New Hampshire. A monetary advantage is wasted if you just target the same tired purple states. Force Obama to spend what limited resources his party has defending him in states he should be counting on, and guess what happens to those "purple" ones?
That's right.
Or, we can just pull from the same old tired playbook of trying to hit 270 without long-term goal of flipping whole regions. That's a surefire winner right there.
Go big, or go home. I don't think the latter is an option for us.
Updated 8/22/2012: You're welcome because this is exactly what he is doing now.
Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, all getting Romney money. Big time. That 2:1 cash advantage Romney will be enjoying a month from now means an aggressive, not conservative, electoral strategy. And that is a winner.
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Posted by: eman at June 26, 2012 06:58 AM (ejmiE)
As someone once said, "When they're on their heels, knock them the f--k OUT!"
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 26, 2012 06:59 AM (X/+QT)
“The word ‘racism’ is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything.”
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 06:59 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 06:59 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Jean at June 26, 2012 07:01 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: sherlock at June 26, 2012 07:01 AM (Xq2WY)
Posted by: Grand Old Party at June 26, 2012 07:01 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Roy at June 26, 2012 07:02 AM (VndSC)
That's right.
Especially if it's true that Obama's fundraising is tanking. If they have to cancel the kickoff event for the Dem convention, I will laugh and laugh and laugh.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:02 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 07:02 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 07:03 AM (8y9MW)
Romney : 48%
Obama : 43%
And some sad news, John Edwards and Rachelle Hunter have split. It's like 9/11 for lovers.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 26, 2012 07:03 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: John McCain at June 26, 2012 07:03 AM (136wp)
Posted by: The Ewok and Allahpundit at June 26, 2012 07:03 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 26, 2012 07:04 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 07:05 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 26, 2012 07:06 AM (136wp)
As others have said, Obama and the Dems have done the previously thought impossible, gotten conservatives eager to vote for Romney.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:06 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: The Ewok and Allahpundit at June 26, 2012 11:03 AM (tqwMN)
And thus passed the opportunity to see if the rugs matched the drapes...
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 26, 2012 11:04 AM (136wp)
I think that after the first microsecond, I would be unable to actually see if the rugs matched the drapes. IFYKWIMAITYD
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 26, 2012 07:06 AM (X/+QT)
I was in OH this weekend. I was amazed at the volume and frequency of Obama campaign ads on the networks. The number of ads was as if the election was being held next week, not 4 months from now. That rate cannot be kept up.
Ironic that the campaigns could be a rehash of Reagan spending the USSR into bankruptcy!
Posted by: @huffpeter at June 26, 2012 07:07 AM (NHNJt)
McCain was on Greta last night and I caught about 30 seconds of it.
Greta: Is Obama mad at Arizona, is it the law, what is it?
McCain: Obama has to energize his base.
WTH?
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at June 26, 2012 07:07 AM (RFeQD)
Ow. Ow. Ow. I think I just sprained something laughing.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:08 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 07:08 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: William Teach at June 26, 2012 07:08 AM (Pq9u/)
You just know it's inciting rage in the little narcissist too. And some day it's going to come pouring out when he's on camera, and then it's a race against the MFM to get it all over YouTube before they can censor it.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 26, 2012 07:09 AM (tqwMN)
huffpeter @ 25
I am in Ohio a lot more than that (I LIVE here), and yes, this is a battleground state and the Obama ads are on ALL THE TIME.
Because....Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
He has his followers, but a lot of people in this state really hate that guy.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at June 26, 2012 07:10 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: And Irresolute at June 26, 2012 07:10 AM (Q492A)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 26, 2012 07:10 AM (+CXC6)
Remember when Democrats advised operatives attending NASCAR events in the South get all their shots before going out among the unwashed cousin-humpers?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301684,00.html
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 07:10 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 26, 2012 07:10 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 07:10 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Desperate obamaites everywhere at June 26, 2012 07:11 AM (RD7QR)
I'm in NC. The odds of a boot going through my tv due to all the Obama commercials are very very high. And I love my tv.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:12 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at June 26, 2012 07:12 AM (fYOZx)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 26, 2012 07:12 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: And Irresolute at June 26, 2012 07:12 AM (Q492A)
Posted by: mpfs at June 26, 2012 07:13 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 11:06 AM (Gk3SS)
Holy shit. Maybe he really is a lightworker!
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at June 26, 2012 07:14 AM (fYOZx)
Google has created an 'artificial brain' from 16,000 computer processors, and sat it down with an internet connection.
There's a certain grim inevitability to the fact that the YouTube company's creation began watching stills from cat videos.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6w77m7d (Daily Mail link)
Resistance is futile.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 26, 2012 07:15 AM (ccXZP)
Besides, there's lots of room at the 7-11 for a convention. There in the back, next to the Slurpee machine.
-Dan Murrey
Posted by: pep at June 26, 2012 07:15 AM (YXmuI)
More mocking, heckling, derision, taunting, and bus horn honking against the SCFOAMT please.
It's the simple things in life that make me happiest.
Posted by: Jaws at June 26, 2012 07:16 AM (4I3Uo)
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At the Holiday Inn. The Bathroom off the lobby. First stall to the right.
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 07:16 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Fritz at June 26, 2012 07:17 AM (/ZZCn)
We are much less non-enthusiastic about the GOP candidate than the Dems are non-enthusiastic about theirs.
I guess it's really a non-enthusiasm gap.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 07:18 AM (+XVQe)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 07:18 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: SCOTUS at June 26, 2012 07:20 AM (msPO3)
And keep up the bus honking at Obama thing. That's really good for my morale.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 26, 2012 11:02 AM (/kI1Q)
Provoke him, to know his patterns of movement.
Posted by: Sun Tzu at June 26, 2012 07:20 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: Jean at June 26, 2012 07:20 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Greg at June 26, 2012 07:20 AM (j+Xk7)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 26, 2012 07:22 AM (C8mVl)
As per usual, I'm sure Romney will counter the dumbocrats compaint about him getting more money than SCoaMF in a condensed, one sentence statement which will devastate their argument.
He's formidable, and can knock them into stumbling in one sentence.
Posted by: Hal at June 26, 2012 07:22 AM (iYvMQ)
And, as we all know, Walker lost.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:23 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Bud Norton at June 26, 2012 07:23 AM (6cOMd)
Posted by: Cricket at June 26, 2012 07:23 AM (DrC22)
The Romney campaign might want to produce a series of programs. Honestly explaining how we got here and where we are going. Sort of like the Syms angle "an educated consumer is your best customer"....not dry, with humor and honesty. The one complaint I hear about romney is that he is robotic and has no emotion. Now, I'm sure he's perfected being unreadable cause his business demanded it, sort of like poker players, but, people don't understand that and want to see the personality. Sort of a romney "grow trust" operation.
I could so see Mrs. Romney in a talk show setting talking about local farmers or small companies doing great things. Talking about her horses and asking everyone to root for them. In so doing, her attitude and love of God and country which is part of her makeup will come through.
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 07:23 AM (oZfic)
Remember, half of our problem is the brain-dead Republican establishment. Palin endorsed that ancient hack Hatch, fer cryin' out loud. And God knows Mittens needs adult supervision.
Liberty. It's what's for dinner (and breakfast, and lunch).
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 07:24 AM (+XVQe)
Posted by: Hal at June 26, 2012 07:24 AM (iYvMQ)
Go For Broke!*
If you don't then we will truly be broke.
*Motto of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2012 07:25 AM (jiPkH)
Posted by: Greg at June 26, 2012 07:25 AM (fYOZx)
Posted by: Eleanor's Clit at June 26, 2012 07:25 AM (msPO3)
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 11:23 AM (oZfic)
___
Has the ravel rousing started? I do hope I'm not late for it.
Posted by: kallisto at June 26, 2012 07:26 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 26, 2012 07:26 AM (SB0V2)
I live in the King/Vilsack district, north of the Latham/Boswell district (I work in that one). I think we have a chance at both, based on attitudes and opinions of the residents.
Posted by: Jay in Ames at June 26, 2012 07:26 AM (UEEex)
I have a gripe.
I dont like the word "optics".... its an overused and stupid term... but....
WTF is Boehner thinking scheduling the contempt vote on the same day as the health care decision???
Optically speaking...... wont those two story lines kinda step on one another??
Posted by: fixerupper at June 26, 2012 07:26 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 07:27 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 07:27 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 26, 2012 07:27 AM (yAor6)
Still working on self-awareness, huh?
Keep trying, little camper!
Posted by: Slublog at June 26, 2012 07:28 AM (0nqdj)
Posted by: Ken Royall at June 26, 2012 07:28 AM (9zzk+)
http://is.gd/p4v6PS
Also good for my morale.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 07:28 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: kallisto at June 26, 2012 11:26 AM (jm/9g)
Not yet, but weÂ’re just about to get started.
Posted by: jwest at June 26, 2012 07:29 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: Hal at June 26, 2012 07:29 AM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 07:29 AM (UZQM8)
I'm pretty sure the contempt vote was already scheduled for Thursday. Hell, let's not forget that it's no guaranteed that the OCare decision will come down on Thursday. It is traditional for all opinions to be announced by end of June but not required.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:29 AM (Gk3SS)
No. If Obama had "learned his lesson" in 2010, he'd be Clinton v Dole at the moment (or, at least, closer to that). All-in-all, I'm glad he's so stubborn, though.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 07:29 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CAC at June 26, 2012 07:30 AM (b8Ql8)
Posted by: Conan B., Romney Campaign Strategist at June 26, 2012 07:30 AM (5Rurq)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 26, 2012 07:30 AM (C8mVl)
But electing Romney without a conservative Congress will be like (apologies to P.J. O'Rourke) giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. Wheeee!
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 07:30 AM (+XVQe)
Posted by: Fritz at June 26, 2012 07:31 AM (/ZZCn)
Yeah every time he pulls that I get a one hour buff to wittiness and persuasion.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 07:31 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Jean at June 26, 2012 07:31 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 26, 2012 07:31 AM (yAor6)
As opposed to PPP who was off by 50% the wrong way saying that Obama is in the lead?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 07:31 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 11:27 AM (UZQM
romney is being very smart. He isn't giving all his ideas out. This is driving the dems crazy and also the rino republicans. So BO's modus operandi, to take your idea as soon as you say it and rubber stamp it, can't be deployed. Romeny has to engender trust from regular people and get across that he's not giving his ideas out until he can implement them quickly. Not in an "i dont' want to help the country way" but in a "the ideas I've developed after long hours and careful study and discussion with the best and the brightest need to be carefully implemented and I don't want to put them out cause the other "throw it against the wall and see if it sticks" crowd will then botch things up way.
The fact that every popular republican is "being considered for VP" is brilliant. It allows them all to talk about their pet ideas and to talk up romney and to keep everyone guessing...he's not going to release it until the convention, he's having too much fun this way and so are the potential VP candidates.
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 07:32 AM (oZfic)
Money will not win it for Romney either. What will win it for Romney is desire to get Obama out of office despite not being in lover with Romney.
Money helps, but it is not the end all.
Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 07:32 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 26, 2012 07:32 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: bigred at June 26, 2012 07:34 AM (mIcI8)
The court pretty much said that all the rest of the remaining decisions would be announced Thursday.
Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY)
Money will not win it for Romney either. What will win it for Romney is desire to get Obama out of office despite not being in lover with Romney.
Money helps, but it is not the end all.
Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 11:32 AM (YdQQY)
I actually think that romney should run a campaign not relying on money and spending. He should treat his campaign like a corporation with shareholders who think nothing of complaining. Would be fascinating if he could say "I raised three million dollars and used only one million and got the three million dollar job done anyway".....Sort of in an "actions speak louder than words".
How are you? Not a day goes by when you aren't included in my rosaries and at mass. Your wife too.
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 07:36 AM (oZfic)
The only way it wouldn't come out Thursday is if it came out on Friday- which is highly unlikely.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 07:36 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:37 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Bud Norton at June 26, 2012 11:23 AM (6cOMd)
I don't know what part of Ahia you're from but in the Cleveland area there are tons of Romney ads; too many of them maybe.
Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at June 26, 2012 07:37 AM (EiwOi)
Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are the most notable. The dems never thought they would would need to spend money defending these states in 2012. And if they're spending cash on their own turf, they're not spending money on crucial battleground states.
Remember, a few month ago everyone pretty much agreed that the only way Romney was going to win was by winning every single key swing state: Florida, Ohio, Virgina, and North Carolina. (I think Virginia would be the toughest for him due to a higher black demographic in the state). But now? Thanks to the crumbling of the blue wall, he can afford to lose one or two of these states if he wins others like Wisconsin (likely) or Michigan (tougher but not insurmountable).
What Romney really needs to do is initiate a MASSIVE spending campaign in the blue wall states. He has the money to do it and at this early stage, he has very little to lose - and a whole lot to gain.
Posted by: JC at June 26, 2012 07:37 AM (KDDG+)
I don't think anyone here doubted you. Of course that's how he's going to run- it's all he's got. And by "all he's got," of course, I mean "so he's got less than nothing."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 07:38 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 26, 2012 07:39 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 07:39 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Hal at June 26, 2012 07:39 AM (iYvMQ)
No, Vic--what won NC and Indiana among others for you know who in '08 was the perfect storm.
I find it hilarious that the Dems can't seem to grasp that the weather has changed. Hell, they won't even walk outside. Other than to feed Sarah Jessica Parker, I mean.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 26, 2012 07:39 AM (B+qrE)
Read the whole thing, and see how Obama has unified the left and the right... in utter contempt for him.
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There is an undercurrent of displeasure with him in these parts. The groundswell seems to be as much against him now as was for him in 2008. The other day a friend who voted for him just blurted out, HE'S A JOKE!, when the dream act EO was announced. I hear so many similar stories from those in personal network. Big time dissatisfaction in SE PA.
Posted by: kallisto at June 26, 2012 07:39 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 26, 2012 07:40 AM (Ehv6U)
Romney, as has been his style forever, needs to be steady confident and upbeat. The happier candidate almost always wins.
Tap a veep that won't move the dial too much north or south, and I think the Bush states coupled with a WI or PA is in play.
Posted by: aerofanatic at June 26, 2012 07:40 AM (h8FS0)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 26, 2012 07:42 AM (54vf8)
You can see this model developing in a lot of formerly guaranteed blue States like WI which have turned purple and maybe even red in the next election. The States that were borderline in 2008 will be alrge wins for Republicans.
This election could turn into a Carteresque rout. It is Romney's to lose now.
Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 07:42 AM (YdQQY)
With CAC it's always BIG. BIG maps, BIG campaigns and so on.
Compensating? Maybe that's why he was attracted to the elephant in the first place.
I keed, I keed!
Posted by: Meremortal at June 26, 2012 07:42 AM (Usk3+)
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 07:43 AM (QupBk)
We can toss in all these other factors, but, when you have those two, they were just icing on the cake.
Posted by: AD at June 26, 2012 07:43 AM (uUsyW)
We're already seeing Romney and GOP super-PAC ads on Philly TV, in pretty heavy rotation. They are going for it here.
Dems seem content to trade away the blue-collar and white-collar white vote for the Latino/gay vote this year. We'll see if it works.
Posted by: rockmom at June 26, 2012 07:43 AM (NYnoe)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 26, 2012 07:44 AM (54vf8)
In theaters soon.
Posted by: Joe Mama at June 26, 2012 07:44 AM (TLHj1)
Add an on-camera meltdown prior to election day
I will be unsurprised, and am desperately hoping, that Obama will lose his shit during the first (and only) debate with Romney. He has no practice, at all, with being subjected to any type of challenge, let alone challenges face to face.
In random news, I was thinking the other day that I really like the paint scheme on the Romney bus. I'm watching Wimbledon and suddenly realized why, that's because it's very similar to the Federer RF symbol.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:44 AM (Gk3SS)
So far, the evidence points to "no." http://tinyurl.com/89brcm5
Posted by: Slublog at June 26, 2012 07:45 AM (0nqdj)
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 07:46 AM (QupBk)
So is Ravel a group of Morons?
Like a murder of crows, an ostentation of peacocks, a parliament of owls, a knot of frogs, and a skulk of foxes.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 26, 2012 07:46 AM (tf9Ne)
Then a second one explaining capitalism.
They literally could have a whole series.
Print it on recycled paper and make the cover out of some sustainable material.
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 07:47 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 07:47 AM (QupBk)
They are demoralized as hell ...
Ride right thru they ....
Swing around and ride thru them again ...
Then run down the escaping stragglers ...
Posted by: JeffC at June 26, 2012 07:47 AM (A3tpD)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at June 26, 2012 07:48 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 26, 2012 07:48 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 07:49 AM (QupBk)
Print it on recycled paper and make the cover out of some sustainable material.
Like paper, maybe. Because trees don't grow on trees. Or something.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 26, 2012 07:49 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 07:49 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 07:49 AM (QupBk)
Jan Brewer signed SB1070 in mid-2010. She proceeded to win re-election that fall by 12 points. Does it not occur to the Dems that what they're doing might p-ssing most people in the state off?
Posted by: AD at June 26, 2012 07:50 AM (uUsyW)
At this point, he can choose a turnip.
Don't even suggest such a thing. I will not accept Mike Huckabee as VP.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 26, 2012 07:50 AM (B+qrE)
*present company excepted
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 11:49 AM (QupBk)"
Sorry, Mark Levin has already taken that descriptive. You'll have to come up with another descriptive....
Posted by: NY slimes at June 26, 2012 07:51 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 11:44 AM (Gk3SS)
I think it's hilarious that they have Reporting for Doody as the Romney role in mock debates. Having an arrogantly unlikeable shitbag as a stand-in will do nothing positive to prepare him; especially after only facing that senile fuckhead McCain in 2008 in which both of them came off as unqualified ignorant turds.
Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at June 26, 2012 07:51 AM (EiwOi)
Why would they care? In their minds, people are livestock, and farmers always know more than cows...
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 07:52 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: rockmom at June 26, 2012 07:53 AM (qE3AR)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 26, 2012 07:55 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at June 26, 2012 07:59 AM (EiwOi)
CAC and his minions are "punching above their weight"....
Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 26, 2012 07:59 AM (Jls4P)
GOP has missed one of the biggest issues they can bring up... that of basic Competence.
Bring up historic data showing WHEN Democrat administrations, and Legislatures took over, then show the historic trends...
California is a perfect example... GREAT State... right up until the Dems got a stranglehold on the Legislature... and its been downhill ever since. Not because of Poor ideas (which is a large part), but because they do not know how to balance their Ideas, with Reality.... They cannot EXECUTE effectvly.
So... use their OWN records against them... point out things like the Highest Crime cities, have the most strict gun laws.... point out the Green Enviro Stuff Kills Economies... point out how hard it is to Start a Business under their Administrations...
And use the HISTORIC records from all across the country... saying isn't it time to vote for things that WORK?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 26, 2012 08:00 AM (lZBBB)
He checks all the boxes, and won't seek a run in 2016 should Romney win and win re-election. Frees up our impressive bench of running against a VP.
Just a thought.
Posted by: aerofanatic at June 26, 2012 08:00 AM (h8FS0)
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 08:02 AM (QupBk)
They specifically likened it to the Reagan strategy in dealing with the USSR - Bankrupt them.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 26, 2012 08:03 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 26, 2012 08:04 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 08:05 AM (QupBk)
Bruce Campbell starring in "The Mitt Romney Story"
We begin our tale as Mitt, head of Bain Capital, discusses his first buy-out and re-structuring, for a retail outlet call "S-Mart":
"Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?"
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at June 26, 2012 08:05 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: aerofanatic at June 26, 2012 12:00 PM (h8FS0)
Interesting choice.... would really help in the West.
Western States are pretty secular... but will give Romneys Mormonism a pass as long as he does not choose a Preacher (Huckster)....
And at this point, choosing Rubio would be seen as Pandering to the Hispanic vote, which while gaining a few Hispanics, would piss off many of the Pro-Law no Amnesty crowd in the base...
Romney is seen by many out here to be an East Coast Politician (even though not really accurate) so a Western guy could help out here...
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 26, 2012 08:10 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 26, 2012 08:11 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at June 26, 2012 12:05 PM (RFeQD)
I'm sorry... but Romney is NO Ashe....
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 26, 2012 08:12 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: model_1066 at June 26, 2012 08:14 AM (YbQJm)
Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 08:16 AM (Xb3hu)
Buh-Rock O-bah-muhh has a really BIG stick, I promise you.
Posted by: Joe Biden, Who Makes Comparisons When Standing At The Urinals at June 26, 2012 08:18 AM (m+yc7)
Here is Kyl on the issues. He could really compliment Romney well. Adds "gravitas" to the ticket much like Cheney did, and he's a bedrock solid conservative.
Plus, being from Arizona he is well equipped to help Romney thread the needle on immigration. Plus, he would play well in the midwest/rust belt.
Would be a solid pick by Romney indeed.
Posted by: aerofanatic at June 26, 2012 08:18 AM (h8FS0)
So, y'all know how cool Mitt would look with a chainsaw on the end of his arm?
I think he should do it.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2012 08:18 AM (Qxdfp)
Each candidate is acceptable to the conservative base. (Pawlenty might be a little squishy, but meh?). Pawlenty is definately the safest pick, and I think Romney should select him if victory is seeming likely as November draws. Jindal would excite the base and still have that appeal to independents, although not as much as pawlenty. Still, Jindal's a pretty safe pick as well. And he'll probably siphon demographic votes from Obama (although I doubt it would be much). Rubio should be the perfect candidate. The guy has EVERYTHING going for him (and I have no doubt he will run for president one day). The only thing dogging him is lack of seniority (which is offset by Romney's executive experience). I think Rubio should only be selected if the race is still extremely close - where Romney might need a game changer. Rubio would excite the base like crazy, draw in huge fundraising, and STILL get a nod from independents. Not to mention he would take a significant portion of the latino vote. Obama would still win it, but not nearly at a percentage that would assure re-election.
I would personally like to see Jindal, but I'm okay with Palenty. Rubio is still YOUNG. We all like him, but let's not risk ruin his career because of a potential loss in November. This guy will be president one day.
Posted by: JC at June 26, 2012 08:19 AM (KDDG+)
Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 08:33 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: NukemHill at June 26, 2012 08:35 AM (7WLzC)
Romney has two things to consider in selection of a VP
No make that THREE things, yes three things to consider.
1) Does he want to groom a successor (in which case Kyl is out because he is too old) ?
2) Does he want to play the regional game, balance the ticket with a Southern, or Western VP candidate?
3) What selection will do the most to energize the base and help turnout next November?
Using these criteria which I just dreamed up a few seconds ago, this pretty much eliminates Pawlenty , because gosh darn it, that guy is pretty boring.
Jindal is pretty smart, and would help to balance the ticket geographically. He would help to bring in the important voting block of Brahmin Indian immigrants which helps the ticket....how?
Rubio is a cute kid and the folks at Fox sure seem to like him a whole lot. He has a nice story, and he brings that Cubanski vibe with him.
Jon Kyl is a pretty smart guy and is retiring form the Senate. He complements Romney in a lot of ways, but also may seem to be a little too much like Romney. Not a "successor" candidate.
Rob Portman is tall. He also has a little of the Pawlenty boring vibe going on, plus he was part of the hated Bush regime, and the media and democrats (but I repeat myself) will tie that can to Romney's honking bus. Rob is my Senator and a good guy, but......no.
Which leaves us with the Fat Man from New Jersey. This would probably Tick off a lot of the country, but it has a high entertainment factor going for it. The ticket would definitely have a Laurel and Hardy vibe going for it.
I hear Christine O'Donnell is also available.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at June 26, 2012 08:48 AM (RFeQD)
135 Like a murder of crows, an ostentation of peacocks, a parliament of owls, a knot of frogs, and a skulk of foxes.
A scum of politicians Who pass a 'shitload' of laws
Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at June 26, 2012 08:53 AM (+7Usq)
Also - I read that this is Mitts strategy. He even said he was going to go Reagan on Obama. To those that say Mitt does not generate enthusiasm - speak for yourself.
Posted by: Evan Maughan at June 26, 2012 08:55 AM (yPnvc)
I inadvertantly caught a few minutes of Madcow yesterday, and it was hilarious to see her animated righteous indignation at what she considered a lopsided advantage for Romney. even threw in the hatred for "huge corporations and the super-rich" (I guess she's never heard of Gates, Buffett, and Soros, or the liberals who run Goldman Sachs). Wow.
But less us enjoy the delicious justice in that Obama is running his campaign in a similar manner to how he is running the country. He has a huge, ineffective bureaucracy, and is spending more than he is taking in. The huge corporations have finally figured out that he's a crazy radical who will stab them in the back, and they see Romney as more like "one of them".
Posted by: Optimizer at June 26, 2012 08:56 AM (As94z)
Posted by: John H at June 26, 2012 09:02 AM (G0Q4Y)
It's as if he doesn't like omlettes (his job) but he sure does like breaking eggs.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 26, 2012 09:02 AM (X/+QT)
Romney needs to keep the pressure on... keep getting the message out at every possible opportunity and in those states that are "on the fence" for him. His VP pick hopefully swings a few more votes/states in his favor... I like Rubio, but like many have said, he's a rising star. I'm partial to Condi... Jindal is another good choice (but, like Rubio, a rising star)... it needs to be someone that can be an asset to the ticket.
Romney - "Ready for all, yielding to none"*
Motto of the 2nd Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment (my old unit)
Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 26, 2012 09:02 AM (Jls4P)
Posted by: Semper Gumby at June 26, 2012 09:04 AM (4LpXf)
@164 - Gotta love it.
@180
Rubio is an obvious choice, but the thing that bothers me about him is that he has too many things in common with Obama (everything except the marxist crap).
As far as Pawlenty goes, I recognize the "boring" angle, but point out that 41 was the same way (and Romney might turn things around they way Reagan did). Pawlenty meaningful executive experience, as a governor, and doesn't have any especially unpopular stands that I can think of.
Posted by: Optimizer at June 26, 2012 09:07 AM (As94z)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 26, 2012 11:40 AM (Ehv6U)
Keep posting, "Mary," you never fail to elicit a snort from me!
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 09:19 AM (+XVQe)
Then a second one explaining capitalism.
They literally could have a whole series.
Now this is a really good idea...
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 09:20 AM (+XVQe)
Posted by: John H at June 26, 2012 01:02 PM (G0Q4Y)
But Rule of Law IS an economic issue. Part of what is killing business is no one can make risk reward calculations because we don't know what the rules are, or if they will be enforced.
Heck, its June and we have NO idea what the Taxs levels will be in SEVEN MONTHS? We don't know what Health care costs are going to do... we don't know what new rules the EPA is going to force on us...
Romney could run on this... Yes, you can have Hope and Change, and have no idea what that will do to your business.... or you can have STABILITY... which means you can plan....
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 26, 2012 09:22 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 26, 2012 11:46 AM (tf9Ne)
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"ravel rousing" is what oZfic accused some moron of. As in: "you're just a ravel rousing conservative", or words to that effect. It was a couple weeks ago, can't recall which thread. Just another of her delightfully inappropriate, artfully discombobulated malapropisms.
So a Ravel of Morons does fit, I think - since we are so easily aroused.
Posted by: kallisto at June 26, 2012 09:25 AM (jm/9g)
No, I'm speaking for 70% of the Republican party, who voted against Mitt in the primaries.
Mitt is about as inspiring as a used piece of toilet paper. If we're not careful we will get a third term of W.
Speaking of third terms, people thought they were getting a third term of Reagan when they voted for Daddy Bush--instead they got another RINO.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 09:25 AM (+XVQe)
Posted by: teej at June 26, 2012 09:29 AM (ZhNCB)
I posted a chart a few days ago from Heritage that graphed total new regulations per year for the past 20 years. "Ironically" the level was only a slight increase every year until 2009 when they took off at an exponential rate.
I think that has to do more with the sorry state of the economy now than anything else. Businesses can not hire and expand when they can not form a business model due to uncertainty.
When Obama and the Commie Senate is shown the door the economy will start a slow recovery.
Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 09:29 AM (YdQQY)
Wow. Getting ready for lawfare. Untold mischief could ensue from this.
Guess the Obama campaign is taking cues from Brett Kimberlin.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 09:30 AM (+XVQe)
"I don't know what part of Ahia you're from but in the Cleveland area there are tons of Romney ads; too many of them maybe."
My part of Ahia: Dayton/ Cincinnatuh.
Posted by: Bud Norton at June 26, 2012 09:31 AM (6cOMd)
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"ravel rousing" is what oZfic accused some moron of. As in: "you're just a ravel rousing conservative", or words to that effect. It was a couple weeks ago, can't recall which thread. Just another of her delightfully inappropriate, artfully discombobulated malapropisms.
So a Ravel of Morons does fit, I think - since we are so easily aroused.
Posted by: kallisto at June 26, 2012 01:25 PM (jm/9g)
Did you know that our "frame of reference" colors our view of things. If you want to believe something you failed to understand is something insulting then you will believe it and forward that meme. Even in the face of you being wrong.
It wasn't a "deliciously inappropriate artfully discombobulated malapropism"
but you sound like o'really so let me say this .....don't you feel like a fool when you go into town, everyone is whispering about you?
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 09:31 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: MTF at June 26, 2012 09:32 AM (B5y+v)
"Obama prepping thousands of lawyers for election"
Wow. Getting ready for lawfare. Untold mischief could ensue from this.
Guess the Obama campaign is taking cues from Brett Kimberlin.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 01:30 PM (+XVQe)"
This has been known for quite a while but I couldn't find a link to a MSM site so I didn't bother reporting it.
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 09:33 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 01:31 PM (oZfic)
___
Your words, loser. The commenters had a great time riffing on your idiocy.
Have you listened to Rush Lindbaugh lately? How about Pope Benedict, has he retired yet? According to your inside info, he was supposed to step down in April.
Oh and the other day you offered the brilliant observation that a cable TV reporterette changed her hair color because you made a comment on this blog that it was the wrong shade of blond for her skin tone.
It's all here, captured for posterity. Anybody who feels the need to do so can search the Accumulated Wit and Wisdom of Tidy Cat aka Cat Piss on this here forum.
'k?
Posted by: kallisto at June 26, 2012 09:43 AM (jm/9g)
There are things on this site I should look up before I forward them to AttackWatch and Fight The Smears, but I am afraid to. Correct-thinking people should not know what a Cleveland Steamer is, or what those two exploited girls did with that one cup. Truly, the Ewok who runs this site should be imprisoned.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 26, 2012 09:49 AM (Ehv6U)
Posted by: Nyarlothotep at June 26, 2012 09:58 AM (XvHmy)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 26, 2012 10:01 AM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Sherlock at June 26, 2012 10:18 AM (Gf0bw)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at June 26, 2012 10:20 AM (f8XyF)
Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 10:29 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: troyriser at June 26, 2012 10:33 AM (YCeSE)
Posted by: JEA at June 26, 2012 10:42 AM (hxLER)
That said, there are changing demographics in this country. Nevada and Colorado are slipping away into the Democrats' column due to Hispanics, while the Rust Belt and their working class white voters seem to be turning against Obama. So it's not like a conservative strategy involves just dumping a ton of money in Ohio and Florida and calling it a day.
I'll say this for Romney: while he's not a staunch conservative and he's boring, I do think he's very competent and pragmatic and I see his campaign being very well run. They'll do what gives them the best shot to win with the candidate they've got.
Posted by: Luke at June 26, 2012 10:50 AM (lpe0L)
Posted by: assassin at June 27, 2012 04:12 AM (6uxlE)
So who would like some good news about the odds of us taking the Senate? Warning #math ahead.
I took CAC numbers from last night and dug up my old statistics book to figure out what the real odds of winning at least a net 4 seats are.
With 32 seats up for grabs, there are currently 23 of them held by Dems and 9 held by the GOP. Assuming that the "safe" seats are truly safe, meaning 0% chance of the expected winning party losing that seat, we have 2 vulnerable seats, while the Dems have 11. We currently hold 47 seats in the Senate. We need to win at least 3 seats for a tie and 4 seats for an outright majority.
Using CAC's odds of winning each seat (including Missouri, which is still possible for us to win, despite this idiot), we have the following odds (notice that I am taking Nebraska off the table, and putting that in with our certain to win pile).
Wisconsin - 99%
Montana - 90%
Massachusetts - 90%
North Dakota - 75%
Virginia - 60%
Florida - 50%
Ohio - 35%
New Mexico - 35%
Missouri - 10%
Michigan - 10%
Maine - 10%
Hawaii - 10%
Connecticut - 10%
That is 13 races that are at least somewhat competitive. We hold only 2 of these seats, and we already picked up 1 seat from Nebraska, so we need to win 4 of these races to guarantee at least a tie in the Senate. Note that if we win MA or ME then we need only 2 other wins to tie the Senate, the 4 used above is to account for the possibility of losing both. It makes the math a little easier.
Going back to the odds given by CAC, we have an average probability of winning each of these seats of 44.9%
So what are the odds of winning at least 4 of the seats? To get that, we use multiple copies of the following binomial formula:
Probability = #choices * (Prob of success ^ number of successes) * ((1 - Prob of success) ^ (total races - number of successes))
#choices = (total races)! / (number of successes)! * (total races - number of successes)!
We then calculate the odds of each possible outcome of number of wins. What are the odds we win 0 races (.04%), 1 race (.45%), and so on, until we get to the odds of winning all 13 (3.03 E-05). The total of all 14 possibilities adds up to 1 (100%).
Having done that, then the odds of winning at least 4 races is the total of all probabilities above the threshold of 4. So the odds of winning 4, plus odds of winning 5, etc.
The probability of winning 4 or more races of the 13 contested, given the above CAC odds?
90.61%
The probability of winning 3 or more races (gives us a feel of our chances if we hold MA)?
97.28%
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 22, 2012 07:11 AM (Suq+u)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 22, 2012 07:11 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Greg at June 26, 2012 11:20 AM (j+Xk7)
You're the last person in the world who should be LOLing at polls.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 22, 2012 07:12 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: CAC at August 22, 2012 07:13 AM (mYTL7)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at August 22, 2012 07:13 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 22, 2012 07:14 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 22, 2012 07:15 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 22, 2012 07:16 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 22, 2012 07:16 AM (tf9Ne)
A lot of the unchallenged blue probably have 10 % of Obama's lead being very soft and quite capable of being knocked off or switched with just a little money spent. Zero spending won't do it. Pulling some of these to within single digits would create a whole new meme and it would give some support to those down ticket.
In other words, I agree with Ace.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 22, 2012 07:17 AM (D9CxV)
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A lot of the unchallenged blue probably have 10 % of Obama's lead being very soft and quite capable of being knocked off or switched with just a little money spent. Zero spending won't do it. Pulling some of these to within single digits would create a whole new meme and it would give some support to those down ticket.
In other words, I agree with Ace.
I mean CAC. Ace too probably.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 22, 2012 07:18 AM (D9CxV)
Like this one (which I know was just bitter sarcasm, but still)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 22, 2012 07:18 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at August 22, 2012 07:19 AM (MrM2k)
I stand fully behind my earlier "jiggle of Uptons" comment.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 22, 2012 07:20 AM (xr29d)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at August 22, 2012 07:21 AM (MrM2k)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at August 22, 2012 07:23 AM (MrM2k)
For example, if you add 10% to the 5 middle races then look at the odds of picking 6 or more seats, it is 67%
I have it in an Excel sheet right now.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 22, 2012 07:25 AM (Suq+u)
It is nice to have the constant of the comfort of immutable objects isn't it?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 22, 2012 07:25 AM (wrS2o)
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 22, 2012 07:25 AM (1EUmb)
Paul Ryan held a rally in West Chester, PA yesterday, on his way to a Union League fundraiser (Philadelphia). That's where the big money men gather.A local radio guy interviewed him, Ryan expresed confidence that RR12 would win PA. It wasn't even that false bravado baloney either.
A lot of people showed up on very short notice in the brutal heat. He received a warm welcome except for some coordinated heckling which was drowned out when a USA! chant erupted. Ryan is impressive in those situations: he doesn't skip a beat. While the heckler yells on, he continues with his presentation, staying on message all the while.
Posted by: kallisto at August 22, 2012 07:25 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 22, 2012 07:28 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 26, 2012 11:47 AM (B+qrE)
Depending on the the thread, it can also be:
A Fap of Morons
A Pron of Morons
A Boobeh of Morons
Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 22, 2012 07:29 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Call Me Willard at August 22, 2012 07:30 AM (FcR7P)
>Ryan expresed confidence that RR12 would win PA
I would give my sinister gonad to see PA go red- and the faces of the MFM lackeys who would know at that point it was over.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at August 22, 2012 07:34 AM (SCcgT)
I tweeted yesterday to the campaign something that I think would be killer: start reimbursing some of these cities that are getting stiffed by the Obama campaign. So far I've seen two stories about different cities that the DNC and Obama are refusing to pay for extra police and other expenses caused by his fund-raising.
If Romney starts paying these cities back, it will be great PR. It might also force Obama to pay his own bills.
Which means Romney's monetary advantage would expand further.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 22, 2012 07:43 AM (yxz7s)
Posted by: Chairman :LMAO at August 22, 2012 07:54 AM (9eDbm)
Posted by: Gran at August 22, 2012 07:58 AM (mw0FO)
Mitt has a real shot here because true or not his dad is remembered as one of the best governors ever. The GM bailout is not loved by all, even in Michigan. There are lots of people who see the unions as a fucking albatross. Even the union guys know Obama is not one of them, they are hunters and gun owners.
Posted by: Ken Royall at August 22, 2012 07:59 AM (x0g8a)
Posted by: Mindy at August 22, 2012 08:04 AM (UxGCM)
They moved it because the city would not provide FREE bus rides for the delegates 20 miles from downtown AND not in the same county. It's not like they didn't want to do it, it would have been illegal.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at August 22, 2012 08:06 AM (3ZjAP)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at August 22, 2012 08:12 AM (zpqa2)
--
Same here.
Posted by: Mayday at August 22, 2012 08:56 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: toby928© at August 22, 2012 09:00 AM (QupBk)
Anything that paints Obama as a cheap shit willing to screw over little guys to save a few bucks is a good thing.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 22, 2012 09:05 AM (WnzOT)
Posted by: ConservLady at August 22, 2012 09:11 AM (olczy)
Then I noticed the posts were from June. I had forgotten I was reading a bumped post.
Man, I need more coffee...
Posted by: Mr_Write at August 22, 2012 09:33 AM (VJUQK)
A good point was made which I should like to mention:
Efforts to turn blue states purple help purple states turn red.
Posted by: MikeD at August 22, 2012 11:34 AM (p8QOg)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 22, 2012 11:59 AM (f8XyF)
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