March 11, 2012
— CAC Los Angeles is the winner in the massive Rock Paper Scissors game amongst the nations largest cities, with it's newest rock star finally arriving amongst throngs of worshipers Saturday:
SMOD is here to dangle over your heads in a seismic zone
Levitated Mass should open at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art in April/May, per my sources. As an art lover and a conservative growing increasingly pessimistic about November, I cannot wait to walk under the 340 ton boulder.
When visiting LACMA, I am thankful for the Sunday "suggested donations" special. It makes me less irritated when visiting the Broad Contemporary. I love Richard Serra's work on level one. But the inclusion of the world's richest taxidermist? Damien Hirst irks me. His spot paintings take my ire to a totally different level:
Asshole never connects four.
So I was delighted to read Daniel Maidman's recent attempt to answer art critic Jerry Saltz's call for anyone who was game to make him a Hirst Spot. Maidman goes more into theory than I could ever hope to do (the difference between pretending to know what you are talking about and...actually knowing), and spots the fundamental flaw in Hirst's latest exercise in showing meaning is no object:
But look - is anybody going to look at a spot painting because of its aching humanity? Not unless they're autistic or schizophrenic. So when you balance one consideration - the humanity - against the other - the striking information-theoretic formalism - which facet of the spot paintings is more interesting? I think it's the formalism. And I think the flaw in the spot paintings is that Mr. Hirst, as evidenced in the episode with the five yellow spots, himself brings a residual humanity to his project which interferes with the most interesting part of its nature.
If you are desperate to add more bookmarks, Maidman's blog makes for a great read.
A year ago when I started doing the Art Thread, a moron brought up architecture. After re-watching Shock of The New again, why not?
Many repeatedly rant on the "awfulness" of modern art, yet few rant on the far more awful attempts by modern architects to take similar concepts and a desire for "a utopia made real" and...fail:
Start at the 2:03 mark, and let Robert Hughes guide you through the end result of planned utopian architectural fluff.
Submit your own artwork (JPEGs please, with title, dimensions, medium, year) to theoneandonlyfinn (at) gmail.com for mention on a future Art Thread.
Posted by: CAC at
12:01 PM
| Comments (182)
Post contains 425 words, total size 3 kb.
Posted by: Minuteman at March 11, 2012 12:03 PM (acEq7)
I don't have the link to hand but there was a really interesting article recently about how architects as a whole actually do perceive the world differently than other people which may feed into buildings that may look amazing but are uninhabitable.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 11, 2012 12:04 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Minuteman spells it out for those who don't get it at March 11, 2012 12:05 PM (acEq7)
Well it's official now. ....Los Angeles has returned to the Stone Age.
Soon they will be outlawing all vehicles that are not powered by foot pedals, or simply running underneath the car in true Flintstones fashion.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 12:05 PM (dauG/)
Posted by: ontherocks at March 11, 2012 12:08 PM (ZJCDy)
Posted by: Obama 2012 reelect email at March 11, 2012 12:11 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 11, 2012 12:12 PM (NVu2l)
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 12:12 PM (dauG/)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 12:15 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Queen of France, formerly Che Boy at March 11, 2012 12:17 PM (joSBv)
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 12:17 PM (dauG/)
I liked Artie Johnson, too. Especially when he played the Nazi on Laugh-In.
Veeeerrry Interesting.
Posted by: Mitt Romney, Who Likes to Fire People at March 11, 2012 12:19 PM (7+pP9)
the striking information-theoretic formalism
Really???? This is like a First World Problem-ism.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 12:22 PM (SsG4J)
That is just a super-sized naked twister mat someone hung up to dry after hosing it off.
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 11, 2012 12:23 PM (NVu2l)
Posted by: Fritz at March 11, 2012 12:24 PM (FDEjy)
It will come as no surprise to any of y'all that this redneck doesn't understand modern art.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 04:15 PM (SsG4J)
Yet you will eventually vote for me, a cultured aficionado of fine modern art.
Even though I'm a pro-abortion gun grabber, I have all you bitter clingers by the balls.
HAHAhahaaaaaa!!!
Posted by: Mitt Romney, Who Likes to Fire People at March 11, 2012 12:27 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Peaches at March 11, 2012 12:27 PM (BETpH)
On the subject of 'Dogs playing poker'....
If you would like to see some of the work of an artist who is a favorite of the Hollywood crowd.....go to the website of Donald Roller Wilson. ....He goes by 'Roller'.
The Hollyweird liberal elitists, who look down their noses at us little people....and fancy themselves soooo superior.....love his paintings of apes, dogs and cats, dressed in finery and holding vegetables and fruit.
You can scroll through his site, and see the long list of Actors and famous folk who own one or more of his works.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 12:30 PM (dauG/)
Posted by: Jimma at March 11, 2012 12:30 PM (sv7B2)
The onnly art I am into today is at http://djbreitbart.in/ and following the tweet hashtag #DJBreitbart
It's an awesome tribute and some great music and great people and a helluva way to drink away the day between laundry loads and other sunday chores
Go listen to some tunes, it'll make your day :-)
Tom_Ohio
Posted by: Tom_Ohio at March 11, 2012 12:32 PM (ysWJ9)
That's good though. If people went around understanding it, the artists would just feel they'd failed and need to be even more avant garde next time.
Posted by: Heorot at March 11, 2012 12:34 PM (m2aLJ)
Posted by: Modern Artist at March 11, 2012 12:37 PM (acEq7)
You get no real argument for me, other than the lesser of two evils is still lesser.
Of the remaining 4, I prefer Gingrich, but he has waffled on Global Warming and supported the individual mandate as late as May 2011. And NONE of my moderate family members or friends will vote for him. Santorum is good on social issues, but appears to me to be a Big Union loving Nanny Stater and I need not tell you about those moderate squishes not voting for him.
I don't like any of them.
But as I have said many times over, I will vote for the reanimated corpse of Osama bin Laden before I will vote for Barack Obama.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 12:37 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Hermann Goering at March 11, 2012 12:39 PM (vRSeu)
I have to say, I didn't get the whole Impressionist thing at all til I saw a Monet exhibit. Now there was some dots.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 12:41 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Palerider at March 11, 2012 12:41 PM (m+nIW)
"Pruitt Eigor got so bad that major structural alterations were necessary" BOOM!
Gad that was funny. Delivered so dead pan.
Posted by: Derak at March 11, 2012 12:42 PM (VEhDR)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 11, 2012 12:42 PM (PWwbk)
Posted by: Doom am I, full-ripe, dealing death to the worlds, engaged in devouring mankind. at March 11, 2012 12:45 PM (j2i5s)
BTW: Daniel Maidman is indeed, the man.
For another great art blog, check out James Gurney's site. He's not only highly talented, but if you're more interested in the sciencey aspect of art, he delves a bit deeper into the color and light bit than most artists. (Which is why his paintings look like you could walk on into them and pet the dinos.)
Posted by: Book at March 11, 2012 12:46 PM (DwjJa)
Posted by: Drew in MO at March 11, 2012 12:47 PM (BDGkt)
Posted by: Book at March 11, 2012 12:47 PM (DwjJa)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 11, 2012 12:49 PM (i0App)
http://tinyurl.com/6vomg69
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 12:50 PM (kcfmt)
Following the 11 September attacks, Hirst told BBC News Online: "You've got to hand it to them on some level, because they've achieved something which nobody would have thought possible, especially to a country as big as America. So on one level they need congratulating, which a lot of people shy away from, which is a very dangerous thing." On 18 September 2002, he "apologised unreservedly" for the remarks.
(Wiki)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 12:54 PM (piMMO)
Isn't it amazing that every time you start with a flawed concept the failures occur so precisely?
Doesn't matter what particular flawed premise, it all ends the same.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2012 12:54 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Where's my pressie? at March 11, 2012 12:54 PM (X5Hwz)
I also like the old Dutch Masters dudes, that did the still life bouquets with all the bugs and such. I like me some Vermeer, though I really couldn't rell you why.
And who was the guy that did all the ladies in the late 1800 or early 1900s or so, dang I feel so stupid. It'll come to me sooner or later. Sargent?
Also really like the Pre-Raphaelites (sp?) and Titan. I'm sure the use of all the gingery models influenced me in that love!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 12:54 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Ian S. at March 11, 2012 12:54 PM (Lpdzt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl mourning Andrew at March 11, 2012 12:56 PM (9rslC)
Hirst said that he only painted five spot paintings himself because, "I couldn't be fucking arsed doing it"; he described his efforts as "shite"—"They're shit compared to ... the best person who ever painted spots for me was Rachel. She's brilliant. Absolutely fucking brilliant. The best spot painting you can have by me is one painted by Rachel."
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 12:56 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 11, 2012 12:56 PM (NVu2l)
One of the supporting characters, and one of the few of her supporters, is Maid Man, a Batman-like ass-kicker who dresses in a French Maid costume and beats the crap out of crooks with a mop.
http://tinyurl.com/7sehf8p
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 12:57 PM (kcfmt)
It doesn't need to be mentioned, nor does the pass I gave them on the environmental impact statement.
Posted by: EPA at March 11, 2012 12:59 PM (joSBv)
I really need to quite mentioning things I can't recall the names of.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 12:59 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Obama 2012 reelect email at March 11, 2012 04:11 PM (OhYCU)
Uh, that's just not true. You'll uh be allowed to keep the job you want to pay uh the taxes for the pyramids I will build. It's good for you and good for me.
Posted by: B+rry Ob+mao at March 11, 2012 01:00 PM (VyPkJ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 04:56 PM (piMMO)
Okay, I have to admit to not reading all the comments but your quote was from The Onion right?
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 11, 2012 01:00 PM (N5/RR)
This reminds me, it's time to dust off the old Canon point-and-shoot since spring is coming early.
I've always said that if I can do it, it ain't art but I do love nature photography. 
Posted by: ErikW at March 11, 2012 01:00 PM (m6net)
Hello, first timer. Been blathering here for a while, myself.
Wasn't that James Burke?
Posted by: fluffy at March 11, 2012 01:01 PM (vRSeu)
Posted by: CAC at March 11, 2012 01:01 PM (6gk77)
I'm pretty sure that was James Burke. He is know for two series, Connections and The Day The Universe Changed. They used to run on PBS stations constantly and you can find them on YouTube these days, I'd expect.
Great stuff but in more recent times he became a complete acolyte of Global Warming alarmism, producing a lengthy show called After the Warming which included all kinds of outlandish dire predictions. A surprising number of gullible SF authors took it as Holy Writ and based the conditions of their stories set a few decades hence on that show.
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 01:02 PM (kcfmt)
Following the 11 September attacks, Hirst told BBC News Online: "You've got to hand it to them on some
level, because they've achieved something which nobody would have
thought possible, especially to a country as big as America. So on one
level they need congratulating, which a lot of people shy away from,
which is a very dangerous thing." On 18 September 2002, he "apologised
unreservedly" for the remarks.
(Wiki)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 04:54 PM (piMMO)
Apology not accepted. You're welcome.
Posted by: Zombie bin Laden at March 11, 2012 01:02 PM (VyPkJ)
I don't even really know what art is, or who gets to decide. I guess that's the point and the beauty of it all.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:03 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Where's my pressie? at March 11, 2012 01:03 PM (X5Hwz)
Sorry for dissapearing last night folks, lost my interenet connection at home and they just got it fixed a few moments ago.
For the record it was not a band of black swathed, libertard ninja's nor was it caused by a legion of undead obama supporters. Nope, just a tree brannch, fell on the cable that runs from the pole to the house. Took them a little while to get a repair guy out here to fix it.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 11, 2012 01:05 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Book at March 11, 2012 04:47 PM (DwjJa)
Thanks for that link. His site looks really interesting.
Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 11, 2012 01:06 PM (N5/RR)
Posted by: Where's my pressie? at March 11, 2012 01:06 PM (X5Hwz)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:06 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Where's my pressie? at March 11, 2012 04:54 PM (X5Hwz)
There was an old series called Connections that did the same thing. Very interesting.
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 11, 2012 01:07 PM (NVu2l)
old French perves who put naughtiness in their otherwise idyllic paintings.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 04:59 PM (SsG4J)
I own a rather explicit pocket-watch from the turn of the century depicting an exposed muffin and erected johnson. Wouldn't want the children to know of its existence, so it will leave the abode prior to my untimely death.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 11, 2012 01:08 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 11, 2012 01:10 PM (T5LdI)
Did you check the branch for kerf marks?
Posted by: ontherocks at March 11, 2012 01:10 PM (ZJCDy)
Posted by: Jim Treacher at March 11, 2012 01:11 PM (X3KAb)
75.....I don't even really know what art is, or who gets to decide. I guess that's the point and the beauty of it all.
Art is visual communication. ....If the artist has to spend time 'explaining' what his work is supposed to convey....then they have failed in their attempt to communicate it.
Now, the artsy fartsy folks might disagree with my assertion of this basic definition of 'what art is'.....but then they would likely go on to declare that "Art is for Art's sake", which is just more mumbo jumbo designed to justify bad attempts at visual communication.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 01:11 PM (dauG/)
There was a thriving pornographic culture during Victoria's reign. They just kept it in the background where it belonged!
These paintings are even older, like powdered wig days. There'd be an innocent young lady in a garden swing, but if you looked carefully, you'd see a man in the bushes looking up her skirt.
Truly Moronic.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:12 PM (SsG4J)
A wild guess would be he CAN"T draw a figure. I'd bet that's a commonality shared by lots of modern artists.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2012 01:12 PM (SAMxH)
The book is in the Durant league.
Posted by: Clarence at March 11, 2012 01:12 PM (z0HdK)
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 05:02 PM (kcfmt)
--I just read a depressing article about Bo Derek jumping into the polar bear crusade. The article also repeated the lie that teh global polar bear population is declining.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2012 01:15 PM (ykSKg)
I agree, but I DO feel that sometimes there doesn't need to necessarily be an intent to communicate....my grandmother enjoyed painting now and then. She mostly painted flowers and such, and I usually heard her say "that's so pretty I just have to paint it"
I think there was something in her that just wanted to capture that beauty, that needed the outlet. That's what I think if when I hear "art for art's sake".
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:16 PM (SsG4J)
There was a thriving pornographic culture during Victoria's reign
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 05:12 PM (SsG4J)
Oh yes, French postcards were titillating for the prudish masses, and highly collectable today. Unfortunately, I'm a Methodist and we don't collect postcards, but we do reserve Thursday evenings for the nasty.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 11, 2012 01:16 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 11, 2012 01:17 PM (R5yLq)
but then they would likely go on to declare that "Art is for Art's sake", which is just more mumbo jumbo designed to justify bad attempts at visual communication.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 05:11 PM (dauG/)
Totally busted.
Posted by: ErikW at March 11, 2012 01:17 PM (m6net)
I watched a good deal of it and thought he did an excellent job of laying out the case that CAGW is complete hooey.
He demonstrated the ~500 year cycle (1000 year?) of warming and cooling. He completely missed the point he was making.
Posted by: fluffy at March 11, 2012 01:17 PM (vRSeu)
Posted by: myYbj at March 11, 2012 01:19 PM (myYbj)
Are any Erte affectionado's posting to this thread? That's sounds so pretentious, and I apologize to you and the pigmies in New Guinea.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 11, 2012 01:20 PM (TkGkA)
Well, I was raised Pentecostal, and as far as I know, babies spring unbidden from the mists.
Nastiness is not allowed, not even on Thursday evenings, and most certainly not on Wednedsday evenings, which is strictly for Bible Study.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:20 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2012 01:21 PM (SAMxH)
@52 -- U can go ahead and site some rednecked suedointellectuals to back up your naked raceism, but it aint fooling us.
Posted by: Cabrini-Green at March 11, 2012 01:21 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at March 11, 2012 01:21 PM (nEBrA)
Posted by: Jim Treacher at March 11, 2012 05:11 PM (X3KAb)
--That should be on the program of every exhibition hosting his crap.
Posted by: logprof at March 11, 2012 01:22 PM (ykSKg)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 11, 2012 01:24 PM (R5yLq)
As far as Erte, I am familiar with him. I am more of an Art Nouveau/Belle Epoque era fan girl than Deco, but I feel smug that I knew who he was!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:25 PM (SsG4J)
@94, Tammy
Something that is simply 'visually pleasing to the eye'.....or done to 'capture the beauty'.....has the element of communication as well. ....It was done to simply say "this is beautiful...and I am hereby attempting to capture it's beauty in order to showcase it for others to see".
Art doesn't have to have some deep profound message, or commentary on something. ....There is an infinitely wide scope of communication that Art can convey.....from the most simple to the profound.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 01:26 PM (aykLa)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 11, 2012 01:28 PM (R5yLq)
We need to talk.
Posted by: Stork Local 847 at March 11, 2012 01:29 PM (joSBv)
but then they would likely go on to declare that "Art is for Art's sake", which is just more mumbo jumbo designed to justify bad attempts at visual communication.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 05:11 PM (dauG/)
And FWIW, my favorite subjects are old structures in rural settings. Barns, churches, schoolhouses, covered bridges, etc.
It's not so much that I'm trying to communicate anything, I'm just trying to capture pleasing images. There might not be another person in the world who likes them (and I am certainly not an artist) but it's fun and I like it.
If someone else enjoys it, so much the better!
Posted by: ErikW at March 11, 2012 01:30 PM (m6net)
Scam on top of scam.
The con artists who pull that off are far more deserving of wealthy people's money than any government bureaucrat.
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 01:30 PM (kcfmt)
...but I feel smug that I knew who he was!
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 05:25 PM (SsG4J)
He was a great Deco artist, and unfortunately there are a lot of Erte fakes on the market today. Unwittingly, art affectionado's purchase over the Interwebs from disreputable scammers never knowing they've been had. That is until they attempt to sell their prized possession.Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 11, 2012 01:31 PM (TkGkA)
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 01:32 PM (aykLa)
We take the dogs there frequently.
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 01:33 PM (kcfmt)
Erik, I love pics of old falling down barns and such, especially the old weathered grey ones.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:33 PM (SsG4J)
Sometimes a title makes a big difference.
Link is to a photo called "Going with Grandpa"
http://tinyurl.com/7tv4dak
Posted by: Retread at March 11, 2012 01:34 PM (joSBv)
Most favorite dot is the one on an Indian ladies forehead. Lift it up and you've uncovered the secret of operating a Quicky-Mart.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 11, 2012 01:35 PM (TkGkA)
There are nine in the series. Scroll past the comments to find the rest.
Posted by: fluffy at March 11, 2012 01:35 PM (vRSeu)
Even without the fakes the market was flooded with the real thing. It was a mini-bubble that was like the housing collapse in microcosm. We have a few of those we inherited along with a bunch of far more questionable pieces by local guys. MY cousin who died in 2006 apparently spent the better part of $50K on stuff from this guy Sol Aquino and now nobody wants it. Can't even give it away.
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 01:36 PM (kcfmt)
@ 109
Are you sure there is a difference? Couldn't you define something well crafted (a chair) as art in it's own right?
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2012 01:37 PM (SAMxH)
Architecture is art, but I hate that you need to hire a Structural Engineer to make sure that it will not collapse. Still doesn't guarantee that the roof won't leak.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 11, 2012 01:37 PM (O3R/2)
***
Close. Wiki.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 01:38 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: PJ at March 11, 2012 01:38 PM (DQHjw)
Talk to the docents at Falling Water about FLW maintenance costs. Striking building in a beautiful setting, if you have deep pockets for the upkeep.
Posted by: Retread at March 11, 2012 01:40 PM (joSBv)
Most favorite dot is the one on an Indian ladies forehead. Lift it up and you've uncovered the secret of operating a Quicky-Mart.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 11, 2012 05:35 PM (TkGkA)
Good one!
Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at March 11, 2012 01:40 PM (ykSKg)
Heh, reminds me of the big new library Thousand Oaks built in the 80s. Bizarre, arty building that leaked like a sieve and nearly fell down in the Northridge quake. They had to relocate the library for several years into a property Amgen left empty when they moved into their Newbury Park campus.
I don't know what they eventually about it all because I moved away in 1996 and stopped caring.
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 01:41 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Peaches at March 11, 2012 01:43 PM (BETpH)
Many of FLW's buildings have issues. But they are quite amazing to walk through and admire!
Posted by: Peaches at March 11, 2012 01:44 PM (BETpH)
109....Now, how would you separate art from craft?
There is a certain amount of 'craft' in all visual communication.....by that, I mean the physical work of producing the art.
Whether the 'medium' is painting, sculpting, textile or whatever. ....The artist must master the crafting of that medium....in order to accomplish their work.
There can be a beauty in the most primitive craftings. There can be a beauty in the usefulness of the resulting work. .....There can even be a beauty in the therapeutic work of engaging in the Craft itself.
The 'Art World' likes to make the distinction between what is 'Fine Art' and 'Craft'.....in order to delineate between 'who' is what they deem to be a fine artist or a craftsman. .....There is really no need for this, imho. ....For it is We-the-beholders who get to be the ultimate judge of this.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 01:46 PM (aykLa)
Posted by: Jimbo at March 11, 2012 01:46 PM (O3R/2)
Is anyone utilizing MM's Twitchy? Any thoughts on it? Do we need something similar that mass targets conservatives? Example - new people running for Congress that we should get behind, ballot issues that need a broader audience, counter-petitions/protests for issues (like Rush/Fluk)?
Oh, and ART
Posted by: Calyx at March 11, 2012 01:46 PM (r8gUg)
Tammy, I'm planning on taking some evening road trips this week to try and find some good lighting.
Wish me luck!
Posted by: ErikW at March 11, 2012 01:49 PM (m6net)
retread, that pic made me tear up. My Daddy was from WV, and it sure brought back some wonderful memories, thank you.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:50 PM (SsG4J)
112.....It's not so much that I'm trying to communicate anything, I'm just trying to capture pleasing images. There might not be another person in the world who likes them (and I am certainly not an artist) but it's fun and I like it.
If someone else enjoys it, so much the better!
Ding..ding..ding. ....It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that, ErikW.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 01:51 PM (aykLa)
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 01:54 PM (SsG4J)
http://tinyurl.com/6yqcxb7
What could possibly go wrong??
Posted by: PJ at March 11, 2012 01:54 PM (DQHjw)
Posted by: Calyx at March 11, 2012 02:01 PM (r8gUg)
Something they all have in common is the argument that their failure is attributable, at least in part, to the lack of green and civic spaces. Another is the fact that they stacked people on on top of another until they lost their identity.
Now, coming from someone who lived in section 8 housing as teen, I can state unequivocally that those arguments are complete bullshit. I spent several years living in a 200 unit complex called Eureka Gardens. It was a complex of two-story brick apartments arranged in blocks, like little neighborhoods. Overcrowding was not an issue. There was plenty of green space, enough so that we played baseball and never took out a window. Yet, drugs and crime were rampant and I hid my home-life from all but my very closest of friends at school. Living there was nothing to be proud of. HENCE, the difference between those who escaped to build a life for themselves and those who did not.
I was ashamed of the way we lived: food stamps, welfare, government housing. I was determined that my own children would never live in such a place and never feel that shame. And it always amazed me that others were not ashamed. Worse, it's not that they were resolved to the life, some were, but most thought it was a great living: sitting in the courtyard, chatting up their friends, drinking all day long while their filthy, bare-footed children ran about with little supervision.
Those folks, including my own mother (for the most part) thought they were too good to work a 9-5 like the rest of the suckers. They were always looking for the easy way out; selling drugs, food stamp fraud, dancing in bars... anything it took to make money under the table with as little effort as possible.
It isn't the buildings. It is the people. Yes. Some folks landed there because of unfortunate circumstances and those same folks picked themselves up, knocked off the dirt, and got the hell out of there. Myself included.
Most of the people who live in those circumstances create those circumstances for themselves and the only folks I feel sorry for are the elderly who are dumped there to wither away.
(sorry for the rant)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 02:03 PM (piMMO)
I have visited MM's new Twitchy site a couple of times. ....It seems to be a sort of bulletin board....to showcase notable or interesting or outrageous Twitter tweets and pics.
I hope the liberals who own Twitter don't try to shut it down, with some sort of claim of 'infringement' or something.
Posted by: wheatie at March 11, 2012 02:06 PM (aykLa)
You may to look at that City-Journal article I linked. It discusses a lot more problems than those.
As you said, the most problematic element is the quality of the people. It only takes a certain subset to drag conditions down for everyone and the very nature of these projects is a magnet for the kind of people you don't want to live near.
It almost makes you suspect the elites weren't so much intent on improving lives as just moving them somewhere that they didn't have to see them.
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 02:13 PM (kcfmt)
I think this blog could be it with some fine tuning, but I get that it's not ours to run, lol! Would still love to see affiliation, if nothing else. Morons are brilliant, irreverant, warriors. There's a reason Breitbart loved us.
NDH, thanks for saying what needs to be said.
Posted by: Tammy al Thor at March 11, 2012 02:14 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 06:03 PM (piMMO)
Nah, it was a good rant, Niedermeyer, and very true. Unfortunately, while there are many many exceptions (like yourself), it's a lifestyle choice that is largely passed down through succeeding generations.
Posted by: Peaches at March 11, 2012 02:14 PM (BETpH)
Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at March 11, 2012 02:16 PM (pME4s)
Twitter has an open API. They would have to shut down a huge number of site and parts of sites to take down Twitchy. It would be an overt statement to million of Twitter users that they should find another venue, which would be suicide for the company still in search of a way to monetize the service.
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 02:16 PM (kcfmt)
Naw, the kind of uber-wealthy sorts who patronize this stuff love that kind of abuse. It makes them feel in on the scam and thats all ironic-y and hip.
Posted by: epobirs at March 11, 2012 02:18 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: JEA at March 11, 2012 02:26 PM (kbMDB)
---------
Fixed it for him.
Posted by: Anachronda at March 11, 2012 02:34 PM (6fER6)
You may to look at that City-Journal article I linked. It discusses a lot more problems than those.
***
Just did, well, most of it. I concur completely with that final paragraph and have said here before: Welfare cripples a person and steals their self-worth. Then again, some people simply suck, and no amount of opportunity will ever overcome lazy.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 02:37 PM (piMMO)
***
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say "Yes."
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 02:37 PM (piMMO)
----------
You can't fool us. We know that's what the brain slugs want us to think.
Posted by: Anachronda at March 11, 2012 02:46 PM (6fER6)
So they have conned a large number of people into believing some dots or beer bottles arranged on the floor is DEEEEP, MAN. Like, you have to be super intelligent to understand how good this art is.. and if you don't 'get it', then you're not intelligent. Nice little culture of self deception and snobbery they've invented for themselves, huh? ha
This stuff is crap. All of it. The fact that they imposed their pretentious bull$hit on people by designing human fish tanks with cool little fake castles and stuff is beyond the pale
Posted by: Hulu- Your home 4 -BAD- Korean Soap Operas.. WTF? at March 11, 2012 02:52 PM (u4/vX)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 11, 2012 02:55 PM (8sCoq)
I take issue with number 1. In fact, I take issue with how the AT&T Longlines Building can't be on that list. I mean, who the hell but a sadist houses employees in a windowless tower?!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 02:56 PM (piMMO)
*****
Dude! The "artist" doesn't even paint the dots. He hires assistancts to do it for him.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 02:58 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Y-not at the airport at March 11, 2012 03:34 PM (4Q04p)
Posted by: rickl supports SMOD/Supervolcano 2012 at March 11, 2012 04:05 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: steevy at March 11, 2012 05:09 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: Mitt is the Shit! at March 11, 2012 06:08 PM (VyPkJ)
Most of the people who live in those circumstances create those circumstances for themselves and the only folks I feel sorry for are the elderly who are dumped there to wither away.
(sorry for the rant)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2012 06:03 PM (piMMO)
I wouldn't go 100% to the people. Architecture has an impact.
Last year, we went to Saint Petersburg, Russia. All the streets have nice "buildings" which are actually little compounds surrounding courtyards. If I were intentionally designing a landscape for conspiracies, I couldn't have done better.
That said, if I weren't somewhat suspicious of the "evil empire", I might not have seen it that way.
And, BTW, if anyone is wondering -- imperial Russia is breathtakingly lovely.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 11, 2012 10:34 PM (kaalw)
All y'all need to delurk!
I've delurked a number of times. Given my CD with images to a number of local galleries. No one wants them. I suspect they're too scary, or not business-friendly, or wouldn't fit in with an existing decor. Whatever. Although my paintings are a form of communication, I'll either 1) just wait until the US dumps the Democrat party and is willing to listen, or 2) just keep the canvases about in hopes the creatures from Procyon 3 drop by after we're long gone to have a look, so my ghost can hear them say, "Hang on, this is pretty good. Look at this, it's kind of all right. Right?"
Then I can stop wandering the sterile Earth, I'm going to guess. Being fulfilled and all.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 11, 2012 10:36 PM (i0App)
Posted by: sistrum at March 11, 2012 11:04 PM (AyryN)
Posted by: torabora at March 12, 2012 12:28 AM (VyPkJ)
Talk to the docents at Falling Water about FLW maintenance costs. Striking building in a beautiful setting, if you have deep pockets for the upkeep.
If technical issues (not unimportant, but surmountable) can be resolved and the architecture be made to work, it's good architecture done badly. If, as at Wright's textile block houses in Los Angeles (Blade Runner), his desire to use the site soil in the concrete mix to 'tie' the house to the site creates a chemical composition in the concrete that will deteriorate in a few decades to be crumbling at a molecular level, it's an otherwise good design that fails awesomely. Avant Garde architecture projects are famous for leaky roofs and such because when you do things not in the conventional time tested ways, you just started a new idea in need of 'time testing', and that takes- surprise- time! Expect unusual architecture to leak- and if you can't tolerate that, stick with things built using conventional details and methods, or at least something derived from them. Revolutionary ideas leak- period.
147 It isn't the buildings. It is the people. Yes. Some folks landed there because of unfortunate circumstances and those same folks picked themselves up, knocked off the dirt, and got the hell out of there. Myself included.
149 Exactly! What could possibly go wrong gathering up the undesirable people and building filing cabinets for them to live in?
Posted by: mtwzzyzx at March 12, 2012 12:49 AM (yByQb)
Posted by: mtwzzyzx at March 12, 2012 12:52 AM (yByQb)
Posted by: Janetoo at March 12, 2012 02:10 AM (R+fMx)
176, mtwzzyzx
The buttons have been temporarily disabled, after a troll hacked the blog.
You have to enter the codes for italics and bold manually right now: [ i] [ /i] for italics, [ b] [ /b] for bold.....take out the spaces within the brackets, which I added in order for them to display.
Posted by: wheatie at March 12, 2012 08:04 AM (aykLa)
Posted by: the Butcher at March 12, 2012 08:39 AM (8g9qq)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 12, 2012 09:30 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 12, 2012 09:36 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 12, 2012 09:39 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 12, 2012 09:42 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 12, 2012 09:48 AM (i330i)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 12, 2012 09:57 AM (i330i)
Hide Comments | Add Comment | Refresh | Top
64 queries taking 0.2075 seconds, 310 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.
Posted by: cherry at March 11, 2012 12:03 PM (OhYCU)