January 29, 2012

Cain Endorses Gingrich
Poll: Romney over Gingrich 42-27

— Gabriel Malor

After he dropped out, Herman Cain told any news outlet that would have him that he would make an "unconventional endorsement" in the presidential contest at the SRLC, right before the South Carolina primary. True to his word, he endorsed "We the People" that day. Yesterday, he took another swing at it and endorsed Newt Gingrich.

This time it was much more conventional:

“Surprise, Surprise,” Cain said as he walked out on stage. “I hereby officially and enthusiastically endorse Newt Gingrich for the president of the Unites States.”

Cain gave several reasons for why he reached this “public decision.”

“One of the biggest is the fact I know Speaker Gingrich is a patriot,” Cain said. “Speaker Gingrich is not afraid of bold ideas and I also know Speaker Gingrich is running for president and going through this sausage grinder and I know what the sausage grinder is all about.

“Speaker Gingrich is running because he cares about the future of the United States of America, we all do,” Cain said.

How will this help Gingrich? Well...

Every little bit helps, right?

New NBC/Marist poll has Romney up 15 in Florida: I'm not suggesting that these numbers are related to Cain's endorsement; I just don't think this deserves it's own post.

The latest polling in Florida has Romney over Gingrich 42-27 percent. Santorum got a five point bump from the last poll, which puts him at 16 percent, over Ron Paul's meager 11.

Oh, Not An Outlier: The Miami Herald and Rasmussen both have similar numbers for Florida.

Miami Herald - Romney 42, Gingrich 31, Santorum 14, Paul 6
Rasmussen - Romney 44, Gingrich 28, Santorum 12, Paul 10

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 05:07 AM | Comments (238)
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1 I don't think a Cain endorsement will help Newt.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2012 05:09 AM (YdQQY)

2 Gives a small shot in the arm to Gingrich volunteers and donors, but no big deal.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 29, 2012 05:15 AM (hiMsy)

3 Prolly not, Vic. At some point -- maybe not this election, but you never know -- some smart political hack will realize that support from someone who was (in part) slimed out of the race is worthless. If the candidates had used their energy to push themselves as most qualified to dethrone the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure instead of throwing rocks at opponents who are at least somewhat on the same page ideologically, endorsements from the dropouts would have value.

That said, it would take a major miracle to clean The Newt up sufficiently to avoid being torn apart in the general election. Too many skeletons, real and made up, in that bulging closet.

Likewise, even a defibrillator couldn't bring The Mutt to life. The idea of a Ken-doll with no fixed principles and no real idea of what "conservatism" means is not exactly inspiring.

We can declare the Republican party officially extinct after November.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 29, 2012 05:18 AM (tkd/a)

4 Newt is my wingman!

Posted by: Herman at January 29, 2012 05:20 AM (5KfYs)

5 We can declare the Republican party officially extinct after November.
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If they do not change the way they do primaries it probably is dead.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2012 05:24 AM (YdQQY)

6 Morning morons!

I went out last week and voted for Newt in FL early voting.

Figured it was my last stop on the not Romney express.

Romney has been running a barrage of ads here on TV and radio, way more than the other candidates.

Posted by: Willy at January 29, 2012 05:26 AM (B7cs3)

7 I recommend that you people search for the account of why no reporters were there except for Bloomberg and a French reporter.  From what I have seen there is total disorganization with his campaign staff.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2012 05:26 AM (GoIUi)

8 #7  I meant why no reporters were at the Cain endorsement.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2012 05:30 AM (GoIUi)

9 We can declare the Republican party officially extinct after November.
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I'm currently fed up up with the GOP and it's rush to become democrat light.

After the next election, I'd consider going third party.

Posted by: Willy at January 29, 2012 05:30 AM (B7cs3)

10 New NBC/Marist poll has Romney up 15 in Florida: I'm not suggesting that these numbers are related to Cain's endorsement; I just don't think this deserves it's own post. So, what you mean is different than what your headline implies?

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 05:31 AM (pn8u0)

11 Impeach Willard!   Too soon?

Posted by: Bob Undead Saget at January 29, 2012 05:31 AM (dBvlk)

12 Romney & Newt should just team up as Pres &VP at this point and crush Obama. Romney is the "safe" guy to have in charge to win over the squishes as Newt goes and breaks peoples' legs and get shit done as the Pitbull VP. Make some whole hammy "we have come together to save America speech" then go for the Donk's political jugular.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston *now with accuracy approved by Blue Hen* at January 29, 2012 05:33 AM (ijjAe)

13
So, what you mean is different than what your headline implies?


Oh, get bent. I spell out precisely what I mean---knowing that if I don't, you're likely to go through contortions of complaint---and you have one anyway. Pathetic.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 29, 2012 05:34 AM (wPT1m)

14 Romney Newt should just team up as Pres VP at this point and crush Obama. Romney is the "safe" guy to have in charge to win over the squishes as Newt goes and breaks peoples' legs and get shit done as the Pitbull VP. Make some whole hammy "we have come together to save America speech" then go for the Donk's political jugular. Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston *now with accuracy approved by Blue Hen* at January 29, 2012 09:33 AM (ijjAe) I could live with that scenario. But, Mitt needs to wear a collar and Newt has the pain button. When Newt sees Mitt needs to say FYNQ, he hits the button.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 05:36 AM (pn8u0)

15 As a Floridian, all I really want is for Tues to come and go....cause if Mittens and Ann keep calling my house 5 times a day......

Posted by: Not Romney at January 29, 2012 05:36 AM (NXw/I)

16 Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 29, 2012 09:34 AM (wPT1m) Chill, Bill. I seek only clarity.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 05:37 AM (pn8u0)

17 I'm worried that Mitt will choose Charlie Christ or some other RINO squish as hisVP.

Posted by: Willy at January 29, 2012 05:38 AM (B7cs3)

18 so that was his out of the box totally unexpected endorsement he's been hiding for 3 weeks? meh.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 29, 2012 05:40 AM (Ho2rs)

19 Iowa and SC both had large shifts in the polls that looked like outliers but turned out to be almost dead on. I remember because I pointedly ignored them in my prediction thread picks and then watched them come through. I dunno if this rash of similar polls will be borne out, but I like Mitt's chances in FL a lot more today than I did the day that that Newt+9 poll came out.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 29, 2012 05:40 AM (hiMsy)

20 Mitt has been lying about not only Newt but the 1980s, re the Contras and Afghan istan, and the 1990s, (the Speakership). He has never been right, on the big issues,
Newt has been wrong on occasion, the Bain stations, Clear Channel, echo the lies most of the day, with Rush and Hannity, picking up part of the slack.

Posted by: randolph Duke at January 29, 2012 05:41 AM (AH8RI)

21 15 As a Floridian, all I really want is for Tues to come and go....cause if Mittens and Ann keep calling my house 5 times a day......
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I heard that. Can''t wait for Mitt's attack ads to stop.

Posted by: Willy at January 29, 2012 05:41 AM (B7cs3)

22 IF Mitt is the nominee, and IF Mitt does not pick a conservative for the VP slot, then we shall all know which way his wind is blowing. 

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 05:42 AM (P6QsQ)

23 IF Mitt is the nominee, and IF Mitt does not pick a conservative for the VP slot, then we shall all know which way his wind is blowing. Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 09:42 AM (P6QsQ) And that WAF.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 05:43 AM (pn8u0)

24 Depending how the GOP handles Newt going forward, I would not be shocked to see him run 3rd party, given enough money.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2012 05:44 AM (ZJCDy)

25 Awww, Gabe, you know I love me some Venn.

Posted by: alexthechick at January 29, 2012 05:44 AM (Gk3SS)

26 And that WAF. Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 09:43 AM


Sorry , but I need a pre-coffee/headcold translation on that.

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 05:47 AM (P6QsQ)

27 I just can't comprehend people not knowing who they are going to vote for at this point and time in the primaries. I was also thinking that I hope enough of the 22 year old voters that were 18 when they voted for Obama change their mind or at least won't vote so it that will offset the new set of idiot 18 year old vote. A guy can dream.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 29, 2012 05:48 AM (WRGo8)

28
Pre-election:   I'm gonna repeal ObamaCare.

Post-election:  I'm gonna replace ObamaCare with WillardCare.

Posted by: Willard the Rat O'Romney at January 29, 2012 05:48 AM (TkGkA)

29 No, no... Cain merely endorsed Newt's taste for strange poon! Get your story straight!!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 05:48 AM (niZvt)

30 If Mitt is the nominee all attendees of the GOP Convention will have to show proof they have health insurance or will be denied entry.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 05:49 AM (pn8u0)

31 Sorry , but I need a pre-coffee/headcold translation on that. Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 09:47 AM (P6QsQ) We Are F*cked.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 05:50 AM (pn8u0)

32 Obama's problem is not that he is doing badly with conservatives and independents;  his real problem is - that like any Progressive in the real world - he is doing badly with his lunatic fringe base. 

Since the Progressive ideology can't work in the real world - any real world Progressive becomes hated by the other Progressives for exposing that fact for all to see. To the - not in power  Progressive - the failures of Progressivism can't be failures of the ideology - they can only be the failures of the specific Progressive in charge.


The main difference between Communists and Progressives is how they deal with dissent. Communists handle it by killing dissenters - Progressives by attempting to vilify, marginalize, shout down and silence dissenters.  Both groups know at some level that their theater of the absurd ideology can't work - which is why they have to silence people who point that out; dissent destroys them by forcing them to see what they don't want to admit to themselves.

Posted by: An Observation at January 29, 2012 05:51 AM (ylhEn)

33 28
Pre-election: I'm gonna repeal ObamaCare.

Post-election: I'm gonna replace ObamaCare with WillardCare.
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Yesterday, Gatewaypundit posted a vid of Pam Bondi suggesting that Mitt would like BarackO'mittenscare in all 50 states ..::facepalm::..

Posted by: Willy at January 29, 2012 05:52 AM (B7cs3)

34 If Mitt is the nominee all attendees of the GOP Convention will be issued white milk, Sunshine biscuits and NoDoze.

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 05:52 AM (P6QsQ)

35 We Are F*cked. Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 09:50 AM


Ahhhh.  I concur.

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 05:53 AM (P6QsQ)

36 Yesterday, Gatewaypundit posted a vid of Pam Bondi suggesting that Mitt would like BarackO'mittenscare in all 50 states ..::facepalm::.. Posted by: Willy at January 29, 2012 09:52 AM (B7cs3) Actually, not quite. She said Romney's Plan is better than ObamaCare in many ways. What plan? What's in it? Does it have mandates?

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 05:54 AM (pn8u0)

37 If Mitt is the nominee all newt supporters will be issued pacifiers.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 29, 2012 05:54 AM (WRGo8)

38 33 28 Pre-election: I'm gonna repeal ObamaCare. Post-election: I'm gonna replace ObamaCare with WillardCare. ---- Yesterday, Gatewaypundit posted a vid of Pam Bondi suggesting that Mitt would like BarackO'mittenscare in all 50 states ..::facepalm::.. Posted by: Willy at January 29, 2012 09:52 AM (B7cs3) SIGH As was explained ad nauseum yesterday and today... The video clip says NO SUCH THING. The only thing to suggest that was the headline spin Gateway blogger decided to put on it.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 05:55 AM (niZvt)

39 If Newt is the nominee, all attendees will be encouraged to put their car keys in a bowl...

Posted by: lincolntf at January 29, 2012 05:55 AM (hiMsy)

40 I just can't comprehend people not knowing who they are going to vote for at this point and time in the primaries.  Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 29, 2012 09:48 AM


There are two scenarios for making up your mind early: one is when all the candidates have something good to offer and each makes a compelling argument for him-/herself.

The other is when all the candidates are unabashed shitweasels and, finances willing, you'd rather be stationed permanently on a tropical beach sipping drinks with umbrellas on 'em than heading for the voting booth.

You decide which scenario fits best.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 29, 2012 05:55 AM (tkd/a)

41 Obama's problem is not that he is doing badly with conservatives and independents; his real problem is - that like any Progressive in the real world - he is doing badly with his lunatic fringe base.
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Oh but a Democrap talking head on Fox this morning said Mutt was to the left of Obama.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2012 05:55 AM (YdQQY)

42

Byron York has a great piece out today on Mittens vs Newt, comparing their visions for the space program.  A peek into each person's core, if you will.  It was pretty right on, IMO.

 

Read the article (referred to by York) yesterday on Mitt's speech regarding his vision of the space program.  Swear to God, you could insert Obama's name for Mitt's and it would still be believable.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 29, 2012 05:55 AM (8DdAv)

43 Mitt's Vp will be Scott Brown, and his Press Sec, will be David Brooks.

laughs and runs like hell.

Posted by: willow at January 29, 2012 05:57 AM (TomZ9)

44 After listening to the GOP primary debates, the SOTU, and last year's congressional session, I've come to one conclusion-it's all Political Brawndo, the common sense mutilator! I can't watch anything political on television anymore.

Posted by: Clever Moniker at January 29, 2012 05:57 AM (BHM5V)

45 I still don't like Newt Romney. Lucky for me I don't have to decide who sucks less, because the TX primary never matters, and we don't even know when it will be held. The feds are holding up our redistricting, so we don't know when the primary will be or even who is running against whom in house races.

Wake me when it's time to vote against SCOAMF, but until then I'm just glad I have a governor and AG who are fighting DC's attacks on red states. I'm strictly focused on state and local races for now.

The gop candidates are picked by Democrats in two boutique states.

I won't ever get involved again in any presidential primary until they change the system.

Posted by: stace, all dead inside now at January 29, 2012 05:57 AM (lYlx9)

46 If Mitt is the nominee the GOP Convention drink menu will include root beer straight up (with valid ID).

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 05:57 AM (pn8u0)

47 I think the thrust of the Mitt for Pres campaign is "Polls show people would vote for a generic republican over Obama.  Well, here's a generic republican for you.  In fact, he's soooo generic that you can't even really call him a republican now, can you? "


Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 05:58 AM (P6QsQ)

48 Gingrich also had a grand vision for embryonic stemm cell research.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 29, 2012 05:58 AM (WRGo8)

49 SIGH

As was explained ad nauseum yesterday and today... The video clip says NO SUCH THING.

The only thing to suggest that was the headline spin Gateway blogger decided to put on it
---

D'oh
/I should have looked at it more in depth


Posted by: Willy at January 29, 2012 05:58 AM (B7cs3)

50 ------------------------------------------ Oh but a Democrap talking head on Fox this morning said Mutt was to the left of Obama. Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2012 09:55 AM (YdQQY) Ah, well... If a Democrat says that, it Must be True and therefore we should choose the nominee with the negative 60 approval ratings! Strange standard, that.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 05:59 AM (niZvt)

51 SIGH As was explained ad nauseum yesterday and today... The video clip says NO SUCH THING. The only thing to suggest that was the headline spin Gateway blogger decided to put on it. Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 09:55 AM (niZvt) Correct. How about we discuss what she did say?

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:00 AM (pn8u0)

52 @12
Romney Newt should just team up as Pres VP at this point and crush Obama. Romney is the "safe" guy to have in charge to win over the squishes as Newt goes and breaks peoples' legs and get shit done as the Pitbull VP. Make some whole hammy "we have come together to save America speech" then go for the Donk's political jugular.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston *now with accuracy approved by Blue Hen* at January 29, 2012 09:33 AM (ijjAe)
I've said for a while that Mitt would make an excellent VP.
He's the type of guy you sometimes see as an officer in the military... If he has clear orders or a very clear goal spelled out for him, he can really get stuff done.
But he really has no leadership ability, if you're unlucky enough to be stuck under this guy then a lot of flipping and flopping occurs until he figures out what his bosses want.
This explains Romney's record pretty well. At Bain Capital, a clear goal, make money on investments. As Governor, go along with the strongest tide, in this case the Democra/MSMt tide, viola! Romneycare.
If Romney wins the Presidency we get the flippy-floppy nothing.
However, if Romney is VP, then we get the benefits of the Bain Capital Romney. Turn that guy lose with the mission of cutting all government programs (except the military) by 25-30%, use the 10th amendment to close some departments down.
In that scenario, Romney is an asset to conservatives, because he's got a prize in front of him- the Presidency if a Gingrich Presidency is successful.
Of course, then we may be stuck with a Reagan/George HW Bush situation where a President Romney fritters away most of the good done by Reagan.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 06:00 AM (I49Jm)

53 If Mitt is the nominee the GOP Convention drink menu will include root beer straight up (with valid ID). Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 09:57 AM

And Postum. Don't forget that.

Jack Muttbots can still sneak out of the convention hall to have a quick shot, though.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 29, 2012 06:01 AM (tkd/a)

54 Anyone see Jen Rubin's Tweet... "excuse me-the beckoned quartet: perry/newt/cain/palin" H/T Legal insurrection

Posted by: Neomom at January 29, 2012 06:01 AM (ZDUD4)

55 Newt's VP would be Todd Palin, and He'd be His own Press sec.

heh

Posted by: willow at January 29, 2012 06:02 AM (TomZ9)

56 Should say "beclowned" quartet... Damn autocorrect.

Posted by: Neomom at January 29, 2012 06:02 AM (ZDUD4)

57 Naturalflake that is the complete opposite of what people who know both men say.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 29, 2012 06:03 AM (WRGo8)

58

All this hashing and re-hashing of Mitt v Newt ...

Cain talking about sausage grinders ...

Has my inner Homer drooling for a big lumberjack breakfast.

brb [urp]

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 29, 2012 06:05 AM (4q5tP)

59 that is the complete opposite of what people who know both men say. Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney



So tell me.  What do people who know both men say?

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 06:05 AM (P6QsQ)

60 Someone should take down Truman's ridiculous post in the sidebar re Romney replacing Obamacare w/Romneycare

It's embarrassing to the blog.

I'm about ready to toss my vote to Santorum at this point if he makes it to my State's ballot, but the #NotMitt crowd is just looking hysterical at this point. I continue to see this ridiculous assertion floating around the web. It's like no one watched the clip. It's unbelievable to me that people can be this dishonest.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 06:08 AM (enih5)

61 I'm about ready to toss my vote to Santorum at this point if he makes it to my State's ballot, but the #NotMitt crowd is just looking hysterical at this point. I continue to see this ridiculous assertion floating around the web. It's like no one watched the clip. It's unbelievable to me that people can be this dishonest. Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 10:08 AM (enih5) True dat. However, she did say Romney has a superior alternative to ObamaCare. What is it? Let's here some details about it. The Florida AG said it is pretty darn cool.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:10 AM (pn8u0)

62 Gabe takings his regular morning dump.

Posted by: grease monkey at January 29, 2012 06:11 AM (VSWPU)

63 hear, not here

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:11 AM (pn8u0)

64 Is this the Doom post? I feel sure whoever the candidate is, after this primary, they will have a conservative as VP. Willy, I don't think you have to worry about Charlie Crist being on the ticket as he has been invisible in Florida this week, from what I can tell. He is busy chasing ambulances with the leading ambulance chaser firm from Orlando and working on his fake tan.

Here is a quote by my Senator Rubio (after Newt compared himself to Rubio and Romney to Orange Crist):

“Mitt Romney is no Charlie Crist. Romney is a conservative. And he was one of the first national Republican leaders to endorse me. He came to Florida, campaigned hard for me, and made a real difference in my race.”

Guess it is time to label Marco Rubio as a RINO? A "Washington insider?" Actually he is in Washington now....conspiracy! An "elite establishment bot?"

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 29, 2012 06:13 AM (baL2B)

65 No, Newt could not be VP. He would have to be subservient to the President's goals, and Newt is not going to be subservient to anyone. His ego is too big. Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 10:11 AM (7FadD) True. He'd have to be medicated.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:13 AM (pn8u0)

66 If Newt is the nominee he'll ride on to the stage in a Moon Buggy, just to fuck with people.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 29, 2012 06:14 AM (hiMsy)

67 If you think Joe Biden is an embarrassment to Obama... Just imagine Vice President Newton sitting on the sofa with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 06:14 AM (niZvt)

68 Guess it is time to label Marco Rubio as a RINO? A "Washington insider?" Actually he is in Washington now....conspiracy! An "elite establishment bot?" Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 29, 2012 10:13 AM (baL2B) How about we name him "a politician returning a favor"?

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:15 AM (pn8u0)

69 68 If you think Joe Biden is an embarrassment to Obama... Just imagine Vice President Newton sitting on the sofa RUTTING with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 10:14 AM (niZvt)


FIFY

Posted by: killerdog at January 29, 2012 06:17 AM (CZrbJ)

70 Would sooner castrate myself with a rusty butter knife than vote for Romney.

Posted by: gm at January 29, 2012 06:17 AM (K0tm3)

71

Mitt. Gingrich. Obama.

I weep for my country.

Posted by: Lily at January 29, 2012 06:17 AM (igSv+)

72 #57  Yes, it is the opposite.  Newt didn't have any press at his Cain endorsement because they messed the schedule up and the reporters didn't want to pay for a charter clear across the state for one event.  The few who did decide to go were then told that since so few reporters were going their share of the fare would be $3000 each.  So then the reporters got pissed and everyone except for Bloomberg and a French guy told them to stuff it,  they weren't going.

So now,  going into the last two days of the campaign he has pissed off the reporters assigned to cover him.  Plus no one covered his endorsement. 

This is a sign of how he will govern,  which is why I said he was a poor choice.  You cannot run a campaign for the presidency on impulse and seat of the pants planning.   And finally some of the evangelicals have noticed that not only is he a cheater,  but he is being backed by gambling money.

Meanwhile,  Mr. "No Leadership" picked up the endorsement of the governor of Puerto Rico (who is Republican) and has ads running.  And there have been no defections from his campaign staff and no embarrassing incidents with the press or anything else.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2012 06:18 AM (GoIUi)

73 70 68 If you think Joe Biden is an embarrassment to Obama... Just imagine Vice President Newton sitting on the sofa RUTTING with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz... Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 10:14 AM (niZvt) FIFY Gee. Thanks. I think... Posted by: killerdog at January 29, 2012 10:17 AM (CZrbJ)

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 06:18 AM (niZvt)

74 If Newt is the Nominee he will be surrounded on the stage by his wife, exwives, children, old girlfriends, current girlfriends, General Lee, General Grant, the Vulcan Ambassador, and Captain Jon Luc Picard.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:18 AM (pn8u0)

75 “Mitt Romney is no Charlie Crist. Romney is a conservative. And he was
one of the first national Republican leaders to endorse me. He came to
Florida, campaigned hard for me, and made a real difference in my race.”

Guess it is time to label Marco Rubio as a RINO? A "Washington insider?" Actually he is in Washington now....conspiracy! An "elite establishment bot?"

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 29, 2012 10:13 AM (baL2B)

Well, actually, if Rubio is that convinced of Mitt's conservative bona fides, then I'd have to start questioning Rubio's conservative values and/or judgement.

Posted by: Havedash at January 29, 2012 06:19 AM (JfvbF)

76 Anyone claiming Romney is a conservative is delusional or a fucking retard.

Posted by: gm at January 29, 2012 06:19 AM (K0tm3)

77 A President Newt sure would be fun to watch at Presidential news conferences.  Speaking of which, anybody think the SCOAMF will hold one in 2012?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 29, 2012 06:19 AM (4q5tP)

78 71 Would sooner castrate myself with a rusty butter knife than vote for Romney. Posted by: gm at January 29, 2012 10:17 AM (K0tm3) This is the sort of cool, considerate thinking we need as we head into November...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 06:19 AM (niZvt)

79 What I heard her say, eman, was that he, like all the candidates have stated they they will get rid of the federal takeover.

Then she said she was to be on his "HC policy team" to help create "good health care".  This  has been my problem w/Romney all along. At times he said repeal & replace but never stating what that meant by replace. She didn't expand on it either.

You can call her woefully inept in her explanation. Of course then in fairness, you have to call bloggers and others that ran with this inaccurate headline a little long in the nose.

They cited to Free Effing Republic. Is this how we're going to examine campaign and election coverage in the coming months?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 06:20 AM (enih5)

80 At this point, Newt is my choice for two reasons:
1) Mittens is attacking him like a Zombie invasion
2) The GOP is attacking him like a Zombie invasion

Those two "endorsements" should convince anyone.

Newt/Santorum maybe

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at January 29, 2012 06:20 AM (yrgrl)

81 We have The Trojan Horse vs The Wizard Of Oz fighting it out for the GOP nomination. This should not happen with a viable opposition party to statist tyranny.

It's getting more difficult to envision a positive outcome for people that value individual rights and freedoms.

My own preference would be for those of us that value those things to hang back while the Dead Man Walking GOP, the commie Dems and the MFM commit group suicide holding hands while going over the cliff.

No details at 11 but that would be OK with me.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2012 06:20 AM (ZJCDy)

82 @57
I don't doubt that. But I believe in looking at past actions.
Mitt has shown little to no ability to fight for conservative principles. He's strictly a go-with-the-flow guy.
In his mind, getting to yes is a win, no matter what yes is.
That's why he's useful as a VP- the President gets to define "yes" or the win. The Bain Capital Romney is just what the country needs, but BC Romney never appears in public life.
Newt on the other hand displayed masterful leadership in the 90s.
He showed great courage in the face of intense hostility from both the Democrats/MSM and the rent-seekers of his own party.
But he didn't only step on toes. Legislation does get passed that way. He showed he could wheel and deal and always keep the *conservative* goal in sight.
As a comparison, look at the spineless post-2010 Boehner leadership vs 1990s Newt's leadership. Newt is a leader. Period.
But Newt is Newt. A big idea guy with strong views, I don't see him working well under mushy orders which don't advance the conservative cause or actively undermine it.
Romney as VP - Yes please Gingrich as Prez - Yes please Romney as Prez - rollable as a pillbug Gingrich as VP - chafing under the yoke
Sorry I don't agree at all with conventional wisdom on this.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 06:20 AM (I49Jm)

83 55 Newt's VP would be Todd Palin, and He'd be His own Press sec. heh Posted by: willow at January 29, 2012 10:02 AM (TomZ9) Cain's VP would have been the Incredible Human Humidor Herself, Monica Lewinsky.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 06:23 AM (niZvt)

84 Would sooner castrate myself with a rusty butter knife than vote for Romney.

Posted by: gm at January 29, 2012 10:17 AM (K0tm3)



And what is your equivalent to giving Obama another 4 years?

Posted by: Tami at January 29, 2012 06:24 AM (X6akg)

85 Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 10:20 AM (enih5) Yes, but she talked about "the Plan" with enough detail to suggest there is one, not that they will create one. If my vote counted in choosing the GOP nominee, I'd like to know specifically what Mitt has in mind for his alternative to ObamaCare.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:24 AM (pn8u0)

86 Anyone claiming Romney is a conservative is delusional or a fucking retard.

^^^

Here's the best statement on the current primary fiasco I've seen yet....well at least compressed into 140 characters --



Newt IS establishment & Romney IS NOT conservative. Respective supporters should stop the "square peg/round hole" approach. Carry on.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 06:24 AM (enih5)

87 Newt on the other hand displayed masterful leadership in the 90s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_cuNkI7pzLM

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 06:24 AM (niZvt)

88 I will vote for whoever is opposite Obama come November.  If it is Romney by default, then so be it.  But I'll be darned if I'll vote "default" in the primary.  So far all I hear from Romney supporters are default arguments. 





Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 06:25 AM (P6QsQ)

89 @83 Eh, meant to say-
****Legislation *doesn't* get passed that way.****

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 06:25 AM (I49Jm)

90 @69 eman: Politicians are politicians, even Senator Rubio. However, until he proves me wrong, he is my #1 guy and probably will be president some day. He has not endorsed anyone. I don't normally watch Huckabee, but caught Rubio's interview last night. His answer to illegal immigration and improving our debt is spot on. If he won't accept the VP slot, and he probably won't, I hope it will be Santorum, Jindal, or someone with conservative cred. Bachman would fit that bill. Rumors have Condi Rice running, but she is one of W Bush's people, and therefore tainted by the pure at heart. Of course, choosing St. Palin did not appear to help McCain win over the couch-sitting pure potatoes last time. No matter what happens, when did any candidate (other than The Won) win over everyone in his party? It has always been this way, but without such a large platform to publicly whine.

ABO 2012

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 29, 2012 06:26 AM (baL2B)

91 Well here is another Noot vs Mutt blood thread that will go to 800 comments just like yesterday. And all the comments will be just more of the same back and forth repeated endlessly.

They both suck and come November I see another puddle of puke outside my polling place.  I think we need to hold 50 more debates moderated by the MFM.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2012 06:26 AM (YdQQY)

92 If Romney can run this many negative ads against Obama he could have some fun. If.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 29, 2012 06:27 AM (2m7Im)

93 Did you know Gingrich is a vampire? Of the sparkling kind?

Posted by: Mitt Drudge at January 29, 2012 06:27 AM (/CL8O)

94 If my vote counted in choosing the GOP nominee, I'd like to know specifically what Mitt has in mind for his alternative to ObamaCare.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 10:24 AM (pn8u0)


You could check his website to see what he says re healthcare.  I know that doesn't mean much but it's all we have at this point.

Posted by: Tami at January 29, 2012 06:29 AM (X6akg)

95 Romney IS NOT conservative. Respective supporters should stop the "square peg/round hole" approach. Carry on. Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 10:24 AM (enih5) I wait to be corrected, but I think you are the only Mitt supporter who has come out and directly said this. Quite refreshing. It is a sad thing indeed that we have such awful choices before us.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:29 AM (pn8u0)

96 Here's what everyone wants today. Gratuitous cheerleader pics.

http://is.gd/oKCNzA

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2012 06:29 AM (YdQQY)

97 If Romney can run this many negative ads against Obama he could have some fun.

If.
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 29, 2012 10:27 AM



If he did it now instead of waiting, it would quell the apprehensions of many.

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 06:29 AM (P6QsQ)

98 @77 Anyone claiming Romney is a conservative is delusional or a fucking retard.

Posted by: gm at January 29, 2012 10:19 AM (K0tm3)


I can assure you that Marco Rubio is neither of the above. Go listen to his speeches if you have a doubt.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 29, 2012 06:30 AM (baL2B)

99 NEWSFLASH: Newt Gingrich bathes in the blood of virgins before every debate

Posted by: Mitt Drudge at January 29, 2012 06:31 AM (/CL8O)

100 His politics aside, he has been running for this job for 6 years now. Why wouldn't he do what it takes to win? Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 10:31 AM (7FadD) He likely will, but John McCain did not. Let's hope Mitt is different.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:33 AM (pn8u0)

101 Why wouldn't he do what it takes to win?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 10:31 AM


Maybe for the same reason John McCain told us we had nothing to fear from an Obama presidency?

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 06:34 AM (P6QsQ)

102

No doubt that Romney will turn nice when it comes to the general.  He'll find a way to out McCain, McCain.  Here's some choices:

- Obama's had a great 4 years, but it's my turn now.

- Obama means well, he just doesn't have the experience he needed.

- Obama has grown and learned a lot over the last 4 years, but I'm already experienced.  I ran the Olympics, you know.

- My mormon faith will not permit me to criticize the person holding the highest office in the land.

Posted by: Havedash at January 29, 2012 06:34 AM (JfvbF)

103 That is what Romney was doing, before the Newt surge. Remember?



No, I actually don't remember because I never saw one.

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 06:35 AM (P6QsQ)

104 Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 10:34 AM (7FadD) Mitt should not be criticized for attacking Obama, but he should be criticized for thinking he should do only that this early in the game.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:37 AM (pn8u0)

105 --- And what is your equivalent to giving Obama another 4 years? Posted by: Tami at January 29, 2012 10:24 AM ( --- Near equivalent (based on past record of governance) is four years of Romney.

Posted by: gm at January 29, 2012 06:38 AM (K0tm3)

106 #103  People seem to ignore the fact that Romney's campaign has been swift to re- tailor their approach and have shown a certain degree of ruthlessness.

Whether he is a conservative on all of the points individuals care about or not,  he does have 2 things going for him : 1. He loves the country.  2. He is a balance sheet guy who will go after the fat in the government and will demand accountability from his staff.

I think it offends him to see the mismanagement of public moneys. 

I have no doubt he will go after Obama.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2012 06:38 AM (GoIUi)

107 SHOCKING STUDY: Newt Gingrich is Lucifer, will devour all if elected

Posted by: Mitt Drudge at January 29, 2012 06:40 AM (/CL8O)

108 @88
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 10:24 AM (niZvt)
You might want to read this:
http://tinyurl.com/7bkexma
And listen to this:
http://tinyurl.com/7bjtxhy
As we all know, Washington is filled with a shit-ton of "little bitches", how can it not be? They're politicians.
The Dims wanted political payback for Jim Wright.
Several rent-seekers in the Republican party had gotten their candy taken away by Gingrich and wanted revenge.
In those days, there were 3 major news networks, so yes, by all means let's believe the totally objective reporting and opinions of Dan Rather/Tom Brokaw/Peter Jennings.
By the way, Gingrich *was* innocent of the charges. Read the article.
Again compare Boehner to Newt - You can't take away Newt's conservative accomplishments.
Tell me again - What are Romney's conservative accomplishments?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 06:41 AM (I49Jm)

109 I wait to be corrected, but I think you are the only Mitt supporter who has come out and directly said this. Quite refreshing.

^^^

Haven't you noticed? Most of us  late-in-the-game Mitt "supporters" can't really be called supporters. We're just saying that we think he has the best shot in the general election.

I notice the women hear doing it more than the men it seems. At least as far as the 'converts' it seems that way.

Most of the women supporters here were probably for Perry. All but one that I can think of that comment frequently enough for me to recognize their name/points of view are now "on" Team Mittens.

But only, like myself, by default. And honestly, if Santorum can hang on I'll think about him some more (I just don't think he plays well in the general).

I've moved past my Mittens rage and have accepted the inevitable. And by that, please don't think I'm getting all uppity and saying that others should do the same. I know I was annoyed w/all my Perry supporter companions  that told me that Newt was the better choice. Telling me that Newt 'I'm Wilsonian' Gingrich is any better is just laughable at this point. I just think, and  have been saying for quite a while that I think we should start focusing on the House & Senate races.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 06:41 AM (enih5)

110 If Romney gets the nomination, my bet is he picks Huntsman as VP.

Posted by: Mongoose at January 29, 2012 06:42 AM (KM86p)

111 Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2012 10:38 AM (GoIUi) Cutting the fat in Government is pointless. Even if all nonEntitlement spending was halted, right now, the USA would still fall into the financial abyss. Will Mitt phase out SS and Medicare and Medicaid?

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:42 AM (pn8u0)

112 he does have 2 things going for him : 1. He loves the country. 2. He is a balance sheet guy who will go after the fat in the government and will demand accountability from his staff.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2012 10:38 AM


On those points we agree.  And they are not small ones. 

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 06:42 AM (P6QsQ)

113 A President Newt sure would be fun to watch at Presidential news conferences. Speaking of which, anybody think the SCOAMF will hold one in 2012? Posted by: Count de Monet at January 29, 2012 10:19 AM

The WH staff got tired of mopping the floors after every "why are you so awesome" press conferences

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2012 06:43 AM (Y+DPZ)

114

He is a balance sheet guy who will go after the fat in the government and will demand accountability from his staff.

He'll have to count on everyone in congress dropping dead. His STAFF doesn't pass the budget or spending bills.

Posted by: Clever Moniker at January 29, 2012 06:43 AM (BHM5V)

115 @112: that is actually Romney's anti-Newt commercial playing in Florida at this moment. If Newt is nominated, it will be Obama's commercial. The thing is devastating. By the way, having the IRS reach a different conclusion than the House did is not exactly "being found innocent." More likely, it had to do with different standards of evidence needing to be met. The REAL import of the House decision was that it was controlled by Republicans when they condemned Newt. That tells you there was some serious Newt hate going on amongst the conservatives in Congress. And there STILL is, with conservative Senators even today that served with him then saying they could not support him. NOT the Hallmarks of a Great Leader.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 06:45 AM (niZvt)

116 He is a balance sheet guy who will go after the fat in the government and will demand accountability from his staff.
He'll have to count on everyone in congress dropping dead. His STAFF doesn't pass the budget or spending bills.
Posted by: Clever Moniker at January 29, 2012 10:43 AM


But the same can be said for whoever is elected.  It is good to know a man's personal priorities, and what he devotes his energy to.

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 06:45 AM (P6QsQ)

117 Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 10:41 AM (enih5) I did not notice the Mitt supporters here were converts. I despise Mitt as Kahn despised Kirk, but I will vote for him in November.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:45 AM (pn8u0)

118

And what is your equivalent to giving Obama another 4 years?
Posted by: Tami at  January 29, 2012 10:24 AM (

---
Near equivalent (based on past record of governance) is four years of Romney.

This seems about right.   But Romney can't win in any case - so many people call him 'electable' because he's 'moderate'.   They'll be proven wrong.

Posted by: Lily at January 29, 2012 06:45 AM (igSv+)

119 Why do you equate the two?


Gun shy.  I don't want to be fooled again.

Posted by: mama winger at January 29, 2012 06:46 AM (P6QsQ)

120

Shoot, I bet ol Mittens will help repeal 98% of Obamacare. Maybe only 80% if it is hard to do. Probably just half of it, don't wan tto piss off the moderates. Since probably someone will get mad with a repeal, maybe Mitt will just decide to let it ride as is. That way his base in the middle and left will still like him.

 

Is Norm Coleman still working for the Campaign? He'll certainly do a bang up job at HHS as Secretary if Mitt wins. Like he did when he ran against AL F'n Franken.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 29, 2012 06:46 AM (Z4nDk)

121 >>>>Will Mitt phase out SS and Medicare and Medicaid?<<<<<<<<

I'm betting that he will try to tie medicaid funds to your state health insurance mandate. Because....Federalism!

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 29, 2012 06:46 AM (5Wj1Y)

122 #115  I believe he is going to a phase out plan.  The balance sheet says that it has to be done.  I am remembering something he said the other day which indicated that to be the case.  Of course,  it's hard to remember with the debates concentrating on birth control and the Florida Everglades and such.

Besides,  I think a good case can be made that cutting is important for another reason besides money.  EPA doesn't need all of thoseweirdos working for them,  and when EPA is cut way back,  they won't be able to harass businesses.  And Education dept the same.   

I look forward to seeing quite a few government workers put on furlough.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2012 06:47 AM (GoIUi)

123 If I post a pic of Diane Sawyer, would that qualify as a cheerleader pic?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2012 06:47 AM (Y+DPZ)

124 I'm on Team R....whomever it ends up being. 

I'm getting use to vomiting in the voting booth.

Posted by: Tami at January 29, 2012 06:47 AM (X6akg)

125 The WH staff got tired of mopping the floors after every "why are you so awesome" press conferences Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2012 10:43 AM (Y+DPZ) I just love sitting in on Obama pressers!

Posted by: PeeWee Herman at January 29, 2012 06:47 AM (niZvt)

126 Nope. Neither will Newt. Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 10:46 AM (7FadD) Newt might. He does have a taste for history books.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:48 AM (pn8u0)

127 re Rubio.  I really don't care what his conservative speech repertoire consists of.  Personally, I find it hard to respect a person who foregoes their conservative principles for the sake of returning a favor.  If Rubio is all that enamoured with Mitt, then that tells me all I need to know about Mr Wonderful, the great latin hope.  To me, actions speak louder than words.

Posted by: Havedash at January 29, 2012 06:49 AM (JfvbF)

128 I did not notice the Mitt supporters here were converts.

^^^

polynikes (sp?), War BT the Undead States, ParisParamus, lincontf, and JeffB are the only people I can think of that have liked him and/or thought he had the best shot all along. But that's it. I can count on one hand. (I could be missing people though)

I'd say the newer folks, like myself are part of the 'Scared Shitless' crowd.

I just hate Obama. More than anything. That's all I care about.

I'm consumed of thoughts of personally sending him packing boxes. Probably not healthy, but there you have it.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 06:49 AM (enih5)

129 #122 I am a former Perry supporter who supports Mitt for much the same reason as laceyunderalls.  I am a realist who has seen the possibility of Newt's nomination upset too many people in my family and circle of friends.

These people won't vote for Obama (except maybe one) but they WILL either stay home or vote unenthusiastically,  and for sure will not do any volunteering.

You cannot ignore Newt's unfavorables if you are serious about defeating Obama.  And those unfavorables,  built up over 25 years of bizarre incidents and negative press,  will not be reversed in a few months.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2012 06:51 AM (GoIUi)

130 Whether Mitt or Newt, and even with a GOP congressional majority, leaving Weeping Boner and Pickle Smooch McConnell in place signals bidniss as usual for what once was a Republic.

Very sad for us all.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2012 06:51 AM (ZJCDy)

131

I just hate Obama. More than anything. That's all I care about.

Yup. ABO. Face it , where you gonna find real good men to run as a Republican. Nobody wants Palin-ed.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 29, 2012 06:51 AM (PddVe)

132 Well, by that standard - Mitt might too. He does have a taste for managing money effectively. Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 10:49 AM (7FadD) Yeah, but in the wrong direction.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:52 AM (pn8u0)

133 I'm consumed of thoughts of personally sending him packing boxes. Probably not healthy, but there you have it. Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 29, 2012 10:49 AM (enih5) Feh. A perp walk out of the WH is better.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:53 AM (pn8u0)

134 If I post a pic of Diane Sawyer, would that qualify as a cheerleader pic? Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2012 10:47 AM (Y+DPZ) In Iran.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:54 AM (pn8u0)

135
I LOVE reading all the worry about what Mitt/Newt will do once in office.

Please tell me more!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2012 06:54 AM (WDGuV)

136 @119
Eh, if we want to trot out devastating ads. Try this one on for size.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHPBhQK4nyo
It's already being run by the libs. And it makes Romney look like a cynical, dumbass, or-wait for it! the libtards' favorite word- hypocrite.
I'm not arguing that Newt is perfect but he has a record of bravery and conservative accomplishment that required strong leadership.
Not that Newt is Churchill but the English couldn't wait to toss out Churchill after the war. His leadership was important but he was also strongly hated in several quarters.
Romney has spent his *public* life being a shadow man, a nothing, a bit of mercury filling whatever mold in placed before him.
In the tough fight ahead, I'll take the fighter. Not the blob of mercury.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 06:55 AM (I49Jm)

137
Hearing tales of woe about what shitty presidents Mitt/Newt will be are like lullabys to my ears.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2012 06:55 AM (WDGuV)

138 Allen West!  http://youtu.be/o8YDnd1Yoyk

Posted by: Timwi at January 29, 2012 06:55 AM (pdhxN)

139 143 If I post a pic of Diane Sawyer, would that qualify as a cheerleader pic? Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2012 10:47 AM (Y+DPZ) Depends on the boobage.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 06:56 AM (niZvt)

140 That tells you there was some serious Newt hate going on amongst the conservatives in Congress. And there STILL is, with conservative Senators even today that served with him then saying they could not support him. NOT the Hallmarks of a Great Leader.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 10:45 AM (niZvt)

 

I would draw just the opposite conclusion.  The republicans I've seen coming out against Newt are not exactly heros of small government and accountability. 

Posted by: Havedash at January 29, 2012 06:57 AM (JfvbF)

141 Sending U Haul ads to the WH might become a national pastime.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 06:57 AM (pn8u0)

142 If I post a pic of Diane Sawyer, would that qualify as a cheerleader pic?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2012 10:47 AM (Y+DPZ)

She was dragged out of bed on Thanksgiving morning a long time ago when the regular morning host called in sick and she didn't wear a bra under her silk blouse. The lighting was powerful enough to show her BIG brown nipples every time she was on camera.

Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 06:59 AM (lpWVn)

143 There is indeed a lot of Newt hate in Congress. Of course, when Newt was speaker we got a major entitlement reform and a (nearly) balanced budget....has anyone come close to that since? Hell, the last I heard they don't even bother with budgets anymore.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 29, 2012 07:00 AM (5Wj1Y)

144 Newt is and always has been his own worst enemy. It seems every time he's on the ascent, he starts getting full of himself and just can't help causing his own grenades to blow himself up.

In regards to the argument that "every scandal is old news", do you think the MBM isn't holding some brand new ones in reserve?

There's a high risk that Newt will be so damaged by something either caused by himself or the MBM that he would resign after the nomination, forcing the GOP to run a space filler. That's how Obama won the IL Senate seat

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2012 07:00 AM (Y+DPZ)

145 @151
Let's see.
Nipples trump politics every time they're tried.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 07:01 AM (I49Jm)

146 Will Mitt phase out SS and Medicare and Medicaid?

No, nobody will. Probably get some tweaking on tax rates and maybe payments. But basically they're going to continue as-is until they crash the economy and government.

Posted by: Heorot at January 29, 2012 07:01 AM (1bluv)

147 Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 10:59 AM (lpWVn) And by now those nipples are in wheelchairs and yelling at kids to get off their lawn.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 07:02 AM (pn8u0)

148 156 Go we all eman, go we all

Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 07:04 AM (lpWVn)

149 Newt's already drowning in a thousand feet of boiling water with female voters. Herman Cain's endorsement oughtta bail him out...not.

Anybody who thinks Gingrich stands a chance in the general election is a fucking retard - the same kind of fucking retard that got Chris Coons elected and Harry Reid re-elected.

Posted by: packsoldier at January 29, 2012 07:04 AM (1eHSY)

150 No, nobody will. Probably get some tweaking on tax rates and maybe payments. But basically they're going to continue as-is until they crash the economy and government. Posted by: Heorot at January 29, 2012 11:01 AM (1bluv) Likely so. Our only hope is to put in somebody who can and has gone radical before. That ain't Mitt. Well, not in the right direction.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 07:05 AM (pn8u0)

151

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Rinse and Repeat with Mitt

Posted by: Charles River Swamp Yankee at January 29, 2012 07:06 AM (FRnn5)

152 Posted by: Havedash at January 29, 2012 10:49 AM (JfvbF)
yup, you heard it here first - Rubio is now a RINO

Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 10:50 AM (7FadD)

 

 

Glad to be of service!  :-)

Posted by: Havedash at January 29, 2012 07:06 AM (JfvbF)

153 158 Newt's already drowning in a thousand feet of boiling water with female voters. Herman Cain's endorsement oughtta bail him out...not. Anybody who thinks Gingrich stands a chance in the general election is a fucking retard - the same kind of fucking retard that got Chris Coons elected and Harry Reid re-elected. Posted by: packsoldier at January 29, 2012 11:04 AM (1eHSY) That's because O'Donnel and Angle weren't conservative enough!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:07 AM (niZvt)

154 @151: I thought blondes had pinl ones? Are we saying Diane's drapes don't match the carpet?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:08 AM (niZvt)

155 Pink I mean

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:08 AM (niZvt)

156 Another feel-good story about how Bain "rescued" a failing company and saved/created jobs. Which story you can be assured the Dems will not use because the voters will not vote for such out-and-out anti-capitalism smears.

"DominoÂ’s was not in need of rescue, nor was it a classic turnaround case for Bain. But it was still a bonanza for the Boston leveraged buyout firm, which makes money by buying and selling businesses. Bain reaped a 500 percent return on its investment in the nationÂ’s largest pizza delivery chain over 12 years.
DominoÂ’s grew its revenues and earnings under Bain, but its debt also surged to $1.5 billion, leaving the chain with a higher debt ratio than most of its rivals, and interest payments that eat up half its profit each yearÂ…."

http://tinyurl.com/72x94g6

Bain Capital: Saving capitalism one company at a time through profits for Bain and debt for the companies saved.

If Bain Capital saved Dominos, then Obama is saving America . . . .

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 29, 2012 07:09 AM (7jkW7)

157 Well, if Romney is going to win, I would rather he win in a walk so that the republican candidates can stop beating the shit out of each other and focus on Obama.

Romney is not perfect but we may be more likely to get a Republican Congress with him.  I don't think Romney would govern to the left of the Congress so we should be good.  Add to the ticket a young popular conservative like Rubio and we might be set.

I believe that Obama is destined to lose and Providence  gave us to him to scare America into realizing how dangerous liberalism is.  So no matter what happens in the Republican Race is meant to happen with the end result being we win.

Newt has made Romney a much tougher candidate.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at January 29, 2012 07:09 AM (uVlA4)

158 Here are my thought-out rational thoughts on the elect---wait, there are tits?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 29, 2012 07:10 AM (PddVe)

159 Perhaps Mitt would be better off rebranding the Massachusetts law as Dukakiscare. I vote that we prohibit the Republican party from operating in the Bay State.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 29, 2012 07:11 AM (nDXTa)

160 Never could figure out the Diane Sawyer popularity aside from the color of her hair maybe.
She speaks like someone that's been eating Mini Strokes for breakfast cereal for decades.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2012 07:12 AM (ZJCDy)

161 Nipple slip we much, must about that areola...and shit.

Posted by: Diane Sharpton at January 29, 2012 07:13 AM (nDXTa)

162 @166: I think you're right: it forced Romney to address his weaknesses and potentially fatal issues NOW. Newt was a good rehearsal for what's coming. One good thing about the primaries...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:14 AM (niZvt)

163
If we can't trust the little sister of the Old Gray Lady, who can we trust?

The Boston Globe for a source on a Republican candidate?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2012 07:14 AM (WDGuV)

164 Our only hope is to put in somebody who can and has gone radical before.

It's barely possible that radically slashing the bureaucratic burden would get the economy going and revenues would go up to give us enough time to phase entitlements out. But it's a long shot that they'd do it once they see the collapse date move out into the future.

Posted by: Heorot at January 29, 2012 07:16 AM (1bluv)

165 Are we saying Diane's drapes don't match the carpet?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 11:08 AM (niZvt)

Having been a bouncer at several strip joints I can state with authority that tow heads with chocolate fur is more normal than is thought. It's the Moorish influence on European genetics and almost exclusively French and Swiss in bloodline. Pink is dominant in the bloodlines north of Denmark and Ireland.

Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 07:19 AM (lpWVn)

166 @113, Lacy: "Most of the women supporters here were probably for Perry. All but one that I can think of that comment frequently enough for me to recognize their name/points of view are now "on" Team Mittens."

Yep, this has been my progression. I was unsure of Pawlenty, euphoric about Perry, and now consider myself a realist about Mitt, if that is our nominee.

My progression in 2008: Thompson-> Romney-> McCain/Palin

In 2000 and 2004: W Bush, as I don't think I paid much attention to the primaries in 2000,and it was W all the way in 2004. And, yes, much of that term ticked me off, but he was still a far cry from Kerry.

Yet, I am a Romneybot RINO.

I agree with what Miss Marple says as well: it is the balance sheet and Mitt's business success (evil capitalist!!!Shame on him!) that are his strengths. He is also good in the debate, which is how many will judge...keeping in mind that the majority do not pay a bit of attention until the national debates. Even then, the majority don't pay much attention and either vote due against the socialist, or they don't. It is going to get very ugly as soon as the GOP finally chooses. Soon we will all be racist if we oppose The Chosen Won.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 29, 2012 07:21 AM (baL2B)

167 Soon we will all be racist if we oppose The Chosen Won


That ship sailed years ago.

Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 07:22 AM (lpWVn)

168 Pink is dominant in the bloodlines north of Denmark and Ireland. Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 11:19 AM (lpWVn) There is nothing like a testable hypothesis.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 07:23 AM (pn8u0)

169 @172
That's why I'm for more debates.
Romney has not come up with an effective way to address Romneycare/obamacare.
and he won't unless forced to before the general election. By then, it will be too late. He'll look like a cynical, say anything, hypocrite by the time Axelrod gets thru with him.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 07:23 AM (I49Jm)

170 man reading that Domino's article made me hungry for pizza Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 11:19 AM (7FadD) Persevere!

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 07:24 AM (pn8u0)

171 I'm not vouching for the accuracy of the Boston Globe, I'm telling you what is coming. And while overwrought, hysterical cries of "anti-capitalist!" may work in the Republican primary, stories like that will influence the 5% or so the JEF needs.

And Team Mittens has yet--after how many fricking years of running for President!--to come up with an effective counter to the most obvious line of attack against him.

And no: At least he's not Obama isn't a counter. Neither is, "Well, that's just some liberal rag--you can't believe them.*"

*Which is a funny defense trotted out by Team Mittens given their very willingness--eagerness, even--to cite those exact same sources to attack fellow GOP candidates.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 29, 2012 07:24 AM (7jkW7)

172
Do you people realize how fucking juvenile you sound when you write shit like Mittbot and Mittens?

And then label people with those silly ass names when they don't join in your hate-fest and concern-fretting over Mitt Romney?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2012 07:26 AM (WDGuV)

173 There is nothing like a testable hypothesis.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 11:23 AM (pn8u0)


Put an advert on Craig's List for participants in a genetic study with the promise of a share of the profits from the study if published.

Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 07:26 AM (lpWVn)

174 Put an advert on Craig's List for participants in a genetic study with the promise of a share of the profits from the study if published. Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 11:26 AM (lpWVn) Heck, a $10 million Federal grant would be better.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 07:28 AM (pn8u0)

175 So, this is to be the official Sunday "non-book" thread?

Barf.

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at January 29, 2012 07:29 AM (YPt/x)

176 Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2012 11:26 AM (WDGuV) So, "Just the Tip Mitt" is inappropriate?

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 07:29 AM (pn8u0)

177
182 And Team Mittens has yet--after how many fricking years of running for President!--to come up with an effective counter to the most obvious line of attack against him.

Amen. It's like they took the MFM support for granted to the degree that they didn't have to practice the plays or study for the test.

Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 07:30 AM (lpWVn)

178 That's why I'm for more debates.

Didn't Mitt successfully crush this line of debate?

Posted by: Heorot at January 29, 2012 07:30 AM (1bluv)

179 >>Romney has not come up with an effective way to address Romneycare/obamacare.


Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 11:23 AM (I49Jm)



This at the time when for Conservatives this issue should define our candidate.


If he wasn't being foisted on us I'd say that it tells you everything that we need to know about him as a candidate, but with few other options it only raises troubling questions on multiple levels regarding ideology/campaign mgmt.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2012 07:31 AM (ZJCDy)

180 185 I like the cut of your jib.

Posted by: Panzer Trout at January 29, 2012 07:31 AM (lpWVn)

181 I remember one of the knocks against Perry was that he needed to articulate why people should support him--he needed to convince. And that he couldn't/wouldn't do so was a dis-qualifier.

So when is Mitt going to come out and defend his record in a forceful, relate-able way?

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 29, 2012 07:33 AM (7jkW7)

182 So when is Mitt going to come out and defend his record in a forceful, relate-able way? Posted by: Jimmuy at January 29, 2012 11:33 AM (7jkW7) January 21, 2013. If he has time. He'll be busy.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 07:40 AM (pn8u0)

183 So... time for a first look at Gary Johnson?

Posted by: HowardDevore at January 29, 2012 07:41 AM (DsVtq)

184 I said something like this in one of Live Blogs of the debates: Listening to Mitt talk, watching him up there, he looks and sounds like the perfect GOP Presidential candidate. But, damn--I just can't trust him.

If I could trust Mitt, if there was something ANYONE could point to that you could say: "That's the type of thing only a rock-ribbed, solid conservative instinct guy would do." he'd be running away with the nomination. And that "thing" is/was entirely up to Mitt. But he won't. Because "electability" or something.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 29, 2012 07:42 AM (7jkW7)

185 Cain is a doofus but I'll take any of his doofus-lovin fans to  knock Romney down where he belongs -  far away from any place he can cement Oromnacare into place with GOP glue,  or impose a European VAT on us peasants.

Posted by: SarahW at January 29, 2012 07:43 AM (LYwCh)

186 @189 That's why I'm for more debates.
Didn't Mitt successfully crush this line of debate?
Posted by: Heorot at January 29, 2012 11:30 AM (1bluv)
Nope.
Here's a video from the last debate. Note Santorum's masterful takedown of Romneycare. Note the very definition of shit-eating grin pasted on Romney's face as he gets owned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewkg7RiGKKQ
Romney like McCain has apparently decided to rely on the kindness of strangers(the MSM) to carry him over the inconsistencies and creepy pot of state-forced similarities in the Romneycare/Obamacare mess.
And Romney's big comeback line- "Its not worth getting mad about about.'
Really?
The single most important reason to defeat Obama isn't worth getting upset about. The single greatest reason for the victories in 2010.
And yes, I know this was supposed to be a "clever debate winning comeback firewall" against Santorum.
But look at the vid, Santorum wasn't angry or even particularly intense. That's why, the "clever comeback" failed.
Honestly, sometimes I feel like Romney has a touch of Asperger's. It's hard to connect to people if you don't understand what you're trying to connect to.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 07:44 AM (I49Jm)

187
  Time, I think, for a look at anything but politics.

   Have the best possible day, good people.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 29, 2012 07:45 AM (SAMxH)

188 How's the Santorum girl doing, anyway? Any news?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:47 AM (niZvt)

189 @147  Allen West! http://youtu.be/o8YDnd1Yoyk

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Don't worry, we've got that covered!

http://tinyurl.com/742o6s5

"After last nightÂ’s Republican Presidential debate, the candidatesÂ’ respective spinmeisters made their cases to the media as to why their guy won the debate. One of Governor Mitt RomneyÂ’s spokesmen was Florida Representative Will Weatherford, and during the course of his remarks in the “Spin Room”, he shed a very dim light on the ongoing redistricting process in the Florida Legislature. Over the past several weeks, many Republicans have voiced their disappointment towards the Republican legislature after the release of the preliminary redistricting maps. Much of the ire concerns the proposed boundaries of Congressman Allen WestÂ’s 22nd Congressional District that would be redrawn to include far more registered Democrats. 

West’s congressional district inexplicably sheds the most out support as compared to all other incumbent Republican and Democrat Congressman. A few weeks back we quoted an unnamed legislator saying that, “Allen West was screwed”, a statement which was originally made about made five months before the proposed maps were made public, leading insiders to believe that the fix was in against Allen West. But in light of Weatherford’s comment, it is increasingly clear that this is a fait accompli."


Posted by: Will Weatherford at January 29, 2012 07:48 AM (5H6zj)

190 Instead he says "It was right for MA but it's wrong for the nation." That is not effective to you but it is effective for others. Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 11:45 AM (7FadD) Then those others need to go back and try again.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 07:48 AM (pn8u0)

191 >>202 How's the Santorum girl doing, anyway? Any news?

Bella is still in the hospital, I think. The Duggars are apparently campaigning on his behalf while he's with his daughter.

I read up on Trisonomy 18.  Her prognosis is not good. 

Good bless her and their family. 

Posted by: Will Weatherford at January 29, 2012 07:50 AM (5H6zj)

192

At this point, any R Vice Presidential candidate should be an up and coming pol you want to see groomed for President, not someone who will never be a prospect. That was the situation with Dan Quayle and two terms of Dick Cheney -- unelectable as President and/or not willing to run anyway. There was nobody waiting in the wings to run against Clinton's second term or Obama's first. In each case we got old used-up RINOs as candidates because it was their turn. In particular, Cheney should have bowed out after Bush's first term.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at January 29, 2012 07:50 AM (NBPbB)

193 Will Weatherford sock off!

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 07:50 AM (5H6zj)

194 You gotta hand it to Santorum - he stands by his traditional Catholic anti-abortion, anti-birth control values despite the tragedies in his life. AND can somehow carry on a Presidential campaign, to boot.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:52 AM (niZvt)

195 Y-not, you minx! Have you been lurking here this whole time??

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:53 AM (niZvt)

196 From over at Weasel Zippers: ALLEN WEST TO OBAMA, REID, PELOSI: ‘GET THE HELL OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Heh, heh... OMG, the Leftist Howling that is about to unleash across America...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:54 AM (niZvt)

197 >>Have you been lurking here this whole time??

Nah, I just got here.

Really great day yesterday, so I don't want to kill the buzz with too much time reading the hatin' on (and by) a bunch of politicians who don't give a rat's ass about me. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 07:56 AM (5H6zj)

198 Yeah, I guess Bella's life expectancy is at best into her teens, al the while suffering. The poor kid.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:56 AM (niZvt)

199 If they are going to redistrict Allen West out of Congress, I think he should endorse Newt and see about a spot on the ticket. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 07:57 AM (5H6zj)

200 We're roasting ourselves some Cornish game hens and roasted veggies including baby carrots, tiny potatoes, brussels sprouts, and even apple and pear slices... hmmm.... can't wait! Saw it in Connecticut Cottages and Garden magazine...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 07:58 AM (niZvt)

201

It's good to see the Romney sleeper cell at AoS has been fully activated.

The endorsements of Perry followed by endless critiques of how he framed his message were the first clue.

And, now, we have Gabe, all giggly (you can almost hear it), celebrating the embrace of the Republican Dukakis. 

And why this embrace?  Because he's electable.  I'm dubious, but what if he is?  What do we get?  Romney's conviction that the individual mandate is a conservative concept does not bode well for the type of Supreme Court justices he would nominate.  Of course, neither does his embrace of the so-called Assault Weapons Ban.  Or his love of Planned Parenthood.

Pathetic.

Just pathetic.

 

Posted by: OCBill at January 29, 2012 07:59 AM (MiSre)

202 Here's a video from the last debate. Note Santorum's masterful takedown of Romneycare. Note the very definition of shit-eating grin pasted on Romney's face as he gets owned.

Okay, but that's Obamacare, the new entitlement. It doesn't cover SS and Medicare. Though from my perspective Mitt actually came out on the wrong side of the issue with his reference to Medicare in his response.

Posted by: Heorot at January 29, 2012 08:00 AM (1bluv)

203 Vermont, right now, is working on enacting single-payer health care. Should the federal government step in and tell them to stop? Yes or no? Posted by: chemjeff at January 29, 2012 11:54 AM (7FadD) That is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is does the candidate think mandates are good and did he act on his beliefs. I do not think a State should have the right or power to do what Massachusetts did. I also think the Federal Government should stay out of it.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 08:00 AM (pn8u0)

204 215 We're roasting ourselves some Cornish game hens
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That sounds great!  I've been enjoying the convection oven in this new place.  It really does wonders with roasted veggies. 

Yesterday we found a very good casual seafood place - the only good one we've found here so far - and then hit an Asian seafood market and a cool dry grocers.  The seafood restaurant even has blue crabs in season -- can't wait 'til that happens again.  The crawfish were very good (sometimes they can be muddy), but a little small.  Shrimp and clams were excellent. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 08:01 AM (5H6zj)

205 @220
Most importantly, the place serves beer.

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 08:03 AM (5H6zj)

206 @198
Not really.
Look at the studies. Romneycare has not been right for Mass.
But aside from that-
i don't expect him to call Romneycare a POS. That ship has sailed, bubba.
Hell, at this point, I'd be happy with something like:
"We used the best ideas from the best minds to create Romneycare. And we created this beautiful well-run racing car of a state policy.
But then, the Democrats came in and pasted on a windmill and a parachute and training wheels and glued a big papermache puppet-head of Ted Kennedy on that beautiful racing car and turned it into a lumbering, inefficient, cost over-running mess with payoffs every step of the way to Democrat cronies.
That isn't the Romneycare I built. But that's the healthcare mess that Mass wound up with. And that's why, I can't recommend federal or state-run healthcare. You can try, that's what the 10th amendment is all about. But it will fail everytime because of the Democrats."
See? He doesn't have to disavow Romneycare if his ego's so invested in it. And he can tie it into a the corruption/croneyism of the Obama administration.
It's a win-win and smart politics.
But he or his team hasn't thought this thru at all. obamacare may be Obama's weakness but it's also Romney's unless he finds a smart way to address it.
And no, pretending that Romneycare is a success when it isn't will not work.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 08:03 AM (I49Jm)

207 As Governor of MA Mitt was tested: How Liberal are you? How much Socialized medicine will you tolerate? How much will you increase the power and scope of government? Which way do you lean? He answered those questions.

Posted by: eman at January 29, 2012 08:05 AM (pn8u0)

208 Your place has a built-in convection oven?
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Yeah, it's a double convection oven.  I don't like how they mounted them, though.  One is a little too low. 

If you ever go that route I'd recommend an oven and a half.  The half oven (which we had in the rental last year) is really convenient because it heats up quickly.  Great for pizzas.  I'm not a baker so the second full oven is sort of overkill.  But the convection feature is great. 

How's your house working out, chemjeff? 

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 08:13 AM (5H6zj)

209

I have run the calculations of combining the two shit sandwiches known as Mitt and Newt.....and the results show,  that combining the repulsiveness of these two shit sandwiches ......into one large shit sandwich........would result in a singularity of repulsiveness.....causing an overstimulation of voter's gag reflexes.

 

Posted by: Seven Of Nine....Borg babe at January 29, 2012 08:15 AM (UOOK1)

210 Rinnrebel, agree...Bondi came across as a nitwit. However, she is our nitwit and us GOP masses voted for her vs the Dem for AG in 2010. She continued the wimp nitwit McCollum's lawsuit against Obamacare (I will give him credit for starting it, but I still voted against him for governor in 2010 as he was Charlie Crist's wingman). I was surprised to see her so off her game, as she was a strong candidate in 2010.

To sum, she did not articulate well at all on Greta. If I were Romney I would clear this up, but who knows? Bondi did not, however, say that "Romenycare" would be in all states, so I am surprised at that blog's misleading title.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 29, 2012 08:17 AM (baL2B)

211

Reading the comments from the Newtons this morning has been fun. The sorry ass excuses, the fear mongering, the exaggerations, the hyper ventilating, the nonsense, the incoherence etc. etc. has been more than just amusing.

 

Coulter put it best:

 

"To talk with Gingrich supporters is to enter a world where words have no meaning."

Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at January 29, 2012 08:18 AM (Q4jrq)

212 @227, Y-not...we bought a convection oven and also got a microwave convection oven for our top. It is great to have as an extra oven for crowds.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 29, 2012 08:20 AM (baL2B)

213 @229
Yes, yes only irrational crazy people support Newt.
My what a compelling argument!
Remind me again. What conservative accomplishments did Romney have while in office that compare to Newt's 1990's run?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 08:23 AM (I49Jm)

214 Microwave convection sounds interesting, ChristyB.


My one frustration with my kitchen, which is great overall, is that I have an electric cook top.  I'm thinking once (if) we recover financially from the horror of California, we'll pop for a gas one.  I had a contractor eyeball it and it doesn't sound like it'd be difficult to run a gas line to the kitchen. 

In the meantime, next spring we'll get around to replacing our gas grill (which we sold with the house in California). 

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 08:28 AM (5H6zj)

215 @220: Just finished eating, and OMG the hens and roasted veggies were awesome! Who knew roasted apples and pears would be so damned sweet? The pears especially... Amazing.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 08:29 AM (niZvt)

216 If you really want to be consistent with federalism, then the answer has to be yes.

NO,
How can forcing someone to buy something be constitutional.  It's not like  car insurance.  Your not using public roads or a potential risk to others.

Posted by: DaveA at January 29, 2012 08:30 AM (XFxB5)

217

Naturalflake (appropriate name), I will repeat:

 

 

"To talk with Gingrich supporters is to enter a world where words have no meaning."

 

 

Romney will be the nominee. Thankfully there are still primary voters out there who do not base their vote on somebody's ability to attack the media when they cannot answer a simple question.

 

 

Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at January 29, 2012 08:30 AM (Q4jrq)

218 Gingrich and Romney are both very flawed candidates.  As is Santorum, imho. 

The way I am deciding amongst them at this point is to look at their tax plans. 


Speaking of cheap shots and misleading stuff, I thought Ace's line at the end of his Newt debate post was a cheap one -- acting like his whole campaign is about his debate performances.  I guess the reason Romney has to try to pretend Newt was a big nothingburger in Congress -- who hated Reagan no less -- is because his own record is so short and unimpressive. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 08:31 AM (5H6zj)

219 Do you people realize how fucking juvenile you sound when you write shit like Mittbot and Mittens?

Posted by: soothsayer

Duh,
Where do you think your posting?
Also your demonstrating one of his major flaws.
Your both wussies.

Posted by: DaveA at January 29, 2012 08:33 AM (XFxB5)

220 183
Do you people realize how fucking juvenile you sound when you write shit like Mittbot and Mittens?

And then label people with those silly ass names when they don't join in your hate-fest and concern-fretting over Mitt Romney?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2012 11:26 AM (WDGuV)

---

229
Reading the comments from the Newtons this morning has been fun. The sorry ass excuses, the fear mongering, the exaggerations, the hyper ventilating, the nonsense, the incoherence etc. etc. has been more than just amusing.

Coulter put it best:

"To talk with Gingrich supporters is to enter a world where words have no meaning."

Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at January 29, 2012 12:18 PM (Q4jrq)

----


Pete, meet Soothsayer.  Soothsayer, meet Pete.


My favorite silly name that I spotted on Twitter recently is Mittwitt. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 08:34 AM (5H6zj)

221 According to a new piece at Legal Insurrection, Allan West's district is being destroyed in the redestricting, and a state legislator who is also a Romney spokesman is at least partly responsible for the deal.

Posted by: Burke at January 29, 2012 08:38 AM (9N3G1)

222 @239

Yep, I linked to the Florida political blog where he got the story: http://tinyurl.com/742o6s5

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 08:43 AM (5H6zj)

223 @239: oh for Pete's Sake, what's next? Rumors that Romney is actually an evil Sith Lord? Emperor Romneytine?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 29, 2012 08:44 AM (niZvt)

224 Sorry, CoolCzech, but I went to the source article which is not a pro-Newt blog and it's pretty obvious Romney's guy is part of the problem on that one. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 29, 2012 08:48 AM (5H6zj)

225 Coulter put it best:

"To talk with Gingrich supporters is to enter a world where words have no meaning."

Well she knows what that is like as, wasn't she married to bill maher?

I have always felt bad for her.  Her peers Monica Crowley and Laura Ingram both have radio programs and frequently guest host of o'really and others.  They do stints on the fox panels and on other networks.

No one ever asks annie to do this.  All she has is her syndicated column.

It must drive her crazy that Michelle Malin stepped into her spot, I mean the never, a blogger no less.

I's always been sure I didn't like Mitt.  Now that I see he's trying to buy the presidency I like him even less, if that's possible.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 29, 2012 09:09 AM (oZfic)

226

To the people saying Mitt has no great conservative accomplishments in the 90's, cmon.. he voted for Tsongas for goodness sakes in the primary, Operation democrat chaos before Rush even though of it, the guy is ahead of the game.

Posted by: realityman at January 29, 2012 09:15 AM (L2x1w)

227 @234
Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at January 29, 2012 12:30 PM (Q4jrq)
naturalfake, actually.
Sorry, you can't read.
Now, where in your reply was the answer to the question:
Remind me again. What conservative accomplishments did Romney have while in office that compare to Newt's 1990's run?
Or is all you bring to the table lame insults?
Thought so.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2012 09:17 AM (I49Jm)

228 PPP did polling on the Cain endorsement in IA or NH and found that it would be a net loss to whoever received it. I don't think Newt was smart to even accept it, especially given that it makes a joke out of one Newt's biggest negatives, his infidelity. The fact that Cain had already endorsed "the American people" makes it look even dumber. I guess when you are desperate you try things....

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 29, 2012 09:28 AM (9zzk+)

229 When people were all ga-ga over Herman Cain (many of which now support Newt), what was their rationale?  It seems the litmus test Newt supporters are now using is "what did Romney do for Conservatism"? (This after the meme of Newt being the best debater has now been demolished)

What did Cain ever do for Conservatism in the 90's or any other time? He is a junior representative in Congress who was a businessman, but that seemed to be enough. Mitt has executive experience as a governor and MORE private sector experience than Cain. His campaign organization is the best out there. I think this is boiling down to personalities again.  The Palinization of the party is still with us. Some of us are looking for "wattage" more than competence.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 29, 2012 09:36 AM (9zzk+)

230 Sniff

Sniff

CAT PEE

Posted by: Not clicking just to be safe at January 29, 2012 09:42 AM (RL7U1)

231

Well count me as an outlier.

I was a Cain supporter but there is no way in hell I will ever vote for that lying statist cocksucker Gingrich.

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at January 29, 2012 10:14 AM (z8HSj)

232

Only a few professional politicians will care if the Republican Party dies. The American people will cheer.  As a side line, George Soros says he would be happy with Presidet Romney.

 

Posted by: burt at January 29, 2012 03:47 PM (OzqQM)

233 Let me start by saying that I like Cain. Not presidential material, but a nice man. That being said, is it my imagination, or is it horrible for a man accused of sexually harassing several women to be endorsing a twice-divorced man who wanted an open marriage for his first two wives?

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at January 29, 2012 08:06 PM (3dOug)

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As far as the polls go, I'm not used to being this right on political predictions.

 

I had said that Newt's surge was a temporary "bump" for his giving some well-deserved crap to some media guys in the debates. It couldn't last.

 

On the bright side, I saw Romney in FL specifically saying that he's not going to go around promising everybody he will throw billions their way, to buy their votes with their great-grandkids' money. I was surprised and impressed. That's kind of breaking something of a rule, and it draws a sharp contrast between him and Obama on an issue that independents are probably pretty concerned about - the out-of-control government spending. He even essentially said "no" to feel-good back-to-the-Moon stuff.

 

On another note, is there really anybody else that could POSSIBLY be chosen for Vice President besides Rubio? He's pretty popular in FL, and that is, of course, a crucial swing states. Image him becoming the obvious front-runner for President in 8 years.

Posted by: Optimizer at January 29, 2012 08:35 PM (As94z)

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Oh, and does anybody ever really decide who to vote for based on "I liked so-and-so", and he dropped out but endorsed Other Guy, so now I guess I'm voting for Other Guy?

 

The whole idea sounds ridiculous to me, but, then again, I think for myself and I guess a lot of people aren't like that (which is more than a little disturbing).

Posted by: Optimizer at January 29, 2012 08:38 PM (As94z)

236 I can't believe I actually am at a point in my life that I watch C-Span and saw Cain endorse Gingrich, live.

I think Newt is the best choice we've got.  Who else is actually mentioning exploiting space? 

But it's weird that his wife stands there with him on the podium every frickin' minute.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 30, 2012 05:20 AM (WuRdj)

Posted by: mama winger at February 01, 2012 03:18 AM (P6QsQ)

238 .

Posted by: mama winger at February 01, 2012 03:18 AM (P6QsQ)

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