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October 07, 2012

Chavez Being Voted Out?!
— Ace

One problem: Just because he's voted out has little to do with whether he actually departs office.

The link is in Spanish but I think you can figure it out. Actually: Per Drudge, these are the exit polls, not the actual vote tabulations. Which just might be different.

It's not the vote count, it's who counts the votes.

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1 Primero?

Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 07, 2012 03:43 PM (he2LC)

2 How much did he have to win by to still beat out the fraud?

Posted by: Tommy V at October 07, 2012 03:44 PM (ZYlKz)

3 Chavez succeeds in an honest election like Obama handles a debate.

Posted by: Countrysquire at October 07, 2012 03:45 PM (GNaYV)

4 Was just looking at this on Drudge.....why does he link to a Spanish language article for his top news story?

Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 03:45 PM (X6akg)

5 Remember when we had exit polls here?

Posted by: Othered at October 07, 2012 03:45 PM (EuW9O)

6 How many of those Obama campaign contributions came from Caracas?

Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 07, 2012 03:45 PM (PH+2B)

7 Sean Penn seen crying on Oliver Stone's shoulder.

Posted by: miracles happen at October 07, 2012 03:46 PM (LpQbZ)

8 OT but has anyone here seen Taken 2 and thought it worth seeing?

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 03:46 PM (V/U0X)

9 Hugo hearts Barack. Are they really any different?

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 07, 2012 03:46 PM (O/Mo3)

10 Let's hope so. Exit polls say he lost.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 03:46 PM (ZPrif)

11 >>>Just because he's voted out has little to do with whether he actually departs office.

So now you understand why I don't waste my time on debate prep?

Posted by: Da SCoaMF at October 07, 2012 03:46 PM (RY/Ag)

12 Hopefully there will be two fewer Marxist D-Bags in office by the end of the year...

Posted by: Scanner Dan at October 07, 2012 03:46 PM (lZDQG)

13 -

Citgo may have to fly their flags at half mast.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at October 07, 2012 03:47 PM (RuUvx)

14 Adios! Maybe Fidel could use a new gardener, asshole.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:47 PM (Wp4rQ)

15 I'm surprised Chavez is still alive. I figured he'd be dead by now from his cancer. It's better that he be voted out, though, for the future of Venezuela.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 03:47 PM (ZPrif)

16 51.3 to 48.06

CHAVEZ OUT!

One SOcialist Mother Fucker DOwn

ONE MORE MOTHER FUCKING SOCIALIST TO GO!

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright sock puppet at October 07, 2012 03:47 PM (ovpNn)

17 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 03:47 PM (6o4Fb)

18 The first poll exit polls give victory to Henrique Capriles...

Posted by: miracles happen at October 07, 2012 03:48 PM (LpQbZ)

19 BREAKING.

Obama to name Chavez South American Trade and Socializaton Ambassador in New Administration if Reelected.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright sock puppet at October 07, 2012 03:48 PM (ovpNn)

20 It's amazing that Brees may break Johnny Unitas's record. For the longest while I thought that was one of the untouchable records. I still have to hand it to Unitas for accomplishing it in a far less passer/receiver-friendly era.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 03:49 PM (V/U0X)

21 Was just looking at this on Drudge.....why does he link to a Spanish language article for his top news story? Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 07:45 PM (X6akg) == it's all he's got atm?

Posted by: miracles happen at October 07, 2012 03:49 PM (LpQbZ)

22 Many Democrats are shitting their pants worrying about their ties to Hugo.

Posted by: eman at October 07, 2012 03:49 PM (Wp4rQ)

23 Obama, America's Chavez

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 07, 2012 03:49 PM (DU15A)

24 HOld the Fuck up.

Have they counted the Votes in the Trunk of these cars yet?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright sock puppet at October 07, 2012 03:49 PM (ovpNn)

25 Adios Fatboy!

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright sock puppet at October 07, 2012 03:50 PM (ovpNn)

26 It ain't over til it's over.

Posted by: Chicago Cemetary Association at October 07, 2012 03:50 PM (1Y+hH)

27 >>OT but has anyone here seen Taken 2 and thought it worth seeing? I was in a cab coming back from the airport yesterday and that annoying little auto TV thing was playing. They were doing some random shit and one was a review of Taken 2. The review was something like "If you have seen Taken you have already seen Taken 2 and if you go the only person taken will be you".

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 03:50 PM (TMB3S)

28 Considering the grief the administration gave the Hondurans in 2009, I'm looking forward to President Buttercup having to decide what the American reaction to a defeated Chavez clinging to power would be. Would be a nice chaser to the illegal contribution story this week.

Posted by: A. at October 07, 2012 03:50 PM (961J8)

29 How is it possible Chavez didn't have this election properly rigged?

Posted by: Uncledave at October 07, 2012 03:50 PM (2qaTT)

30 The problem with him trying to hold on after a defeat is that the military won't necessarily support him.

I believe they threatened a coup against him when he tried to rig the vote on an earlier constitutional referendum (nevermind the actual coup attempt for that, but anybody responsible for that must be long gone).

Posted by: AD at October 07, 2012 03:51 PM (dfVq9)

31 *actual coup attempt before that...

Posted by: AD at October 07, 2012 03:51 PM (dfVq9)

32 The review was something like "If you have seen Taken you have already seen Taken 2 and if you go the only person taken will be you". Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2012 07:50 PM (TMB3S) --That's what I am thinking too. I loved the original, but it looks like they're just blatantly going back to the well again.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 03:52 PM (V/U0X)

33 Let me tell you something. I like in a town in Southeastern Massachusetts. We just had a special election for Selectman here last month. My town votes for Republicans. Not overwhelmingly, but by about a 10% margin. In this special election, about 1350 votes were recorded. By our best estimates using all the official information, only about 1295 people went to the polls. And the Democratic candidate won by 35 votes. That's a margin of fraud of about 4%. Could it have been something other than fraud? I guess. It could have been really shoddy record-keeping by the town board of elections and the town clerk. But I just don't see how they "lose" between 4 and 5 per cent of the electorate in the paperwork. If its 4% here in my sleepy Republican town, then you can be damn sure it's 10% in the cities. Were going to need more lawyers. And more thugs.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 03:52 PM (I2LwF)

34 The CITGO boycott has yielded no Venezuelan beauty-pageant contestants seeking sanctuary here...yet.

Posted by: derit at October 07, 2012 03:53 PM (I88Jc)

35 How is it possible Chavez didn't have this election properly rigged?

Posted by: Uncledave at October 07, 2012 07:50 PM (2qaTT)

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Elevation changes while flying for cancer treatments threw him off.

Posted by: Al Gore, Jr. at October 07, 2012 03:53 PM (1Y+hH)

36 2 How much did he have to win by to still beat out the fraud? probably like 20 percent it's amazing! there is no eeyoring this! it's wonderful (if Chavez loses)

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at October 07, 2012 03:53 PM (J6kXj)

37 Taken 2: IMDB 7.2 (which is better than I expected) RottenTomatoes 19 critics; 76 audience I usually go with IMDB + RT audience. They are usually close, and pretty accurate. I want to see it, just because of Liam. He's getting old, and he's a big guy, but I like him in that part.

Posted by: miracles happen at October 07, 2012 03:53 PM (LpQbZ)

38 I agree with you, Truman - voter fraud here in the US is endemic - it is everywhere - and it is SIGNIFICANT in places like SE PA and NJ (and other places, but most egregious here)

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at October 07, 2012 03:54 PM (J6kXj)

39 Sean Penn hardest hit.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 07, 2012 03:54 PM (m/eXi)

chavez can join barack in the bath house in january

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:54 PM (cyGNg)

41 This is based on an exit poll from a number of regional capitol cities. It is illegal to publish exit polls or other electoral results prior to the official, final election result being published by the central government. The question is, why release this exit poll now? It could be designed to rally the opposition in case Chavez attempts to release results showing that he won reelection. In fact, I can't think of any other reason to do it. They expect Chavez to cheat--and so should we.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 07, 2012 03:55 PM (X0Lzo)

42 Did you see all the ex-pats living in Florida who traveled to New Orleans to vote? It was on FOX earlier and they said approx 100k. If true, that is saying something about how badly they want him out. Its 1000 miles to N.O. from Miami.

Posted by: osu at October 07, 2012 03:55 PM (vgMWF)

43 How is it possible Chavez didn't have this election properly rigged? I thought there was an anomaly during one election where his opponent got the exact same number of votes in a bunch of polling places, and Chavez won each place.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at October 07, 2012 03:55 PM (IXZpF)

44 >>>Just because he's voted out has little to do with whether he actually departs office.
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I may have to review his decision

Posted by: Cancer, stronger than dictators at October 07, 2012 03:55 PM (6LvlL)

45 They vote by fingerprint! And we complain about Voter ID.

Posted by: BitterClingy&Buried at October 07, 2012 03:56 PM (QQcJv)

46 Honestly, Chavez controls everything. He controls the news outlets and strong arms the bloggers, etc. This would be one helluva win for the opposition. But, this will prove to be true for Obama. It's the people that are affected that make the decision. We have too many unemployed, too many hurting. They will vote against Obama.

Posted by: miracles happen at October 07, 2012 03:56 PM (LpQbZ)

47 Johnny Unitas throwing a TD in 47 straight would be like a modern quarterback throwing a TD in 80 straight. Maybe more. In the late 50s and early 60s, defensive halfbacks (the old name for CBs) didn't so much play defense as they mugged the receivers. And it was all legal.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 03:57 PM (I2LwF)

well i end the day on a good note reading this post

time to take rock goddess of the great hair to the guitar center

once again its harmonics sunday (its really kicking her ass but its because she learned how to chime to early)

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 07, 2012 03:57 PM (cyGNg)

49 There Is Nothing to See Here.

We have not counted all the votes yet.

Please return to your homes while we arrest my opponent and threaten to rape and murder his family unless he concedes.

All is well.

Posted by: El Presidente Hugo Chavez at October 07, 2012 03:58 PM (ovpNn)

50 I guess at some point enough really is enough. Even in Venezuela.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at October 07, 2012 03:58 PM (p4U6S)

51 Ok, I hate Chavez, but how is he letting Venezuelans in America vote? That's pretty weak ass for a wannabe dictator.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 03:59 PM (ZPrif)

52 I think that first comment translates as: Now Chavez, then Obama. Liberty! The musings of a political dreamer. Sort of like the Shakespeare line, "The first thing we do, let's kill the lawyers."

Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 07, 2012 04:00 PM (PH+2B)

53 OT: Loopers was a cool sci-fi time travel flick.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 04:00 PM (ZPrif)

54 47 Johnny Unitas throwing a TD in 47 straight would be like a modern quarterback throwing a TD in 80 straight. Maybe more. In the late 50s and early 60s, defensive halfbacks (the old name for CBs) didn't so much play defense as they mugged the receivers. And it was all legal. Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 07:57 PM (I2LwF) --That's why it's hard to compare Don Hutson's accomplishments from back in the day to those in the live-ball era. Hutson also played defense as well.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 04:01 PM (V/U0X)

55 Hugo Chaves dijo <<Cinga tu madre. No voy a salir>>, Y Sean Penn dice <<Yo quiereo mamar tu verga Hugo>>

Posted by: Albie Damned at October 07, 2012 04:01 PM (Yhu4q)

56 Sean Penn, Joe Kennedy, Oliver Stone on suicide watch....

Posted by: GuyfromNH at October 07, 2012 04:01 PM (kbOju)

57 It looks like the country is split, roughly 53-47 or 52-48 to have Chavez out. At that margin, and with his level of rabid support from left-wing nutjob socialist militias, and given his control of the government, there is no way Chavez walks away. The best-case scenario is that Venezuelans realize that Chavez stole the election, and for the next six years they stew in resentment, and Chavez dies in the meantime, so at the next election the opposition has 57%+ support, and the government doesn't try to hold on to power in the face of such anger.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 07, 2012 04:02 PM (X0Lzo)

58 maybe Chavez gets whacked by one of his own people

you know, just to make it official

Venezuelans need their Mussolini-hanging-upside-down moment

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 07, 2012 04:02 PM (8sCoq)

59 Hubby and I saw Taken 2 last night. I liked the first one better. One unintentionally funny line in the movie was when Neeson's character tells his daughter to go the US Embassy so she would be safe. Several people laughed out loud.

Posted by: jmel at October 07, 2012 04:02 PM (c+D8V)

60 Looks like all the real news these days is in Spanish.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 07, 2012 04:03 PM (m7mrm)

61 Jo.Ke II will be fine. His son will be a US Senator in two years and possibly the president at some point in the near future.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 04:03 PM (I2LwF)

62 One unintentionally funny line in the movie was when Neeson's character tells his daughter to go the US Embassy so she would be safe. Several people laughed out loud. Posted by: jmel at October 07, 2012 08:02 PM (c+D8V) --Oh, that's good.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 04:03 PM (V/U0X)

63 Posted by: jmel at October 07, 2012 08:02 PM (c+D8V) --Oh, that's good. Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 08:03 PM (V/U0X) ===== yet, horribly sad

Posted by: miracles happen at October 07, 2012 04:05 PM (LpQbZ)

64 Is Jimmah Carter there to help Sean Penn count the votes?

Posted by: Deli LLama at October 07, 2012 04:05 PM (lGu1O)

65 I just spent the day talking with a lady (who lives below the poverty line with a husband who cannot find better employment) who says she believes in a "democratic socialist America" and that conservatives are "exploiting the economic hardship we are all facing". She couldn't really voice the exploitation, but those are the words she used. I asked her if she was familiar with the Cloward-Piven strategy. She's clueless. These freakin' commies have preyed upon the weakest and most ignorant of our society. I'm getting angrier and angrier. I'd like to fry Chavez in some lard and serve him to Obama and Moochelle for dinner.

Posted by: Godhelpusall at October 07, 2012 04:05 PM (W5c4e)

66 Henrique Capriles better have a good security team comprised entirely of orphaned bachelors.

Posted by: Lauren at October 07, 2012 04:06 PM (wsGWu)

67 56 Sean Penn, Joe Kennedy, Oliver Stone on suicide watch.... Posted by: GuyfromNH at October 07, 2012 08:01 PM (kbOju) Well? We're all watching. Y'all gonna do it or what?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 07, 2012 04:06 PM (GEICT)

68 Here's a translation from the first line: "The consultant Variance granted a victory for opposition leader 51.3% versus 48.06 Chavez." 52/48 just like I predict R/R will do...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 07, 2012 04:06 PM (GtCbF)

69 I'm pretty worried about the election. Chavez is not above rigging the votes and an article at Reuters said both sides "were predicting a narrow victory based on their monitoring of the vote, while local analysts said the ballot was looking too close to call."

51-48 really isn't "too close to call" so i'm worried.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at October 07, 2012 04:06 PM (Kx+a0)

70 I am going with the 80% + for Chavez ending. Who knows what the real vote would be.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 07, 2012 04:07 PM (PHb2k)

71 Hugo and Barky were lovers Oh Lordy, how they could love Swore to be true to each other Just like the stars up above He was his man, but we done them wrong

Posted by: Burl "the other" Ives at October 07, 2012 04:07 PM (2ArJQ)

72 @GarrettNBCNews: Kid Rock will introduce @PaulRyanVP in Rochester, MI tomorrow.

Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 04:07 PM (X6akg)

73 Why is Central America divided up into so many tiny countries? We have big countries in North and South America. But tiny ones in Central America. Is it the geography? Thick jungle and rough terrain making central control too difficult? El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Belize, Panama, Guatemala. Just make one big country. Lot easier to deal with. Plus then they could afford to have their own baseball league. Tiny countries piss me off.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 04:08 PM (ZPrif)

74 62 See that story about the Priest in Greece?The State Department are SCoaMF's.

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 04:08 PM (6o4Fb)

75 Not sure if anyone has already said this, but: Chavez was/is the Venezuelan Obama. (Well, ok, chronologically-speaking it's the other way around.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 07, 2012 04:09 PM (boomF)

76 Article translated via Chrome: "Despite the express prohibition of the Venezuelan electoral law to publish polls, apparently the opposition leader would get 51.3 percent of the votes, while the incumbent candidate would get the 48.06 percent of the ballots."

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 07, 2012 04:09 PM (GtCbF)

77 How is it possible Chavez didn't have this election properly rigged?

He's dying. It's possible that he's planning to live out his last few years in relative peace and comfort rather than trying to quash opposition and prevent a rebellion.

Posted by: Alex at October 07, 2012 04:10 PM (HwgHt)

78 Wow....there's a person on twitter opening saying if Romney is elected he will assassinate him.

And yet twitter does nothing.....so far.

Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 04:10 PM (X6akg)

79 El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Belize, Panama, Guatemala. Just make one big country. Lot easier to deal with. Plus then they could afford to have their own baseball league. Tiny countries piss me off. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 08:08 PM (ZPrif) --Actually, Central America was one big country in the 1800s (except for Panama, which was part of Colombia), and they could not hold their shit together. Look it up.

Posted by: logprof at October 07, 2012 04:10 PM (V/U0X)

80 Hugo is supposed to croak this year anyway isn't he?

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2012 04:10 PM (6o4Fb)

81 80 Wow....there's a person on twitter opening saying if Romney is elected he will assassinate him. And yet twitter does nothing.....so far. Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 08:10 PM (X6akg) The Secret Service will...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 07, 2012 04:11 PM (GtCbF)

82 Yep, it's geography, Flatbush. Geography and tribalism. Well, geography, tribalism, and no inherent Protestant tradition among the native population.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 04:11 PM (I2LwF)

83 Look at Belize- it's the one country in the region with a strong British tradition, and it's thriving.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 04:12 PM (I2LwF)

84 78 There's something to be said for instability... After all, the Soviet Union and most other Communist hellholes were too stable (until they collapsed from too much "stability"). ((Mainland) China, North Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam are still too stable.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 07, 2012 04:13 PM (boomF)

85 @78 heh. But on a serious note, the tiny island countries I can understand. Although I think we should have seized all of the islands in the Caribbean a long time ago. Letting other nations control an island right off your coast is a security risk (Cuban Missile Crisis). Giving up Cuba was a huge mistake.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 04:13 PM (ZPrif)

86 Fuck you Hugo! No more chemotherapy for you!

Posted by: Raul Castro at October 07, 2012 04:14 PM (sZTYJ)

87 A Sci-Fi story "jumps the shark" when they start using the "travel back in time" crutch.

It's no longer Sci-Fi. It's Fantasy.

Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 07, 2012 04:14 PM (he2LC)

88 Romney should call a press conference tonight while Obama is sleeping to answer questions about the Venezuelan election

Posted by: Jose/ningrim at October 07, 2012 04:14 PM (srIqv)

89 El Salvador is run by armed gangs. I think the rest of them are, too, but I'm really only familiar with Salvador.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 04:15 PM (I2LwF)

90 OT "Taken" on FX

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 07, 2012 04:15 PM (9ek7+)

91 I keep hearing about the rise of evangelical religion in South and Central America as well as in Africa and other regions. I'm sorry to say but countries with Catholicism seem to be bent more towards collectivist or authoritarian thought than others (northern europe vs southern europe).

Of course I can't forget cultural influences too, but it seems to be an interesting correlation.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 07, 2012 04:15 PM (M1gmo)

92 How low the US has come when we wink at voter fraud. It's the only voice I have to change a corrupt leadership. But I feel that every vote I give, there's a fraudulant one that negates it. The left has done a good job at almost destroying the trust of free elections.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 04:15 PM (zmkPt)

93 Henrique Capriles' twitter account: https://twitter.com/hcapriles

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 07, 2012 04:16 PM (sZTYJ)

94 Did the thick jungles keep the different tribes alive? So they can't unify because they still have amerindian tribal identities that conflict? The amerindian populations in the big countries mostly got wiped out. It's the mountain nations (Peru, Ecuador) and the jungle nations (Guatemala) that seem to have the highest % Amerindians.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 04:16 PM (ZPrif)

"80 Wow....there's a person on twitter opening saying if Romney is elected he will assassinate him. "

"And yet twitter does nothing.....so far."

Only if you insult Nancy Sinatra over her insults about GOP women voters, do you then get booted from Twitter. Or else if you are Chris Loesch.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 07, 2012 04:17 PM (O/Mo3)

96 Protestantism and bad weather are the only thing that leads to a culture is wealth creation. Sometimes, we can even export that culture to places with good weather, but not always. The Protestantism is a necessity.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 04:17 PM (I2LwF)

97 You guys ever hear of me?

Posted by: Prussia at October 07, 2012 04:17 PM (vDl/w)

98 I'm sure Obama has room in the Marcos wing of his new pad in Hawaii for Chavez...

Posted by: DTShangers at October 07, 2012 04:18 PM (LYqj5)

99 80 Wow....there's a person on twitter opening saying if Romney is elected he will assassinate him. And yet twitter does nothing.....so far. Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 08:10 PM (X6akg) ========= This is how ugly it's going to be after O loses. Tip of the iceberg. This is what Obama and the far left are doing to this country.

Posted by: miracles happen at October 07, 2012 04:18 PM (LpQbZ)

100 OT "Taken" on FX Posted by: Honey Badger at October 07, 2012 08:15 PM (9ek7+) Total waste of time. They're going to cut out all the good parts. They might as well rename it "Guested" for their airing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 07, 2012 04:18 PM (X3lox)

101 89 A Sci-Fi story "jumps the shark" when they start using the "travel back in time" crutch. It's no longer Sci-Fi. It's Fantasy. Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 07, 2012 08:14 PM (he2LC) --------------------------------------------------- Bart is this you? http://youtu.be/GnYoyCgFKSI

Posted by: Jose/ningrim at October 07, 2012 04:18 PM (srIqv)

102 The mountains and jungles seemed to have helped limit the disease spread that wiped out 90%+ of the amerindian populations in North and South America.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 04:18 PM (ZPrif)

103 93 Nah. Protestantisms obsession with "Sola Scriptura" "purified" the cultures that adopted it, while those that stuck with Catholicism retained a more "traditional" world view. (That's part of it anyways.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 07, 2012 04:19 PM (boomF)

104 Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 07, 2012 08:14 PM (he2LC) Time travel is among the most legitimate forms of Sci-Fi. The fact that most authors are too stupid to do it with any consistency is a commentary on the writers, not the nature of time travel as a sci-fi topic.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 07, 2012 04:20 PM (X3lox)

105 I'd like to fry Chavez in some lard and serve him to Obama and Moochelle for dinner.

Posted by: Godhelpusall at October 07, 2012 08:05 PM (W5c4e)

She would ask for seconds and he would ask for a chihuaua on the side.

Posted by: Warthog at October 07, 2012 04:21 PM (OixJo)

106 Be real nice if the People vote Hugo Chavez out. Sean Penn, Oliver Stone, and the Kennedy who needs cheap Chavez heating oil hardest hit. Yay!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 07, 2012 04:21 PM (c8YhH)

107 Faith Hill getting a little cocky there.

Posted by: Methos at October 07, 2012 04:21 PM (6LvlL)

108 Yoohoo!

Posted by: Sweden at October 07, 2012 04:21 PM (vDl/w)

109 They have the whole O'Reilly/Stewart debate on Mediaite. I made it through ten minutes. Stewart does his usual, make a strawman and argue against that. And he has a whole audience cheering him.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 07, 2012 04:22 PM (GZitp)

110 How low the US has come when we wink at voter fraud. It's the only voice I have to change a corrupt leadership. But I feel that every vote I give, there's a fraudulant one that negates it. The left has done a good job at almost destroying the trust of free elections.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 08:15 PM (zmkPt)

I can remember when we used to snicker at voter fraud on banana republics and the third world. We're all banana republics now. Except Canada. They're doing good.

Posted by: HtP at October 07, 2012 04:22 PM (jx2j9)

111 I read there still isn't a highway that connects Panama and Colombia because the jungle terrain is so impassable. Seems crazy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 04:23 PM (ZPrif)

112 The SCOAMT and Chavez will right a book: "The Ins and Outs of Anal Sex".

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 04:23 PM (zmkPt)

113 Tiny countries piss me off.

Ooooh, look at the tough guy. You want a piece of me?

Posted by: Liechtenstein at October 07, 2012 04:23 PM (6TB1Z)

114 I don't mind the Time Travel into the future thing. It's conceivable.

The Time Travel into the past is pure bullshit. Cannot happen. Read your Hawking.

Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 07, 2012 04:23 PM (he2LC)

115 117I don't mind the Time Travel into the future thing. It's conceivable.

The Time Travel into the past is pure bullshit. Cannot happen. Read your Hawking.

Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 07, 2012 08:23 PM (he2LC)

Technically, aren't you always travelling into the future?

Posted by: Warthog at October 07, 2012 04:25 PM (OixJo)

116 Nothing wrong with time travel in sci-fi. Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 04:26 PM (ZPrif)

117 Protestantism gave us this: A human being can have a personal relationship with God. If a person can communicate with the greatest entity which exists, then there is no subsidiary entity which is Necessarily superior to a single human being. Therefore human beings are intrinsically powerful, not merely powerful based upon the organizations and relationships they are a part of. The inherent and deserved power of the individual is inalienable for him and using it is Godly. God also provides us with the agency to act to make changes on our environment, and the environment for us to act upon. Therefore, work, and it's result- property- is Good. And acquiring property through the application of our God-given agency upon God-given natural materials, is a sign to others that the individual is Godly. This one thought and its logical antecedent, is singularly Protestant as well as being singularly necessary is a bad climate. It is the basis for what we in the West consider civilization.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 04:26 PM (MqU+D)

118 Okay, 'rons and 'ettes. I'm outta here. Will talk politics tomorrow. I'm going to watch a movie now.

Posted by: Soona at October 07, 2012 04:27 PM (zmkPt)

119 The Time Travel into the past is pure bullshit. Cannot happen. Read your Hawking. Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 07, 2012 08:23 PM (he2LC) I'm well aware of the problems with it the way it's treated by idiots. There are many different ways of addressing it legitimately while maintaining internal consistency. I've wrote one short story detailing such many years ago. It ain't that difficult. it's just that there are many ancillary effects that have to be considered and handled. BTW, Feinman used to view anti-matter as particles traveling backwards in time.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 07, 2012 04:27 PM (X3lox)

120 I don't mind the Time Travel into the future thing. It's conceivable.

The Time Travel into the past is pure bullshit. Cannot happen. Read your Hawking.
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Apparently changing the future changes the past due to some spin on Heisenberg uncertainty.

Posted by: Methos just assumed FF13-2 has temporal physics right at October 07, 2012 04:27 PM (6LvlL)

121 Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 07, 2012 08:23 PM (he2LC) Technically, aren't you always travelling into the future? Posted by: Warthog at October 07, 2012 08:25 PM (OixJo) Yes, we are travelling into the future as we speak, or as they say on "Futurama" - THE FUTURE!

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 07, 2012 04:27 PM (GtCbF)

122 Venezuelan polling stations began to close Sunday but some remained opened late as long lines of voters were still waiting to cast ballots in the presidential election, the electoral council said.

http://tinyurl.com/9u2evwv

I'm calling this one for Chavez... Missouri-style.

Posted by: Boulder Hobo at October 07, 2012 04:28 PM (QTHTd)

123 He certainly won't get 99% of the vote like I did in my last election win.

Posted by: Zombie Saddam Hussein at October 07, 2012 04:28 PM (jucos)

124 This one thought and its logical antecedent, is singularly Protestant as well as being singularly necessary is a bad climate. It is the basis for what we in the West consider civilization. Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 08:26 PM (MqU+D) Ever read St. Paul? That's been around since 50 AD

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 07, 2012 04:29 PM (GtCbF)

125 New thread

Posted by: Tami at October 07, 2012 04:30 PM (X6akg)

126 Anyway, argue with my ass. I'm taking a breather here.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 04:30 PM (I2LwF)

127 120 If you mean property rights, sure, among other things. But property rights aren't what they used to be, and the clusterfucks that happened in the 30s and 60s, and at other points had nothing to do with Catholicism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 07, 2012 04:30 PM (boomF)

128 114 It's more the threat of spillover drug violence and trafficking that keeps panama from allowing that road. Kind of like why we should blow up the road to Ciudad Juarez.

Posted by: Dick Hertz at October 07, 2012 04:30 PM (xV30b)

129 Technically, aren't you always travelling into the future? Posted by: Warthog at October 07, 2012 08:25 PM (OixJo) He's talking about a discrete jump forward in time (without having existed in the universe in the interim). But ... that sort of travel also beings up many problems to consider that I doubt Bart has thought about, such as matter actually disappearing from the universe and then reappearing - but most people don't ever consider this particular little hassle even though it totally violates the conservation of energy, which is one of the absolute foundations of modern physics.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 07, 2012 04:31 PM (X3lox)

130 Nothing wrong with Catholics. Or the Church. It's just collectivist.

Posted by: Truman North at October 07, 2012 04:32 PM (I2LwF)

131 Faith Hill getting a little cocky there. Posted by: Methos at October 07, 2012 08:21 PM (6LvlL) ----------------------------------------------------------- That would be if she was with me.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 07, 2012 04:32 PM (jucos)

132 129 Do you kiss Martin Luther with that mouth?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 07, 2012 04:33 PM (boomF)

133 133 Well, ok, look at all of Scandinavia. Thoroughly Protestant countries. And thoroughly collectivist.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 07, 2012 04:35 PM (boomF)

134 "Technically, aren't you always travelling into the future?" Traveling . . . at the speed of Time!

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 07, 2012 04:38 PM (kYyy0)

135 I think the bigger time travel issue is the fact that everything is in motion. Jump forward a year and you'll find the solar system is long gone.

Posted by: Methos at October 07, 2012 04:40 PM (6LvlL)

136 So add possible civil war in South America disrupting oil supplies and dragging in bordering countries to the ever growing list of international crises. OH GOODY!

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at October 07, 2012 04:49 PM (KCvsd)

137 election rigging incoming!

Chavez late vote surge count puts him at 50.06

All the ballots in the trunk of the cars at the presidential palace have yet to be counted.

Posted by: El Presidente Hugo Chavez at October 07, 2012 04:56 PM (ovpNn)

138 sock off

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 07, 2012 04:57 PM (ovpNn)

139 RE: Tami at #80

The Secret Service will...
The Robot Devil at October 07, 2012 08:11 PM (GtCbF)

The question is WHAT the Secret Service will do. Shortly after Ryan was named as Romney's running mate, when someone charged the stage at a Ryan appearance they did not move or react, and it was local cops who blocked it.

A month or so later, one of the SS "lost" his service pistol on Romney's plane.

And we have plenty of evidence that the professionalism of the SS is ... not what it used to be. Especially when they are out of the country on the government dime.

One wonders what orders they have from their superiors, and what their reaction to those orders will be?

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at October 07, 2012 05:04 PM (VWwOE)

140 Here's what they're saying at Kos: "Jimmy Carter, somebody we all respect, had this to say about the electoral process in Venezuela.Â“As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that weÂ’ve monitored, I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world." As a student of history of Latin America, this is a huge day for the global south. We have a neoliberal who wants to turn the county backwards from cutting poverty and hand the country back in the hands of the powerful. Chavez is far from perfect, but he fights with the poor on his mind. He is not a dictator as they have fair elections and has been popular with the people of Venezuela. He has even survived a U.S CIA backed coup attempt. Liberals and socialists around the world who stand on the side of the lower class should stand against the neoliberal neocons in Venezuela and around the world."

Posted by: Spike at October 07, 2012 05:08 PM (I4NNt)

141 Back when Cuba had it's last open election is said Fidel Castro lost as well. But then Che and Castro had them the whole election board and the whole party that went against Castro executed before the next day and the revolution was complete.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at October 07, 2012 05:09 PM (PNDql)

142 "Flatbush Joe at October 07, 2012 08:08 PM (ZPrif)" You forgot Costa Rica. Easier said, than done.

Posted by: Gulermo at October 07, 2012 05:16 PM (f+EPI)

143 I'm really drunk!

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 07, 2012 05:37 PM (Cl95C)

144 Exit polls showed Chavez losing big last time, too, but somehow he came out on top. IIRC, the discrepancy between exit polls and "official" tally was 36 points.

Jimmy Carter oversaw the sham and certified it legit.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 07, 2012 05:47 PM (RLZvP)

145 Maybe he and Bams can spend some down time together at Sandals after November 6.

Posted by: PJ at October 07, 2012 06:01 PM (DQHjw)

146 If Zogby calls it for Chavez, he's doomed.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at October 07, 2012 06:13 PM (xUI0P)

147 Attention Socialist Brothers and Sisters.

The Polls will stay open late.

Get to the polls and vote for El Presidente Chavez again if you know whats good for you.

That is all.

Posted by: Chavez Reelection and bullet disbursement team at October 07, 2012 06:28 PM (ovpNn)

148 143 Here's what they're saying at Kos:

"Jimmy Carter, somebody we all respect, had this to say about the electoral process in Venezuela.Â“As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that weÂ’ve monitored, I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world."
Posted by: Spike at October 07, 2012 09:08 PM (I4NNt)

Nobody listens to what that jew hating halfwit liberal socialist fucktard failed president has to say.

Posted by: Rosalynn Carter at October 07, 2012 06:30 PM (ovpNn)

149 Well look at that Chavez is gonna win by 11. Yep, real close vote that the observers said it would be.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at October 07, 2012 06:40 PM (c7Fcs)

150 Chavez declared winner says Fausta

Posted by: Tmitsss at October 07, 2012 06:45 PM (tjnMK)

151 Faustasblog.com

Posted by: Tmitsss at October 07, 2012 06:47 PM (tjnMK)

152 El Presidente has won again comrades!

It only took us 3 hours to find those extra votes, but we did it for the fatherland!

Posted by: Hugo Chavez Relection Squad at October 07, 2012 06:50 PM (ovpNn)

153 Rule 94: It is important to hold elections to make the masses feel like they have a say. It is more important to pad the results so that you stay in power.

Posted by: Bannana Republic Guide on How to Run a Bannana Republic by Chavez and Obama at October 07, 2012 06:52 PM (ovpNn)

154 There was zero chance he'd lose after the votes 'were counted.' Once a dictator, always a dictator. He will stay till he's dead like all these commie thugs.

Posted by: NJRob at October 07, 2012 07:03 PM (FVp26)

155 I wonder if ACORN and the NBPP had observers down there to see how it's done.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2012 07:03 PM (o+SC1)

156 It's very simple: the revolution is all-important to these thugs, much more important than things like "human rights" or "democracy." Barack Obama certainly doesn't respect democracy. But I don't think his party has "evolved" to hold his views. If enough of them did, they could try to overturn election results. As it stands, enough of them are corrupt to try to manufacture votes in particular precincts, and hope that puts them over the top.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 07, 2012 07:11 PM (XOaPd)

157 The independent polling said Chavez was ~10 points up. The opposition INTERNAL polling claimed toss-up. So how is this outcome supposed to be any sort of surprise? Reading Ace here, and almost every moron, I get the distinct impression no one here has clue one about the Bolivarist Revolution that's been going on in South America over the past decade. You guys must be snorting unicorn dust or something else magical.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 07, 2012 08:35 PM (vahvH)

158

>> Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 07, 2012 11:11 PM (XOaPd) <<

Does Al Franken ring a bell?

Posted by: steveegg at October 08, 2012 03:53 AM (o44nj)

159 The most important elections that Venezuela had were twice over a referendum to eliminate term limits. He failed to get it passed the first time, but Chavez sweetened the deal the second time (and who knows how much extra help he had). At that point, further elections did not matter because he was president for life.

The country's only hope is that his sickness gets him out of office, as the country still has enough money that it can recover from his policies (though not quickly).

Posted by: Inconsequential Elections at October 08, 2012 07:16 AM (+s5bL)

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