May 16, 2012
— Ace The last part is deftly implied.
Tell the truthÂ….While you cling to a family story and the inaccurate report that ONE document was found that supports your claim, we real Cherokees understand that those things mean nothing. You see, we Cherokees have lots and lots and lots of documentation supporting our claims of our ancestry. Our Cherokee ancestors are found on every roll of the Cherokee Nation (30+ rolls!) dating back to before the removal and in all sorts of other documentation, including but not limited to claims against the US government for lost property; the Moravian missionary records; ration lists before and after the forced removal, etcÂ…yet your ancestors are found in NONE of those records.
But, your ancestors are found in plenty of historical records, and every time, they are found living as white people among other white people. Never are your ancestors ever found living among the Cherokees. Never, never, never, neverÂ…Â….yet you claim they were CherokeeÂ….
So, Ms. Warren, you see, it is not just your opponent who has questions. We Cherokees have questions too and those questions have yet to be answered by you. You see, for us Cherokees, this is not political. This is about the truth.
You have claimed something you had no right to claim — our history and our heritage and our identity. Those things belong to us, and us alone. These are not things we choose to embrace when they benefit us and then cast aside when we no longer need them, but that is what you seem to have done by “checking a box” for several years and then no longer “checking” it more recently, when apparently you no longer needed it.
And she says she's formed a special group to prove Warren is 32/32nds white, and that they'll be releasing documents establishing this soon.
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I don't know why that made me laugh, but it did. "Monsterscrunt" has to be among the best non-profane profanities I've seen in a long time.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: joe 'super genius' biden at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (FTuxU)
We should ask Scott Brown to bow out so Ms. Warren can save face ...
Owww
Posted by: Allah's Fan Club member#230 [/i] [/b] at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (ebPtk)
Posted by: Elizibeth "Dances With Perjury" Warren at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (VMcoS)
I'll get the honey and ant hill ready
Posted by: swimming tadpole at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (Qr9Rc)
Posted by: Elizibeth "Dances With Perjury" Warren at May 16, 2012 10:24 AM (VMcoS)
Posted by: Elizibeth "Dances With Perjury" Warren at May 16, 2012 10:25 AM (VMcoS)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 16, 2012 10:25 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Right wing Jackelope of DOOM at May 16, 2012 10:26 AM (E55AK)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 16, 2012 10:26 AM (Sh42X)
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at May 16, 2012 10:27 AM (snRY5)
Posted by: Ian S. at May 16, 2012 10:27 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: Iron Eyes Cody, wop at May 16, 2012 10:27 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 10:28 AM (NG097)
Oh. Wait.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 10:28 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Little Big Scrunt at May 16, 2012 10:29 AM (pP0Tn)
Can't wait til she cries on camera about how this must mean that dear Granny must have lied about it.
Poor Lizzie, now discovering something she's believed all her life might not be true...
I'm thinking there might be two or three people who vote for her out of sympathy.
Posted by: Mama AJ at May 16, 2012 10:29 AM (XdlcF)
Garry Trudeau is desperately going after Romney's car elevator now.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 16, 2012 10:29 AM (UOM48)
I just did a genealogical search of Barney Frank.
Part of his gay family lore includes a gay cookbook, Nude Dude Food.
/rimshot
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 16, 2012 10:29 AM (rDUTp)
Posted by: Howard, Fine, and Howard; Political Consultants to the Knucklehead Party at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (VMcoS)
>>It's almost like the Democrats think they won't be vetted by a skeptical, and scrupulous media.
For my seat?? That's crazy talk.
Posted by: Ted K. at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (XdlcF)
And locked us on this reservation
And though I wear a shirt and tie
IÂ’m still a red man deep inside
Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe
So proud to live, so proud to die.
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (MBmtt)
I'm waiting on pins and needles for Rasmussen's next poll on Warren/Brown. They've been just about tied for some time. I fear no effect, tho.
Posted by: boring arhooley wants to quantify "Monsterscrunt" at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (E3EVz)
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at May 16, 2012 10:31 AM (snRY5)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 16, 2012 10:31 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: 50% Nohawk/50% Nearoquois Injun at May 16, 2012 10:32 AM (BHM5V)
thing elzabeth wardens grandpa had big cheek bones
second all of her colleges said she was a inidan they dont just
making that stuff up becase of laws and dicrisminaton about indians
second most indains dont ever go to a college so she is pretty good
roll model for young squaws children to get away from drinking
alot and get pregnat all the time when like twelve year olds nice
job on that one cheif way to think it throgh idiot lol
Posted by: Jose Canseco's Gristle Encased Head at May 16, 2012 10:32 AM (+lsX1)
You know, the BFF was full blood Mohawk. She had a Very Special Opinion of those who attempted to claim Native American or First Nations status without any type of proof. Let's just say DIAF was too good for them.
Posted by: alexthechick at May 16, 2012 10:33 AM (VtjlW)
Kidding aside, don't be surprised for some bureaucracy in Washington get all wee-wee'd up about this and get some payback. If some reservation gets a casino permit revoked without explanation, this is why. You don't challenge a member of this regime and get away with it.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at May 16, 2012 10:33 AM (Jdtsu)
Posted by: Cherokee gynecologist to Elizabeth Warren at May 16, 2012 10:34 AM (jPyQ/)
Yes, that's a much more authentic than Lizzy Warren... but enough to become a minority activist when she's 78% white?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 16, 2012 10:35 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 16, 2012 10:35 AM (E3EVz)
Posted by: The Fradgan at May 16, 2012 10:35 AM (ex+u8)
Posted by: Would you like some Aloe Vera with that burn? at May 16, 2012 10:35 AM (HOOye)
And her name was Patel.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 16, 2012 10:36 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Grossed Out Cherokees at May 16, 2012 10:36 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at May 16, 2012 10:36 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: steevy at May 16, 2012 10:36 AM (7W3wI)
Posted by: MJ at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (/x4oj)
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren's Husband at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (MBmtt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 10:38 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Lizzy Warrenstein at May 16, 2012 10:38 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at May 16, 2012 10:38 AM (8g9qq)
Yes, that's a much more authentic than Lizzy Warren... but enough to become a minority activist when she's 78% white?
It's all pretty silly isn't it.
If you're less than 1/4 Indian....you ain't Indian AFAIC.
Posted by: eleven at May 16, 2012 10:38 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Liz Wampum at May 16, 2012 10:39 AM (ShuAW)
Hey, it's Massachusetts. It could happen.
Posted by: Exile at May 16, 2012 10:39 AM (O0lVq)
I don't mean the Senate job she's trying to get, but her tenured Harvard faculty position.
Posted by: Looking closely at May 16, 2012 10:39 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 10:40 AM (piMMO)
Thanks for joining us. Tune in next week when we make a replica of Mount Rushmore for the yard out of solid teak!
Posted by: That's pronounced 'Narm Ahbrims' at May 16, 2012 10:40 AM (VMcoS)
Posted by: The Fradgan at May 16, 2012 10:40 AM (ex+u8)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 16, 2012 10:40 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Gran at May 16, 2012 10:40 AM (jPyQ/)
Me umm keep saying... we take her...
but, we gotum plan.... first she blow us...
Whoopeee Doopppeee! We have Fun!
Posted by: Chief Ruffled Feathers, Gopher Tribe at May 16, 2012 10:41 AM (lZBBB)
GENE-YUSS.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 16, 2012 10:41 AM (ebPtk)
srsly she did steal a position . how much did she profit from her act? and who was on the list that might have gotten her position?
Also, Did Harvard get money for hiring her? Did her cheekbones convince them?
Posted by: willow-channeling warren at May 16, 2012 10:42 AM (TomZ9)
***SHIT ADVISORY***
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Shit Status: JUST GOT REAL
***SHIT ADVISORY ENDS***
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 16, 2012 10:42 AM (8W5lq)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 16, 2012 10:42 AM (wyHbU)
The rule used to be that race derived from your mother. You could be 1/32 green, but if that's traced via your maternal line, you were considered 100% green.
Don't know if that's how the Cherokee do it.
Though if you think of Cherokee as a nation, you're Cherokee more by your contributions to the nation than by your blood. Like being an American, only more exclusive.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 16, 2012 10:42 AM (bjRNS)
This is something. Who the fuck axed the Cherokee to get involved in this?
Posted by: Straights of Jebraulter at May 16, 2012 10:42 AM (ufLRj)
>>They clearly are facing an investigation in to falsified statements of the race of an employee and misrepresentation of the facts to the Federal Government.
I seriously doubt that.
Posted by: Mama AJ at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (snRY5)
Posted by: nickless at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (MMC8r)
That's the whole problem with race-based affirmative action and other programs.
Its leads to these ridiculous (and utterly predictable) situations, where a. people get tremendous incentive to lie about their background, and b. where even legitimate genetic history leads to special treatment.
I mean really, because my great-great-great grandparent was a minority, I deserve special consideration for a job today?
Posted by: Looking closely at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: Blaster at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (HR5x9)
Shouldn't Warren lose her job over this?
I don't mean the Senate job she's trying to get, but her tenured Harvard faculty position.
Posted by: Looking closely
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I wouldn't be one bit surprised if she goes under the bus.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (E3EVz)
Posted by: soulpile at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (Mk/IQ)
Obama's not the only one having fun inserting Obama into a new context. Click on my name to see. BONUS: New Taiwanese video to boot. Perhaps the new mash-up cover is a little not-safe-for-work, so ye be warned, matey...
Posted by: Keith Arnold at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (Jdtsu)
Posted by: Anal Bum cover for Elton at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (ATM0b)
Posted by: willow at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Elizabeth Namaste Warren at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Straights of Jebraulter at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (ufLRj)
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 16, 2012 10:45 AM (HJYyV)
Posted by: nickless at May 16, 2012 10:45 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Blaster at May 16, 2012 10:45 AM (HR5x9)
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 16, 2012 10:45 AM (HJYyV)
Posted by: Blaster
Unless you are a white Hispanic.
Posted by: Roy at May 16, 2012 10:47 AM (bm4vI)
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren, watching Disney's Pocahontas at May 16, 2012 10:47 AM (snRY5)
****
When even the Japanese think you've gong too far....
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 10:47 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: jimmuy at May 16, 2012 10:48 AM (kSaUf)
I seriously doubt that.
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Not under the current administration, they aren't.
In fairness to Harvard, if they're supposed to take an applicant's word for their race at face value, then they didn't do anything "wrong" in hiring Warren as a minority.
She *did* go through not one, but TWO prior academic posts at other institutions as a "Native American" prior to THEIR hire, and its not entirely crazy to assume that she was previously vetted on this.
Ultimately, the fraud is on Warren's head. Now the question is, did she actually believe cock-and-bull family "stories" about having Indian blood, or did she just make up the whole thing to secure a job?
Posted by: Looking closely at May 16, 2012 10:48 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: Elizabeth Screaming Chicken Warren at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (KHo8t)
She was the next Hillary on the left. 4 years in the Senate, then President.
No shit, they thought it.
Posted by: MJ
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God knows she's ugly enough.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (E3EVz)
My great-grandfather was 1/8th Cherokee, and he had the drinking habit to prove it (though the Scots-Irish in him didn't help, either). That makes me 1/64th Cherokee (perhaps more - there might be native blood on my mom's side), makes my father 1/32nd Cherokee, and makes my grandmother and her numerous siblings 1/16th Cherokee.
Nevertheless, none of us, not even my grandmother and her 1/16th Cherokee siblings, have ever proclaimed to be Native American by virtue of an ancestor born sometime around 1820 who contributed a rather minor share of our DNA. Some of us occasionally joke about it, but we have never thought of oursleves as culturally or genetically anything other than European-Americans. We have no cultural links to that ancestor or her people and no living memory of her.
Now I *might* claim Native American ancestry some day if I can get a government handout out of it but then, unlike Elizabeth Warren, I think that affirmative action and quotas and set-asides are complete crocks of shit and would do anything I could to undermine them or eliminate them. Elizabeth Warren has no excuse.
Posted by: MrWilson at May 16, 2012 10:50 AM (+/VZz)
In MA, if you just stick a feather in your hat and call it macaroni, you're cool with the indian thing.
Posted by: Roy at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (bm4vI)
What was his name, Chief Fishy Elbow?
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (Iaxlk)
It made more sense than most of the Fauxcahontas lore.
And I am very painfully (in the very literal sense) sober.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (/kI1Q)
white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white white
white white white white white white white indian
{rips open envelope, blows}
{pulls out card}
Point to all of Elizabeth Warren's ancestors and then say "indian".
Posted by: Carnac the Magnificent at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (pbZu/)
Posted by: Looking closely at May 16, 2012 02:48 PM (PwGfd)
She *did* go through not one, but TWO prior academic
posts at other institutions as a "Native American" prior to THEIR hire,
thanks, yeah i didn't know that.
Thanks for that info.
Posted by: willow at May 16, 2012 10:52 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: "Lizzie of Oz" Warren at May 16, 2012 10:52 AM (jm/9g)
Chair-uh-KEE Tri-IIIIIBE!
(sorry. had that damn song in my head since all these shenanigans started...)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at May 16, 2012 10:53 AM (HpT9p)
I'd be highly surprised if she were fired over this, no matter how richly she deserves it.
For one thing, I understand she's tenured, and that makes firing very difficult (if not absolutely impossible).
But more to the point, Harvard can't really fire her, because then it makes THEM look like idiots:
a. For believing her cock-and-bull story about being an Indian without vetting her hire, and
b. For promoting her as Native-American for years, and
c. For subscribing to this sort of stupid affirmative action anyway.
So now its the "Emperor's New Clothes" where its in Harvard's interest to just pretend there is no issue whatsoever. They're not going to do jack squat until and unless some external force obligates them to (ie actual Congressional investigation, etc).
Again, I don't expect that to happen under the current administration, and if (hopefully when) Warren loses either her primary or the actual Senate election, they'll just quietly let this issue fade away.
Posted by: Looking closely at May 16, 2012 10:53 AM (6Q9g2)
>>In fairness to Harvard, if they're supposed to take an applicant's word for their race at face value, then they didn't do anything "wrong" in hiring Warren as a minority.
Yeh, I'm not seeing how they could get in legal trouble for that.
BUT...I think they should be made fun of perpetually for bragging about Blondie being a person of color.
I'm half Mexican. I look it about as much as she looks Indian. And I have gotten PLENTY of attitude from people about bringing that up. I've never had anyone want to hold me up as an example of minority-ish-ness because of how Anglo I look. And I'm half! Not 1/320,000 or whatever.
Even if she looked Nat. Am., at 1/32, for them to brag about diversity...good grief.
Posted by: Mama AJ at May 16, 2012 10:53 AM (XdlcF)
I have a feeling that there's a lot of "academics" running around of late adjusting their university records.
Posted by: Max Entropy at May 16, 2012 10:54 AM (XOIFS)
If I read the genealogist correctly, the key to being a modern Cherokee is whether your ancestors made the Trail of Tears. If they didn't, then you're not.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 16, 2012 10:54 AM (bjRNS)
Posted by: Squaw Warren at May 16, 2012 10:54 AM (ex+u8)
Ultimately, the fraud is on Warren's head. Now the question is, did she actually believe cock-and-bull family "stories" about having Indian blood, or did she just make up the whole thing to secure a job?<<<
See that nose scar? Know what that means to a Cherokee? One too many bucks. Little squaw likes the bucks, huh?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 16, 2012 10:58 AM (8W5lq)
Posted by: Elizabeth "Three Wolf Moon" Warren at May 16, 2012 11:00 AM (QKKT0)
Two things in common between Fauxcahontas Warren and Kim Jong-Il: rabid anti-capitalism and loneliness.
But mostly loneliness.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 16, 2012 11:00 AM (HmCnI)
Posted by: Rich K at May 16, 2012 11:01 AM (X4l3T)
Posted by: Michelle Obama complains to Harvard registrars office. at May 16, 2012 11:01 AM (ShuAW)
Harvard is just (once again) turning itself into a laughingstock, that's all.
In terms of your Mexican heritage, one of my classmates in high school has/had a thoroughly Hispanic surname. . .because her paternal GRANDFATHER was from Spain. I don't think she even spoke a word of Spanish.
Anyway, she checked the appropriate box on her college applications, and was admitted to an Ivy League school, that she probably otherwise would not have been admitted to.
This is stupid, yes, but can I really fault her? Unlike Warren seems to have done, she didn't actually lie about anything, nor did she create the asinine rules. If those are the rules, why shouldn't she benefit? This whole kind of thing is just more reason why race-based admission/hiring is a bad idea.
I'm not even going to get into my other friend (now a professor) who is white as a sheet, but born and raised in South Africa. Which box should he check?
Posted by: Looking closely at May 16, 2012 11:02 AM (6Q9g2)
I wonder how many other libs/dems, probably in high academic positions and other places, thought nothing of checking that box. Maybe they didn't check the American Indian one, maybe they checked the American Samoan one.
What's so sad is how this is not shocking to the average person. Is everyone just plain dishonest?
Posted by: tick tock at May 16, 2012 11:03 AM (oZfic)
It sounds like Warren's 1/32nd Cherokee claim is based on a similar fiction.
Posted by: Pious Agnostic at May 16, 2012 11:08 AM (PiESu)
Posted by: Random at May 16, 2012 11:10 AM (ieFeF)
And she says she's formed a special group to prove Warren is 32/32nds white, and that they'll be releasing documents establishing this soon.
If only... If only there were some sort of a meticulous scientific laboratory test which could be applied to an individual's genetic material, and which would tell us about their actual biological ancestry.
If we had a test like that, it would be very helpful in such cases. We could call it... gosh, I don't know... how about calling it a "DNA test"?
DNA as in, "DO NOT ASSERT ancestry which you don't actually have."
Posted by: torquewrench at May 16, 2012 11:10 AM (ymG7s)
Posted by: Blaster
Unless you are a white Hispanic.
Posted by: Roy at May 16, 2012 02:47 PM (bm4vI)
Page 37... rule 2... Being part Jewish immediatly over rules any quantity of other Ethnic identity, making you automaticly 100% White.
Posted by: MSM Racial Guidebook at May 16, 2012 11:11 AM (lZBBB)
http://bit.ly/cebPyu
Posted by: OxyCon at May 16, 2012 11:11 AM (ur8o6)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 16, 2012 11:11 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 16, 2012 11:12 AM (e8kgV)
It is with great regret that we accept the resignation of Professor Elizabeth Warren. Leaving is entirely her idea. We begged her to stay. Yep. But she insists her new position is an opportunity that she simply can't refuse.
Join us in wishing Professor Warren every success in her new career, whatever it turns out to be.
Posted by: Harvard University at May 16, 2012 11:15 AM (w41GQ)
I had no idea that being able to lie like the Son of Satan was a requirement for the job.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 16, 2012 11:15 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at May 16, 2012 11:16 AM (DEfmK)
Posted by: robtr at May 16, 2012 11:18 AM (MtwBb)
I like Justice Thomas. I came across this the other day and reading it was fascinating for me. "Could Thomas Be Right?" http://tinyurl.com/74eprqf (It's old but in retrospect, it give you a lot to think about)
Posted by: tick tock at May 16, 2012 11:19 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Wooga at May 16, 2012 11:22 AM (9+AX0)
I mentioned a while back my moms side was Cherokee and that they don't really care unless you're full Cherokee. It's actually more amazing that she doesn't have any Cherokee than if she acctually did because Cherokees were one of the most common and always had good relations with whites, i'll bet at least half the people commenting in this thread are part Cherokee.
Posted by: booger at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (HI6wa)
Are nowadays made in . . .China. (Updated for 2012)
Though I wear a skirt or dress
I'm still part red girl, and all mess!
Posted by: Lizzy "Paul Revere" Warren and the Raiders at May 16, 2012 11:24 AM (exvgC)
I can barely get any peach fuzz going, but i still shave everyday, cuz it makes me feel like a big man.
Posted by: booger at May 16, 2012 11:25 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: Spike at May 16, 2012 11:26 AM (KF7IN)
I'm sure she'd be "happier with her own kind." They, her, not so much.
She'd make a hell of a Harvard grad school recruiter, over there. Knows how to check off those boxes.
That would be a true case of fitting the punishment to the crime, without doing anything at all cruel or unusual.
Posted by: comatus at May 16, 2012 11:26 AM (xqqfi)
Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:36 AM (mFIbw)
Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 03:36 PM (mFIbw)
If you are honest with yourself it's cause you are a republican/conservative and you wouldn't dream of lying outright like that.
Posted by: tick tock at May 16, 2012 11:38 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:40 AM (mFIbw)
With a love big as the sky;
Running Barack loved Little White Warren
With a love that couldn't die
(at least not until she lost her seat in Congress and couldn't vote for his policies any more)
Posted by: Zombie Johnny Preston at May 16, 2012 11:41 AM (exvgC)
Posted by: Bob at May 16, 2012 11:44 AM (PJXbW)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 16, 2012 11:49 AM (Hg5+Y)
Mahoney explicitly referred to HarvardÂ’s plan as a model plan without a quota, and then compared it to MichiganÂ’s law school policy of considering race as one factor in admissions.
Mahoney said that to achieve diversity, “a plan like the Harvard plan...can be used as an effective means [to ensure diversity].”
But when Ginsburg later referred to HarvardÂ’s admissions policy, Justice Antonin Scalia dismissed the idea of HarvardÂ’s policy as a model.
“Did the Court know that when the Harvard plan was originally adopted, its purpose was to achieve diversity by reducing the number of Jewish students from New York that were getting into Harvard on the basis of merit alone?” Scalia asked.
Scalia was referring to evidence that in the early 20th century, Harvard used a quota system to restrict the admission of Jewish students, according to Climenko Professor of Law Charles J. Ogletree, who attended yesterdayÂ’s oral arguments. But Ogletree said that ScaliaÂ’s comment had little relevance to arguments today.
“The plan Harvard has talked about is quite the contrary,” he said. “It is a plan designed to promote diversity of all points of view and to create a strong class of students.”
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 16, 2012 11:50 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at May 16, 2012 11:55 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Cheekbone-Americans at May 16, 2012 11:58 AM (Hg5+Y)
this is the heart of the matter...elizabeth warren happens to be the latest incarnation of it's use.....
Posted by: tick tock at May 16, 2012 12:01 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Elizabeth Shabazz Warren at May 16, 2012 12:02 PM (Hg5+Y)
Posted by: Chief Draggon Ballz at May 16, 2012 12:25 PM (Jls4P)
#129: You're close. The key is having an ancestor on the Dawes Rolls, a census of the Five Civilized Tribes taken when the Bureau of Indian Affairs was established.
I've seen some other people questioning the legitimacy of the Cherokee genealogist due to her 7/32 blood quantum, but the Cherokee have always been open-minded about interbreeding with other races. It's never never been about blood quantum to them; it's about whether your ancestors were a part of the Cherokee experience.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at May 16, 2012 12:26 PM (bRdb3)
Posted by: Her Highness, Princess Märtha Louise of Norway at May 16, 2012 12:27 PM (BSuxu)
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 16, 2012 12:31 PM (4q5tP)
Not just Harvard. Princeton hated Jews - but was forced to take a bunch because they were tops in their fields (especially as the Jewish mathematicians and physicists started pouring in from Europe) and Penn generally rejected Jews up until the mid 20th century. They all accepted a few, but as few as they could.
This is why CCNY used to be a premier school that produced Nobel winners (real Nobels, not the bullshit ones of today) and leading scientists by the bucketload.
Later, the racial quotas at the Ivies were used to exclude orientals.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 16, 2012 12:44 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Fritz at May 16, 2012 12:51 PM (/9E6Z)
And put us on her accreditation
She usurped our ways of life
And made a mockery of our strife
She never learned our native tongue
And taught her b*llsh*t to our young
And all the deeds we had to land
She sold to developers in Japan
Cherokee faker
Cherry key pie
So proud to steal
So proud to lie
She took 1/32 of the Indian nation
Chocked us up to her accreditation
And though her cheekbones might be high
She's no red man deep inside
Cherokee faker
Cherry key pie
So proud to steal
So proud to lie
And some day when she's learned
Cherokee Indians will return
Will return will return
Will return will return
Posted by: Red Man Inside at May 16, 2012 12:54 PM (hHgxI)
Trust the Government
Ask any Indian
The sarcasm was lost on Lying Bird Who Shits On Self (that's Warren's Indian name) or maybe it's Lying Bird Who Sits on Shelf... oh well, same dif.
Posted by: Carmelita at May 16, 2012 01:27 PM (Y/2U4)
He applied anyway because, after all, it was Notre Dame.
They admitted him.
Once the news of the miracle was absorbed and the holy water, candles and rosaries were put away, it came out that he had checked the "Native American" box on his application and filled up his essay with a lot of blarney about being a first generation college student, modest means, no one to show him the way, etc.. He said he thought that "Native American" just meant that he was born in America and not in Ireland.
True story.
Posted by: Red Will Danagher at May 16, 2012 01:36 PM (Xv7f/)
I don't mean the Senate job she's trying to get, but her tenured Harvard faculty position.
Saw something close to that happen once. Our state representative was term limited out. He got the bright idea to run his wife to replace him. Two pensions in the family!!
Her day job was running the local library which she did pretty well. Everybody liked her. More than him, really. Well, she started sending out campaign materials using the Library postal permit, probably at his behest. Needless to say, all hell broke loose ending with her losing the primary AND getting fired from the Library.
Oops.
Lesson: Being content where you are can be a blessing. Don't get greedy (or cocky). Also, don't break the law.
Posted by: Michael Curley at May 16, 2012 01:44 PM (Xv7f/)
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Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 16, 2012 08:48 PM (3yCFy)
They searched the whole Cherokee nation
Couldn't find a blood relation
Stripped away Liz Warren's lie
Left her hanging high and dry
Took away her ethnic scam
Whole diversity thing's a sham
And all the white men they did cheat
Will drag her party down to defeat
Cherokee deceitful ... Cherokee lie
So hard to forgive .. so hard to jibe
Posted by: Callmelennie at May 17, 2012 10:47 AM (GOsSG)
Exposed the whole equivocation
Voters now have reservations
Ans oh this caused my career to die
I'm feeling vengeful, can't deny
Cherokee deceitful, Cherokee lie
So hard to forgive, so hard to jibe
And maybe someday when they're burned
A sense of fairness will return
Will return, will return
Posted by: Callmelennie at May 17, 2012 10:50 AM (GOsSG)
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