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November 26, 2012

College Begins Offering Major in Pot Studies
— Ace

"Interdisciplinary." You know, I took some "interdisciplinary" courses. They were sort of interesting, but they were without much rigor -- sort of interesting bullshit sessions with a reading list. When you're pulling little bits and pieces from five different areas of scholarship you're going to be pretty glib and facile about each of them.

Anyway, I was going to knock such things but then I realized, part of the way along, "Hey, those were kind of interesting."

Oh right I was talking about something else. A major in pot.

A public university located in one of California's prime pot-growing regions has formed an academic institute devoted to marijuana.
The Humboldt Institute for Interdisciplinary Marijuana Research at Humboldt State University plans to sponsor scholarly lectures and coordinate research among 11 faculty members from fields such as economics, geography, politics, psychology and sociology.

Not mentioned: horticulture. I wonder if they'll actually teach pot-growing. But then, it's one of those things you don't have to teach, eh? Work as play. People do it on their own.

This is something really driving me crazy about "scholarship," this tendency to take people's hobbies and interests and craft some kind of faux discipline around them.

Aren't people just supposed to tend to their hobbies and interests on their own? Do they need an allegedly academic wrapper around Porn Studies or the like?

Not only does that tendency cheapen (down to nothing) the idea of scholarship, but it also indirectly pushes an insidious line of reasoning: that one can only learn or become more interesting (or interested) via a formal academic process with class credits and lecture halls and so on. Didn't we used to have reading clubs and other special-interest clubs for this sort of thing, this quasi-scholarly socializing/hobbyist interest thing? Isn't the "academicization" of stuff that's really Just Interesting Things kind of reducing instead of expanding the pursuit of Interesting Things? I'm starting to think that the academy is too important to be left to academics.

Anyway:

"If anyone is going to have a marijuana institute, it really should be Humboldt State," economist Erick Eschker, the institute's co-chair, told the newspaper. .

Wink.

Posted by: Ace at 02:31 PM | Comments (159)
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1 Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 26, 2012 02:32 PM (pLTLS)

2 Just what Humboldt County needed to push the hippie population up.

Posted by: no good deed at November 26, 2012 02:33 PM (mjR67)

3 I forgot what I was thinking.....

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 26, 2012 02:35 PM (nw0Vt)

4 Professor Beavis grades on the curve.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 26, 2012 02:35 PM (ndlFj)

5 I think the ivy league schools already offer porn studies classes, don't they?

Posted by: L, elle at November 26, 2012 02:35 PM (0PiQ4)

6 Academia needs some serious gutting.

Posted by: mama winger at November 26, 2012 02:36 PM (P6QsQ)

Two blue states just told the Feds to take their law and shove it up their ass.

This is all win, whatever you think of weed.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 02:36 PM (OQpzc)

8 Pot growing is a marketable skill in states where marijuana is legal. Sounds like a growth industry to me. My town has six marijuana stores. Presumably each one employs horticulturalists. I wonder what that pays...

Posted by: Jordan at November 26, 2012 02:37 PM (jRfn3)

9 and this is why, as Jamie Foxx has declared, that "Barack Obama is our Lord and Saviour." Wonders what a little pot does to those rational thinking types! whooohoooo

Posted by: Dolley Payne Todd Madison at November 26, 2012 02:37 PM (KI7Dk)

10 Weed and porn? The Horde would overwhelm registration.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 02:38 PM (GEICT)

11 Better than "Womyn/Myn, Transgenders and Bestiality", I guess.

Posted by: eureka! at November 26, 2012 02:38 PM (UL+ny)

12 Since I was eating dinner and missed the last thread,I'll comment here.The left never has a problem showing contempt towards conservatives.Doesn't seem to hurt them.I can think of numerous examples.

Posted by: steevy at November 26, 2012 02:41 PM (9XBK2)

13 Posted by: eureka! at November 26, 2012 06:38 PM (UL+ny)

You should read our city council minutes.

Posted by: Arcata at November 26, 2012 02:41 PM (mjR67)

14 One of my cousins is studying to get her license in ~~dealing~~ providing medical marijuana.

Posted by: huerfano at November 26, 2012 02:41 PM (bAGA/)

15 Clearly, more grant money is needed for research.

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 26, 2012 02:41 PM (nw0Vt)

16 My father used to say something along the lines of "being an engineer is a vocation. being an artist is an avocation."

Posted by: the other coyote at November 26, 2012 02:41 PM (yK44T)

17 Welcome to class, who brought the pizza?

Posted by: Prof. Jeff Spicoli at November 26, 2012 02:42 PM (pXbBk)

18 I studied it in grad school. My deduction? Hash is best.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 02:42 PM (wR+pz)

19 So is Sean Penn the Dean of this school?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 26, 2012 02:42 PM (wb1e3)

20 And ace,I read the whole thing.Didn't even make it to the comments.

Posted by: steevy at November 26, 2012 02:43 PM (9XBK2)

21 When are we going to start the coke course?

I am in.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at November 26, 2012 02:43 PM (wR+pz)

22 This should dovetail nicely with that post from yesterday about 'The More "Educated" Blue States'.

Education = College Degree = A Mob of College Educated Shiftless Cocksuckers (aka OWS).

Posted by: Portnoy at November 26, 2012 02:43 PM (A5Abh)

23 I would criticize, but I was quite happy with my minor in Probabilistic Medieval Tactical Simulations.

Posted by: Methos at November 26, 2012 02:43 PM (hO9ad)

24 Soooooo...high school is finally going to pay off for me!!!! Righteous....dood.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 26, 2012 02:44 PM (1UW40)

25 It was a double minor with Spontaneous Theatre.

Posted by: Methos at November 26, 2012 02:45 PM (hO9ad)

26 you can take a hooker to a museum but you can't take a horticulture

Posted by: thunderb at November 26, 2012 02:45 PM (Dnbau)

27 23 I would criticize, but I was quite happy with my minor in Probabilistic Medieval Tactical Simulations. Posted by: Methos at November 26, 2012 06:43 PM (hO9ad) aka- Total War. :-)

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 26, 2012 02:45 PM (1UW40)

28 Turn the quiet up, turn the noise down Let this ol' world just spin around I wanna feel it sway, wanna feel it sway And put some feel good in my soul Drink a little drink, smoke a little smoke eric church

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 26, 2012 02:46 PM (GVxQo)

29 Medieval Tactical Simulations.

Posted by: Methos at November 26, 2012 06:43 PM (hO9ad)

Trebuchets and stirrups.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 02:47 PM (OQpzc)

30 So, interests are courses. My number 1 interest in college was having as much sex with my girlfriend (now Mrs. 1981) as I could. That would've been an awesome class.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 02:48 PM (GEICT)

31 Jordan, STFU, dunce.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 02:48 PM (ETO1s)

32 Pr0n is okay recreationally, but as a college major it just becomes work.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2012 02:49 PM (QKKT0)

33 At least the grads from this field of study have a good chance to land a job, even if it might mean working for the Mexican cartels.

Hey! Reverse migration.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 26, 2012 02:50 PM (ccXZP)

34 7 Two blue states just told the Feds to take their law and shove it up their ass.

This is all win, whatever you think of weed.

You may have a point. Defying Leviathan can be habit-forming, not unlike pot. Whiskey Rebellion anyone?

Posted by: pep at November 26, 2012 02:50 PM (6TB1Z)

35 As someone who grew up in farming country, I can state without reservation that farm boys grow the best pot.

Posted by: huerfano at November 26, 2012 02:50 PM (bAGA/)

36 Linky kilt my browser.

Posted by: sTevo at November 26, 2012 02:51 PM (VMcEw)

37 I am happy to report we have appointed Cheech and Chong as tenured professors.

http://tinyurl.com/d7d6u7h

Posted by: Zombie Dean Wormer at November 26, 2012 02:51 PM (wR+pz)

38 Just one more symptom of a decadent, decaying (former) civilization crumbling all around us.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 26, 2012 02:51 PM (vIRPd)

39 I thought I majored in that.

Posted by: Cricket at November 26, 2012 02:51 PM (2ArJQ)

40 I think studying pot is fine if they pay for it themselves.

also if it becomes legal (and i don't really care if it does) I think we should be prepared to hear chirping from health care nuts about the effects of the tar or any lung or second hand smoke hazards.

however what will happen is mthly food stamp rates will necessarily skyrocket.

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 02:52 PM (hX8cq)

41 Meanwhile,Tobacco is evil and must be taxed to extinction.

Posted by: steevy at November 26, 2012 02:52 PM (9XBK2)

42 Can I buy some pot from you?

Posted by: Pinto at November 26, 2012 02:52 PM (QKKT0)

43 Your first study assignment, don't bogart that joint.

http://tinyurl.com/ct9ckgr

Posted by: Zombie Dean Wormer at November 26, 2012 02:53 PM (wR+pz)

44 I'm all for legalization of pot, prohibition has been a colossal failure. Having said that, any kid of mine that wants to measure in marijuana studies is paying his own damn tuition.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 26, 2012 02:53 PM (+lsX1)

45 "Not only does that tendency cheapen (down to nothing) the idea of scholarship, but it also indirectly pushes an insidious line of reasoning: that one can only learn or become more interesting (or interested) via a formal academic process with class credits and lecture halls and so on." The Education system must come to encompass everything. Only then can true Progress truly come about.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 26, 2012 02:53 PM (vIRPd)

46 "also if it becomes legal (and i don't really care if it does) I think we should be prepared to hear chirping from health care nuts about the effects of the tar or any lung or second hand smoke hazards." My town just banned smoking tobacco in public places at the same time the state legalized pot for all adults. Seems a little hypocritical to me.

Posted by: Jordan at November 26, 2012 02:54 PM (jRfn3)

47 Looking back, I wish I had taken more hours of Relative Anatomy.

Posted by: Methos at November 26, 2012 02:55 PM (hO9ad)

48 "Didn't we used to have reading clubs and other special-interest clubs for this sort of thing, this quasi-scholarly socializing/hobbyist interest thing?" Freedom is Evil. If you were educated (well, Educated), you'd understand as much.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 26, 2012 02:55 PM (vIRPd)

49 Make sure to hold that smoke in.

Posted by: The Choom Gang at November 26, 2012 02:55 PM (wR+pz)

50 You should read our city council minutes. Posted by: Arcata at November 26, 2012 06:41 PM

Funneh. And true I know. I've spent time there. Arcata is truly a gathering of, uh, there really are no words.

Posted by: eureka! at November 26, 2012 02:55 PM (UL+ny)

Can students get Federal Student Loans to major in Pot Studies?

And if so...wouldn't that be subsidizing and furthering the cause of nationwide legalization?

But if the Feds deny student loans to some areas of study, then that would be discrimination.

This will be interesting.

Posted by: wheatie at November 26, 2012 02:56 PM (ICEh3)

52 The Barack H. Obama Institute for Choom Studies... Dude.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at November 26, 2012 02:56 PM (Mwakv)

53 I think as a major platform change we should strategically amend our platform to wholeheartedly endorse legalization of pot. It will accomplish a number of positive political points.

1. We will get some "cool" points.
2. The irrational libertarians may be able to convince themselves to vote for us.
3. We could hand out dime bags a day before the election and suppress Democrat turnout by 15 points or more.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 02:56 PM (0q2P7)

54 Doctor of Choomological Studies?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2012 02:57 PM (QKKT0)

55 We have viniculture studies, so.... Chemically, marijuana is very complex; delta-9 THC is just one of dozens of compounds in it. It's also not easy to grow good marijuana -- there's a reason for the term ditchweed. Now, I can't see this being a major (there's just not enough scholarship for 4 years) but certainly a minor or a concentration in a horticulture major.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 02:57 PM (dZ756)

56 I didn't inhale.

Posted by: Bill CLinton at November 26, 2012 02:58 PM (2ArJQ)

57 You didn't grow that weed by yourself.

Posted by: Barry at November 26, 2012 02:58 PM (ru2C5)

58 56 I didn't inhale.

Posted by: Bill CLinton at November 26, 2012 06:58 PM (2ArJQ)

I didn't swallow.

Posted by: Monica at November 26, 2012 02:58 PM (wR+pz)

59 Let it burn. No, seriously.

Posted by: The Mega Independen at November 26, 2012 02:59 PM (6JMZR)

60 14 One of my cousins is studying to get her license in dealing providing medical marijuana.
Posted by: huerfano

She could go to med school and become a federally-licensed drug dealer. Rush Limbaugh had one of those.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 02:59 PM (dZ756)

61 this is becoming reefer madness.

Posted by: grease monkey at November 26, 2012 02:59 PM (VSWPU)

62 Humboldt is truly an institution of higher learning.

Posted by: Groucho at November 26, 2012 02:59 PM (2ArJQ)

63 I didn't inhale.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 26, 2012 06:58 PM

He also said he wouldn't cum in my mouth.

Posted by: The Original Lewinsky at November 26, 2012 03:00 PM (BAnPT)

64 *Thwap thwap thwap!* That's my SKULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at November 26, 2012 03:01 PM (jucos)

65 Later, all. God bless.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 26, 2012 03:01 PM (vIRPd)

66 One of the reasons I'm in favor of legalizing the home growing of marijuana is because I grow crops myself. Not mary-jane, but stuff you can actually consume. It's no picnic. Everything must be perfect, water, soil, temperature, wind speed, ad infinitude. I'd really like to see the average liberal grow something with their own two hands without 'outsourcing' to Jose, their landscaper. Not. Gonna. Happen.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 26, 2012 03:01 PM (feFL6)

67 It's like I push these buttons on my computer thing and letters show up on the internet.

Posted by: Hopped Up on Something at November 26, 2012 03:01 PM (+paCV)

Let's be honest, a major in growing good weed is likely one of the most useful majors one can have given all the bullshit college is full of.

Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Night morans.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 26, 2012 03:02 PM (tVTLU)

69 That's a final exam I'd like to take. Amirite?

Posted by: Sergeant Humor at November 26, 2012 03:02 PM (6JMZR)

70 Ward, Beaver wants to major in pot.

Posted by: June Cleaver at November 26, 2012 03:03 PM (2ArJQ)

71 Limbaugh had one of those.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 06:59 PM (dZ756)

When you've blown out a disk and will do anything to get out of pain, report back and let us know if you still feel like such a superior human.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 03:03 PM (OQpzc)

72
>>>I'd really like to see the average liberal grow something with their own two hands without 'outsourcing' to Jose, their landscaper. Not. Gonna. Happen.

you.would.be.surprised

Go check out a Occupy gathering and ask "What type of hydroponics works the best" or "are LEDs really better than fluorescent" and prepare to be amazed.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 03:03 PM (0q2P7)

73 "Not mentioned: horticulture. I wonder if they'll actually teach pot-growing. But then, it's one of those things you don't have to teach, eh? Work as play. People do it on their own." http://tinyurl.com/bqo7c6n "ARCATA, Calif. (AP) Â— Happily isolated on California's remote Humboldt County coast, ... ... Pacific Gas & Electric Co. reports that 633 homes Â— one in 15Â— are using that much juice, indicating they are raising pot rather than families." ~~people~~ ~~hippies~~ ~~the Zig Zag man~~ ~~do it on their own.~~ Industry does it ... a violent industry, with lots of guns ...

Posted by: Larches Sojnnoh at November 26, 2012 03:03 PM (E2Xft)

I saw the picture of the young ~~stoner~~ scholar on Drudge.

Very dark circles for such a young man.

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2012 03:04 PM (3SvjA)

I already received my PhD in Porn studies. On line courses, naturally.

Posted by: Not the Master of my domain at November 26, 2012 03:04 PM (mV8sg)

76 ... duuude ....

Posted by: Larches Sojnnoh at November 26, 2012 03:04 PM (E2Xft)

Oh, and this is how we reach out to libertarian types.

Conservatives/limited government types on Supreme Court upheld right of states to legalize marijuana.

Libs/statists on court went after the state's right under the federal government powers.

The lefty/liberal government is the big brother we need to be afraid of.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 26, 2012 03:04 PM (tVTLU)

78 He also said he wouldn't cum in my mouth.

Posted by: The Original Lewinsky at November 26, 2012 07:00 PM (BAnPT)

No, I said, I'd just put the head in.

Posted by: Ole Bill Clinton at November 26, 2012 03:05 PM (wR+pz)

79 Lemme guess; the daily curriculum will be viewing Oliver Stone's Savages while aqua-lunging Humboldt's finest. If you make it past your first total absorption session, you get to write alternate endings, - for the director's cut.

And Cheetos.

Posted by: Fritz at November 26, 2012 03:05 PM (d8K+M)

80 I love horticulture.

Posted by: Eiliot Spitzer at November 26, 2012 03:06 PM (2ArJQ)

81 "viewing Oliver Stone's Savages while aqua-lunging Humboldt's finest ... And Cheetos." Throw in a football game and that sounds like an enjoyable Sunday afternoon.

Posted by: Jordan at November 26, 2012 03:07 PM (jRfn3)

82 Toking and Tokenism: The intersection of Race and Culture at the American University

Posted by: Humboldt Course Catalog at November 26, 2012 03:07 PM (2ArJQ)

83 Toking and Tokenism

Oh boy, reading the Lord of the Rings stoned again. Memories.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 03:09 PM (wR+pz)

84 The Repubs could easily take the lead on getting the feds out of the MJ prohibition era. It's a natural fit to state's rights, limited government in DC, and even personal responsibility.

So, it'll never happen. Not as leaders anyhow. See, the thing is that old people, which is their biggest voting bloc, are against it. That's your law and order crowd, and a big anti-drug crowd too. On this point, I do know exactly what I'm talking about.

So it would take a bold move on our part. That ain't exactly their strong point.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 26, 2012 03:10 PM (ccXZP)

85
Duke University meet your west cost cousin Dude University.

Posted by: Chancellor Choom at November 26, 2012 03:10 PM (Pczp2)

86 The STUPIDING of American academia. I'm sadly not surprised. (My old and old-fashioned professors, who actually taught what Shakespeare, for example, actually meant, would be appalled and also not surprised.) Hey, in this "new" America some of you keep talking about, any room for a professor who wants to teach actual literature, and not "isms" or movies or songs or other such twaddle?

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at November 26, 2012 03:11 PM (7v5Ct)

87 re: "My town just banned smoking tobacco in public places at the same time the state legalized pot for all adults. Seems a little hypocritical to me."

Hypocrisy is irrelevant. Laws aren't products of moral reasoning. They're official acknowledgements of rank.

Losers smoke. Winners smoke weed. Losers get laws against whatever they like to do, and Winners get laws...against Losers.

It's universal.

Posted by: oblig. at November 26, 2012 03:12 PM (cePv8)

88 **Isn't the "academicization" of stuff that's really Just Interesting Things kind of reducing instead of expanding the pursuit of Interesting Things? I'm starting to think that the academy is too important to be left to academics.** Yup. Over credentialization is bad. Also, the idea that your college degree is worth something other than a white person status symbol is kinda sad too. Um, no, your degree just means you got a student loan. thank you, grade inflation. The student is the customer, and they're always right.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 03:13 PM (QxSug)

89
Here their song for football games.
http://tinyurl.com/3fxz7mh

Posted by: Chancellor Choom at November 26, 2012 03:14 PM (Pczp2)

90 Clean Machine: Academic Studies in the Art of Deseeding Pot Using a Classic Double Album Cover

Posted by: Humboldt Course Catalog at November 26, 2012 03:15 PM (2ArJQ)

91 We don't see a problem with this...

Posted by: Professor Cheech and Professor Chong at November 26, 2012 03:15 PM (sZTYJ)

92 Banging Hookers and Doin' Blow.
Would those be separate courses?
Because they go together so well.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 26, 2012 03:16 PM (Qxdfp)

93 Pot will be the new wrath of Republicans on social issues? Get a life!

Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 03:16 PM (mvydb)

94 My course is good stuff. It's not a rip-off because that would be a bummer. Bummer. Bummer. Bummer.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqK-o7loiN8

Posted by: doctor braino at November 26, 2012 03:17 PM (3OmJs)

95 Bowls, Bongs, and Brownies: Preferred Delivery Methods of Medicinal Marijuana...a course study.

Posted by: no good deed at November 26, 2012 03:17 PM (mjR67)

96
Farm out mon!

Posted by: 60's Hippie Puke at November 26, 2012 03:17 PM (lDWQr)

97 Holy Rollers: Legendary Figures in the Pot-Rolling Community

Posted by: Humboldt Course Catalog at November 26, 2012 03:17 PM (2ArJQ)

98 @ 77 Prescient11
Good luck getting Conservatives to support Weed legalization. Stopping pot legalization will be the SoCons new cause!

Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 03:18 PM (mvydb)

Hey at Humboldt State in Northern California marijuana is "the" important local crop. If UC Davis and Cal State Fresno can have enoculture and viticulture programs, and if a little podunk community college like Walla Walla Community College can have a two year winemaking program, why can't Humboldt State teach the local "farmers". I mean that's what all the "A&M" land grant schools did.

And of course San Francisco State could have a program for tranny hookers, but I digress.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 26, 2012 03:18 PM (oe1aw)

100 When really good American hops started to show up, about 25 years ago, I wondered if horticultural research grants from the Northwestern states had been a factor. I got my answer: there were already scores of plant-breeding experts at work up there, from That Other Industry. The high-acid hops cultivars were child's play to the progenitors of Maui Wowie.

We laugh and joke at this, like lodge brothers who just snuck in one case of Seagram's across the Ambassador Bridge. No, guys, this is a very big [criminal] enterprise, not somebody's wacky hobby. People get killed over access to the marketplace. It is work, hard, exacting work, and they are dead serious about it.
I don't think any of their students are applying for Pell grants or need-based scholarships, or worrying about paying back their student loans.

When I came out of college, it was engineers whose job prospects were in the shitter. Maybe some of us here should pull our kids out of law school or teacher school and get them into a field with real growth prospects. Dude.

Posted by: comatus at November 26, 2012 03:19 PM (qaVK+)

101 If you think this "cheapens scholarship," you should see the shit I do.

Posted by: Cornell West at November 26, 2012 03:19 PM (2ArJQ)

102 Only sort of related to the post, I've sometimes wondered whether the idea of university research was that good an idea. In the old days, if you wanted to spend your time as a researcher rather than a teacher, you needed private patrons who used their own, often ill-gotten lucre, to fund you. No it's politics rather than intellectual value to distributes the money.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 26, 2012 03:19 PM (QupBk)

103 Grad Seminar: Marijuana and the Hostess Company closing

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 26, 2012 03:19 PM (Yhu4q)

104 Now it's politics

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 26, 2012 03:20 PM (QupBk)

105 A culinary arts program can't be far behind.

Posted by: no good deed at November 26, 2012 03:20 PM (mjR67)

106 Cornell West are the grateist grifter of our genarashin.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 26, 2012 03:21 PM (BAnPT)

107
Oh yeah, marijuana infused Twinkies for the thinking class.

Posted by: Peter Fonda at November 26, 2012 03:21 PM (lDWQr)

108

A stoned populace is more intent on eating pizza and playing with the family dog than critically thinking or challenging authority, and is also more easily distracted by games and entertainments. Meanwhile, the number of welfare recipients increases geometrically. Power and money seem to be consolidating in the national capital, to the detriment of the provinces--er, states.

Something about all this is somehow vaguely familiar. Can't seem to put my finger on it....

Posted by: troyriser at November 26, 2012 03:22 PM (vtiE6)

109 Legalize it. Then morons with cancer can enjoy it on their patios and then toast marshmallows.

Posted by: NCKate at November 26, 2012 03:22 PM (V1oS8)

110 Cornell West are the grateist grifter of our genarashin.

*cough*

Posted by: Professor Ward Churchill at November 26, 2012 03:22 PM (QKKT0)

111 Eh, I'm outraged out completely. Fuckin' they should put in a pole dancing interdisciplinary study outfit in CSU Chico if they're doing this. Tons of sluts there. TONS. Eh, might as well offer a major in being a stupid fuckin' whore. Who knows, maybe Meggie Mac can get another degree.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 26, 2012 03:22 PM (IOSGZ)

112 This really comes as no surprise, because many, many moons ago, I had an anthropology professor who was a totally wasted fuckstick. All he wanted to do was babble about his experiences dropping peyote and magic mushrooms with Mexican Indians, read Carlos Castaneda novels, and pontificate about how he perceived himself to be a new-age shaman.

Tie-dyed ponchos and gaucho hats FTW, baby!

Posted by: Fritz at November 26, 2012 03:23 PM (d8K+M)

113 Can I minor in Moon Pie Studies?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 26, 2012 03:23 PM (Lxw+T)

114 Good luck getting Conservatives to support Weed legalization. Stopping pot legalization will be the SoCons new cause!

Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 07:18 PM (mvydb)

Wrong. I'm a socon. Legalize all of it. I don't give a shit. I care about murdering babies, not if you decide to numb your brain for a while. If you kill someone while high, I'll vote to end you, but if you can maintain, knock yourself out.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 03:25 PM (OQpzc)

115

An awful lot of 40+ somethings have picked the weed back up. All walks of life and professions.

Posted by: Daily Dish at November 26, 2012 03:26 PM (+b3dK)

116 What about my vagina?

Posted by: Naomi Wolf at November 26, 2012 03:26 PM (2ArJQ)

117 silly libs think legalization is cause uncle sugar loves them and wants them to be happy. uncle sugar wants to stop the black market of pot so he can tax the shit out of it. uncle sugar doesn't like competition its just another way to tax the populace good luck stopping the black market

Posted by: thunderb at November 26, 2012 03:26 PM (Dnbau)

118 @ 108 troyriser

You are full of it. What about alcohol, why hasn't that had a negative effect? Then again, you probably want to ban alcohol as well.

Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 03:26 PM (mvydb)

119 71 Limbaugh had one of those.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 06:59 PM (dZ756)

When you've blown out a disk and will do anything to get out of pain, report back and let us know if you still feel like such a superior human. Posted by: Invictus

My dad had major back surgery in 1978 resulting from injuries sustained while serving the U.S. State Dept. in Laos and Thailand during the 60's and early 70's. He got hooked on morphine but went cold turkey for a week. He was miserable -- lied in bed all day in the dark, us 3 kids had to be completely quiet, etc. So you know what Mr. "My Drugs are Great and Yours Suck"? Fuck off. My dad didn't go around crucifying marijuana users while buying schedule 2 painkillers on the sly. My dad also knew he had to get off the dope while Rush apparently enjoyed it so much, he became a criminal. Rush could've easily -- with all his $ and connections -- gotten into a drug-treatment health spa. Keep supporting the pill industry!

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 03:27 PM (dZ756)

120 @114 Invictus
Alcohol causes more violence than weed. Why are you not worried about drinking?

Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 03:28 PM (mvydb)

121 Apropos of nothing, the IgnoreUsers plugin is teh sweet http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/142617

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 26, 2012 03:29 PM (QupBk)

122 Looks like it's just me and my homies here in the box

Posted by: Jack in the Box at November 26, 2012 03:30 PM (2ArJQ)

123 I don't give a shit about pot, or pot-growing. What I'm leery of is pot culture. I would be totally gung-ho, rather than mildly supportive, of widespread pot legalization if I were more certain that the plurality of wannabe Savages at legalization rallies aren't so preoccupied with the mystical/rebellious/illegality of it, that they wouldn't instantly shift towards crusading for opiates and even synthetics upon n.o.r.m.l.cy. All that said, I'm not as dismissive of the notion of Pot Studies programs, specifically their potential for neutering the above problem. What way is there to make something uncool quite like establishmentarianism? How many art forms, from painting to opera to jazz to film to even rock n roll, have lost their vitality immediately upon cooption by the academy?

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 26, 2012 03:31 PM (jfUIE)

124 @114 Invictus Alcohol causes more violence than weed. Why are you not worried about drinking? Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 07:28 PM (mvydb) I hear that alot. And you do hear about mean drunks, but not necessarily mean stoners. Its hard determine because most people who are stoned have been drinking too. Then there was the kid in Long Island that was speeding while stoned and killed his two buddies. His parents are now getting the shit sued out of them by the victims parents. I suspect it is a wive's tale that stoners don't cause as much mayhem as drunks.

Posted by: thunderb at November 26, 2012 03:32 PM (Dnbau)

125 Big deal,i studied that intensively in the /70's

Posted by: cdajoe at November 26, 2012 03:33 PM (OlZ2k)

126 connections -- gotten into a drug-treatment health spa. Keep supporting the pill industry!

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 07:27 PM (dZ756)

I quit pain meds over a very fucking long weekend. Don't preach to me about drugs. I felt that shit and I will never second guess someone who tries to find an end to the pain. I finally got to the point, after many epidurals, to refuse to be on a doctor's leash.

You are out to lunch if you think I give the first flying fuck what you put in your own body. I will defend Limbaugh on this point.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 03:34 PM (OQpzc)

127 How much money do municipalities spend reviving chronic stoners? Probably not much. Chronic drunks and pill poppers? Plenty.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 03:35 PM (dZ756)

128 Alcohol causes more violence than weed. Why are you not worried about drinking?

Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 07:28 PM (mvydb)

I don't remember saying anything about being against weed or any other drug. If I left that impression, I didn't mean to.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 03:36 PM (OQpzc)

129 *shrug* It's been sold legally and taxed here in Colorado for the last three years. I pay both state and local sales tax on it, like any other commodity. Medical marijuana (and now full legalization) have nearly destroyed the black market here. Prices have dropped through the floor and quality has gone sky-high as legal retailers battle each other for customers.

Posted by: Jordan at November 26, 2012 03:37 PM (jRfn3)

130 >>>@114 Invictus
Alcohol causes more violence than weed. Why are you not worried about drinking?

Humans have had 10000 years of evolution adjusting to alcohol in their culture. You can down three beers a night every evening of your life and never have an adverse affect on your life. As a matter of fact, statistically you'll live longer than a non-drinker.

You smoke three joints a night, you will get chronic effects from the weed. I am all for legalizing weed*, but folks like you need to stop lying about how completely harmless it is. There are side effects to frequent habitual use. They will be realized. Society (that is hard working productive people) should not have to pay for them.

*The very same day I don't have to support a pot head through the guise of public assistance.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 03:37 PM (0q2P7)

131 It's been sold legally and taxed here in Colorado for the last three years. I pay both state and local sales tax on it, like any other commodity. Much is explained. On a shocking note, Gene Chizik out as Auburn coach after a 3-9 season and a 49-0 beating by Alabama.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 26, 2012 03:40 PM (QupBk)

132 >>>How much money do municipalities spend reviving chronic stoners? Probably not much. Chronic drunks and pill poppers? Plenty.

You pay plenty for weed users. Just not in rehab. No matter how much weed affects someone's life they seem to be content with it and never seek help.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 03:41 PM (0q2P7)

133 "On a shocking note, Gene Chizik out as Auburn coach after a 3-9 season and a 49-0 beating by Alabama." Heh heh. Loved it. Bama could have scored 100 in that game, but Saban took his first team out at the beginning of the third. If we beat Georgia, I'm thinking of going to Miami for the big game. Too bad pot isn't legal there.

Posted by: Jordan at November 26, 2012 03:43 PM (jRfn3)

134 I suspect it is a wive's tale that stoners don't cause as much mayhem as drunks. Posted by: thunderb

It's wives' tale -- think about it. ;->
////

#130 You can down three beers a night every evening of your life and never have an adverse affect on your life. As a matter of fact, statistically you'll live longer than a non-drinker.

You smoke three joints a night, you will get chronic effects from the weed.
///
First of all, the % of alcohol in beer has gone up significantly since craft brewing first caught on large-scale in the 80's. Stuff's way over 5% now. Three pints of those 6% beers is like more than a sixer of Bud (at least the Bud back in the day). Second, most recreational smokers don't smoke multiple joints (unless they're sharing) -- it's usually several hits. Smoking 3 joints would be like doing double shots of Wild Turkey -- 3 of those a night (101 proof) and you have a problem.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 03:43 PM (dZ756)

135 @ 130 MikeTheMoose
But you are OK with Alcohol being legal. Typical hypocritical stance.

Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 03:43 PM (mvydb)

136 First. Dude.

Posted by: Humbolt State Weed Valedictorian Summa Cum Baked at November 26, 2012 03:45 PM (qs9G3)

137

This is crazy. Legalize it and stfu. We have bigger problems. If you smoke before a battle, I'll break you.

With freedom comes responsibility. This is not complicated.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 03:51 PM (OQpzc)

138 Some sock-link reading for you libertarian fucks who think Big Government is going to do you a favor on legalization.

Posted by: doctor braino at November 26, 2012 03:55 PM (3OmJs)

139

Keeping drugs illegal is about keeping them more profitable than gold.

Wake up, folks.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 03:59 PM (OQpzc)

140 >>>But you are OK with Alcohol being legal. Typical hypocritical stance.

I said I was OK with cannabis being legal too. Too bad you can't read.

>>>Three pints of those 6% beers is like more than a sixer of Bud

More like a little less than 5. Try your math again.

>>Smoking 3 joints would be like doing double shots of Wild Turkey -- 3 of those a night (101 proof) and you have a problem.

Ok fine, we'll use your standard of equivalency. 5 regular beers a night vs 2 joints a night. 5 beers a night? Totally sustainable long term with fewer side effects than smoking 2 joints a night.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 04:01 PM (0q2P7)

141 >>>With freedom comes responsibility. This is not complicated.

Yet no one wants to lobby for responsibility.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 04:03 PM (0q2P7)

142 "The Humboldt Institute for Interdisciplinary Marijuana Research " I get this image of an oceanography research boat full of guys studying huge man-sized carnivorous squid while getting SOooo baked man. So-oo-oooo baked. Y'know what man? I think I forgot to load the camera. We gotta turn the boat around try that again man.

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 26, 2012 04:11 PM (CCHli)

143 "5 regular beers a night vs 2 joints a night. 5 beers a night? Totally sustainable long term with fewer side effects than smoking 2 joints a night. " Given the potency of today's pot, smoking two joints a night seems unlikely. Also, five beers a night isn't sustainable except for a very active or large-framed individual. That's over 25% of daily calories in beer. Most people would become fat quickly on five beers a night.

Posted by: Jordan at November 26, 2012 04:12 PM (jRfn3)

144 Smoking 2 joints would be equivalent to 4 shots of 100 proof. Apples to Apples please. 2 puffs equal 2-3 glasses of merlot far as I know. You know, from what I've observed an shit.

Posted by: Daily Dish at November 26, 2012 04:14 PM (+b3dK)

145
Humboldt State - SAT Scores and Admissions Data

Percent of Applicants Admitted: 83%

Test Scores -- 25th / 75th Percentile

SAT Critical Reading: 460 / 580
SAT Math: 450 / 570

Cal-State Underachiever....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 26, 2012 04:15 PM (kdS6q)

146 >>>Smoking 2 joints would be equivalent to 4 shots of 100 proof. Apples to Apples please.

4 shots of 100 proof equal 5 shots at 80 proof equals 5 beers.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 04:18 PM (0q2P7)

147 >>>Also, five beers a night isn't sustainable except for a very active or large-framed individual. That's over 25% of daily calories in beer. Most people would become fat quickly on five beers a night.

Yet drinking of beer used to be far greater than that. So no I reject your calorie sustainability argument based on over a 1000 years of beer drinking far in excess of 60 oz a day.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 04:21 PM (0q2P7)

148 Ha! Got me. Let's just say 2 joints of today's pot and you wouldn't move from a chair and the TV for 8 hours as long as someone brought you something to eat every hour on the hour.

Posted by: Daily Dish at November 26, 2012 04:21 PM (+b3dK)

149 144 Smoking 2 joints would be equivalent to 4 shots of 100 proof. Apples to Apples please. 2 puffs equal 2-3 glasses of merlot far as I know. You know, from what I've observed an shit. Posted by: Daily Dish

Finally, someone not making comparisons up. I don't know anyone who smokes multiple joints a night -- or at all. Joints are generally shared. Even those I know who do bong hits do 2-3. Smoking 2-3 entire joints would take too much time anyway. But why let reality get in the way of hyperbole?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 04:22 PM (dZ756)

150 Full disclosure: Haven't read the thread. Don't do drugs of any sort, including alcohol. Pro-drug legalization. Fuck, I hate potheads.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at November 26, 2012 04:22 PM (72afg)

151 Smoking cigarettes is BAD, but smoking mariuana is fine?

Posted by: In Toto at November 26, 2012 04:38 PM (MMTJh)

152 >>>Finally, someone not making comparisons up... But why let reality get in the way of hyperbole?

I used your standard. That 5 beers = 2 joints. Or rather one double of 101 equals one joint which means 5 beers (totally sustainable) equals 2 joints.

Now if you don't like the comparison and want to get into "most folks I see"
I would agree most folks I know who use pot are not smoking near that much.

I would also say that 90% of them have problems being responsible (Holding down a job, providing for themselves etc)

Whereas 90% of the people I know who use alcohol regularly (exclusive to pot use including even some known alcoholics) don't have issues being responsible in their lives.

If you want to diverge from the discussion that cannabis has known chronic effects following chronic use even at low doses where alcohol does not, and get into personal anecdote I'm fine with that too.

My whole point not was that pot should be illegal. Simply that proponents of its use should be more honest about it. It is far from a 0 side effects drug, and does not compare favorably to alcohol use. Those that portend otherwise are fighting an uphill battle toward legalization.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 26, 2012 04:46 PM (0q2P7)

153 108 troyriser You are full of it. What about alcohol, why hasn't that had a negative effect? Then again, you probably want to ban alcohol as well. Posted by: Up in Smoke at November 26, 2012 07:26 PM (mvydb) I'm a recovering drunk and addict with 11 years, 8 months, and two weeks of continuous sobriety, and no, I don't want to ban alcohol and could frankly care less if people want to drink or smoke dope when they're not driving, operating heavy machinery or performing brain surgery. I was making an observation: a stoned and/or drunk populace poses a lesser threat to authoritarian rulers than a sober and critically thinking populace. It is also my belief that most television is mindless for a reason. The last thing ruling elites want is a sizeable clearly thinking, actively doing class of free men and women. As an aside, I have yet to meet a long-time stoner, someone who has smoked dope heavily and regularly for years, who has anything worthwhile to say. They are, by and large, self-indulgent idiots and losers.

Posted by: troyriser at November 26, 2012 06:31 PM (ptcFO)

154 #153As an aside, I have yet to meet a long-time stoner, someone who has smoked dope heavily and regularly for years, who has anything worthwhile to say. They are, by and large, self-indulgent idiots and losers.

Self-select much do you? Where do you live? If you're near an airport into which I do a mileage run (or there's another reason for me to go there) let's meet up and we'll discuss all kinds of subject matters, from California's anti-SLAPP statute to whether Germany would have done substantially better against the USSR if it had installed long-barreled 50 mm cannons on its Mark IV tanks, as Hitler wanted, rather than the 37mm short-barreled kind. We can also discuss the Laffer curve and how the Congress of Vienna determined the shape of Europe for decades.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 06:40 PM (JKVMB)

155 osted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 10:40 PM (JKVMB) Thin-skinned much? And note the qualifier: 'by and large'. I would love to have met the late Terrence McKenna, for example: brilliant, quirky, out-of-the-box, and stoned most of the time. Other famous drug users come to mind, such as Aldous Huxley, whose writings had an enormous impact on me while in college. But I stand by what I wrote: longterm stoners are boring and inconsequential, more Tommy Chong caricature than Terrence McKenna. To your point about Mark IV 50 mm vs 37 mm, it's my understanding the Germans didn't know about Russian development of the thickly armored (but undergunned) KV series until they encountered it on the battlefield. And since you're a WWII buff, do you know the real reason why Polish horse cavalry charged German tanks head-on?

Posted by: troyriser at November 26, 2012 06:54 PM (ptcFO)

156 Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2012 10:40 PM (JKVMB) Oh, and yeah: about that meeting up business? I use my real name online everywhere I post. I link to my online portfolio, and I'm very easy to find for those even with the most rudimentary skilz. I hang out online at AoS because I like the people: smart, funny, freedom-loving. If an IRL meetup happened in my area, I'd try to be there.

Posted by: troyriser at November 26, 2012 07:14 PM (ptcFO)

157 and this is why, as Jamie Foxx has declared, that "Barack Obama is our Lord and Saviour." Wonders what a little pot does to those rational thinking types! whooohoooo Oh come on. Stop helping the democrats. Barrack Obama has been worse than Bush was about legal weed. Ever since Fast and Furious broke, Holder has cracked down like crazy on medical pot, raiding them left and right and locking them up and stealing their shit. You've got such a cultural disgust of people who use different drugs than you do, smoke marijuana instead of drink alcohol or smoke tobacco, that you're actively pushing them to vote for dems? By playing up the lie that democrats are any better on drug legalization? Just lump em all together? Druggies must be democrat, even though democrats are worse than republicans? What about Pat Robertson, Tom Tancredo, plus the entire libertarian wing of the republican party? They're all pro-legalization. You realize the prohibition of pot started with the New Deal right? Big FDR fan here thinks we don't need no amendment, we can just explode the commerce clause? For the children, though, right? I mean if it's for the children. Newsflash: drug dealers don't card and Walgreen's wouldn't send children to school with guns in their backpacks.

Posted by: entropy at November 26, 2012 08:22 PM (YUttk)

158 Please tell me I'm not the only moron to attend HSU. Don't be shy folks.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 26, 2012 09:22 PM (dvRYt)

159 "... without much rigor ..." Really? And we know what that rhymes with, now don't we. You R-ACE-IST! (SWIDT)

Posted by: monsoon at November 27, 2012 04:37 AM (Fyntg)

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