December 22, 2012

Confirmed: John Boehner Is In Over His Head. Way Over His Head
— DrewM

The Wall Street Journal has a fascinating look inside the fiscal cliff negotiations.

I think it's supposed to be a pro-Boehner piece that shows he was willing to go the extra mile at every turn only to run into an immovable object...Barack Obama. That much is true but the image of Boehner either not realizing or not caring that he was trying to "negotiate" with someone who was only interested in accepting nis surrender is depressing.

Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker as negotiations faltered. In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn't reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault.

At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, "I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?"

"You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free."

After the election, Boehner aides tried to shape the debate by offering early concessions, including that the GOP would agree to raise new tax revenue. A speech Mr. Boehner planned to give was rewritten 18 times and included input from top Republican leaders.

So after being told his initial concession was a gift that Obama had no intent on reciprocating Boehner then prepares....ANOTHER CONCESSION? What world is this guy living in?

On Dec. 13, Mr. Boehner went to the White House at the president's request, joking he was going to the woodshed.

The president told him he could choose one of two doors. The first represented a big deal. If Mr. Boehner chose it, the president said, the country and financial markets would cheer. Door No. 2 represented a spike in interest rates and a global recession.

Mr. Boehner said he wanted a deal along the lines of what the two men had negotiated in the summer of 2011 in a fight over raising the debt ceiling. "You missed your opportunity on that," the president told him.

That night, the speaker and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R., Va.) decided to make the biggest concession so far.

Two problems here.

First, once again Boehner is given an ultimatum by Obama and Boehner's (and Cantor's, don't forget that) reaction is to offer "the biggest concession" to date.

Look, I loathe Barack Obama but why would he put anything on the table if all he has to do is wait for Boehner and Cantor to cook up another unilateral concession? Obama is a lying SOB but he's not an idiot.

The bigger problem to me is the idea that Boehner "joked" (because this is soooo funny!) that he was going to "the woodshed".

The Speaker of the House of Representatives is a constitutional officer just like the President. Boehner heads one of the co-equal branches of government. If he is psychologically unprepared to meet the challenge of fulfilling his constitutional obligation to serve as a check and balance on the Executive, he needs to go.

This isn't the first time Boehner has shown he's simply not up to the task of dealing with the President.

Obviously Boehner or anyone in his spot is playing a very, very weak hand. Boehner however is playing it like he has no hand and is just giving Obama his chips a couple at a time.

What could Boehner do? Change the rules, play a different game. Not so much to win everything but to minimize his (our) loses.

He could start by ignoring Obama and dragging the Senate Democrats into this.

Pass the GOP's bottom line offer and when the Senate doesn't take it up, pass something else sightly less attractive to the Democrats. Rinse, lather, repeat. Make it clear not agreeing with them only makes things worse, not better.

And yes, the DMM will be on Obama's side. So make them cover things on your terms.

Make a stupid West Wing PR gesture and have Boehner walk over to the Senate and try and negotiate with Harry Reid in public. Brietbart one of his pressers if you have to.

Do something. And do it publicly. If people can't see it, it won't count because of the DMM.

When you're weak you have to try something different because by the accepted rules, you're weak.

Would something like that have worked? Who knows but it couldn't be any worse from a policy or PR position than we are now and this position was entirely foreseeable.

Added: I propose we start using "Boehner" as a verb: "To utterly and publicly screw up".

Andy has a great example.

The Jets really Boehnered that contract with Sanchez.

Posted by: DrewM at 08:36 AM | Comments (284)
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1 Words cannot express the FAIL.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 08:39 AM (X/+QT)

2 We
Are
So
Fucked

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 22, 2012 08:43 AM (HDgX3)

3

Boehner needs replacing. Quickly.

Posted by: knob at December 22, 2012 08:44 AM (H1bc7)

4 Dereliction of duty by Boehner.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 22, 2012 08:44 AM (GEICT)

5 When you've lost Hugh Hewitt ...

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 22, 2012 08:45 AM (FaqTv)

6 We will get nothing and we will like it.

Posted by: Ronster at December 22, 2012 08:46 AM (JgkPs)

7 How freaking hard can it be to go in front of a camera and say the House will not negotiate further until the "Democrat" Senate and the "Democrat" White House put a proposal on paper that they will both support.

That is the starting point of negotiations.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 08:46 AM (X/+QT)

8 Too many words.

This is all that matters:

If he is psychologically unprepared to meet the challenge of fulfilling his constitutional obligation to serve as a check and balance on the Executive, he needs to go.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 22, 2012 08:47 AM (GsoHv)

9 The only way to negotiate with someone as corrupt as Obama is to bargain with his potential embarrassment. 

It is the only thing that President Thin Skin cares about. 

From this, we can conclude that attempting to negotiating in terms of (a) economic vitality or (b) ideological consistency are destined to be total failures. 

You have to work with people's actual motivations, not what they say their motivations are, about which they frequently lie. 

Posted by: Phinn at December 22, 2012 08:47 AM (oFH2D)

10 Piss on Boner.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:48 AM (53z96)

11 You're supposed to pay a little above sticker price for a car, right?

Posted by: John Boehner at December 22, 2012 08:49 AM (5PkZK)

12 Just to add another nail-you need certain votes to get your surrender bill passed.  You then screw some conservatives over on committee assignments before the vote on which their votes are needed.  Does that make sense?

Posted by: ejo at December 22, 2012 08:49 AM (GXvSO)

13 What needs to happen is for the House to use the full power of the purse. As in, pass a minimum list of expenditures (hint: Defense, courts) and NOTHING ELSE.

And when Reid eats it or Obama vetoes it, recess. For a good long time.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 22, 2012 08:50 AM (kaalw)

14 You can not negotiate with someone who doesn't want to negotiate.  Boner should stay the fk away from the WH and the MFM.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:50 AM (53z96)

15 S.I.D.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:50 AM (53z96)

16 We've already gone over the cliff. The so-called "negotiations" are just a theater play the MFM is writing to honor their boyfriend. Everyone knows how the play ends.

LiB

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 22, 2012 08:51 AM (MmH0Z)

17

I don't think Boehner has any idea of the power he and the House hold.  I say it's mostly ignorance of the US Constitution.

 

Boehner has basically caved to the dems' and media's idea of government construct.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 08:51 AM (TGQSu)

18 Shockingly, Boehner is a vegetable. But, then again TFG is a fruit.

Posted by: sTevo at December 22, 2012 08:51 AM (VMcEw)

19

"Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker as negotiations faltered. In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn't reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault."

He's going to do that no matter what happens.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 22, 2012 08:52 AM (ZS1LI)

20

In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn't reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault.

 

This is all you need to know. The Chicken Shit in Chief never had any desire to make any kind of deal. His only position was to screw the R brand and the United States of America. Piss on JEF.

Posted by: Ronster at December 22, 2012 08:52 AM (JgkPs)

21 We need a new Speaker, pronto.  Preferably someone who doesn't cry so much and can stand up to a wimp.

Posted by: Phil in Houston at December 22, 2012 08:52 AM (F5Q11)

22 21 We need a new Speaker, pronto. Preferably someone who doesn't cry so much and can stand up to a wimp.

Posted by: Phil in Houston at December 22, 2012 12:52 PM (F5Q11)



Second look at Gingrich?  :-D

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 08:54 AM (X/+QT)

23 /jerking off hand gesture

Posted by: soothsayer at December 22, 2012 08:55 AM (jUytm)

24 Wake me up when we have a debate about real spending cuts and aren't trying to make the citizenry feel better about themselves by taxing successful people, and actually killing jobs and *lowering* revenue in the process.

This is a joke so it matters not what the weeping Boner does. I could not care less.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 22, 2012 08:55 AM (MmH0Z)

25 22 21 We need a new Speaker, pronto. Preferably someone who doesn't cry so much and can stand up to a wimp. Posted by: Phil in Houston at December 22, 2012 12:52 PM (F5Q11) ---------- Second look at Gingrich? :-D Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 12:54 PM (X/+QT) Time for a look at an eggplant?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 22, 2012 08:55 AM (GEICT)

26 So far the Dems have not presented one offer that I am aware of. Boner basically goes up and says "we will give you ____", to which Obama replies fuck you. Rinse, lather, repeat. Boner is a fucking moron. Step one: hold a presser, and say "the president won, we eagerly aware his leadership and plan to deal with this" Step two: repeat step one, add that you are awaiting him and the democrats who the american people elected to lead, to pass a bill in the Senate which they control Step three: laugh as they pass nothing and go play gold. Point out that how can you negotiate with the President when he can't even pass something thru the Senate his own party controlled. Loudly say at every opportunity that this is what the American people elected and voted for, obamas "leadership", and how sad that makes you that he can't do his job. Step four: cry

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 22, 2012 08:55 AM (zNk30)

27 Bohner's session in Room 101 will soften him up, methinks.

Posted by: #OccupyResoluteDesk at December 22, 2012 08:56 AM (7QU6R)

28 Bohner's session in Room 101 will soften him up, methinks.

Posted by: #OccupyResoluteDesk at December 22, 2012 08:56 AM (7QU6R)

29 9 Posted by: Phinn at December 22, 2012 12:47 PM (oFH2D) __________ GREAT point. Is Boehner stupid or delusional or what? Does he actually believe Obama is an honorable man, who can be negotiated with fairly? anyone remember when Obama met with various business people, then came out and told the press things they DID NOT say or agree to? This goes beyond him being  leftist. The guy is dishonest and not to be trusted. He does not like us or this country.

Posted by: Baldy at December 22, 2012 08:56 AM (opS9C)

30 9 Posted by: Phinn at December 22, 2012 12:47 PM (oFH2D) __________ GREAT point. Is Boehner stupid or delusional or what? Does he actually believe Obama is an honorable man, who can be negotiated with fairly? anyone remember when Obama met with various business people, then came out and told the press things they DID NOT say or agree to? This goes beyond him being  leftist. The guy is dishonest and not to be trusted. He does not like us or this country.

Posted by: Baldy at December 22, 2012 08:56 AM (opS9C)

31 Boehner should refuse to invite Obama to the House and tell him to submit the SOTU in writing. But he's useless, so he won't.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 22, 2012 08:57 AM (nZvGM)

32 Boehner should refuse to invite Obama to the House and tell him to submit the SOTU in writing. But he's useless, so he won't.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 22, 2012 08:57 AM (nZvGM)

33 But these tax increases are crucial, why they could fully fund the federal government for three, maybe four days.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 22, 2012 08:57 AM (GZitp)

34 But these tax increases are crucial, why they could fully fund the federal government for three, maybe four days.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 22, 2012 08:57 AM (GZitp)

35 Boehner serves SCOAMF functionally as a Straw Dog with no teeth and an all too familiar non threatening bark that doesn't even have a normal dog's warning component.

Worse Than Useless.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 22, 2012 08:57 AM (aZ6ew)

36 Boehner serves SCOAMF functionally as a Straw Dog with no teeth and an all too familiar non threatening bark that doesn't even have a normal dog's warning component.

Worse Than Useless.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 22, 2012 08:57 AM (aZ6ew)

37 Boner is to politicking as Jerry Jones is to NFL team owning.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (jucos)

38 Boner is to politicking as Jerry Jones is to NFL team owning.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (jucos)

39 Second look at Gingrich? :-D

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 12:54 PM (X/+QT)

 

 

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There's some suggestion it could be Ryan.  That would be choomboy's worst nightmare.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (TGQSu)

40 Second look at Gingrich? :-D

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 12:54 PM (X/+QT)

 

 

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There's some suggestion it could be Ryan.  That would be choomboy's worst nightmare.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (TGQSu)

41 29 Boehner should refuse to invite Obama to the House and tell him to submit the SOTU in writing. But he's useless, so he won't.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 22, 2012 12:57 PM (nZvGM)

 

Name anyone in the House that would actually do that.

Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (GULKT)

42 29 Boehner should refuse to invite Obama to the House and tell him to submit the SOTU in writing. But he's useless, so he won't.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 22, 2012 12:57 PM (nZvGM)

 

Name anyone in the House that would actually do that.

Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (GULKT)

43 I hope Gabe doesn't read this.  He's so far up Boehner's ass it isn't even funny.

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (QBQcg)

44 I hope Gabe doesn't read this.  He's so far up Boehner's ass it isn't even funny.

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (QBQcg)

45 Boner is to politicking as the Cubs are to Major League Baseballing

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 22, 2012 08:59 AM (jucos)

46 33 There's some suggestion it could be Ryan. That would be choomboy's worst nightmare. Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 12:58 PM (TGQSu) I'm pretty sure that I would whip it out and start fapping, no matter where I was, if I heard that Boehner had been ousted in favor of Ryan.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 22, 2012 09:00 AM (GEICT)

47 Lesson:

When speaking with Obama in a private setting RECORD THE FUCKING CONVERSATION.

Almost any newish cell phone has VOX activated recording capability.  Turn it on and stick it in your pocket.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 22, 2012 09:00 AM (xpgUt)

48 "I hope Gabe doesn't read this."

I wish they would start floating Gowdy's name for speaker,  just to spite Malor.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 22, 2012 09:00 AM (GZitp)

49 Boner makes Tony Romo look like a clutch playoff QB.

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 22, 2012 09:01 AM (zNk30)

50 Name anyone in the House that would actually do that.

Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2012 12:58 PM (GULKT)

There might be someone who remembers that that's the way it use to be done. Offhand I can't think of anyone. But it would really be nice to do away with the two hour laundry lists.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 22, 2012 09:02 AM (nZvGM)

51 Where is the repeated acknowledgement of spending under SCOAMF going fro 35% of GDP to 105% in 4 years?

Where is even the mention of the marxist-democrat connection to Cloward/Piven and it context here and implications?

DERELICTION OF DUTY plain and simple.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 22, 2012 09:02 AM (aZ6ew)

52 I'm pretty sure that I would whip it out and start fapping, no matter where I was, if I heard that Boehner had been ousted in favor of Ryan. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 22, 2012 01:00 PM (GEICT) As the former VP nominee that should afford him some gravitas.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 22, 2012 09:03 AM (3Y7RV)

53 I guess I cannot remember how we even got this weeper. We f'd ourselves back in 2010. Was it his turn? much like it was McCains turn, Romneys turn? WTF is wrong with the party that puts incompetence first, cuz its their turn. This isnt a line where you take a number and wait, or you make a reservation for the job. Are we too stupid to look at qualifications anymore? DC is so far out of touch that we need new blood in there EVERY election until the old is gone. Boner has had ED since he started and no amount of Viagra has helped. Obamacare wont cover it any more either. Next question is Who to replace him with.

Posted by: Just a drifter bustin his ass at December 22, 2012 09:03 AM (a673H)

54 Drew made Ed Morrissey cry.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 22, 2012 09:03 AM (Lxw+T)

55 He's the Speaker, but he seems to speak for The Washington Class.

Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2012 09:03 AM (FcR7P)

56 Trying to deal with the Democratic Party is pointless. It can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with, and absolutely will not stop until you are dead (or in the gulags). So since every deal will blow, Let it Burn, Let it Burn, Let it Burn

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 09:04 AM (oxNxk)

57 So most of us stood on the sidelines knowing Boehner would be played  or allow himself to be played? shrieking at the last Budget , and ceiling  raise, and the one before that, , ect..

But i would like to it to be remembered the Republicans just advocated for Boehner to remain speaker, And to punish other more conservative Republicans?

So srsly what exactly is the stance of the Republican party at this point?
the debt?
srsl  I would like some clarity?

i know my tone isn't helpful here , but i'm really piss'd that We don' seem to have a voice in much these days . But are expected to support the more threatening actions of the Leadership  in taking away our personal liberties and our hopes for fiscal sanity;.



Posted by: ette at December 22, 2012 09:04 AM (nqBYe)

58 Trying to deal with the Democratic Party is pointless. It can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with That's the perfect description of Evil.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 22, 2012 09:05 AM (3Y7RV)

59 What's makes this so fucking frustrating is that Reid controls the Senate, and nothing Boner does matters when Obama can't even get shit thru his own party that isn't so left wing that even his media fellators won't be able to call a "balanced approach". Just fucking loudly keep saying "why can't Obama pass something thru his own party in the Senate? How can I negotiate with that? The American people elected Obama and Reid, they won. It makes me sad that they can't show the leadership the American people elected them to." Then cry, it's all you are good for you stupid piece of shit

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 22, 2012 09:05 AM (zNk30)

60 Question:  Do the repub wusses and RINO's still hold a majority in the House repub. caucus?

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 09:06 AM (TGQSu)

61 I hadn't thought about not inviting Obama to the House....it is not a bad idea.

I think the House should pass two balanced budgets. Do one with some tax increases and a shit load of spending cuts and one with enough tax increases to cover the deficit shortfall at present spending (is that even possible?) and then go home. Let the Senate and the President sort it out.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 22, 2012 09:06 AM (KAWvv)

62 Empires in decline have one common trait.  A plethora of feckless toads in positions of responsibility.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 22, 2012 09:06 AM (xpgUt)

63 5 When you've lost Hugh Hewitt ... Well, it is the apocalypse.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 22, 2012 09:06 AM (Lxw+T)

64

You guys still fail to grasp reality, it's getting pathetic.

These guys negotiated on this awhile back, and couldn't come to an agreement, so they agreed to put it to the voters. It was put to the voters and Obama won big.

So, when the negotations start up, Obama gets to say, we went over this and I won, so you give that to me for free and we go from there. That's how it works. We lost. He won. There is a price we have to pay for not coming to an agreement the last time. Please, please get your heads out of your asses.

Posted by: sanity at December 22, 2012 09:07 AM (RVjIg)

65 There might be someone who remembers that that's the way it use to be done. Offhand I can't think of anyone. But it would really be nice to do away with the two hour laundry lists.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 22, 2012 01:02 PM (nZvGM)

 

Oh it certainly would.  But its not going to happen no matter how much we wish it.  The outcome of this would wind up being Obama essentially holding a political rally where he has a fully cheering crowd and the mfm refusing the air any rebuttal from the Republicans.

 

I also think that if we were to have an ousting of Boehner as speaker the outcome would be the wing of the party getting into control would be the ones that were in charge during Bush's term.  And they sure were a fiscally restraining lot weren't they?

Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2012 09:07 AM (GULKT)

66 A plethora of feckless toads They certainly don't give a feck about doing their jobs.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:08 AM (Lxw+T)

67 Boehner seems to think that this is 1960 or something and that the opposition is honorable or malleable. That's reason enough he should be fired.

Posted by: jjshaka at December 22, 2012 09:08 AM (3MJBx)

68 Posted by: sanity at December 22, 2012 01:07 PM (RVjIg) Who is this "we" you are talking about? Go fuck yourself

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 22, 2012 09:08 AM (zNk30)

69 The State of the Union should be a two-way meeting. 

Come give your speech, Mr. Executive Branch Head, we in co-equal Congress will then ask you questions about points we are unclear on.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 09:09 AM (X/+QT)

70 That's how it works. We lost. He won. There is a price we have to pay for not coming to an agreement the last time. Please, please get your heads out of your asses. Posted by: sanity

Things never said by a Democrap in 2000 and 2004.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 22, 2012 09:09 AM (FaqTv)

71 Empires in decline have one common trait. A plethora of feckless toads in positions of responsibility. Posted by: @PurpAv at December 22, 2012 01:06 PM (xpgUt) ---------------------------------------------------------- Read this and tell me where the American Empire differs from the original. http://www.rome.info/history/empire/fall/

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 22, 2012 09:09 AM (jucos)

72 Posted by: sanity at December 22, 2012 01:07 PM (RVjIg) Who is this "we" you are talking about? Go fuck yourself Posted by: Mr Pink at December 22, 2012 01:08 PM (zNk30) I second the self fucking of the sanity Character.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 22, 2012 09:09 AM (3Y7RV)

73 The whole game plan is to hold essential government functions hostage for the biggest, most corrupt spending binge in history. And the answer is, refute the premise. Pass the essential government functions ONLY and, if they're not taken up and passed without change by the Senate and signed by the President, point out that it shows the President isn't interested in performing any essential government functions -- and start impeachment.



All this discussion of "fiscal cliff" and "balanced approach" is all about hostage taking. Shoot the hostage or be blackmailed forever.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 22, 2012 09:10 AM (kaalw)

74 My daughter is visiting with a HS friend and I am in the triple digits counting how many times they say 'like'.

It is so bad that I count out loud.

Posted by: sTevo at December 22, 2012 09:10 AM (VMcEw)

75

Posted by: sanity at December 22, 2012 01:07 PM (RVjIg)

Actually, it was a tie. Republicans kept the House. Once again the American people have tried to split the difference between socialism and freedom.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 22, 2012 09:10 AM (nZvGM)

76 Sanity,  I had thought we had ample opporunity to tackle this issue BEFORE the election in fact that was why some of the last Debate and fund allocating (?) so that we would use it to hit Obama before the election?

Did i misunderstand how we were told we didn't lose s badly last ceiling raise Because of that?

(maybe i did)

Posted by: ette at December 22, 2012 09:10 AM (nqBYe)

77 I've been saying for weeks now, that as long as they keep lurching from "drop dead" date to drop dead date, i.e., fiscal cliff, debt ceiling, etc, Republicans will lose nearly every time on the optics. That's why they should have brought S.3412, which extends lowered tax rates for everyone except those making over $250K, to the House floor, then allow Republicans to vote as they please, even abstaining if necessary. Repeat over and over the message that they don't like it, don't think it will work, and perhaps even hurt the economy, but it's what the President and Democrats want, and that he and the Dems will get the credit or blame. Since there is no "internet bubble" or Y2K driver to generate jobs and massive capital gains tax revenues, as there was after the Clinton tax increases, it's likely that the economy won't improve much under the weight of the new taxes. So let the Dems pass S.3412 in the House and then push the press to demand that Obama sign it. Then, after the new Congress is seated, go back to "Regular Order" as Sen Sessions advises, and begin to pass bill after bill through the House to deal with spending. Every Republican will then have to message that it's Harry Reid's fault that these are not being taken up in the Senate. No mushy talk about how the Senate is holding up the legislation, but direct attacks at Reid, and how he is afraid to bring things to the floor and allow open debate, because he knows that some Dems will cross over. Hit that message over and over, and it will get out.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 22, 2012 09:11 AM (OL4L4)

78 The fundamental problem is that liberal politicians see themselves has having total moral authority to act in the name of liberalism. They fight tooth and nail for every inch, and see every inch they fail to get as a bitter defeat that they will avenge as soon as possible. Most of the GOP politicians (specifically, the establishment and more entrenched veterans) lack any sense of moral imperative. They seem embarrassed to act on the behalf of liberty at the expense of the state. They can't articulate the universal advantages of conservatism, or expose the cruel but obvious hoax that is liberalism. Instead of seeking to advance our cause, they seek cover. Liberals may be inept, soft thinking and naive, but what they lack in ability they make up for in zeal and passion. They don't have weapons of reason and history behind them, we do, but these formidable arms we have, we lack the will to use. Until we find leaders with the strength of will to match their own, we will continue to lose, inch by bitter inch.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at December 22, 2012 09:11 AM (27tUc)

79 If everyone keeps saying mean things about Boner, I'm gonna cry.
 
I've got a full bottle of glycerine so don't test my willpower on this.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 22, 2012 09:12 AM (cHZB7)

80 Let it burn.

They are ready to create a new system closer to their hearts desire when it burns down. well so should the right. And then stand back and let it burn. When a house is so full of termites it comes a time to tear or burn it down and rebuild. The left want the fire and the right keep replacing timbers hoping not to lose the whole thing but in no time the new timbers are infested as well.

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at December 22, 2012 09:12 AM (Ea64Y)

81 And, BTW, once the essential spending is secured, the next thing for the House to do is....nothing, again. Just issue a statement about "it's been four years now, how about that witless fool Reid sends us a budget?"

Posted by: cthulhu at December 22, 2012 09:12 AM (kaalw)

82 I don't take anyone seriously who doesn't call for the only solution that will work. And that solution is to shut it down. No continuing resolution, no deal attempts, just turn it off, and let the executive branch spend the next two years trying to figure out who to pay out of the actual revenue coming in every day.

Posted by: Whatev at December 22, 2012 09:12 AM (2t6Gz)

83 The fiscal cliff is frightful Embrace the fire it is delightful So since every deal will blow Let it Burn, Let it Burn, Let it Burn!

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 09:12 AM (oxNxk)

84 Shoot the hostage or be blackmailed forever. Uh oh. Now you went and made Piers Morgan cry. Such inflammatory language.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:13 AM (Lxw+T)

85 Yeah the GOP really pulled a Boehner

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 22, 2012 09:13 AM (T/L2Z)

86 "You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free."

We'll see about that, choomtard.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2012 09:13 AM (lQPoa)

87 3 Boehner needs replacing. Quickly. - If that's what the people want, that's what they must get.

Posted by: Eric Cantor at December 22, 2012 09:14 AM (e0KhL)

88 Once again the American people have tried to split the difference between socialism and freedom. Funny how such a split is never even, and always falls in one direction.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:14 AM (Lxw+T)

89 Four years into this gig, and I'm still confused about Obama's qualifications for the job. 

And Boehner needs to stop pretending there can be a compromise.

Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2012 09:14 AM (w3+gB)

90 As soon as the kind of ultimatum is given you leave, do a quick little presser, and announce you are waiting for the president to get real.  "He doesn't want to negotiate, he wants to dictate, so fine.  We're right here Mr. President.  Let's hear something other than demands."

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 22, 2012 09:14 AM (gmoEG)

91 Okay, so the consensus (here, anyway) is that Boner is a no-talent fuckwit who should be kicked to the curb. Can't disagree with that; I've been saying it for as long as anyone here.

But there is another part of the story that is even more important: Choom Boy has to be kicked to the curb as well. Not that I think we should cut John the Weeper any slack. On the contrary, he should not only lose his "leadership" post, but also his status as a Representative.

But the real danger here is the worthless traitor in the White House. If we HAD a Republican who would stand up to him, Obama would still ignore anything that wasn't out-and-out acceptance of his America-hating plans and "philosophy."

So Step One is to somehow rid D.C. of a man who has never shown anything but a commitment to destroying America. Then, after jailing and/or firing all his co-conspirators as well, we can look at brooming all the Poppin' Fresh Republicans who have made caving in to the Democrats a way of life.

Not gonna happen? Obviously not. But it is the only way to keep this country from continuing down the path toward Kenya-ization.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 22, 2012 09:14 AM (yKUrR)

92 *insert obligatory reference to Sean Connery and The Chicago Way*

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:15 AM (Lxw+T)

93 I heard Paul Ryan too. Ryan would be Obama's worse nightmare. I'm still pissed off at what TFG did to Ryan in 2011, invited him to the press conference and then humiliated him in front of everyone by dissing his budget. If I were Ryan, I would play equally dirty. I try to get along but when people cross me they had better watch out. Boehner, Ryan and the rest of them have to learn that they are trying to make a deal with a thug who does not want a deal. TFG wants us to fall into the cliff so we become more dependent on government. He's a lying SOB!

Posted by: CarolT at December 22, 2012 09:15 AM (z4WKX)

94 Gov't Motors Employess to Receive Bonuses up to $7,000 Each...


Weeeee! CORPORATISM IS TEH AWESOM!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 22, 2012 09:15 AM (FaqTv)

95 19 --- " In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn't reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault." Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 22, 2012 12:52 PM (ZS1LI) Boehner should have called a press conference immediately afterward and revealed what Obama said LOUDLY. We know Obama is going to blame the GOP anyway. This gives Boehner the opportunity to neutralize that a little bit by telling the public what the game is. It might not help but it wouldn't hurt.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 22, 2012 09:15 AM (C8mVl)

96 pResident Banjo eyes stated in a speech in Pueblo Co. his desire to nationalize 2-3 more industries. Might be an indicator.

We can only hope that the mountains in Hawaii implode.

Posted by: Plainsman at December 22, 2012 09:16 AM (frxVF)

97 Oh, oh. DrewM's going to get Malored over this post!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 22, 2012 09:16 AM (jPVBi)

98 Posted by: sanity at December 22, 2012 01:07 PM (RVjIg)
 
You and the Dickweed in Chief can blow each other until your dicks fall off, but I care what happens to my children.
 
So go peddle your 'We Won' shit to someone that gives a fuck.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 22, 2012 09:16 AM (cHZB7)

99 We did not split the difference. American urban centers elected this dumb motherfucker. The American rural areas and heartland sent their reps back to the house. More conservative. Change is going to have to come from the state level against the wishes of those lording over us in DC. It WILL get interesting.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 22, 2012 09:16 AM (jucos)

100 I have WSJ subscription, I will have to read entire story later. I'm busy now, I dropped by to see what was going on here. Merry Christmas to everyone! I'll be back later today. When will Ace be back?

Posted by: CarolT at December 22, 2012 09:16 AM (z4WKX)

101 11 You're supposed to pay a little above sticker price for a car, right? Posted by: John Boehner at December 22, 2012 12:49 PM (5PkZK) - That's right, John. But it seems to me people want a Young Gun to do this the same way you're already doing it. Same principles, fresh face.

Posted by: Eric Cantor at December 22, 2012 09:17 AM (e0KhL)

102 Gov't Motors Employess to Receive Bonuses up to $7,000 Each... Thanks to the taxpayer working 70-80 hours a week at two or three $8 an hour jobs.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 22, 2012 09:17 AM (3Y7RV)

103 Once more into the breach - BOEHNER NEEDS TO GO AND CANTOR IS NOT THE ONE TO REPLACE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 22, 2012 09:17 AM (Eq2MX)

104

also again OT  NDAA Indefinite Detention Provision.

WASHINGTON -- Congress stripped a provision Tuesday from a defense bill that aimed to shield Americans from the possibility of being imprisoned indefinitely without trial by the military. The provision was replaced with a passage that appears to give citizens little protection from indefinite detention.

The amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act of 2013 was added by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), but there was no similar language in the version of the bill that passed the House, and it was dumped from the final bill released Tuesday after a conference committee from both chambers worked out a unified measure.

Posted by: ette at December 22, 2012 09:17 AM (nqBYe)

105 "So, when the negotations start up, Obama gets to say, we went over this and I won, so you give that to me for free and we go from there. That's how it works. We lost. He won. There is a price we have to pay for not coming to an agreement the last time. Please, please get your heads out of your asses.

Posted by: sanity at December 22, 2012 01:07 PM (RVjIg)"



Please tell us the biggest negotiation you've ever participated in and how it turned out for your side. I bet you got a worse deal than you could have, if you went into it with this asinine "theory" about how to negotiate.

Posted by: BS Inc. at December 22, 2012 09:18 AM (eP0u9)

106 Uh oh. Now you went and made Piers Morgan cry. Such inflammatory language.

I'm sorry peasant, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I think I am.

Posted by: Pierz Morgan at December 22, 2012 09:18 AM (EYx1k)

107 Boehner is doing a heck of a job, once you realize which team he is playing for: the government team.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 09:18 AM (7M6OD)

108 Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 22, 2012 01:17 PM (Eq2MX) Yep. Cantor is cut from the same FKN mold.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 22, 2012 09:18 AM (3Y7RV)

109 MrScribbler, if you want to have an episode of dangerously high blood pressure, listen to the replay of Ed Morrissey talking about Plan B from his Ustream show yesterday. On second thought, don't. It's not only unhealthy but more clueless than dividing by zero.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:19 AM (Lxw+T)

110 Boehner is not a good negotiator. We don't know that the next guy will be better, but we do know the current guy is lousy. Boehner's strategy of polite disagreement and cover seeking is neither effective as policy or as an electoral strategy (as 2012 grimly showcased). And his political acumen is surely poor if he pushed Plan B without knowing the mind of his caucus.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 22, 2012 09:19 AM (uhAkr)

111 "You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free."


If you don't leave the room immediately upon hearing this, you must be in the Party of Stupid.  Oh, wait....

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 09:20 AM (X/+QT)

112 Gov't Motors Employess to Receive Bonuses up to $7,000 Each... Thank Gaia the taxpayer is taking a loss on its GM shares. I love liberal fascism.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:20 AM (Lxw+T)

113 Fiscal Cliff to the tune Jingle Bells

Fiscal Cliff, Fiscal Cliff
Looming just ahead
If we hit the Fiscal Cliff
We'll all be fuckin' dead
OHHH
Fiscal Cliff, Fiscal Cliff
Could they hype it more
It's too bad our reps are just
A bunch of soddy whores

Boehner takes the lead
And blows the lousy deal
Bamy buggers him
And all our senses reel
Flying down the slope
With no relief in sight
Wont somebody take the reigns
And steer us to the right
OHHH

Fiscal Cliff, Fiscal Cliff
Looming just ahead
If we hit the Fiscal Cliff
We'll all be fuckin' dead
OHHH
Fiscal Cliff, Fiscal Cliff
Could they hype it more
It's too bad our reps are just
A bunch of soddy whores

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 22, 2012 09:21 AM (BAnPT)

114

Any fiscal discussion that doesn't begin  with   the vigorous defense of capitalism and the nefarious efforts of the Leftard Legion in Congress and the WH to subvert it is   wasted breath.  Somebody, and I really don't care who  it is at this point, needs to start explaining how everyone's standard  of living is being reduced by the Left.

 

Start showing what the actual UE  and inflation  figures are, what the actual expenditures of this administration are and how they've gone through the roof in the past four years. Then, introduce a truly balanced budget that matches expenditures with tax revenue.

 

Then go home and let TFG and Hairy Reed battle it out.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 22, 2012 09:22 AM (yiIja)

115 I think John is doing a hell of a job. Where are you guys going tonight.... I'll buy the drinks.

Posted by: Bob Michael at December 22, 2012 09:22 AM (jucos)

116 Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 22, 2012 01:21 PM (BAnPT) LOL, well done.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 22, 2012 09:22 AM (3Y7RV)

117 Gumbo!

Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2012 09:23 AM (w3+gB)

118 73 I don't take anyone seriously who doesn't call for the only solution that will work. And that solution is to shut it down. No continuing resolution, no deal attempts, just turn it off, and let the executive branch spend the next two years trying to figure out who to pay out of the actual revenue coming in every day.

Posted by: Whatev at December 22, 2012 01:12 PM (2t6Gz)



The continuing resolutions have been way too fat -- otherwise there wouldn't have been the extra trillions spent. If you were going to have a continuing resolution, it should have been for the absolute bare minimum of expenditures -- national debt, basic defense, prisons and courts.....and not a dime for any "policy" wings (like EPA, DoJ's civil rights group, Ag, Dept. of Education) or entitlements.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 22, 2012 09:24 AM (kaalw)

119 at the least I hope Boehner enjoyed the Golfing trips.

Posted by: ette at December 22, 2012 09:24 AM (nqBYe)

120 "Just fucking loudly keep saying "why can't Obama pass something thru his own party in the Senate? How can I negotiate with that? The American people elected Obama and Reid, they won. It makes me sad that they can't show the leadership the American people elected them to."
Then cry, it's all you are good for you stupid piece of shit

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 22, 2012 01:05 PM (zNk30)"



Boenher reminds me of that saying about the Palestinians, that they "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity".

Posted by: BS Inc. at December 22, 2012 09:24 AM (eP0u9)

121 I think what happened in Boehner's mouth was for free too.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:25 AM (Lxw+T)

122 I'd rather golf with a rabid wolverine in my underwear than with Obama.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 09:26 AM (oxNxk)

123

I'm starting to think Fiscal Conservatives are much like unicorns and bigfeet.

 

I hear they exist, but I have no real proof of it.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 09:26 AM (OQpzc)

124 I wish I'd had jobs that I didn't have deadlines and got to take off on vacation when i got tired of worrying about 'stuff'

Posted by: ette at December 22, 2012 09:26 AM (nqBYe)

125 Plan B!!!!

Posted by: eman at December 22, 2012 09:26 AM (EWsrI)

126
So in verb usage a homer (simpson) has become a boehner.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 22, 2012 09:27 AM (69Mdf)

127 Great, the True Believers have voted down a tax cut for 99.41% because we can't have it for 100%.  So instead, 100% get a tax hike, we get blamed for it 100%, and the tag that "Republicans are just out to protect the rich" is stuck on even harder with our True Believer cooperation.

As an added benefit, we weaken the only guy standing counterpoint to Obama in Washington.

Brilliant.  Just freaking brilliant.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 22, 2012 09:27 AM (ZHQvg)

128 So what are the consequences of no compromise and jetting off to Hawaii for the Holidays?

Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2012 09:28 AM (w3+gB)

129 MrScribbler, if you want to have an episode of dangerously high blood pressure, listen to the replay of Ed Morrissey talking about Plan B from his Ustream show yesterday.

To tell the truth, Poppin' Fresh's existence doesn't bug me that much. Teh Interwebz are full of foolishness from basement-bound losers who were saved from total obscurity by their moms giving them dial-up connections. Shit, Tepid Air is the TMZ of political comment.

What makes me angry is that others who actually can reason without stupid results and offer up worthwhile websites -- Ace, for one -- have been gulled into thinking "Captain Ed" is a worthwhile source for links and commentary.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 22, 2012 09:28 AM (yKUrR)

130 As an added benefit, we weaken the only guy standing counterpoint to Obama in Washington. That's some very wishful thinking. But it is Christmas, so have at it.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:29 AM (Lxw+T)

131 Posted by: @PurpAv at December 22, 2012 01:00 PM (xpgUt) No cell phones allowed with TFG.

Posted by: RWC at December 22, 2012 09:29 AM (sqp6o)

132 As an added benefit, we weaken the only guy standing counterpoint to Obama in Washington. Brave Sir John?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 22, 2012 09:29 AM (jucos)

133 The only "joke" I've ever heard from the Orange Mandarin that I found funny was when Bush was pushing for that amnesty bill and Boehner told a reporter, "I promised the President I wouldn't say anything bad about this piece-of-shit bill."

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 22, 2012 09:30 AM (RLZvP)

134 Boner is a living argument against settling for an "electable" RINO.

Let.
It.
Burn.

and fuck the SCOAMF and every asshole who voted for him, or a thrid party candidate, or who stayed home.  you all suck too.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 22, 2012 09:30 AM (8MasJ)

135 Yeah, yesterday just about finished me with Morrissey. Clueless. About the only thing worth hearing from him is Kerry Pickett, and she needs a better outlet online.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 22, 2012 09:30 AM (Lxw+T)

136

"The bigger problem to me is the idea that Boehner "joked" (because this is soooo funny!) that he was going to "the woodshed". The Speaker of the House of Representatives is a constitutional officer just like the President. Boehner heads one of the co-equal branches of government."


Wrong. Well, not exactly wrong, just no longer an operative truth and will continue to be treated as such.

It's a whole other world we live in now. With Obama, all things have become new and the old has passed away, and a majority of your fellow voters heartily approve. They demanded a king. They have one.

So do you.


Posted by: finger at December 22, 2012 09:30 AM (mV5Rx)

137

Why go through the phony theater of the debt ceiling, when everyone on earth knows the Rs are going to raise it?

 

What is the fucking point? If it is to convince every last fucking person in the entire universe that the Rs are nothing but actors on a stage, full of sound and fury, and accomplishing nothing, then, sure, big win. For the nation? Not so much.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 09:31 AM (OQpzc)

138 Boner -- I like this model, but I won't pay a trillion over the sticker price of 16.4 trillion.
 
Jug Eared Fuck salesman -- This is a very popular model, with all the bells and whistles that truly graft ridden vehicle can carry. I can't accept a bit under 3 trillion over sticker.
 
Boner -- Well, will you accept 2.99 trillion over sticker and my first born?
 
Jug Eared Fuck salesman -- Boy or girl?

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 22, 2012 09:31 AM (cHZB7)

139 @118. It'd be even stupider if Obama would have actually accepted the Plan B deal if passed, but he wouldn't have, because it wasn't 110% of what he wants. So killing the bill is just not wasting more breath on the pointless.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 09:32 AM (oxNxk)

140 Boehner is second-in-line to assume the Presidency, and really needs to start acting like he's Obama's equal, not his reluctant flunky.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 22, 2012 09:32 AM (RLZvP)

141 What's another few trillion dollars sprinkled here and there. It is not like we are actually going to 'pay' anyone back. This and our unfunded liabilities of 100 or so trillion dollars have already doomed us.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 22, 2012 09:33 AM (jucos)

142 If as a result of the GOP victories in 2010 Boehner is the best that the House GOP think that they can do I have a truckload of questions about both the process and the party.

The results since November of 2010 are a National Disgrace, which may in fact turn out to be the new name for this former Republic.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 22, 2012 09:33 AM (aZ6ew)

143 hahah, I have to laugh, evry budget deal in the last 3 years has been similar.

OOOH Boehner is going to win this time wait for the magic hat trick.

day after Obama's dreams come true. O well we'll fix this in the next budget talk.

flush

Posted by: ette at December 22, 2012 09:33 AM (nqBYe)

144 I fell for it again!

Posted by: ette at December 22, 2012 09:33 AM (nqBYe)

145 Caliphate - It would be so nice, if I could have a Caliphate.

Posted by: Empire of JEF at December 22, 2012 09:34 AM (0JB89)

146 Great, the True Believers have voted down a tax cut for 99.41% because we can't have it for 100%. So instead, 100% get a tax hike, we get blamed for it 100%, and the tag that "Republicans are just out to protect the rich" is stuck on even harder with our True Believer cooperation.

As an added benefit, we weaken the only guy standing counterpoint to Obama in Washington.

Brilliant. Just freaking brilliant.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 22, 2012 01:27 PM (ZHQvg)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

So you think the rich don't deserve keeping as much of their money as we do?  This thinking has got to stop somewhere.  It might as well be here  and now. 

 

The gorilla wants to fuck you, Adjoran.  And with your attitude, I'm not going to stop him. 

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 09:34 AM (TGQSu)

147 Just checking in from Germany. Aleady drinking some good germqn chistmas beer.

Posted by: Ma Bell at December 22, 2012 09:35 AM (O5mNX)

148 Brilliant. Just freaking brilliant.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 22, 2012 01:27 PM (ZHQvg)

 

I've listened to your kind of bullshit for twenty years. Things suck a whole lot more now.  No more.

 

If the Rs raise the debt ceiling one more time, I will never support another R ever again. The R brand will be synonymous with Chinese drywall.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 09:35 AM (OQpzc)

149 dear speaker boehner, go away thank you, the USA

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 22, 2012 09:36 AM (GVxQo)

150
We know what will happen, the senate will send over some porked up tax raising bill and Boehner will stupidly allow it to come to a vote and 30 RINO's will vote with the dems because......Cliff! or something.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 22, 2012 09:36 AM (69Mdf)

151 mabell so good you cant spell

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 22, 2012 09:37 AM (GVxQo)

152 I'd rather golf with a rabid wolverine in my underwear than with Obama. I'm with you. Nothing worse than golfing with Obama in your underwear.

Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2012 09:38 AM (FcR7P)

153 I think Obama really wants the Bush tax rates to expire, so he can come in as some sort of tax-cutting hero with a new rate schedule that gets even more people off the tax rolls entirely and puts far more of the tax burden on a shrinking upper class.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 22, 2012 09:38 AM (RLZvP)

154 I doubt the movie will go anywhere near there but you know what my favorite part about reading WORLD WAR Z was? The complete and utter collapse of the United States into something that, in time, came to more closely resemble how it's actually supposed to be.

I don't suppose there's any realistic chance that...

Nah.

Never thought I'd wish for zombies but here I am.

Posted by: finger at December 22, 2012 09:39 AM (mV5Rx)

155 Just checking in from Germany. Aleady drinking some good german chistmas beer. Which one? Every single town seems to have competing breweries. Hope you're down in Bayern somewhere.

Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2012 09:40 AM (FcR7P)

156 So what are the consequences of no compromise and jetting off to Hawaii for the Holidays?

Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2012 01:28 PM (w3+gB)


Great example of why we CANNOT WIN. In a sane world with consistent rules for both sides, this would bring down a president. In Obamaland, it's something to be proud of.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 22, 2012 09:40 AM (MmH0Z)

157 OT

Luckygunner has .223 ammo in stock right now.    1000 rounds of Mexican .223 for $592.

Quantity 8 remaining as of right now.

Posted by: EC at December 22, 2012 09:40 AM (doBIb)

158 Cut out the Obama-underwear golf talk, you guys. You're making my putter stand!

Posted by: chrissie matthews at December 22, 2012 09:41 AM (jPVBi)

159

"We have passed  legislation today that brings spending back into line with actual tax revenue. As a result, the following agencies have been defunded:  EPA,  the departments of Energy, Education, Trade and others (holds up list). We are truly sorry, but this is the direct result of President Obama's  unwillingness to offer up any cuts as part  of his so-called "balanced approach" to the outrageous spending he, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid saw fit to impose  upon the nation,  in direct opposition to proven historical economic principles that have served us until they were ignored by this president."

 

"We  cannot in good conscience, allow this administration to destroy the livlihoods and living standards of the country,  which is what the Democrats plan will achieve. The people  deserve better and they expect their representatives in Washington to uphold common-sense ideas and policies, particularly when it comes to the free market.  Every American deserves the freedom and security that a robust economy provides for themselves and their families. We will not let them  down."

 

Stuff We'll Never Hear in Washington. Vol. I

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 22, 2012 09:41 AM (yiIja)

160 In Soviet Obamamerica, taxes pay you!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 22, 2012 09:41 AM (RLZvP)

161 1000 rounds of Mexican .223 for $592. Hey, Mexico! That stuff I gave you wasn't for resale!

Posted by: Eric Holder at December 22, 2012 09:42 AM (FcR7P)

162 Boehner (and Cantor) are only interested in preserving their own places at the hog trough.  America?  Screw off, I'm stealing here.

We have the very worst people in the country in Washington DC, we could not do worse even no matter how hard we tried.

Maybe we'll be lucky and the Iranians will nuke DC off of the face of the planet and we' get a chance to start over.

Posted by: GaryS at December 22, 2012 09:43 AM (dcfiw)

163 Bamberg, upper franconia, which is tecnically bavaria and yes it is very dark beer

Posted by: Ma Bell at December 22, 2012 09:43 AM (O5mNX)

164 OT

I was at a surplus store this AM and chatted with the lady ringing up my sale. She said ONE customer bought her entire inventory of .223 ammo. Spent thousands of dollars. 'Thousands?' I said. 'Thousands', she said. Apparently several employees had to wheel the guy's purchase out to his truck with hand carts.

Store had ample supplies of handgun ammo at reasonable prices, though.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 22, 2012 09:43 AM (8sCoq)

165 "Great, the True Believers have voted down a tax cut for 99.41% because we can't have it for 100%. So instead, 100% get a tax hike ..."

Never let the best become the enemy of the good.

"... we get blamed for it 100%, and the tag that 'Republicans are just out to protect the rich' is stuck on even harder with our True Believer cooperation."

Well, that's inevitable. According to the DNCM, whatever goes wrong is our fault. That's just how the world is now.


Posted by: Brown Line at December 22, 2012 09:43 AM (6d08e)

166 Herp da derp. Burp!

Posted by: John Boehner (D) at December 22, 2012 09:43 AM (I2LwF)

167 149 Cut out the Obama-underwear golf talk, you guys. You're making my putter stand! Posted by: chrissie matthews at December 22, 2012 _ _ _ _ _ _ Is somebody going to wash my balls? Or do I have to wash them myself? I'm the P0TU.S. for Crying out loud, I shouldn't have to wash my own balls.

Posted by: Empire of JEF at December 22, 2012 09:44 AM (0JB89)

168 Once and for all, there is NO DEBT LIMIT. An enterprise which has no budget and no limit on credit will eventually fail spectacularly.

LiB

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 22, 2012 09:44 AM (MmH0Z)

169 144 I think Obama really wants the Bush tax rates to expire, so he can come in as some sort of tax-cutting hero with a new rate schedule that gets even more people off the tax rolls entirely and puts far more of the tax burden on a shrinking upper class. Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 22, 2012 01:38 PM (RLZvP) --- Destroy the other side by coopting it into the grave. Then, implement your real policies. All to thunderous applause of the media!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 22, 2012 09:44 AM (Y5I9o)

170 I think Obama really wants the Bush tax rates to expire, so he can come in as some sort of tax-cutting hero with a new rate schedule that gets even more people off the tax rolls entirely and puts far more of the tax burden on a shrinking upper class.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at December 22, 2012 01:38 PM (RLZvP)

 

 

------------------------------------------------------

 

 

That's what Rush has been saying.  Dear Leader really does want to be looked on as the messiah.

 

The  repubs  have themselves over a barrel and they can blame no one but themselves.  They should  have taken a stand in 2011, but they didn't.  They wanted to get along.  So the rub is that they'll be blamed, no, excoriated, by the dems and the MFM no matter what they do now.  So the repubs should fall back on the Constituional route.  Fuck it.  We ain't got nothing to lose now.

 

 

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 09:45 AM (TGQSu)

171 118 Great, the True Believers have voted down a tax cut for 99.41% because we can't have it for 100%. So instead, 100% get a tax hike, we get blamed for it 100%, and the tag that "Republicans are just out to protect the rich" is stuck on even harder with our True Believer cooperation. The tax increase is because of Democrats. They insisted this be part of the deal in 2011. This was their input. We opposed it because a tax increase on employers is a ruinous idea which will not raise revenue.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 22, 2012 09:46 AM (uhAkr)

172 Anyone thin the Ryan as Speaker rumor has any legs? Personally doubt it.

Posted by: RWC at December 22, 2012 09:47 AM (sqp6o)

173 151 In Soviet Obamamerica, taxes pay you! Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) ___________ Yeah! You idiots still work for your money? Hahahahah. Oh sorry, I mean Keep working...you guys are doing a bangup job. So long, and Thanks for all the phones!!!

Posted by: Average 47%-er at December 22, 2012 09:47 AM (0JB89)

174 Isn't ball-washing Hairy Reed's job?

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 09:48 AM (oxNxk)

175
So we have a president that's a economic illiterate with seventh grade math issues and a bumbling appeasing rino working on the the world's largest economy.
Bet the Mayan calendar didn't see that coming.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 22, 2012 09:48 AM (mETGQ)

176 Just read the whole thing. 

All Boner is capable of is delivering crap sandwiches. 

Push your rep to vote against him.

Posted by: Valiant at December 22, 2012 09:48 AM (aFxlY)

177 OT

Quantity 4 left of the .223.

Get your shit now.

Posted by: EC at December 22, 2012 09:48 AM (doBIb)

178

>>Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker

 

How can you lose something you never had?

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 09:48 AM (SUKHu)

179 We need more Northeast electable (i.e. liberal) Republicans who are too smart and too sophisticated to let principles or other such nonsense get in the way of getting things done.

Posted by: Call me Ishmael at December 22, 2012 09:49 AM (p4U6S)

180 Boehner is doing a heck of a job, once you realize which team he is playing for: the government team.
____________

Exactly right.  The last 6 years only fail to make sense if you believe that the GOP wants to win elections and implement its vision.

Posted by: Bob at December 22, 2012 09:50 AM (7Mu/o)

181 170 We need more Northeast electable (i.e. liberal) Republicans Take my governor, please! (that would be Christie)

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 22, 2012 09:51 AM (53riN)

182 You stole fizzy lifting drink!
You. Get. Nothing!
Good day sir!

The negotiating skills are about the same.

Posted by: AE at December 22, 2012 09:52 AM (HYceo)

183 I can just about walk on water, don't believe me? Then you haven't seen the nice picture of me currently up on Drudge. http://tinyurl.com/crezktb

Posted by: Empire of JEF at December 22, 2012 09:52 AM (0JB89)

184 I promise steady-as-she-goes leadership, combined with the pizzazz of a self-given label. (Young Guns: kapweeng!) What this country needs is pale pastels in every Republican speech, conservative concessions in every bill, and economy-boosting BUDGET CUTS in the rate at which the yearly deficit increases. People who talk about replacing John Boehner, but not with the obvious next in line, can't be serious. That would be would be a rejection of the moderate mainstream of the Republican Party.

Posted by: Eric Cantor at December 22, 2012 09:53 AM (e0KhL)

185

Another thing that could very well be a factor here; and that's the out of control sense of "collegiality" among members of congress.  This has got to stop too.  It has caused more than one colossal fuck-up in the last couple of decades.   It's basically what gave us Boehner. 

 

 

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 09:56 AM (TGQSu)

186 This thread is freaking depressing, driving home as it does the fact that the US has no representation in Washington. Come on, Mexican scientists, it's mañana already. Where's SMOD?

Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2012 09:56 AM (FcR7P)

187 Y'all are thinking too proactively. Clearly the best thing to do is bend over. Don't you see what the President does to China, the Saudi's and other such nations we're in debt to? I have to follow suit!

Posted by: John Boenher at December 22, 2012 10:00 AM (RkH4v)

188

SMOD is like the republican party. All promise, no delivery.

 

I'd still like someone to point me at the last R win on a fiscal issue.

 

Ball is your court, R propagandists. Let's rock.

 

 

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:00 AM (OQpzc)

189 What makes this even worse is that Boehner can't even negotiate with his own party.  He doesn't even try.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 10:02 AM (TGQSu)

190 155  That shits gets you put on a watchlist.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 10:03 AM (X/+QT)

191

"We have seen the European Model of economics in  operation for many years. What has that done for their citizens? Are there  news reports of an  economic boom there today? No, what we  hear on the news is that  many governments are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, their unemployment rates are  higher than 20% and inflation is rampant. This is due to the inescapable fact that their  government has become far too  big, too  expensive and too intrusive in   their economies   to survive.  As a result of too much spending, many innocent people are suffering.

 

We will not allow that here. The lessons are clear: a government that is too large begins to drag any country's economy down.   If this administration were honest, it would revise the unemployment rate to reflect the actual numbers of Americans out of work, which currently runs around 11%. Inflation numbers  would be accurate and be around 9-10%. None of this needs  to happen. We   should be responsible stewards of the nations' taxpayer monies by not spending more than we take in.

 

Today, deficit spending will no longer occur on our watch. We have stopped the irresponsible    spending that Democrats have foolishly initiated during the 111th Congress. We will have an economic policy that encourages  responsible, economically viable spending in accordance with the Founder's vision  and   which   encourages the creation of wealth. Every American deserves to have as much money in their pockets as possible."

 

Stuff We'll Never Hear in Washington, Vol. I.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 22, 2012 10:03 AM (yiIja)

192

Since the Rs are going to roll over and present their ass one more time, I'm only going to support the Pork Party in any future elections.

 

My one, and only, qualification is how many fed bucks will you bring back from D.C.?

 

Go Blue state ethics!

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:03 AM (OQpzc)

193 "I doubt the movie will go anywhere near there but you know what my favorite part about reading WORLD WAR Z was? The complete and utter collapse of the United States into something that, in time, came to more closely resemble how it's actually supposed to be. " Um, the US government in the collapse turned into a giant FDR hard-on New Deal type Hell hole with all the capitalists leaving the US and taking over Cuba.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 22, 2012 10:05 AM (KCvsd)

194 SMOD is like the republican party. All promise, no delivery.

I'd still like someone to point me at the last R win on a fiscal issue.

Ball is your court, R propagandists. Let's rock.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 02:00 PM (OQpzc)

 

 

 

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Three words:  Leadership, leadership, leadership. 

 

The repubs have none is those positions.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 10:05 AM (TGQSu)

195 170 We need more Northeast electable (i.e. liberal) Republicans who are too smart and too sophisticated to let principles or other such nonsense get in the way of getting things done. - Like me, but not so severely conservative.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 22, 2012 10:05 AM (e0KhL)

196 "You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free." I would have said, 'Fuck You" and walked out and given a press conference spelling out exactly what Obama threatened. Then again, I'm not a negotiator.

Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2012 10:06 AM (sdi6R)

197 I haven't read the comments yet. It seems to me the sensible thing would have been to craft a bill that would have been acceptable to his caucus. There was no chance of anything getting through the Senate anyway. That would have afforded us at least the appearance of a good faith effort.

Posted by: Eaton Cox is kind of a LIBNO at December 22, 2012 10:06 AM (q177U)

198 Now that there's a formal precedence, I would like have the entire Beltway reprimanded for excessive flatulence.

Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2012 10:07 AM (w3+gB)

199 Play by their rules.

If they can jack up a budget ('0 and then refuse to renogitate it (continuing resolutions for 4+ years), we can do the same.  Co-equal branch, yadda.

Refuse to raise the debt limit.  Either the budget/CRs get balanced or Obama has to plainly violate the Constitution in a way that some in the MSM might cover.

Well, he may just print money but that could crash the system fast. 

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 10:07 AM (X/+QT)

200 "You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free." No. With this WSJ report, it looks like the Tea Party was correct in rejecting Plan B. Now we need to raise the visibility of the other House Republicans and Democrats, and every Senator up for re-election ... ... make everyone see what sort of deal Dingy Harry whimpers to Teh Won. Get enough visibility, and no deal will happen. The Democrats have been keeping quiet, waiting for the Republican ... result. They fear the deal that Dingy Harry will excrete; with enough visibility, voting for it will end their careers in 2014. Visibility. Lots of it.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 22, 2012 10:08 AM (BlqIr)

201 Well, he may just print money but that could crash the system fast.
Posted by: Tonic Dog

I'm not convinced that would be worse than a long, protracted period of can-kicking.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 22, 2012 10:09 AM (FaqTv)

202 The things that no one in the GOP inside the beltway seems to realize or care about is that the meme > reality. All Boehner et al ever do is feed the beast. People (no us morons, average people) don't know or really care about the fiscal cliff until they see the bottom line. All giving into the Dem side does is perpetuate the meme that spending is vital and that a free lunch is a revenue generating function. Until you can convince people that deficit spending is abusive, and taxes actually do economic damage, it doesn't matter what the GOP does.

Posted by: Doc at December 22, 2012 10:09 AM (RkH4v)

203 House GOP to oust Boehner starting with a return to secret ballot voting for Speaker? (Warning: autoplay 'TV' commercial before Boehner statement; pause doesn't work but mute button does. Crap. Then it goes onto more video including an ad but pause will work then... at least on Firefox.)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 22, 2012 10:09 AM (jPVBi)

204 When it becomes obvious the other guy is not bargaining in good faith, you say, "Call me when you have a serious offer" and walk away.


And sanity: The answer to "I get that for free" is, "You'd better pull it out of your ass because you won't be getting any freebies from me."

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 22, 2012 10:10 AM (6H6FZ)

205 Like me, but not so severely conservative.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 22, 2012 02:05 PM (e0KhL)

 

Talk about self-delusion. We all so wanted Obama gone, we forgot our own intial loathing of the pivot boy Romney. The average voter never got past his ever changing positions.

 

And, since the last debate was nothing more than him sucking O's  dick, I can't believe I was surprised at the outcome.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:10 AM (OQpzc)

206 Smoking Meteor of Death sung to Oh Little Town Of Bethlehem

Oh Smoking Me-te-or of Death
What's taking you so long?
We're waiting for the sweet relief
That will bu-urn it all down

But in the darkened towers
Of Washington D C
They're finding ways to bugger me
That others have not found

Oh Smoking Me-te-or of Death
We wait with grim resolve
Our bankruptcy of purse and heart
And all our sins absolve


Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 22, 2012 10:11 AM (BAnPT)

207 186 170 We need more Northeast electable (i.e. liberal) Republicans who are too smart and too sophisticated to let principles or other such nonsense get in the way of getting things done. - Like me, but not so severely conservative. Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 22, 2012 02:05 PM (e0KhL) -- Helllooooo...

Posted by: Lincoln Chafee (I-RI) at December 22, 2012 10:11 AM (RkH4v)

208 This thread is depressing because the never-ending not-a-depression is depressing, and our so-called leadership is more interested in political kabuki that won't achieve anything than representing its people.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 10:12 AM (oxNxk)

209 192, It seems like the only thing a Pres can do with conflicting Congressional laws.  Spend 4x$$$$ but don't tax more than 1x$ and borrow more than 1x$.  He's forced to print money to make up the 2x$$

How do conflicts like this normally get settled in court (in a sane world)?  Last law wins?  Hmm... ?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 10:12 AM (X/+QT)

210 All Boehner would've had to say is,  the senate needs to send the House an annual budget.  If they don't, there's nothing to talk about.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 10:13 AM (TGQSu)

211 At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, "I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?" "You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free." - That's a slightly inexact quote. The rest of the sentence was, "but you will blow me first."

Posted by: A Fly On The Wall at December 22, 2012 10:13 AM (e0KhL)

212 Second look at Obama? I hate the guy, and he is a terrible leader, but....he is a genius campaigner. He's playing to his strengths. He's just going to run this west wing style media campaign for the next 4 years.

Posted by: Eaton Cox is kind of a LIBNO at December 22, 2012 10:13 AM (q177U)

213

We come on the Sloop Plan B,
My congressman and me
Around Georgetown we did roam
Meeting all night
Got into a fight
Well I feel so broke that
I wanna go home

So puff up John B's sails
See how the main fail gets
All for the Speaker abhorred
Let me go home

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2012 10:14 AM (wwsoB)

214 Get Newt in there. This is pathetic by Boehner.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at December 22, 2012 10:14 AM (3Kxux)

215 I have to sell my truck and while I was cleaning it out I found a donation request letter from Mitt Romney. It reminded me how I've been ripped off by the republican leadership since 1992.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 22, 2012 10:14 AM (BAnPT)

216 It is easy to criticize Boehner. But how many times have you Boehnered in your dealings with Obamabots?

How many times have you ceded the moral high ground -- without question -- to some smug progressive?

How many times have you let them get away with implying that you are a nazi/racist/idiot?

How many times have you gone halfway to meet a lefty, only to find they have not budged -- and expect to get that concession "for free"?

You don't like Boehner? Don't be a Boehner.

Learn how to negotiate. Learn how to get your way. Don't give up anything free to a progressive. Ensure that in any interaction with a progressive, you come out ahead.

Look how Buckley did it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8

Be a Buckley, not a Boehner

Posted by: Sweet Lou at December 22, 2012 10:14 AM (gsPPG)

217 I regret bitterly that I was so stupid as to give any credence whatsoever to any blogger or anyone else who thought Romney was 'electable'. 

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 22, 2012 10:15 AM (6H6FZ)

218 Yes, Boehner is way beyond his depth. But I think it is important to note that our president is a prick.

Posted by: MathMom at December 22, 2012 10:16 AM (t9ncT)

219 Boehner looks Asian to me. And if he had any cojones he'd fix the deficit by himself. Then he'd deport himself. What we should do as true and pure conservatives is put Pelosi back in charge of the House. That way we'd stop losing slower.

Posted by: Sharron Akin O'Mourdock at December 22, 2012 10:16 AM (r2PLg)

220 I keep wondering why Obama is negotiating with Boehner, but not Boehner and Reid. Why is Reid being given a pass and having no skin in the game?

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at December 22, 2012 10:16 AM (rz0yi)

221 201 All Boehner would've had to say is, the senate needs to send the House an annual budget. If they don't, there's nothing to talk about. - I thought of that, but it would have been so harsh and unyielding, it made me cry.

Posted by: John Boehner at December 22, 2012 10:17 AM (e0KhL)

222 SCOAMF. So, we have our own one of those (Boehner) too? Cool.

Posted by: we are screwed at December 22, 2012 10:17 AM (gKz+d)

223 I want the next Speaker to wear an eye patch and have "FUCK YOU" tattooed on his knuckles.  The "YOU" on the left hand because he only has three fingers; having lost one in a bar fight.

Posted by: Hammer at December 22, 2012 10:17 AM (5buGz)

224 People (no us morons, average people) don't know or really care about the fiscal cliff until they see the bottom line.

All giving into the Dem side does is perpetuate the meme that spending is vital and that a free lunch is a revenue generating function.

Until you can convince people that deficit spending is abusive, and taxes actually do economic damage, it doesn't matter what the GOP does.

Posted by: Doc at December 22, 2012 02:09 PM (RkH4v)

 

 

 

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It looks like they'll be getting an up-close and personal look of a failing economy now.  We  went off the cliff in 2011.  The bennies, and I don't care what they do in DC, are going to have to  start drying up.  Ocare will make sure of that.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 10:17 AM (TGQSu)

225 "Why is Reid being given a pass and having no skin in the game?"

They don't call it the Stupid party for nothing.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 22, 2012 10:18 AM (6H6FZ)

226 Case of Massengill. Epic Douche.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 22, 2012 10:18 AM (bmIPO)

227 The Republican Party is now the Whig Party. Enlightenment liberalism needs a new party to be its standard bearer. We will never succeed while we are shackled to this failed brand.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 10:18 AM (oxNxk)

228 We should give Boehner a homerwork assignment over the break.  Give him $100k and tell him to buy 5 cars over Xmas.  For less than list price.

But I just had a vision of the start of "Snatch"....buy a caravan and bring some money back.  That ended....badly.  Hahahaha!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 10:18 AM (X/+QT)

229 I'm at the point of "Let it Burn", most of the small business owners I know have already either sold their business or in the process of closing it down, including me.

this whole argument is only about 50-70 billion. The govt does that much in debt in a couple of weeks. We are getting 2+ trillion in new debt every year.

Since Barry is king, let him and prince Harry solve this, yeah, I wanna see how far  these scumbuckets are going to drain more and more money from people to pay for this gargantuan sized govt. Let is burn, no point in working hard to create more wealth for Barry and prince harry to "spread the wealth".

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at December 22, 2012 10:19 AM (3Kxux)

230 Boner should have been sticking 'No Budget' up Harry Reid's ass every day.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 22, 2012 10:20 AM (6H6FZ)

231 Spread Teh Burrrrrrrn, Obumbles.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 22, 2012 10:21 AM (bmIPO)

232 conservatives is put Pelosi back in charge of the House. That way we'd stop losing slower.

Posted by: Sharron Akin O'Mourdock at December 22, 2012 02:16 PM (r2PLg)

 

Your snark seems to  imply losing slowly is some kind of win. I think you are doing it wrong, because I find you repelant.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:21 AM (OQpzc)

233 221 Boner should have been sticking 'No Budget' up Harry Reid's ass every day.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 22, 2012 02:20 PM (6H6FZ)


Reid loves having objects inserted into his ass...rumor has it.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 22, 2012 10:22 AM (bmIPO)

234 Get Newt in there. This is pathetic by Boehner.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at December 22, 2012 02:14 PM (3Kxux)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

He's an asshole, and we certainly need an asshole.  But Gingrich has his own strange ideas on how the economy should operate.  When all is said and done, he's still a "big government" guy.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 10:22 AM (TGQSu)

235 No. With this WSJ report, it looks like the Tea Party was correct in rejecting Plan B.

Now we need to raise the visibility of the other House Republicans and Democrats, and every Senator up for re-election ...

... make everyone see what sort of deal Dingy Harry whimpers to Teh Won.

Get enough visibility, and no deal will happen. The Democrats have been keeping quiet, waiting for the Republican ... result. They fear the deal that Dingy Harry will excrete; with enough visibility, voting for it will end their careers in 2014.

Visibility. Lots of it.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 22, 2012 02:08 PM (BlqIr)


Amen. Obama went into this with the absolute certainty that Boehner and Cantor would cave and give him everything he wanted, and he nearly got it.

The Tea Party just saved our bacon.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at December 22, 2012 10:23 AM (lUkFQ)

236 Posted by: Sweet Lou at December 22, 2012 02:14 PM

How many times have you ceded the moral high ground -- without question -- to some smug progressive?

How many times have you let them get away with implying that you are a nazi/racist/idiot?

.....
I point out that they are the one who wants to force everyone to live by their rules so they are the Nazi bastard.
I remind them that when a minority disagrees with them the first thing they do is attack them for their race so they are the racist bastards.
I tell them they are idiots for supporting endless war, cops kicking in people's doors for their beliefs, and interfering in their religious beliefs.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 22, 2012 10:24 AM (BAnPT)

237 My people have a saying. If you beat a dead horse to make it go faster, it is still dead. Losing quickly, losing slowly, the only difference is how much time we waste on a dead horse.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 10:25 AM (oxNxk)

238

Pork Party, bitches.

 

Red states need to get some while some people are stupid enough to trade u real goods for our paper money.

 

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:25 AM (OQpzc)

239 Posted by: SurferDoc at December 22, 2012 02:15 PM

word

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 22, 2012 10:25 AM (BAnPT)

240 Who would run against Boner for Speaker?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 22, 2012 10:26 AM (MPjT8)

241 Amen. Obama went into this with the absolute certainty that Boehner and Cantor would cave and give him everything he wanted, and he nearly got it.The Tea Party just saved our bacon.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at December 22, 2012 02:23 PM (lUkFQ)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Agree.  I'm tired of being nice.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 10:28 AM (TGQSu)

242 If Boehner would make a fiery speech along the lines you all have suggested, the MSM would air it, to criticize him of course as being partisan, racist, etc. However, most of the people watching would agree with him.  So why doesn't he?

Cowardice.

He really believes fiscal conservatism is evil.

Sad thing is, if Ryan takes over, he will immediately be surrounded by gurus and lobbyists who would all convince him to "moderate" his message. And I think it would happen.

Posted by: PJ at December 22, 2012 10:28 AM (ZWaLo)

243

I'm still waiting for one of you holier than thou fiscal conservative to point out the  big fiscal win the Rs have provided lately.

 

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:29 AM (OQpzc)

244 epic double thread stomp above

Posted by: Eaton Cox is kind of a LIBNO at December 22, 2012 10:30 AM (q177U)

245 @234. Show me something the SoCons have done that hasn't turned into a complete fustercluck and you can talk.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 10:31 AM (oxNxk)

246 I'm still waiting for one of you holier than thou fiscal conservative to point out the big fiscal win the Rs have provided lately.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 02:29 PM (OQpzc)

 

 

-----------------------------------------

 

 

In congress, it's the leadership that the MFM report on, and it's the leadership that has final negotians with the opposition.  We just haven't had any fiscal cons in leadership  positions.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2012 10:32 AM (TGQSu)

247 Show me something the SoCons have done that hasn't turned into a complete fustercluck and you can talk.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 02:31 PM (oxNxk)

 

If opposing baby killing, or opposing O'care under freedom of religion is a "clusterfuck:" there isn't a nation worth saving.

 

Selling your soul, and still not getting a tax break must suck.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:35 AM (OQpzc)

248 Losing with dignity isn't a success, how did opposing Obamacare under freedom of religion work any better than opposing it under freedom of choice? Also, it isn't the business of government to get everyone into heaven. Seriously, would you like to be responsible for legislating someone like Nancy Pelosi up to the pearly gates?

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 10:38 AM (oxNxk)

249 What kills me is that for 8 years all we have heard is that the Bush tax cuts were for the "rich" and didn't benefit the middle class at all and now all of a sudden the middle class is apparently about to get screwed by these so called tax cuts for the "rich" expiring. Well color me shocked.

Posted by: Metalgod at December 22, 2012 10:40 AM (YgIJ8)

250 239 Invictus is the socon who really hates fiscons.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 10:41 AM (X/+QT)

251 Seriously, would you like to be responsible for legislating someone like Nancy Pelosi up to the pearly gates?

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 02:38 PM (oxNxk)

I nominate John Boehner for the job.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 22, 2012 10:45 AM (Qxe/p)

252 would you like to be responsible for legislating someone like Nancy Pelosi up to the pearly gates?

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 02:38 PM (oxNxk)

 

What I would like if for the Federal Government to not have reached a point that it promises to fine Catholic Charities into bankruptcy if they do not meekly offer their necks for a statist leash.

 

You will have to choose which one is your ally, because the very idea of fiscal conservative is nothing more than a dream. The Rs have sold you out on that.

 

Since that is true, you'll have to choose a side without regard to the fraud of fiscal conservatism. Which side will you choose?

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:45 AM (OQpzc)

253 Invictus is the socon who really hates fiscons.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 02:41 PM (X/+QT)

 

I do. They lie.

 

Again, what was their last victory?

 

Convice me they aren't just a lie we tell ourselves.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 10:47 AM (OQpzc)

254 We need a professional nagotiator. They are used in business every day. The GOP is under the impression that the Democrats will conduct themselves as gentlemen and women with honor and integrity. President Obama and his administration have demonstrated time and again that this is not the case. The face of politics is changing, nay, has changed. It changed with the Clinton administration and James Carville, although I think even James Carville has at least some semblance of honesty within him. President Obama and his group, not so much. Win at all costs. Lie, cheat, steal. The ends justify the means. The Allinsky way.

Posted by: TheOtherJay at December 22, 2012 10:49 AM (5erAP)

255 We need a professional nagotiator. They are used in business every day. The GOP is under the impression that the Democrats will conduct themselves as gentlemen and women with honor and integrity. President Obama and his administration have demonstrated time and again that this is not the case. The face of politics is changing, nay, has changed. It changed with the Clinton administration and James Carville, although I think even James Carville has at least some semblance of honesty within him. President Obama and his group, not so much. Win at all costs. Lie, cheat, steal. The ends justify the means. The Allinsky way.

Posted by: TheOtherJay at December 22, 2012 10:49 AM (5erAP)

256 And social conservatism isn't a dream? The party leadership abandoned your positions the same way it abandoned mine. They only talk about the things you care about to get your money and your vote, then its right back to growing the government. A big government is my enemy as a fiscal conservative as its yours as a religious one, and our party only pays lip service to both of us.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 10:50 AM (oxNxk)

257 And social conservatism isn't a dream? The party leadership abandoned your positions the same way it abandoned mine. They only talk about the things you care about to get your money and your vote, then its right back to growing the government. A big government is my enemy as a fiscal conservative as its yours as a religious one, and our party only pays lip service to both of us.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 10:50 AM (oxNxk)

258 A big government is my enemy as a fiscal conservative as its yours as a religious one, and our party only pays lip service to both of us.

Posted by: Cato at December 22, 2012 02:50 PM (oxNxk)

 

So, we are still allies. I will support you, if you support me.

 

win/win.

 

 

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 11:02 AM (OQpzc)

259 SoCons haven't been telling Fiscal Cons to sacrifice their principles for the sake of electability, and then failing to provide either electability or results from the people that were elected. Fiscal Cons have been doing that to SoCons for decades.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 22, 2012 11:05 AM (P0Qb3)

260 245 We need a professional negotiator.
Posted by: TheOtherJay at December 22, 2012 02:49 PM (5erAP)


+1  I had a similiar thought.   A non-consultant empowered to have balls and use them.  With a good media presence.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 22, 2012 11:07 AM (X/+QT)

261 If I was Obama, I wouldn't offer anything either.  Jeebus.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2012 11:08 AM (Iyg03)

262 They've got Boehner's number.  And they've had it for years.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2012 11:08 AM (Iyg03)

263 Cantor has to go with Boehner, back to being a rep only, not in the republican leadership. They are interested in keeping their own power and do not give a thought to the people that a elected them. Both must go, ASAP. They are fools if they think they can win in negotiations with someone who only changes his demands. This makes me sick, I heard Mark Levin say last night that TFG is trying to make a profit from the Newtown shooting last week. I' was working and didn't hear all of it. It might have been Rush, but he's definitely trying to raise money from it. TFG, JEF and SCOAMF are not enough to describe this man, we need a new one!

Posted by: CarolT at December 22, 2012 11:13 AM (z4WKX)

264 248 Libertarians and social conservatives have little in common, and pretty much hate each other. But the RINO leadership hates us both equally. They want us both to STFD and STFU.

Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2012 11:22 AM (sdi6R)

265 I keep wondering why Obama is negotiating with Boehner, but not Boehner and Reid. Why is Reid being given a pass and having no skin in the game?

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at December 22, 2012 02:16 PM (rz0yi

 

Whenever Obama "summons" someone to meet with him (usually when a fabricated crisis is happening), he gets precisely what he asks for.  Which begs the question: What does he use to manipulate these people?  This goes all the way back to Obamacare negatiations with CBO head all the way to Justice Roberts and now Bonehead.  Me thinks he is digging dirt or threatening people. 

Posted by: MidwesterbSceptic at December 22, 2012 11:23 AM (cxl8k)

266 Here is the problem that CANNOT be solved;

Obama and the left, which includes the MSM, want to destroy the right and the Republicans MORE than they want a deal.

And because they can play anything the Republicans do as bad/evil and anything Obama does as great and god like we will lose.

The low information voter (you know the morons) rule the nation.

LET IT BURN!!!

Posted by: bobbymike at December 22, 2012 11:31 AM (wJSZn)

267 <i>The low information voter (you know the morons) rule the nation.>/i>

In one line, you have perfectly described the present and the future. Which is why I give it five years max until all sites like this one, sadly, disappear.

Posted by: finger at December 22, 2012 11:39 AM (mV5Rx)

268 oops

Posted by: finger at December 22, 2012 11:40 AM (mV5Rx)

269 "TFG, JEF and SCOAMF are not enough to describe this man, we need a new one! "

Before you get a new one, and someone define the old ones for me?

Posted by: Agnes Day at December 22, 2012 11:42 AM (scOyJ)

270 America in 2012 is increasingly looking like the Weimar Republic. The political opposition is feckless, craven, and weak. We are poised for permanent one-party rule, and that party has a Marxist demagogue as its leader. Why should he compromise? He has all the cards now. What we need now is a General Pinochet to put a stop to this crap.

Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2012 11:48 AM (sdi6R)

271

TFG: That F'n Guy

 

JEF: Jug Eared F'k.

 

SCOAMF: Stuttering ClusterF'k Of A Miserable Failure

 

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 11:49 AM (OQpzc)

272 I might refer you to a winning position in which the various wings of conservative thought banded together against the former USSR.   Profit

Posted by: Plainsman at December 22, 2012 12:05 PM (frxVF)

273 @robertcostaNRO @mboyle1 but until I hear a member say publicly that they're going to push for secret ballot, memo will be hot topic, but a horse sans rider

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 22, 2012 12:16 PM (YjDyJ)

274 ‏@StevenTDennis @DavidMDrucker @robertcostanro There is a draft Ryan effort every 2 yrs. He's told me hates the leadership grind, has kids etc.& '16/20 loom

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 22, 2012 12:19 PM (YjDyJ)

275 @robertcostaNRO People to watch/listen closely to next wk: Price (outgoing policy chair), Hensarling (outgoing conf chair), and Jordan (RSC favorite). Why Price may ignore coup chatter: Just got budget vice chair. At his pal Ryan's side, and in good position for leadership run post Boehner Why Hensarling may ignore coup chatter: Leaving conference post. Didn't seem to love it there. Now has real power as chair of Fin Serv Why Jordan may ignore coup chatter: Leaving the RSC chair, giving the reins to Scalise. Also: too many likely headaches http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60185.html Â…

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 22, 2012 12:24 PM (YjDyJ)

276 Scalise. Also: too many likely headaches http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60185.html Â…

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 22, 2012 04:24 PM (YjDyJ)

 

Debt ceiling.

 

All the rest is bullshit.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 12:39 PM (OQpzc)

277 265 Debt ceiling. All the rest is bullshit. The point is that there are only a handful of members who could realistically consider challenging Boehner and all have reasons to avoid volunteering. Moreover, in Ryan's case, I am unsure as to whether he possesses the political savvy to do the job.

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 22, 2012 01:01 PM (YjDyJ)

278 49 Trying to deal with the Democratic Party is pointless. It can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with. That's the perfect description of Evil. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 22, 2012 01:05 PM They gave the perfect description of Obama (and the Democrat Party and the MFM and all liberals for that matter) in The Dark Knight: "...[H]e thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 22, 2012 01:22 PM (vUK/h)

279 Well if Barry the Bullshitter starts castigating the Republicans during the SoTU, they should grow several pairs and walk out.

Posted by: Stacy0311 at December 22, 2012 01:44 PM (nCRP2)

280 Where's Ace?

Posted by: roscoe99 at December 22, 2012 02:05 PM (Znv7u)

281

"At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, 'I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?'

'You get nothing,' the president said. 'I get that for free.'"

Had I been in the speaker's position, I would have walked out right then and there, put the phone into "take message" mode, then start formulating a plan to make sure the public would be told of ALL the details of what went on and Obie's bad-faith negotiating.

If Obie wants to try being an asshole, let's show him what dealing with a real asshole would be like.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 22, 2012 07:55 PM (A3ftE)

282 "Had I been in the speaker's position, I would have walked out right then and there, put the phone into "take message" mode, then start formulating a plan to make sure the public would be told of ALL the details of what went on and Obie's bad-faith negotiating. If Obie wants to try being an asshole, let's show him what dealing with a real asshole would be like." +100

Posted by: Chris Balsz at December 22, 2012 08:56 PM (dmHHQ)

283 "He could start by ignoring Obama and dragging the Senate Democrats into this."

+1.

Obama and Reid are playing the 'bad cop / even worse / lazy corrupt cop' routine.  Tell Obama that he has nothing on the table if its not through the Senate first. Tell them to get it through the Senate, the House will revise it,
and then they will meet in House-Senate conference to hash it all out.

Then put the budget guns on it - Ryan, Price, Coburn, etc. Let them battle the Dem counterparts.

These 'negotiations' are a total fail that gives all the power to the President.

A Congressional mark-up process is not only more proper, more democratic, it will also lead to a better outcome politically for the GOP than being a patsy for Obama's histrionics.




Posted by: Harry P Ness Reid at December 23, 2012 07:31 PM (oLIxy)

284

Razor's edge: Pass a bill extending the current tax rates (including the payroll tax) for 4 years, state it is moronic to raise tax rates on ANYBODY in an anemic "recovery" when we have Fed rates cranked to zero, tell the people that the Dems will be responsible for raising the payroll taxes on minimum wage folk, and go HOME.

 

That's it. Let Obama own it.

Posted by: Occam's Tool at December 24, 2012 02:27 PM (OcQfO)

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