June 26, 2012

Counterpoint to Hot Air's Dismissal of WAA Polls
— CAC

Ed is right on WAA blowing Wisconsin.

You want to know who also blew Wisconsin, badly?

Public Policy Polling. They came in fifth in terms of accuracy there, took to twitter congratulating the Barrett team for their internals when the exit polls leaked out, and also blew Arizona 8. Yet we know the common reactions over at Hot Air when Jensen&Co push one out. Resident polltroll Greg jumps on them here, himself.

Dismissing WAA's VA polling showing Romney up by nearly 5 would make sense for the Wisconsin reason, if you also dismissed the firms who blew it in the other direction.

Or you do what we do here at #AOSHQDD, take them all into account, and wait for a confirmation of a "shock" poll to see if it is an outliner or a trend.

Just a tip, Ed. One data point does not a trend make. Or a reason to toss.

Posted by: CAC at 07:37 AM | Comments (277)
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1 Shorter CAC: one data point does not a trend make.

Posted by: Andy at June 26, 2012 07:39 AM (5Rurq)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 07:39 AM (8y9MW)

3 PPP is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable polling agency.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 07:39 AM (8y9MW)

4 The first thing a pollsters asks when you commission a poll is "What results do you want?"

Generally, only market research polling is honest.

Posted by: Kristopher at June 26, 2012 07:40 AM (0aV2C)

5 Actually BHO tried to blow Wisconsin but he traveled through their back door during Walker Fest.

Posted by: Clemenza at June 26, 2012 07:41 AM (fCSfn)

6 I do enjoy a good polling.

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at June 26, 2012 07:41 AM (Ky1+e)

7 Yeah, I got scooped up in a PPP poll just the other day. Didn't think it was too bad.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 07:41 AM (0q2P7)

8 You want to know who also blew Wisconsin *raises hand*

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 26, 2012 07:42 AM (buxp8)

9 Pavlov rang a bell and made the dog salivate.

Anyone releases a poll and "Poppin' Fresh" salivates.

Neither the dogs nor "Captain Ed" can help themselves. They're conditioned that way.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 26, 2012 07:43 AM (MQc8e)

10 I put a Romney sticker on the back of the car before I drove to the Richmond Flying Squirrels game on Saturday.   I take partial credit for the polling results.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 26, 2012 07:45 AM (l3vZN)

11 Though I'm not a big fan of teh Hot Gassers, Ed's pretty much dead on w/ any issue he tackles.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 07:46 AM (UZQM8)

12 >>>Counterpoint to Hot Air's Dismissal of WAA Polls

What that tepid herd of Eeyores? Dudes you're harshing my mellow. It's always better than you guys think it is.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 07:46 AM (0q2P7)

13 What is We Ask America's methodology--? That might be something to consider.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 07:47 AM (r2PLg)

14

Well, you know what Wisconsin can do to me?

That's right.

Posted by: Mel Gibson at June 26, 2012 07:47 AM (RFeQD)

15 O, I am sure Ed loves you're "tips"...ha-ha

Posted by: Brian at June 26, 2012 07:47 AM (wTSvK)

16 WHEN CACs ATTACK!!@!

Posted by: kallisto at June 26, 2012 07:48 AM (jm/9g)

17 Almost ALL polls are worthless right now for anything other than trending. They will not mean anything until at least a month after the Republican convention. 

Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 07:48 AM (YdQQY)

18 Can't we get back to good, old fashion, reliable reading of animal entrails.  It works better than climate computer models, too.

P.S.  OT:  I see Commentary Magazine is hawking Lizzie Warren for the White House in 2016.  That's what I want to see, a Hillary/Warronimo death match.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 07:49 AM (Hx5uv)

19 Generally, only market research polling is honest. Posted by: Kristopher at June 26, 2012 11:40 AM (0aV2C) ********** This. The Field Poll is one of the most reliable in the country--but their bread and butter is polling for businesses not making headlines for the news media. (plus they only poll Cali.)

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 07:49 AM (r2PLg)

20 PPP had Walker+3, he won +7. PPP had Barber+12, he won +6

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 26, 2012 07:49 AM (yAor6)

21 good for CAC, Hot Air's polling analysis has always irked me

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 26, 2012 07:50 AM (yAor6)

22 You want to know who also blew Wisconsin, badly?


The Unions? I'm pretty sure that they used teeth and in the bad way.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 26, 2012 07:50 AM (Gk3SS)

23 I got a call from Rasmussen yesterday. They now know that I am a likely voter, poor, white, Republican, mildly enthusiastic about our candidates, and hate Obama with the heat of a thousand suns.

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 26, 2012 07:50 AM (CXCpj)

24 15 O, I am sure Ed loves you're "tips"...ha-ha Posted by: Brian at June 26, 2012 11:47 AM (wTSvK) ********* Well believe it or not there was a time when Captian Ed was all excited and made big sweeping statements about a Republican's 2% drop in polling. Someone--had to explain the MOE to him.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 07:50 AM (r2PLg)

25

18 -

 

Really, Liz is their gal?  What was Anthony's Weiner unavailable? 

 

Jokes about these people are redundant. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 26, 2012 07:51 AM (TOk1P)

26 23 I got a call from Rasmussen yesterday. They now know that I am a likely voter, poor, white, Republican, mildly enthusiastic about our candidates, and hate Obama with the heat of a thousand suns. Posted by: Grey Fox at June 26, 2012 11:50 AM (CXCpj) ****** Hmmm... I'd love to know how they determined "likely voter". Did they ask you where your polling place is?

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 07:52 AM (r2PLg)

27 It's just a rock. Oh, sorry, wrong thread.

Posted by: Ronster at June 26, 2012 07:53 AM (mHC3R)

28

PPP's last Michgan poll had Obama up by FOURTEEN.

 

I do not recall anyone getting the vapors over that one. 

 

P.S.:  I must have missed the part where Barrett won.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 26, 2012 07:53 AM (B+qrE)

29 Ed wants everyone on a even keel, not too excited or distressed about anything, kinda like living on Prozac. His idea of excitement is a hardy huzzah after a impressive poop.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 26, 2012 07:54 AM (4cRnj)

30 OT: A snippet from Ofourputt's newest missive. I will be the first president in modern history to be outspent in his re-election campaign, if things continue as they have so far. I'm not just talking about the super PACs and anonymous outside groups -- I'm talking about the Romney campaign itself. Those outside groups just add even more to the underlying problem. The Romney campaign raises more than we do, and the math isn't hard to understand: Through the primaries, we raised almost three-quarters of our money from donors giving less than $1,000, while Mitt Romney's campaign raised more than three-quarters of its money from individuals giving $1,000 or more. And, again, that's not including the massive outside spending by super PACs and front groups funneling up to an additional billion dollars into ads trashing me, you, and everything we believe in. We can be outspent and still win -- but we can't be outspent 10 to 1 and still win."

Posted by: jakeman at June 26, 2012 07:55 AM (96M6e)

31

I see Commentary Magazine is hawking Lizzie Warren for the White House in 2016.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 26, 2012 07:55 AM (B+qrE)

32
What's with the ever-so-often attacks on HotAir?

It simply makes no sense...

Posted by: seems rather silly at June 26, 2012 07:55 AM (HOOye)

33 You want to know who also blew Wisconsin, badly?

No teeth, dammit!

Posted by: Wisconsin at June 26, 2012 07:56 AM (KF/Jh)

34 11 Though I'm not a big fan of teh Hot Gassers, Ed's pretty much dead on w/ any issue he tackles. Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 11:46 AM (UZQM Agreed... maybe you should spar with one of the "b" teamers before taking on the Cap. Just a tip // ;-)

Posted by: Brian at June 26, 2012 07:56 AM (wTSvK)

35 Hmmm... I'd love to know how they determined "likely voter".



Did they ask you where your polling place is?

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 11:52 AM (r2PLg)

 

They asked how often I voted during regular elections, and no, they didn't.

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 26, 2012 07:57 AM (CXCpj)

36 I'm getting a thrill up my leg for the other part of the WAA poll:  Allen (R) over Kaine (D) by 9 for the Senate.  They may be outliers, but perhaps showing a healthy trend.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 26, 2012 07:58 AM (l3vZN)

37 I hate to be the true pessimist but --towards the end you look for signs of what the internal polls are telling the campaigns. In 2004--you could tell Nevada was going down to the wire because the campaigns kept stopping over in Las Vegas. Now...Pennsylvania--the ongoing argument. You cannot waste your money their if the internal polling is telling you--that it isn't in reach. Close doesn't cut it. If you lose by 1% you don't get any of PA's electoral votes. And, you have to go after and preserve what you can get. Ohio and Florida are both polling better for Romney. Campaign cash is finite--if you've got enough to blow--then maybe.... But--the other finite thing--is-- the candidate's TIME. That's another "expense" and there is only so much surrogates can do.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 07:59 AM (r2PLg)

38 Greg took a poll in his pants and now his mommy has to change his diapers again

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 26, 2012 07:59 AM (1Jaio)

39 OT: A snippet from Ofourputt's newest missive.

I will be the first president in modern history to be outspent in his re-election campaign, if things continue as they have so far.

****

Does your seven year old really need a cake and gifts for his birthday?  Send me the money instead I'll ensure that your seven year old's future is done for.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 08:00 AM (Hx5uv)

40

[]One data point does not a trend make. Or a reason to toss.

 

I don't know...Kate Beckinsale's leather clad ass is enough data point for me.

Posted by: garrett at June 26, 2012 08:00 AM (18EBe)

41 your money *there*. oy.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:00 AM (r2PLg)

42 Liar Greg just hits and runs, never replies and answers questions. he did before, you know, when he was lying and saying he was one of us

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 26, 2012 08:01 AM (yAor6)

43 We can be outspent and still win -- but we can't be outspent 10 to 1 and still win."

Posted by: jakeman at June 26, 2012 11:55 AM (96M6e)

**

***

Aaah...the tears of a clown.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at June 26, 2012 08:02 AM (eavT+)

44 The Virginia poll was of likely racists but I'm sure it's accurate.

Posted by: Gerg at June 26, 2012 08:03 AM (4cRnj)

45 Ed and Allah should occasionally be beaten, just on general principle.

Posted by: toby928© at June 26, 2012 08:03 AM (QupBk)

46 I agree with much of what CAC says, and yet I think this poll is probably an outlier.  I think it's probably closer to a tie, perhaps a slight (statistically insignificant) Romney lead.  The reason why is the thoroughly implausible Senate race numbers for Allen/Kaine.  There's simply no way that Kaine is only pulling 35% in the race at this or any other point, not as a well known former Governor whose numbers in every other poll are usually far higher (at a 45-48% level that tracks the partisan ID of the state fairly well).

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 26, 2012 08:03 AM (FCfv5)

47 Alll I want to know about Wisconsin is when is Walker gonna be Pres. The other thing I want to know is who is Romney's choice for SoS.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 08:04 AM (UZQM8)

48

You gotta be a poll troll,

if you want Obama's hole

you gotta be a poll troll

to get in

Posted by: Frank Reynolds at June 26, 2012 08:04 AM (/Mla1)

49 Building one bridge does not make a bridge builder, suck one cock though...you're a cock sucker.

Posted by: B. Frank at June 26, 2012 08:05 AM (eavT+)

50 >>>he was lying and saying he was one of us

Yes an outed concern troll. Greg has tried to float bad info more than once. He has but one purpose to sap moral and motivation. To help push a losing meme. He's easy enough to counter.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 08:06 AM (0q2P7)

51 A former U.S. president is accusing the current president of sanctioning the “widespread abuse of human rights” by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.

Jimmy Carter, America’s 39 th president, denounced the Obama administration for “clearly violating” 10 of the 30 articles of theUniversal Declaration of Human Rights, writing in a New York Times op-ed on Monday that the “United States is abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights.”

“Instead of making the world safer, America’s violation of international human rights abets our enemies and alienates our friends,” Carter wrote.

Posted by: Yasser Arafat at June 26, 2012 08:06 AM (e8kgV)

52 every time Greg is referred to we should remind everyone he's an ousted liar, never to be trusted

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 26, 2012 08:07 AM (yAor6)

53 What bothers me most about HotAir is they refuse to ever ban their trolls. They know they'll get more posts if they keep them there.

Posted by: joe at June 26, 2012 08:07 AM (i3OIF)

54

IÂ’m a bit confused.

 

CAC agrees with Ed that WAA “blew Wisconsin”.  The fact is that WAA predicted 54% for Walker, with the final count being 53.1%.  They nailed the winner and were less than 1% off on his eventual total.  Who cares if they didnÂ’t get the loserÂ’s percentage right?

Posted by: jwest at June 26, 2012 08:07 AM (ZDsRL)

55 They asked how often I voted during regular elections, and no, they didn't. Posted by: Grey Fox at June 26, 2012 11:57 AM (CXCpj) ******* Thanks for the info.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:09 AM (r2PLg)

56 >>>Who cares if they didnÂ’t get the
loserÂ’s percentage right?

That is a good point.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 08:09 AM (0q2P7)

57

 WAA predicted 54% for
Walker, with the final count being 53.1%.

 

Reach in my pocket and grab your prize.

Posted by: Zombie Bob Barker at June 26, 2012 08:09 AM (18EBe)

58 Meh, whatever. I quit reading Eddie Milquetoast a long time ago.

Posted by: Countrysquire at June 26, 2012 08:10 AM (QB3JR)

59 OR Polls are easy to figure out. If the DK kids like 'em, they are incorrect. If the DK kids pick 'em apart, then you know it's correct.

Posted by: MJ at June 26, 2012 08:11 AM (/x4oj)

60 OT, looks like the dim-wits in Congress want to kick the Sequestration can further down the road until March 2013.

http://tinyurl.com/7bz9y3d

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2012 08:11 AM (jiPkH)

61 McJuan supposedly outing leaker, via drudge, naturally it's "developing.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 08:11 AM (UZQM8)

62 At this point IT DOESN'T MATTER how Romney is polling.  All that matters is Obama's number because he ain't gonna get more than that.  During a bad economy almost all of the indecided's either stay home or break for the challenger.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 26, 2012 08:11 AM (hlUJY)

63 I’m a bit confused. CAC agrees with Ed that WAA “blew Wisconsin”. The fact is that WAA predicted 54% for Walker, with the final count being 53.1%. They nailed the winner and were less than 1% off on his eventual total. Who cares if they didn’t get the loser’s percentage right? Posted by: jwest at June 26, 2012 12:07 PM (ZDsRL) What I don't understand myself is why so many people assume we are doomed in Virginia when previous statewide election results prove otherwise. By what logic does someone vote for Gov. McDonnell but then vote for Obama?

Posted by: joe at June 26, 2012 08:14 AM (i3OIF)

64 McJuan supposedly outing leaker, via drudge, naturally it's "developing.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 12:11 PM (UZQM



Just like McShitty.  Cross the aisle and join forces with a Dem and still be a day late and a dollar short.  The leaker was outed weeks ago on BB.

Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 08:15 AM (YdQQY)

65 Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 11:49 AM (Hx5uv)

On-line, or in the printed version?

Link please.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 26, 2012 08:15 AM (nEUpB)

66 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 08:16 AM (Xb3hu)

67 A former U.S. president is accusing the current president of sanctioning the “widespread abuse of human rights” by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.

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They may disagree with each other but they are still both wrong.  It is sort of like a reverse chrono-synclastic infundibulum.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 08:16 AM (Hx5uv)

68 It's moves like this that tell you a candidate's polling is really bad. Yet another possible setback for the Democratic party. According to the Saint Louis Beacon, Missouri senator Claire McCaskill, who is in the middle of a tough reelection fight, might skip the Democratic convention in September. The Weekly Standard

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:17 AM (r2PLg)

69 >>>McJuan supposedly outing leaker, via drudge, naturally it's "developing.

They've got another zombie attack too. This one on a dog.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 08:17 AM (0q2P7)

70 Between Eyepundit's mooning over Meggie Mac 'n' Cheese and Ed Morrisey I rarely go to Hot Air. 

I still think Allah massages hot oil on Morrisey's bald head.


Posted by: mpfs at June 26, 2012 08:18 AM (iYbLN)

71

Tangentially, I think we spend way too much time analyzing data from past Presidential elections, and from that we think we can identify a trend to hold onto for the upcoming election.  Presidential elections are infrequent, choices are determined based upon largely subjective analysis, and the population parameters are completely different each time around. 

 

This reinforces the point made in the previous post that a 50-state strategy (even in NY, CA,and IL, with virtually no chance of turning red) demonstrates that a candidate is serious about being a national leader as opposed to a candidate who seeks 270.    

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 26, 2012 08:18 AM (Ec6wH)

72 Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 11:49 AM (Hx5uv)

On-line, or in the printed version?

Link please.

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http://preview.tinyurl.com/6r3qjsh

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 08:20 AM (Hx5uv)

73 That stuff about Obama being outspent 10 to 1 and only getting money from the little people is complete crap. Last I saw any FEC and Opensecrets data, Obama had more cash on hand than Romney and plenty of fat donors. True, he is also spending it like a Democrat in office, and his sources of plump change seem to be drying up, but...... BTW, posted by toby928 on last thread: "If you plan on donating to Romney, do it now. Early money is worth twice as much."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 26, 2012 08:21 AM (C8mVl)

74 OT:Author of "Where The Wild Things Are" fantasized about being a suicide bomber to kill Bush and Cheney.(and their WIVES) SENDAK: Bush was president, I thought, “Be brave. Tie a bomb to your shirt. Insist on going to the White House. And I wanna have a big hug with the vice president, definitely. And his wife, and the president, and his wife, and anybody else that can fit into the love hug.” GROTH: A group hug. SENDAK: And then we’ll blow ourselves up, and I’d be a hero. [Groth laughs.] To hell with the kiddie books. He killed Bush. He killed the vice president. Oh my God. GROTH: I would have been willing to forgo this interview. [Sendak laughs.] SENDAK: You would have forgotten about it. It would have been a very brave and wonderful thing. But I didn’t do it; I didn’t do it.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 08:22 AM (Xb3hu)

75
Just like McShitty. Cross the aisle and join forces with a Dem and still be a day late and a dollar short. The leaker was outed weeks ago on BB.

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The leaker will turn out to be Darrell Issa according to McCain.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 08:22 AM (Hx5uv)

76 75 The interviewer is also a sick fuck but no,the right is viloent.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 08:22 AM (Xb3hu)

77 OT:Author of "Where The Wild Things Are" fantasized about being a suicide bomber to kill Bush and Cheney.(and their WIVES)

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Yeah, but with love bombs.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 08:23 AM (Hx5uv)

78

I still think Allah massages hot oil on Morrisey's bald head.

 

Morrisey dips his bald head in oil and rubs it all over my naked body.

Posted by: Allah Frumpy-Chaser at June 26, 2012 08:24 AM (18EBe)

79 That stuff about Obama being outspent 10 to 1 and only getting money from the little people is complete crap. Last I saw any FEC and Opensecrets data, Obama had more cash on hand than Romney and plenty of fat donors.

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You mean like Hollywood pervert/addict coalition and George Soros?

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 26, 2012 08:25 AM (Hx5uv)

80 OT but my nightmare is Roberts siding with the liberal SC members and upholding the shit stain tommmorrow. As a final fuck you of the Bush years his justice nominee upholds this, so basically Bush will have led to not only Obama getting elected but socialized healthcare.

Posted by: Mr Pink at June 26, 2012 08:26 AM (MOqbH)

81 Mr. Pink Do ...not...make...me.... repost Justice Roberts from oral argument--on the constitutionality of the individual mandate.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:27 AM (r2PLg)

82 81 I said it yesterday,I have a bad feeling about Roberts,if not tomorrow than down the road.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 08:28 AM (Xb3hu)

83 Joe said 12:14 pm: What I don't understand myself is why so many people assume we are doomed in Virginia when previous statewide election results prove otherwise. By what logic does someone vote for Gov. McDonnell but then vote for Obama? ----------------------------------------------------------- This. McDonnell won over 58% in 2009. In 2010, we picked up more Republican seats in the General Assembly. McDonnell's approval rate is currently 53%+. How does this translate into a state that "leans Obama"? Romney and Allen will both win handily.

Posted by: thevirginian at June 26, 2012 08:28 AM (SVDjH)

84

O/T -- Rush talking about AZ getting the shaft on illegal apprehension made me think of this, which I got in an email.  Any Dallas morons know if this is true?  If so, it's ingenious.

 

"The City of Dallas, Texas, passed an ordinance stating that if a driver is pulled over by law enforcement and is not able to provide proof of insurance, the car is towed.

 

 
To retrieve the car after being impounded, they must show proof of insurance to have the car released. This has made it easy for the City of Dallas to remove uninsured cars.

 


Shortly after the "No Insurance" ordinance was passed, the Dallas impound lots began to fill up and were full after nine days.. Over 80% of the impounded cars were driven by ILLEGALS. Not only must they provide proof of insurance to have their car released, they have to pay for the cost of the tow, a $350 fine, and $20 for every day their car is kept in the lot.
Accident rates have gone down 47%, and Dallas ' solution gets uninsured drivers off the road without making them show proof of nationality. "


Posted by: RushBabe at June 26, 2012 08:29 AM (tQHzJ)

85 64---"By what logic does someone vote for Gov. McDonnell but then vote for Obama?" They don't, but a lot of people who voted for Obama didn't bother to show up to vote for Deeds. Look at the 5th district, for example. Virgil Goode owned it. Safe seat. But in 2008 the frenzied support for Obama among blacks and students (C'ville) brought so many idiots out from under the rocks that Goode actually lost. Only by a couple of hundred votes, but he still lost. In 2010, absent the idiot Obamabot horde, the seat reverted to the GOP. WHO will vote the most? Those that hate Obama or those that love him? Turnout is what matters.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 26, 2012 08:29 AM (C8mVl)

86 In a letter obtained by The Daily Caller, House oversight committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa pressed President Barack Obama directly on his assertion of executive privilege over documents related to Operation Fast and Furious. “[Y]our privilege assertion means one of two things,” Issa wrote to the president in a letter dated June 25. “Either you or your most senior advisors were involved in managing Operation Fast & Furious and the fallout from it, including the false February 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee, or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation.” Issa said Obama’s assertion of executive privilege “raised the question” about the veracity of how the “White House has steadfastly maintained that it has not had any role in advising the department with respect to the congressional investigation.”

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 08:30 AM (Xb3hu)

87 "They opened up my bag, and I told them, 'Please, be careful. These are my grandpa's ashes,'" Gross told RTV6's Norman Cox. "She picked up the jar. She opened it up.

"I was told later on that she had no right to even open it, that they could have used other devices, like an X-ray machine. So she opened it up. She used her finger and was sifting through it. And then she accidentally spilled it."

Gross says about a quarter to a third of the contents spilled on the floor, leaving him frantically trying to gather up as much as he could while anxious passengers waited behind him."

She didn't apologize. She started laughing. I was on my hands and knees picking up bone fragments. I couldn't pick up all, everything that was lost. I mean, there was a long line behind me.

"TSA rules say a crematory container in carry-on baggage must pass through the X-ray machine at the security checkpoint.

Posted by: Evelyn Waugh at June 26, 2012 08:30 AM (e8kgV)

88 WAA predicted 54% for
Walker, with the final count being 53.1%.

Reach in my pocket and grab your prize.

Posted by: Zombie Bob Barker at June 26, 2012 12:09 PM (18EBe)

Hey I'm not dead yet...

Posted by: Non-Zombie Bob Barker 1923-? at June 26, 2012 08:30 AM (sbV1u)

89 The leaker is Tom Donilon (almost certainly at the behest of Obama.

http://is.gd/jTXBbw

Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 08:31 AM (YdQQY)

90 I know who else blew Wisconsin, Brett Favre. But that was  right  after the entire state told him to "blow me".

Posted by: Roy at June 26, 2012 08:33 AM (VndSC)

91 Read this--I had to after all of Allah Eeeyore's commiserations. This is where Justice Roberts goes on for the longest during oral argument. ********** CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Well, now why is that? Congress could — once you — once you establish that you have a market for health care, I would suppose Congress's power under the Commerce Clause meant they had a broad scope in terms of how they regulate that market. And it would be — it would be going back to Lochner if we were put in the position of saying no, you can use your commerce power to regulate insurance, but you can't use your commerce power to regulate this market in other ways. I think that would be a very significant intrusion by the Court into Congress's power. So I don't see how we can accept your -­it's good for you in this case to say oh, it's just insurance. But once we say that there is a market and Congress can require people to participate in it, as some would say — or as you would say, that people are already participating in it — it seems to me that we can't say there are limitations on what Congress can do under its commerce power, just like in any other area, all — given significant deference that we accord to Congress in this area, all bets are off, and you could regulate that market in any rational way. GENERAL VERRILLI: But this is insurance as a method of payment for health care services - CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Exactly. GENERAL VERRILLI: And that — and that is - CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: And you're worried — that's the area that Congress has chosen to regulate. There's this health care market. Everybody's in it. So we can regulate it, and we're going to look at a particular serious problem, which is how people pay for it. But next year, they can decide everybody's in this market, we're going to look at a different problem now, and this is how we're going to regulate it. And we can compel people to do things — purchase insurance, in this case. Something else in the next case, because you've — we've accepted the argument that this is a market in which everybody participates. GENERAL VERRILLI: Mr. Chief Justice, let me answer that, and then if I may, I'd like to move to the tax power argument. JUSTICE SCALIA: Can — can I tell you what the something else is so — while you're answering it? The something else is everybody has to exercise, because there's no doubt that lack of exercise cause — causes illness, and that causes health care costs to go up. So the Federal government says everybody has to — to join a — an exercise club. That's — that's the something else. GENERAL VERRILLI: No. The — the position we're taking here would not justify that rule, Justice Scalia, because health club membership is not a means of payment for — for consumption of anything in — in a market. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Right. Right. That's — that's exactly right, but it doesn't seem responsive to my concern that there's no reason — once we say this is within Congress's commerce power, there's no reason other than our own arbitrary judgment to say all they can regulate is the method of payment. They can regulate other things that affect this now-conceded interstate market in health care in which everybody participates. GENERAL VERRILLI: But I think it's common ground between us and the Respondents that this is an interstate market in which everybody participates. And they agree that — that Congress could impose the insurance requirement at the point of sale. And this is just a question of timing, and whether Congress's -­whether the necessary and proper authority gives Congress, because of the particular features of this market, the ability to impose the — the insurance, the need for insurance, the maintenance of insurance before you show up to get health care rather than at the moment you get up to show - CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Right. No, I think - GENERAL VERRILLI: — show up to get health care. And that - CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: — unless I'm missing something, I think you're just repeating the idea that this is the regulation of the method of payment. And I understand that argument. And it may be — it may be a good one. But what I'm concerned about is, once we accept the principle that everybody is in this market, I don't see why Congress's power is limited to regulating the method of payment and doesn't include as it does in any other area. What other area have we said Congress can regulate this market but only with respect to prices, but only with respect to means of travel? No. Once you're — once you're in the interstate commerce and can regulate it, pretty much all bets are off.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:33 AM (r2PLg)

92 90 The leaker is Tom Donilon (almost certainly at the behest of Obama. http://is.gd/jTXBbw Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 12:31 PM (YdQQY) Once again, If OSP was in charge, gallows would creak from the weight of these treasonous bastards.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 08:33 AM (9TTOe)

93
There are millions of voters out there who do not think like you. They don't hate all Democrats. They don't vote party lines. What's more, most of you here find it unfathomable that anybody doesn't hate Obama.

Mitt Romney isn't running for president of the Ace of Spades comment section. He's running as a national candidate which means walking a fine line between conservative and moderate, and sometimes very moderate.



Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 08:35 AM (ydmgq)

94 The leaker is undoubtedly the tea party. There, I said it.

Posted by: John McCain at June 26, 2012 08:35 AM (4cRnj)

95 the "Street Fighting Men" of the Left want violence? 


==Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country==


( high school typing class basic exercise, circa 1966 )

Posted by: Pottsie in Pittsburg at June 26, 2012 08:36 AM (Dll6b)

96 Mitt Romney isn't running for president of the Ace of Spades comment section. He's running as a national candidate which means walking a fine line between conservative and moderate, and sometimes very moderate. Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 12:35 PM (ydmgq) OK, I understand that. But if he gets the job and governs like a moderate, this nation is fucked.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 08:36 AM (9TTOe)

97 How Obama lost Canada

What’s more, by engaging in protectionism, Washington has violated the substance and spirit of the North American Free Trade Agreement, the trade bloc formed in 1994 among Canada, the United States, and Mexico. As a result, NAFTA, which was initially intended as a template for broader trade expansion by all three partners, has languished while each country has negotiated a spaghetti bowl of bilateral trade agreements with other countries. Trilateral economic summits among the NAFTA partners have become little more than photo-ops accompanied by bland communiqués. Bilateral meetings between U.S. and Canadian leaders, which were a regular feature of the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush eras, have also mostly fallen by the wayside. Meanwhile, the United States demanded upfront concessions from Canada as the price of entry to negotiations over the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a regional free-trade group, while preserving massive agriculture subsidies of its own. The protracted wrangling over a seat at the table does not augur well for meaningful progress.

Posted by: Austan Goolsbee at June 26, 2012 08:36 AM (e8kgV)

98 This. McDonnell won over 58% in 2009. In 2010, we picked up more Republican seats in the General Assembly. McDonnell's approval rate is currently 53%+. How does this translate into a state that "leans Obama"? Romney and Allen will both win handily. Posted by: thevirginian at June 26, 2012 12:28 PM (SVDjH) ************ ...because the African American vote does not turn up for off year elections, and turns up by greater percentages for the first AA President. So it's based on turn out models. Virginia has 19.4% black population. US-is 12.8%

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:37 AM (r2PLg)

99 95 The leaker is undoubtedly the tea party. There, I said it. Posted by: John McCain at June 26, 2012 12:35 PM (4cRnj) nasty hobbitsesssss....

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 08:37 AM (UZQM8)

100
This is the hand we've been dealt.

God grant us peace and help us to accept the things of which we have no control.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 08:38 AM (ydmgq)

101 >>( high school typing class basic exercise, circa 1966 )

Nymphs blitz quick vex dwarf jog.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 08:39 AM (/kI1Q)

102 93 The real leaker is Obama himself,because he ordered the leaks.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 08:39 AM (Xb3hu)

103 Obama needs Depends to help control the leaks?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2012 08:40 AM (jiPkH)

104 In 2010, we picked up more Republican seats in the General Assembly. ********** Also you have to consider population concentration. Cities are densely populated but they only get so many seats. Doesn't matter how big the vote is. In a statewide election the city turnout can win a statewide election by higher turn out.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:40 AM (r2PLg)

105
btw, am I supposed to know or give a shit about who Pappy O'Daniel is?

the sidebar has turned into a friggin comic strip

Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 08:41 AM (ydmgq)

106 104 That too.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 08:41 AM (Xb3hu)

107 He's running as a national candidate which means walking a fine line between conservative and moderate, and sometimes very moderate.

posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 12:35 PM (ydmgq)



If that meme was true WI would still be run by union stooges and Walker would no longer be governor.

Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 08:41 AM (YdQQY)

108 btw, am I supposed to know or give a shit about who Pappy O'Daniel is?

the sidebar has turned into a friggin comic strip

 

Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 12:41 PM (ydmgq)

 

Oh, Brother ...

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 26, 2012 08:43 AM (BAS5M)

109 Nymphs blitz quick vex dwarf jog.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 12:39 PM (/kI1Q)


tell me about your childhood


Posted by: Siggy Freud, M.D. at June 26, 2012 08:43 AM (Dll6b)

110 Where art thou????????

Posted by: Siggy Freud, M.D. at June 26, 2012 08:44 AM (Dll6b)

111 Anybody know when Holder's contempt vote will be?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 26, 2012 08:46 AM (2TeO+)

112
1. Walker was not a national candidate.

2. Despite what the Left said, Gov Walker never really took a hardline on anything. His budget cuts and modifications were small and reasonable, which is why he's still governor.

If any of us were governor of WI, we'd slash and burn the unions and run them out of town. And, today, we'd be home watching Gov Barrett revers everything we did.


Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 08:46 AM (ydmgq)

113 Out, Liar!

Posted by: What Lady Macbeth says to WAA Polls at June 26, 2012 08:46 AM (zuDcH)

114 >>tell me about your childhood

Falsches Üben von Xylophonmusik quält jeden größeren Zwerg.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 08:46 AM (/kI1Q)

115 112 Anybody know when Holder's contempt vote will be? Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 26, 2012 12:46 PM (2TeO+) ******* Thursday--IIRC

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:47 AM (r2PLg)

116 We're mass communicatin'!

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 26, 2012 08:47 AM (KF/Jh)

117 Falsches Üben von Xylophonmusik quält jeden größeren Zwerg.

X is for Xylophone.  X is always for Xylophone.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 08:48 AM (8y9MW)

118

So it's based on turn out models.

Virginia has 19.4% black population.

US-is 12.8%

 

Alabama leans Obama (26% black).

 

See how that works?  That's the same way the lefties are deluding themsevles on Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin--and I think even Colorado.  2008 does NOT apply given the results of 2010.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 26, 2012 08:49 AM (B+qrE)

119 Falsches Üben von Xylophonmusik quält jeden größeren Zwerg.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 12:46 PM (/kI1Q)



Alles klar an die Andrea Doria!!!!  -------stimmt doch!

Posted by: Siggy Freud, M.D. at June 26, 2012 08:49 AM (Dll6b)

120 98

How incompetent do you have to be to lose fucking Canada?

Geez...

Posted by: mpfs at June 26, 2012 08:49 AM (iYbLN)

121

Are you saying BOOOO!, or BOOO-URNS?

-Montgomery Obama

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ jay-carney-they-were-saying-yook-not-boo-for-gods-sake./ article/2500638

Carney IS Waylon Smithers.

Posted by: imp at June 26, 2012 08:49 AM (UaxA0)

122 Here's one data point on which I have maintained absolute consistency:
zzz

Posted by: Gerry at June 26, 2012 08:50 AM (8SMmO)

123 Great segment was on just now on Fox with Ollie North talking about Syria and how Obama inaction has made things worse.

Posted by: SamIam at June 26, 2012 08:50 AM (VDpzM)

124 X is for Xylophone. X is always for Xylophone.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 12:48 PM (8y9MW)


Nein.  Hier bleiben wir ein Fall Gelb.  "Fall Gelb 2012"

Posted by: Siggy Freud, M.D. at June 26, 2012 08:51 AM (Dll6b)

125 Daily Kooks folks say PPP got Wisconsin right.  Was that just the final one?


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 26, 2012 08:51 AM (f9c2L)

126
Jan Brewer looks and sounds like she aged ten years in the past year. Is she ill?

Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 08:53 AM (ydmgq)

127 Circa I think you are missing my point. You cannot do a direct correlation for the Presidential election to the election for the VA general assembly. The turn out modeling is completely different.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:53 AM (r2PLg)

128 >>>Daily Kooks folks say PPP got Wisconsin right. Was that just the final one?

PPP Did the classic. Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Accurate POLL Republican might win oh noes

That all the leftist polls do to keep the dem energy and moral up. KOS would say they "Got it right" because they did what dems think pollsters should do. Lie until the end if dems are behind.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 08:54 AM (0q2P7)

129

Radio check.

Posted by: Scandia at June 26, 2012 08:55 AM (QWOh7)

130

I was saying boo-urns...

Posted by: Warren "Moleman" Buffett at June 26, 2012 08:55 AM (b8Ql8)

131 can someone light the Ewok Signal?

Posted by: garrett at June 26, 2012 08:55 AM (XKZuF)

132 >>>who Pappy O'Daniel is

O' Brother Where Art Thou. It is pop culture reference.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 08:56 AM (0q2P7)

133 PPP Did the classic. Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Dem gonna win..Accurate POLL Republican might win oh noes ****** LOL! That about sums it up.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:56 AM (r2PLg)

134 Oh.  I just finally got an email back from the TWC regarding my Q about striking workers applying for UE benefits.

I'm betting it's a form letter.  Any takers?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 08:57 AM (8y9MW)

135

No. PPP did not get it right.

Their final poll was WALKER +3

He won by 7.

Marquette got it on the nose, followed by Angus-Reid, Rasmussen, WPA/NPR, DailyKos' paid PPP poll, then the PPP stand alone, then right behind that WAA.

 

To their credit... at least nobody did as bad as Lake Research, which was a fail and a half and the lefties clung to it out of desperate, delusional hope.

Posted by: Warren at June 26, 2012 08:57 AM (b8Ql8)

136 133 can someone light the Ewok Signal? Posted by: garrett at June 26, 2012 12:55 PM (XKZuF) ******** They should light up something that smells. Burn the bacon....

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 08:57 AM (r2PLg)

137 Burn the bacon....

Don't you dare desecrate Bacon in such a manner.

Besides, burnt bacon smells almost as bad as burnt popcorn.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 08:58 AM (8y9MW)

138

Pappy O'Daniel came from County Cork in the Southern part of Ireland and used to fly into Shannon airport on Air Lingus and was educated in Northern Wales and completed a dissertation on Faust and the interrelatedness of irony in poems dealing with the Moors and baroque music.

Or I may be thinkig of Dabby O'Daniel.

Either way, just go with it.

Posted by: Scandia at June 26, 2012 08:58 AM (QWOh7)

139 fucking sock...

Posted by: CAC at June 26, 2012 08:58 AM (b8Ql8)

140
I don't watch George Clooney movies.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 08:59 AM (ydmgq)

141 Building one bridge does notmake a bridge builder, suck one cock though...you're a cock sucker.Posted by: B. Frank

Cock-suckah!

Posted by: Mr. Wu [/i] [/b] at June 26, 2012 08:59 AM (famk3)

142 mmmmmm.. bacon..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 26, 2012 08:59 AM (f9c2L)

143

; margin: 0in 0in 12pt; line-height: normal;" class="MsoNormal">126Daily Kooks folks say PPP got Wisconsin right. Was that just the final one?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 26, 2012 12:51 PM (f9c2L)

 

I believe PPP had the race at 50 – 47 for Walker in their final poll.  The end result was 53.1 – 46.3, so I guess if you want a pollster who nails the loserÂ’s share, PPP is the go-to shop.

Posted by: jwest at June 26, 2012 09:00 AM (ZDsRL)

144 So is this one of those "blackout" days I keep hearing about?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 09:00 AM (0q2P7)

145 Don't you dare desecrate Bacon in such a manner. Besides, burnt bacon smells almost as bad as burnt popcorn. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 12:58 PM (8y9MW) ******* Well trying to think of what an ewok would respond to... I do like my bacon extra-crispy.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:00 AM (r2PLg)

146 Black unemployment in va is hovering around 20%. BarryO isnt getting that massive turnout.

Posted by: Jean at June 26, 2012 09:01 AM (+oKKW)

147 Wow.  Y'all should have taken me up on my offer.  I got actual information back!  I'm impressed.

Also, union members should be p!ssed at their Union for directing them to the TWC- it's not illegal to file UE (according to Texas code, apparently, even someone still currently employed could apply- they'd just get rejected), but there is a specific exclusion for striking members.  From the email I got back:

"The benefit disqualification for a strike continues until the worker no longer has any part in the dispute."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:02 AM (8y9MW)

148 BENNETT: How do you make the feds cooperate [with state immigration efforts]? KYL: Well, thatÂ’s the executiveÂ’s job and there are only a couple of ways to do itÂ… If the president insists on continuing to ignore parts of the law that he doesnÂ’t like, and simply not enforce that law, the primary remedy for that is political. And you have it two ways: one is oversight through the Congress to demonstrate what theyÂ’re doing wrong and there are some potential criminal charges there for dereliction of duty. Although, I havenÂ’t looked that up yet. And the other part of it is people need to react through the ballot box to turn out of office those people who are not doing their duty. Now if itÂ’s bad enough and if shenanigans involved in it, then of course impeachment is always a possibility. But I donÂ’t think at this point anybody is talking about that.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 09:03 AM (Xb3hu)

149 "The benefit disqualification for a strike continues until the worker no longer has any part in the dispute." ****** Don't Mess with Texas.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:04 AM (r2PLg)

150 Joe writes: By what logic does someone vote for Gov. McDonnell but then vote for Obama? By what logic does someone vote for Gov. Romney but then vote for Obama? Yet they do, in massive numbers.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 26, 2012 09:06 AM (0VqvZ)

151 "Nymphs blitz quick vex dwarf jog." I paint this!

Posted by: Zombie Dali at June 26, 2012 09:06 AM (C8mVl)

152

; margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;" class="MsoNormal">Marquette got it on the nose,

Posted by: Warren at June 26, 2012 12:57 PM (b8Ql

 

Well, if you are talking about the spread, Marquette did fine.  However, they had Walker at 52% while WAA was at 53.1%.  Since Walker took 54%, I would still argue WAA had the election nailed.

Posted by: jwest at June 26, 2012 09:06 AM (ZDsRL)

153 All the libs/dems I know who are associated with the campaign have started posting comments about student loans and the republicans on their fb pages.  This can't be coincidental, it has to be generated from the campaign.  They are asking for them to call congess and demand that the interest rates not rise.

I'm trying to find out where the message came from.

Posted by: NY slimes at June 26, 2012 09:07 AM (oZfic)

154 WAA blew ONE Wisconsin poll, they also got some dead on.

I also believe there can be some manipulation of polls such as WAA which are done online (I think).  For example, if your internal polls are telling you that you are going to lose, might it be a good strategy to then attempt to pump the polling so far into the opponents direction that you have a chance of getting the opposition to just stay home in many cases because they think it's "in the bag"?

So lets say I am going to lose by 5 points and it looks pretty solid that's the case. So I basically tell folks who participate in that polling to say they are voting for Walker even if they aren't.  This accomplishes two things:

1. Makes the election look like such a shoo-in that Republicans don't vote.  If my side is more motivated than their side, such a game means more of their side stays home than my side. 

2. Reduces confidence in the polling agency.  (apparently effective looking at the article on HA).


Posted by: crosspatch at June 26, 2012 09:08 AM (ZbLJZ)

Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 09:08 AM (oZfic)

156 Any chance we can get someone on the inside to switch Obama's campaign music bumper with "Der Kommisar"?

Because that would be fucking hilarious.

Posted by: grognard, team dagny at June 26, 2012 09:08 AM (NS2Mo)

157 At this point, go with locall polling data.

Posted by: Jean at June 26, 2012 09:08 AM (+oKKW)

158 I blame sugary drinks.

Posted by: Mikhail Bloomberg at June 26, 2012 09:10 AM (/Mla1)

159

Pappy O'Daniel may and I say may have played bass with Seals & Crofts.  We are still researching this.

Posted by: Scandia at June 26, 2012 09:10 AM (QWOh7)

160
Something About Amelia Ace

Ace has been behaving a little peculiar, lately. I'm a bit worried. Maybe Ted Danson touched Ace's peepee?


Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 09:10 AM (ydmgq)

161 It should be said, CAC has really become a good predictor. He's at the point where he's integrating enough information that the underlying dynamics mean something, as opposed to just reading some top-line number as they do everywhere -- but I'm mostly referring to HotAir for now.

Never a big visitor of their [HotAir] site, but the few times I've checked it out it seems like that AllahPundit fellow is going to significantly shorten his lifespan from over-reaction to stressors. He acts like a mouse on amphetamine reacting to any new stimulus.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at June 26, 2012 09:10 AM (JdSQO)

162
War on Students?

yeah, that seems to be the next distraction

Posted by: soothsayer at June 26, 2012 09:11 AM (ydmgq)

163 Am I the only one that gets a headache when I go to HA and read Allah's rantings and crap his pants over the polls?  Dude gives Eeyore a bad name...

CAC tells it like it is... minus the "trauma drama" that Allah's brings.

BTW - has anyone gone over to the cesspool that is Kos to see if he is tipping his had on his picks for November.... since he's suck a terrific prognosticator on elections...

/sarc

Posted by: Mjölnir the banhammer at June 26, 2012 09:12 AM (Jls4P)

164 Don't Mess with Texas.

To be clear, they also explain what it means when they say "until the worker no longer has any part in the dispute."

Basically, if the strike ends (duh), or if the Employer makes an "unconditional offer" to return to work but then does not actually put the employee back to work (assuming they accept the offer).

So they're fairly common sense- if the union returns to work, or the employee tries to cross the picket line but is refused, then they're just regularly "unemployed" and can receive benefits.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:13 AM (8y9MW)

165 Rush talking about AZ getting the shaft on illegal apprehension made me think of this, which I got in an email. Any Dallas morons know if this is true? If so, it's ingenious.

Here in MN, they went the opposite direction.

You still have to provide proof of insurance if you're pulled over, but it's just a ticket if you don't.

It used to be the case that you also had to show proof of insurance when renewing your license tabs.  They since did away with that requirement.

Why?  The reason they gave for the change was because the proof of insurance requirement was discriminatory against illegals.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 26, 2012 09:14 AM (SY2Kh)

166

CAC is right and is one of the best. HotAir is getting a little jiggly with their pontifications.  For example, Ed's piece yesterday advising the faithful that Justice Scalia went off reservation in his dissenting AZ opinion AND that this could be grounds for a future recusal was a stretch.

This is the problem with new media. We find that we need to constantly perform variations on a theme.  

Posted by: Scandia at June 26, 2012 09:16 AM (QWOh7)

167 The City of Dallas, Texas, passed an ordinance stating that if a driver is pulled over by law enforcement and is not able to provide proof of insurance, the car is towed.

Yep.  I think other cities in the Metroplex are looking at following suit.  Basically, Dallas had a huge problem with uninsured motorists (mostly illegal aliens) causing accidents over and over.

Now, when they get stopped, the car gets impounded.

A lot of people were upset about it ("What if I just forgot my insurance card?") but the consensus was "Well, State Law already says you're supposed to be carrying proof of ability to pay, if you're not carrying it, you're already in violation of the law."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:17 AM (8y9MW)

168
I think Ace is seeing another blog.

/sniffs, cries

Posted by: AoSHQ at June 26, 2012 09:17 AM (ydmgq)

169 Yep. He lurks somewhere else...

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:19 AM (r2PLg)

170 I think y'all should teach him a lesson about sleeping late, and head over to my place.

'Cause that'll show him (or something...)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:20 AM (8y9MW)

171

; margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;" class="MsoNormal">I think Ace is seeing another blog.
/sniffs, criesPosted by: AoSHQ at June 26, 2012 01:17 PM (ydmgq)

 

It doesnÂ’t matter how long he hangs around C4P, sheÂ’s still pissed at all the mean things he said.

Posted by: jwest at June 26, 2012 09:22 AM (ZDsRL)

172 Any chance we can get someone on the inside to switch Obama's campaign music bumper with "Der Kommisar"?

"It's Raining Men" #ObamaCampaignSongs

Posted by: Ian S. at June 26, 2012 09:23 AM (tqwMN)

173 Ya know...VA went 54-41 GOP in the congressional races in 2010.  Just sayin'.

Posted by: Free2Smooze at June 26, 2012 09:23 AM (PyziM)

174 Here you have to write down the name of your insurance carrier when you renew your registration.  If you get pulled for a traffic violation they always ask for three things, license, registration, and insurance card.


If you don't have them you are subject to a fine. Yet, they still have a lot of people who drive with no insurance. One of those hit my daughter and totaled her car.  He had no insurance and was not prosecuted.


The last time I was called for jury duty in the county court the only case that had not been settled was one in which State Farm was suing a guy who had wrecked one of their insured drivers and he had no insurance.

Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 09:23 AM (YdQQY)

175 The electorate is a Levitated Mass above this administration.

The buttresses are rusty and weakened.

Posted by: Time Travelling Flaneur at June 26, 2012 09:25 AM (ay6+/)

176 Ace is an insomniac.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 09:25 AM (Xb3hu)

177 Yet, they still have a lot of people who drive with no insurance. One of those hit my daughter and totaled her car. He had no insurance and was not prosecuted.

Exactly the problem Texas was attempting to solve.

Unfortunately, causing a wreck is only a ticket-able offense in Texas (unless it was on purpose, or someone dies), so "prosecution" was almost never on the table.  So, instead, take their cars.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:25 AM (8y9MW)

178 Ace is an insomniac.

We know.  But he'd be depressed and feel abandoned if we didn't make fun of him.  Its how he knows we care.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:26 AM (8y9MW)

179

In which the idiocracy  juggernaut (juggs!) continues unabated, to wit:

 

Received payment coupons for COBRA health  insurance after  the  renewal period.    Two  coupons  per printed 8-1/2 x 11 page.  Printed  double sided.

 

 

 

 

So if i cut and mail  the July payment coupon, I'll also be mailing in the September coupon, on the back.  Nice going ADP.  Fuckwits!

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 26, 2012 09:30 AM (BAS5M)

180 Obviously y'all are telling me to go get lunch.
I get the message.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:31 AM (8y9MW)

181 * HONK - HONK *

Posted by: Romney Bus [/i] [/b] at June 26, 2012 09:32 AM (famk3)

182 182 Ace is an insomniac. If I were Ace I would probably be an alcoholic insomniac with a warm bong.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 09:33 AM (9TTOe)

183 183 Oh Lord,the stupidity,it burns.

Posted by: steevy at June 26, 2012 09:34 AM (Xb3hu)

184 Calm down, lots of time to the election.

If Obama just keeps doin' what he's doin', he'll sink his own ass.

Posted by: 2013 can't come soon enough at June 26, 2012 09:34 AM (+XVQe)

185 >>Here you have to write down the name of your insurance carrier when you renew your registration.

Indiana wants proof when you go to plate your car.

Solution #1: Keep your TX/AZ/CA plate the whole time you're illegally resident in Indiana.  Yeah, it's technically illegal, but they won't stop you for having an out of state plate.

Solution #2: Register car in Illinois.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 09:36 AM (/kI1Q)

186 Thread's gettin' mighty ripe...

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 09:36 AM (RD7QR)

187 I didn't read the article or look at the poll, but I would like to say something.
And so I did.

Posted by: Elvis's skeleton at June 26, 2012 09:37 AM (t+qr8)

188 If Obama just keeps doin' what he's doin', he'll sink his own ass.

Posted by: 2013 can't come soon enough at June 26, 2012 01:34 PM (+XVQe)

----------------------------------------------------------------

So if that happened would it make Obama racist?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2012 09:37 AM (5bbv1)

189 "Pursuant to section 204(b) of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), 50 U.S.C. 1703(b), I hereby report that I have exercised my authority to declare a national emergency to deal with the threat posed to the United States by the risk of nuclear proliferation created by the accumulation in the Russian Federation of a large volume of weapons-usable fissile material."
http://tinyurl.com/6m45kne


Does anyone here speak government?  Can you translate this for me?

Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 09:39 AM (oZfic)

190 but gas is getting cheaper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MFM at June 26, 2012 09:39 AM (Dll6b)

191 THAR' SHE BLOWS!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 26, 2012 09:40 AM (famk3)

192 >>but gas is getting cheaper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

January 2009:  $1.85.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 09:40 AM (/kI1Q)

193 "It's Raining Men" #ObamaCampaignSongs

Posted by: Ian S. at June 26, 2012 01:23 PM (tqwMN)


Totally stealing that hash.

Posted by: grognard, team dagny at June 26, 2012 09:43 AM (NS2Mo)

194 Chuck Lane has this very insightful piece in todayÂ’s Washington Post responding to Akhil AmarÂ’s cri de coeur that his academic life would be a fraud if the Court invalidates the individual mandate. Randy Barnett new post -Volokh.com

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:44 AM (r2PLg)

195 When the cat's away the CAC will play.

Posted by: eleven at June 26, 2012 09:45 AM (KXm42)

196 Something tells me Akhil Amar's academic life will still be a fraud--no matter what the Supreme Court decides. Just a hunch.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:46 AM (r2PLg)

197 I do not find this surprising at all.  There is a time lag in these results  VA and NC are really NOT in play for Barry.

PLEASE  DON'T TELL THEM!

Let them continue to piss money away while we take back PA MI and WI.

It is a chess game.

OBAMA is fucked. Checkmate is close, I'd say right around the October surprise.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 26, 2012 09:47 AM (KZI7g)

198

In: Landscaping Materials as Art

Out: Content

 

Posted by: garrett at June 26, 2012 09:48 AM (XKZuF)

199 So the Holder contempt vote and Obamacare SC decision is the same day?  Anyone else see a war starting somewhere tomorrow?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 26, 2012 09:48 AM (2TeO+)

200 Anyone else see a war starting somewhere tomorrow?

There's a convenient one between Syria and Turkey brewing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:49 AM (8y9MW)

201 Anyone else see a war starting somewhere tomorrow?Posted by: Brian in New Orleans

that's a clown question, bro.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 26, 2012 09:49 AM (famk3)

202 We can't even get a feel good "The dems are downgrading their convention" post?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 09:49 AM (0q2P7)

203 There's a lot of new stuff on the white house website, a ton.

Why look, the president's created a "honey do" list for congress:  http://tinyurl.com/cax8fy8

Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 09:50 AM (oZfic)

204 OBAMA is fucked. Checkmate is close, I'd say right around the October surprise. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 26, 2012 01:47 PM (KZI7g) Do you think Romney has an October surprise. I mean WTF. Obama has done everything he could do in the past three weeks to piss off even the most moderate of Americans.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 09:50 AM (9TTOe)

205 We can't even get a feel good "The dems are downgrading their convention" post?

I guess not.

I suspect either a magnum opus on Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, or a piece on Aaron Worthing's SWATing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:50 AM (8y9MW)

206 204 Anyone else see a war starting somewhere tomorrow?

There's a convenient one between Syria and Turkey brewing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 01:49 PM (8y9MW)


Yeah, what's up with that? Have the Turks sent up the NATO flare or however it is that you convene the North Atlantic Council?

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 09:51 AM (RD7QR)

207 204 Anyone else see a war starting somewhere tomorrow? There's a convenient one between Syria and Turkey brewing. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 01:49 PM (8y9MW) We need to sit that out, but who knows what ding dong is gonna do.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 09:51 AM (9TTOe)

208 Have the Turks sent up the NATO flare or however it is that you convene the North Atlantic Council?

I don't know if they have officially, or not, but sources were reporting (yesterday) that they were planning to.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:51 AM (8y9MW)

209 203 So the Holder contempt vote and Obamacare SC decision is the same day? Anyone else see a war starting somewhere tomorrow?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 26, 2012 01:48 PM (2TeO+)

Naw, he needs something to mobilize his base. War only mobilizes the GOP for the incumbent.

Now, something like coming out for gay marriage or unrestricted immigration....wait, what?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 09:51 AM (+XVQe)

210 Turkey and Syria have had water disputes for eons. Syria should have been dealt with--before Carter-they've been asshats for decades.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:52 AM (r2PLg)

211 Checkmate is close, I'd say right around the October surprise.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 26, 2012 01:47 PM (KZI7g)


You mean the NYT's (that is, Obama's) October Surprise for Romney?

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 09:52 AM (RD7QR)

212

Out : Assad the 'Reformer'

In : Islamic Extremists posing as Democratic Reformers

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 26, 2012 09:52 AM (XKZuF)

213
Hmmm... I'd love to know how they determined "likely voter".



Did they ask you where your polling place is?

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 11:52 AM (r2PLg)


It is public records.  You are classified as an A, B, C voter in most states

My son spent a summer doing this research in NC for the GOP.

It is not rocket science.

I had the highest voting record he found.




Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 26, 2012 09:52 AM (KZI7g)

214 Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 26, 2012 01:51 PM (+XVQe)
or forgive all student loans....by executive order?

Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 09:52 AM (oZfic)

215 We need to sit that out, but who knows what ding dong is gonna do.

If they call in NATO, we're more or less obligated to join in.  Yes, we could (and, arguably, should) sit out, but do we really want to antagonize our allies any more than we already have?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:52 AM (8y9MW)

216 Out:October Surprise In:November Surprise

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:53 AM (r2PLg)

217 Turkey and Syria is somewhat evenly matched. At the risk of sounding like a heartless eurocentric, I hope they blast the holy shit out of each other.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 09:53 AM (9TTOe)

218 How about a Stockton CA about to be the biggest city to ever file for bankruptcy?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 09:54 AM (0q2P7)

219


Pappy O'Daniel is Charles Durning, the poor man's Brian Dennehy.


Posted by: imp at June 26, 2012 09:54 AM (UaxA0)

220 What is it with chicks and vampires?

Posted by: eleven at June 26, 2012 09:54 AM (KXm42)

221 In:November Surprise

At this rate, the November Surprise will be even having the election.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:54 AM (8y9MW)

222 Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 01:50 PM (oZfic) This is why I hate legislatures as President... always think they can bark orders to Congress.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 09:54 AM (UZQM8)

223 Legislators... sorry.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 09:55 AM (UZQM8)

224 Or a 1,500 word review  of Brave.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 26, 2012 09:55 AM (BAS5M)

225 No--you ask the respondent if they know where their voting place is--that's how you weed out the bullshitters.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:55 AM (r2PLg)

226 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 01:53 PM (9TTOe) What do you make of the Syrians that defected?

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 09:55 AM (UZQM8)

227 What is it with chicks and vampires?

They really dig hickeys?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:55 AM (8y9MW)

228
You mean the NYT's (that is, Obama's) October Surprise for Romney?

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 01:52 PM (RD7QR)


FLASH!  Ann Romney has sexual thoughts while riding horses. 


Black horses too! 

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 26, 2012 09:55 AM (KZI7g)

229 If they call in NATO, we're more or less obligated to join in. Yes, we could (and, arguably, should) sit out, but do we really want to antagonize our allies any more than we already have?Posted by: AllenG

Did we help the Brits with the Falklands?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 26, 2012 09:55 AM (famk3)

230 Or a 1,500 15,000 word review of Brave.

Sorry, you missed a zero.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:56 AM (8y9MW)

231 Posted by: Count de Monet at June 26, 2012 01:55 PM (BAS5M) Went watch it Friday, big fat meh... good DVD to have for the kids. As far as blowing 40-50 at a theater, no.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 09:56 AM (UZQM8)

232 We could talk about how Obama is prepping 1000's of lawyers for the post election disputes. Would that be important?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 09:56 AM (0q2P7)

233 Respondent: Oh ya..I vote! Questioner: Oh really...where is your polling place?

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:56 AM (r2PLg)

234 219 We need to sit that out, but who knows what ding dong is gonna do. If they call in NATO, we're more or less obligated to join in. Yes, we could (and, arguably, should) sit out, but do we really want to antagonize our allies any more than we already have? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 01:52 PM (8y9MW) You mean the same rat fucking bastards that wouldn't help us out in the Iraq campaign? I thing they pretty much cashed out their buddy chips, fuck Turkey.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 09:56 AM (9TTOe)

235 Did we help the Brits with the Falklands?

Did the Brits mobilize NATO?  I don't remember, but I don't think they did.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:56 AM (8y9MW)

236

In : Allah P.

Out : 'No, thanks.'

Posted by: Ed Morrisey at June 26, 2012 09:57 AM (XKZuF)

237 236 We could talk about how Obama is prepping 1000's of lawyers for the post election disputes. Would that be important? Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7) ****** Shit. Seriously?

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 09:57 AM (r2PLg)

238 That hotair site is so appropriately named.

Did Malkin's house survive the fire?  That fire is horrific.

Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 09:57 AM (oZfic)

239 You mean the same rat fucking bastards that wouldn't help us out in the Iraq campaign? I thing they pretty much cashed out their buddy chips, fuck Turkey.

I was thinking more of England and Germany than Turkey.

If Turkey calls in NATO- and the other countries respond with anything other than "You shat in this bed, now lie in it," then we're more-or-less stuck, unless we want to alienate England and Germany yet further.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 09:58 AM (8y9MW)

240 230 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 01:53 PM (9TTOe) What do you make of the Syrians that defected? Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 01:55 PM (UZQM It's equivlent to Obama turning the Miltary loose on us. Our kids would probably say fuck you, I aint killin my momma and turn their guns the other way.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 09:58 AM (9TTOe)

241 >>>Shit. Seriously?


http://apne.ws/LzAm0S

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 09:58 AM (0q2P7)

242 236 We could talk about how Obama is prepping 1000's of lawyers for the post election disputes. Would that be important? Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7) And how we are gonna get fucked w/ the bill?

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 09:58 AM (UZQM8)

243 At times he looks dazed, and flails. To focus his economic message, he gave an unfocused 54-minute speech on the apparent theory that the more sentences in the mix, the greater the odds of a keeper.

Posted by: Kenny The Nail Guy at June 26, 2012 09:59 AM (e8kgV)

244 Did we help the Brits with the Falklands?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 26, 2012 01:55 PM (famk3)


Supplies and intelligence only since it wasn't a NATO obligation.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 10:00 AM (RD7QR)

245

Or a 1,500 15,000 word review of Brave.

Sorry, you missed a zero.

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 01:56 PM (8y9MW)

 

Naturally, I meant a 1,500 word foreward / executive summary before Ace releases the main post.  <grins>

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 26, 2012 10:00 AM (BAS5M)

246 http://apne.ws/LzAm0S Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 26, 2012 01:58 PM (0q2P7) ******** Thanks.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 10:00 AM (r2PLg)

247 248 Did we help the Brits with the Falklands? Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 26, 2012 01:55 PM (famk3) Supplies and intelligence only since it wasn't a NATO obligation. Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 02:00 PM (RD7QR) There was a couple of US subs supplying targeting info.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 10:01 AM (9TTOe)

248 I guess it's a slow news day, although that John Edwards/Rachell Hunter split calls out for mockery.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 26, 2012 10:02 AM (I/Xad)

249 OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) -- President Barack Obama's campaign is recruiting legions of lawyers to handle disputes that may arise from now through Election Day. Thousands of attorneys and support staffers have agreed to aid in the effort, providing legal support that appears to be unrivaled by Republicans or precedent. ****** Just peachy.

Posted by: tasker at June 26, 2012 10:02 AM (r2PLg)

250 Where, O where has my eeee-wok gone/
Where, O where could he be?/
With his 'cloth cut short and his fur cut long/
Where could my ewock be?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 10:02 AM (8y9MW)

251 If Turkey calls in NATO- and the other countries respond with anything other than "You shat in this bed, now lie in it," then we're more-or-less stuck, unless we want to alienate England and Germany yet further. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 01:58 PM (8y9MW) Short of Bombing them, is there any fucking way Obama could alienate them any further? They already think he's a bad joke.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 10:03 AM (9TTOe)

252 Ace's Jazzercise class must have run long this morning.

Posted by: garrett at June 26, 2012 10:03 AM (XKZuF)

253 256 Ace's Jazzercise class must have run long this morning.

Posted by: garrett at June 26, 2012 02:03 PM (XKZuF)


Jazz paws!

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 10:04 AM (RD7QR)

254 Yeah, what's up with that? Have the Turks sent up the NATO flare or however it is that you convene the North Atlantic Council? Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 01:51 PM (RD7QR) It looks like they are going to. It is worth mentioning that at least this would be helping to defend a NATO ally since their plane was shot down. Libya and the Balkans were an affront to NATO because they were aggressive wars that the Europeans dragged us into. Heck, we could open a second front with Syria via Iraq.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 26, 2012 10:05 AM (XvHmy)

255

Jazz paws!

 

Well, he's too short for Step Aerobics.

Posted by: garrett at June 26, 2012 10:06 AM (XKZuF)

256 Ace's Jazzercise class must have run long this morning.

 

Posted by: garrett at June 26, 2012 02:03 PM (XKZuF)

 

A bit.  He also stayed for the water aerobics class.  Substitute instructor didn't know he's banned from the pool due to shedding issues - all that fur clogging up the skimmers.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 26, 2012 10:06 AM (BAS5M)

257 (to Row, Row, Row Your Boat)

Check, check, check the Blog/
F5 for updates/
Load, load, load, load/
Until we see our Ace.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 10:06 AM (8y9MW)

258 McJuan supposedly outing leaker, via drudge, naturally it's "developing."

Either a typo on their part or a bad read on yours (I read it that was also originally).

It now says that McCain and Lieberman are outing the leak source.  The article says that they think it's Thomas Donilon, the national security adviser.

A nice article but this is old news.  There was a sidebar post where Pat Caddell said the same thing in a radio interview.  He later repeated it on Hannity.  Must been a week or two ago.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 26, 2012 10:06 AM (kqqGm)

259 It is worth mentioning that at least this would be helping to defend a NATO ally since their plane was shot down

Their plane was shot down in Syrian air-space.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 10:07 AM (8y9MW)

260

Turn that Sun-Lamp back on...

get that Ewok back in here!

Posted by: Mortimer Duke at June 26, 2012 10:07 AM (XKZuF)

261 THE TEXAS BORDIR GUARDS WERE MURDERED BY CHAINEY OPERATIVES AND A REGISTERED GUN PLACED NEXT TO THEM TO FALSELY TARNISH BARAK'S GREAT ADMINISTRATON!  ANYTHING TO TARNISH THE BROWN MAN YOU NAZIS WILL DO!  
 
  
*SPIT*

Posted by: KayInMaine at June 26, 2012 10:07 AM (/Aauo)

262 Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 26, 2012 02:06 PM (kqqGm) Thanks, vic also caught me up to speed. Some days I'm not able to get my AoSHQDD fix. Also, sadly, it appears we have hit a drought in content.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 10:08 AM (UZQM8)

263 Oh, good.  There wasn't enough guano in this thread.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 26, 2012 10:08 AM (8y9MW)

264 Sigh, guess I'll go try and fuck up our Exchange Server. I'll be back in about 30-40 mins.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 26, 2012 10:09 AM (UZQM8)

265 Obama would help Turkey.  They hate us.

Posted by: eleven at June 26, 2012 10:10 AM (KXm42)

266 Did we help the Brits with the Falklands?>>

Didn't we send Gunny Highway to fix that. Oh wait wrong island.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 26, 2012 10:10 AM (tf9Ne)

267 The latter stages of untreated syphilis are not pretty.

Right, KAY?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 26, 2012 10:10 AM (famk3)

268 The vending machine gave me a Mountain Dew instead of a Coke.  Anyone want to trade?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 10:10 AM (/kI1Q)

269 KayInSane must have run out of things to discuss with the multitude of cat shit piles in her living room.

Posted by: maddogg at June 26, 2012 10:11 AM (OlN4e)

270 Didn't we send Gunny Highway to fix that. Oh wait wrong island. Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 26, 2012 02:10 PM (tf9Ne) America needs more Gunny Highways.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 26, 2012 10:11 AM (9TTOe)

271 You'll miss me when I'm gone!

Posted by: The latter stages of untreated syphilis at June 26, 2012 10:11 AM (KXm42)

272 Nood poat.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 26, 2012 10:11 AM (famk3)

273 272 The vending machine gave me a Mountain Dew instead of a Coke. Anyone want to trade?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 26, 2012 02:10 PM (/kI1Q)


Bleah, no, bad memories of Mountain-Dew-induced tachycardia in college.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 26, 2012 10:12 AM (RD7QR)

274 The vending machine gave me a Mountain Dew instead of a Coke. Anyone want to trade?

Broaden your horizons.

Posted by: eleven at June 26, 2012 10:13 AM (KXm42)

275 New ace post

Posted by: Vic at June 26, 2012 10:16 AM (YdQQY)

276 Posted by: KayInMaine at June 26, 2012 02:07 PM (/Aauo)

I don't know kaye, I've been sent two jon stewart clips about F&F in the last day, I mean when jon stewart turns on you, how do you survive?

Posted by: morning coffee crew at June 26, 2012 10:27 AM (oZfic)

277

Another tip to Ed and Allah:

Grow a pair of balls larger than a Mongolian gerbil's.

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at June 26, 2012 12:02 PM (3GZGr)

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