August 11, 2012

Couple of Good Quotes
— Ace

The political press and President Obama alike claim they want a campaign about big ideas, an adult debate about policy differences. Now theyÂ’ve got it in spite of, not because of, Barack Obama. With Ryan on the ticket, the debate should no longer be about contraception and the deferred cancer-causing capabilities of Bain investments. It will be about the budget and the $16-trillion debt, the unsustainable trajectory of the federal government and the promises itÂ’s already breaking to generations to come. It will be about Simpson-Bowles and a federal government that hasnÂ’t even bothered to pass a budget since before the iPad existed. It will be about how four years of grossly increased spending has stimulated us into the worst recovery in American history, unless you happen to be an Obama donor or crony. It will be about how creating new entitlement programs cannot possibly fix the ones that are already broken. And, it will be about whether we value an ever more dependent society or an ever more successful one.

-- MKH.

And, via Allah, liberal wonk William Saletan is just delighted with the Ryan pick, and not at all in the cynical way you're thinking.

Not high-fiving the pick like the White House is supposedly doing, because it's so easy to demagogue. But because...


Why I Love Paul Ryan


HeÂ’s what a Republican should be: an honest, open-minded, solution-oriented fiscal conservative.

By William Saletan

A wonderful thing has happened for this country. Paul Ryan will be the Republican nominee for vice president.

Ryan is a real fiscal conservative. He isnÂ’t just another Tea-Party ideologue spouting dogma about less government and the magic of free enterprise. He has actually crunched the numbers and laid out long-term budget proposals. My liberal friends point out that RyanÂ’s plan leaves many details unclear. ThatÂ’s true. But show me another Republican who has addressed the nationÂ’s fiscal problems as candidly and precisely as Ryan has. HeÂ’s got the least detailed budget proposal out there, except for all the others.

Ryan refutes the Democratic Party’s bogus arguments. He knows that our domestic spending trajectory is unsustainable and that liberals who fail to get it under control are leading their constituents over a cliff, just like in Europe. Eventually, you can’t borrow enough money to make good on your promises, and everyone’s screwed. Ryan understands that the longer we ignore the debt crisis and postpone serious budget cuts—the liberal equivalent of denying global warming—the more painful the reckoning will be. There’s nothing compassionate about that kind of irresponsibility.


Maybe, like me, you were raised in a liberal household. You donÂ’t agree with conservative ideas on social or foreign policy. But this is why God made Republicans: to force a reality check when Democrats overpromise and overspend.


...

Screw the polls. Republicans will be on the right side of the spending debate. TheyÂ’ll be on the right side of the substance debate, too. Instead of bickering about RomneyÂ’s tax returns and repeating the obvious but unhelpful observation that the unemployment rate sucks, weÂ’ll actually have to debate serious problems and solutions. ThatÂ’s great for the country.


...

IÂ’m voting for Obama. But four years from now? In a stronger economy, with a runaway debt? And Ryan at the top of the ticket? ThatÂ’s awfully tempting.

Posted by: Ace at 05:45 PM | Comments (318)
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1 I'm gonna miss all the talk about Kate Upton's tits.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 05:46 PM (eoedh)

2 IÂ’m voting for Obama. But four years from now? In a stronger economy, with a runaway debt? And Ryan at the top of the ticket? ThatÂ’s awfully tempting.





No fucking words.  Bidenesque. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 05:47 PM (UOM48)

3 I agree with a lot of what he says about where this brings the debate. But Jesus Christ, some people are always happy to vote for Republicans in every election except the current one.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 11, 2012 05:48 PM (2v+KF)

4 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 05:49 PM (6o4Fb)

5

I see a pink slip in Saleton's near future.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 05:49 PM (eoedh)

6 Saletan has all the pieces on table in front of him, but can not or will not put them together. Fascinating.

Posted by: eman at August 11, 2012 05:49 PM (Rihme)

7 First!

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 11, 2012 05:50 PM (HtUdo)

8 Saletan's got his head up his ass on one very important point:  Most Tea Party people would love if all our politicians had the competence and honesty of Paul Ryan, and the detailed plans.

Posted by: International Lesbian Sports Council at August 11, 2012 05:50 PM (MMC8r)

9 How you can consider voting for Obama,if you have any fucking brains,is beyond me.I'll never understand it.

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 05:50 PM (6o4Fb)

10

I really never cross-post, I apologize in advance, but I just put this up at HA:

For the first time since 1984 we are going to hear an articulate and passionate case for small-government conservatism from the GOP Presidential ticket.

Since 1984

Think about that.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at August 11, 2012 05:50 PM (ZaYRZ)

11

Paul Ryan -

Ryan's Express -

Trains -

I love choo-choos

Barry says chooms are better.

I don't know

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 11, 2012 05:51 PM (bRK91)

12 Who is this Saletan and WHAT is he smoking?  You, nailed it, Jane.  Bidenesque indeed. 

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 05:51 PM (kpCLl)

13 I've got a good quote, and if anyone has connections feel free to pass it on to the campaign:

"America needs a little R and R!"

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 11, 2012 05:51 PM (Rc0hz)

14 Cake?

Posted by: toby928© at August 11, 2012 05:51 PM (QupBk)

15 This says it all:

IÂ’m voting for Obama.



William Saletan, Librul Genuus

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 05:51 PM (UOM48)

16 Shit.  /sock

Posted by: nickless at August 11, 2012 05:52 PM (MMC8r)

17 It'll be fun to see if lefties can maintain the passion of their Ryan hyperventilations through the end of next week. I gotta think they'll end up wheezing sooner than later.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 11, 2012 05:52 PM (kqGWM)

18 Obama is a stuttering clusterfu...Oh, who am I kidding, he's awesome.

Posted by: Unconvincing Moby at August 11, 2012 05:52 PM (6uY89)

19 Saletan gets points for honesty but they'll get docked right back unless he honestly explains why, having written all that about Ryan, he still wants to vote for Baraka. (I don;t want to read the whole thing.)

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 05:52 PM (KaIAt)

20 We get all foamy at the front of the Labia over all this BS when if we send 14 million Illegals back where they came from a Big problem is solved .  I drove through Compton Ca today and I can tell you for a fact , that only good can come fron enforcing the usa immigration laws to the letter of the law!!!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 05:53 PM (EhXOy)

21 "I'm voting for Obama."  Cause, well, free shit and high speed rail!!!!!

Ninja, please . . .

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 05:53 PM (kpCLl)

22 "Tea Party" has become an all purpose "doubleplusungood" for liberals. They don't know or care what the actual T.E.A. party stands for or does.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 11, 2012 05:53 PM (Rc0hz)

23 So let me get this straight. Ryan is brilliant, Republicans are right about spending, Democrats are demogoguing liars... and you're voting for Obama anyway? Uh...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 11, 2012 05:53 PM (r4wIV)

24 Saletan is voting for Obama. Nothing can change that. Saleton can't admit it, but he said it anyway.

Posted by: eman at August 11, 2012 05:53 PM (Rihme)

25 "despite" not "in spite of" Barack Obama.

Posted by: scofflawx at August 11, 2012 05:54 PM (dJges)

26 "This administration is driving us off a fiscal cliff...but I think I'm gonna go ahead and vote for Obama anyway."  What a fucking asshole.

Posted by: yinzer at August 11, 2012 05:54 PM (2GZPT)

27 Journalistic Tourette's syndrome

Posted by: Natasha at August 11, 2012 05:54 PM (pyYXJ)

28 MKH hit the note I've been trying to in the comments for a while, probably with little success.  We get mocked for having no ideas, yet we get nothing but dogs, horses, elevators, haircuts, felonies and murder as key campaign issues. 

I don't know if Paul Ryan helps or hurts chances of getting elected, but I'm sure as hell glad we're going to be exposing that "party of ideas" canard as the fraud it is.  Bravo to Romney for that.

We're going the have the best possible person making the best possible case for the most important issue IMO, but obviously I'm a big fan of Paul Ryan.  If Americans need to fall a little further into despair to accept reality, then that's really a shame, but I now feel confident that we are at least being given a chance here.

Posted by: Dave S. at August 11, 2012 05:54 PM (UvR6d)

29 @21 Peaches abides in Cullifornia?

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 05:54 PM (EhXOy)

30

"He isnÂ’t just another Tea-Party ideologue spouting dogma about less government and the magic of free enterprise."

 

He just can't quite expunge his inner asshole all the way. 

 

Most Tea Party "ideologues" are just another everyday citizen without the megaphone, resources, time, or space to fully articulate their views.  So all you get is bullet points.

 

Grow up Billy Boy.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 05:54 PM (eoedh)

31 So, is Clemenza a troll, or just insanely drunk?

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 11, 2012 05:55 PM (9hhVu)

32 I'm going to stay in bed with a big ol' cup of coffee just to watch MSDNC and CNN twist themselves into knots.

Already today, Wolf Blitzdork and pals were smirking over the fact RYAN DIDN'T WEAR A TIE this morning.  Obama is so fucking respectful of the office he doesn't wear one..........IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

(Sorry for the shouting.  I blame Cheney.  And Bush.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 05:55 PM (UOM48)

33 We get all foamy at the front of the Labia over all this BS when if we send 14 million Illegals back where they came from a Big problem is solved . I drove through Compton Ca today and I can tell you for a fact , that only good can come fron enforcing the usa immigration laws to the letter of the law!!!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 09:53 PM (EhXOy)

 

I'm with you for the most part on immigration.  But Compton isn't the greatest example.  You remember what Compton was like before it was all Mexican?  The illegals are probably an upgrade.

Posted by: yinzer at August 11, 2012 05:56 PM (2GZPT)

34 The phrase "magic of free enterprise" shows Saleton has a very long way to go. This is the shit you hear from freshman college students who of course know everything.

Posted by: eman at August 11, 2012 05:56 PM (Rihme)

35 @21 Peaches abides in Cullifornia?

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 09:54 PM (EhXOy)

Yeah, baby, westside of el lay.  And, while I drove past Compton today (twice, SD and back, kill me now), I did not actually leave the freeway until Culver City.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 05:57 PM (kpCLl)

36 When, oh when, do we get a Slublog Treatment for Cake Girl?

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 05:57 PM (KaIAt)

37 "IÂ’m voting for Obama. But four years from now? In a stronger economy, with a runaway debt? And Ryan at the top of the ticket? ThatÂ’s awfully tempting."

Wait...what? Is this what this guy is saying? : The economy sucks we are in debt to our eyeballs and I am voting for the guy that is making it exponentially worse but if the economy was good  then I would vote for the guy that would be able to help fix a bad economy.

Posted by: ShoNuff at August 11, 2012 05:57 PM (jo0fs)

38 >>>This says it all: >>>IÂ’m voting for Obama. As they say, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 11, 2012 05:57 PM (Dx7Bq)

39 I've got a good quote, and if anyone has connections feel free to pass it on to the campaign:

"America needs a little R and R!"

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 11, 2012 09:51 PM (Rc0hz)



---------


Made some stuff with that slogan on it this morning.  It's a good one, I agree.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 11, 2012 05:57 PM (P6QsQ)

40 @31 No pool beers do not work that way but in your heart you know I an RIGHT.

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 05:58 PM (EhXOy)

41 2 IÂ’m voting for Obama. But four years from now? In a stronger economy, with a runaway debt? And Ryan at the top of the ticket? ThatÂ’s awfully tempting. No fucking words. Bidenesque. Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 09:47 PM (UOM4 --Yup. William Saletan can't even finish a 2-piece jigsaw puzzle.

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 05:58 PM (KaIAt)

42 Saletan thinks we can survive another 4 years of Obama, eh?  He's delusional.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 11, 2012 05:58 PM (YRtOG)

43 Yeah, baby, westside of el lay. And, while I drove past Compton today (twice, SD and back, kill me now), I did not actually leave the freeway until Culver City.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 09:57 PM (kpCLl)

 

 

Speaking of places in LA, I finally returned your email.

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 11, 2012 05:58 PM (9hhVu)

44 ...so when does the scoamf announce his new vp choice?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at August 11, 2012 05:58 PM (Ho2rs)

45 Yinzer makes a strong point And one of these days Saletan is going to go all Scanners up in the brain pan from cognitive dissonance

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 11, 2012 05:59 PM (J6kXj)

46 Liberalism = brain disease

We really, really should plan camps for them.  Nice ones.  With Alexthechick as administratrix.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 05:59 PM (UOM48)

47 But Jesus Christ, some people are always happy to vote for Republicans in every election except the current one.

Bingo. Saletan ran the same shtick in 2004 when he claimed to agree with Schwarzenegger's convention speech. Gosh darn it, he's a fiscal conservative and would love to vote for the Republicans, but [some lame excuse to why he votes for the Marxist instead] so he has to vote for the Marxist instead.

Which isn't to say he's entirely wrong about the GOP being, in the main, feckless; nor about the Tea Party having some underinformed ideologues in it. But if that's his complaint, he should hardly be looking to the Democrats as being responsible nor to freakin' ACORN being a bastion of freethinking philosophers. If that's his complaint then he should ignore both parties and choose the best of the four candidates, which, as he's proven, is Ryan.

So: posturing douchebag postures some more.

Posted by: Boulder Hobo, lord of the chartreuse longbow at August 11, 2012 05:59 PM (QTHTd)

48 Saletan is just wanting to get beaten and creamed by Barney Frank.

Posted by: phoenixrisen at August 11, 2012 05:59 PM (JcgQg)

49 why do you say that, Grey Fox?  I found nothing odd whatsoever about Clemenza's post.  Of course, I live in el lay.

Clemenza, where you at?  Just generally (I don't need your address or anything, lol)

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 05:59 PM (kpCLl)

50 Saletan is an idiot if he's still pulling the lever for Obama. He thinks the economy will be stronger with 4 more years of Obama? He's fucking high thinking that.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:00 PM (dKV5k)

51 Saletan writes all of that, then says he will vote for Obama. Sounds like he might be a conservative moby.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 11, 2012 06:00 PM (lzvtR)

52 a federal government that hasnÂ’t even bothered to pass a budget since before the iPad existed   This should be a Romney ad.  It would sting.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 11, 2012 06:00 PM (YRtOG)

53 I too want to deport every illegal,and every child born of them.It wont happen of course,unless things get so bad that people become less squeamish.

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 06:01 PM (6o4Fb)

54 "But show me another Republican who has addressed the nationÂ’s fiscal problems as candidly and precisely as Ryan has. HeÂ’s got the least detailed
budget proposal out there, except for all the others."



Uh.....show me the one from the guy your voting for.

Posted by: Tami at August 11, 2012 06:01 PM (X6akg)

55 Already today, Wolf Blitzdork and pals were smirking over the fact RYAN DIDN'T WEAR A TIE this morning.

No way, Jane, that's the best that 'tard can do?  Time to watch "Wolf Blitzer, the dumbest asshole ever to play Jeopardy" again, lol.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:01 PM (kpCLl)

56 your=you're


damn

it

Posted by: Tami at August 11, 2012 06:01 PM (X6akg)

57 The Comeback Team of Romney and Ryan are coming home to Wisconsin tomorrow.  It's going to be crazy at the Waukesha Expo Center tomorrow night.

The Wisconsin Republican Senate Primary is Tuesday and the candidates had events planned for tomorrow.  Last word was that some of the candidates, not sure but maybe all,  have cancelled their appearances tomorrow night so they can join in on the Ryan Express.  Everybody will want to be seen with him. Oh yeah and that Romney guy too.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 11, 2012 06:01 PM (P6QsQ)

58 CDR M, what's the word on the Moron FFB leagues?

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:01 PM (KaIAt)

59 50 Saletan is an idiot if he's still pulling the lever for Obama. He thinks the economy will be stronger with 4 more years of Obama? He's fucking high thinking that.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 10:00 PM (dKV5k




They say Barry has some good shit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 06:01 PM (UOM48)

60 William Saletan is just another left wing ideologue spouting dogma about big government and social justice.

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 06:02 PM (KwX0v)

61 Kinda like the Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns keeps a room full of monkeys banging away at typewriters until they come up with something genius. They manage to arrive at "It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times," so he promptly shout's at them "stupid monkeys," and they begin shrieking.

Stupid Saletan.

Posted by: kinda like this at August 11, 2012 06:02 PM (XzgKk)

62 I will truly enjoy this election, and pray I celebrate as well. But, thinking that people who were dumb enough to vote for the SCOAMT in the first place will leave him in any appreciable numbers is wishful. In addition, the Community Organizer in Chief can be counted on to get out the vote like he never did before. I promise you the SCOAMT is a Messiah to his many splinter groups. And they need another emotional high. Emotions, not rational thought. Theory, not reality.

Posted by: Justamom at August 11, 2012 06:02 PM (Sptt8)

63 @49 just south pass peaches just south pass

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:03 PM (EhXOy)

64 Time to watch "Wolf Blitzer, the dumbest asshole ever to play Jeopardy" again, lol. Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 10:01 PM (kpCLl) Wrong! We were looking for "Who is Chris Matthews?"

Posted by: Alex Trebek at August 11, 2012 06:03 PM (KaIAt)

65 IÂ’m voting for Obama. So dude says we have the right tone on fiscal policy, but he's gonna go ahead and vote for four more years of depression anyway. Yah, about that, Bill....

Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2012 06:03 PM (3sZO1)

66 Saletan is like a drunk or junkie who strongly supports Prohibition. He knows he is helpless to confront and control his weakness on his own, so desires an enforcer to deal with the issue for him.

But kept away from drink or drugs, the user can still stand revealed as a fool. A sober fool but a fool none the less.

Posted by: epobirs at August 11, 2012 06:04 PM (kcfmt)

67

Ok, time to break it down by the numbers.  Summing up Saleton's observations in order:

 

- It is wonderful for the country that Paul Ryan was selected

 

- He's the only one with a plan to fix our mess

 

- Democrat arguments are bogus

 

- Liberals are irresponsible

 

- Democrats need a reality check

 

- Republicans will be right about spending and substance

 

- Democrats apparently haven't been serious

 

So as everyone is rightly pointing   out -  the  liberal mind's tolerance for cognitive dissonance is stupefying.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 06:04 PM (eoedh)

68 Saletan: Let's give Obama another 4 years to fix the mess that took 392 years to create.

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 06:04 PM (oB2II)

69 49why do you say that, Grey Fox? I found nothing odd whatsoever about Clemenza's post. Of course, I live in el lay.

 

Oh, his tendency to post rants about illegal immigration without provocation in threads - this one and the Xander one below -  that have nothing to do with the subject, plus his lack of punctuation, etc.  

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 11, 2012 06:05 PM (9hhVu)

70 58 CDR M, what's the word on the Moron FFB leagues? Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 10:01 PM (KaIAt) I activated them a few days ago. You should've received an email from NFL dot com.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:05 PM (dKV5k)

71 oh, nice, Clemenza.  my sis is in pas proper.  nice and warm out there, eh?

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:05 PM (kpCLl)

72 Ryan is not a Grisham Character. he is a politico who voted Tarp and Dream act or Nightmare if your a conservative..

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:05 PM (EhXOy)

73 I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this Saletan fellow's favorite politician is Steny Hoyer.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 11, 2012 06:05 PM (2pG7H)

74 a federal government that hasnÂ’t even bothered to pass a budget since before the iPad existed

This should be a Romney ad. It would sting. Posted by: @PurpAv

It was a crappy frame. The budget is slightly more important than the latest and greatest from Apple despite what the culties may think.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 11, 2012 06:06 PM (H4Rpo)

75 #54

Obama's spending plan is right out of the Matrix.

"Zeroes. Lots of zeroes."

Posted by: epobirs at August 11, 2012 06:06 PM (kcfmt)

76 I really want to help you across the street, but I'm going to knock you down and take your purse instead.

Posted by: Saletan at August 11, 2012 06:06 PM (Rihme)

77

>>William Saletan

 

After we re-elect Obama, Ryan is the answer we'll be looking for.

Posted by: garrett at August 11, 2012 06:06 PM (9AjMz)

78 I drove through Compton Ca today and I can tell you for a fact , that only good can come fron enforcing the usa immigration laws to the letter of the law!!!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 09:53 PM (EhXOy)



And you have some sort of Magic Vision that tells you people's immigration status?


I used to LIVE in Lynwood, and it was about half and half, illegal/legal. I vastly preferred the illegals, and the poster upthread was correct; Compton got an upgrade. I wish we could straight-up trade the US citizen trash for the illegals who are willing to work.

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 06:07 PM (SsG4J)

79 Saletan: After Obama spends us into oblivion creating a strong economy, I want Paul Ryan to come in and clean up the mess in 2016.

Posted by: Nukie at August 11, 2012 06:07 PM (AzwZn)

80 Wolf Blitzdork and pals were smirking over the fact RYAN DIDN'T WEAR A TIE this morning.---

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Rumor has it that Paul Ryan will appear tomorrow night without his shirt.


Okay maybe it's not a rumor.  Yet. Maybe it's more of a strategy I'm still working on.  Really working on.  Very hard.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 11, 2012 06:07 PM (P6QsQ)

81 Will Saletan ‏@saletan Sure they do. Social issues are the #1 thing that keeps me from voting GOP. Will Saletan ‏@saletan We don't have our own bond buyers. @PhilPerspective we can't go bankrupt. We aren't Europe. We have our own currency. Will Saletan ‏@saletan Remind me why I'm supposed to be impressed by Ted Cruz. I've seen him speak/debate. It's all dogma. If he were Ted Smith, nobody would care. Just some of this mans tweets. I don't find a sentient thread running through any of them. He is entertainment, apparently for himself.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:08 PM (9TTOe)

82 Allahpundit, huh? I bet the jihadis would love to get that real name. Hopefully, the man/woman/it is too smart to offer anyone an opportunity for a libel suit.

Posted by: A. at August 11, 2012 06:08 PM (oYIRR)

83 Rumor has it that Paul Ryan will appear tomorrow night without his shirt.

Okay maybe it's not a rumor. Yet. Maybe it's more of a strategy I'm still working on. Really working on. Very hard.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 11, 2012 10:07 PM (P6QsQ)



Work, mama, work!!!

Posted by: Tami at August 11, 2012 06:08 PM (X6akg)

84 Grey Fox, I have to say that I agree 100% about deporting every single illegal and their anchor babies with them.  The County of Los Angeles, alone, spends over $1 billion (BILLION) dollars a year on their food, housing and medical care.  This does not include the cost of "educating" their children or incarcerating their more overt criminals.  I am a complete hardass about illegals.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:08 PM (kpCLl)

85 @ 71.Yeah but a dry heat, but so is my oven.

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:09 PM (EhXOy)

86 A. thank you for your concern

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at August 11, 2012 06:09 PM (Ho2rs)

87 Watching this high speed progressive train wreck, up until the election, will be as as mesmerizing as watching Kate Upton's ample bosoms dance counterpoint in a Higg's field.  In slow motion.

Posted by: Fritz at August 11, 2012 06:09 PM (RuVpG)

88 I activated them a few days ago. You should've received an email from NFL dot com. Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 10:05 PM (dKV5k) --Sweet. I hope I can just log in to the site and it'll have the league listed with my team.

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:09 PM (KaIAt)

89 Obamabot:  I love him!!! He's so cool and sexy!!! But he hits me and makes me cry....but it's my fault because I disappoint him so.  I must try harder!!!

This is the shit we're up against.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 06:09 PM (UOM48)

90

>>Why do I love Paul Ryan?

 

Because sometimes a girl just needs a man to take control and give her a solid fiscal pounding.

Posted by: William Saletan at August 11, 2012 06:10 PM (9AjMz)

91 83 Anything that gets votes,I say go hit the beach Congressman.

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 06:10 PM (6o4Fb)

92 26 "This administration is driving us off a fiscal cliff...but I think I'm gonna go ahead and vote for Obama anyway."

****

This is one one of those liberal douchebags that believes that Americans deserve to suffer.  Ironically, we wouldn't deserve world wide ridicule if it wasn't for assholes like him.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 11, 2012 06:10 PM (61yvg)

93 @ 78 good for you I can exile you also to main street Mehico

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:10 PM (EhXOy)

94 I really want to help you across the street, but I'm going to knock you down and take your purse instead.

I hope Breitbart is still reading, just for comments like that one. 

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:10 PM (kpCLl)

95 Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 10:08 PM (kpCLl) I hear ya Peach. No papers? GTFO. It's fair, it's decisive and it's inexpensive. We have been financing those that are undeserving for far too long.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:10 PM (9TTOe)

96

"We don't have our own bond buyers"

 

I guess he's never heard of the Federal Reserve.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 06:11 PM (eoedh)

97 Shirtless Paul Ryan vs. Shirtless Barky McMomJeans

Who wins?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 06:11 PM (UOM48)

98 If Obama wins in 2012, just what the hell does Saletan think will be left in 2016? There'll be a country named America, but that's about it.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 11, 2012 06:11 PM (d9tUw)

99 @72 Ryan is not a Grisham Character.

Well of course not, silly. Everybody knows that.
He's a Tom Clancy character.

Posted by: comatus at August 11, 2012 06:12 PM (qaVK+)

100 Shirtless Paul Ryan vs. Shirtless Barky McMomJeans

Who wins?

Barky.

Posted by: Reggie at August 11, 2012 06:12 PM (HtUdo)

101 @84 I like peaches to replace Nepalitono!!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:12 PM (EhXOy)

102 Obama is wrong on every fucking subject but voting against him is racist.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 11, 2012 06:13 PM (61yvg)

103 CDR M, I'm in! When is our draft? I did not see anything on the league or league setings page (but then my eyesight sucks with those little fonts).

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:13 PM (KaIAt)

104 He's a Tom Clancy character.


-----------

I was thinking Vince Flynn.  You know, Mitch Rapp.  With compound bow.  Mmmmmmm

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 11, 2012 06:13 PM (P6QsQ)

105 Just got called a racist on Kos.

They are scary people. Luckily I will win the fight after the argument every time with an effeminate lefty worm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 11, 2012 06:13 PM (2b4yb)

106 Hey, Reggie.  Are we American taxpayers paying your way to the closing ceremonies at the Olympics?

Did Barry give you a goodbye "kiss?"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 06:13 PM (UOM48)

107

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 10:08 PM (kpCLl)

 

Peaches, it isn't the position that bothers me - I tend to take a pretty hard line on the subject of illegal immigration myself -  it is the way he brought it up in the Xander thread and here when it pretty OT, combined with the mildly incoherent nature of his posts, that makes me wonder if he has had one too many.

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 11, 2012 06:13 PM (9hhVu)

108 99 @72 Ryan is not a Grisham Character. Well of course not, silly. Everybody knows that. He's a Tom Clancy character. Posted by: comatus at August 11, 2012 10:12 PM (qaVK+) I'm thinkin Vince Flynn.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:13 PM (9TTOe)

109 It should logprof. I should be able to add you to the 12 team league if you want to. I need to replace 2 zombie teams and 1 drop out.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:14 PM (dKV5k)

110 He's a Tom Clancy character.


I'm hoping he's a Robert E. Howard character.

Posted by: joh at August 11, 2012 06:14 PM (HtUdo)

111 Or is it crossbow?  Maybe it's longbow. 


I don't care what kind of bow it is  so long as he is wrapped up in it  under my tree on Christmas morning.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 11, 2012 06:14 PM (P6QsQ)

112 @99 pool beers do that . thanks!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:14 PM (EhXOy)

113 Hey Saletan,you know who else"had their own currency"?Weimar Germany.Retard.

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 06:14 PM (6o4Fb)

114

"Social issues are the #1 thing that keeps me from voting GOP."

Because the GOP is apparently all up in your shit.  Facts not in evidence, but it helps keep up your liberal street cred to spout your own  vapid, ideological dogma.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 06:14 PM (eoedh)

115 Rumor has it that Paul Ryan will appear tomorrow night without his shirt.

That's funny, rumor also has it that Joe Biden will appear most nights without his pants.

Posted by: pep at August 11, 2012 06:15 PM (6TB1Z)

116 Ace doesn't have  date tonight?

Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 11, 2012 06:15 PM (qnvHI)

117 Tammy, I'm not saying there aren't some really good-hearted, hard-working people who are here illegally.  But I have employed many of them and, here's what they do.  They do not get "legally" married, so that the wife can claim all manner of bennies for herself and the kids (lots of 'em usually).  The husband works, many times for cash, or close to it (claiming 50 dependents, which the IRS does nothing about).  You see them in the grocery line, her with the food stamp card paying for the "necessities," him behind her with the wad of cash buying the booze and the good stuff.  And, check out how much the remittances to "their" countries amounts to every year.  I would have little problem with them if they weren't stealing from my pocket to send money home to their countries.  It makes me mad.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:15 PM (kpCLl)

118 I haven't set a draft date. I've got 4 leagues to deconflict!

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:15 PM (dKV5k)

119 105 Just got called a racist on Kos.

They are scary people. Luckily I will win the fight after the argument every time with an effeminate lefty worm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 11, 2012 10:13 PM (2b4yb




Did you wash up before you came back here?  Why did they call you a racist?  Wait.....let me guess.....you don't worship the God Child Barry, right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 06:16 PM (UOM48)

120 The comments on that article is total proof why libs should be allowed to have abortions.

Posted by: Berserker at August 11, 2012 06:16 PM (FMbng)

121 Good evening everybody. I'm Tits Magee.

Posted by: Joe Biden VP Debate Opening Remark at August 11, 2012 06:16 PM (AzwZn)

122 For a long time i thought liberals just had a different, less informed, perspective and that theoretically they could be honest advocates of a competing ideology. Perhaps they could even be right about a thing or two.

But after four years of SCOAMF, anybody that tells me (like slatern above) that they plan to vote, again, for barry. Well, unless they are his mother they are an idiot. An intellectually, dishonest moron that is beyond persuasion or education. They are no longer adversaries, they are part of the problem. They live in a world where reality and facts are so distorted, and their ability to interpret them is so dishonest that I don't have the time to explain it to them, and they don't have the brain.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at August 11, 2012 06:16 PM (zZJJp)

123

"Just got called a racist on Kos. "

Present them with a math problem?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 06:16 PM (eoedh)

124 HOLY CRAP, I was doing an image search to compare Anthony Weiner's weener pic to the Paul Ryan Massive Weener pic that has surfaced and up comes pictures of Anna Wintour on the Anthony Weiner search.

Why....and then it hit me....take off the wig and they look a lot alike....has anyone seen Anthony Weiner and Anna Wintour in the same place at the same time?

Any one else notice that they both have the initials A.W.?

I am freaking out at how similar they look.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 11, 2012 06:16 PM (ovpNn)

125 Unlike most leftists, Saletan seems to have a rudimentary understanding of economics.  From his global warming comment, he doesn't have a clue about science.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at August 11, 2012 06:17 PM (vt8fq)

126 @117 Don't go there, Illegal is . Illegal. try that in Iran and you get a cell ..

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:17 PM (EhXOy)

127 >>>116 Ace doesn't have date tonight?

That bastard *sob*

He's found some other trash *cry* *sob* *cry*

Posted by: Marco Rubio's trash at August 11, 2012 06:17 PM (XzgKk)

128 Saletan likes the crease in Ryan's pants. He's a frickin' liberal David Brooks.

Posted by: ChicagoXile at August 11, 2012 06:17 PM (2Cn1h)

129 How can anyone vote for Obama? He's a fraud.

Posted by: Fresh at August 11, 2012 06:17 PM (O7ksG)

130 I'm speechless.

He knows that the course is unsustainable but after four more years of trillion dollar deficits he'll find the possibility of reform tempting.

Kinda like how I like the idea of dieting and in four years I might give it a shot.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at August 11, 2012 06:18 PM (2S60h)

131 I am freaking out at how similar they look.

What does it mean?  WHAT DOES IT MEAN?????

Posted by: Cruing double rainbow guy at August 11, 2012 06:19 PM (6TB1Z)

132 I can haz ONT?

Apparently the Navy has been hiding the existence of mermaids because their ELF transmitters fuck with them the same way as it fucks with the whales. WHY DID THESE BASTARDS HIDE THIS FROM ME???? I never got invited to a conspiracy dammit! 20 years and NO CONSPIRACY!!! *sob*

(I saw it on The Discovery Channel so it must be true.)


Sheesh. Is there not a single "mocumentery" channel that won't jump the shark?

Evening roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:19 PM (yh0zB)

133 109 It should logprof. I should be able to add you to the 12 team league if you want to. I need to replace 2 zombie teams and 1 drop out. Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 10:14 PM (dKV5k) --I'm up to taking a team, but make sure that other Morons without a team get a chance first. Attention Moron Fantasy Football Fans: we have open slots if you want to sign up and prove your managerial wizardry against fellow Morons and Moronettes!

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:19 PM (KaIAt)

134 #37 - Wait...what? Is this what this guy is saying? : The economy sucks we are in debt to our eyeballs and I am voting for the guy that is making it exponentially worse but if the economy was good then I would vote for the guy that would be able to help fix a bad economy.

I think I know what the guy is saying.  It's a little like what we say about raising taxes in a bad economy.  Liberals think that if you cut spending in a bad economy, that you cripple opportunity for economic growth.  Now, they overstate what government can do and understate what private business can do when keeping more of their money, but that's where he is coming from I believe. 

The big thing they miss is that the money that government wouldn't be spending does eventually get spent.  They don't generate any of this wealth. And business would spend it if they felt the political climate was trending in a more favorable direction.  So really what happens is that dollars don't necessarily get spent exactly where government wants them.  The economy doesn't feel the pinch, but the favored industries sure do.  And, again, liberals tend to buy into the myth that the favored industries provide the greater value over time.

Liberals also often totally disregard the idea that the dollars the government loses still get circulated into the economy.  They prefer to pretend that the dollars just come out of the economy altogether.  They really know better though.  If you talk to any, they will bitch about this endlessly. They get pretty furious that business won't do Obama a solid and spend cash they sit on right now.  They view it as greed and selfishness, but why would you step out on a limb when you wonder what this guy might do with another 4 years, especially when not being concerned about re-election?

So I interpret Saletan as being halfway there.  He's saying that somewhere along the line, we'll have to take this seriously, but can't we wait until the economy is on more solid footing?

I don't buy any of this, mind you, but that's what I think he's saying based off many frustrating interactions with liberal friends.  Sorry if it was long and rambling, but I've been drinking a few here.

Posted by: Dave S. at August 11, 2012 06:20 PM (UvR6d)

135 wonder if he has had one too many.

Hardly a fuckin' crime at the HQ, unless I missed the memo.  Sorry, but sheesh.  I know PhD's who can't spell worth a shit.  I know really smart people who drink.  I am truly perplexed by your attitude.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:20 PM (kpCLl)

136 I still payin for my car and my gas for my car, and my phone.  Obama ain't give me what he promised.  But I'll give him one mo chance.

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at August 11, 2012 06:20 PM (2GZPT)

137 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 10:16 PM (UOM4

I pointed out that Ryan is an all-American type. It was interpreted as, "not Black."


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 11, 2012 06:20 PM (2b4yb)

138 Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 10:15 PM (kpCLl) Damn Peach just say it. If you are not here legally you are a theif. You are stealing from us and our children. Why our children? Because apparently part of the 40 cents on every dollar we are barrowing in going to support your sorry ass. Why is it sorry? Because unlike our fathers and forfathers who fought to free us, you choose to run away. If I hear one more piece of shit talk about "Their rich culture" I'm gonna fucking crack. I have a culture, I do not want yours.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:20 PM (9TTOe)

139 Mermaids are classified. Did the damn White House leak that out too? Damn it.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:20 PM (dKV5k)

140 Don't go there, Illegal is . Illegal. try that in Iran and you get a cell ..

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 10:17 PM (EhXOy)


Heh, try it in Mexico . . .

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:21 PM (kpCLl)

141 Makes me mad, too, Peaches; I am all for wholesale deportation.


But when people assume every single Hispanic person they see is illegal, like our drunkard friend Clem there, it also irritates the shit out of me.

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 06:22 PM (SsG4J)

142
I pointed out that Ryan is an all-American type. It was interpreted as, "not Black."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 11, 2012 10:20 PM (2b4yb




Tiring, isn't it?  Fuckwits.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 06:22 PM (UOM48)

143 "With Ryan on the ticket, the debate should no longer be about contraception and the deferred cancer-causing capabilities of Bain investments. It will be about the budget and the $16-trillion debt, the unsustainable trajectory of the federal government and the promises itÂ’s already breaking to generations to come." Yeah, like some welfare collecting minority with a criminal record and an IQ of 60 gives a shit about that. (Which is what, at least half the country now? Don't you guys watch JayWalking?) In other words, two white guys with perfect hair talking mathematical gibberish = EPIC FAIL. Fucking Romney. I knew this would happen.

Posted by: SuperMag at August 11, 2012 06:22 PM (RKdhP)

144 To Obama.muslims>anybody else,especially filthy Christians. The U.S. State Department removed the sections covering religious freedom from the Country Reports on Human Rights that itreleased on May 24, three months past the statutory deadline Congress set for the release of these reports. The new human rights reports—purged of the sections that discuss the status of religious freedom in each of the countries covered—are also the human rights reports that include the period that covered the Arab Spring and its aftermath. Thus, the reports do not provide in-depth coverage of what has happened to Christians and other religious minorities in predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East that saw the rise of revolutionary movements in 2011 in which Islamist forces played an instrumental role. For the first time ever, the State Department simply eliminated the section of religious freedom in its reports covering 2011… (emphasis added).

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 06:22 PM (6o4Fb)

145 I bet Paul Ryan wears nice worn-in jeans that hug his ass just so . . . maybe a little rip in the knee or some fraying at the bottoms.   Mmmmmmm.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:23 PM (kpCLl)

146 @5 I see a pink slip in Saleton's near future. Interesting, although I would prefer a girl in a pink slip. To each their own however.

Posted by: jbarntt at August 11, 2012 06:24 PM (UNFot)

147 I pointed out that Ryan is an all-American type. It was interpreted as, "not Black." Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 11, 2012 10:20 PM (2b4yb) --Good grief. Hell, they're even stupid about being insulted: you'd think they'd be more offended that it was (to them) stealth Birther crack than about his *race*.

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:24 PM (KaIAt)

148 What a day.  I'm exhausted from exhilaration and (heh) shopping, which we seldom do in an actual Mall From Hell. 

Bless you all. 

and,

Finish them!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2012 06:24 PM (UOM48)

149 Dave S that was an excellent post and I'd quote bits if I weren't on an iPad... Anyway what the libs do via govt is malinvestment pure and simple. And it has to end. And it will. Saletan Wept.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 11, 2012 06:24 PM (J6kXj)

150 146 I bet Paul Ryan wears nice worn-in jeans that hug his ass just so . . . maybe a little rip in the knee or some fraying at the bottoms. Mmmmmmm. Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 10:23 PM (kpCLl) Stay focused you Faux trollop. You were doing so well.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:24 PM (9TTOe)

151 I couldn't have said it any better Oldsailor!

Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 11, 2012 06:24 PM (qnvHI)

152 Does Paul Ryan have a hot wife? 

Posted by: yinzer at August 11, 2012 06:25 PM (2GZPT)

153 I've never actually seen a good picture of Vice President Ryan's butt.  Girls, anybody got a rear view pic?  I'd be forever in your debt.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:25 PM (kpCLl)

154 Mermaids are classified. Did the damn White House leak that out too? Damn it.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 10:20 PM (dKV5k)



Wait...YOU'RE IN ON IT?????

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:25 PM (yh0zB)

155

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at August 11, 2012 10:16 PM (zZJJp)

 

Welcome to the club.  I used to feel the same way.  "Oh they just have a different opinion.  We just disagree.  They're  misinformed."

 

Sorry, not anymore.  Those vile shitstains have poisoned the well for me.  They call me racist, publish bullshit studies telling me I'm intolerant, brain  damaged, emotionally stunted, or whatever other vehicle they can use to project their own myriad inadequacies onto the people they hate. 

 

They scream, lie, obfuscate, change the subject, and demonstrate all the symptoms of a schizophrenic child with sociopathic tendencies. 

 

Fuck 'em.  Fuck 'em all.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 06:25 PM (eoedh)

156 I think Paul's wife is pretty. I'd hit that! Lol

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 11, 2012 06:26 PM (J6kXj)

157 smite them!!!!

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:26 PM (kpCLl)

158 we have open slots if you want to sign up and prove your managerial wizardry against fellow Morons and Moronettes! Having never played FF, I have some fear I will be raped.

Posted by: toby928© at August 11, 2012 06:26 PM (QupBk)

159

We make a mistake in thinking that Saletan is writing for us.

 

He  is writing for the Left wing drones who will mindlessly pull the lever for Obama because  Ryan is a political hack (so said Matthews this afternoon) or Mitt Romney hates women (in the comments under Saletan's article).

 

As big a conflicting bag of confusion Slate articles usually are, Saletan actually wants THEM to consider the problems at hand.  That is not going to happen (judging by the comments) but that is about as close as Saletan and his empty-headed followers will ever get to going beyond ROMNEY ATE MY BABY!

And TAX CUTS FOR MILLIONAIRES! (just watching that on the TV), while Brokeback Obama lies about "reducing the deficit".  This is the load of bilge water that sloshes around in the bottom of the ship. And it smells.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...free Miss Marple! at August 11, 2012 06:26 PM (sJTmU)

160 @ 142 I HOPE THAT irritation IS BETWEEN YOUR LEGS BECAUSE YOU IRRITATE ME BETWEEN MY CONSERVATIVE EARS..

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:27 PM (EhXOy)

161 Jane - did you fine a chair?

Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 11, 2012 06:27 PM (qnvHI)

162 Never mind this, where are the POLLS!!!1111!!111111!!!111!1111111!111111!!!

Posted by: Dr. Gergenfly Tardyaso at August 11, 2012 06:27 PM (aHR5E)

163 So, the leftists I voted for before lead me to a cliff and want me to jump off with them. At the bottom, off to the right, is a group of folks holding a net that might save me from becoming a wet mound on the ground below.

So I'm going to lean left when jumping off to avoid them, even though I know they want to save me and I don't want to die.



WTF does Saletan think happens to our currency if the Euro self-immolates? Is he aware of how much of our economy is driven by selling goods and services to Europeans? We may run our own printing presses and use different pictures on the bills and coins but no functional currency on this planet is truly independent of all others.

Posted by: epobirs at August 11, 2012 06:27 PM (kcfmt)

164 Hey, am I still in FF CDR M?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:28 PM (9TTOe)

165 IÂ’m voting for Obama. But four years from now? In a stronger economy, with a runaway debt? And Ryan at the top of the ticket? ThatÂ’s awfully tempting.




I've read some seriously stupid shit on the intertubes, but this might just move the bar.

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 11, 2012 06:28 PM (6IReR)

166 My wife is trying to show educational vids to the babeh, and he freaked out on a crying jag when a video froze. Brain candy becomes addictive early.

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:28 PM (KaIAt)

167 I AM NOT A FUCKING ASSHOLE.  I HAVEN'T HAD SEX IN... WELL, EVER.

Posted by: Chlamydia at August 11, 2012 06:29 PM (aHR5E)

168 You notice Saletan doesn't agree with us on social or foreign policy. So what if our country is going into massive debt; if we don't have free abortions and contraception for everyone, and we feel like nobody in the world LIKES us, then I'ma vote Democrat.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at August 11, 2012 06:29 PM (61onk)

169 I am so full of shit I make next Friday stink.

Posted by: Saletan at August 11, 2012 06:30 PM (Rihme)

170 *checks clock*

*refreshes page*

Somebody's slacking.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:30 PM (yh0zB)

171
161

okay, sparky, you talk like that to Tammy and you are on your own . . . whatever i missed, it probably did not accrue to your favor.  {steps away from the ick}

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:30 PM (kpCLl)

172 Saletan is still a waffle fry short of a Chick-Fil-A meal.

You can lead a donkey to a greener pasture, but go ahead try to convince him to eat when he wants brambles.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 06:31 PM (y2dm+)

173 Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at August 11, 2012 10:28 PM (6IReR) --You should post this on the Moron FB page for laughs.

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:31 PM (KaIAt)

174
Hardly a fuckin' crime at the HQ, unless I missed the memo. Sorry, but sheesh. I know PhD's who can't spell worth a shit. I know really smart people who drink. I am truly perplexed by your attitude.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 10:20 PM (kpCLl)

 

I just thought he was acting really bizarre tonight, and commented on it. At first I really thought he was a troll trying to derail our threads - his post on the Xander thread was deleted because it was both off-topic and came across as somewhat offensive, according to a couple of other commenters.

 

If you didn't see his post there, then I guess my reaction might be puzzling.

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 11, 2012 06:31 PM (9hhVu)

175 165 Hey, am I still in FF CDR M?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 10:28 PM (9TTOe)


You should be.  Email went out a few days ago from nfl dot com.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:31 PM (dKV5k)

176

So what's the connection between Paul Ryan and Trig Palin?

 

At least one of Saletan's demented friends will soon ask that question.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...free Miss Marple! at August 11, 2012 06:31 PM (sJTmU)

177 Somebody's slacking.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 10:30 PM (yh0zB)


Oh no I'm not.  Just letting ace's post breath a little.  I don't want to anger the boss.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:32 PM (dKV5k)

178

"So I interpret Saletan as being halfway there. He's saying that somewhere along the line, we'll have to take this seriously, but can't we wait until the economy is on more solid footing?"

Meh, that's too complicated for an addle-brained liberal.  Occam's razor applies:

 

Saleton is actually voting R&R; he just doesn't want to lose his cocktail party invites.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 06:32 PM (eoedh)

179 yeah, Grey Fox, his recent comment to the beloved Miss Tammy just put the kibosh on my, apparently, intemperate comments in his defense. 

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:33 PM (kpCLl)

180 Is this pickem or real ffb? Anyone interested in an auction league?

Posted by: Senator John McCain at August 11, 2012 06:33 PM (OIuTH)

181 he might have been down in Compton scoring some crack, eh?

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:33 PM (kpCLl)

182 I wasn't aware of this: the latest Harry Reid scandal.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at August 11, 2012 06:33 PM (vt8fq)

183 181 Is this pickem or real ffb? Anyone interested in an auction league? /sock

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at August 11, 2012 06:33 PM (OIuTH)

184 Wait...YOU'RE IN ON IT?????

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 10:25 PM (yh0zB)


I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of mermaids.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:33 PM (dKV5k)

185 Saletan actually wants THEM to consider the problems at hand.

It sounds like he wants them to pretend to consider it, just like he does, and then kick the can another 4 years, until the economy is magically strong and the debt another 5 trillion larger. Because then budget plans will finally be important. Really. Swearsies.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 11, 2012 06:34 PM (24aD3)

186

So, is this the ONT?

 

It's a little funky to be the ONT.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...free Miss Marple! at August 11, 2012 06:34 PM (sJTmU)

187 he might have been down in Compton scoring some crack, eh?

Who hasn't?

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 11, 2012 06:34 PM (HtUdo)

188 183 - the link didn't work.here it is:  http://tinyurl.com/8r3kmaf.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at August 11, 2012 06:34 PM (vt8fq)

189 It is a real FFL.  Pick 'em groups will probably go active this week for the horde.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 06:34 PM (dKV5k)

190 Is it possible for Romney and Ryan to communicate with individuals who lack reason, and change their emotions?

Posted by: Justamom at August 11, 2012 06:34 PM (Sptt8)

191 I am interested in seeing Paul Ryan's butt in a pair of well-fitting, but not hipster-tight, jeans.  That's pretty much where my head is at right now.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:34 PM (kpCLl)

192 Wow, the rare liberal with a capacity for critical thought.

Posted by: amirite at August 11, 2012 06:35 PM (+eL9Y)

193 That is the DUMBEST EFFING CONCLUSION EVER.

Liberals are infantile, jabbering idiots.

Hey, I'm going to vote for Obama and watch the debt explode.

Idiot.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 11, 2012 06:35 PM (kNqmp)

194 Oh no I'm not. Just letting ace's post breath a little. I don't want to anger the boss.

Posted by: CDR M at August 11, 2012 10:32 PM (dKV5k)



OK, I guess I can accept that.

Like I have a choice, right?



Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:35 PM (yh0zB)

195 OK who's got the link to the Paul Ryan crossbow pic?  I can't find it.

Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 11, 2012 06:35 PM (qnvHI)

196 Aarrgh. So i guess you are full up? Hmm maybe I could hit up the yahoo group email list or sumfin...

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at August 11, 2012 06:35 PM (OIuTH)

197 @182 I get that at the house...

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:35 PM (EhXOy)

198

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 10:33 PM (kpCLl)

 

 

Heh. He makes a better argument for my position than I could.

Posted by: Grey Fox at August 11, 2012 06:35 PM (9hhVu)

199 I am curious why this saletan douche deserves our attention. I have never heard of him before now. Is there a giant megaphone he holds that I am not aware of?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:36 PM (9TTOe)

200 yeah the comments at the Saletan article are illuminating.

the libs say over and over again that they wish there were Republicans who were "sane".  but what they really mean by a "sane Republican" is a Democrat.  so when Saletan actually points out Ryan is a "sane Republican" even by Democrats' professed standards, the mask slips.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 11, 2012 06:36 PM (d/5qf)

201 Idiot. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 11, 2012 10:35 PM (kNqmp) Yeah, but he is a reality-based idiot, so he has that going for him...

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at August 11, 2012 06:36 PM (OIuTH)

202 That's pretty much where my head is at right now.

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Trust me, you don't want to know where my head is.

Posted by: Plugs Biden at August 11, 2012 06:36 PM (aHR5E)

203

*Looks around for ONT*

Blink.

 

Blink.

 

Oh, well.  If proglodytes give you grief about Paul Ryan driving the Weinermobile, remember that Barry had a Choom Wagon (and wasn't getting paid).

 

http://bit.ly/Qqaa4Q

Posted by: RushBabe at August 11, 2012 06:36 PM (tQHzJ)

204 "I'm voting for Obama. But four years from now? In a stronger economy, with a runaway debt? And Ryan at the top of the ticket? That's awfully tempting."

So if you know sticking your finger in an electrical outlet is going to electrocute you, why the f*ck are you going to douse your hand with water and then do it anyway? Based on the premise that you might not die and miracle cure will bring you around?

The dude was reasonably rational until he became irrational. Jeez. Liberalism is a disease of the synapses.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2012 06:37 PM (eHIJJ)

205 I am interested in seeing Paul Ryan's butt in a pair of well-fitting, but not hipster-tight, jeans. That's pretty much where my head is at right now.

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 10:34 PM (kpCLl)



I saw a pic of him posing with an 8 point buck, does that count?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:37 PM (yh0zB)

206 So in 2012 he'll vote to re-elect Obama and in 2016 he'll vote to re-elect Romney. Because if the economy is stronger in 2016, Obama won't be the guy in the White House.

Posted by: Michael at August 11, 2012 06:37 PM (tIo/C)

207 Trust me, you don't want to know where my head is.

Posted by: Plugs Biden at August 11, 2012 10:36 PM (aHR5E)


Only your proctologist knows for sure, Joe!

Posted by: Peaches at August 11, 2012 06:38 PM (kpCLl)

208 THE PRESIDENT: … Look, I’m at the start of my administration. One nice thing about the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I’ve got four years – Q: You’ll know quickly how people feel about what’s happened. THE PRESIDENT: That’s exactly right. And, you know, a year from now, I think people are going to see that we’re starting to make some progress, but there’s still going to be some pain out there. If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition. And I welcome that responsibility

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 06:39 PM (6o4Fb)

209 @ 142 I HOPE THAT irritation IS BETWEEN YOUR LEGS BECAUSE YOU IRRITATE ME BETWEEN MY CONSERVATIVE EARS..

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 10:27 PM (EhXOy)



LOL, that you, raykon?? You mad, bro??  Come here,  let me scratch you behind your widdle ears....

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 06:39 PM (SsG4J)

210 We make a mistake in thinking that Saletan is writing for us.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...free Miss Marple! at August 11, 2012 10:26 PM (sJTmU)


Well said, as usual. What Saletan is saying is; "The enemy is right about everything. We need to co-opt the logic of the enemy, before it can hurt us, and benefit the enemy."

Posted by: cm9000 at August 11, 2012 06:39 PM (lzvtR)

211 If I donÂ’t have this done in three years, then thereÂ’s going to be a one-term proposition. And I welcome that responsibility



I welcome this as well.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:40 PM (yh0zB)

212 Hey, an American just got the Gold in Gay diving, oooops, I mean Diving.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:40 PM (9TTOe)

213

Whoa, a liberal almost makes sense, until he gets to the part where he says "I'm voting for Obama". 

O/T but I apologize for anyone I offended last night.  I was loaded and I have no memory whatsoever of posting anything under the name "Fuck Bob Dole".

Posted by: Adam at August 11, 2012 06:41 PM (/YJYi)

214

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 10:39 PM (6o4Fb)

 

I wish I could find the clip  or excerpt of Obama saying he and the Dems own the economy.  All I can find is Roseanne Rosannadanna-Wasserman-Schultz's excerpt.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2012 06:41 PM (eoedh)

215 #191

No, but if such persons are a solid majority we're completely doomed.  It's just a few percentage points that need to shift. That, combined with the disgusted voters who cannot bring themselves to repeat their 2008 vote nor vote GOP, will get the job done.

Until such time as someone invents and FTL drive or inter-dimensional gateway that allows an egress to somewhere to start things over, a small, sensible government must include 'adult supervision' as part of its task list.

Posted by: epobirs at August 11, 2012 06:41 PM (kcfmt)

216 LOL, that you, raykon?? You mad, bro?? Come here, let me scratch you behind your widdle ears....

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 10:39 PM (SsG4J)



Hahahaha! Tammy, you are far too nice to the trolls, you know that?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:41 PM (yh0zB)

217 So this asshat Slateran knows the current policies are unsustainable, and that the only guy talking about addressing them is Ryan, but he's such a reflexive tool he's gonna vote for Obama anyway to spite the mean ole nasty rethuglicans. He's Thinking Ryan will be the nominee in 4 years. Unfortunately he doesn't realize that if Obama wins, in 4 years, he'll be in a re-education camp, and Ryan will have died of a fatal case of lead poisoning.

Posted by: Iblis at August 11, 2012 06:41 PM (Rafd5)

218 Is it me or has there been a lot of people posting here acting like we stole their cheese?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 06:42 PM (y2dm+)

219 Liberals...living proof that life manages to sustain itself with a single digit IQ.

Posted by: Berserker at August 11, 2012 06:42 PM (FMbng)

220 200 Because the libs are coming out of the woodwork.  TEA PARTY. They fear they are losing their power to control us.

Posted by: Infidel voting for America's R & R at August 11, 2012 06:42 PM (qnvHI)

221 OK, Steevy, where do you get your info? I had not heard that about the State Dept human rights deleting religion.

Posted by: Justamom at August 11, 2012 06:42 PM (Sptt8)

222 O/T but I apologize for anyone I offended last night. I was loaded and I have no memory whatsoever of posting anything under the name "Fuck Bob Dole". Posted by: Adam at August 11, 2012 10:41 PM (/YJYi) --I'm hoping a couple of Morons apologize for shitting the thread earlier today and kiss and make up (if not out).

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:43 PM (KaIAt)

223 It's just a typical feint towards decent behavior, what he is really saying is this: "There are still things I want implemented even thought there is no way pay for them. So, to seem reasonable I will pretend I want to vote for the guy on the bottom of the ticket in 4 years to deal with the problems after the guy who will give me all the social programs I have ever wanted is done with his second term. Except I'll probably change my mind by then." It's not a mental disorder - he's lying about caring about the debt AND voting for Ryan in 4 years in order to seem like he is compromising so that he can get everything he wants now. It's a bait and switch.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at August 11, 2012 06:43 PM (OIuTH)

224 GGE!  How are you??


Clem sounds familiar somehow, I'm sure it's someone I have a soft spot for. Not a new commenter, that's for sure, just can't quite place him/her.


Berserker, spot on.

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 06:44 PM (SsG4J)

225 And good god, what is "Republican foreign policy" anyway? The leaders of the GOP agree entirely with the Democrats on the Near East, and are equally ineffective in Latin America.

Posted by: Boulder Hobo, lord of the chartreuse longbow at August 11, 2012 06:44 PM (QTHTd)

226

Well, my earlier posts on superlative woman athletes went understood by some and disregarded by most, but the same thing goes for women who are real musicians: http://tinyurl.com/8nbflfcp     Probably Old Sailor has a better story than me about THAT, too-  amyways "not normal" sometimes has its moments

Yay!! I got caught in a HTML jungle and just hacked my way through

Posted by: DAve at August 11, 2012 06:44 PM (b3RBA)

227 --I'm hoping a couple of Morons apologize for shitting the thread earlier today and kiss and make up (if not out). Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 10:43 PM (KaIAt) I tried to wear the zebra stripes but the kids are occasionally gonna scrap.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:44 PM (9TTOe)

228 @210 sorry Clemenza is Clemenza..

Posted by: Clemenza at August 11, 2012 06:45 PM (EhXOy)

229 Is this a joke: We can't go bankrupt because we have our own currency?

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 06:45 PM (E1X66)

230 222 PJM.The Tatler.

Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2012 06:45 PM (6o4Fb)

231 Clemenza's been drinking since his first bloody mary at 9 AM today, it appears

Posted by: Boulder Hobo, lord of the chartreuse longbow at August 11, 2012 06:46 PM (QTHTd)

232 Tammy! Also, I'm pretty sure I have a 99% heterosexual crush on Paul Ryan. Maybe 75%. Whatever. I'm liking this Mitch Rombley character more and more. Plus the white house will be 100% less SCOAMFy come next January. So, there's that.

Posted by: DC in Towson at August 11, 2012 06:46 PM (N/WI2)

233 Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 10:44 PM (SsG4J)


I see you Tammy Al'Thor. May you find shade and water.

I'm just waiting for my pony to make it back from the body shop. I was hoping for yesterday but it looks like maybe this Friday (I say with fingers crossed).

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:46 PM (yh0zB)

234 Have any of the pshrinks who claim to have evidence that conservatism is a form of brain damage given Saletan's column a good long look?

Usually an insane person has to shoot up a shopping mall or something before his diary get this kind of exposure.

Posted by: epobirs at August 11, 2012 06:47 PM (kcfmt)

235 230 Is this a joke: We can't go bankrupt because we have our own currency? Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 10:45 PM (E1X66) I didn't make that shit up. I copied it right from the fucktards Twiiter posts.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 11, 2012 06:47 PM (9TTOe)

236 GGE what happened to your 'stang?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 06:47 PM (y2dm+)

237 Is this a joke: We can't go bankrupt because we have our own currency?

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 10:45 PM



What did you expect, its a leftist. Knowledge of anything useful isn't a priority.

Posted by: Berserker at August 11, 2012 06:49 PM (FMbng)

238 So I guess I can photocopy a bunch of notes with my face on the front and a picture of a Boulder lavatory on the back, and if people quit thinking that my banknotes are hip and cool, then I can just print more. So I'll never go bankrupt.

That's Saletan's argument. GENIUS.

Posted by: Boulder Hobo, lord of the chartreuse longbow at August 11, 2012 06:49 PM (QTHTd)

239

Saletan wrote the reflexive "I will vote for Obama" as a coda to his little tune, so that his loyal Slate readers won't think he went off the reservation.

 

Indeed, he hopes that the Democrats will co-opt the Republican ideas and seem sensible and win the election. Because deep down he knows that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, and that a lot of the country is really pissed at Obama.  Of course, IT'S NOT MY FAULT! says Obama, he inherited the WORST ECONOMY EVER!  Because deep down it's really not about solving a problem, it is continuing to wield power for the Left, so that they can continue to talk about how they are going to make everything great.  Next year, or in 2015, or whenever.

 

Of course, the Obama drones are deep in their own cocoon, and while they might have read something bad about Obama and heard criticism of him on "Faux News", they know in their little hearts that he is doing a great job.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...free Miss Marple! at August 11, 2012 06:49 PM (sJTmU)

240 "IÂ’m voting for Obama. But four years from now? In a stronger economy,
with a runaway debt? And Ryan at the top of the ticket? ThatÂ’s awfully
tempting."


102 Obama is wrong on every fucking subject but voting against him is racist.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 11, 2012 10:13 PM

 

Yes. That's the message I read- "I know how tempting it is to vote R this year, but, you gotta vote for the dog chomper. It'd be racist to prevent him from chooming things up for another 4. It should be fine after that. Though another, slightly less historic, D candidate would give me pause. Like a strong, independent minded, sassy black woman who is trying to make it in a bowtie wearing white boy's world, like a fish out of water."

Posted by: otho at August 11, 2012 06:49 PM (MhaeW)

241 My salary was cut, my home foreclosed on, and 10 Mexican cartel members anally raped me outside a gun store in Arizona. Paul Ryan 2016 !!!!!

Posted by: William Saletan at August 11, 2012 06:50 PM (AzwZn)

242 William Saletan is a graduate of Robert Mugabe School of Economics. oh wait, so is Obama

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 06:50 PM (niyzp)

243 Is this a joke: We can't go bankrupt because we have our own currency?

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 10:45 PM (E1X66)

I didn't make that shit up. I copied it right from the fucktards Twiiter posts.

I've heard Dems say we can't go bankrupt because we can print money.

Posted by: joh at August 11, 2012 06:51 PM (HtUdo)

244 Is this a joke: We can't go bankrupt because we have our own currency?

No it is technically true, we can't literally go bankrupt because there is no power on the planet who can demand that we pay up.  We can just inflate away the currency or tell creditors to pound sand or both, neither of which indebted individuals of course can do.  Of course it's not a good idea.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 11, 2012 06:51 PM (d/5qf)

245 Is this a joke: We can't go bankrupt because we have our own currency?

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 10:45 PM (E1X66)


You don't have to go bankrupt when you print your own currency.  Bread might be $100,000.00 per loaf, but you aren't bankrupt.

Posted by: Hrothgar with improved RINO Tolerance at August 11, 2012 06:51 PM (Cnqmv)

246 GGE what happened to your 'stang?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 10:47 PM (y2dm+)


Toyota + inattentive driver + cellphone = http://tinyurl.com/9y69mrv

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:51 PM (yh0zB)

247 we can't literally go bankrupt because there is no power on the planet who can demand that we pay up

Excepting me. But I'm a stone bitch.

Posted by: Nemesis at August 11, 2012 06:52 PM (QTHTd)

248 230 Is this a joke: We can't go bankrupt because we have our own currency? Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 10:45 PM (E1X66) --Seriously. I have a FB friend who thinks we can just inflate our way out of the debt. (I think that's what Saletan means: being able to QE, apparently without our creditors' caring about it.)

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:52 PM (KaIAt)

249 Ok, now I remember you talking about that.  Still in the body and fender shop.  Bummer.  Looks on the bright side, at least it wasn't a deer on a cellphone.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 06:53 PM (y2dm+)

250 More to the point, the part of "Nemesis" will be played by some nation floating a competing and harder currency, and successfully defending itself from an American attempt to "restore democracy".

Posted by: Boulder Hobo, lord of the chartreuse longbow at August 11, 2012 06:53 PM (QTHTd)

251 DC!!!!  Have missed you! Mancrush on Ryan is most acceptable. Hope your ladies are well.


GGE, what happened to your pony car???

Clemenza Who Is Only Clemenza, I apologize for thinking you are anyone other than your own fine self. Go on and have you another drink, baby.

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 06:53 PM (SsG4J)

252 yes "technically"

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 06:53 PM (vyPsz)

253 97 Shirtless Paul Ryan vs. Shirtless Barky McMomJeans

Who wins? ---   America  

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 11, 2012 06:54 PM (HPQnO)

254

Romney was a genius picking Ryan. He knows that Obama can't win the budget, debt, entitlement argument by demagoguing it. Not this time. Every xer, millenial and hooby gooby out there knows they are paying into a system they will never see a dime out of. Boomers like me know we have paid in more than we will get back. It has to be fixed and nobody is better at explaining that than Paul Ryan.

 

 

Romney knew this so give him credit. Ryan will be the star but Romney made it happen.

Posted by: robtr at August 11, 2012 06:54 PM (MtwBb)

255 It seems a lot of progressive socialists think money is something any government can just print to cover their expenses.  I hate to see their personal debt load.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 06:54 PM (y2dm+)

256 GGE, linky no worky. Hope the stang gets well soon though. Clem, what the ever loving fuck? Sleep it off, cause this flaming of Miss T is not gonna end well.

Posted by: DC in Towson at August 11, 2012 06:54 PM (N/WI2)

257 Wait - he acknowledges that we are heading for fiscal collapse - a cliff - and ends by saying I'm voting for the guy that is doing his best to push us over the cliff?

Vote for Ryan in four years after another term of Obama...TOO LATE MORON!

(Moron in this case not being used in any way to reflect poorly on the posters to this site who are often referred to in the same way).

Posted by: Evan Maughan at August 11, 2012 06:55 PM (Jxyli)

258 Thank for sharing, Steevy. Or is it Scoopy? 📡

Posted by: Justamom at August 11, 2012 06:55 PM (waJ+2)

259

105 Just got called a racist on Kos.

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What's your secret identity over there?

i just had to start up my 5th

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 11, 2012 06:56 PM (HPQnO)

260 Quoting endeavor to persevere: "But after four years of SCOAMF, anybody that tells me (like slatern above) that they plan to vote, again, for barry. Well, unless they are his mother they are an idiot."

She's dead, and yes, she is voting for Barry...eight times.

Posted by: Mr_Write at August 11, 2012 06:56 PM (CLkAH)

261 #249

Do these people not realize that purposeful inflation is a form of theft by a government against its own people?


Good news: I have a million dollars in the bank!

Bad news: A big Mac is now $25.

Posted by: epobirs at August 11, 2012 06:56 PM (kcfmt)

262 But as per Slate contractual requirements he manages to mix in ignorance and hate of the Tea Party. And he's still voting SCOAMF.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 11, 2012 06:56 PM (ThQzX)

263 Looks on the bright side, at least it wasn't a deer on a cellphone.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 10:53 PM (y2dm+)



Now that's just silly. Everyone knows that deer can't drive!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:56 PM (yh0zB)

264 Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 10:52 PM (KaIAt)

Inflation always seems like it will be a controllable force for good. just a gentle increase in the cost of things matched by a similar increase in wages.  Problem is that both are exponential in nature and that kind of growth cannot be sustained.

Posted by: Hrothgar with improved RINO Tolerance at August 11, 2012 06:56 PM (Cnqmv)

265 Capitalism is magical? No, capitalism is incentives. It's human nature. Capitalism doesn't go around with Hope! and Change! on its lips. That's magical thinking. Silly Progressives.

Posted by: Amos at August 11, 2012 06:56 PM (XB+fY)

266 It seems a lot of progressive socialists think money is something any government can just print to cover their expenses. I hate to see their personal debt load. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 10:54 PM (y2dm+) --Oh, I'm sure they're in good shape. Libtards are *very* conscientious when it's *their* money.

Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2012 06:57 PM (KaIAt)

267 GGE, linky no worky. Hope the stang gets well soon though.

Clem, what the ever loving fuck? Sleep it off, cause this flaming of Miss T is not gonna end well.

Posted by: DC in Towson at August 11, 2012 10:54 PM (N/WI2)


stinky linky!  Try this one...


http://tinyurl.com/cxn2wbp

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 06:58 PM (yh0zB)

268 Liberalism is totally a mental disorder. I watched so many businesses fail when carter was president, and I saw a lot of them get restarted or rebuilt and actually succeed when that useless prick was voted out and Reagan took control. I saw a homeless kid, who I convinced a house painter to give a job to actually start his own frigging business and changed his life around in a few short years. I saw everything start booming, and yet..and yet, these fucking libs still say Reagan's policies were a failure.

They are retards..fucking clueless retards.

Posted by: Berserker at August 11, 2012 06:59 PM (FMbng)

269 Why thank you for your chivalry, DC! 


GGE, I couldn't get the link to work, but........sounds ouchy, to say the least.

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 06:59 PM (SsG4J)

270 The My Little Pony of Democrats - Money is Magic.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 06:59 PM (y2dm+)

271 GGE, looks like it should have been injury free. Stuff can be fixed. That is was a fine looking vee-hickle.

Posted by: DC in Towson at August 11, 2012 07:01 PM (N/WI2)

272 Inflation is a tax that bypasses Congress. But at least it's flat?

Posted by: Justamom at August 11, 2012 07:02 PM (waJ+2)

273 Oh wait, my mistake. It was SONAR weapons that were fucking with the mermaid navigation systems, like the whales, not the ELF transmitters. I stand corrected.

I'm still disappointed I never got invited to join any conspiracies, though.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 07:02 PM (yh0zB)

274 #72: He strikes me as an Edgar Rice Burroughs character.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 11, 2012 07:02 PM (3yCFy)

275  IF B0 wins and Saletan is 'voting' four years after that he will be voting for Putin.

Posted by: redgrains at August 11, 2012 07:03 PM (TExGL)

276 GGE, it is painful to see that beauty in such a condition.

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at August 11, 2012 07:03 PM (SsG4J)

277 Oh, ONT up. See y'all there.

Posted by: DC in Towson at August 11, 2012 07:03 PM (N/WI2)

278 Tammy, try the new link. DC, yeah the impact speed was 10mph or less (she had just left a stop sign) so it's all cosmetic, no underlying frame damage. Still over 4K in damages though. Good thing, no one got hurt and yes it can be (and is being) fixed.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at August 11, 2012 07:04 PM (yh0zB)

279 #274

The most effective conspiracies are those in which most of the participants are unaware of the larger organization or goals. You cannot betray a trust you are unaware of having.

Welcome to the club. Your membership credentials can be found in the mirror.

Posted by: epobirs at August 11, 2012 07:04 PM (kcfmt)

280 I wonder if MilkyGlutes is struggling trying to keep both hands on the key board to write his hit piece on Paul Ryan for this week as he looks at Ryan's Hotness...

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 11, 2012 07:05 PM (ovpNn)

281 Saletan: Stupid Greeks. All they need to do is go back to the drakma and print up as money as they need. Problem solved.

Posted by: soothie at August 11, 2012 07:05 PM (xIzGn)

282 Saletan separates the state of the economy from the debt crisis.  There is correlation, but he is correct that they aren't exactly linked hand in hand.  So he's waiting for that magical moment where the timing is right.  The problem is that the economy can improve in the short term, and people can be fooled into thinking there is nothing but gumdrops and lollipops ahead. Nobody thinks longterm until circumstances force them to.

And that's why what Saletan is looking for isn't realistic.  The political climate won't be tolerant of this type of reform in a better economic climate.   That's when we get that "bi-partisan compromise" that the pundits mistakenly applaud as progress, because there is money to spend and people agree where to spend it.  No, we have to win this now, and we need to people to donate to this campaign to fend off Mediscare attacks that we will soon be barraged with.  Romney just stepped it up, he just turned this up to 11, and we need to respond accordingly.  I was very skeptical of him, but I don't see where he takes this step unless he is serious, and we need to have his back.

It's huge that we win this now, or we won't win until we have a complete and utter Greek style disaster, and by then it will take generations to recover.

Posted by: Dave S. at August 11, 2012 07:06 PM (UvR6d)

283 Paul Ryan Naked knees:

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/asm21/news/Honadel_Ryan.jpg

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 11, 2012 07:08 PM (ovpNn)

284

274 Oh wait, my mistake. It was SONAR weapons that were fucking with the mermaid navigation systems, like the whales, not the ELF transmitters. I stand corrected.

---

Shit, we have Elves too? on AM or FM?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 11, 2012 07:08 PM (HPQnO)

285 That is a true shame GGE, you got a 07/08 GT/CS convertible.  The CS are neat cars.  Basically a body kit, but the scoops and other tweaks make that 4.6L look special.

Hope it gets out soon.  I had for 18 months a blue 07 GT/CS.  Put like 35k miles on it.  It was too fun not to drive.  Still got a decent trade in on it when I bought the 08 GT500, which after 4.5 years has only reached 32k miles.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 11, 2012 07:09 PM (y2dm+)

286 Ryan is a real fiscal conservative. He isnÂ’t just another Tea-Party ideologue spouting dogma about less government and the magic of free enterprise. First of all, Billy, fuck you. Second, fuck you. Third of all, you said the spending is unsustainable, we're heading for a collapse, but you're going to vote for Obama anyway. So, as you might have figured out by now, fuck you. Yeah, we hate liberals. Because they're fucking insane.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 11, 2012 07:13 PM (bxiXv)

287 And I'll add, where Romney needs to start is with what he brought up dozens of times in primary debates....that Obama already raided Medicare to fund Obamacare.  I wondered what his intentions were with that in a primary debate, but in choosing Ryan I feel safe in assuming good intentions.  We need to donate money to Romney to run ads reminding low information voters of this important fact now.  We need them to jump on this and get Obama on the defense on this issue, and I donated and emailed a note asking for this today. 

Not that I am a political wizard here, but this is a no brainer.  And if Romney can't pull an ad campign off now, then Rove needs to.  Obama isn't doing a goddamn thing to protect Medicare long term, and we shouldn't cede that ground. 

I'm drunk and I'm fired up tonight!

Posted by: Dave S. at August 11, 2012 07:13 PM (UvR6d)

288

 i]So if you know sticking your finger in an electrical outlet is going to electrocute you, why the f*ck are you going to douse your hand with water and then do it anyway?

 

Finger in electrical outlet? Saletan is dick in light socket stupid. After delineating all the reasons that Jugears needs to be turned out of office, he concludes by saying he'll vote for him. WTF?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 11, 2012 07:17 PM (oX7vY)

289 I think maybe Saletan wanted to let his idiot libtard friends know that Romney/Ryan is better for America.  How can you write those things and still vote for Obama.  I bet he actually votes for Romney he just can't say that to the people he hangs out with.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 11, 2012 07:30 PM (61yvg)

290 Yeah, I wonder why he says he's going to vote for O, after outlining all the reasons why O sucks.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 11, 2012 07:38 PM (i0App)

291 If I donÂ’t have this done in three years, then thereÂ’s going to be a one-term proposition Challenge accepted.

Posted by: toby928© at August 11, 2012 07:40 PM (QupBk)

292 72 Ryan is not a Grisham Character. he is a politico who voted Tarp and Dream act or Nightmare if your a conservative..

He voted for TARP and against the DREAM Act.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby has not yet read all the comments at August 11, 2012 07:41 PM (YjDyJ)

293 Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy.

You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Posted by: Neo at August 11, 2012 07:44 PM (e8kgV)

294 He had to say he was voiding for obama. You've witnessed how they eat their own. He didn't want them coming after him.

Posted by: Dave at August 11, 2012 08:18 PM (Q75vX)

295 WE never went broke---okay, sort of, but not broke-broke

Posted by: Weimar Germany at August 11, 2012 08:50 PM (Dll6b)

296 wanna see my trillion mark  notes ???    Pull my finger...........

Posted by: Weimar Germany at August 11, 2012 08:52 PM (Dll6b)

297 IÂ’m voting for Obama. Gee, Ryan's great, but I'm dumber than a box of rocks. Jeeezzz.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 11, 2012 08:52 PM (m05JR)

298 oh wow, are the dems sarcastically tearing apart Janna Little Ryan...for being a stay at home mom and going to Wellsley and GW law school??? Sheesh, I saw that she was a tax attorney and thought that was great as he has a wife with a brain to help him think through these complex economic ideas along with ideas towards tax reform and entitlement reform. That's great. Plus she's been a lobbyist, a DC lawyer and she worked for a dem! She's a perfect addition to the romney team.....and the dems are terrified of her, so terrified they've already begun tearing her apart.....

Posted by: , at August 11, 2012 09:23 PM (oZfic)

299 Was so excited about the dems already attacking Janna that I forgot to include the link: http://tinyurl.com/cljs8ju "In short time Paul RyanÂ’s wife turned to a favorite activity of Republican wives everywhere: child bearing. The couple now have three children. " ooooo nasty and jealous....ooooo so catty so catty.... and here's the "buzzfeed" link:http://tinyurl.com/dysyyef

Posted by: , at August 11, 2012 09:29 PM (oZfic)

300 oh and another thing. Heard Ryan's dad dies when he was 16. I'm thinking that his family must have collected Social Security if his mom didn't have a career. Wonder if they did and if he will bring this out?

Posted by: , at August 11, 2012 09:36 PM (oZfic)

301 Posted by: , at August 12, 2012 01:36 AM (oZfic) Does falling down the stairs a lot hurt? Just wondering.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 11, 2012 10:00 PM (m05JR)

302 302 Posted by: , at August 12, 2012 01:36 AM (oZfic) Does falling down the stairs a lot hurt? Just wondering..... Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at August 12, 2012 02:00 AM (m05JR) What the heck is that supposed to mean? Are you threatening me?

Posted by: , at August 11, 2012 10:06 PM (oZfic)

303 Are you threatening me?

Posted by: Cornholio at August 11, 2012 10:12 PM (DBVUt)

304

Consider this from RobertÂ’s brilliant ObamaCare decision: Any demand for money from the government is a tax.  Government demands for money are taxes.  This is a powerful tool if given to a skilled fighter. We will win on taxes or lose on taxes. Our ideas are correct and Ryan is a skilled fighter.

Posted by: Dane County, Wisconsin at August 11, 2012 10:13 PM (VqzYX)

305

Why is this a powerful tool?  The power is in the binary response to a demand for money. Yes or No.  Freedom means the human right to say “NO” to a government demand.

Posted by: Dane County, Wisconsin at August 11, 2012 10:27 PM (VqzYX)

306

Which raises the question: How free do we want to be.

Posted by: Dane County, Wisconsin at August 11, 2012 10:29 PM (VqzYX)

307 Like everyone here, I'm mystified.


Why the hell does Saletan want another FOUR YEARS of "Old and Busted" Obama - Biden, and THEN vote to clean up the mess, when he could vote for a conservative, will take an actual serious stab at solving the problem (instead of the usual Democrat blow smoke up voters asses with utter bullshit promises) approach and vote for actual change NOW!!


I'll have "Non sequitur" for $400, Alex . . . . . . . <buzzz>

Posted by: dissent555 at August 11, 2012 10:48 PM (yR6A1)

308

The insights of the ever on target: wbboei (go find the source computer search masters.)

 

Up to now, the Obama campaign has managed to divert attention from the economy, and Romney has mounted a less than aggressive response, and his staff have shown a remarkable ability to fumble the ball. Ryan will drag that fucking Obama and Crazy Joe Gallo Biden and their big media whores onto a playing field where he alone is the master. The strategy the media will deploy against him is the same strategy an attorney uses when cross examining an expert witness. They will engage in a collateral attack rather than confront him directly on his opinions. And they will cast doubt on any solution he offers as inimical to widows and orphans. This is why he must destroy mainstream media. Hillary did a good job of it, but there were too many of them, conspiring against her. The American People MUST understand that big media is not on their side.

Posted by: Dane County, Wisconsin at August 11, 2012 11:02 PM (VqzYX)

309 This guy is an even bigger fool for recognizing the problem but continuing to vote for the people who have caused it.

Posted by: R. Waher at August 12, 2012 02:30 AM (4FP+P)

310 I'm amazed it took till comment #2 for one of us to hit the "stupid nail" from this piece square on the head. It being such a lazy little waist high two hopper and all.

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 12, 2012 02:55 AM (U7Ivf)

311 the man is a certified moron. He just put forward why the country is going to Hell in a hand--basket and then says he is voting for the very same clown that helped more than any other to make the situation worse.

Posted by: edward cropper at August 12, 2012 04:10 AM (Lt3vg)

312 Four more years of Barack HUSSEIN Obama and there will be no country remaining to save. This guy is shredding the constitution and decimating the economny. INTENTIONALLY! Note to SALETAN: you've got to read what you wrote and take off the blinders. You appear to be just another brainwashed Obot.

Posted by: clafoutis at August 12, 2012 04:31 AM (2prgN)

313 As u guys know, I am liberal, but I also understand the principle of borrowing and spending too much.  Sure our government is way to big and powerful, but where u Republicans lose people like me is 1) your nastiness 2) your immoral foreign policy of killing brown people all around the world to secure cheap oil, bananas and coffee 3) your support of the rich and powerful who buy the politicians and tilt the rules in their favor ... im sure there is more but those are some of the main things...    most liberals and republicans agree on more than u guys will ever acknowledge because your hatred and anger biases your minds

Posted by: walter at August 12, 2012 04:43 AM (7wWIO)

314 Posted by: walter Projection is not just a river in Egypt.

Posted by: toby928© at August 12, 2012 05:20 AM (QupBk)

315 Saletan (and walter). Admitting the inevitable conclusion that without the right, the left would starve.

Posted by: BuddyPC at August 12, 2012 05:35 AM (JjjnQ)

316 Shorter Saletan (which dovetails with most Leftists I personally know): Yeah, this all ain't working and can't last, but at least I'll get mine.

Posted by: BuddyPC at August 12, 2012 05:47 AM (JjjnQ)

317 "IÂ’m voting for Obama. But four years from now? In a stronger economy, with a runaway debt? And Ryan at the top of the ticket? ThatÂ’s awfully tempting."

And four years from now, after the second Obama term has wrecked the economy, Europe is collapsing, Iran has the bomb and is threatening to nuke Tel Aviv, and your colleagues in the Fourth Estate have given Ryan the full Palin treatment: what will you do then?

Fucking fool.

Posted by: Brown Line at August 12, 2012 06:01 AM (Znpww)

318 "Tea party ideologue spouting nonsense about the magic of the free market"

Just because you couldn't pass an econ 101 test if your life depended on it doesn't mean our view of economics is based on superstition.

Posted by: Ben(the original) at August 12, 2012 12:17 PM (r9O4T)

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