December 26, 2012

DC Police "Investigating" David Gregory's Gun-Crazed Lawbreaking
— Ace

As you know (it's mentioned down-blog), Gregory waved around a high-capacity magazine -- illegal in DC -- in a segment on his show demanding to know why we didn't have laws against high-capacity magazines.

He sought permission to brandish the horrible illegal contraband-- and was refused a permit for it.

A channel 8 news reporter is claiming that NBC was denied permission by the MPD to use a high capacity magazine as a prop on a Sunday news show that was grandstanding on the gun control issue. Gregory and NBC went on the air with the high capacity mag anyway, disregarding the law and disregarding the orders from the police.

But he did it anyway.

As I was just saying: Before we pass any new laws we should have a national discussion about whether all these laws are actually aimed at actions, or if they are are simply aimed at harassing those the Media-Government Establishment have decided are of lesser status.

David Gregory previously scoffed at Wayne LaPierre's suggestion that schools should have armed guards -- asking him if that suggestion was merely a "dodge." But Gregory's kids, of course, go to a school in which they are protected by armed guards.

Certain people just seem to have more rights, and lives more worthy of defending, eh?


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1 Media celebrities aren't like us.  They don't have to follow the laws. 

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 08:27 AM (Hx5uv)

2 This is getting delicious. What's that Mr. Gregory, you didn't notice that petard upon which you hoisted yourself? Tough shit. Careful not to drop the soap, its slippery.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 26, 2012 08:27 AM (t06LC)

3 Are gun control laws really racist? I've seen articles claiming exactly that. There is some merit to them, if the statistics are to be believed.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 26, 2012 08:27 AM (i2Lsf)

4 if the statistics are to be believed. I think I see the problem right there...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 26, 2012 08:28 AM (GBXon)

5 Why, that is willful disregard of the Laws of the Land.  There oughta be a law...

Posted by: huerfano at December 26, 2012 08:28 AM (bAGA/)

6 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 08:29 AM (/eBe8)

7 I propose passing a law forbidding laws to be broken.  *tilts chin up*

Posted by: Barky O'Fuckstick, Jug-Eared Wonder of the Realm at December 26, 2012 08:29 AM (U/vy2)

8 So there is someone you can ask if you can break the law?  Can I get that 1-800 number?

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at December 26, 2012 08:30 AM (bj+Nc)

9 I am the Law!

Posted by: Dread Media at December 26, 2012 08:30 AM (3lMuc)

10 But I don't understand.
Those high-cap magazines are ILLEGAL in Washington.
So how was he able to get one?

Doesn't make sense.

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 08:31 AM (PwGfd)

11 Gee, people sure have no problem ignoring gun laws if they really want to. Clearly, we need more.

Posted by: El Kabong at December 26, 2012 08:31 AM (NAGOz)

12 Are gun control laws really racist? I've seen articles claiming exactly that. There is some merit to them, if the statistics are to be believed.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 26, 2012 12:27 PM (i2Lsf)

 

Seeing as the south once prohibited certain persons from owning weapons, there is some truth to the saying "An armed man is a citizen, a disarmed man a slave."

I'll wager most men frisked for weapons in New York, D.C., and Chicago are african american, so yes, the media and Michael Bloomberg are flaming neo-nazi racists.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 26, 2012 08:31 AM (t06LC)

13 So he seriously went on TV and said, "Why is it that this thing I have in my hand illegally not illegal?"

Yeah, no.  It's not about guns.  It's never been about guns.  It's about the 4th Estate/Fifth Column trying to disarm the populace and force them into compliance.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 08:31 AM (/eBe8)

14 Gregory's defense is a corollary to the 'Researching Child Porn' defense. Why did Gregory need a prop? Why not just use a stock photograph? Is he the journalistic equivalent to Carrot Top? Did he think the audience or his guest was 2dum to no what a 30 round clip looked like? _

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 26, 2012 08:31 AM (RuUvx)

15 You know, I seem to recall that there are laws against murderating people.   That sure doesn't seem to have eliminated murder.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at December 26, 2012 08:31 AM (Gk3SS)

16 Didn't the marxists banter on about "frog-walking" conservatives a few years back? Yes, I wan't to see David Gregory frog-walked on national TV!

Posted by: WVinMN at December 26, 2012 08:31 AM (4Pleu)

17

Well, I was thinking about getting an AR, but then I remembered that AR's are very expensive and finicky.

 

So I am looking to get an AK-47 instead.

 

Anyone know where I can get a cheap .308 Saiga, preferably converted to AK with eeevil pistol grip?

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 08:32 AM (TULs6)

18 If you like your assault magazines and you're a media celebrity, you can keep your assault magazines.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 08:32 AM (Hx5uv)

19 So he's one of those wild-eyed, gun-totin', sister-humpin', beer-swillin' white boys? Ya just never know...

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 26, 2012 08:32 AM (CWlPF)

20

Expect Gregory to claim that was just a cardboard prop or something.

Because he's not biased, he just wanted to show people how scary those magazines look.

Next up, a ban on Halloween masks (also scary, sometimes used in robberies.)

Posted by: tsrblke at December 26, 2012 08:32 AM (GaqMa)

21 Allz I want for Christmas is a David Gregory perp walk.

Posted by: eleven at December 26, 2012 08:32 AM (KXm42)

22 #17
If you can wait 8 months, you'll find the gun you want actually IN STOCK, and about 40% cheaper than the current "Obama gun panic 2" overinflated prices.

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 08:33 AM (PwGfd)

23 Let's eliminate ALL of the laws. Then, voila, we won't have any crime!!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 26, 2012 08:34 AM (3lMuc)

24 also, this: Wouldn't a nice high profile arrest/imprisonment on a seemingly trivial charge of Someone Prominent do that most sacred of liberal things: Send A Message. I mean, David Gregory spending a year in prison cooling his heels would certainly do A Lot to send A Message about How Seriously we - As A Society - take our gun laws. (random capitalization intended) _

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 26, 2012 08:34 AM (RuUvx)

25 It is kind of funny how we supposedly tossed the royals out of the land, only to wind up with another "noble" class, all of our own making.


Funny in a disbelieving I-cannot-believe-this-crap kind of way. -.-

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 26, 2012 08:34 AM (U/vy2)

26 22 #17 If you can wait 8 months, you'll find the gun you want actually IN STOCK, and about 40% cheaper than the current "Obama gun panic 2" overinflated prices. Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 12:33 PM (PwGfd) Assuming they haven't been banned by then.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 26, 2012 08:34 AM (CWlPF)

27 Thread vanished?

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 08:34 AM (PwGfd)

28 Are gun control laws really racist? I've seen articles claiming exactly that. There is some merit to them, if the statistics are to be believed.

Probably, actually.  That's certainly how they started, and when you look at where the strict gun-control laws are, the disproportionate majority of victims are minorities.

Of course, if you're going to rely on "statistics" instead of good, old-fashioned common sense, laws against murder and theft are racist, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 08:35 AM (/eBe8)

29 or if they are are simply aimed at harassing those the Media-Government Establishment have decided are of lesser status.

____________________________

Yup.  It's not a whole lot more than playing "capture the flag" with one of our totems (as they see guns).  "Raising taxes on the top 1%" is another.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at December 26, 2012 08:35 AM (Nfpnr)

30 >>>Certain people just seem to have more rights, and lives more worthy

Yes, but not the meatballs who get stomped.

Posted by: Fritz at December 26, 2012 08:36 AM (/ZZCn)

31 Jay in Ames wrote "Are gun control laws really racist? I've seen articles claiming exactly that. There is some merit to them, if the statistics are to be believed." Many of the curent gun laws were instituded to keep blacks from having guns. It was true in many "may issue" states that gun purchase and carry permits to carry were only given to persons the local officials deemed "worthy" even after the blantant descrimaination clauses were removed from the laws. Theses days "may issue" still restricts permits to persons in good standing with the officials. In some states like Alabama very few are refused permits expect for real reasons, i.e. felons, etc. but in places like LA and San Fransico only the political elite and rich can get permits.

Posted by: Fredlike at December 26, 2012 08:36 AM (ztMxN)

32 In one of my lives, I work at a tv station. And my job entails handling "props" among other things.

Here's how it goes down at my station: either a producer or talent- more likely a producer- decides to use a prop. They typically procure the prop- whatever it is- then hand it to whoever is in the studio, who hands it to the talent. It is a blatant violation of union rules for an anchor or reporter to just show up with a prop. There will be a dreaded "grievance" if that happens.

The point I'm attempting to make is that Gregory did not do this himself; it was probably generated by his producer. Gregory might have not known that he didn't have permission to have this- it was just noted at for X story he had X prop, which was handed to him, as per the crew.

Posted by: shibumi at December 26, 2012 08:36 AM (z63Tr)

33 Well, I know the AR's are through the roof, but I don't know if AK prices are inflated right now. Problem is, these Saiga AK's have been getting more and more expensive over the last 5-10 years. Another year might just be another $100 rather than less. They're going for about $400-650 right now, unconverted (but the $650 ones some have a thumb-hole stock with forward trigger, but I hear those are actually harder to fully convert despite looking easier).

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 08:37 AM (TULs6)

34 How would liberals feel if that 'Assault Magazine' were to malfunction, and "accidentally" kill 30 people?

I'll bet he has a huge stash of dangerous gun parts at his home; pistol grips, collapsible stocks, and flash hiders that could go off at any minute!!!

The man is obviously psychotic!  He's a danger to the community!

Posted by: gastorgrab at December 26, 2012 08:37 AM (FX38i)

35 wtf

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 08:37 AM (TULs6)

36 I can't win for nothin. I get cocky for being 4th in the last post only to find it deserted for this one. Life sucks! Where is the fairness? Just a bunch of insiders elitists trying to keep me down. Attica! Attiça! Attica!

Posted by: Guido at December 26, 2012 08:39 AM (XLuH2)

37

 I am the Law!

 

What the dread media meant to say is "I am above the law".

 

What the people are beginning to understand is that everyone in Washington believes they are above the law.  Lawless, in fact.

 

 

Posted by: Decaf at December 26, 2012 08:42 AM (TJQ3a)

38

This just shows how stupid and illogical gun control law can become.  Haven't we seen enough examples of anti-gun extremism in our schools, especially if little Johnny draws a gun on paper?

 

This awaits us if we don't put our foot down and make a stand.  I read an article in American Thinker that state that gun control isn't really gun control.  It's just control.

 

 

Posted by: Soona at December 26, 2012 08:42 AM (yCeIL)

39 Wher am I?

Posted by: dogfish at December 26, 2012 08:45 AM (RvZ2t)

40 Where am I?

Posted by: dogfish at December 26, 2012 08:45 AM (RvZ2t)

41 ...and it rematerializes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 26, 2012 08:52 AM (GBXon)

42 ACE IS BACK!!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 26, 2012 08:52 AM (6Uliu)

43 Is it safe yet?

Posted by: Soona at December 26, 2012 08:52 AM (yCeIL)

44 Gregory will "resign" for 5 minutes.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 08:53 AM (HDgX3)

45 Wasn't Gregory's wife at Fannie/Freddie when the shithouse went up in flames 4 years ago? There's your investigation. Meh, who am I kidding?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 08:53 AM (XkWWK)

46 He sought permission to brandish the horrible illegal contraband-- and was refused a permit for it. --- Should make it easier for the DC police to determine through their investigation that he did, in fact, display a real one. They'll still give him a slap on the wrist at best, though, such as community service hours espousing the District's gun control BS.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 26, 2012 08:54 AM (e0xKF)

47 Did he think the audience or his guest was 2dum to no what a 30 round clip looked like?

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 26, 2012 12:31 PM (RuUvx)


____________________________


His audience is 80-90% liberals from NY/DC. So yeah I think the answer is an unqualified YES.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 08:54 AM (HDgX3)

48 OT-ish: What is the difference between a clip and a magazine?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 08:55 AM (XkWWK)

49 Too bad the LaPierre wasn't quick-witted enough to say: "Well David, you have accidentally made my point for me. It is illegal, where we sit, for you to even have that clip in your hand. But that law didn't much stop you, did it - and all YOU wanted it for was a silly demonstration in a gotcha moment. Imagine how it would also not stop someone who wanted it for a more consequential purpose." Would have been the video clip of the year. Alas, our side is never clever enough when it counts.

Posted by: ChampionCapua at December 26, 2012 08:55 AM (KZi9D)

50 Fun fact: David Gregory sends his kids to the same school as Obama's kids. The same school that has 11 armed guards IN ADDITION TO OBAMA'S SECRET SERVICE armed guards.

But don't you dare suggest public schools should have armed guards. That's just right wing crazy talk.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 08:55 AM (HDgX3)

51 43 Is it safe yet? Posted by: Soona at December 26, 2012 12:52 PM (yCeIL) Oil of cloves...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 08:56 AM (XkWWK)

52

A Republic is based on the Ideal of Equal Application of the Law...

 

But some Pigs are more Equal, than others...

 

Peseants....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 26, 2012 08:56 AM (lZBBB)

53 Tim Russet would have never pulled a stunt like this. Poor David, I want to see the mugshot. BTW does anyone have Sam Donaldson's mugshot yet?

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs at December 26, 2012 08:57 AM (dggI7)

54 What are you talking about Ace?  I love the Little People. 

Posted by: David Gregory (J) for Journalist at December 26, 2012 08:57 AM (QKKT0)

55 Gregory might have not known that he didn't have permission to have this- it was just noted at for X story he had X prop, which was handed to him, as per the crew.
Posted by: shibumi

Ignorance of the law is what again? Oh yeah, not an excuse.

I know it won't happen but I hope that Gergory gets thrown in jail and passed around like a party favor.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 26, 2012 08:57 AM (A/I9N)

56 Alas, our side is never clever enough when it counts. Posted by: ChampionCapua at December 26, 2012 12:55 PM (KZi9D) That's because our leaders are chosen by some kind of polite seniority. We should have let greg Gutfeld or Ted Nugent give that speech and reply to the idiocy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 08:58 AM (3Y7RV)

57 It would be nice if people like LaPierre had the info about the armed guards at Gregory's kids' school, as well as the apparent illegality of the magazine, before he appeared on the show. Slapping these assclowns down live on the air would be much more effective than these after-the-fact criticisms.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 26, 2012 08:58 AM (PUuQq)

58 52 A Republic is based on the Ideal of Equal Application of the Law... But some Pigs are more Equal, than others... Peseants.... Posted by: Romeo13 at December 26, 2012 12:56 PM (lZBBB) That ship fucking sailed with Columbus.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 08:58 AM (XkWWK)

59 All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 08:58 AM (TkFJS)

60 Advocates of banning magazines above a certain capacity ask who needs them. Putting aside that we tread on dangerous ground when we put any Constitutional right to a test of need (for example, who really needs to trample on the American flag?), the burden of proof is that the cost of such a ban will be justified by improving public safety. In an era of trillion dollar federal deficits, this raises a question of best use of finite government resources. If history is any guide, few people who already own any of the estimated 100 million such magazines in private hands can be expected to turn them in. Aren't we better off allocating our money to improve school safety rather than fund a war on newly-outlawed firearm accessories? I would remind people that while we are now having a "national conversation" on firearms regulations, we have yet to have a similar conversation about what changes we must make to the treatment of citizens with mental health issues, not to mention how we are going to fund any changes that we decide to make.

Posted by: theBuckWheat at December 26, 2012 08:59 AM (hBb5u)

61 David Gregory of the Criss Angel of fatuous assholes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 26, 2012 08:59 AM (QKKT0)

62 Can't wait for Congress to get back so we can get back to arguing about how much of our time, our efforts and our money we should spend trying to save people who couldn't care less about us.

You know, "Peace on Earth, goodwill toward men and pay me bitch, 'cause you owe me."

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 26, 2012 08:59 AM (imtbm)

63 Mark Steyn, subbing for Limbaugh, is discussing guns now.

Posted by: USA at December 26, 2012 08:59 AM (RIg+t)

64

Did he think the audience or his guest was 2dum to no what a 30 round clip looked like?

 

---------------------------------------------------

 

 

They just watch the movies.  And in the movies guns never run out of ammo.  They just keep shooting and shooting, like Arnold Schwarzeneger in "The Temple of Doom".

Posted by: Low-info Voter at December 26, 2012 09:00 AM (yCeIL)

65 57 It would be nice if people like LaPierre had the info about the armed guards at Gregory's kids' school, as well as the apparent illegality of the magazine, before he appeared on the show. Slapping these assclowns down live on the air would be much more effective than these after-the-fact criticisms.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 26, 2012 12:58 PM (PUuQq)


_____________________________________


It's as if Hannity coaches the likes of LaPierre, Boehner etc. The same 2 or 3 talking points repeated ad infinitum.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 09:00 AM (HDgX3)

66 David Gregory cameo in "Naked Gun MSM".

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 26, 2012 09:00 AM (AWmfW)

67 Those high-cap magazines are ILLEGAL in Washington.
So how was he able to get one?


Don't ask, don't tell.

Posted by: armed guard at Sidwell Friends School at December 26, 2012 09:00 AM (z9HTb)

68 They just watch the movies. And in the movies guns never run out of ammo. They just keep shooting and shooting, like Arnold Schwarzeneger in "The Temple of Doom". --- I love that image of the "gun identification for the media", where everything is an AK-47 except an AK-47, which is an M-16.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 26, 2012 09:00 AM (e0xKF)

69 I seem to remember Obama getting a lot of mileage from his line about making everyone play by the same rules. The Inner Party has different rules, of course, under Ingsoc.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 26, 2012 09:01 AM (Lxw+T)

70 The Ewok is IN

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 09:01 AM (c2oll)

71

Posted by: shibumi at December 26, 2012 12:36 PM (z63Tr)

 

Except that Gregory was arguing that is SHOULD be illegal... and knew that in some places they were illegal.... or is it your contention that Gregory is an idiot who really does not know squat about Gun Laws?

 

Annnddddd... as teh IRS will tell you... repeatedly... Ignorance of the Law is no Defense.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 26, 2012 09:01 AM (lZBBB)

72 57 Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 26, 2012 12:58 PM (PUuQq) People on our side are not as mercenary as the left, and I guess it is high time that everyone, whether or not they are in politics, start to think and act this way. The left's positions fail in the arena of ideas when open for honest debate. But we have a media that is openly and vocally against us. We cannot knowingly walk into their arena unprepared for this shit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 09:01 AM (XkWWK)

73 How much money can AOS scrape up to buy current TV, Come on ace, I got 100K to start with, all us rons morgage all our shit, start a smart, military station, we would be very successful.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 09:01 AM (3Y7RV)

74 57 It would be nice if people like LaPierre had the info about the armed guards at Gregory's kids' school, as well as the apparent illegality of the magazine, before he appeared on the show. Slapping these assclowns down live on the air would be much more effective than these after-the-fact criticisms.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 26, 2012 12:58 PM (PUuQq)


NRA has the money to follow up on this. If they're smart..

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 26, 2012 09:02 AM (AWmfW)

75 >>>Certain people just seem to have more rights, and lives more worthy


All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others


There's no way in Hell Rosie O'Donnel is more equal than me.  I don't care how many chickenheads like to follow her.

Posted by: eleven at December 26, 2012 09:02 AM (KXm42)

76 How dare you question the actions of your media betters?  Everything they do is for your own good, and for The Chiiiiiiildren™!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:02 AM (R/Baw)

77 Just so long as they don't outlaw high capacity quivers ... for the longbow. Longbow. _

Posted by: Designated AoSHQ Meme Beater at December 26, 2012 09:03 AM (RuUvx)

78 It would be nice if people like LaPierre had the info about the armed guards at Gregory's kids' school, as well as the apparent illegality of the magazine, before he appeared on the show.

Never agree to do a media interview until the other side has been thoroughly investigated.

The AR mag was obviously an ambush, but his kids going to a school with armed guards could have been know ahead of time.

The studio probably has armed guards as well.

"So David, why is it you think you warrant armed security and other people's children don't?  Can you explain this to the viewers?"

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 09:04 AM (TkFJS)

79 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction.

Posted by: Agnes Day at December 26, 2012 09:04 AM (scOyJ)

80 Can we deport Gregory after Piers?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 09:04 AM (HDgX3)

81 ACe is like CURLY with the couch spring stuck to his ASS.

Posted by: elevenwing plover at December 26, 2012 09:04 AM (KXm42)

82
Look, everyone knows David was just trying to make a valid point, one that can't sink in to people who aren't as great as he is, and obviously, you are too stupid to get it.

David gets it, that's why he's allowed to not have to live by any set law or rules.

It's for this reason that there need to be separate laws for professors and our news providers, it's because they are at the front lines in protecting us, and creating the kinds of legislation that will control the people!

HEIL HITLER!

I would not be surprised at all if at the end of Dumbfuck's reign we have a totalitarian surveillance state...we're going that way.

Leftists suck shit.

Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at December 26, 2012 09:04 AM (ApGOC)

83 Just so long as they don't outlaw high capacity quivers ... for the longbow.

Longbow.
_

Posted by: Designated AoSHQ Meme Beater at December 26, 2012 01:03 PM (RuUvx)

 

 

That doesn't bother me. Now if they start limiting the sale of crossbow bolts, that will be a bridge too far!  (Let the flamewar now commence!)

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:04 AM (R/Baw)

84 Conservatives should saunter around DC with magazines dangling from necklaces in support of Gregory's "right to bear fake arms"! 

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 09:04 AM (71LDo)

85 I would not be surprised at all if at the end of Dumbfuck's reign we have a totalitarian surveillance state...we're going that way.


Read my book.

Posted by: Friederich Hayek at December 26, 2012 09:05 AM (QKKT0)

86 Conservatives should saunter around DC with magazines dangling from necklaces in support of Gregory's "right to bear fake arms"!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 01:04 PM (71LDo)

 

 

Magazines like Newsweek?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:06 AM (R/Baw)

87 Speak about chickenheads and Agnes shows up.

I am chickenhead whisperer!

Posted by: eleven at December 26, 2012 09:06 AM (KXm42)

88 It will not be good to have to tell your cell-mate that you're in for "waving an empty magazine".  Might as well have all the bullets in it.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 09:06 AM (71LDo)

89 Before we pass any new laws we should have a national discussion about whether all these laws are actually aimed at actions......

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Ever notice when liberals say this..... it really means "sit down, shutup, and take the hectoring Im about to give you." ??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2012 09:06 AM (nELVU)

90

80 -

 

To where would we deport him?  I think Fire Island is still part of the U.S. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2012 09:06 AM (TOk1P)

91 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction.


Fuck him. He broke the law he claims he wants to be in place, or even stricter.

Posted by: fluffy at December 26, 2012 09:06 AM (z9HTb)

92

As idiotic as the DC law is, it's clear that Messr. Gregory broke it, and should bear the full consequences for doing so.  I doubt much will come of it since he is a member of the media elite, however.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:07 AM (R/Baw)

93 Yes, our Talking Points usually suck. What's needed is a smart military blog that has an informed readership, as well as help from other informed conservative blogs, that could run a "Drudge Report of Talking Points" site, where nationally televised conservatives could go to get crowd-sourced facts and data and pithy rejoinders to combat the smug MSM asses before appearing on TV. Not all of our snark/insight is offered after the fact. We know what they are going to say, we never seem prepared to combat it, Newt Gingrich excepted. That would be noble work for morons of all kinds, indeed, as we wait for a chance to vote these fuckers out again. I would volunteer my time to such an endeavor. I suspect I am not alone.

Posted by: ChampionCapua at December 26, 2012 09:07 AM (KZi9D)

94 Lawbreaking David Gregory apparently also doesn't realize that realistically, anybody with access to a machine shop could design a progressive die to stamp out magazine parts in high volume in their garage.  It's not like any of these materials or processes are exotic.

Posted by: Fritz at December 26, 2012 09:08 AM (/ZZCn)

95 Gee, Ace. I wonder why you didn't cover a certain Senator's arrest for DUI. Something tells me you would have, had he been a Democrat.

Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 09:08 AM (wGDey)

96 To where would we deport him?

Down river at the Dahlgren test firing range?  That way we can be locavores too, and combine several good things.

Posted by: pep at December 26, 2012 09:08 AM (6TB1Z)

97 So, I guess if David Gregory was debating the president of NAMBLA, it would be okay for him to bugger a child in the ass just to make a point?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 09:08 AM (XkWWK)

98 "Is he the journalistic equivalent to Carrot Top?"

You rang? 

Posted by: Orange-haired Nutcase at December 26, 2012 09:08 AM (71LDo)

99 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did.

Too bad.  Buy the ticket, take the ride.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 09:08 AM (TkFJS)

100

Some people are just more equal then others.

Posted by: deepred at December 26, 2012 09:08 AM (YmACv)

101 79 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction.

Posted by: Agnes Day at December 26, 2012 01:04 PM (scOyJ)


____________


HE
BROKE
THE
LAW

Which part of this don't you get?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 09:08 AM (HDgX3)

102 Lawbreaking David Gregory apparently also doesn't realize that realistically, anybody with access to a machine shop could design a
progressive die to stamp out magazine parts in high volume in their garage. It's not
like any of these materials or processes are exotic.

Posted by: Fritz at December 26, 2012 01:08 PM (/ZZCn)

 

 

Next the ATF will start regulating and having surprise raids, er, inspections, on garage machine shops.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:09 AM (R/Baw)

103 79 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction.

Posted by: Agnes Day at December 26, 2012 01:04 PM (scOyJ)


_______________


If I don't report $50K of income, nobody gets hurt. But there's a good chance I go to jail if I am caught.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 09:09 AM (HDgX3)

104 Curse this infernal formatting!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:10 AM (R/Baw)

105 This crap is driving me to drink more heavily...pass the Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Emdoc at December 26, 2012 09:10 AM (0RJ16)

106 Okay ace, now you're just playing with our heads.

Posted by: Admiral Matt Decker at December 26, 2012 09:10 AM (CWlPF)

107 Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 01:08 PM (wGDey)

Hey Jordan, is the Texas Legislature still in session?

Also, can you tell me what drunk driver killed over two dozen people in, say, the last three weeks?

You know, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were trying to deflect attention from the fact the whores in the media only ever seem to realize bad laws are bad when they're the ones effected.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 09:10 AM (/eBe8)

108 79 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction. Posted by: Agnes Day at December 26, 2012 01:04 PM (scOyJ) Billy Jeff lied to Congress about Monica Lewinsky. But no one got hurt, right?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 09:11 AM (XkWWK)

109 What people like LaPierre should state when they appear on shows like this is to tell the national audience that he's advocating firearms ownership  as defense against people like David Gregory (or whoever is doing the MFM interview).

Posted by: Soona at December 26, 2012 09:11 AM (yCeIL)

110 Ignorance of the law is what again? Oh yeah, not an excuse.

I know it won't happen but I hope that Gergory gets thrown in jail and passed around like a party favor.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 26, 2012 12:57 PM

Remember, Gregory has a job because he can read out loud and looks good on TV. Not because he's "smart."

If you're going to throw Gregory in jail (and I'm not against that) , you've got to throw his producer in as well. Or whoever decided that after the police said "no, you can't do this" that they should do this.

Posted by: shibumi at December 26, 2012 09:11 AM (z63Tr)

111 79 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction.

Posted by: Agnes Day at December 26, 2012 01:04 PM (scOyJ)

 

Wait you mean the possession of the high capacity magazine did not turn Gregory into a ragefilled monster craving the blood and slaughter of innocents? 

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 09:11 AM (GULKT)

112 Next the ATF will start regulating and having surprise raids, er, inspections, on garage machine shops.

Wouldn't help.  There are lots of shops in Pakistan that make AKs pretty much from scratch.  Clearly ATF will have to ban the mining of iron ore.  Oh, and fire. 

Posted by: pep at December 26, 2012 09:11 AM (6TB1Z)

113 If I don't report $50K of income, nobody gets hurt. But there's a good chance I go to jail if I am caught.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 01:09 PM (HDgX3)

 

Not if you'd gone to J-school or gotten elected to politicial office. Makes you wish you'd made better life choices, eh?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (R/Baw)

114 79 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction.
===

To the contrary, Gregory is advocating throwing people in jail for what he himself did on television.

Its not "revenge" its "intellectual clarity".

Think Gregory is still going to be for high-cap mag bans after getting out of a five year prison stint for illegally possessing one?

What I'd like to know is how hard it was for Gregory to obtain this banned and illegal dangerous item.   (IE if a lesser criminal like him could get one, why wouldn't someone actually intent on murder be able to do so?).

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (6Q9g2)

115 Let's just say , David Gregory is a low capacity mag short of cartridges. IYKWIM.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (AWmfW)

116 Annnddddd... as teh IRS will tell you... repeatedly... Ignorance of the Law is no Defense. --- Which is especially fun when you are using *the IRS's own advice* to make the decision that they end up beating you over the head with.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (e0xKF)

117 This defines me.

Posted by: The Inherent Irony of Liberal Idiocy at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (pmsMR)

118 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction.

Average people get their lives ruined every day by things that couldn't hurt anyone (go talk to the owner of Gibson Guitar).  The laws apply to everyone.  Famous people shouldn't get a pass.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (6Uliu)

119 Well, I know the AR's are through the roof, but I don't know if AK prices are inflated right now.

They are.  They used to go for around $350 when ARs were still $800.  That was some time ago, but demand is just crazy right now.  I was at a local gun shop to buy a box of ammo this weekend- they were completely out of centerfire semi-autos.  The only ones left on the wall were .22s.

Personally, I'd wait until the panic buying dies down a bit.  I don't see an "assault weapon" ban going through.  It definitely wouldn't make it through the House, and I'm not sure it would even pass a Senate majority.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (SY2Kh)

120 How bout we play by your rules now J?

Do you not like that?  Why should we self-report anygoddamnthing?

Did I say fuck you?

Posted by: eleven at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (KXm42)

121 Remember, Gregory has a job because he can read out loud and looks good on TV.

Erm, no.

Posted by: pep at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (6TB1Z)

122 Waving around a fully automatic assault weapon banana clip on a daytime TV show where the children can see. They should throw the book at him,  for the children.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (NIZHJ)

123 Billy Jeff lied to Congress about Monica Lewinsky. But no one got hurt, right?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 01:11 PM (XkWWK)


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Well..... my favorite cocktail dress did get ruined....

Posted by: MONICA at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (nELVU)

124 Ignorance of the law is what again? Oh yeah, not an excuse.

And he wasn't ignorant of the law.  He apparently applied for, and was denied, the appropriate permit.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 09:12 AM (/eBe8)

125 Whoa!  I've either slipped into the Twilight Zone or I should have stayed away from the brown acid.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 09:13 AM (Hx5uv)

126 112 Clearly ATF will have to ban the mining of iron ore. Oh, and fire. Posted by: pep at December 26, 2012 01:11 PM (6TB1Z) They'd never do that. They'd hand it off to the EPA. They're already doing a good job on coal.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 09:13 AM (XkWWK)

127 What law would David Gregory have followed?

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at December 26, 2012 09:13 AM (DGIjM)

128 If you're going to throw Gregory in jail (and I'm not against that) , you've got to throw his producer in as well.


Works for me.

Posted by: fluffy at December 26, 2012 09:13 AM (z9HTb)

129 After the English Revolution in the late 1600s, Catholics were prohibited from owning non-sporting firearms. Someone check whether Gregory is a Catholic.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 26, 2012 09:13 AM (I2LwF)

130 Clearly ATF will have to ban the mining of iron ore. Oh, and fire. On it!

Posted by: The EPA at December 26, 2012 09:13 AM (GBXon)

131 "Hey Jordan, is the Texas Legislature still in session?" Nope, but Obama is still your president. Happy holidays!

Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 09:13 AM (wGDey)

132 "Alas, our side is never clever enough when it counts."

Wait for my next Fiscal Cliff move!

Posted by: Rep. Boehner, crying at December 26, 2012 09:13 AM (71LDo)

133 Something tells me you would have, had he been a Democrat.

Something tells me you're new here, or you'd remember all the "wide stance" Larry Craig bashing.

Of course, you could also just be a imbecilic troll.

I'm leaning towards imbecilic troll.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 09:14 AM (TkFJS)

134 95 Gee, Ace. I wonder why you didn't cover a certain Senator's arrest for DUI. Something tells me you would have, had he been a Democrat.

Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 01:08 PM (wGDey)

 

And the liberal media would not be covering it at all.  And it certainly wouldn't have headlines of "Democrat Senator" like they are doing for him you pathetic little stain of a boy.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 09:14 AM (GULKT)

135 Wouldn't help. There are lots of shops in Pakistan that make AKs pretty much from scratch. Clearly ATF will have to ban the mining of iron ore. Oh, and fire.

Posted by: pep at December 26, 2012 01:11 PM (6TB1Z)

 

Fire doesn't melt iron ore!  Google it!

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at December 26, 2012 09:14 AM (R/Baw)

136 95 Gee, Ace. I wonder why you didn't cover a certain Senator's arrest for DUI. Something tells me you would have, had he been a Democrat.

Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 01:08 PM (wGDey)


__________________


How to tell when a liberal has nothing to say about a topic? He changes the subject to something completely irrelevant. Well done.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 09:14 AM (HDgX3)

137 I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction.
Posted by: Agnes Day

The shear and utter hypocrisy of Gregory to demand firearms legislation when the law that forbids his stunt is already in place is mind-bendingly asinine.

He and those calling for legislation while protected by armed guards have the gall to attempt to ridicule LaPierre's statement? Again, asinine stupidity in the service of hypocrisy.

Either the law applies equally or the law is a joke. Fuck him.

Our gun laws are already a 'compromise' and no pathetic displays of dipping their hands in infants' blood should allow them to tear up our rights.

Fuck Gregory and his fellow fascists.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 26, 2012 09:15 AM (A/I9N)

138

Thank you. It's a problem of the right in general...witness Romney's feckless responses to the various media attacks against him....but the head of the NRA, whoever it is, needs to be prepared to beat back some very irrational and unreasonable attacks. Accept the fact that the media is never your friend, do a bit of remedial research, and don't back down. It easy for me to say that, but I'm tired of seeing things that people who are highly trained and paid to see aparrently cannot.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 26, 2012 09:15 AM (YmPwQ)

139 Fuck Gregory and his fellow fascists.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 26, 2012 01:15 PM (A/I9N)

 

 

Sideways.  With a chainsaw.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:16 AM (R/Baw)

140 "..like Arnold Schwarzeneger in "The Temple of Doom".

That was Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 09:16 AM (71LDo)

141 Gregory might have not known that he didn't have permission to have this- it was just noted at for X story he had X prop, which was handed to him, as per the crew.

OK, so arrest the producer, too.

Posted by: Retread at December 26, 2012 09:16 AM (zxitI)

142 Why do we even need income taxes?  If it's OK to borrow $1.5 trillion a year, why don't we just borrow $5 trillion a year and stop paying taxes?  It's not like it's ever going to get payed back anyway.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 09:16 AM (Hx5uv)

143
I think its pretty funny (and quite amazing too) that it will never dawn on Gregory that these laws entrap the law abiding despite what just happened.

He and his ilk will want to take away people's rights based on potentialities.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 26, 2012 09:16 AM (69Mdf)

144 Here's the thing: leftists don't believe in "truth" but rather "the revolutionary truth." This means whatever they need to say or do to affect revolution is the new truth. Journalists certainly behave in this manner. Furthermore, leftists believe laws are not laws but rather "the revolutionary law" which means selective and severe prosecution in furtherance of bringing forth the revolution. It probably seems irrational to these leftists that anyone's even complaining. Like if someone were complaining to them that water is wet or that gravity exists. Like we're just lunatics.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 26, 2012 09:17 AM (I2LwF)

145 #135

In the USA, by law the receiver of a gun (ie the part that holds all the other parts together) is the "gun".  All the other parts are just "parts".

The issue here is that the "receiver" of an AK is literally just a bent and hardened piece of sheet metal.

If you know what you're doing and have the appropriate tools (which aren't all that sophisticated), you can literally create one from a shovel. . .as this guy actually did:

http://tinyurl.com/chuc4ku


Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 09:17 AM (6Q9g2)

146  "..like Arnold Schwarzeneger in "The Temple of Doom".


That was Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 01:16 PM (71LDo)

 

He played the temple.  Masterful acting, too.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:17 AM (R/Baw)

147 139 Fuck Gregory and his fellow fascists. Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 26, 2012 01:15 PM (A/I9N)Sideways. With a chainsaw. Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:16 PM (R/Baw) Don't forget the lemon juice on the wounds. Owie.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 09:17 AM (c2oll)

148 OK, so arrest the producer, too.

Now that there's two, you can charge for conspiracy as well.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 09:18 AM (TkFJS)

149
If you know what you're doing and have the appropriate tools (which aren't all that sophisticated), you can literally create one from a shovel. . .as this guy actually did:

http://tinyurl.com/chuc4ku


Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 01:17 PM (6Q9g2)

 

Clearly we need a national conversation about shovel control.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:18 AM (R/Baw)

150 Ok off to play WiiU with my kids!!

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 26, 2012 09:18 AM (I2LwF)

151

but the head of the NRA, whoever it is, needs to be prepared to beat back some very irrational and unreasonable attacks.

 

Not sure I agree there.  If he is going to be the one talking to the media absolutely.  I'd of course prefer someone who's only job would be to deal with the media, so his time is only spent researching responses to hit them back with.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 09:18 AM (GULKT)

152 Clearly ATF will have to ban the mining of iron ore. Oh, and fire.

Posted by: pep at December 26, 2012 01:11 PM (6TB1Z)


Well , that's what EPA is for.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 26, 2012 09:18 AM (AWmfW)

153 "I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction."

Then why is there a Law against it????????   Isn't that the point?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 09:18 AM (71LDo)

154 Has the NY journal paper outed David's address ?

Posted by: ette at December 26, 2012 09:19 AM (nqBYe)

155 If he is going to be the one talking to the media absolutely. I'd of course prefer someone who's only job would be to deal with the media, so his time is only spent researching responses to hit them back with.

You may be picking nits, there.  I presumed the actual suggestion was "hey, if it's your job to talk to the media, it's also your job to have some basic facts on hand."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 09:20 AM (/eBe8)

156 High Capacity Magazines don't kill people, people kill people.

Posted by: David Gregory's Legal Team at December 26, 2012 09:20 AM (NIZHJ)

157 151...ok, let me amend that to if the head of the NRA is going to make speeches and attempt to "debate" on these talk shows, I really think he needs to be prepared to respond in kind. Agree that they need an agressive press secretary.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 26, 2012 09:20 AM (YmPwQ)

158 You may be picking nits, there. I presumed the actual suggestion was "hey, if it's your job to talk to the media, it's also your job to have some basic facts on hand."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:20 PM (/eBe

 

Media?  Facts?  *snerk*

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:21 AM (R/Baw)

159 Clearly we need a national conversation about shovel control.

Heh, you beat me to it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 26, 2012 09:21 AM (6Uliu)

160 I believe it was Adrian Fenty who also broke DC gun laws. Of course nothing happened to him.

Posted by: RWC at December 26, 2012 09:21 AM (sqp6o)

161 How to tell when a liberal has nothing to say about a topic? He changes the subject to something completely irrelevant. Well done. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 01:14 PM (HDgX3) ----------------------------------------------------------- Oh yeah? Well BOOOOOOSH..... Mission Accomplished. Weapons of Mass Destruction. Jobless recover (unemployment at less that 5%). "Burger Flipper jobs". SHUT UP I explained.

Posted by: Jordumb at December 26, 2012 09:22 AM (jucos)

162 Here's the thing: leftists don't believe in "truth" but rather "the revolutionary truth." This means whatever they need to say or do to affect revolution is the new truth.

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The truth is that which aids the coming of the socialist utopia.  A lie is that which impairs the coming of the socialist utopia.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 09:22 AM (Hx5uv)

163 14 Did he think the audience or his guest was 2dum to no what a 30 round clip looked like?

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I'd just like to point out that you misspelled "2 dum 2 no".

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 26, 2012 09:23 AM (1c58W)

164 The only way to prevent misuse of any tool that could be used to kill others would be to ban humanity. Unfortunately I could see using the idea of banning to certain Humanity as an en devour of the left.

Posted by: ette at December 26, 2012 09:23 AM (nqBYe)

165 So, what happened to that Chemical Weapons red line. Apparently Assad used them. I think the one is gonna have to break them out to make a third term, yeah, I said it, our gov would use chemical weapons on us. They already know we won't jump. Lies, murder and out and out violations of the constitution. Get ready, the chair is against the wall.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 09:24 AM (3Y7RV)

166 131 Nope, but Obama is still your president. Happy holidays! Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 01:13 PM (wGDey) Smile when you say that. Especially when your taxes go up, you can no longer afford Tuna Helper-Helper, you experience rolling brown outs and you or a loved one are denied medical care and told to take the pain pill. Have a nice day or, as we say in Brooklyn, Vayr ge hargit!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 09:24 AM (XkWWK)

167 About time these scumbags suffer under the same laws they want for everybody else. I hope they ream his asshole with a roto rooter snake.
 
It would be delicious to see that douchebag complaining that "it was just a little tin box waaaah waaaah"".

Posted by: Berserker at December 26, 2012 09:25 AM (FMbng)

168 High Capacity Magazines don't kill people, people kill people.

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I see that wacko who set those fires and killed the firemen had already been in prison for murdering his grandmother with a hammer.  Who could have seen this violent attack coming from a guy like him, you know, all rehabilitated and all?

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 09:25 AM (Hx5uv)

169 Clearly we need a national conversation about shovel control.

Heh, you beat me to it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 26, 2012 01:21 PM (6Uliu)

 

 

Great minds and all that. 

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:25 AM (R/Baw)

170

I'm really not up for building an AK out of a shovel. I think the route to go will be to get a proper Saiga .308 and convert the thing to pistol grip.

 

In .308 Winchester, though, I guess you can't convert the mags to AK style because nobody makes a .308 AK except the saiga.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:26 AM (TULs6)

171 Especially when your taxes go up, you can no longer afford Tuna Helper-Helper, you experience rolling brown outs and you or a loved one are denied medical care and told to take the pain pill.

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Ah, the new normal.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 09:26 AM (Hx5uv)

172 Shovel control:

http://tinyurl.com/ccm2p2o

The unfortunate answer to the "problem" of easily created firearms receivers is to do what they do in various other countries and simply redefine a "gun" to include a receiver, barrel, or a variety of other parts.

If you want to get into this sort of nonsense, I'm quite certain that more Americans are killed each year with knives than Kalashnikovs.  So we "need" to enact Britain-stupid "knife control" laws. . .(because they work so well there).



Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 09:26 AM (PwGfd)

173 I see that wacko who set those fires and killed the firemen had already been in prison for murdering his grandmother with a hammer. Who could have seen this violent attack coming from a guy like him, you know, all rehabilitated and all?

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 01:25 PM (Hx5uv)

 

We need laws against convicted felons possessing firearms and killing people!

Wait.  Whut?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:26 AM (R/Baw)

174 OK, so arrest the producer, too.

Now that there's two, you can charge for conspiracy as well.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 01:18 PM (TkFJS)


And the cover-up is usually the worst part!  Looks like 30-40 years without parole.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 09:27 AM (71LDo)

175 Sue Ames for manufacturing assault shovels.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:28 AM (NIZHJ)

176 OK, so arrest the producer, too.

Now that there's two, you can charge for conspiracy as well.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 01:18 PM (TkFJS)

And the cover-up is usually the worst part! Looks like 30-40 years without parole.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 01:27 PM (71LDo)

 

 

We need stringent journalist control laws.  Hey, if they can disregard the Second Amendment, I can disregard the First!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:28 AM (R/Baw)

177 "I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction."

Then why is there a Law against it???????? Isn't that the point?

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The new normal is men, not law.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 09:28 AM (Hx5uv)

178 174 OK, so arrest the producer, too. Now that there's two, you can charge for conspiracy as well. Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 01:18 PM (TkFJS) And the cover-up is usually the worst part! Looks like 30-40 years without parole. --- Since those two work for NBC, which has had other issues in the past such as fraud, can the entire news division there be hit up with RICO?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 26, 2012 09:29 AM (e0xKF)

179 So, what happened to that Chemical Weapons red line. Apparently Assad used them.

If everything your President does is compatible with the Other Side's desires, is he a duck and make any sound at all?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 09:29 AM (71LDo)

180

"I understand the desire for revenge, but nobody was or could have been hurt by what Gregory did. Lots of over-reaction."

 

Nobody would be hurt by me owning a full auto AK either, yet they will still throw my ass in jail if I try that.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:29 AM (TULs6)

181

A full auto, .308 AK......

 

How sick would that be.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:30 AM (TULs6)

182 Sue Ames for manufacturing assault shovels.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 01:28 PM (NIZHJ)

 

 

See Great Britain re: knives and bats.  It's not that far fetched.  Some manufacturer will eventually get sued for making their shovels too sharp, or too long, or something, that makes them more easily used to bludgeon or maim somebody.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:30 AM (R/Baw)

183

Wait you mean the possession of the high capacity magazine did not turn Gregory into a ragefilled monster craving the blood and slaughter of innocents?

 

Not until a full moon.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 26, 2012 09:31 AM (+9AX9)

184 I think Saint Assad of Syria is doing a fine job. He's a chip off the old block.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:31 AM (NIZHJ)

185 170

Building an AK out of a shovel is more of a party stunt.  This guy did it basically "because he could".

Honestly, if you like a Saiga .308 why bother converting it?  Ordinary stock configuration is perfectly fine. . .M1a, M14s, etc all work fine with ordinary stocks.

You probably could have a custom builder make you a .308 AK, though I question the cost-effectiveness of it.

You could also get one of those PSL rifles, which are kind of like big AKs, only they fire the 7.62x54R rounds, which is ballistically similar to .308, only available much cheaper as surplus (only about $0.25/rd in bulk).    Here you'd be limited to 5 round mags, but I think 10 round mags are in the works.

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 09:31 AM (PwGfd)

186 If only there was some ambitious DC prosecutor who had the cajones to file charges against one of these leftist darlings. . . . . And I might be a Chinese jet pilot.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 09:31 AM (c2oll)

187 Sue Ames for manufacturing assault shovels. Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 01:28 PM (NIZHJ)See Great Britain re: knives and bats. It's not that far fetched. Some manufacturer will eventually get sued for making their shovels too sharp, or too long, or something, that makes them more easily used to bludgeon or maim somebody. Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:30 PM (R/Baw) Goodness, what you can do with a ptch fork.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 09:31 AM (3Y7RV)

188 A full auto, .308 AK......

How sick would that be.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 01:30 PM (TULs6)

 

 

Probably none too accurate, but badass nonetheless.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:31 AM (R/Baw)

189 It is a conspiracy on a vast scale. The cameramen should be arrested too. What about all of the program directors who broadcast this violence porn into the homes of unsuspecting people across this country? Thrown them all in jail.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 26, 2012 09:32 AM (jucos)

190 We need laws against convicted felons possessing firearms and killing people!Wait. Whut?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:26 PM (R/Baw)

 

 

------------------------------------------

 

 

We need new laws to make it  illegal to be a lawbreaker.

Posted by: The New Congress at December 26, 2012 09:32 AM (yCeIL)

191 Some manufacturer will eventually get sued for making their shovels too sharp, or too long, or something, that makes them more easily used to bludgeon or maim somebody.

Don't get me started on those fluorescent plastic "forks" we give kids to "play with at the beach" along with their buckets and shovels.  My God, we're lucky it isn't a daily holocaust in the summertime.

Posted by: pep at December 26, 2012 09:33 AM (6TB1Z)

192 Why did a guy who beat mom to death with a hammer ever get out?

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:34 AM (NIZHJ)

193 No no. We need laws to make 30 round magazines illegaler.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 09:34 AM (c2oll)

194 Don't get me started on those fluorescent plastic "forks" we give kids to "play with at the beach" along with their buckets and shovels. My God, we're lucky it isn't a daily holocaust in the summertime.

Posted by: pep at December 26, 2012 01:33 PM (6TB1Z)

 

Hey, somebody could put out an eye. There should be mandatory soft coverings for the tines on those things.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:34 AM (R/Baw)

195 I wish I could get AK banana clips for .308.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:34 AM (TULs6)

196 "Smile when you say that. Especially when your taxes go up, you can no longer afford Tuna Helper-Helper, you experience rolling brown outs and you or a loved one are denied medical care and told to take the pain pill." Believe me, I do smile when I say it. Don't worry about me, though. We'll be fine in Colorado no matter how dysfunctional you coastal elites become.

Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 09:34 AM (wGDey)

197 181 A full auto, .308 AK......how sick would that be.
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"Sick" is exactly the word I'd use.
Something like that would probably be uncontrollable in full auto fire.

In general, full auto is good for suppressive fire on the battlefield, and its good for creating brief and expensive loud displays at the range or on the silver screen.  Its not particularly useful for anything else, though.

People think that if these schoolyard shooters had full auto guns, things would be worse. . .in fact the opposite is probably true.  If they had full auto guns, they'd inevitably burn through their ammo much faster, and they'd create fewer casualties (not more).


Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 09:35 AM (PwGfd)

198 Why did a guy who beat mom to death with a hammer ever get out?

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 01:34 PM (NIZHJ)

 

 

Soft-headed parole board, would be my guess.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:35 AM (R/Baw)

199 Posted by: Agnes Day at December 26, 2012 01:04 PM (scOyJ) Finally got internet back after the hurricane Curious? And here the air has been so fresh lately. Should have known it was too good to last.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 26, 2012 09:36 AM (wbeNt)

200 192 Why did a guy who beat mom to death with a hammer ever get out? --- He plead down to manslaughter. How exactly one pleas beating his grandmother to death down from murder to manslaughter depends on the state and DAs involved. Personally, I blame Cuomo The Elder.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 26, 2012 09:36 AM (e0xKF)

201 Does that mean she had it coming?

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:37 AM (NIZHJ)

202 He plead down to manslaughter.

How exactly one pleas beating his grandmother to death down from murder to manslaughter depends on the state and DAs involved. Personally, I blame Cuomo The Elder.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 26, 2012 01:36 PM (e0xKF)

 

How does that work exactly? "I was just over here swinging my hammer, and the crazy old bat kept putting her head in the way!"

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:38 AM (R/Baw)

203 Wait you mean the possession of the high capacity magazine did not turn Gregory into a ragefilled monster craving the blood and slaughter of innocents?

Not until a full moon.

I think that's tonight. Might want to give Gregory a wide berth, just in case.

Posted by: Retread at December 26, 2012 09:38 AM (zxitI)

204 I'm really not up for building an AK out of a shovel. I think the route to go will be to get a proper Saiga .308 and convert the thing to pistol grip.

While I've been tempted more than once by a .308 AR, I'm not sure I'd buy an AK .308.  The action can handle the round just fine, but they're too inaccurate for anything but short to medium range.  The cheaper 7.62x39 is adequate for 150 yards, and beyond that you'd have a tough time reliably hitting anything anyways.

Much of the appeal of the AR platform is that it's very accurate for a semi-auto.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 26, 2012 09:38 AM (SY2Kh)

205 OK, put me some f'n knowledge here.  How do I fix my formatting? 

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:38 AM (R/Baw)

206

"I was just over here swinging my hammer, and the crazy old bat kept putting her head in the way!"

All eightteen times.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 26, 2012 09:39 AM (+9AX9)

207 OK, put me some f'n knowledge here. How do I fix my formatting?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:38 PM (R/Baw)

 

 

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Comment on another blog?

Posted by: Soona at December 26, 2012 09:41 AM (yCeIL)

208 #197
Full auto can also be useful in the context of submachine guns. . .where you have something that fires a low-power low-recoil pistol round, you can partly offset the weakness of the individual round by putting out a whole lot of them quickly.

In a .308. . .no thanks.   Guns like that do exist. . .here's one with a 50 round mag. . .though again, not sure how useful this really is off the battlefield, except to turn a lot of expensive  ammo into shells fast.

http://tinyurl.com/c6pabob

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 09:41 AM (6Q9g2)

209 Banana clips http://www.motifake.com/facebookview.php?id=6145

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 09:42 AM (c2oll)

210

Honestly, if you like a Saiga .308 why bother converting it? Ordinary stock configuration is perfectly fine. . .M1a, M14s, etc all work fine with ordinary stocks.

 

Because I want to mount tacticool toys. I already have bolt action rifles with hunting stocks. I want an 'assault weapon', semi with a pistol grip.

 


You probably could have a custom builder make you a .308 AK, though I question the cost-effectiveness of it.

 

Hence the need to convert a Saiga. If I had $1800 burning a hole in my pocket I'd buy an Arsenal AK, which if I understand correctly are Saigas that are already converted.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:42 AM (TULs6)

211 Comment on another blog?

Posted by: Soona at December 26, 2012 01:41 PM (yCeIL)

 

Touche.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:42 AM (R/Baw)

212 OK, put me some f'n knowledge here. How do I fix my formatting? Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:38 PM (R/Baw) OK, WTF is formatting? I have heard complaints but I have no idea what it is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 09:43 AM (3Y7RV)

213 I wish I could get AK banana clips for .308.

You can.  A quick Google search came up with 24 round .308 mags for sale.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 26, 2012 09:43 AM (SY2Kh)

214 Or a Bushmaster AR for that kind of price.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:44 AM (TULs6)

215

You can. A quick Google search came up with 24 round .308 mags for sale.

 

For Saiga .308 I bet.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:44 AM (TULs6)

216

OK, put me some f'n knowledge here. How do I fix my formatting?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:38 PM (R/Baw)

 

Browser and problem you are having first?

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 09:44 AM (GULKT)

217 OK, put me some f'n knowledge here. How do I fix my formatting? Use the alternate reality version of the blog.

Posted by: The EPA at December 26, 2012 09:45 AM (GBXon)

218 I use Mozilla and I can't see Mencken banner or most pictures here. Everything is fine on Internet Explorer.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:46 AM (NIZHJ)

219 Save your money, buy an M-40 with some top shelf optics and practice. Aint no Mitch Rapps here. Whack and walk away.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 09:46 AM (3Y7RV)

220

In a .308. . .no thanks. Guns like that do exist. . .here's one with a 50 round mag. . .though again, not sure how useful this really is off the battlefield, except to turn a lot of expensive ammo into shells fast.

 

Yeah, spraying full auto in .308 would be worthless because of the recoil. It would just be cool.

 

With semi-fire, a 7.62x51mm (.30 should be more accurate and have flatter ballistics further than the standard 7.62x39mm AK round.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:47 AM (TULs6)

221 Browser and problem you are having first?

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (GULKT)

 

IE9 and everything keeps running together.  Maybe I should switch to compatability view?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:47 AM (R/Baw)

222 218 I use Mozilla and I can't see Mencken banner or most pictures here. Everything is fine on Internet Explorer.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 01:46 PM (NIZHJ)

 

That's just likely your settings and is not a matter of learning the silly quirks of the blog.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 09:48 AM (GULKT)

223

Ah.

That.

Seems.

To.

Have.

Done.

It.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 09:48 AM (R/Baw)

224 Which settings?

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:48 AM (NIZHJ)

225 221 Browser and problem you are having first?
Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (GULKT)

IE9 and everything keeps running together. Maybe I should switch to compatability view?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:47 PM (R/Baw)

 

Yep switch to compatibility view.  And also double space between paragraphs otherwise you won't have a gap in text, even if you see it in the formatting window.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 09:49 AM (GULKT)

226 #204

I'm with you there.  For a .308 you want either an AR-10 or a bolt action. 

Most of the usefulness of a .308 is wasted on a Kalashnikov, a gun designed for reliablity and cheap manufacture above everything else.

Short AK barrel length not only gimps the nice .308 ballistics, it also throws off a nasty fireball at the same time (which, by the way, the Saigas in .308 are notorious for).

Intrinsic accuracy of the AK platform is also bad, even if the gun is scoped, something that it was never really designed for, and isn't all that easy to do.




Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 09:49 AM (PwGfd)

227 Is there a way to punt to default settings?

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:50 AM (NIZHJ)

228

You people recommending bolt-action rifles are missing the point entirely. I already have old grandpa rifles.

 

I want a scary plastic'd out 'tactical'/'assault weapon' semi AK with pistol grip and 30rd magazines.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:50 AM (TULs6)

229 Intrinsic accuracy of the AK platform is also bad, even if the gun is scoped, something that it was never really designed for, and isn't all that easy to do. Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 01:49 PM (PwGfd) Word, AK's are great from 200 in.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 09:51 AM (3Y7RV)

230 "Yeah, spraying full auto in .308 would be worthless because of the recoil. It would just be cool." Not if it's on a swivel mount on my dashboard....

Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 09:52 AM (wGDey)

231 Well, David Gregory didn't really have possession possession of the magazine....

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at December 26, 2012 09:52 AM (y5bPZ)

232 For Saiga .308 I bet.

Correct, but a Saiga .308 is just a .308 AK modified to chamber the longer round.  Installing a pistol grip stock is a simple affair.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 26, 2012 09:52 AM (SY2Kh)

233 You people recommending bolt-action rifles are missing the point entirely. I already have old grandpa rifles. I want a scary plastic'd out 'tactical'/'assault weapon' semi AK with pistol grip and 30rd magazines. Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 01:50 PM (TULs6) Oh, I see, you want to be cool, not deadly.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 09:52 AM (3Y7RV)

234

The action can handle the round just fine, but they're too inaccurate for anything but short to medium range.

 

The Saiga's are supposed to have very good accuracy, this ain't some polish surplus AK.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:53 AM (TULs6)

235 Can't believe my lawyer forgot to show the authorities my press credentials...

Posted by: Plaxico Burress at December 26, 2012 09:53 AM (y5bPZ)

236

Oh, I see, you want to be cool, not deadly.

 

I want both. Putting black plastic parts on the gun doesn't make the ballistics any less lethal.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:53 AM (TULs6)

237 Can't believe my lawyer forgot to show the authorities my press credentials... Posted by: Plaxico Burress at December 26, 2012 01:53 PM (y5bPZ) Poor plexiglass, shoots himself and goes to jail.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 09:54 AM (3Y7RV)

238 Can you get great big magazines for say a great big hunting rifle? They don't look as scary.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 09:55 AM (NIZHJ)

239

Correct, but a Saiga .308 is just a .308 AK modified to chamber the longer round.

 

I'm not a gunsmith, but I think there's other issues. Something about the AK having the guide in the reciever but the Saiga having the guide in the magazine.

 

You're right about the grip though. I think I could probably handle that myself.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:56 AM (TULs6)

240 I've seen reports that Armalite makes a 30 round .308 mag. Don't know if it's banana shaped, or if it's for the post-ban rifles or current production (mag-pul compatible) ones.

Posted by: Fox2! at December 26, 2012 09:56 AM (2Lm88)

241 Call me old school, but I love that FN-FAL for a semi auto 308.

Posted by: Berserker at December 26, 2012 09:58 AM (FMbng)

242 Oldsailer, even most snipers are moving to semi-auto now over bolt-action. Bolt action may be a hair's thickness more accurate, but being able to shoot several times without reloading or changing your firing posture usually makes up for being off by 1" at 1000 yards.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:58 AM (TULs6)

243 #220

I've shot several different full auto guns and IMO the reality of doing so isn't nearly as "cool" as the perception.   At a typical cyclic rate of fire of 600rpm, you'll run through your 30 round magazine in three seconds flat.  If you're good at controlling bursts (which is actually harder than it looks), maybe you can get 6-8 controlled bursts out.

A lot of novice shooters find firing even ONE .308 from a shouldered rifle to be unpleasant.  Doing it in an uncontrolled manner full auto is not only potentially unpleasant, but also dangerous.

Of course a .308 (which is a real rifle round) is more powerful then a 7.62x39, which isn't all that much more than a glorified pistol round.   IMO, if you want the benefit of a real rifle round, you'll want to fire it from a real rifle.

 

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 09:59 AM (6Q9g2)

244

Call me old school, but I love that FN-FAL for a semi auto 308.

 

I was looking at those. I have heard mixed things about them.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 09:59 AM (TULs6)

245 I want both. Putting black plastic parts on the gun doesn't make the ballistics any less lethal. Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 01:53 PM (TULs6) OK, I understand. But in the next combat, if there is one. You may want to think small, understated and unobtrusive. Big flashy show of force, fancy pieces parts with electronic gadgets and gizmos on a rail does you no favors. Think Mujahadeen, in the end that is who we will be. Fancy shit is what the bully's do, not the patriots. That's why we win.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 10:02 AM (3Y7RV)

246 Call me old school, but I love that FN-FAL for a semi auto 308. Posted by: Berserker at December 26, 2012 01:58 PM (FMbng) Ditto.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 10:03 AM (3Y7RV)

247 "A lot of novice shooters find firing even ONE .308 from a shouldered rifle to be unpleasant." A lot of us life-long shooters do too.

Posted by: Jordan at December 26, 2012 10:04 AM (wGDey)

248 Call me old school, but I love that FN-FAL for a semi auto 308.

I have one; bought it back when you could get a cheap one for $500.  It's OK, but the trigger isn't great and it's difficult to improve.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 26, 2012 10:05 AM (SY2Kh)

249  Call me old school, but I love that FN-FAL for a semi auto 308.
Posted by: Berserker at December 26, 2012 01:58 PM (FMbng)


Ditto.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 26, 2012 02:03 PM (3Y7RV)

 

The FAL is a sweet rifle. 

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 10:05 AM (R/Baw)

250 Wow. Galil .223 for 600 bucks on gunbroker.

Posted by: RWC at December 26, 2012 10:07 AM (sqp6o)

251

Short AK barrel length not only gimps the nice .308 ballistics, it also throws off a nasty fireball at the same time (which, by the way, the Saigas in .308 are notorious for).

I would be looking for the 21" barrel, not the 16". Also, if you can mod muzzle breaks onto them (which takes a bit of work) it is said to help tremendously.

 

A lot of novice shooters find firing even ONE .308 from a shouldered rifle to be unpleasant. Doing it in an uncontrolled manner full auto is not only potentially unpleasant, but also dangerous.

I know, like I said, I was screwing around. I can't even own full-auto weapons so it's moot - I'm looking for a semi.

 

An AR is going to cost at least twice the price as an AK. .308 seems like a screwball round for an AR platform. Those guys most all shoot 5.56x45. From what I have heard good AK's are not inaccurate and should be able to hit targets further than I probably can actually hit them. 

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 10:08 AM (TULs6)

252 234

Saiga platform is still effectively an AK, and accuracy is going to be limited by both tolerances and the nature of the gun. 

But in a nutshell, something built out of sheet metal has receiver flex, and isn't going to be as potentially accurate as something built with a solid forged receiver, let alone a forged receiver, match chamber, and actual match-quality barrel.  On top of that the AK platform was never meant to be scoped, and the ergonomics of these guns scoped can be dicey.

If you want a "more accurate" AK, then you'll want a PSL or a true Russian Dragunov.  The former are basically elongated AKs,with stiffer receivers.  The later have some internal design differences to make them more accurate, and in fact, they even have been built and imported in .308. . .though good luck finding one for sale, and hope you have a lot of money handy if you do.

IMO, apart from exoticness, AR-10 will do anything one of these PSL/Dragunovs will, only better.
 
In terms of converting a Saiga into an AK, its more complicated than just moving the pistol grip, because you have to move the triggerguard, fire control group and internal rails too.    IMO, if you want a fighting gun in .308, there are better choices out there.

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 10:08 AM (PwGfd)

253 Wow. Galil .223 for 600 bucks on gunbroker.

Posted by: RWC at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (sqp6o)

 

 

At that price it's probably the Century Arms build, not an original Israeli build.  Proceed with caution.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 10:09 AM (R/Baw)

254 If you outlaw high capacity magazines, only David Gregory will have high capacity magazines.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 10:09 AM (NIZHJ)

255 250

Not a "real" Galil. . .a Century arms copy using worn to crap surplus Guatemalan parts installed by monkeys into a Caspian arms made receiver.

Lots of these guns have issues. . .they look and feel like the real McCoy, but the receivers and barrels aren't lined up leading to jams.


Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 10:10 AM (6Q9g2)

256

On top of that the AK platform was never meant to be scoped, and the ergonomics of these guns scoped can be dicey.

 

I put a red dot on a Saiga 7.62x39.  Worked fairly well.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 10:11 AM (R/Baw)

257 Thanks for the warning. Wasn't looking to buy anyhow. Kind of in a lull regarding spending.

Posted by: RWC at December 26, 2012 10:14 AM (sqp6o)

258

In terms of converting a Saiga into an AK, its more complicated than just moving the pistol grip, because you have to move the triggerguard, fire control group and internal rails too. IMO, if you want a fighting gun in .308, there are better choices out there.

 

For the money, though?

 

I don't have $3000 for a rifle. The Saiga's are like $650 plus $100-200 for conversion. What can beat that for under a grand?

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 10:14 AM (TULs6)

259 Actually the original bit was for Gregory to hold up the empty magazine and a copy of Newsweak  and ask the rhetorical question "which empty magazine has done more damage to America?".

But alas history and Tina Tut-tut pulled the plug and Monkey Puss was left holding the bag so to speak.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 26, 2012 10:15 AM (aZ6ew)

260 #253

Unfortunately, these Century arms "Golani" clones are probably the closest most people will get to a real Galil.

They're fine. . .so long as you accept that you're effectively dealing with a "range toy" Galil that resembles the original and has some parts commonality, but probably won't give you the legendary reliability of the real McCoy.  If you want an actual fighting/defense/survival gun, I'd pass.

Depending on how munged up the internals are, a good AK-gunsmith can probably tune up one of these Century guns into something worthwhile, but once you factor in the costs of doing so, the relatively low entry price won't seem like such a bargain anymore.

Also, Galil mags and other parts/accessories are fairly expensive compared to cheap AK or AR mags.  

Another way to get the same effect would be to take a more conventional AK (in caliber of your choice), then add on Galil-like aftermarket parts.  

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 10:18 AM (PwGfd)

261 In terms of converting a Saiga into an AK, its more complicated than just moving the pistol grip, because you have to move the triggerguard, fire control group and internal rails too. IMO, if you want a fighting gun in .308, there are better choices out there

There are conversion kits out there; given the simplicity of the AK platform it's not a difficult job.  I don't believe you need to mess with the rails, just the trigger group and trigger guard (in addition to the stock).

I'm not sold on them, but the alternatives (AR-10) aren't exactly cheap.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 26, 2012 10:23 AM (SY2Kh)

262 >>An AR is going to cost at least twice the price as an AK. .308 seems like ascrewball round for an AR platform. Those guys most all shoot 5.56x45. From what I have heardgood AK's are notinaccurate andshould be able to hit targets further than I probably can actually hit them.

AR-10 platform was designed specifically to shoot 7.62x51 (.30 and is built on an elongated receiver dissimilar to that of the run of the mill AR-15.

Accuracy is relative.  If you want to hit a pie plate at  75 yards, your AK will work for that.  (And bluntly for 90% of combat, that's probably all you'd need anyway).

Presumably, if you're interested in a .308, then you're interested in hitting an apple at 300 yards.   No AK platform will do that in a consistent way.

>>I don't have $3000 for a rifle. The Saiga's are like $650 plus $100-200 for conversion. What can beat that for under a grand?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here? 

Bolt action Remington 700 in .308 is under $500 brand new in the box, and it will shoot the wings off a fly.

Enterprise arms FAL Imbel in a metric FN-FAL built with new parts on an American receiver in .308 for $900.  

I don't know about NOW (during Obama gun panic II), but a new AR-10 pattern gun from a lesser manufacturer can be had for $1100, and if you're serious about shooting, you'll take that over a kludged AK.

Unless you're hunting medium/large game, if you're not intending to take shots more than 100 yards, you don't need a .308.

>>I put a red dot on a Saiga 7.62x39. Worked fairly well.

Well for what?

Try it with a 4-16x50 riflescope (ie one with actual magification) then get back to me.

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 10:33 AM (6Q9g2)

263 The only thing I've seen as affordable is the Century Arms CETME's based on HK design, but from what I've heard about them I'd end up paying a competent gunsmith several hundred to fix the thing.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 10:33 AM (TULs6)

264 #261 There are conversion kits out there [to turn a Saiga into an AK pattern]; given the simplicity of the AK platform it's not a difficult job. I don't believe you need to mess with the rails, just the trigger group and trigger guard (in addition to the stock).
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Many people who do this want to be able to use high cap magazines, and that means dremelling out the magwell opening too.

Yes, of course this sort of thing can be done at home, if you've got basic mechanical skills and are so inclined.   AKs are pretty simple machines, as they go, and I think the Russians had this philosophy of gunsmithing that said that all their guns had to be built such that the average poor peasant conscript could fix them with just a hammer and chisel (seriously).

Again, the question is what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

Yes, I guess if you want the cheapest possible semiauto .308 rifle in some sort of "battle" configuration, this might be the way to go.  But is that really what you want?  If you really want to take advantage of what a .308 can offer (ie power and accuracy at DISTANCE), then I just don't think a Saiga is going to cut it.

If you just want a short range "blaster" in .308, the Saiga will do that, but personally, again, I probably wouldn't even bother with the conversion.  Maybe if you want to get fancy with folding stocks and such, you might want a gun with AK furniture compatibility.   But other than that, does this conversion really buy you anything?  What's wrong with the Saiga exactly as it is?  If you don't like the factory stock, you can always put a better one on there.

Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 10:55 AM (6Q9g2)

265 Ace wrote, "Before we pass any new laws we should have a national discussion about whether all these laws are actually aimed at actions, or if they are are simply aimed at harassing those the Media-Government Establishment have decided are of lesser status." It isn't about status, per se, but it is about category, specifically three categories: those who actively support The State and its approved Narrative, those who go with the flow, and then those considered enemies of The State. That last category would be us, we, you and me, those at whom gun control laws are aimed. By 'The State' I mean Leviathan, the authoritarian Marxist socialist behemoth currently supplanting the old federal government of the Republic. The State is genuinely afraid of us, I think, and I'm pretty sure we're hated, we happy, bitterly clinging few. Anyway, once the 2nd Amendment is subverted, suborned, or reinterpreted in such a way as to implement a de facto prohibition on the private ownership of firearms, attacks on 1st Amendment freedoms will follow shortly thereafter. I'm not being tinfoil hat-conspiratorial or hyperbolic here. This is what I see happening. Remember the Left talking about certain 'modifications' to freedom of speech after the furor caused by the Mohammed YouTube video, which was then supposedly the trigger for the Benghazi attack? That's how Leviathan feels about freedom of speech. All speech that isn't its speech is hate speech.

Posted by: troyriser at December 26, 2012 11:21 AM (ptcFO)

266 I don't know about NOW (during Obama gun panic II), but a new AR-10 pattern gun from a lesser manufacturer can be had for $1100, and if you're serious about shooting, you'll take that over a kludged AK. Posted by: looking closely at December 26, 2012 02:33 PM (6Q9g2) Clearly you like the precision which can be achieved with the AR platform. Me, I don't care so much about precision. I prefer rugged reliability, ease of maintenance, and simplicity of design. I was an M60 machinegunner in the Army, but before that, on a fire team, I used the M16A1. I hated it. The slightest piece of grit in the bolt mechanism and you were looking at serial malfunctions. In contrast, remove an AK or an SKS bolt, roll it around in the sand, put it back in, and continue firing. Comparatively loose tolerances contribute to reliability. Reliability is--in my view--preferable to pinpoint precision at ranges at or around 300 meters. If you want long-distance, then by all means go high-end.

Posted by: troyriser at December 26, 2012 12:00 PM (ptcFO)

267

In contrast, remove an AK or an SKS bolt, roll it around in the sand, put it back in, and continue firing.

 

Saw a video of a guy who shoved a twinkie in the open bolt and closed it and kept firing. The AR, needless to say, failed the twinkie test.

Posted by: Entropy at December 26, 2012 12:29 PM (TULs6)

268 The burden is on you to demonstrate high crimes and misdemeanors on the part of the president. To my knowledge, he hasn't committed any crime.
The US started as a nation of traitors to the British crown, I wouldn't throw moral stones.

You are aware, aren't you, that the President can suggest legislation, can appoint members of the judiciary (who then need approval of the legislative branch). In fact, the heads of the executive branch departments, after being nominated by the President, also must get legislative approval before they get appointed.

In other words, the President is NOT a dictator and on his own, has very little power.

Is Barack Obama a traitor to America?
Is Barack Obama mentally ill?
Can Barack Obama be impeached?
Is Barack Obama an Urusper and what does that mean?
Is Barack Obama an evil man?
Is Barack Obama a criminal?

no as far as I know his actions thus far are legal

The answer to all of them is NO. The reason: there is no valid evidence for anything you've said. Obviously, you think all of these things are true. Please provide reasons why you believe that.

You could die hating him but he'll never go to jail because of your hate.
what a bunch of vile, repetitive right-wing, sore loser racists you are!

Posted by: Questionman at December 26, 2012 02:10 PM (aqat1)

269 what a bunch of vile, repetitive right-wing, sore loser racists you are!

Posted by: Questionman at December 26, 2012 06:10 PM (aqat1)

 

First off, President Obama's skin color has nothing to do with anything. Conservatives traditionally strongly dislike liberal politicians. Obama's getting no worse treatment from us than the very light-skinned Bill Clinton did--unless, of course, you count Bill Clinton as the Frst Black President.

 

Nothing illegal? Jack Ryan was Barack Obama's main obstacle to winning a US Senate seat. Jack and his ex-wife Jeri Ryan's sealed divorce records were somehow mysteriously unsealed and publicized prior to Ryan's formal announcement that he was running for the office. The unsealed records showed that Ryan had tried to talk his beautiful TV star wife into participating in threesomes, a revelation that instantly destroyed Jack Ryan's political career. As a result, Obama went up against Alan Keyes, of all people, and won the Senate seat handily.

 

Unsealing those sealed records is/was illegal. Knowingly facilitating the sale of  firearms to drug cartel straw buyers is illegal. Conducting pay-for-play arrangements with campaign bundlers via stimulus money sweetheart deals is illegal (see Solyndra scandal). Failing to prosecute a federal crime such as Obama campaign bundler John Corzine's 'loss' of one billion dollars of investor's money is illegal. Attempting to suborn a witness prior to giving congressional testimony (see LightSquared scandal) is a crime. And so on.

Posted by: troyriser at December 27, 2012 08:01 AM (vtiE6)

270 Dear Mr. Gregory, We have armed guards at most urban high and middle schools already. The students, their insane parents etc. have been known to start wars right in the middle of classes. So its necessary to protect ourselves. The only people you would be disarming are the folks that need to protect themselves against gang warfare and the crazy people. Why not include the elementary schools in that protection too? Do you really think a gang member is going to turn his weapons in the government? Has that worked in the War on Drugs? It doesn't seem that difficult to figure out. oh wait.....

Posted by: Ragnell at December 28, 2012 07:28 AM (vA9kU)

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