June 28, 2012
— DrewM After ObamaCare passed I wrote and open letter to the GOP, "Dear GOP: Fight".
Here's my letter to the GOP after today's events at the Supreme Court:
Dear GOP,
This is your last chance. If you blow this, I'm out and you need to be destroyed.
What is it? Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1. Don't worry about replace, don't worry about anything else. We will do everything we have to drag your sorry asses over the line this fall, including electing Mitt Fucking Romney.
In return this is what you will do:
Instead of adjourning for pictures and tea and cake to celebrate getting your pathetic asses elected to 2 or 6 years on the government teet, you will immediately pass a one line bill that says, "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (and whatever statute number has to be included) is hereby repealed."
That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since Congress meets before Inauguration Day, Obama will still be President. Simply hold the legislation at the desk so the 10 day pocket veto clock doesn't start. If other parliamentary BS is needed, just do it.
Then as soon as Mitt takes the oath of office, before his speech no one will care or remember, walk the bill up to him at the podium to sign.
If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it. We've tried the carrot approach (votes, money, volunteers) to change your behavior. Now it's time to show you the stick.
No more, "oh the other guys are worse" scare tactics. That might be true but it doesn't mean you are any good.
This is your one job, do it or join the Whig Party in the dustbin of history.
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Hahahaha! That's cute.....
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 03:07 PM (X6akg)
If I was Romney I'd have one of my lawyer friends write a simple bill that repeals the ACA and does nothing else. I'd then spend the next few months showing that bill to every group I spoke to, with the promise to send it to the House my first day in office and demand a vote within the week. I'd send copies to every R running for the House and the Senate and urge them to promise to vote to pass it when it arrives in their chamber.
Posted by: Fuloydo at June 28, 2012 03:08 PM (NUFSn)
Posted by: ejo at June 28, 2012 03:08 PM (HzC9j)
Posted by: California Conservative at June 28, 2012 03:09 PM (TZ/Pd)
Posted by: ejo at June 28, 2012 07:08 PM (HzC9j)
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There are no other hills, none.
Posted by: theworldisnotenough at June 28, 2012 03:10 PM (v2BZS)
Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 03:10 PM (Y1c/9)
I'd say "to your health", but you'll have to get on a waiting-list for that.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 03:10 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 03:10 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:11 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: William Barrett Travis, Alamo Commandant at June 28, 2012 03:11 PM (kqqGm)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 03:11 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Randall Hoven at June 28, 2012 03:11 PM (tyKPS)
Posted by: Meghan McCain, Real Republican at June 28, 2012 03:12 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Terry Silver, Cobra Kai Dojo at June 28, 2012 03:12 PM (CPX+P)
Posted by: theworldisnotenough at June 28, 2012 03:12 PM (v2BZS)
Repealing O-Care would be nice. But now that we have this horrible precedent. It's just a matter of time before we are bludgeoned with it again. Unless you think that once O-Care is gone Roberts might have a change of heart and overturn the next piece of Sh*t tax to comply bill that comes down the pike.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 03:13 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: George S. Patton, Noted WW II Badass at June 28, 2012 03:13 PM (kqqGm)
Note, I'm not saying EVERY GOP. I'm saying the Ruling Class Establishment which Romney and the Bushes came from. The group that has dictated the GOP's true direction, regardless of platforms since 1988. If they cannot show us that they are truly different from the Democrats, then the party needs to be blown to Kingdom Come. Period. Full Stop.
Posted by: Shawn at June 28, 2012 03:13 PM (/lltO)
Now he's telling us about Romney.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 03:13 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 03:14 PM (cvtEk)
Posted by: Bluto at June 28, 2012 03:14 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:15 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2012 03:15 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: John McCain at June 28, 2012 03:16 PM (QKKT0)
Roberts swears in Mitt, he turns, says "Thank you," and signs the repeal bill right there on the National Mall in front of tens of thousands.
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 03:16 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 03:16 PM (mO2XR)
Posted by: Patrick Gaspard at June 28, 2012 03:16 PM (MRYK8)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at June 28, 2012 03:16 PM (DmRus)
1. Obamacare passes the Supreme Court. Since it shocks pretty much everyone and is good for Obama, there's not much conflict the media can wring out of it -- not nearly as much as if it had been called unconstitutional.
2. Same day: House votes to hold Holder in contempt, with even some Democrat support.
3. Media has no real coverage to distract from #2.
4. This afternoon, Fox reports a shooting at a military base.
Exactly as I predicted...I was just off by a few days.
Posted by: fwiw at June 28, 2012 03:16 PM (B60j2)
Posted by: Wlliam T. Sherman, Note Civil War Badass at June 28, 2012 03:17 PM (kqqGm)
We're so f'n f&ked. The pundit pricks on "our" side the so-called (Laura Ingraham, Krauthammer, et al) need to STFU about replace.
The Dems showed just get the f ing thing done. Do the same.
Don't Punch Down!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 28, 2012 03:17 PM (IlAq7)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at June 28, 2012 03:17 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 03:17 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: Lady in Black at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (vOMX+)
We threw some money Mitt's way, the first we've given a candidate since the day McCain announced Sarah as his running mate. And we hated McCain.
My husband used to regularly donate to the RNC. No more.
We'll give to candidates we deem worthy. That's it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (UOM48)
Come on guys, we can't survive without a scapegoat !!
Posted by: The MBM at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (mO2XR)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (+usC4)
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Ideas? Don't use your fucking Blackberry!
No one gives a shit (especially today) that your Blackberry is acting up! Jesus Effn Christ on a stick!
(ahhh.. the booze is kickin' in!)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: David Brooks at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 03:18 PM (mO2XR)
It's the same fucking thing, isn't it? No point working for anything, it's all going to be taken from you by people who don't work.
I was feeling OK most of the day...sarcastic, gloomy, but now I'm ready to go slit my wrists. RIGHT OFF MY FUCKING PATIO.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 03:19 PM (hO8IJ)
30 It's a TAX!
It's an ENTITLMENT!
It's TWO (clack) TWO (clack) TWO laws in ONE !!
It's......FUBARcare!
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 03:19 PM (0T8H7)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (EiH7n)
Organizing civil disobedience is not our forte. Nor is breaking the law in trying to do more. We are going to suck this up meekly as always and keep going on, too comfortable and scared to do any damn thing about it. Freedom loving Americans are now a minority in our former country.
Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (UaxA0)
Posted by: wooga at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: Andrew Jackson, Noted War of 1812 Badass at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (kqqGm)
It's the same fucking thing, isn't it? No point working for anything, it's all going to be taken from you by people who don't work.
I was feeling OK most of the day...sarcastic, gloomy, but now I'm ready to go slit my wrists. RIGHT OFF MY FUCKING PATIO.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:19 PM (hO8IJ
Dammit, Heather. Obamabots most likely.
Today sucks ass.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: JDTAY at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (a0nis)
Posted by: Terry Silver, Cobra Kai Dojo at June 28, 2012 07:12 PM (CPX+P)"
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Now I ask you: where else can you go on the Internet to find people playing with Karate Kid III sock puppets?
*golf clap*
*wipes tears from eyes*
Thank you. I needed that.
Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (MBmtt)
Posted by: Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John "Maverick" Roberts at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (UOM4
Wine? You bring a fancy cabernet to the fight, I bring an Aquaman souvenir tumbler of cheap scotch.
Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 03:21 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at June 28, 2012 03:21 PM (DmRus)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 28, 2012 03:21 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:21 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 03:22 PM (YcTIW)
Posted by: George Washington, noted Revolutionary War Badass at June 28, 2012 03:22 PM (kqqGm)
Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 03:22 PM (T/L2Z)
Posted by: Move On yoursefl fucking Obama at June 28, 2012 03:22 PM (IlAq7)
Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 03:23 PM (Y1c/9)
Posted by: Lady in Black at June 28, 2012 03:23 PM (vOMX+)
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Oh, that's bullshit. Social cons are not going to be an impediment against repealing ObamaCare. if anyone, the squishes who LOVE gay marriage will be.
Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2012 03:23 PM (MBmtt)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 03:23 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:24 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Mon Mothma at June 28, 2012 03:24 PM (QKKT0)
Or anyone who's been a Democrat in the last 80 years. This whole concept of what other people produce should be taken away and given to you, just because you want it? FDR. LBJ. Obama's just building on the attitudes inculcated by their work.
(Wilson? I know he was a Fascist, but I don't know enough about his attitude toward redistribution.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 03:24 PM (hO8IJ)
Al Gore would've had us under a carbon cap and trade system by now.
But yeah, Bush was a disaster in every single area.
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 03:24 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 03:24 PM (i330i)
Have Justice Roberts declare it a combination F*king Iphone-Android. Then it should be work just fine.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 03:24 PM (0q2P7)
Good. I won't give 'em a cent, either. We don't need the Republican party. What we need are educated voters and politicians who are answerable to them.
I'm pissed off, but I'm not on the hopelessness train, either. The new media genuinely is changing the world. Things will get better.
Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (y15sM)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (qwK3S)
Once today's elite journalists and news analysts are reduced to clipping out coupons and shopping at garage sales, then a new party dedicated to constitutional freedoms, free markets, and limited government might have a chance
Posted by: kbdabear at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (Y+DPZ)
Mitt gets sworn in my Roberts, signs the repeal and then turns to Roberts and says Its constitutional, Bitch.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (caAEA)
48 Henceforth, it (meaning the law that ate America) should be called ObamaTaxCare....and it should be called that loud and often until it's drilled into every dumbass low info voter in all our 57 states.
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ObamaTaxCare.
Yeah. This one has the right ring to it.
It's better than just "ObamaTax" or "ObamaCareTax".....because "TaxCare" is a better descriptor of what it actually is.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (0T8H7)
Drew, that is pure poetry.
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (bMLFV)
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Ok, your pants could use some serious ironing.
Posted by: David Brooks at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (AUeaU)
We will do everything we have to drag your sorry asses over the line this fall, including electing Mitt Fucking Romney
well put, Drew.
let the vomiting commence
Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (bAsHU)
Posted by: Barakhenaten I at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (BIRhA)
Know how you feel.
But, you might not believe it - it's entirely probable it was goddamn squirrels.
They're almost as bad as baby puffins.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (Qxdfp)
Suck it!
Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Strategic Genius, Or Something at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (MBmtt)
Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (ucs8Y)
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I wonder if McCaskill and Manchin have changed their minds in light of the O-Care ruling. Will they now be in a mood to cheerlead Dear Leader in NC?
Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 03:25 PM (bxiXv)
Wilson signed the federal income tax into law.
And the Federal Reserve Bank, which isn't redistributive as you'd define it, but sucks enough to be mentioned every single time
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 03:26 PM (B/yDO)
You come off like you're trying holding the GOP hostage at gunpoint and hoping that Stockholm Syndrome takes effect before they decide to flip you both barrels and go have cocktails with Chief Justice Roberts. Why on Earth would Boehner or McConnell or a President Romney react positively to such profane, belligerent threats? Would you?
It's a Polish firing squad, Drew. A temper tantrum. You're never going to replace the GOP with anything remotely as viable. So if you follow through on your threat, you'll be surrendering the country once and for all to those who have driven it to the brink of fiscal destruction. You're advocating literal political and national suicide before O can deliver the coup de grace himself.
I thought the enemy was O and the Dems. You seem to be inordinately confused about it.
Posted by: JASmius at June 28, 2012 03:26 PM (uZCiN)
Posted by: DriveBy at June 28, 2012 03:26 PM (PqT4s)
Posted by: Lopinslow at June 28, 2012 03:26 PM (OXnPj)
Subdivision in Hendricks County, across the street from an elementary school so new it's not on Google Earth. Todd Rokita's district; he voted for the repeal in January so I assume he'll do it again in July.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 03:26 PM (hO8IJ)
We should be always interviewing, and never satisfied, and our rep should never feel comfortable.
*I said, GOOD candidates.
Posted by: lauraw at June 28, 2012 03:27 PM (DbybK)
Posted by: Sam Alito at June 28, 2012 03:27 PM (IlAq7)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 03:27 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: wth at June 28, 2012 03:27 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: JJstone at June 28, 2012 03:27 PM (gGzpT)
Posted by: King Putt at June 28, 2012 03:27 PM (B/yDO)
Yeah!
Posted by: the Whig Party at June 28, 2012 03:28 PM (uhAkr)
I know that was being pushed by Prohibitionists: most of the federal tax collected was on alcohol, and they couldn't ban it without replacing the revenue.
Fucking proggs, forcing their fucking ascetic lifestyle on everyone else.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 03:28 PM (hO8IJ)
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which is better—to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away, or by three thousand tyrants not a mile away?
Posted by: Dr. Byles at June 28, 2012 03:28 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Lopinslow at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM (OXnPj)
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Yeah, heard it was a murder-suicide.
http://tinyurl.com/7dbo6hg
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 03:28 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Hal Burton at June 28, 2012 03:29 PM (iYvMQ)
Based on the lightning-fast response on the SC ruling,
I think Romney actually gets it. He realizes his shot at election now hinges more on the demands of the right than reminding the late-bloomer voters about the economy. That he will be a one and done and lose.
If he doesn't... Whigs. All of them. Burn it down.
Posted by: CAC at June 28, 2012 03:29 PM (TkC13)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:29 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 03:29 PM (cvtEk)
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at June 28, 2012 03:29 PM (MBmtt)
Could you imagine getting through today's events with Prohibition still in place?
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 03:29 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Big T Party at June 28, 2012 03:29 PM (EhUTA)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (79EF9)
You've fucked pretty much everything up until now. The ball is in your court and there is no reason to think you won't fuck this up now even if you win in 2012. Continue to enjoy the lavish benefits of elected office while you trip over your own cocks at every step.
-Everyone with more than half a brain.
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (E0rp6)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (mO2XR)
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Yeah, and who are you gonna vote for anyway? Face it, you'll take what we give you and like it, teabagger.
Posted by: Boehner, McConnell, Romney at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Spicy Meatball at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (mxnUd)
Posted by: David Frum, Real Republican at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (Y+DPZ)
My lib sister will be on suicide watch, but since she no longer wants anything to do with me or D'oh (and our financial help), so be it.
I'm becoming a really cold bitch that way.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 03:32 PM (UOM48)
Actually, I should have said murder-attempted suicide. Looks like the shooter didn't succeed in killing himself.
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 03:32 PM (X6akg)
Probably more than that, because "everything" now covers everything uterine, and men have to be charged the same rates as women.
When I was shopping in WI a few years ago, the diff between "maternity covered" and not was $600/mo.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 03:32 PM (hO8IJ)
Here's a gem at random: But imposition of a tax nonetheless leaves an individual with a lawful choice to do or not do a certain act, so long as he is willing to pay a tax levied on that choice.
Hmm... $1M abortion tax?
If only we had legislators with a backbone, they could make the left regret Robert's treason. But...we don't.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 28, 2012 03:33 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:33 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:34 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 03:34 PM (5mx3x)
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 03:34 PM (TomZ9)
I never thought that. I always saw most other people as the enemy. That's why I am a royalist, or at least an oligarchist ("Republican", in the Roman sense).
We'll look at the oligarchic solution first. The legal way to make that happen is another Constitutional Convention. The aim of the new Constitution would be to disenfranchise everyone on Federal public assistance or employment, with exceptions for veteran service. (If Charlie Rangel ever leaves office, he still gets to vote. But his constituents don't.)
The "Atlas Shrugged" moment is coming, whoever wins in November. So we are going to lose our democracy whatever happens. I would rather lose to the military heroes and the gainfully employed in this country.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 03:34 PM (QTHTd)
That's why guns have to be banned at military bases, then donuts !!
Posted by: Nanny Bloomberg at June 28, 2012 03:34 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 03:34 PM (OL4L4)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 03:35 PM (EiH7n)
This is your last chance. If you blow this, I'm out and you need to be destroyed.
I appreciate the passion, but don't make threats you won't back up.
You won't back up this threat, I hope, because you'll conclude that you can change the GOP with a fraction of the effort it will take to launch a viable third party. (I'm assuming you want to remain viable. No one puts this much work every day into advancing the conservative cause to just give it up for symbolism.)
I've said it before and it really, really is true: It's incredibly easy to join and change the platform of your county GOP Committee, which shapes the opinions of the State GOP Committee. Or, just run for state committee. Move. Act. That matters.
Don't threaten to leave the party. Few will follow you and you will take yourself out of the game. Take the same passion and energy and push the GOP in the direction you want to go. It's not as dramatic as leaving, but it's more effective.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 03:35 PM (9KqcB)
Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 03:35 PM (QupBk)
Take a deep breath, go for a walk, read something, listen to some music.
I'm as sick as you, but over half my mind (and my whole heart) is in A-Stan.
I could easily go crazy, but I won't let myself.
You've always got the horde to vent with.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 03:35 PM (UOM48)
WE'RE ALL SOCIALISTS' NOW.
Yep, it sucks. Glad I'm old and the body is starting to fall apart so I won't have to watch my kids, grandkids have to live through this.
So, is there a big dumping ground for all the pudding the moron's bought to 'celebrate' this day?? <<ducking & running before I hit post...>
Posted by: myYbj at June 28, 2012 03:36 PM (myYbj)
Posted by: Sweep the leg at June 28, 2012 03:36 PM (lL8ls)
*blink* I was so fucking pissed off about my tomatoes, I forgot to open a beer for myself when I fed the cat. Got that fixed now.
I think I might be having the psychotic break SCOAMT was supposed to be having.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 03:36 PM (hO8IJ)
Jan: And we will overturn Obamacare! At least the bad parts! Whatever they are!
Feb: Meeting with McConnell, Boehner - Yeah, those teabaggers want to drop the whole thing. What the hell? What did Reid want? Ok I've got an idea.
Mar: And that's why I'm calling to remove elements X, Y, and Z
Apr: Reid filibustering this was such a surprise! Oh well, guess we need 60 Senators. Sorry guys! I did everything I could.
May 2013- Nov 2017: zzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by: 18-1 at June 28, 2012 03:37 PM (AUeaU)
Unfortunately I think God is softening us up for completely wrecking the US so we won't take it so hard when it's gone.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 03:37 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 07:35 PM (QupBk)
Let's not go overboard here.
Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 03:37 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Wisconsin Cyrin Dude at June 28, 2012 03:37 PM (mxnUd)
Posted by: Red at June 28, 2012 03:37 PM (7us0J)
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 03:38 PM (0VqvZ)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM
I'll do you one better. Yank their gold plated health plans and put them on the same Obamacare that the serfs have to buy.
Posted by: kbdabear at June 28, 2012 03:38 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 03:38 PM (Xb3hu)
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God, Jane right back at ya. Bless you and your son.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:38 PM (caAEA)
It may be not that the republican party needs to be destroyed. It is the major asshole/holes behind Oz's curtain.
What do you think about that Mr. Ace?
Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (EiH7n)
We have never pushed anyone to fix the border.
Name the last guy who lost an election for being border soft.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 03:38 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 03:39 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:39 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 03:39 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Red at June 28, 2012 07:37 PM (7us0J)
Well they get that way if you vote for the same kind of fellows so your liberal neighbors don't get mad at you.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 03:39 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 03:40 PM (bxiXv)
It maybe ineffectual but I will do whatever I can, large and small, to destroy the GOP if they don't get this done on Day 1.
We've been fighting this battle for 30 years to move the party.
What have we gotten for it? We've gone from Reagan to Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain and Romney. We've gone from Newt to Denny Hasteritt and now John Boehner. From Howard Baker alllll the way to Mitch McConnell.
We're not exactly making process.
The fact is, if ObamaCare survives or Romney replaces it with ObamaCare lite, there's very little to fight for. The die will be cast, we'll just be positioning ourselves for surviving the aftermath.
Even a candy ass RINO like me knows this is the last hill, it's time to fight. I'd rather fight and kill than fight and die.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 28, 2012 03:40 PM (sPao2)
Posted by: Clemenza at June 28, 2012 03:40 PM (qA9lG)
Posted by: Gabe's only thought at June 28, 2012 03:40 PM (56DAY)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 03:40 PM (5mx3x)
LEOs around here (mostly rural) suggest the installation of a vcr+camera (outdoor type).
Man, HR thumpin' justice would be an awesome watch on YouTube.
Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 03:41 PM (HjPtV)
At the state level: the people who ran against Pete Wilson and, these days, Jan Brewer. No, I don't recall their names either.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 03:41 PM (QTHTd)
This list would include what needs to be done to Right the Ship..State by State Politician by Politician , Law by Law.. All subcatagories to be apilicable to Morons of that state all National issues addressed by all Morons collectively.. A hot list of to do..
All the love Clemenza..
Posted by: Clemenza at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (qA9lG)
And maps....lots and lots of big colorful maps!
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 03:42 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 03:42 PM (cvtEk)
I was thinking landmines. Would also stop the neighbor's dog from pissing on my bushes.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 03:42 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2012 03:43 PM (nrW1y)
"154Do you one better. Demand that each justice who voted this shit in get removed by impeachment the first fucking week of the new session.
Then replace them all with guys like Mark Levin, Thomas Sowell, Hugh Hewitt, & John Hinderaker."
The first two - stellar choices.
Hinderaker, I don't know about.
But Hewitt was defending Roberts today. What an ignoramous.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 03:43 PM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: Jorge Gomez at June 28, 2012 03:43 PM (TwA2l)
Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 03:44 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 03:45 PM (5mx3x)
Posted by: Your Inner Voice at June 28, 2012 03:45 PM (a1oOO)
175.....Name the last guy who lost an election for being border soft.
McCain?
It was the reason why a lot of conservatives stayed home in 2008, and couldn't bring themsleves to vote for McCain.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 03:45 PM (0T8H7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 03:45 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 03:45 PM (OL4L4)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:46 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Denny at June 28, 2012 03:46 PM (C8FUI)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:46 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: Avi at June 28, 2012 03:46 PM (51xVX)
I'm pretty sure I'll be equally as thrilled if Romney repeals Obamacare on Day 30 as would be if he did it on Day 1. In fact, I can guarantee you it won't "happen" on Day 1, for the simple reason that the Senate trickery is going to take some time. (EX: If there was some remotely possible chance you could get to 60 votes for a full repeal, then it's worth taking the time to get there. Otherwise you CANNOT fully repeal Obamacare that way, you're going to have to torpedo the mandate via reconciliation and take down a number of other parts of it by gutting them via budget decisions and then maybe even hit the 'nuclear option' and do filibuster reform to get rid of more.)
That said, I'll agree with this much: if Romney wins and has a GOP Senate, there is literally no conceivable, forgivable reason for him not uprooting this stuff.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 03:47 PM (ogWsV)
Posted by: juan mccain at June 28, 2012 03:47 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 03:47 PM (mO2XR)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:47 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 03:48 PM (E0rp6)
Posted by: Fart at June 28, 2012 03:48 PM (9ck1y)
Posted by: Avi at June 28, 2012 03:48 PM (51xVX)
I've been trying to figure out what kind of Tax Roberts thinks this is?
Its not an income Tax. Its not a duty, or Excise Tax... and the Power of Congress to Tax under the Constitution is NOT absolute... and must be uniform throughout the US.... and must NOT give Religious exemptions...
So... Mr. Roberts (I will not call him Judge any Longer), just WHERE in the Constitution is this Power for Congress to put THIS Tax upon us?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 03:48 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Trippy at June 28, 2012 03:49 PM (SBULa)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:42 PM (hO8IJ)
Now would be a bad time to mention the Pizza Margarita I just slipped into the oven, wouldn't it?
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 03:49 PM (BIRhA)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 03:49 PM (jN/Z/)
Just nitpicking here, because the overall point stands, but let me be clear: Denny Hastert was a criminal and a traitor who should've been hung on the National Mall.
I also happen to like Cryin' Boehner. He's not the problem to me. McConnell, OTOH . . .
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 03:49 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:50 PM (caAEA)
Looks like his Romney Derangement Syndrome was more severe than I thought.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 03:50 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: HeatherRadish
I thought you were farther north. You had a picture of a NIPSCO plant on lake Michigan on your blog so I thought you lived in that area.
Posted by: myYbj at June 28, 2012 03:50 PM (myYbj)
"203FWIW, the 112th Congress came to order in the House on Jan 5, 2011. On Jan 7, 2011, after two days of housekeeping votes to adopt the Rules and reduce the salaries and expenses of Member, committee, and leadership offices, the House passed HR 26, 236-181.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.res.00026:
The purpose of HR 26 was to repeal Obamacare, and instruct relevant committees to begin coming up with replacements for its various elements."
And . . . ?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Who thinks July 9th's vote will mean anything but symbolic and weak at that?
Anyway, if they really wanted to make a symbolic statement, they should be staying in town and voting for our freedoms on July 4th. Get every single one of them on the record, now that the clusterfark of a Chief Justice has spoken.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 03:50 PM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 03:50 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (mO2XR)
LOL. That Libertarian electoral juggernaut. Wouldn't voting down the bill be using force?
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 03:50 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 03:51 PM (46qC3)
Posted by: Spicy Meatball at June 28, 2012 03:51 PM (mxnUd)
You mistakenly place the insurance business and the healthcare business in a single category.
The US healthcare system is fine. All it needs is to be structured as a free market by getting rid of the broken concept of health insurance for non-catastrophic need.
Does you car insurance cover oil changes and pay for your gas? Does the insurance on your home put groceries in the fridge and make sure your pictures are hanging straight?
Of course not. So why do we go through a third party for non-catastrophic medical care? Why do we accept a system that makes it impossible to get real numbers as to what anything involved really costs? The only reliable system for pricing a good or service has been the free market. Why have we almost completely removed it from healthcare?
Frankly, I'm all for turning the healthcare system into a train wreck ASAP. We've spent so many decades breaking it. Why wait any longer? Lets burn it down so we can build anew.
Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 03:51 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Ronster at June 28, 2012 03:51 PM (mHC3R)
Or he could just have the new Secretary of the Treasury order the IRS not to enforce the law.
Precedence has been set
Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 03:51 PM (Yhu4q)
Good one, DrewM.
It just so happens we have a party that's influencing elections nationwide in just two short years, is a true grassroots organization with no national bosses to screw things up, and it even has a name already. It has a winning track record in a recent election and has made history already.
The shift in power has begun to shift the Pubbies in a more conservative direction thanks to the Tea Party.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 03:51 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:49 PM (BIRhA)
Pouring a Margarita on a Pizza ruins both the drink and the Pizza.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 03:51 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:46 PM (caAEA)
We're sorry Sir, but Speach is now an Act. And the Roberts Court said we can Tax or not Tax, Acts...
So we must increase your income Tax by 200% for this violation of the Speach Act.
Pay up Sir, after all, its a Tax, not a penalty.
Posted by: New IRS at June 28, 2012 03:52 PM (lZBBB)
Obama is black, true; worse, he chose to be black. Blacks are overwhelmingly of the opinion that they need free stuff and that it should be whites paying for it. If it were just the white vote in 2008, we'd be living out a McCain / Palin administration - not great, and still quite socialist, but MUCH better than what we got now. So, that much, #163 got right.
Still, eventually the whites would be corrupted too. It's already happening (Murray, "Coming Apart"). White corruption is what brought democracy, and Labour, and the NHS, and failure to my home country Great Britain. THAT's where you stand to shoot down comments like #163.
It begins and ends with democracy, the one political system of antiquity which proved itself a failure everywhere it was tried.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 03:52 PM (QTHTd)
It's nice to know in a topsy-turvey world where John Roberts upholds ObamaCare there are constants like you being an ass.
The point, I don't want "repeal" to be held up for months while they figure out what "replace" is going to be. Mostly I don't want any "replace" but that's a different matter.
The bottom line is we've tried rewarding and cajoling the GOP. It's time for some people to try the stick approach.
The GOP is deathly afraid of losing swing voters, it's time they fear their base more.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 28, 2012 03:52 PM (sPao2)
We want the House to repeal it on Day 1.
The Senate sucks, we all know that.
But Romney can also issue EOs on Day 1 to effectively repeal the most objectionable parts of the bill
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 03:52 PM (B/yDO)
Looks like his Romney Derangement Syndrome was more severe than I thought.
Yeah, it's kind of....disconcerting. Like watching a friend suddenly fall victim to dementia. On the other hand it's worth pointing out that The Obama Years have driven a lot of good men to the edge of sanity. Me, I'm just a Zen master by comparison.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 03:53 PM (ogWsV)
I'm getting to where I don't care about them anymore. If the US doesn't want to wake up and be free at this point it doesn't deserve to be.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 03:53 PM (0q2P7)
Don't blame the GOP. They fought O-care tooth and nail. Not a one of them voted for it.
The thing that annoys the hell out of me about all this "last chance GOP" stuff is that in a two party system the result of that is more Democrats in office. I heard this same shit in 2006 after 6 years of W and Mark Foley and all the spending the Administration forced them into. And what did we get? Nancy Pelosi as speaker. Then in 2008, Bush fatigue gave Obama the supermajority Senate.
Fight your ideological battle in the primary, but after that line up to beat a Democrat. I figure all we needed to beat back ACA in the House was 4 more GOP members in 2009 (maybe not even that many.) It never would have come to today's ruling. Sometimes holding your nose has its benefits.
Posted by: CausticConservative at June 28, 2012 03:53 PM (gT3jF)
Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 03:53 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Psychic Surgeon at June 28, 2012 03:54 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 03:54 PM (OL4L4)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:54 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:54 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Courtesy Flush at June 28, 2012 03:54 PM (sw9Gv)
Posted by: DC in Towson at June 28, 2012 03:54 PM (N/WI2)
Posted by: Denny at June 28, 2012 03:54 PM (C8FUI)
So will slug pellets.
You have to be a Fucking Scumbag to suggest giving a dog heavy metal poisoning..
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 03:54 PM (BIRhA)
Posted by: rukiddingme? at June 28, 2012 03:55 PM (MbeEN)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 28, 2012 03:55 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Spicy Meatball at June 28, 2012 03:55 PM (mxnUd)
Posted by: Gregc at June 28, 2012 03:56 PM (qYmZU)
Posted by: jwpaine at June 28, 2012 03:56 PM (FUozQ)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 03:57 PM (jts1f)
...but, but John "Maverick" Roberts saved us from allowing the Dems to bastardize the commerce clause to force us to engage in any activity the government wants us to.
We dodged the fucking bullet there, didn't we?
Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 03:57 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (46qC3)
This is the next and most important step. We've been given sort of a gift today, with an election right around the corner, to make it a lot easier to drive some of these Dems out of the Senate.
Posted by: CausticConservative at June 28, 2012 03:57 PM (gT3jF)
The point, I don't want "repeal" to be held up for months while they figure out what "replace" is going to be. Mostly I don't want any "replace" but that's a different matter.
Okay, this actually makes a lot more sense. Fair enough. I disagree, though. The fact that you don't want any "replace" (regardless of what it is) whatsoever comes across as knee-jerk foolishness, especially because everybody here on the Right seems to convenient forget just how utterly fucked-up and broken the healthcare system was before Obamacare made it 20 times worse. Furthermore, as a political matter we DAMN WELL BETTER be able to go to the masses -- and not just "swing voters" but big segments of the "base" as well, or else they'll soon start becoming "swing voters" -- and say "hey, we're doing [X], that's a better answer!" Nobody wants some massive government plan, but portability and/or tort reform would be a great start. Shit, I'd love to unmoor health care from employer system altogether, but me, I'm a radical in that sense.
Oh, and c'mon Drew: if I'm not around making an ass of myself, this blog would probably spin off its fucking axis. I'm the ballast for the Moron Ship of Fools here. Y'all would tip over sideways if not for me!
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 03:58 PM (ogWsV)
Posted by: old glazier at June 28, 2012 03:58 PM (Iz6HE)
It maybe ineffectual but I will do whatever I can, large and small, to destroy the GOP if they don't get this done on Day 1.We've been fighting this battle for 30 years to move the party.
Postd by: DrewM. at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (sPao2)
I hear you. I've been actively involved in that fight for half of those years. But I always fall back on my favorite Milton Friedman quote:
"The same Congressman will vote for a different thing if he feels itÂ’s politically profitableÂ….The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things."
If we donÂ’t have the party we want, itÂ’s our fault. The Dems face the same equation, itÂ’s just easier for them: Promise that government will do more. Always. Forever. I could run on that every two years and win.
The GOP, has to fight that tide and then turn the ship around. We need to convince a LOT more Americans of that before weÂ’re going to get politicians lining up to do our bidding.
We'll get the GOP we want when we make it politically profitable for them do as we wish. You don't get that by exiting the game, you get that by winning the battle of ideas. We're getting there. This court ruling means nothing in regards to that.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 03:59 PM (9KqcB)
Posted by: mama winger at June 28, 2012 03:59 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 03:59 PM (OL4L4)
i just don't think it's enough -- and no, before you ask, i don't really have many answers. just pontificating from the armchair, here. 
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:59 PM (79EF9)
"258Wanna get pissed...listen to Levin...en fuego! Roberts is a total douche...and a fool!"
Levin never minces words.
Would that our politicians had 1/10 of his guts. AND he backs it up with action - his Landmark Legal Foundation.
He reminds me of my dad (may he rest in peace.)
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 03:59 PM (Ks0w4)
Sent in the $$ for Romney last week and have stickers on the cars. Now it is time to cough up a bit for George Allen in Virginia.
Allen sometimes gets a bad rap, but I remember when he was governor he took on the EPA in the Clinton Administration and won. Sounds like a fight we need to do on a national level now.
His opponent is Tim Kaine, former DNC Chair when the Obamacare nightmare was being passed. Never forget that.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 28, 2012 03:59 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 04:00 PM (R5yLq)
Lol.
At least they didn't break in and steal my bacon, right? I can just skip the whole "BLT" concept and eat it straight off the pan.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 04:00 PM (hO8IJ)
Supreme Court nominations really have proven to be exceptionally tricky for Republican Presidents. The vetting process definitely needs an overhaul. Help me fellow morons, give me your suggestions for the metrics to be used in making future nominations.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 04:00 PM (jN/Z/)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 04:00 PM (caAEA)
Posted by: CanaDave at June 28, 2012 04:00 PM (OZfrM)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 04:00 PM (UOM48)
Oh, and c'mon Drew: if I'm not around making an ass of myself, this blog would probably spin off its fucking axis. I'm the ballast for the Moron Ship of Fools here. Y'all would tip over sideways if not for me!
What do you say we give it a try for 6 months and see what happens?
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 04:00 PM (BIRhA)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 28, 2012 04:01 PM (nZvGM)
Yeah, but this was more like an own goal.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 04:01 PM (HtUdo)
Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 04:01 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (jN/Z/)
Hates Washington D.C, social life, and cocktail parties. Likes killing animals with powerful weapons.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:01 PM (z1N6a)
At least they didn't break in and steal my bacon, right? I can just skip the whole "BLT" concept and eat it straight off the pan.
Low Carbs!
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 04:01 PM (BIRhA)
Oh well....
Posted by: Courtesy Flush at June 28, 2012 07:58 PM (sw9Gv)
Boy, that's no kidding.
Posted by: me at June 28, 2012 04:02 PM (4TRll)
The good news is there's lots of high paying jobs in Australia if you got skilz, and it seems like a pretty decent place generally, with an economic outlook vastly superior to the shit storm that's going to hit the USA no matter who gets elected. Australia is a country that's not afraid to exploit its natural resources.
I just passed the online Australian citizenship practice test on the first go. It takes 4 years of residency before you can apply, and the fees are nominal.
Like the song says, you gotta know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 04:02 PM (Qnu0v)
"266
Pass the repeal now, Harry wont let it near the floor of the Senate.
Have someone ask Clair, Nelson, Tebin, Tester, etc if they will vote for
it at every whistlestop."
Would you put it past them to lie about it? They're not that stupid.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 04:02 PM (Ks0w4)
it's tough to have a well-functioning free market when you have consumers who are unwilling to actually exchange anything for the healthcare they receive...presumably at the expense of consumers who DO pay.
You know who's fault this REALLY is? Ronald fuckin' Reagan's, that's who. Goddamned EMTALA, it all begins with him signing that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 04:02 PM (ogWsV)
254 Since when did New Orleans get a friggin basketball team?
Since about 10 years ago.
Except for the two years after Katrina, when they were in OKC.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 04:02 PM (0T8H7)
They account for about 5% of expenditures. Surely we could have found a solution for that without fucking over everyone who pays their bills (or gets their bills paid by the government already).
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 04:02 PM (hO8IJ)
Yeah, but this was more like an own goal.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (HtUdo)
Soccer metaphors are ManCard violations.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:02 PM (z1N6a)
Don't worry, son, pretty soon you'll all have as long as you want and more.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 04:03 PM (ogWsV)
Yes, as long as it's a tax, not a fine.
Posted by: CJ Roberts at June 28, 2012 04:03 PM (HtUdo)
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at June 28, 2012 04:03 PM (tLVmI)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 04:03 PM (5mx3x)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 04:03 PM (Qnu0v)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 04:04 PM (caAEA)
"But good lucking convincing about 30% of our party that Obamacare takes priority over gay marriage."
Obamacare funds abortions. You think us SoCons aren't going to dance on its grave? Think again, spanky.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 28, 2012 04:04 PM (ZMzpb)
Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 04:04 PM (Y1c/9)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (5mx3x)
I thought the cannons firing on Ft Sumter did that.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:04 PM (z1N6a)
It took roughly 90 years to get us to the point we're at now; it's not going to be reversed in 90 hours, days or even months. Certainly not in the course of a single election. And there's nothing the GOP can do about it.
For all the bitching (in many cases, completely justified) we do about the GOP and Washington Insider Elites, the problem lies in our own collective mirrors. Why are they talking about "repeal and replace" instead of just "repeal"? Because they answer to an electorate that wants something done about our health care system, which few believe can't stand improvement.
Why do these politicians cower at the mention of entitlement reform despite the impending Doom? Because of the voters who put them in office. It's easy to say "just do the right thing and don't worry about re-election", but what then? They get replaced by liberals who turn around and undo whatever they did.
Ranting at the GOP as if they were some all powerful cabal only lacking will to wave their magic wand to fulfill our demands is short sighted and ignorant of reality. Change isn't going to come from the top down, it will only come from the bottom up, and that will take time. Lots of it.
Definitely keep on their assess about spending and the like, but in the end it'll be voters who change the minds of politicians, not politicians who change the minds of voters.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 04:05 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (z1N6a)
Hockey metaphor. Only democrats like watching soccer.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 04:05 PM (HtUdo)
Yea, the penalty is death due to treatment rationing.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 04:05 PM (Qnu0v)
Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2012 04:05 PM (TgZVh)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 04:05 PM (79EF9)
No you're right. We need to remember that if we play ball we can negotiate for a little felt on those shackles, maybe some burlap if money is tight. But at least the GOP can make sure they don't chafe our ankles too much.
No you are absolutely fucking right--we need to get with the program and support the GOP because a slow enslavement spread over a few years is far better than the auction block we got today.
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 04:05 PM (kSaUf)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 04:06 PM (5mx3x)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 28, 2012 08:04 PM (ZMzpb)
There's always a reason to distance yourself from the base of the party. The most amusing is when the so-called economic libertarians flee the Tea Party because some go to church on Sunday.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:06 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (caAEA)
Not your call...the gubmint will decide what and how much health care you receive...therein lies the rub
Posted by: rukiddingme? at June 28, 2012 04:07 PM (MbeEN)
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 04:07 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Slapchop Guy at June 28, 2012 04:08 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Allahp*ssy at June 28, 2012 04:08 PM (ZETiK)
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (HtUdo)
You obviously didn't read sports news websites during the Tim Thomas episode.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 04:08 PM (BBlzg)
Does that make me a PUMA artificially inflating O's numbers in those polls just to crush him on 11/6?
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 04:08 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 04:08 PM (I/Xad)
Kennedy?
Truman?
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (B/yDO)
Probably FDR just before the Packed the Courts.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:09 PM (z1N6a)
Liberal loons everywhere are weeping.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 04:09 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 04:09 PM (OL4L4)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 04:09 PM (bxiXv)
Yeah, but this was more like an own goal.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (HtUdo)
Soccer metaphors are ManCard violations.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (z1N6a)
I know the metaphor you want.
Posted by: Jim Marshall at June 28, 2012 04:10 PM (TgZVh)
That's why I've been furiously researching suitable alternatives today. America has crossed the Rubicon.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 04:10 PM (Qnu0v)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (I/Xad)
Ineffectual threats are a waste. Putting in good candidates can work, going off to nowhere never can.
Wasn't "Purity" a bad word around here just a few weeks ago?
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:10 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 08:04 PM (Y1c/9)
Just to be clear, in case you were referring to my post, I spoke of the importance of getting on your county GOP committee. They are the ones who endorse candidates. Get on one. Now.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (9KqcB)
Finally.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (UOM48)
"We'll get the GOP we want when we make it politically profitable for them do as we wish."
As if tax paying citizens can "make" it profitable, politically or economically, to force corrupt politicians who hold the federal tax purse strings and the full force of the federal government to forfeit easy pickings and halt authoritarian abuses of power.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (ZUg4j)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (mO2XR)
free-market heath-care always sounds nice until you account for all the free-loaders
They account for about 5% of expenditures. Surely we could have found a solution for that without fucking over everyone who pays their bills (or gets their bills paid by the government already).
-----
I thought they were AREADY accounted for in the fact that if a hospital provides the care for free they get to pay no taxes, and the goverment will probably even foot the bill. So no solution needed n that. It was solved.
Posted by: Hal Burton at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 04:11 PM (d6QMz)
Applying the brakes once you've driven off a cliff is kinda pointless.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 04:12 PM (Qnu0v)
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (tLVmI)
As the Nine Star COMSUBPAC leader, I commend you on your commendations and further commend you on the other things you talked about as well.
I look forward to connecting with you on LinkedIn so that we can, together, make a difference.
Posted by: ErikW at June 28, 2012 04:12 PM (Vzm9f)
I won't give you another F-ing dime unless you grow a pair.
Fire firefighter/medic. Now a flight nurse sup.
Posted by: Medic/vet at June 28, 2012 04:12 PM (jBsSU)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:09 PM (OL4L4)
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No. But how does that change anything now? The horse has already left the barn.
Posted by: mama winger at June 28, 2012 04:12 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 04:13 PM (mO2XR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 04:13 PM (eoFv8)
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 04:13 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 04:14 PM (5mx3x)
He won't have to call it a tax. They can let SCOTUS do that after the fact. The 52% won't grasp the nuances and will fall for it again and again. Obamacare, rinse and repeat.
Posted by: Mayday at June 28, 2012 04:14 PM (F3s39)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (Qnu0v)
I enjoy Cricket too. However, I'm wondering where people could reasonably move that would be freer than here.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 04:15 PM (BBlzg)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 04:15 PM (mO2XR)
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 04:15 PM (ZUg4j)
That shouldn't ever have been a consideration. The ruling should have been only about the law and the Constitution.
(And someone should have loved me when I was young, and I should have gotten a unicorn for Christmas when I was eight, I know, I know.)
And SCOAMT already hated them, and lied about them to their faces during that one SOTU, to score political points...this won't change his opinion or the way he operates one bit.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 04:15 PM (hO8IJ)
Now that thats out of the way. We're going to need that 401k. Something came up.
Oh, and join a union so I don't haff ta tax you for not.
Posted by: SCoaMF at June 28, 2012 04:15 PM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 04:16 PM (I/Xad)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 04:16 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (d6QMz)
Don't really care why he did. If there are parts of the judgement we can use as a weapon, use em. The rest, throw out.
The Republicans in 1857 told Taney to pound sand when he judged their entire platform unconstitutional. They won.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:16 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Carville's Worst Nightmare at June 28, 2012 04:16 PM (8J9h2)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:09 PM (OL4L4)
Is Obamacare Constitutional or not? That is the question. If it is, then John Roberts was wrong. He isn't there to play political games. He isn't Karl Rove or David Axelrod. Forgive me for being hoplessly naive, but I am still clinging to this idea that Roberts was sworn in to defend the Constitution, and nothing else.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 04:16 PM (cbNaC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 04:17 PM (bxiXv)
Clemenza
National
Secure borders
Repeal Obamacare / ACA
Defund Dept of Education
Bill defining CO2 as non pollutant and not to be controlled by EPA
Replace TSA with Airport controlled private screeners
Minnesota
Stand your ground bill
Wisconsin Reforms
My $0.02
Posted by: rd at June 28, 2012 04:17 PM (9sUlj)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 04:17 PM (OL4L4)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (Qnu0v)
I enjoy Cricket too. However, I'm wondering where people could reasonably move that would be freer than here.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (BBlzg)
Aussie Rules Football is a nice sport.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:17 PM (z1N6a)
He is none of those. In this ruling he has hit a home run. He has been swinging for the fences his whole \presidency. His batting average may not be great but he has done what he set out to do; fundamentally changed America.
He is not a fool but he is a socialist and a dirtbag.
Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 04:17 PM (FU9ql)
I'm not ignorant of soccer, I've been streaming a lot of Bayern and Deutschland games lately, but in this country it's something little girls do so their mothers can meet other mothers to drink with.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 04:17 PM (hO8IJ)
I must be an outlier.
I am a teacher.
I've lived in Europe (well, England).
I practically have a Ph.D. and live in a university town.
I LOVE soccer (real football).
I am conservative.
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (ZUg4j)
Don't try to argue too hard with some folks here on soccer. Even if you are a hardcore right winger, if you like Soccer, your "Ghey" to them.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 04:18 PM (BBlzg)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 07:58 PM (ogWsV)
Here's the thing....I'm a conservative. I don't think a massive federally designed health plan, whether in one big shot or a bunch of smaller bills that will inevitably grow is a proper function of the national government.
YMMV.
There's also a practical objection. You may not have noticed but when the federal government creates massive wealth transfer entitlements, things don't go well.
So no, I'm not up for an economy busting, freedom sapping, quality reducing replacement.
You want my "replace" program? Here you go:
1- Do away with the tax advantages of employer programs
2- Allow for sales across state lines.
And.....scene.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 28, 2012 04:18 PM (sPao2)
Ironic that Roberts engaged in activism to avoid the appearance of activism, no?
...and it's his reputation that he only gives a shit about. There'll be adoring photos of Maverick Roberts on the covers of Time, Newsweek, etc for weeks to come
Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 04:18 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 04:18 PM (ZUg4j)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (hO8IJ)
I have played soccer, and it is boring. The absurd playacting they do these days to draw fouls is even more disgraceful.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:19 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 04:19 PM (caAEA)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47999553
Posted by: mama winger at June 28, 2012 04:19 PM (P6QsQ)
363Could we please stop calling our Jackass in Chief a failure and a fool.
He is none of those. In this ruling he has hit a home run. He has been swinging for the fences his whole \presidency. His batting average may not be great but he has done what he set out to do; fundamentally changed America.
Obama as Mr. October.....let's make sure he ain't Mr. November.
Posted by: Reggie Jackson at June 28, 2012 04:19 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 04:19 PM (zrpqj)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 04:19 PM (OL4L4)
Posted by: SCoaMF at June 28, 2012 04:19 PM (iYvMQ)
Sorry.Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 04:19 PM (mO2XR)
In order to be a Saint, you must have THREE Miracles.... and I hereby submit Benjamin Franklin for Sainthood!
Miracle 1: Making Lightning Strike where he wanted!
Miracle 2: Using Air Baths (walking around Paris Naked) and Coonskin Caps to get the French on our side during the Revolution! And the French Actualy FOUGHT!
Miracle 3: Prophecy.... 'a Republic Ma'am, if you can keep it'
Posted by: Rome13 at June 28, 2012 04:20 PM (lZBBB)
believes he has an obligation to protect the Court's reputation.
Then his first step should have been to criticize Kagan last year for not recusing herself.
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 04:20 PM (BIRhA)
Dunt matter.
Get a crayon and write my congressman?
Wunt matter.
Pitchforks and Torches?
hmm...
Posted by: JavaJoeX at June 28, 2012 04:20 PM (bbk1i)
YMMV
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Not that there is anything else to do but, I still can't recommend this highly enough at this point.
Figure by the ONT you'll need a suit rated for space exploration to wade in.
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 04:20 PM (kSaUf)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 04:21 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (zrpqj)
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They did. - A couple, according to Levin, and neither of them allows for this type of tax..
Posted by: SCoaMF at June 28, 2012 04:21 PM (iYvMQ)
376The 401k's. Those are just too much money to entrust to individuals and corporate jet owners. We'll handle it from here. Thanks.
this one scares me to death.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 28, 2012 04:21 PM (l3vZN)
As if tax paying citizens can "make" it profitable, politically or economically, to force corrupt politicians who hold the federal tax purse strings and the full force of the federal government to forfeit easy pickings and halt authoritarian abuses of power.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (BAnPT)
"Politically profitable" means the politician calculates what will get him enough votes to be re-elected. That's all the vast majority of them want. They just want to remain in office. If it means spending more tax dollars, they'll do it. If the majority of voters want them to spend fewer tax dollars, they'll do that.
The vast majority of the billions of dollars raised for campaigns goes right back into 30 second spots to win...votes. If you really think the game is rigged to such an extent, then there's nothing to say. About anything. Game over. But don't delude yourself into thinking hidden, sinister forces are keeping us from the conservative GOP we want. It's just us. We haven't won the support of enough Americans, but we're getting there.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 04:21 PM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (zrpqj)
Its already IN the Constitution. Excise, Imposts, Dutys, capitated Taxes, and INCOME Taxes... That is...
What Tax this fits into? I'm trying to figure out.
Posted by: Rome13 at June 28, 2012 04:21 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 04:21 PM (eoFv8)
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (z1N6a)
There's playacting in every sport and you know that. That's the fault of the player not the sport. I don't like Baseball, but I don't tear down the sport.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 04:22 PM (BBlzg)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 04:22 PM (mO2XR)
In a word, bullshit.
We can deal with the free rider problem. It's just another entitlement issue that needs to be addressed if the nation is not sink under debt. This is why I'm all for burning ti down and letting it be rebuilt from the ground up. Force people to confront the problem instead of allowing them to think of it as an abstract issue being argued far, far away.
Will a bunch of people die for lack of medical intervention? Yep. Guess what? That is going to happen anyway on the course we're following and possibly on a greater scale.
The confrontation has to happen. This isn't a self-contained issue. The free rider issue in my part of the country is really an illegal immigration issue. Make the swelling Latino voter base deal with the fact they can have ERs open throughout LA County or they can have their entire extended family smuggled in. They cannot have both. One breaks the other.
This is why the GOP is a failure. Instead of embracing the image of the parent who can say no, they've become obsessed with wanting to be loved. Those who've successfully bred and raised humans to functional adulthood know they cannot make it there without the kid claiming to hate them occasionally, especially in the teen years. Pleasant? No. Necessary? Extremely. There are a few exceptional kids but most need some attitude adjustment before the job is done.
A critical issue is to confront the nonsensical belief that medical care is somehow different than other goods and services. It isn't. The more the government gets involved the more broken the business gets. Imagine what a desktop computer would cost if that business suffered as much government interference as healthcare. There probably wouldn't be such a thing as a desktop PC, for starters. What government bureaucrat would perceive a need for such?
When government hands out candy it is guaranteed to turn out to be stuff you'd never buy with your own money and a choice. The people who line up for a free dollop of mediocrity drag down many others with them. The law needs to change to free us of this.
Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 04:23 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 04:23 PM (jts1f)
Woman after my own heart.
That result today did NOT help me get over this morning's clusterfuck
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 04:24 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: gonzotx at June 28, 2012 04:24 PM (3izs/)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 04:25 PM (eoFv8)
I've been resisting the urge to join the Purity Brigade™ for a long time, but fuck it, I'm there dude. Trying to play chess against an opponent who is playing while swinging a baseball bat and simply suggest we play chess harder and fairer is for losers.
I'm tired of losing. Who do I see to enlist in the Purity Brigade?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 04:25 PM (rX1N2)
Mostly Mediterranean cultures. Not coincidentally, they're the freeloaders that have crashed the Euruo
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 04:25 PM (B/yDO)
We have to do it at all levels to really make changes.
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (OL4L4)
Just do it in your county. If you want to run for state committee, do that. You know what normally determines who is elected to state committee (they endorse statewide candidates)? Ballot position. Those on top win.
If the Ron Paul folks could do it, anyone can. You just have to get off your ass.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 04:25 PM (9KqcB)
One last chance. Or I will have strong words for you. OK, maybe two more last chances. Three at the most.
Posted by: bloviator at June 28, 2012 04:25 PM (wmBEv)
Posted by: Drider at June 28, 2012 04:25 PM (PsHkt)
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 04:26 PM (ZUg4j)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 04:26 PM (XvHmy)
Just got off FB from a 40 comment thread. The person who posted it said that today's ruling is a win for the US. I think I and a couple of other people made good points, but the stupid and the Consitution hatred was rampant.
Right now, even if we repeal Ocare, I don't have much faith that this country will remain free. The public education system, under the NEA, in this country has done the job it set out to do.
Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2012 04:26 PM (fM7Wq)
Worse than the NBA, which is saying something.
I don't grok this "you can only hate something because you're ignorant" thing (which is total proggspeak...haven't we been told for two years that we only hate "A[sic]CA" because we're ignorant of how wonderful it is?!). Hate also springs from understanding.
Imagine if the 19th century abolitionists had been admonished as ignorant H8rs, because they didn't like human beings being considered property.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 04:26 PM (hO8IJ)
If someone isn't publicly living and breathing conservatism, they will be liberal squishes like your presidential nominee.
Posted by: Valiant at June 28, 2012 04:27 PM (aFxlY)
I don't like Baseball, but I don't tear down the sport.
That's because baseball isn't gay. It'd be too hard for you.
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 04:27 PM (BIRhA)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at June 28, 2012 04:27 PM (KSjsb)
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (z1N6a)
There's playacting in every sport and you know that. That's the fault of the player not the sport. I don't like Baseball, but I don't tear down the sport.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:22 PM (BBlzg)
The basic issue in Soccer is that scoring is so low that either nothing happens or if a fluke gives a goal to one side the lead is insurmountable. Having every game end by using a different sport to produce a result (which is what Penalty kicks essentially are) makes no more sense in having the QBs play checkers in OT to decide a football game.
Soccer needs, like hockey, to get scoring up to the 4-5 goals per game when two good teams play, rather than the 0-2 goals we get now. That way flukes, or bad calls, have a chance to be overcome.
I also think the "I don't know how much time is left in the half" is pretty stupid. Its the 20th century, put the real time up there. But that is niggling.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:29 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Popular Mechanics at June 28, 2012 04:29 PM (IoNBC)
Either way, all day a quote from Cu Chi has been running around and around in my head.
Grunt: Light? I'm up to my ass in fucking tunnels and there ain't No Damned Light.
Posted by: Pecos at June 28, 2012 04:29 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: Drider at June 28, 2012 04:30 PM (PsHkt)
Posted by: Zombie Zachary Tayler at June 28, 2012 04:30 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 04:30 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 04:30 PM (Qnu0v)
The ruling is worse than Obamacare.
Repealing Obamacare is now the lesser of two problems.
If we do that, Roberts has still "given" the government the power to steal your house because it's not environmentally friendly (or penalize you if you don't eat broccoli, as they pointed out during deliberations).Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 04:30 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 04:30 PM (caAEA)
410
It's similar to our collective subservience to political correctness. We hate it, and we complain about it, but nothing consequential every gets done to change it.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 04:30 PM (cbNaC)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (hO8IJ)
um...they were.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:31 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Vivian Louise at June 28, 2012 04:32 PM (zbp4O)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 04:32 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Zombie Zachary Tayler at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (XvHmy)
The whigs weren't a party --- they were two parties. The Anti Democrats in the North and the South. In the South, they were more pro Slavery than the Dems, in the North, anti-Slavery. Not having a position they could hold on the big issue of the day was a critical flaw.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:33 PM (z1N6a)
>> Roberts has still "given" the government the power to steal your house because it's not environmentally friendly
They probably already had that power.
I'm angry about this ruling, but I don't see it as anything really new. Another day, another federal power grab. Thanks a bunch, Dubya.
Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2012 04:33 PM (y15sM)
Posted by: MrHobbit at June 28, 2012 04:34 PM (sbaXF)
LOL! You're not going to get the white house! Your ideas are too shitty! You're motivated by beating one man, that's all. We're motivated by progressive policies that make life better for ALL people!
You're only interest is SOME people. The only thing you got right is what you said about the Whigs. That is indeed where you're heading...
What happened to your Tea Party revolution that took over and changed the party once already? What happened to that? You elected a bunch uneducated, ill-informed chumps that would make Bill Buckley want to kill himself if he were still alive, that's what you did.
*Kill the terrorist the previous president was "no longer worried about". - Check!
*Rescue the auto industry - Check
*Do SOMETHING about healthcare - Check
*Turn around the steady job losses under Bush and start growth. - Check.
*Beat private equity vulture-capitalist hack, hardly liked by his own party - NEXT!
See ya!
Posted by: jimmy joe at June 28, 2012 04:34 PM (xU2OO)
Guys, I want to give a dose of optimism to those who need it.
I have faith in our lawmakers, because I have faith in America. This is our society, and nobody can take that from us.
The people of this country are self-reliant, moral people who would never consider coveting their neighbors shit. Smart, realistic people who produce incredible things. We don't hate on each other because of our differences, we are a cohesive community working together to benefit each others lives.
Just look at what this country can do. With no America, there would be no Twitter, or Facebook, or Adult Friend Finder. We are the leaders in technology. Could China create a laptop with no keyboard? I didn't think so. We are the cutting edge of new technology like solar cylinders and algae fuel. American companies like Google can drive your car AND mine asteroids. Incredible.
I work at an engineering firm where I'm exposed to the brilliance and innovation af Americans every day. We all work together towards producing a product, we don't care about spouting buzzwords and belittling our co-workers. People of real integrity.
I trust Americans to do the right thing, to reject goodies confiscated from their fellow citizens, and see past our cultural and ethnic differences. We reject theft and we don't sell snake oil. We are exceptional because we are Americans, we don't even really have to try.
Posted by: the opposite of what I think at June 28, 2012 04:34 PM (xXhWA)
We need only a small, but dedicated number of people to take effective control of the GOP and steer that coalition towards freedom.
An effort that would be worse than meaningless if you can't also get that coalition elected by steering their voters towards freedom.
I know we're frustrated, but the Underpants Gnome theory I keep seeing proposed is missing the "get elected" part:
1. Force the GOP to the constitutional conservative right.
2. ?????
3. FREEDOM!!!!
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 04:34 PM (fwVQr)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 04:34 PM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at June 28, 2012 04:35 PM (NBj0d)
415I blame Bush.
Me too, and I say that with no sarcasm. The GOP made a terrible mistake when they nominated him. He was and is a catastrophe to the conservative cause.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 04:35 PM (cbNaC)
Posted by: Cmdr. Peter Quincy Taggart at June 28, 2012 04:35 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (Qnu0v)
It's also a game where there is pretty much always nowhere to hide. Pitcher versus Batter one on one, Fielder versus Ball....make the play or everyone sees you fail.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:35 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Scobface at June 28, 2012 04:35 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 04:35 PM (eoFv8)
That only works if the cost of non-paying patients is about equal to the taxes that would have been owed. In LA County the volume of illegals goes far beyond.
Plus, that only helps privately owned medical facilities. What of the local, county, or state operated medical facility that has little or no tax burden compared to a private facility.
The legislation that obligated medical facilities to take one and all regardless of ability to pay was a huge mistake. It made a bunch of people feel good about themselves but they're long gone when the costs become unmanageable.
This is the essential error of giving the vote to anyone who manages to have a heartbeat for 18 years. Far too many of those with no real investment to protect are always going to vote in favor of more free candy.
Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 04:35 PM (kcfmt)
I think this is a really good idea. Is there somewhere you can put this up for signatures so we can petition the party with our grievances?
It is pretty clear all of our institutions have failed us so as good a place as any to start is with the Republican party. If they will not reform then we will need to find another home. I am perfectly fine with the libertarian party and have voted that way before so it will be easy for me. I just vote Republican when there is a menace like Obama about... which means I almost always vote Republican.
But that is going to change. I just sent Romney's letter back with a note that says as long as he keeps intending to repeal and replace Obamacare instead of just repealing it then he isn't getting a dollar from me.
The really neat thing about Obama is that the country has been bankrupted and corrupted to the point that there isn't much worth saving. So all of these people preaching moderation really don't have anything left to sell. What? Do I want to go broke 15 years down the road with Romney vs. 10 with Obama? Do I want squishes like Roberts on the court vs. Sotomayor? Would I like a shit sandwiche or turd soup?
What the hell does it matter at this point. Fuck all of the moderates and their lack of principle. Let them suffer the depredations that come with that until the pain is so much that they come to their senses. Let them court ME and convince ME that they aren't without principle and will act in a manner I can support. The people who think Romney is a great candidate are every bit as much of a problem as Obama is. I won't be a party to it any longer. It is pretty clear the republic will have to start over so it might as well be sooner rather than later.
At least I will have a clean conscience when the end comes and I can look my daughter in the eye knowing I did not support any of the people who brought it about.
And just for the record. The Dems won by being as extreme, nasty and partisan as they could be. They were relentless in their pursuit of tyranny and they pulled every dirty trick and supported every radical who came down the pike. That is how you win.
So our path is.
1: Party
2: Press (propaganda and lies)
3: Academia (propaganda and lies)
4: Power
The template has been set.
Posted by: Voluble at June 28, 2012 04:36 PM (eOimU)
Agree that this is the GOP's very last election, but I don't grant the Purity patrol any quarter.
They may think they were 'right' or more conservative that everyone else. So what? What did it do for them? Their arguments weren't persuasive; they were peevish at best, shit-flinging spaz outs at worst.
No one on the other 'side' of the debate claimed that our patience was infinite. No one here claimed the GOP can do no wrong. No one. That kind of sloppy, accusing moral masturbation made it all the easier to dismiss the purity patrol.
There is a limit and we've reached it..
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 04:36 PM (famk3)
I know we're frustrated, but the Underpants Gnome theory I keep seeing proposed is missing the "get elected" part:
1. Force the GOP to the constitutional conservative right.
2. ?????
3. FREEDOM!!!!
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (fwVQr)
the plan where 1. is replaced by "Leave teh GOP !!!!1! isn't a whole lot better.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:36 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 04:37 PM (GkwjL)
Refusing to let you tie up the ER for six hours, racking up thousands of dollars in fees you will never pay, every time your kid has a sniffle will not lead to your child's death. Get a fucking grip. Sweet fucking Bast, this is how we find ourselves under the present tyranny. Fucking hysterics, lying and exaggerating.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 04:37 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 28, 2012 04:38 PM (R5yLq)
There is a limit and we've reached it..
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2012 08:36 PM (famk3)
So now you are cutting off the GOP regulars AND the base as well from your club? Good luck with that.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:38 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 04:39 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (hO8IJ)
This doesn't apply to Soccer. The point is those of us conservatives who happen to like the sport don't sit around bashing Hockey or Gymnastics or whatever. Saying you don't like a sport is different that some posters saying that you are a sissy or whatever if you like it.
That's all, no big argument. About the only sports I don't enjoy are Baseball and Autoracing and that is only because I follow about 10+ different sports already.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 04:40 PM (BBlzg)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 04:40 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 04:41 PM (Fy6L7)
I strongly suspect all of the discipline of the Bush children came from Laura. The campaign slogan 'Compassionate Conservatism' always made me cringe, and I didn't even identify as a conservative back then. The phrase captures exactly where the GOP has gone so badly wrong.
You cannot uphold the principles the party supposedly embraces if you cave every time it looks like a twelve-your-old might declare they hate you and living in an apartment is not good reason they cannot have a pony.
Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 04:41 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: The Constitution at June 28, 2012 04:41 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:40 PM (DGIjM)
I don't hope that. They could sue her then.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:41 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Weepy Cheese Boy from Wisconsin at June 28, 2012 04:41 PM (wmBEv)
I wrote nothing of the kind and I'd love to see how the purity pricks are the entire base. They're mat think they are but they'd be wrong.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 04:42 PM (famk3)
Roberts has unilaterally rewritten the system of checks and balances.
Fuck him
Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 04:42 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 04:42 PM (DGIjM)
385374Why can't we just pass an an amendment limiting the types of situations the Feds can levy a Tax?
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (zrpqj)
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Its already IN the Constitution. Excise, Imposts, Dutys, capitated Taxes, and INCOME Taxes... That is...What Tax this fits into? I'm trying to figure out.
Posted by: Rome13 at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (lZBBB)
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Social Security and Medicare....whatever the hell category those are in, this new one will slide into that one.
The slippery slope was breached with those.
Those weren't mentioned in the Constitution either.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 04:44 PM (0T8H7)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 04:44 PM (DGIjM)
....Yeah, then you supported Sarah Palin. Now you've got Mitt, who was born on third base and thinks he hit a home run by sacking companies Soprano-style. He's never helped anyone but millionaires in his entire life.
Too many bad choices by you folks. Too much inhumanity and selfishness. Too many contradictions in your philosophy.
Better leave this to innovative human beings who don't just care about themselves.
Chillax. We've got this. You might learn something.
Posted by: jimmy joe at June 28, 2012 04:45 PM (xU2OO)
Posted by: JDTAY at June 28, 2012 04:45 PM (a0nis)
Lots of people seem to want to blame GW.Show me the large number of conservatives who were against Roberts.
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (Xb3hu)
Not me. I didn't even give a shit because I was younger and, well, didn't give a shit.
Now that I'm older, I'm giving it the WTF treatment. So why did YOU assholes put Bush in power so he could eventually appoint Roberts, blah fucking blah.
Beck was on that this morning. I'm guessing he was blowing off steam but it was kinda stupid.
Posted by: ErikW at June 28, 2012 04:45 PM (Vzm9f)
That's all, no big argument. About the only sports I don't enjoy are Baseball and Autoracing and that is only because I follow about 10+ different sports already.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:40 PM (BBlzg)
I never say that about it, or fans. I think the reason for the blowback is that Soccer is shoved in our faces as a "World Sport" and we are trashed as insular cretins for not liking the wonder of it all. My objections are technical, for the most part.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:45 PM (z1N6a)
"Romney will issue EOs on day 1 to grant waivers to the states. He can't repeal it on day one, obviously."
Now, this I love!!!
Besides, the precedent has been sent by the SCFOAMF
Posted by: cat9 at June 28, 2012 04:46 PM (x0PlF)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 04:46 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 04:46 PM (caAEA)
Baseball goes well on radio too. The radio announcers are MUCH better than the TV ones because they're constantly filling the airtime with something. Stats, gossip, colorful descriptions, etc.
The MLB audio only subscription is quite inexpensive.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 04:46 PM (Qnu0v)
Speaking of tomatoes..Roberts just ruled that Congress can force us to grow them so long if there is a tax penalty for not doing so
Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 04:46 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 04:47 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 04:48 PM (DGIjM)
Interestingly, the same people who shove the sport down our throats as cultured are usually the biggest racists in the world.
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 04:48 PM (B/yDO)
no, the world isn't fair, and no, it's not up the the government to legislate fairness into the world. i recognise both points.
Posted by: jimi ray June 28, 2012 08:47 PM (79EF9)
since that never happened under any system, what is your beef?
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 04:49 PM (z1N6a)
The American political machine knows you don't mean it. The American political machine knows that, like most Americans you will continue to vote as you're directed to vote (either Dem/Rep).
You don't mean it any more than you did the last election when you said it. Or the election before that, or the election before that. or the election before that.....
Posted by: leon at June 28, 2012 04:49 PM (ptudu)
Posted by: cranky-d at June 28, 2012 04:49 PM (GsXbZ)
I agree, couldn't help but notice how rapidly Arizona complied with the Monday ruling as compared to how DC fought the Heller decision kicking and screaming and had to be drug back into court repeatedly to get some approximation of partial compliance.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 28, 2012 04:49 PM (dBvlk)
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 04:51 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:45 PM (z1N6a)
I didn't say you did, I'm referring to other posters, and I respect your disagreement. If the "mancard deduction" "ghey" "shove europeanism down our throats" arguments stopped from SOME folks in conservatism, I wouldn't get so chaffed about it.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 04:51 PM (BBlzg)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 04:52 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 04:52 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: The Constitution at June 28, 2012 04:53 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:48 PM (DGIjM)
Remember though...he's not eligible for VP.
And he once saw something that he said may be an excorcism, so he's a weirdo...and he actually knows that ID and Evolution aren't incompatible...
LETS NOMINATE PAWLENTY!
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 04:54 PM (BBlzg)
Posted by: Baracka Hussein Obama at June 28, 2012 04:54 PM (KM2HD)
They're disgusted with Holder and the DOJ.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 04:54 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2012 04:55 PM (YXrPH)
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 04:55 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 04:56 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: Barky O'dipshit at June 28, 2012 04:56 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Baracka Hussein Obama at June 28, 2012 04:56 PM (KM2HD)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 28, 2012 04:56 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Barky O'dipshit at June 28, 2012 04:56 PM (DGIjM)
Doctor-patient confidentiality is something that most doctors take very seriously.
Under ObamaTaxCare.....medical records are supposed to be made available to government scrunts, to browse through at their leisure.
What if doctors don't comply?
Does ObamaTaxCare give doctors a waiver from being sued for making their patients' medical records public?
There are too many people out there, who don't even know this is in there....and will happen, if this thing is not repealed.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 04:57 PM (0T8H7)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at June 28, 2012 04:58 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 28, 2012 04:58 PM (dBvlk)
That single seed has now grown into a forest of government coercion and power.
There is no hill of freedom we should give up without dying on. Debt ceiling, judicial appointments, illegal immigration, lower taxes, spending cuts no matter how small. Every single principle must be fought for with everything we have.
The demos and statist never ever ever stop. And they take every little win and continue to come back for more. And too many of them, over the last 40 years, have had R beside their name.
Posted by: The Hammer at June 28, 2012 04:59 PM (y/w2M)
Posted by: Zombie American at June 28, 2012 04:59 PM (KM2HD)
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:55 PM (R5yLq)
I don't lose sleep over it, because as I've said, I've rarely seen many people who like the sport in conervative blog land get up in arms about other sports when their mentioned.
You like Baseball, or Cup Stacking, or Cheerleaders...you are an American.
That applies to all the other sports.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 05:00 PM (BBlzg)
Posted by: El Miguel at June 28, 2012 05:00 PM (b6JzA)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 28, 2012 08:58 PM (dBvlk)
I thought about this at Dinner...Cruz might be able to get votes out of this. Do any Texas morons know if there is going to be a debate before the runoff?
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 05:01 PM (BBlzg)
Posted by: Barry Obama, Earle of Cornhole at June 28, 2012 05:01 PM (IoNBC)
Dress: Black Robe Optional
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at June 28, 2012 05:01 PM (pJbuO)
Bit OT but I could use some help dredging up the appropriate citations to knock this douchebaggery commentary back down into the dirt.
"Angela this is designed to make it affordable I know you haven't actually read the bill(now law) but it has already stopped the increasing cost of healthcare dead in its tracks and should (if handled decently ) make it so you or anyone can afford basic healthcare insurance, more importantly it is not being penalized it is paying for something you will be receiving."
And this miracle piece of commentary is on the same thread: "
Angela, the law will allow you to get coverage with preexisting conditions. That's one of the great things in the law. Have you not been paying attention? And I suggest to all that think you won't ever need health care to carry a card in ...your wallet instructing all medical personnel to not render any aid in the event of a life threatening condition/accident. Don't ever go to a doctor, don't ever take any medicine. Let God's will be done. That will show all those communist!"
My contribution was pointing out the precedence this is, the fact that it opens the door for the govt to tax pretty much anything for any reason they want.
I'm honestly at a loss, the ignorance and knob slobbing these idiots are doing...I don't even know if I want to spend the energy to debunk their idiocy outside of the comments I remember in various places.
Things like the fact that this is equivalent to a 36% tax increase on everybody and everything to even dream of trying to pay for this. The fact that basic constitutional rights have been usurped by the government, the fact that the insurance pools will collapse if they have to cover every pre-existing condition covered. We simply cannot afford this crap, and I know theres folks out there who are way more edumacated than I am in regards to looking this stuff up. Give a moron a hand here?
Posted by: Dale in San Antonio (not Dave!) at June 28, 2012 05:03 PM (8eoVW)
-----David Frum
Good luck, Frump: you can name it the Reacharound Party.
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at June 28, 2012 05:04 PM (pJbuO)
It is not for us to pass judgement on taking of the tomatoes that were Heather's. Taking them was clearly a form of taxation and therefore clearly leagal.
Posted by: Chief John Roberts at June 28, 2012 05:04 PM (KM2HD)
I imagine the law can be repealed before that ever makes it to the SCOTUS.
Posted by: CausticConservative at June 28, 2012 05:05 PM (gT3jF)
But under ObamaCare they WILL stomach patients being turned away, waiting for operations, and being turned down for services because of age.
Because they will NEVER hear of it, the MSM will write ZERO HEADLINES about mass gov healthcare fuckups.
Posted by: pam at June 28, 2012 05:07 PM (cgrL5)
Posted by: Dale in San Antonio (not Dave!) at June 28, 2012 05:07 PM (8eoVW)
There isn't a damn thing that falls outside of 'interstate commerce and/or $1 tax' authority as read by the court today. Nothing.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 05:07 PM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Chief Just Us John "Corky" Roberts at June 28, 2012 05:08 PM (jucos)
Baseball goes well on radio too. The radio announcers are MUCH better than the TV ones because they're constantly filling the airtime with something. Stats, gossip, colorful descriptions, etc.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:46 PM (Qnu0v)
I can listen to Marty Brennaman on the AM band all day long.
Posted by: ErikW at June 28, 2012 05:08 PM (Vzm9f)
Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 05:08 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: King Putt at June 28, 2012 05:09 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 05:09 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: Chief Just Us John at June 28, 2012 05:10 PM (jucos)
I am fierce. I slayed the expansion of the commerce clause.
Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:09 PM (jts1f)
Kindly see 519.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 05:10 PM (X/+QT)
It's good for you, America!
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 05:11 PM (famk3)
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 05:14 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 05:15 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 05:16 PM (jts1f)
...and it's his reputation that he only gives a shit about. There'll be adoring photos of Maverick Roberts on the covers of Time, Newsweek, etc for weeks to come.
It is ironic. As for your point regarding reputation, I think it is both, and the two go hand-in-hand (as Chief Justice, he feels a sense of obligation, etc.). This (to me) is primarily why he made a number of conservative acknowledgements regarding ObamaCare only to latch on to an argument not given as much weight by the Administration or the liberal justices. So while he made some great points regarding the Administration's primary arguments and also made ObamaCare easier to repeal, he ultimately "chickened-out" (while being too clever by half).
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 05:17 PM (d6QMz)
And the bullshit keeps coming from Jimi! And boy, you can see the cracks forming as his use of CAPS goes up!
Actually, I'm 47. Coming up on 48 in exactly a month. I've seen the decline in my lifetime. The first time I ever went to an ER was when I was ten and had pneumonia, which lead to to attacks of respiratory distress. They packed me up and took me to the ER because they thought I was in serious danger.
The place was nearly empty of other patients. This wasn't a high density area like parts of LA where the flow of patients would of course be much higher but still, it was remarkably quiet compared to anything you'd see today in the same town. The difference? Everybody who was there for treatment really needed help immediately. Nobody was there for the sniffles or a stubbed toe.
But then, the illegal alien portion of the local population was a tiny fraction then compared to today.
So cut the crap. The vast majority of non-paying patients to ERs are not suffering from life threatening illness or injury. I've seen it up close and got to pay an absurd amount for a few minutes with a doctor. I got to spend the next year making payments on a $1,000 bill that should have been $100 at most in a sane world. They're mostly just run of the mill complaints that any normal private practice would deal with, except they have this funny expectation of being paid at least a token amount. Plenty of private practitioners charge very reasonable prices, especially those who disdain Medicare. But it's hard tob eat free when you've created an underclass that has no reason to respect the cost they inflict on others.
And perhaps you weren't paying attention when I said a lot of people were going to die regardless. Do you really think the average treatment patients receive is going to improve under the new regime? We're going to get lots of rationing and general mediocrity. The UK already has a euthanasia program that is being used to winnow down the elderly who threaten to consume too much NHS funds. A number of physicians have complained that it is being applied well in excess of its intended scope.
It is the natural extension of when you put your continued existence on somebody else's tab. Your family cannot murder you without consequence but the government can. And yes, the UK electorate has effectively supported this.
And yes, this can happen in the US. It's already happening. There are fewer ERs in LA County, where I live, than there were a few years ago. The crush of illegals turning up for freebies is collapsing the system and your chances of dying in a trauma situation are increased for lack of facilities. But we can't prioritize citizens over trespassers. We cannot even have INS come to the hospital and ship them back where they came from.
That would be mean.
You know what is really mean? Having to tell my nephews and nieces that they may have to die because we couldn't bear to hurt the feeling of a foreign trespasser.
Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 05:17 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 05:18 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: waelse1 at June 28, 2012 05:19 PM (VaU8E)
http://ricochet.com/ricochet-podcast/The-Decision
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 05:19 PM (d6QMz)
Not the hill to die on.
Overton window.
Need to focus on the next election.
Posted by: The Republican Party (tm)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 05:20 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 05:22 PM (jts1f)
Where do we sign?
You should actually have a letter to send. With signatures (or at least names).
I'm up for it.
If this isn't repealed then the Republicans will have proven they are no more than slow socialists compared to the Democrats fast version.
Dustbin here they come.
McConnell claims that's what they'll do but he's lied before.
Boehner claims that's what they'll do but he's cut deals before.
This letter should go to the leaders and every Republican Congressman/Senator and candidates.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 28, 2012 05:23 PM (CP+yl)
I am fierce. I slayed the expansion of the commerce clause.
Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:09 PM (jts1f)
Liked that. Clever.
Posted by: CausticConservative at June 28, 2012 05:24 PM (gT3jF)
1) If he had voted with Scalia, Thomas, et al, MSM would have called the court political and the SCOAMF would have had a club to beat them with.
2) Got the liberals to put the brakes on expansion of the Commerce Clause to justify anything and everything (which the Conservatives were also ready to do,) which now takes that ruling out of the political realm
3) Reconstitutes the "penalty" as a tax, which furthers the description of Democrats as the tax and spend party
Sure, this now theoretically means that if you have enough votes, you can tax anything, but realistically, how likely is that?
Would Harry Reid have been able to get 60 votes to get cloture if the Obamacare bill had called it a tax?
And you know, if I get cancer I'll lose a lot of weight and really look slender and svelte and my old clothes will fit great.
Posted by: LeBron Steinman at June 28, 2012 05:27 PM (jfWE9)
Not too long ago, conservatives and republicans threw a fit when ANYONE suggested that the republican party needed to be rebuilt from the ground up ...or entirely replaced...and said person(s) was called a nutcase or much, much worse.
Welcome to reality.
Enjoy your stay.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at June 28, 2012 05:28 PM (WwR1j)
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 05:30 PM (t2cnv)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 28, 2012 05:30 PM (CP+yl)
Posted by: Zombie Mencken at June 28, 2012 05:32 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: donabernathy at June 28, 2012 05:36 PM (BbZYd)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at June 28, 2012 05:39 PM (A2LXE)
Jimi, if a doctor wants to give away his services for free, he is completely within his rights to do so. He is not within his rights to ask any unwilling taxpayer to pick up the cost for his efforts.
There is this thing called charity, where voluntarily give of themselves, be it in labor or capital. Giving away money wrested from tax payers is not charity. One of the ways this nation has gone badly wrong is in allowing government to take over the role of charity in far too many situations.
This is not only turning kindness into theft, it also can make the tax payer into a party to illegal acts. In CA we have a number of entitlement programs that are odd in that they duplicate programs that exist at the federal level. Why is this? Because the federal programs have this pesky requirement of legal residency. The CA program happily throw tax payer funds at illegal aliens where those mean old federal programs won't. And do we CA tax payers get a say in this? You'd think so, wouldn't you, what with the voting and all. Why, we even enacted laws that specifically said the money couldn't be spent on illegal aliens. The state government simply ignored those laws or revealed loopholes that were written into them.
So this state teeters on the abyss. The amount of effort they put into winning the love of Mexican nationals makes one wonder what country this state belongs to.
Well, this has to end. The cost is simply unsustainable. We've created a dependency culture that guarantees a lot of people are going to die for lack of care when the jig is up, whether it is by cutting off the flow of money and saving the state for its citizens or by complete and utter collapse that will claim a lot of those who were productive up until now.
Those are the choices. We're committed to ugly. It's just a choice of what kind of ugly we choose. We're long past the point of no return. There was a guy, used to be governor here when I was a little kid, who tried to warn us about this when they put Medicare through. He said it would go badly over budget by at least twice. He later had to admit he was wrong. It went over budget by an order of magnitude in less than a decade.
When charity says no you can go looking for another charity. When government says no the next election is infinitely far away. You won't be getting another government in time for it to matter.
Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 05:41 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (d6QMz)
Epic fail.
As I said, the Constitution should always, always take precedence over attempts to protect reputation.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 05:45 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Rightwing Vet at June 28, 2012 05:47 PM (PTS+l)
Posted by: nraendowment at June 28, 2012 05:50 PM (Msv+6)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 28, 2012 05:51 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 05:52 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 28, 2012 05:53 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 05:58 PM (OL4L4)
Actually pocket veto wouldn't apply.. that's only if Congress is adjourned. If Congress is in session, the president must explicitly veto the bill. If he doesn't sign it, it becomes law. Obama would absolutely veto a repeal bill, kicking in the 2/3 override requirement.
So Congress has to pass the repeal bill, then present it to newly-inaugurated President Romney for signature.
Posted by: I.M. at June 28, 2012 05:59 PM (gIXYV)
Hummingbird,
re: "the decision today will last much longer than the next election."
I agree!
Commerce Clause - extremely crippled
Dem's stealth "social/welfare" programs (aka tax increases) - crippled
"Mandates" - crippled
Posted by: Rightwing Vet at June 28, 2012 06:02 PM (PTS+l)
GAME ON, MOTHAFUCKAS!!!
Posted by: MadisonConservative at June 28, 2012 06:02 PM (sb+ta)
To this day, is there a single human who can honestly claim to have read and understood the ACA in its entirety? We need a doorstop law that automatically rejects any proposed legislation that takes over a hundred pages to define. Anything longer plainly needs to be treated as multiple items and debated individually. (Not to mention debated at all!)
Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 06:05 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 06:10 PM (YcTIW)
Sorry, the GOP establishment had one more chance, but they gave us Romneycare for a nominee.
Do you really think the GOP deserves shit after nominating the one person responsible for the downfall of the American civilization? Not at all. If they kick him out of the party at the National Convention, then they might earn one more chance.
They should burn effigies of Roberts, Romney and Snowe all day long at the convention. American traitors one and all.
Posted by: doug at June 28, 2012 06:32 PM (gUGI6)
Posted by: megthered at June 28, 2012 06:43 PM (iR4Dg)
Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2012 06:48 PM (YXrPH)
1. If it is a tax, it cannot have waivers. It must be applied equally.
2. If it is a tax, then tax-exempt organizations are not required to pay it. (This goes to the Catholic hospitals and organizations.)
3. If it is a tax, then the House has some control.
This decision isn't an easy one to figure out. But on listening to comments and reading parts of it, I think there is something in thee we can work with.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 28, 2012 06:51 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: troyriser at June 28, 2012 07:06 PM (YCeSE)
Posted by: Iconoclast at June 28, 2012 07:19 PM (PxjPf)
Posted by: Iconoclast at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (PxjPf)
Posted by: MlR at June 28, 2012 07:53 PM (tZEX7)
Posted by: MlR at June 28, 2012 07:57 PM (tZEX7)
Posted by: rickl at June 28, 2012 08:12 PM (sdi6R)
Agree with your sentiments 100%.
Onward!
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 28, 2012 08:18 PM (4s7w4)
Embrace this for all it's worth. Everyone in the US is levied a tax anti-waiver of $60 per month, with a 9 month reprieve for a D&E or other abortive service. A tax anti-waiver of $60 per month unless 2 cartons of cigarettes are purchased. A tax anti-waiver of $500 every 6 months unless a new Smith & Wesson finds a home in the new gun safe you got a tax anti-waiver of $200 for. A tax anti-waiver of $10 weekly for not keeping a physical presence at religious services. Perhaps even a tax anti-waiver of $20 per month for failing to exercise your free-speech via vanity dead-tree press. But most importantly, a tax anti-waiver of $75 per month for neglect for arugula in your diet.
Whatever and whichever Justice changes their mind? Impeach them for allergy to dictionaries and let's get this Keynesian aggregate demand up. Can't be done without a tax anti-waiver of $25,000 per annum for failing to but a Chevy Volt and make good the public's nationalization of the car industry.
Posted by: Maus at June 28, 2012 08:41 PM (Z/Dr0)
The first act after GOP victory needs to be to secure the border and deport the illegals - right after being sworn in, as far away from the next election as possible. Otherwise, the economy still won't recover by 2014 or 2016, and the unemployment rate will still be sky high, and the budget deficit will still be enormous, and the demographics will move against us faster than you could ever think possible.
Everything else is a stalling tactic. Think Sotomayor (pronounced Soh-Toe-My-Yorrrrrrrr) is bad? Wait til you have 6 of 'em.
Posted by: Wilson at June 28, 2012 08:52 PM (VHfD4)
Posted by: ExpatPatriot at June 28, 2012 09:13 PM (5Z+oQ)
Posted by: jimb at June 28, 2012 09:26 PM (Er/xb)
Posted by: mig0 at June 28, 2012 09:27 PM (ZBp3f)
My local Republican party has done wonders for increasing freedom in my state. It's the ones who go to Washington DC who screw us. Please let me live long enough for a state like Texas to leave the Union so my kids can have a free home to grow up in.
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 09:57 PM (71iUa)
Or anyone who's been a Democrat in the last 80 years. This whole concept of what other people produce should be taken away and given to you, just because you want it? FDR. LBJ. Obama's just building on the attitudes inculcated by their work.
(Wilson? I know he was a Fascist, but I don't know enough about his attitude toward redistribution.)
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Anyone! And I do mean ANYONE who has been a Democrat! I've got otherwise reasonable friends who salivate at the thought of "free stuff"! They don't even NEED free stuff! They have no pride whatsoever!
Posted by: Alana at June 28, 2012 09:57 PM (V3ZL8)
"The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (and whatever statute number has to be included) 'including any and all of it's provisions', is hereby repealed."
Otherwise they might pick and choose a few things to leave in to bite us in the posterior later.
Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 09:58 PM (UqY8b)
I am tired beyond belief of this scenario:
The Democrats are in power, so the Democrats get what they want.
The Republicans are in power, so the Democrats get what they want.
We need America back. Not America for the Democrats, or America for the Media, but America for THE PEOPLE.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 10:43 PM (i0App)
Posted by: Lilith at June 29, 2012 12:34 AM (HP1dU)
Popular doesn't mean "workable." The whole problem with the bill is the mandate is necessary to fund all those "wonderful provisions."
Popular also has no equivalence with "good" or "right" either. The slacker provision is bad law, no matter how many 20-something's like it. A 26 year old is a child? Since when? Guess we shouldn't be letting anyone under 40 vote then, huh?
The student loan federalization (accompanying the bill as another 'pay for OC provision') is a massive powergrab for the government.
Closing the so-called donut hole and removing pre-existing conditions 'sounds' great. Unfortunately, in real terms, they do the exact opposite of the bill's intent. They will drive UP the cost of HC, and reduce real access to insurance. People don't 'think' when they see these mentioned in polls. So naturally they say, "Oh yeah, that's awesome!" Eh, not so much.
Obamacare, in fact, is likely to drive UP the cost of health care. Just like Romneycare did in Mass. Even now, their legislature is fighting annually with the cost provisions of 'mandatory access,' because gov't can't afford it.
Not to mention all of this is a giant tax increase on the middle class. $2900 dollars a year for a family of four. Now add 'that' into their normal health care costs, and tell me that these things are 'good.'
Not so much. Prohibition was popular when it was passed too. Didn't make it good law.
Posted by: Shawn at June 29, 2012 02:42 AM (/lltO)
Drew, how many last chances after this last chance?
There have been many, many last chances, and after every one of them is compromised away into a loss, there is always one more last chance.
Posted by: Daedalus Mugged at June 29, 2012 04:08 AM (sWzdq)
This said what I have been thinking since yesterday but I am done giving chances. I want to ditch the media that failed us all with their biased coverage of issues and their failure to expose Barry for who he is. I want to ditch the GOP for not having the balls to push back the progressive hoard. I want to ditch the Dems for allowing themselves to become such megolomaniacs that they think they can tell us how to live. I want to slap those voters who seem to just have their hands out to take from the rest of working America and not give anything back. ENOUGH!!
Posted by: PissedArmyMom at June 29, 2012 04:48 AM (Rw3G9)
I've been saying this for a couple of years now. It's time to put the money down and draw the cards.
To tell the truth though, I think they are so entrenched in the 'old way' that they will cave and/or make a dog's breakfast out of it. At that point we need to trash them into the dustbin of history. While a third party may leave the libtard Demoncrats in charge for some time, I think we can take over at the margins, particularly if we can swing the money over to the new party.
Yesterday and today I am so disgusted with so-called Americans I can hardly write civilly. I went on a rant for some long time after I read the jackass decision from the Supreme Clowns. I fear that America is truly lost. We are become Greece. I don't know if there IS a way back.
Posted by: chuck in st paul at June 29, 2012 06:58 AM (EhYdw)
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Posted by: Scobface at June 28, 2012 03:06 PM (IoNBC)