July 13, 2012
— LauraW We have disagreements in the threads here. Sometimes there's a little back-and-forth about what is the truly conservative position on an issue.
But it's pretty rare that we get into arguments here where many of the commenters are in denial about the nature of the world. Where one side simply does not understand, and refuses to understand, that the nuts-and-bolts pragmatic foundation for their side of the argument can not exist in objective reality.
But elsewhere, on other blogs, such is the difficulty when leftists discuss math....accounting...standard business practices....why cities run out of money...etc.
Now, we here in RealityLand know what is happening to these Democrat-run cities that are going bankrupt. Leftish policies inexorably lead to a situation where the public workforce (and welfare cases) place huge demands on a tax base that can no longer support it. Once they start going into debt just to honor old promises, the deal is done.
Fiscal insanity has a logical conclusion. Conservatives accurately predict these events, all the time. And by 'all the time,' I mean 'every time.' Every. Frickin'. Time. But these geniuses never listen, because we are dumb&mean, and they are smart&caring.
Below: It's a DU link, yes. But go on ahead and give them the traffic. They deserve it. The whole thread is hysterical, as is the next one I'll link. I have removed names and formatting just to make the discussion more compact.
PLEASE go to the links and review the rest of the conversations. The people who understand math and business are accused of being conservative trolls! That's some kind of accidental compliment.
These are the kinds of arguments you get into when encouraging expansion in the private sector is absolutely unacceptable, but yet you also want to eat their lunch forever.
So. Scranton is now paying minimum wage to its employees. Where to go from here?
1. They're flat broke. What do you suggest they do?-----------------------
2. I suggest they raise taxes -
duh.---------------------------
6. The mayor proposed that, but the people in Scranton don't want higher taxes,...
...so the City Council refused to raise them. Any other ideas?-------------------------------
7. I don't care if rich people don't want to be taxed -
and yes I have plenty of other ideas. Have you ever heard of socialism?-----------------------------
10. Most property owners in Scranton are not rich-------------------------
13. I'm not going to get in any fights about defining the word "rich" -
because I see plenty of that divisive, distracting behavior going on in other threads on this board and it only benefits the very rich when everyone else is fighting.If folks are well enough off to own property and want police/firemen around to protect it they are going to have to understand they might not be buying a second home this year ...
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26. Many of these 'well off' property owners are retirees on fixed incomes-----------------------
28. Again, will not bite on that. Property owners who expect fire and police
protection had better figure out whether they can pony up some cash.This is what it comes down to - I really don't care if Aunt Ethyl has $2 million in the bank and wants to leave it all to her favorite cat charity - I'm sure she is a very nice person.
People have families and are now being told they are going to "live" on $7.25/hour.
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21. $7.25/hour is not a living wage --do you suggest employees stop living?-------------------
32. Oh course not
But you have to be aware of the tax structure for municipalities in PA, as well as the fact that Scranton is a largely working class town.------------------
38. OK so then the state or federal gov't will have to move some money from
A wealthier population to this poorer one. Easy peasy. Problem solved.------------------
45. Sounds easy to me. nt
Indeed! What could be simpler? Theft! Theft is the answer to all of our troubles. Works every time it's been tried.
Taxing wealth is the next logical step
That way the wealthy who are sitting on the sidelines with trillions of dollars will have two choices. Invest it in creating jobs themselves or give it to the government so they can invest it to hire new workers and retain the ones we already have and pay them a fair days pay for a fair days work.Turns into use it or lose it.
There is how to get some investment going.
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7. So you want to take cash from businesses----------------------
9. Businesses can either invest it themselves hiring workers or the government will tax them and do it
It is the businesses choice.---------------------------
10. so to hell with their need to pay existing workers
or future obligations.Many businesses sit on cash when the economy is slower so they're not desperate for cash, relying on receivables when the bills come due. If you've got 10 million in cash but a 1 million dollar payroll to meet every month, it's not really that outrageous
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19. You should probably go work for Romney
That last response was directed at the same guy but not the same comment that precedes it in my heavily-snipped excerpt. Again, read the whole thing, it is hilarious and also a bit sad.
There is a lot of frustration among the would-be thieves that those who have responsibly saved money will not just subvert their personal financial future to that of the public sector.
89. Why this thread scares meMy income has already been taxed once. I am self-employed, so I've also had to pay self-employment taxes over the years. And no, I don't work as a banker, I don't exploit my workers (unless you call my own long hours at the job self-exploitation) and I produce a product that actually gets exported and brings money INTO the U.S. I don't trust any safety net to protect my retirement, so I have been faithfully saving for decades, in secure investments such as municipal bonds and CDs. I have accumulated enough to help my kids out with their college educations.
And now, because I've been scrupulous about saving and a careful investor, this OP would levy an extra tax on me, for no reason except that I've socked away enough for a comfortable retirement?
She hasn't been taught that when other people confiscate the comfort that she's worked her whole life for, it is because their pure hearts are filled with compassion. She probably graduated college before that became part of the regular curriculum.
Her opponents on that thread- those are the people who fancy themselves high-functioning intellectuals. Those are the people who are always accusing conservatives of suffering from cognitive dissonance. Is it any wonder that when they're put in charge of a budget, it's like giving Lennie a puppy to play with?
They can't seem to learn a simple lesson, after the same experiment turns out the same way, time after time after time. And to see them puzzling it out in public is to know why. Ideology is a more potent motivator to them than actual results.
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Posted by: libtard who Bravely Fights Racism at July 13, 2012 08:03 AM (HAnzX)
Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2012 08:03 AM (n6d6+)
And they call *us* morons....
Posted by: Uncle Mikey at July 13, 2012 12:03 PM (8qoXL)
To be fair, WE call us morons.
And we wear the moniker with pride.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 13, 2012 08:04 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at July 13, 2012 08:04 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at July 13, 2012 08:05 AM (PSdso)
Seems to me the only solution is to create an environment which allows more people to become wealthy...only then will they get it
Posted by: rukiddingme? at July 13, 2012 08:05 AM (MbeEN)
And why is it always about the police and firemen? Why can't they just shitcan a bunch of office-bound bureaucrats instead?
Posted by: Uncle Mikey at July 13, 2012 08:06 AM (8qoXL)
Not that these people might simply barely getting by and are trying not to lose the one home they have.
And the idea that all retired people have $2million in the bank ....
The DUmmies certainly earn their sobriquet every single day, don't they?
Posted by: not a fan at July 13, 2012 08:07 AM (gCa4h)
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 13, 2012 08:07 AM (HAnzX)
Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 13, 2012 08:07 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: toby928© at July 13, 2012 08:08 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Detroit at July 13, 2012 08:08 AM (HAnzX)
They think that Scranton is home to...rich people.
Maybe they believe that the cast of The Office really lives there and intend to confiscate their earnings and royalties from the show.
Posted by: kallisto at July 13, 2012 08:09 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Margaret Thatcher at July 13, 2012 08:09 AM (84pE9)
No, I shall not go over there to observe these people in their natural habitat. I am also aware that there are people in this world who like to dress up in furry costumes and/or diapers to have sex with each other. I have no desire to see them do that either.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2012 08:10 AM (TOk1P)
Rich enough to own property = having 2 million in the bank.
These people are unreal. Someone explain to me how they are alive.
How can you survive this long and be so stupid or ignorant of reality?
Posted by: Ben at July 13, 2012 08:10 AM (C2Y4l)
Posted by: Hugo the Abominable Snowman with your 401k at July 13, 2012 08:10 AM (evdj2)
Hollllly crap.....we are so screwed.
Posted by: Tami at July 13, 2012 08:10 AM (X6akg)
I kinda did a post on this over at my little slice of Intarwebz Heaven this morning. I still can't quite figure out why libtards always jump to the wrong/absurdly extreme conclusion about everyfuckingthing.
I do agree with Honey Badger: these people are insane.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 13, 2012 08:12 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Talibill at July 13, 2012 08:12 AM (WEWGu)
Posted by: lauraw at July 13, 2012 08:13 AM (/v0sR)
Posted by: Ben at July 13, 2012 08:14 AM (C2Y4l)
THIS! THIS GODDAMN IT!!
Notice that All City Expense = police & fire and teachers.
That the cities spend untold millions on other things is avoided in the most craven, mendacious manner all to protect their socialist bubbles.
Two nations. We are two fucking nations.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 13, 2012 08:15 AM (Vcb44)
Stealing their laptops and i-Phones is wrong though because that's "personal property"
Private Property = Other Peoples Stuff
Personal Property = My Stuff
Posted by: kbdabear at July 13, 2012 08:15 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 13, 2012 08:15 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: lauraw at July 13, 2012 08:16 AM (/v0sR)
Ask the Argentinians that had all their pensions nationalized.
Gee, wonder why people keep money off shore or in gold?
Let's take a guess here.
"I'll take safety for $1000, Alex"
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 13, 2012 08:16 AM (KZI7g)
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 13, 2012 08:16 AM (HAnzX)
These are the poeple you can't go out to a nice dinner with, because they'll stick you on the apps., wine tab, taxes, and the tip.
'All I had was a salad.'
Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2012 08:16 AM (n6d6+)
Anytime that hive of drooling slugs is mentioned, I think of this, as well as that fucking idiot Steve Kangas, who tried to kill Richard Mellon-Scaife, but ended up blowing his own brains out pathetically.
But I digress.
On to the chicken wire demostrations!!!
http://tinyurl.com/jlqbs
Posted by: Rev Dr E David Brookes at July 13, 2012 08:16 AM (ApGOC)
Posted by: toby928© at July 13, 2012 08:16 AM (evdj2)
Sadly those kind of people are in the majority where I live. And they are probably teaching your kids.
Last saturday I was in the checkout line at costco and there was a nice middle class dude with his kids in line ahead of me. here's the exchange:
"hey Dad, they approved that new high speed rail to Los Angeles. Isnt that cool? I cant wait to ride that?"
"Yes, I think thats probably a good thing. But you can bet it will cost a lot more than they say."
"My teacher says it will be more economical than flying. and way better for the environment. Plus it will provide jobs for people in the central valley"
"Well I guess thats better than the government spending all that money on wars and corporate welfare!"
I fear that these people are typical. And they probably vote. We are so doomed!
Posted by: Log Cabin at July 13, 2012 08:17 AM (1q/WY)
>>And why is it always about the police and firemen? Why can't they just shitcan a bunch of office-bound bureaucrats instead?Posted by: Uncle Mikey
Exactly. Harrisburg went backrupt by spending 300+ million on a garbage incinerator.
Posted by: Ben at July 13, 2012 08:17 AM (C2Y4l)
Unless you're doing something to keep the unproductivity you're trying to fund under strict containment, the process you've built ensures that unproductivity will GROW, requiring a bigger chunk of the productive to be taken to continue to fund it.
It's an ass-backward system that gets glossed over by somebody yelling 'compassion.' Protecting a dysfunctional system isn't compassion, sorry.
Posted by: nickless at July 13, 2012 08:17 AM (MMC8r)
So the logical thing to do is to invite flash mobs of unknown ethnicity to perform this function for all vehicles traversing Scranton.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 13, 2012 08:17 AM (Ec6wH)
The left is the same with environmental concerns; the purity of the good intentions they claim to have somehow magically makes their claims legitimate and gives them authority to push others around.
Posted by: model_1066 at July 13, 2012 08:18 AM (YbQJm)
36 -
That's true, because wanting the world to be a way that it isn't, is not really an ideology. A mental illness, perhaps, but not an ideology.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2012 08:18 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: blindside at July 13, 2012 08:18 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at July 13, 2012 08:19 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: RioBravo at July 13, 2012 08:19 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 13, 2012 08:19 AM (wUFaM)
<<Then let's take homes and other assets...>>
Got that? Just take it. Forget the literal fact that a VAST majority of "second homes" are actually rental investment properties that barely pay for themselves and are worth more as a tax shelter/write off whose main purpose is an investment in the future...
...anyone who has a second home (according to the genius who posted the above quote) is wealthy and should be heavily taxed.
Posted by: Sgt. York at July 13, 2012 08:20 AM (Gup0B)
Posted by: blindside at July 13, 2012 08:20 AM (x7g7t)
I have a second home in a gated community at the beach. We pay for the police, the garbage and give the county money for our fire station.
It costs a help of a lot less than the taxes in CLT and when we need something they come immediately. I guess not having half a city of dead beats to look after makes for a lot more effective police department.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at July 13, 2012 08:20 AM (KZI7g)
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at July 13, 2012 08:20 AM (GBXon)
This is what it comes down to - I really don't care if Aunt Ethyl has $2 million in the bank and wants to leave it all to her favorite cat charity - I'm sure she is a very nice person.
Clearly Aunt Ethyl is next on this commenter's list of candidates for the Obamacare Death Panels, since she's clearly going to kick the bucket in the near future and leave her $2 million dollars to some frivolous charity for cats. This commenter is obviously not a member of PETA.
Taxing wealth is the next logical step
That way the wealthy who are sitting on the sidelines with trillions of dollars will have two choices. Invest it in creating jobs themselves or give it to the government so they can invest it to hire new workers and retain the ones we already have and pay them a fair days pay for a fair days work.
Outside of Hollywood, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an area of the country with a high enough proportion of millionaires per square mile to have a combined net worth of TRILLIONS of dollars.
...This person does know they're talking about SCRANTON, right?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 13, 2012 08:20 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Well-informed DUmmie at July 13, 2012 08:21 AM (ggRof)
Jesus these people are fucked in the head.
Posted by: mpfs at July 13, 2012 08:21 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: SouthCounty at July 13, 2012 08:21 AM (49yng)
If folks are well enough off to own property and want police/firemen around to protect it
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As if owning a house is some major accomplishment that only greedy rich white people are capable of. They really do have low expectations of themselves.
Posted by: Michelle O. at July 13, 2012 08:21 AM (eavT+)
Oh, and us. We had a Navy capable (sub torpedoes aside) of global warfare in 1942-43 because (to his credit) FDR started building it in 1936-37.
Posted by: JEM at July 13, 2012 08:22 AM (o+SC1)
Incomprehensible.
Posted by: April 12, 1861 at July 13, 2012 08:23 AM (IVoJS)
Posted by: An Overflow Crowd at July 13, 2012 08:23 AM (FcR7P)
Their behavior on a personal and individual level is EXACTLY like the behavior of political liberals.
Not just stupid, but having the emotional development of a five year old.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 13, 2012 12:07 PM (HAnzX)
True. I have a friend like that...she makes good money, spends it all, then complains about being 'poor'. I told her you're not poor, your broke...there's a difference.
Posted by: model_1066 at July 13, 2012 08:24 AM (YbQJm)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 13, 2012 08:24 AM (9TTOe)
50 -
Yes I do, but I am really really really trying hard not to think of the word "overlap" in this context.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2012 08:24 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: thunderb at July 13, 2012 08:24 AM (Dnbau)
That and letting people vote that do not own property. What would Washington or Jefferson think of this shit?
They simply would not believe it.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at July 13, 2012 08:24 AM (KZI7g)
The coversation reads like one of those korean spoof videos explaining everything from health insurance to architecture except there is no character who actually has a fucking clue as to what he's talking about.
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Off wookie sockie
Posted by: dananjcon at July 13, 2012 08:25 AM (eavT+)
It's not funny to read it from the occupants of the White House
Posted by: kbdabear at July 13, 2012 08:25 AM (Y+DPZ)
If folks are well enough off to own property and want police/firemen around to protect it
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As if owning a house is some major accomplishment that only greedy rich white people are capable of. They really do have low expectations of themselves.
I wonder what they'd say to the people whose homes are underwater because the DU's beloved Democratic congressmen forced banks to give home loans to risky loan seekers who wanted to purchase homes they couldn't afford. Those folks purchased their homes -- so they're on the hook for more taxes, right? And the folks who scrimped and saved and bought their homes the RIGHT way, and who are no suffering because of the idiots who DIDN'T do it the right way -- you want to force them to pay for your mistakes, too? Cute!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 13, 2012 08:26 AM (4df7R)
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Well.... when your total assets are an iphone and a laptop.... and youre a 16th century expressive dance major with $85,000 in student loan debt living in your parents basement at the age of thirty.....
Posted by: fixerupper at July 13, 2012 08:26 AM (C8hzL)
Hey, you talking about me? Just cause I owe more than I have doesn't make me a bad person. I got a free house now!
Posted by: Hair Plugs Joe at July 13, 2012 08:26 AM (KZI7g)
DU: No. Just cut it into four. We can't afford eight.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at July 13, 2012 08:26 AM (PSdso)
Posted by: truth fairy at July 13, 2012 08:26 AM (ue2Nm)
Posted by: The Pitt at July 13, 2012 08:27 AM (rUB/V)
Has anyone brought up the fact that a. Scranton is not only working class but poor working class, b. that the University of Scranton owns a huge amount of tax exempt propety, c. that the Diocese owns what the U doesn't and d. that the rest is owned by hospitals? I am exagerrating only slightly about that.
These people quite seriously do not understand what is wrong with taking money that I've worked for and saved and giving it to someone else. I suggest that we redistribute their ipads to prove the point.
Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Taste the rainbow. at July 13, 2012 08:27 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: RioBravo at July 13, 2012 08:27 AM (eEfYn)
Libtards are just children in arrested development. Running a household, balancing a checkbook, running a business are all icky grown-up things that their square fathers did (or do). It might cut into their XBox time or choom supply.
My brother is a prime example. He has training as an electrician but has been laid off for over a year. His union isn't doing balls for him, he refuses to look for side work, and he bitches about the corporations and Bush becuase his benefits are about to run out. His wife is about to leave him because she's tired of working 3 jobs, plus raising the kids and doing household chores while he sleeps until 6 PM (!) and goes to bed at 10 AM. He either plays Skyrim all night or sits on Facebook, parroting every nutty leftard meme that comes down the pike. My parents and I have long since given up trying to help him. Hell, he didn't move out of my parents' house until he was fucking 38. He's 42 now. And no, I'm not exaggerating. How many more of him are out there?
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 13, 2012 08:27 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Hill County Texan at July 13, 2012 08:28 AM (m294W)
Posted by: t-bird at July 13, 2012 08:28 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at July 13, 2012 08:28 AM (GBXon)
And now, because I've been scrupulous about saving and a careful investor, this OP would levy an extra tax on me, for no reason except that I've socked away enough for a comfortable retirement?
How anyone can be self-employed, like this person, and hold progressive redistributionist views baffles me. I think this commenter is either a conservative troll or a progressive who is suddenly realizing that the socialists want his money, too.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 13, 2012 08:28 AM (xm1A1)
Posted by: RioBravo at July 13, 2012 12:27 PM (eEfYn)
Don't laugh.
http://tinyurl.com/3w48o25
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 13, 2012 08:29 AM (KZI7g)
Tony Montana in Scarface
I live in California the most effen screwed up state in the union.
If you think we are not going off a cliff in this country financially, just remember 23 trillion is the tipping point!!! The whole point is to kill the Elephant.
Posted by: Clemenza at July 13, 2012 08:29 AM (fCSfn)
(And considering the software we have here, that's saying something....)
Posted by: Tami at July 13, 2012 08:30 AM (X6akg)
Our Government has led them to believe that they CAN repeal the laws of Thermodynamics, and Economics... and create somthing, out of Nothing...
TANSTAAFL (There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch)...
In a Capitalist Free Market? The owner decides who gets lunch.
In a Democracy? The mob becides who gets Lunch.
In the USSR? The Party got Lunch, the Prols got the leftovers.
In Peoples Republic of China? The Politbureo decides which country to deliver lunch to...
In Islamistan? The guys get lunch, and the women get to wait on them, while watching a floor show of Stoning Gays and burning Witches... but its all the Jews fault.
In Socialism? the Government decides who the Corporations give lunch to... right up until theres no lunch left.
And in Obama's America? He gets his lunch... and your lunch.. and anyones lunch he wants.. while saying he is just giving the Poor Lunch.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 13, 2012 08:30 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: toby928© at July 13, 2012 08:30 AM (evdj2)
That wasn't just a comment on everyone needing to pay their fair share--it was also a threat.
Read back to the comment about how if the homeowners want their homes protected, they'd better figure out a way to pay even more taxes--no matter if it means they can no longer afford their home.
The Democrat party is top to bottom full of these types of people--not just communists, beyond communists, the class of Pol Pot and Mao.
They don't see themselves as the one's face down in the mud with a bullet hole in their skull, they fancy themselves as the gilded class granted the glory they deserve safe back in the city as rulers.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 13, 2012 08:30 AM (kSaUf)
Posted by: thunderb at July 13, 2012 08:31 AM (Dnbau)
1. Take everybody's money
2. When there is no more money to take, stage a few demonstrations featuring giant puppet heads.
3. ???
4. Profit!
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 13, 2012 08:31 AM (xm1A1)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet"
Got one in my family, too. Brother. Fortunately, we disowned him, so the little f*cker is on his own now. Haven't seen him in three years, and my life is so much better for it.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 13, 2012 08:32 AM (Y2CR/)
Posted by: Zombie Dali at July 13, 2012 08:32 AM (C8mVl)
See my post above as to their definitions of "private property" and "personal property"
Like a little brat with the toy, you can't have the i-pad because it's MINE !!!!
Posted by: kbdabear at July 13, 2012 08:32 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Taste the rainbow. at July 13, 2012 12:27 PM (VtjlW)
Sometimes I'd rather redistribute their teeth.
Posted by: model_1066 at July 13, 2012 08:32 AM (YbQJm)
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 13, 2012 12:28 PM (xm1A1)
Maslow's Heirarchy of Need.... Its all good fun going after OTHER peoples stuff.... right up until they come for YOURs.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 13, 2012 08:33 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 13, 2012 08:33 AM (ogdab)
Posted by: Ed Gibbon at July 13, 2012 08:33 AM (4eNxd)
That one's just brilliant. Tax the wealth and you get ONE shot at it. Say you turn it into a high-speed rail line from Scranton to Wilkes-Barre that no one uses. Now what?Posted by: t-bird
What they are proposing is worse than that. They want to use it for ongoing expenses!!! Insanity.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at July 13, 2012 08:34 AM (Vcb44)
Posted by: Mallamutt"
Then let's not. Let them eat each other.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at July 13, 2012 08:34 AM (Y2CR/)
Posted by: toby928© at July 13, 2012 08:35 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 13, 2012 12:30 PM (kSaUf)
Private Security companies.... with Police Powers... they ARE almost inevitable at this point.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 13, 2012 08:35 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: toby928© at July 13, 2012 08:35 AM (evdj2)
Probably watches Star Trek TNG reruns every night
Posted by: kbdabear at July 13, 2012 08:36 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Mallamutt"
Then let's not. Let them eat each other.
But....that's MEAN!!!!
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 13, 2012 08:36 AM (YmPwQ)
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We are not in the in the beginning of the middle or even the end of the middle, we are at the beginning of the end to paraphrase an old dead WASP.
Posted by: RioBravo at July 13, 2012 08:36 AM (eEfYn)
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Common theme..... "we are SO caring and SO compassionate, we are willing to take all you have, silence any opposition, threaten naysayers, beat up opponents, lie about your leaders, cheat to win.... because we are the nice people at heart."
Posted by: fixerupper at July 13, 2012 08:38 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: Keith Olberman at July 13, 2012 08:38 AM (hbuAs)
They deserve everything they get in Scranton.
Posted by: mpfs at July 13, 2012 08:41 AM (iYbLN)
I don't think that's ever been tried before.
Successfully. Posted by: Keith Olberman at July 13, 2012 12:38 PM
But those evil cable companies make you pay extra to get Current TV. Mom doesn't want to pay that unless I mow the lawn
Posted by: DUmmie at July 13, 2012 08:42 AM (Y+DPZ)
The way they tax income, I'll never accumulate any wealth to tax.
Yes, I realize this is by design.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 13, 2012 08:42 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2012 08:43 AM (Ts9tU)
Money NEVER rests. It is always working. I may have $10k in my checking account. But that money isn't sitting there. 1) It's earning me interest*, 2) the bank has lent it out on a loan and it is earning the bank interest, 3) the home owner had paid it to the seller. That's at least three people it is working for at the same time it is "sitting" there.
Now, what in the wide, wide world of sports do these fucksticks think the corporations and millionaires are doing with their money?
Who do they do they think is buying GM stock?
Who do they think is buying the local school, fire, road bonds?
But, they have to have this myth that the money is just sitting there--it's a tidy conspiracy that excuses the JEF from failure.
*Except for the money I have in my IOLTA accounts, the state thinks it's fair that the interest earned on money I hold for clients can be confiscated to pay for indigent legal services.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 13, 2012 08:44 AM (kSaUf)
Probably watches Star Trek TNG reruns every night
MAKE IT SO!
Posted by: Captain Jean-luc Retard at July 13, 2012 12:40 PM
I talked a Marin County chick who babysits whales into buying pizza and a beer for me by telling her we didn't have money in the 23rd century. Try that the next time you're at a Starfleet bathhouse in San Francisco, you bald weenie cheese eating surrender monkey!
Posted by: Admiral James T Kirk at July 13, 2012 08:45 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: toby928© at July 13, 2012 08:46 AM (evdj2)
Let's nationalize the police and fire departments to the Federal Level.
No, that's really an argument there... as though a one-size-fits-all solution has lowered costs and improved results for education; lets do it with EVERYTHING! ... is even minimally rational.
I project higher costs, lower services, and no possibility of being able to even find someone to complain to who might have the authority to fix a problem (as with any bureaucracy. But that's just me thinking the result from every time we've ever tried this in history might be repeated.
Clearly they know better. Sure we're zero for...EVER but that just means we're due for one to actually work.
Posted by: gekkobear at July 13, 2012 08:46 AM (X0NX1)
Why don't we just charge it to Mr Underhill's account?
Posted by: Jon in TX at July 13, 2012 08:47 AM (PKRPm)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at July 13, 2012 08:48 AM (qwK3S)
21. $7.25/hour is not a living wage --do you suggest employees stop living?
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No petunia...I suggest the 7.25/hr jobs are perfectly suitable for teenagers and low skilled/low apptitude employees. If you find your self having to support a family on 7.25/hr, guess what?? YOU'RE DOING LIFE WRONG!! get two or three 7.25/hr jobs. And while you're toiling away think about what a fuckin loser you are by taking taking summer jobs away from little Johnny, Suzie and Corkie.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 13, 2012 08:49 AM (eavT+)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 13, 2012 08:49 AM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 13, 2012 08:52 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Zombie Dali at July 13, 2012 08:56 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: toby928© at July 13, 2012 12:46 PM (evdj2)
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Pffft...I just wiped my ass with Benjamin.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 13, 2012 08:56 AM (eavT+)
Posted by: Jon in TX at July 13, 2012 08:58 AM (PKRPm)
Clearly the problem that the person who posted #89 (in the thread, not here) has is
a) racism, and-slash-or
b) poor messaging
She simply hasn't been told a good enough story.
Posted by: reason at July 13, 2012 08:59 AM (kZVsz)
Here in CA, i've run into people who have made comments like "Who would have ever predicted a city going bankrupt?" .. to which I say "uhh you've never listened to ANY of my rants? JEEZUZ"
Its maddening. Heart attack inducing madness. These things are so predictable its childs play. I've long said that some people don't UNDERSTAND math. They see it as some abstract thing. They cannot do simple arithmetic in their head, as they've all grown up with calculators. Its like someone born deaf.. If they don't learn a language, they will be a stupid, empty shell and an automaton. We think in our native language, so without language, we cannot understand anything other than basic needs.
Its the same with math. If you never learn it, you cannot think it. Numbers mean nothing to an entire generation. It should scare everyone. Obama the idiot is a person I KNOW doesn't understand numbers... So theres that
Posted by: The Teller of Hard Facts at July 13, 2012 08:59 AM (mLZe7)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 13, 2012 09:00 AM (L7hol)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at July 13, 2012 09:03 AM (wWZWw)
"Someone with more than me is wealthy. Kill them, make sure their kids are strippped of all inheritance and make sure alll their property goes to the state."
Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 13, 2012 09:05 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Jon in TX at July 13, 2012 12:47 PM
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That's too simple. You see, it's all ball bearings these days, these kids and their Fetzer valves.
Posted by: Time Travelling Flaneur at July 13, 2012 09:06 AM (ay6+/)
"and yes I have plenty of other ideas. Have you ever heard of socialism?"
There are places in this world that already do that. Right now.
Move there.
Posted by: reason at July 13, 2012 09:08 AM (kZVsz)
I miss DU.
I used to troll over there all the time. Just make a benign comment about how Reagan was a great president or how raising taxes kills jobs, sit back and watch the venom flow.
For double fun, slip in a pro-choice comment.
Posted by: Max Entropy at July 13, 2012 09:11 AM (h+yUa)
Has anyone devolved to calling people racist yet on the DU thread?
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at July 13, 2012 09:11 AM (wWZWw)
"I think some Republicans are about to be born on those DU threads."
Would be nice, but I believe still unlikely. They'll just stop posting on DU, and move to HuffPo or somesuch. More palatable liberalism.
Posted by: reason at July 13, 2012 09:12 AM (kZVsz)
Posted by: toby928© at July 13, 2012 09:12 AM (evdj2)
Wait...I think I got that backwards.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 13, 2012 09:13 AM (L7hol)
The best way to deal with them is to do exactly what LauraW has done here: Shine a bright light upon them.
Posted by: Lee Reynolds at July 13, 2012 09:13 AM (rJMw2)
Posted by: The Drizzle at July 13, 2012 09:19 AM (ysCLj)
Notice how these idiots on DU want to tax anything that doesnt affect them? Most of them probably rent apartments, so they dont mind huge property taxes. I hate, loathe, and reject utterly the simple-minded childishness of the left wing of this country.
Posted by: The Drizzle at July 13, 2012 01:19 PM
Yet, they pay for those taxes in their rent. Fools and liars. That is the American left.
Posted by: Mark at July 13, 2012 09:21 AM (RcFeB)
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"Theft" is pretty mild - "Armed Robbery" is a little closer to what's going on.
Posted by: A One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at July 13, 2012 09:26 AM (eMtQ2)
We REALLY have to get the schools out of the hands of these idiots. Just give everyone vouchers and let them sort themselves out.
And to the Teller of Hard Facts I would add that I have always considered Obama to be completely innumerate. I don't think he has the slightest idea what a trillion dollars is. Every number I have ever heard him mention has been wrong no matter in what context he used it... right down to not knowing how many states are in the union.
Posted by: Voluble at July 13, 2012 09:29 AM (/JaED)
Posted by: Theresa at July 13, 2012 09:30 AM (36Yg+)
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The rest of us are too kind to kill them.
Posted by: Laura Castellano at July 13, 2012 09:31 AM (fuw6p)
"One thing we probably need is a television station akin to Fox news that tells OUR side of the story. Maybe that would be a way to reach people."
Bwahahahahaha!!!
Posted by: NC Ref at July 13, 2012 09:35 AM (/izg2)
Last time I was there, I burned out the logic board on my Fapometer, and I dare not risk visiting again until I get it repaired.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 13, 2012 09:37 AM (L7hol)
Might be a bit of an eye opener for them.
Posted by: epobirs at July 13, 2012 09:39 AM (kcfmt)
I like how one guy thinks the answer to our budget problems is to start locking up political prisoners (Grover Norquist) and siezing all their personal assets.
Yeah, that'll help. It's always awesome when governments start doing that.
Posted by: entropy at July 13, 2012 09:47 AM (TULs6)
Thanks for posting Laura. Never been to the DU site, but it was worth it. Absolute laugh riot, and at the same time very demoralizing that there are people in this country this consistently stupid.
The ringleader, or original poster, and a self-identified socialist was the most risible of the bunch. As you summarized, every legitimate question of basic economics was turned away without comment. These idiots will have their brave new world when the laws of basic arithmetic (to say nothing of economics and human nature) are struck down.
Posted by: Alamo at July 13, 2012 09:48 AM (m/tN9)
Posted by: Highsmith at July 13, 2012 09:49 AM (uwaMU)
So, have any DUmmies done a survey of Scranton police, firefighters, and bureaucrats to see how many of them own their homes and possibly some real estate beyond that?
I'm not going to 'bite' on rethuglican talking points. If you try to use sense or numbers I will scream nah-nah-nah I can't hear you.
Posted by: entropy at July 13, 2012 09:49 AM (TULs6)
Fvck these people
What is the point of such half assed sanitation? If I spray a turd with lysol will you wear it like a hat?
Say it or don't say it bvt what does making ovr cvrses Roman have to do with anything?
Posted by: entropy at July 13, 2012 09:51 AM (TULs6)
What would Washington or Jefferson think of this shit?
Take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: Yr. Obd't G. Washington at July 13, 2012 09:54 AM (zF6Iw)
Lots of people do it, highsmith. A more popular one is "f**k".
I don't get why. It seems like baby-splitting.
Posted by: entropy at July 13, 2012 09:56 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: jukin at July 13, 2012 10:01 AM (5oKRH)
Having police and fire protection isn't the problem and they know it. "Strawman" is a bit too substantial for their argument, maybe rotting-fungus man would be better.
Posted by: Spikeish Lee at July 13, 2012 10:02 AM (RsuzN)
Posted by: hjb at July 13, 2012 10:21 AM (F64bC)
Posted by: steve walsh at July 13, 2012 10:21 AM (9TS9J)
* Sure there's money. It works like this:
Step 1: Raise taxes!
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Boom. Money.
See?
+ Maybe people don't want their taxes raised.
* Those people are evil and greedy. And probably also millionaires with cats. Cat people suck. Tax them some more.
+ But what if they don't have money to tax?
* They're hiding it. I suggest rectal exams.
+ That's your solution to everything!
* Whatever works, brah.
Posted by: Book at July 13, 2012 10:24 AM (BJMkh)
Posted by: markn at July 13, 2012 10:29 AM (P6yGq)
Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at July 13, 2012 11:16 AM (1iauC)
Posted by: Secret Service Agent X, Colombian Advance Detail at July 13, 2012 11:22 AM (KCuY9)
Posted by: DizzyMissL at July 13, 2012 11:31 AM (8S+r3)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 13, 2012 02:49 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: rickl at July 13, 2012 04:14 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Scrooge McDuck at July 13, 2012 04:41 PM (m+4Co)
Posted by: teh dave at July 13, 2012 06:42 PM (nsV+W)
They are what you call "selfless narcissists". they also suffer froma pathological inability to face reality.
In a sense, they are fucked in the head.
Posted by: Hard Right at July 13, 2012 09:44 PM (wZ6sg)
LOL. Now that right there is a keeper.
Posted by: farsighted at July 14, 2012 05:46 AM (Dx6XK)
Socialism is wonderful only when it's somebody else's money.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 14, 2012 08:42 AM (qYiIT)
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