Their plan, I think, is this: Seniors might accept that Medicare must be reformed in order to extend the solvency of Medicare, to keep the system functioning.

But seniors may not be keen on simply taking $710 billion of the benefits they paid for their whole lives and giving them to people who did not pay for such benefits.

If you're in economic difficulties, you may be willing to cut back on your own spending so that one day you'll emerge from debt.

But what you might not agree to is devoting a large portion of your income to supporting other people.      

Exactly, but it doesn't matter because it still opens up "trust"....

after 8 or arguably 12 years of rage from the left on the right unethically aided by press biasÂ….

being offered the con because the news would NOT report on realities from his recordÂ….

1) hey I will end racism and partisan rancorÂ….I will be the person who leads to healing

2) I am to the left and the right of John McCain on the economy I can lower YOUR taxes and raise HIS taxes and itÂ’ll only give good results and FAIRNESS!

3) HEALTHCARE FOR ALL ELEVENTY!!!

4) I have a plan to end the wars without weakness I won’t use rendition or ‘gitmo home in 6 months tops….we need a long committment

5) Free debt forgiveness we NEED NATION BUILDING AT HOME!

I can forgive themÂ…..

Forty-three percent of nonvoters are Obama supporters, the survey found, while 20 percent of the nonvoters support Romney, 18 percent back a third-party candidate and 15 percent are undecided.

“This poll is a good news-bad news story for Barack Obama,” poll director David Paleologos said in a statement. “The good news is that there is a treasure chest of voters he doesn’t even have to persuade — they already like him and dislike Mitt Romney. He just needs to unlock the chest and get them out to vote. The bad news is that these people won’t vote because they feel beaten down by empty promises, a bad economy and the negativity of both parties. Obama has lost time — and the key — to open that treasure chest.”

Posted by: October Surprise at August 15, 2012 06:01 PM (60GaT)

David Hasselfhoff's car?

Paul Ryan dresses in rumpled too big suits.

I thought that was David Byrne  of the Talking Heads.

Math is HAAAAARRRRRDDDDD......

Which is why the nancy-boys on the left don't understand it -

"...it is beginning to become apparent that the Democrats are totally unprepared for the coming fight."

Whatdoyamean!?!  Tax the rich, you racist bastard!!! Oh, and Romney's a war-monger now, besides being a dog-abusing, tax-cheat, felon, and murderer.

'...The “Ryan did it too” defense is perhaps the most amusing of the three, as it succeeds in being simultaneously untrue, irrelevant, and an admission of the basic charge against the Democrats. ...'

I always enjoy when people admit you're right about them while they're trying to defend themselves. But most people aren't that logical. They just look at who's being "mean".

The reason why it won't work is because the average person already has it in their heads that the GOP wants to destroy these programs and the Dems want to preserve them. So no matter what Romney says, people are going to instinctively side with the Dems for the simple reason that the Dems are always more pro-handout historically.

This is sort of like John Kerry slamming Bush for being too soft on terrorism, whatever he would say would be dismissed as untrue simply because the public had no doubt, based on past actions, that Bush and the Republicans were tough on terrorism.

The surest way to save Medicare is to take $700 billion out of it and then create a new health care entitlement elsewhere. It's science.

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or.

“Now, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about, Joe? YouÂ’re telling me we have to go bankrupt medicare to save it?  The answer is yes, that's what IÂ’m telling you.”

VP Joe Biden

Posted by: October Surprise at August 15, 2012 06:01 PM (60GaT)

A racist color change too.  He used to be Eartha Kit Romney.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at August 15, 2012 06:04 PM (Gk3SS)

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Parts of it are still unwritten.  And, it looks like they never will be.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (RZ8pf)

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from that article:

The man from Janesville, Wis., was hoisted onto the love pedestal, a nerd suddenly out of his loafers and into the sex dreams of Republicans, who apparently, unlike Democrats, need this kind of thing.

they don't remember the donk women drooling over Clinton/Gore, and the ladies fainting at Obama events? Even Chrissy Matthews tingling? Now those bitchez have gone too far, they won't even let us have our own cotdam eye candy.

This is war.

Posted by: CJK at August 15, 2012 06:05 PM (XGZYX)

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1. CBO documents that $716 billion was taken from medicare.

2. The highest approval for Ryan's plan last year was from the over 65 crowd.

ObamaÂ’s lawless bypass of Congress in granting blanket amnesty to millions of illegal aliens began this morning across America.

Tens of thousands of illegals lined up early, and flooded into DHS centers to apply for nearly automatic 2-year stays from deportation and work permits, with far looser provisions and requirements than were ever imagined in any version of the 3-times defeated ‘Dream Act’ in Congress.

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All-Star Game MVP Melky Cabrera was suspended for 50 games without pay Wednesday after the San Francisco Giants outfielder tested positive for testosterone.

Major League Baseball said Cabrera tested positive for the banned performance-enhancing substance in violation of the drug agreement between owners and the players' association.

"My positive test was the result of my use of a substance I should not have used," Cabrera said in a statement released by the union. "I accept my suspension under the Joint Drug Program and I will try to move on with my life. I am deeply sorry for my mistake and I apologize to my teammates, to the San Francisco Giants organization and to the fans for letting them down."

That's awesome for Felix!  He's been building up to something special for the past month.  Wouldn't surprise me if he threw another no-no this season, too.

Dems have treated the American Electorate as idiots for years... and been rewarded for it because they were able to cow the Repubs into not fighting...

Now, we see some Repubs treating the American Electorate like adults who know how to balance a checkbook.... and its working...

The US is ADVANCED citizenship... and has somehow worked for a couple of hundred years... now we will see if it will continue to work...

Posted by: BlackOrchidMissesDagny at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (J6kXj)

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Plus, doesn't it also look a little better for the general population that Ryan buys his suits off the rack too?

You know, I didn't care for the idea of Ryan as a VP pick, beforehand, just because of his lack of executive experience, and how he's in the relatively humble House, and not even the Senate.

But now that he's the pick, I find myself being downright excited about it. It has made this election all about being grown-ups about our national finances, and has provided the ticket with a spokesman who is not only charismatic (in every way), but who really, really knows his shit - inside and out. He complements Romney's complete lack of experience within the Federal government. He is one of the few people who has publically and officially (and respectfully) lectured Obama like the little boy that he (Obama) is. He garners respect from both sides of the aisle (and there may actually be Democrats left who are privately freaked out about this train that's headed straight for the river crossing, where the bridge was never completed.

In short, the guy is AWESOME!!

I know this surprises a lot of people here, but the average person is in no way, shape, or form intellectually capable enough to figure out who is right and who is wrong on the Medicare argument. They will therefore side with the Dems because historically speaking the Dems are more in favor of these programs than the Republicans.

See, this is why you don't move the argument to the enemy's turf. It only benefits the enemy. This isn't hard, it's just Politics 101.

Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2012 06:19 PM (5H6zj)

I think he should campaign in a gillie suit.

TAPPER: “One of the concerns about health care and how you pay for it — one third of the funding comes from cuts to Medicare.”

BARACK OBAMA: “Right.”

TAPPER: “A lot of times, as you know, what happens in Congress is somebody will do something bold and then Congress, close to election season, will undo it.”

OBAMA: “Right.”

TAPPER: “You saw that with the ‘doc fix’.”

OBAMA: “Right.”

TAPPER: “Are you willing to pledge that whatever cuts in Medicare are being made to fund health insurance, one third of it, that you will veto anything that tries to undo that?”

OBAMA: “Yes. I actually have said that it is important for us to make sure this thing is deficit neutral, without tricks. I said I wouldn’t sign a bill that didn’t meet that criteria.”

A law enforcement official has identified the suspect arrested in Wednesday's shooting as Floyd Corkins II of Herndon, Va. Investigators were interviewing his neighbors.

Another official says the shooter made a negative reference about the work of the Family Research Council before opening fire. The officials spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation.

David Mariner is executive director of The DC Center for the LGBT Community. He says Corkins had been volunteering at the center for about the past 6 months. Mariner describes Corkins as "kind, gentle and unassuming."

Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2012 06:19 PM (5H6zj)

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It's funny, I just grabbed a pic off google images of him looking James Bondish or Don Draperlike on the katy perry thread. He can look GQ if he wants to, orange tie and all.

Classy

They have to pound the "it will not affect anyone under 55 part in"

The asshole pundits on TV keep missing this point, maybe on purpose.

Beckel on the 5 last night said he didn't know that, but he is a dipshit

*cough* delegation doctrine *cough*

Yea, that's always stopped them.

/sarc

Re 121. Are you using the noun Biden as a person, place or thing?

I thought "Biden" was a verb:  "To perpetually insert foot in mouth".

A Romney campaign aide confirms to CNN that Artur Davis will stump for the presumptive Republican presidential nominee in the battleground state of Virginia.

You can't blame him!  Who wants to be on the wrong side of history now that we know exactly who B.O. is and how much he stinks!

>>Portman and Kasich at the rally, I think

If Natalie Portman opens her worm-hole, it's all over.

Posted by: CJK at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (XGZYX) <<<<<

No, the problem is that most of these posters are riding on intellectual crotch rockets while you lecture them from your tricycle.

If RR can keep this going in the simplified manner as they have been,  people will understand.  The SCOAMT stole from seniors to give to their political buddies.

I think  R or R should  also  start talking about the money they stole from us (Porkulus) to give to corrupt union leaders and political favorites. 

I've read the Bell Curve, apparently you have not.

What do you want, a cookie?

Posted by: CJK at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (XGZYX

Yeah, and you've also read Mein Kampf and are a professed fan.  You told us and highly recommend we all read it.

Go troll somewhere else, Nazi-Boy.

Posted by: CJK at August 13, 2012 12:48 PM (XGZYX)"

http://minx.cc/?post=331871

Or this gem

"It's too late for Romnney to save his campaign. He's fucked, as are the rest of us thanks to his inexplicable decisions. But if he wants to limit the damage he should spend every week unvailing some new plan to help the unemployed and revive the middle class. Even if the plans are complete bullshit, at least it will make it look like he cares. He should start talking about social issues more, not as a main theme but as a subtext. He should fire his campaign staff. He needs to go for Obama's throat by constantly attacking hiscontempt formiddle America and his total lack of leadership on anything."

Oh thank you so much for returning to tell Romney how to run his campaign. I don't know what we'd do without you *sniff*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at August 15, 2012 06:35 PM (Gk3SS

Here, atc.  Have some dark chocolate-covered Jelly Bellies instead.

"I hear Bill Clinton is already practicing his speech in support of obama so he can deliver it with a straight face..."

Hello, Barak?  Yes, I decided I will deliver that speech at the Convention under one condition.  You fetch me a cup of coffee first...

>>I'd like a cookie.

Chocolate Chip or Oatmeal Raisin?

I'd like a cookie.

I just a felt a tingle run up my leg.

Store bought OK?

My name is Garrett and I have a  Jelly-Belly addiction.

I'd like a cookie. And a sammich

My cookies bring all the girls to the yard.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 15, 2012 06:41 PM (ZKAOP)

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I might have to move then.

>>if you were Michelle Obama, what kind of cookie would you be..?

a big ASS cookie!

"197 If RR can keep this going in the simplified manner as they have been, people will understand. The SCOAMT stole from seniors to give to their political buddies.

I think R or R should also start talking about the money they stole from us (Porkulus) to give to corrupt union leaders and political favorites."

Excellent idea.

I could add that the seniors, especially must be told (1) they took your money and lied about it (2) we're going to not only get it back, but preserve the system for your kids

Adding that they gave it to their political buddies is a nice bonus, and it's about time somebody talked about the greatest heist in human history.

a big ASS cookie!

You can say that again.

The reason that ACA took the money out of Medicare was for the CBO scoring. It was a total propaganda move, and it was a lie.  They did this to make it look like they were "bending the cost curve" to create this new bureaucracy and the state exchanges (which would hire more government employees that are part of AFSCME or SEIU) and fewer private employees working for those evil insurance companies would have jobs. This is part of the long-term Democrat strategy to make more people "permanent" Democrat voters, regardless of what the effects are on the economy.

They all promised "the doc fix" where at some unspecified future time the money would be put back into Medicare.  So now the way the Democrats structured ACA is turning around to bite them, because Ryan and Romney are willing to fight them on this and campaign on this point. So , so sad for Barack the Liar.

And don't think that the over-65 crowd doesn't get it. They all pay very close attention to what the government is doing to various parts of Medicare.  Medicare Advantage, which was a partially subsidized (depending on your personal wealth) program for buying bridge health insurance to help cover costs, was a very popular program with Seniors that had some money saved, which is a not insignificant number of the over-65 crowd.

Those people were/are plenty pissed that ACA (Obamacare) was taking Medicare Advantage away.  And they vote.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 15, 2012 06:43 PM (ZKAOP)

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You betcha!  I'll have my kiddo box some up and ship it to you as soon as he gets home next month.  He owes you one!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 15, 2012 06:01 PM (r4wIV)

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It happened in DC, didn't it?  DC of the ridiculous gun laws?  I wouldn't be surprised if the authorities charged the defender for illegally carrying.

Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 15, 2012 06:11 PM (UljOc)

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Ryan needs a big suit to fit those huge brass balls he's got .

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 15, 2012 06:50 PM (ZKAOP)

Any of the local places that has a TON of different beer will be able to order it for you.  I used to have a place like that order me cases of Sprecher Root Beer.

Obama and the Democrats cut over half a Trillion dollars from Medicare and put it in Obamacare to pay for uninsured "Americans" -- tens of millions of whom are not Americans at all.  Millions of the uninsured  in this country are illegal aliens -- or "dreamers" as Obama is now calling them.  Cutting Medicare spending and putting the money into more taxpayer-financed health insurance for Third World illegal aliens is part of Barry's wealth re-distribution scheme, to make the world that the evil white man rules more "fair."

BTW, more than 12,000 illegal aliens showed up today in Chicago at a single free legal clinic for illegal aliens who want help applying for Barry's new Amnesty-by-imperial-executive-fiat plan.  Twelve thousand illegal aliens, in one section of one city.  Nobody knows how many illegal aliens will be applying for Barry's Imperial amnesty -- and there are no limits on how many can receive it. 

Think ICE is going to have any time to deal with deporting foreign criminals when they have millions of amnesty applications to process?  Think Obama's administration is going to put a priority on getting rid of foreign criminals, or giving amnesty to millions of new Obama voters?

Meanwhile, Congress does nothing while Obama refuses to enforce existing law and issues his imperial decrees in violation of both his oath of office and the U.S. Constitution.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 15, 2012 06:46 PM (P6QsQ

Your kid is coming home next month too?  Awesome!!!! 

"179(CNN) - A former four-term Democratic congressman from Alabama and one time strong supporter of President Barack Obama will campaign for Mitt Romney Wednesday."

Wow.  Doesn't that guy know that the penalty for that sort of thing is to be "put in chains"?

AtC I am actually having Chocolate Chip cookies right now.....4 and counting

Milk too

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2012 06:54 PM (UOM4

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Yep Jane - can't wait.  He emailed me yesterday to say that they've started packing up some of their trunks.  Should be home late September.

>>Your "proof" was "I read a book".

The Science is settled!

<<and it was a lie. They did this to make it look like they were "bending the cost curve" to create this new bureaucracy and the state exchanges >>

Excellent R & R will skewer them with this lie.

Ryan said it at the health care summit right to the God King's face...."your'e counting this money twice"

despite what the douchetroll thinks people will get this....it's happened before....another R R if I'm not mistaken.

Hammer it over and over again let Biden and The One squirm and whine about how unfair it is and hit them again the next day......

Posted by: Gabby Gifford at August 15, 2012 06:09 PM (hvwLi)

I read "The Bell Curve" a dozen years ago at least

Sorry, Mang. Your cookie is moldy by now.

Posted by: mama winger in Paul Ryan's district at August 15, 2012 07:00 PM (P6QsQ

I wouldn't be surprised.  Shipped our kid's guitar Priority Mail (and it cost a small fortune) and it took two months to get to him.  He's shipping it home.  I doubt it will be here when he arrives.

Posted by: CJK at August 15, 2012 06:48 PM (XGZYX)"

You misunderstand the nature of intelligence. I have a friend whose IQ rocks the scale, a guy who conceptualizes telecommunications networks for a living. You know that cloud that shows up on network diagrams? He's the guy who sees behind the cloud. He's a Mensa guy but solid and grounded and not a snob. Anyway, I asked him once if he sometimes feels a certain amount of impatience dealing with, well, people like me who are not Mensa guys. His reply? 'Intellect is not wisdom.'

Most people, wherever their place on the intellectual spectrum, can grasp the basics of just about any given argument if the premises and conclusions are clearly defined. 'Average' does not mean what you seem to think it means.

"268 So far, nobody has disputed anything I have said with actual evidence. The average person is far less intelligent than people who actually go on political websites like these. It's therefore an absurdity to suggest that an election can be won by simple "argument" like we're in a debate team, rather than emotive appeal to the broad masses whose intelligence is merely average by definition."

It's a fair point worth keeping in mind. Liberals are focused on feelings the most, but the middle ground where the battle is won or lost has a mix of people of various sensibilities.

But people who have NEVER concerned themselves with politics before can just tell that something is just not right, and are waking up. To me, I look at the commercials - which try to be non-partisan - and see that they casually throw out phrases like "these days", and "especially in this economy." You don't have to pay much attention to see that things were cooking along decently for most of the Bush administration, and that things are bad now, and aren't getting any better. Some may even notice that Obama has blamed Bush for "the mess", but then signed off on extending Bush's tax cuts - to help the economy!

But this is why it's so important, IMHO, that Obama's own words be used - in full context - to show (1) that he's a big-time liar (2) that he thinks everything is going great, and all he cares about is creating government jobs - for his cronies - that will bloat the budget deficit even further and (3) that his way of looking at things is profoundly anti-American. It might not hurt to show what a narcissist the bastard is, too.

Posted by: CJK

If you'd really read the Bell Curve (or anything else) you'd know that dumb people thankfully don't vote.