1 Posted on a dead thread, but it applies here as well. So, to deal with the Oprahfication of America from the earlier thread and the balkanization of America into different groups of this thread without changing the conservative message you have to do two things. 1. Create a grass roots outreach programs that goes out to different communities and CONNECTS THE DOTS between conservative principles and the people in that community's particular situations. Before you do that, you LISTEN to their problems and say "I understand your problem." Then you say "here is how conservative principles implemented in this community will help YOUR problem (not everyone's problem -- YOUR problem). 2. You explain "white rich male" anger to combat the left's characterization of all white men as racist, sexist, and classist. The left has poisoned the well here and it has to be dealt with. We need to go out and say, "these white men are angry because they have worked hard all their lives and now the government wants to take it away, just when I have enough money to actually help other people (through charity or your family or by starting and growing your business or whatever." Invite people to stand in your shoes. Just my thoughts.

2 all those words? Here: The Democrats are excellent politicians. The GOP are awful politicians.

3 ere: The Democrats are excellent politicians. The GOP are awful politicians.


 MSM...

4 Let's make this easy.  No more early voting.  It gives them too much time to drag every welfare queen to the poll.  Also Voter ID, no same day registration.

You want to vote?  Do it like the rest of the world, on ONE DAY.

5 Mark Levin speaks truth
http://tinyurl.com/ae376gl

Time for the old crusty GOP to GTFO

6 Early voting sucks

7 How to stimulate a low information voter to your side. Simple.

8 But can a guy who isn't Obama but the next in line white liberal male get that kind of turn out from those groups? Could plugs biden? or Cuomo? generate the celeb rock star aura?

9 Ari Fleischer points out the silver lining is that so far, Romney is winning independents. ThatÂ’s not a silver lining, thatÂ’s worse news: Democrats donÂ’t really need independents anymore. ___________ Yep--I read this the other day. Remember when we were wondering why Obama did not really "moderate" his message? He didn't have to.

10 Do not spend money at Democrat businesses, do not pay their advertisers buy purchasing their goods, either. Don't spend any money this holiday season except by cash to sellers who give you a break on the price by not giving the government the taxes. If the folks who drive the economy stop spending, it will be a Scorched Earth response to the left. Let the economy burn!

11 Why is that good news? Because any technological advantage will be quickly ripped off, imitated, pirated.




If your constantly ripping off your opponents stuff you will never get ahead of the game. It's like every time I hear USADA or WADA say we have found this steroid or this performance enhancer, the cheaters are always one step ahead. From my perspective that was very apparent in this election, dems were always first to respond first to create.

12 I cannot believe what I am reading here. In the other thread people are shocked that only 1-in-3 registered Republicans turned out to vote. Shocked! They're sitting there in disbelief that people just like them, people who know exactly what they know about what's happening just sat home because they didn't care enough to vote. Get out of your bubbles.

13 The GOP has been doing similar things for years.   The old Rove strategy focused on gun lovers, prolifers, religious, and oh yeah fiscal conservatives.   Boy it's a lot of fun making cold calls to people to figure out if they're one of ours or not.  

At least the NRA and Fish &Game can give us lists of members.    The rest? Not so much.  My church would never give out a list of parishoners and I don't know who would.

And yeah it's mostly social con stuff so good luck with that.  I had to explain to one lady what partial-birth abortion was.  She just got angry at me and hung up.   Even people who are sympathetic don't want to talk about it.

14 I say copy it. Why can't we make appeals to gender/race? If that is what works, then do it. I don't care anymore. Most of my liberal friends on Facebook were voting for social issues...not financial issues. Hard to believe, but true. Most of them were talking about birth control and gay marriage. Not the unemployment rate, Benghazi or food stamps. So, we need to purposefully pick candidates who can show that Republicans are diverse. No more white males. I don't care if they are the 'most qualified.' Obama was not the most qualified and he won twice. I want to see only women and minorities on the ticket for President and VP from now on. You might think they will get the Condoleeza treatment, but the only way to combat the image of 'rich white Republican' is to constantly put up candidates who don't fit that image. Sorry, it's true. And we have plenty of minorities and women available with experience and appeal who will be able to turn things around. Can we not all admit that the reason McCain did better than Romney was because his VP candidate was a woman???? It is TRUE. People vote and get excited for emotional reasons...not practical reasons. The more we can accept that, the better for the party.

15 If your constantly ripping off your opponents stuff you will never get ahead of the game.

Works for us.

16 But for Obama and the Democrats, it's Game On. They can sow the seeds of Hate -- always a strong motivating emotion in an election -- without any embarrassment and without being called on it by anyone.

_______________________________________


It's so beyond that at this point.  Calling out Obama's supporters who support him for reasons of race or free stuff is now racist.  See, f. Obama Phone lady.

17 What the fuck is this dumbshit.

Poor people went out to vote because of Obama. The man. That get out the vote effort isn't going to be matched by the Democrats ever again.

And it wouldn't have mattered if the dumbshit GOP primary voters hadn't nominated a bunch of really dumbshit candidates for Senate who dragged Romney down in key states.

Time to get the picture: shut the fuck up about abortion and rape, dumbshits. Do not nominate candidates who are dumbshits who say dumbshit things that turn off so many women. Go negative early and hard the way the Dems do. When they attack capitalism, don't do weak-ass defenses, attack them back. Optimism does not win elections. That is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard.

Voting is a negative act, dumbshits.

Sometimes I think this party is too stupid to survive.

18 But for Obama and the Democrats, it's Game On. They can sow the seeds of Hate -- always a strong motivating emotion in an election -- without any embarrassment and without being called on it by anyone.

All the more reason to let it burn.  We can't win anymore, and there's no where to move to escape.  I would be fine to let them have the America they want, if I could just get away from them.  But the sad reality is that there is nowhere I can run to that has what I want.

19 If our problems with this election really were all of mechanical, organizational nature, what the hell has Willard the experienced executive been doing????

20 But for Obama and the Democrats, it's Game On. They can sow the seeds of Hate -- always a strong motivating emotion in an election -- without any embarrassment and without being called on it by anyone. _______________ ^This a thousand times. I wonder if that somehow depresses Republican turnout?

21 More data is coming out, the tech edge is glaring, and sounds like republican gotv was anything but, and interestingly a ton of white voters who could have and should have voted for romney where it counted (ohio) stayed home.  like millions of them.   interesting stuff.

22 Let. It. Burn.

23 We have to start using data mining to at least some extent... Obviously our GOTV is a big sham as it currently stands.

24 19 Ifour problems with this election really were all of mechanical, organizational nature, what the hellhas Willard the experienced executive been doing???? Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2012 01:19 PM (Rn7r2) ____________________ imo Republicans have never had good GOTV--I always think that is a bit of a myth..

25 I would be fine to let them have the America they want, if I could just get away from them. But the sad reality is that there is nowhere I can run to that has what I want.

Quoting myself, but someone please tell me I'm wrong.

26 1984 WAS FICTION!!!!

NOT A GODDAMN INSTRUCTION MANUAL!!!!!


So long, USA.  It's been fun.

27 The Republican Party is a big tent where anyone can come who loves free enterprise and small government. The Democratic party is a bunch of little fucking small tents enraged about their pet issues. Now what?

28 Oh, and another thing: most of the young GOP "volunteers" are College Republicans, and they're not very smart.  Illiterate, innumerate....sorry that's just how it is.   Maybe at elite schools it's different but at Flyover U the CR's get the dregs of daddy's girls and mama's boys who do some scut work for central committee freshman year and then drift away.   If they do well at all they are recruited to staff in DC.

29 I keep saying this and we still keep jumping on stupid shit.  Obama's GOTV lan was not so good.  Hell, he dropped 10 million votes from 2008.


Its that our GOTV also dropped and was shitty.  We lost the key swing States because a LOT of Republicans sat on their stupid ass at home.


I hope they stew in their own damn juices for the next 4 years.

30 Straight up divide and conquer, with databases and email. Punch line is, they're fools if they think they can govern long over the results. They'll be kings of No Man's Land, at best.

31 24 I would really like to punch Shepard Smith. I'd punch Shepard Smith in the face so hard that Kermit Washington's fist would start throbbing. Posted by: Moron in a Converse Snuggie at November 08, 2012 01:20 PM (Ks4nX) _______________ Man Snuggie---somehow that makes me very happy. Thanks!

32 You nailed it..."seeds of hate"...the other guy will KILL you...they do it EVERY time

33 Man, I am so old-fashioned I still think you can persuade people using facts and logic. I should know better -- I work with the products of our educational institutions.

34 When do you think the calls to abolish term limits will start?

35

One thing that strikes me is that Obama is, has been, and will continue to make more or less naked racial/gender appeals to his voters. The sort of appeals that Republicans are not allowed to make.

 

I dont think we should care anymore. Obama didnt care what indies would think of him playing hardball and we should shed this worry as well. We should win the next campaign by branding Democrats as the anti- and Un-American thugs that they are. They wanna play Us Vs. Them? Then we will dig up Joe-fucking-McCarthy!

36 We had a pretty good candidate and lost to a SCOAMF who's been running 8% unemployment, and who was in charge while household income and standard of living went DOWN.  Not to mention the ton of other shit he did wrong.  And we still lost.  We don't have a chance.  What if they actually put a decent candidate out there in 2016?  We are a European nation, the only thing we can do is ride it out until something huge happens. 

37 But I don't know anyone that voted for Obama!

38 sob, zero is crappy but the other guy is crappier worked

39 I think the problem is that they gloves needed to come off. Mitt did a great job in the debates but some things, like Benghazi, were taken off the table. Things that take away from the idea that the JEF is good on foreign policy, or cares about the little people

40

>>It's creepy, and it seems like it should be illegal, but apparently it worked. It turned out a few million non-voters, turned them into Obama voters, and turned the election in Obama's favor.<<

What the hell has this administration done that is NOT illegal? And yet we still play by the rules on this side, and still come off as sad and clueless when we lose.

>>This appeal -- appeal to one's tribe -- is powerful. It's also racist, and divisive, and promotes an Us vs. Them mentality... all those things which are terrible if a Republican even hints at it.<<

Hasn't the situation in America just about gotten to the point where the gloves need to come off? Being high-minded won't help a lot once you're inside the re-education camp. (shrug)

41 America will be just fine.

42 The politics of hate and division are the way to go and G-D knows today more than ever I hate a whole boat of people. Harness the power. The Dark Side baby is the way to go

43 Let. It. Burn.

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I'm with you.

44 25  
GOTV--I always think that is a bit of a myth..

You know what it is?  a lot of young paid staffers cranking out phony stats for the top brass. 
"We made 6000 dials last night!"  I mean just utter bullshit inflated numbers.

45 Big mystery why some 'registered Republicans' didn't want to vote for Akin and Mourdoch, eh? Maybe it's because other Republicans, i.e., the base, ran away shrieking and screaming from Akin. The GOP base is just as much to blame for our losses as anyone else. Every time the heat gets turned up by the media/Democrats, the base doesn't stand up. And if the base doesn't stand up for its candidates, why should casual Republicans vote for them?

46 I don't see how this is new. I worked in political data for over fifteen years and collecting data and creating customized targeting for messages was our bread-and-butter.

47 Also, stop fucking relying on outside groups (CHURCHES, Tea Party, etc.) for GOTV. Guess what. They fucking suck. Being outnumbered in offices 2 to 1, 3 to 1 in some states, and thinking that outside groups are going to make up the difference, that is a fucking disgrace.

Either fold those groups into a single GOTV unit or start spending money on a real goddamn ground game the way Bush and Rove did in '04. I'm in PA. I had my door knocked on 3 times in 2004 by Republican GOTVers. On election day. This year? Zip. I bet the "effort" in Ohio wasn't much better.

48

imo Republicans have never had good

GOTV--I always think that is a bit of a myth..

 

Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2012 01:21 PM (r2PLg)

 

I dont talk about Republicans in general. Willard was sold because of his managing skills, his reputation for leading organizations with competence, his private sector experience and now Im told that the guy had no idea how to reach his friggin customers?

49 Sometimes I think this party is too stupid to survive. Posted by: deepelemblues at November 08, 2012 01:19 PM (gF1dk) I knew it you're secretly Pat Caddell

50 "This appeal -- appeal to one's tribe -- is powerful. It's also racist, and divisive, and promotes an Us vs. Them mentality... all those things which are terrible if a Republican even hints at it."

Then fuck it. Why aren't we doing this? We're going to be called racists anyway. I say Game On. Whites are the only race stupid enough to spread their vote around and give a substantial portion to both parties. Maybe its time to start voting as a monolith like other races do.

51 Paper ballots, no electronic machinery.
Voter ID.
Purple dye on finger.

It will never happen.

52 More race blaming. Don't worry, it's not your fault you lost this election. It's all those fucking women and brown people. Stop being racist and soft on rape, and maybe people would start to listen. But, if youd all rather just be racist pigfuckers, go ahead. The rest of the country can move on without your disturbingly outdated social views.

53 Chew on this one:

I was door-to-door targeted because I'm "unaffiliated".
My wife is also unaffiliated, and was not targeted.

By targeted, I mean canvassers showing up at my house and asking for me by name.

They were not interested in my wife, because they knew she requested an early ballot, and I did not.

This is ROMNEY campaign data.
The scenario cuts both ways.

54 35 We won't need term limits if Michelle runs. If 95% of AA vote AA maybe 95% of women will vote for her, although it didn't work for H. Clinton in the primaries.

55 One thing the GOP could do that might help is to give up the habit of rushing to beshit itself every time The Opposition suggests taxing "the rich." They just beat us soundly with the cudgel of class warfare. Why be so eager to arm your opponent?

56 CNN did a report earlier about how fucked up the voting process in Florida was.  The election was OVER and they were still out there standing in line.

WE ARE AMERICA.

This is making a mockery of the process handing one of the single most important things a citizen can do.


Our government 100% fucking sucks ass and it needs to change.

57 I just realized a very sobering thought:

We would have done much better had we run McCain/Palin again.

Jesus...

58 Posted by: KJB at November 08, 2012 01:18 PM (NZvnN)

I think the biggest single mistake Romney made may have been picking another white guy for VP. 

59 The candidate who inspires his base to get off their ass and get to the polls is the one who will win. Looking at VA and OH, Republicans did not do that. We can not give up VA, OH, and FL and win because the Dems always have NY and CA.


Perhaps we should sell CA back to Mexico.  If we did that we would have a chance.

60 I wish I could think a mere technological change could fix things at this point, but I don't have hope for it. Guys, that evil "Rehnquist and Roberts" court, is going to become to Obama court. How in the heck are we going to keep any legislation intact when you have a court of 5 or more Kagans and Sotomayour's who will just make up legal BS?

61 Do you really think the USA will be ruined by this? I don't.

62 My great hope is Obama is the ultimate cult of personality, and that no other Democrat (not even Hillary) will be able to attract people in such a way, at least not for a generation.

Scary.

63 This is actually not very bad news. If you have to scrape the dregs that hard to find voters, still lose 9 million, and have a 'rock star' candidate, things look OK in the future.

64 What if they actually put a decent candidate out there in 2016?

If they nominate a non-black, we have a shot. They won't come out to vote in the same numbers.
If we can overcome the fraud, however.

65 Romney from what I read farmed out the GOTV stuff to the state parties and other groups and it seems a lot of petty shit got in the way.

66 It's creepy, and it seems like it should be illegal, but apparently it worked. It turned out a few million non-voters, turned them into Obama voters, and turned the election in Obama's favor. Now these people have your medical information. I got into a bit of a nasty conversation with my doctor when she was all proudly showing off the interface for the new electronic medical records. She probably checked off that I was bi. I looked at her and said "Thanks for outing me to the insurance company, NHS, various billing departments within this organization, medical researchers and the IRS." She stared at me and I told her that I was not joking. She sputtered and did the whole but but it's private thing and I laughed. Deep data mining, baby, that's what it's all about. Oh hey it also helps that the Dems don't give a shit about lying and utterly misrepresenting all positions either when crafting those messages.

67 I know I never heard back when I volunteered for the election day task force weeks ago. Wasn't thrilled about that, especially since I offered to go to WI or IA if needed. But, in fairness, I did jump on board pretty late. As far as all this goes, we need to play catch up, and the gains we get might have flipped a race like this around since so many states were close. Doesn't change the fact that in an era of monthly 8% unemployment, decreased earnings, and increased debt....people said keep it up. This seems like an election where GOTV should be irrelevant, and that it wasn't speaks to something greater.

68 My great hope is Obama is the ultimate cult of personality, and that no other Democrat (not even Hillary) will be able to attract people in such a way, at least not for a generation. Scary. Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 01:27 PM (b00RV) Until the dems run the major of San Antonio or Los Angeles in the next cycle

69 mayor, not major. ARGHGHH

70

Republicans.... wholesale...

 

Democrats... Retail....

 

Repubicans... We keep prices low for everyone...

 

Democrats... on sale today, just for you... because we LIKE you... Free Shit!

71 Ace your last paragraph is exactly what had me so stunned that I posted a few times and took the rest of the day off yesterday.

I'm still ruminating over the implications.

At some point when I know whether or not we're gonna lose everything this year I will contact you about funding the HQ with my former PAC donations.

Regards,
sven

72 Well this kind of electronic sniffing is the 'Little Boy' to
what did Romney in, but I still think 'Fat Man' did more
damage.

I mean in the final week it all fell apart. Before that the
trend was great.

73 On Drudge is a link about a business owner in LV who laid off 22 employees yesterday. This is revenge, like O told his supporters. Except it is a 2 way street now. Burn them.

74 And, of course, the Zimmerman trial is yet to come, speaking of hate and division.

75 I can't believe the party of slavery would sow the seeds of racial hatred.

76 "The rest of the country can move on without your disturbingly outdated social views." I'm telling you, this is why people did not vote Republican. It was not about the economy. They truly think we are going to take the U.S. back to 1950. So STOP talking about social issues. STOP making that a platform. When asked, you talk about the status quo as being fine. Put women and minorities up there. Put up women who are fiscally conservative, but might be more liberal on social topics. How much do social issues really matter right now when are finances are so screwed up? If they want gay marriage...go for it. If they want abortion on demand...go for it. Clearly, this is where the majority is headed, so just live with it. It is a new America. I have my values and will pass them on to my kids, but that is the best I can do. Why let those two issues take us down every time? Give in. Let them have that stuff until it is no longer an issue. Then we can finally focus on the differences that matter: economy, economy, economy

77 I'd punch Shepard Smith in the face so hard that Vincent Gardenia would order me to leave town.


ENOUGH OF THIS TALK!!







The face is bony and can hurt your hand. Aim for the throat.

78 watch all the DoD contractors in VA start rolling layoffs now, sequestration baby

79 53 More race blaming. Don't worry, it's not your fault you lost this election. It's all those fucking women and brown people.

Oh, ok. Blacks come out for him almost 100% but we are the racists. Women think Romney is going to steal their ladyparts but we are the misogynists.
Go eat a bag of dicks.

80 #47

Its not new, its just improved with central data collection, the ability to store more data, and to make it more widely accessible to a larger number of campaign workers.

My take on this is that the sophisticated data-mining has a sort of "wow" technologic appeal, but it probably only netted Obama a point or less in actual votes.  It might have pushed Obama over the edge, but that's only because the thing was so close.

Our guy just didn't have the appeal to bring in the votes en masse.

81 Don't you guys have jobs? How can you post here all day? Sheesh.

82 Do you really think the USA will be ruined by this? I don't.

Posted by: Blitzen at November 08, 2012 01:27 PM (t1NLo)

Wait till Obamacare hits in full. 
Free Edumacation and free medical.  WAY affordable.

It will be too late when it's over.  There just won't be enough money in the US after all the businesses leave.

83 My great hope is Obama is the ultimate cult of personality, and that no other Democrat (not even Hillary) will be able to attract people in such a way, at least not for a generation.

Scary.

Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 01:27 PM (b00RV)

It's really bad that it has actually come to this, but it just might happen. Hopefully some sort of Gore effect. But considering they have found out that this model has worked why would they change it in the next election?

84 Do you really think the USA will be ruined by this? I don't. Posted by: Blitzen Table for Blitzen, party of one! Maybe you're right. Nobody knows how patient President Math will be.

85 The real problem is that Obama was really the ideal incumbent to be running against. Numerous gaffes, a lousy economic record, and a signature piece of legislation that the majority of Americans oppose.

What is going to happen to us when the Dems drum up a good candidate? We are going to get crushed, and loose the whole shebang.

That's why I am shifting more and more to the SMOD thinking. While Captain Epic Fail is in office give America as much of that fail she voted for as we can stuff down her throat. Stop trying to save them from the misery. They've made it clear either they won't learn without it, or misery is what they want, time to find out which it is. Don't let it be a slow transition to socialism which is what they want, so those that lived in the 80s die along the way so no living memory of prosperity and freedom exists to contrast against the bleak backdrop of soft socialism.

This of course will cost us dearly in the short term, but I think honestly it is the only medicine for the long term.

86 Not denying that we were beat.  But one of the major factors; especially in Ohio and I think Pennsylvania and Florida, was this: 

Read this, look at the video, and tell me why we can assume the winners of elections are legitimate.  This is sworn testimony before the Ohio legislature by the author of the computer program.

http://tinyurl.com/c9q7has

Of course it would be "mean spirited" for the Republicans to look into this.

87
Perhaps we should sell CA back to Mexico. If we did that we would have a chance.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 01:27 PM (YdQQY)

Hell, we should just give CA to Mexico. 

88 and now Im told that the guy had no idea how to reach his friggin customers? Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2012 01:25 PM (8EBWh) __________________ Good point. Romney might have delegated that. (In hindsight maybe he shouldn't have...) deeplemblues comment hits it-- _______________ 48 Also, stop fucking relying on outside groups (CHURCHES, Tea Party, etc.) for GOTV. Guess what. They fucking suck. Being outnumbered in offices 2 to 1, 3 to 1 in some states, and thinking that outside groups are going to make up the difference, that is a fucking disgrace. Either fold those groups into a single GOTV unit or start spending money on a real goddamn ground game the way Bush and Rove did in '04. I'm in PA. I had my door knocked on 3 times in 2004 by Republican GOTVers. On election day. This year? Zip. I bet the "effort" in Ohio wasn't much better. Posted by: deepelemblues at November 08, 2012 01:25 PM (gF1dk)

89 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 08, 2012 01:28 PM (VtjlW)

Better yet, Bambi has already said we spend too much on end-of-life care AND the chronically ill. These are, of course, people with low value to the State.

90 time to round up and kill all Jour-o-list members and their families and the rest of the Liberal MSM..

WE are the only check and balance on the Media.

91 Big deal. Anything that distracts us from the fact that our adversary ideologically now is solidly nothing more than a generic, caring Santa Claus is going to cause great disappointment in coming election cycles.

92 Voting is a negative act, dumbshits.

This is true in most cases.  Only in 1984 and maybe 1988 did we have the other way. People vote because they are afraid of something happening.

93 It's all race/gender based identity politics now. Ask those dumbshit college students if you deserve to keep your own money for woking hard. 90% will say yes, but then will say 'WAR ON WOMEN!' CLEAN ENGERY!' ABORTION!' It's sad, but true.

94 A thought...

How much do you think it would take to "contract" hackers to break into NARWHAL? 

Call it:  Operation Ahab.

95 a business owner in LV who laid off 22 employees yesterday. This is revenge, like O told his supporters. A job is my bet that you can make me money. No business owner is going to cut the jobs of people he is sure are going to make him money.

96 But for Obama and the Democrats, it's Game On. They can sow the seeds of Hate -- always a strong motivating emotion in an election -- without any embarrassment and without being called on it by anyone.

Because the electorate failed.

The people failed.

97 Posted by: © Sponge at November 08, 2012 01:26 PM (UK9cE) the ballot in Florida was 12 pages long, with 10 very wordy ballot amendments it was making a 3 minute ordeal into 15 minutes.

98 I'm calling bullshit on this one. They dropped TEN MILLION VOTERS from 2008. They needed Bill Clinton to come in like Mighty Mouse and save the day. They dropped a metric ton of shit on Mitt Romney's head before he even knew what the hell he was doing, and made him look like an uncaring asshole to millions of people in Ohio and Florida who might have voted Republican. They picked 2 key counties in 9 states and those are the only places Obama went, the only places they worked, and the only places they won. Nothing new about any of this.

99 I think the little people who think Obama cares for them should go stand on a roof in Benghazi and find out the truth.

100 I'm beginning to wonder if all those Rep voters who stayed at home just weren't ahead of us.  Maybe they were already at the Let It Burn phase.

101

I'm not convinced that Geraghty is reading this right.

 

The democrats didn't have a new, secret weapon style GOTV machine.  They lost 10 million of their voters this cycle.  That isn't a great success.

 

Our GOTV effort simply failed.  No one, not one person here or anywhere ever hinted that Romney might not get as many votes as McCain.  It just was an impossibility. 

 

What none of believed was the crap that the polls and Nate Silver were pushing - that Obama was going to increase his 2008 performance.  That didn't happen.  We were right.

 

The Koch brothers, Shelden Addleson and a few other billionaires need to fund a new institution dedicated to preparing candidates, training people in election theory, science and technology, training conservative journalists, preparing staff and a number of other subjects.  We need to get this down to a science to compete.

102 time to round up and kill all Jour-o-list members and their families and the rest of the Liberal MSM..

WE are the only check and balance on the Media.

Really?

103 Posted by: sdfsdf at November 08, 2012 01:33 PM (g6lWQ) Go back to Kos, you faggoot

104 Luckily the Mayor of San Antonio is kind of creepy looking. When thinking bout our chances in the future, it is best to not get too far ahead. No matter who was elected, we are on an unsustainable path. I would feel more better if there were more intact families and less unconnected thugs roaming round when everything collapses, but the moral decay of society (how ironic coming from  gay guy) just is. My ultimate fear for the future is of the collapse of American society and government, when the music stops. That is a ways away though.

105 All the more reason to let it burn. We can't win anymore, and there's no where to move to escape. I would be fine to let them have the America they want, if I could just get away from them. But the sad reality is that there is nowhere I can run to that has what I want.

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 01:19 PM (GQ8sn)

 

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

30 states with repub governors need to make a stand.  Voters understand  strength.  And right now only the strong will survive.  Attraction thru action, not  pandering promotion is going to win voters.  It's a visual nation.

 

The problem  that's always plagued the repubs (which is very evident in this morning's posts) is that we're caught in the trap of trying to please the fucking "groups" that the leftists  and the MFM  have created.

 

Why  are so many people  moving to TX?

106 44 Let. It. Burn.

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I'm with you.

Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 01:24 PM (z9HTb)

Me three.

107 >>If they want gay marriage...go for it. If they want abortion on demand...go for it.

That what I say, particularly since both those things are demographic negatives for whatever cohort has them.

If you want to kill off your unborn children and/or engage in permanent relationships with little chance of having kids. . .great. . .less future votes for your side.

108

Posted by: Thunderb at November 08, 2012 01:30 PM (Dnbau)

 

But... Obama said it was not going to happen... I HEARD Him!... wait... you mean he said it WAS going to happne the very next day???

 

How come I never heard about THAT!!!!

109 This appeal -- appeal to one's tribe -- is powerful. It's also racist, and divisive, and promotes an Us vs. Them mentality... all those things which are terrible if a Republican even hints at it.

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Very true, but the GOP can and needs to combat this.  For the life of me I don't understand why GOP supporters with a microphone don't call out the bad behavior and bad methods of the left.  When Obama or his surrogates do or say something that is divisive or racist, someone on the right needs to spell out that this is what they are doing.  People may not really notice just how bad Obama's behavior is, but when you point it out to them, not only do they see it and probably dislike it, but it makes them more likely to notice the same tactic again in the future (which is actually the greatest benefit of all). 

We have to teach people, show them what the left is doing.  You do this using facts, which are inarguable, and staying away from questioning motives, which can't be proven.  And you do this through repetition. 

Starting around 2009 or 2010, if the right had consistently pointed out every time Obama lied, or was divisive, then attacking his trustworthiness and credibility would have been much easier.

The GOP has to get their act together now, and continuously plant and tend the seeds to be sown in 2016.  They also need a well thought out strategy to reposition their image.  I'd love to see a series of ads that occur periodically over all years, not just election season, showing all types of people (demographically) saying "I'm a Republican" or "I like Republicans because...(hit on freedom, generosity, etc.)

110 Back in 9-11 after the plane hit people went back to work before they left they went to turn off their computer on the 79th floor thinking they will be back before lunch. Well in this relationship the plane just left Boston and are not even in NYC airspace yet. Is someone called at 5am that there will be an attack nothing will happen.

Now it the time we have to let the attack and pain happen as that will be the only way one will know there was problems on the horizon.

111 On drudge there is a link about a Virginia jewelry store closing for a day to protest the Obama election, putting a sign in its window saying why they closed. I think it would be an excellent idea for conservatives to call upon businesses to do the same, formally or informally, on either a local or national basis, and those that do close will get patronized up the wazoo for it afterward.

112 It is true that Dems have a big advantage in GOTV.  Blacks, hispanics, union members are easy to identify and contact and bear fruit in huge percentages.

113 "The Koch brothers, Shelden Addleson and a few other billionaires need to fund a new institution dedicated to preparing candidates, training people in election theory, science and technology, training conservative journalists, preparing staff and a number of other subjects. We need to get this down to a science to compete."

To run against Santa (D)?

114 They start a relationship with a voter the day after an election; the GOP starts after the primaries.

Like I've said, you have to be part of their culture before they are comfortable switching parties. You have to go to them first.

115 This seems like an election where GOTV should be irrelevant, and that it wasn't speaks to something greater. Posted by: Dave S. at November 08, 2012 01:28 PM (UvR6d) _______________ Particularly when from what I saw--of course it was Las Vegas 2004--we didn't have great GOTC then. But--Las Vegas 2004 could have been the worse place looking back on it--to judge all of the 2004 GOTV. Maybe due to technology the Romney campaign was unfortunately able to send out the 'we don't need you" message out a little too effectively?

116 And, of course, the Zimmerman trial is yet to come, speaking of hate and division. Posted by: joncelli at November 08, 2012 01:29 PM (RD7QR) And with this election, his last chance of getting anything resembling justice is over. Hope he looks good in prison stripes

117 If the House rolls over, the Democrats will only gain more power in 2014.

118 Posted by: He's a mooslin!!!1!! at November 08, 2012 01:25 PM (NjwP5) No, he is a black muslim. /oh, and f*ck you ... revenge comes in many forms

119 Ok.. yes, they won using racially divisive tactics.. it's us vs. them.

Fine.. If that's the way they want it, then let's make it all out war. US vs THEM.

We are the ones paying for all their shit.

This MUST end now.  We have let it go on for way too long.

120

Posted by: looking closely at November 08, 2012 01:35 PM (6Q9g2)

 

Israel has a MALE Birth Control pill in Human Trials....

 

THIS will change the dynamics of Sexual Politics.... as it will give males an easy Option to control their own progeny, beyond Abstinence, condoms, or Trust.

121 preparing candidates, training people in election theory, science and technology, training conservative journalists, preparing staff and a number of other subjects. We need to get this down to a science to compete. Thank you for your vote. Just put it in this box and I'll take care of the rest.

122 Here's the bottom line, folks:

Republicans stayed home.  They didn't switch sides and vote for Obama,  They just stayed home.

That's why we lost.

Why did the Republicans stay home?  THAT is the question that must be answered.

We did not lose because we did not push immigration reform or pander to Latinos.  Latinos vote Democrat for other reasons: primarily because they offer more free stuff/safety net/pick your term for it.

We certainly had a worse GOTV effort than the Democrats.  That's part of it.  How much of the vote deficit was due to GOTV weakness?  I'll just say a fair amount, but we need to dig deeper into that question to find out.

How much of it was due to Romney as the candidate?  Rush is opining that he was chosen (at least amongst his friends) solely on the basis of "electability"; that his friends never mentioned any of his policy positions as a basis to support him.  That point I am mulling over before I I can comment on that.

We need to do a thorough post-mortem.

We need to learn from this.

And then we need to come back stronger in 2014, and stronger in 2016.

123 Clean up on #92.

124

This appeal -- appeal to one's tribe -- is powerful. It's also racist, and divisive, and promotes an Us vs. Them mentality... all those things which are terrible if a Republican even hints at it.

 

We don't have a common culture anymore, we have multiple cultures existing within a common geographical mass.  We certainly don't have a unifying language; while English may be the lingua franca, it becomes easier each passing year to exist with no knowledge of English at all. There is no common religion to speak of, and while there never has been a unifying religion there have in the past been commonalities as the overwhelming majority believed in the Judeo-Christian God. This is disappearing. It's been argued that one unifying force in America is love of freedom, but this isn't accurate as many groups have different definitions of freedom and some groups don't even believe in freedom at all. The sad reality is that we have been balkanized and with balkanization only one of two outcomes can be achieved. One, the geographic integrity of the country dissolves and multiple culturally homogeneous independent state results. Or the alternate, an extremely strong, vigorous, and oppressive centralized government develops as this is the only type of government that can maintain a culturally heterogeneous nation-state.

125

Posted by: Union Worker, DOD Contract at November 08, 2012 01:37 PM (lZBBB)

 

Sock Fail

126

I'm telling you, this is why people did not vote Republican. It was not about the economy. They truly think we are going to take the U.S. back to 1950. So STOP talking about social issues.

 

But thats exactly what Repubs did this time. They ignore social issues and focused exclusively on the economy, which meant that on cultural questions the only narrative on air was that of liberals.

127 Start making ads where you use Peggy Joseph and the Obama phone bitch and say "if you have a job enjoy paying for that phone". Have your vice president go in front of groups of Hispanics and talk about how their hard work is being used to fund welfare for big city black neigjboreboods, when they could be keeping the money or use it for their welfare, and then smile and offhandedly say "they wanna put you in chains like they were". Fuck it, you are gonna get called racist anyway, look how much that talking point hurt Biden, he still has his fucking no show job.

128 Does anyone have the number for the FBI handy? I seem to have misplaced it.

129 Let. It. Burn. === I'm with you. Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 01:24 PM (z9HTb) Me three. Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 01:35 PM (X6akg) ...let...?

130 Of course it's called NARWHAL. The only thing gayer than a whale is a whale mixed with a unicorn.

131 #87

I don't buy this "let them sleep in their now made beds" theory.

For one thing, all the rest of us will suffer too.

More important, the idiots voting for this crap will never learn.  Ruin the economy further, and you just create more dependency on the government, and even less reason to oppose entitlements, bailouts, etc.

Romney dropped the ball when he said to that young woman who wanted free birth control that "Obama is the one with free stuff".  What he should have said was that birth control can't be "free", and that demanding it is really asking someone else to pay for it.  Children want "free" stuff, adults should pay for what they want.

132

Well, people turned out in droves...in 2010.

 

What happened to that?

Did the Tea Party people stay home?

 

Were they turned off by Mitt's 'reach across the isle' stuff?

Were they pissed off by the way the Republican party didn't fully embrace them?

 

I'm still trying to figure out why 68% of registered R's didn't vote.

 

Here in OK, it was a good turnout...Romney won by 67%.

Could've been better.

But we've got a majority of D-registered voters here.

 

133 we have the hit list its called Journ-o-list start with that..

IF you a target of opportunity that is a liberal MSM take it.

134 It is true that Dems have a big advantage in GOTV. Blacks, hispanics, union members are easy to identify and contact and bear fruit in huge percentages. It's a shame that identifying yourself as part of the American tribe marks you as a trouble-maker. "Ah, an angry racist, are you?" Being American is a protest.

135 More race blaming. Don't worry, it's not your fault you lost this election. It's all those fucking women and brown people. Stop being racist and soft on rape, and maybe people would start to listen. But, if youd all rather just be racist pigfuckers, go ahead. The rest of the country can move on without your disturbingly outdated social views.

_____________________________________


Thanks for your concern, Sir.  I see that you have my best interests at heart.

136 "If the House rolls over, the Democrats will only gain more power in 2014."




Let 'em have it.  It's what the public wants.  Give them what they want, nice and hard. 



I'm tired of carry these worthless motherfuckers through their miserable lives.

137 @14 KJB

yes, been saying it for awhile.

138 We needed to remind people of the Obamacare nightmare, which has NOT truly hit most yet. People might think everything is gonna be OK cause the wheels didn't fall off yet.

139 "But for Obama and the Democrats, it's Game On. They can sow the seeds of Hate -- always a strong motivating emotion in an election -- without any embarrassment and without being called on it by anyone."

Apparently that's true. So why not do it in return? If Romney's strategy had been to spend months painting Obama as a divider, a hater, with a racist AG, who punishes success, it would have stuck.

One thing I have been hearing, and agree with, is that Conservatives mistakenly thought they could win on principle. They should go negative. Tell everyone that Democrats want to take away their guns, tax them to death, put more people on welfare, gut the military, spend us into bankruptcy.

In Iowa, two congressional conservatives won handily against very well known liberals (one an incumbent, the other a former governor's wife). One of them was in a district that included Des Moines, which went heavily for Obama. It was pretty negative on both sides, which didn't seem to hurt the republican.

140 30 states with repub governors need to make a stand. Voters understand strength. And right now only the strong will survive. Attraction thru action, not pandering promotion is going to win voters. It's a visual nation.

The problem that's always plagued the repubs (which is very evident in this morning's posts) is that we're caught in the trap of trying to please the fucking "groups" that the leftists and the MFM have created.

Why are so many people moving to TX?

It's like when the military tried to nuke the alien ship above Dallas in ID4:  the problem remains.

Any state, including Texas, is still under the control of the Feds.  Meaning there is no true escape from the TFG zombie horde.  No state is out of reach as long as the America we all know still stands.  Maybe one of those magic 57 states TFG talked about is our conservative utopia.

141 We have the governorships of 30 states. Its time to leverage that. End early voting. Require voter ID. Implement the Mexican voting system (Hey its a twofer, secure elections and hispanic outreach!)
The Tea Party was right, they're mad and they're gearing up for 2014.
They need to have a 50 state strategy. No more writing off states as "blue". Wendy Long our Senate candidate in NY had no media presence. Gillibrand was on TV all the time.
Republicans and Conservatives are missing a massive opportunity for outreach in the wake of Sandy. FEMA and the local government has totally failed. Conservative and Republican organizations should be moving in to fill the gap and proselytize.
They should run "preparedness" campaigns, to teach people about disaster safety, aid, and survival. Become the organization that "cares and tries to help".

And no more counting on the media to be impartial arbiters of the election. In no just universe should a lying scrunt like Warren be even allowed to campaign, let alone win a Senate seat. You have to make the attack yourself. You have to play dirty yourself. You are always up against 2 opponents in the election, not just the opposing candidate.

142
The big difference between the Obama and the Romney organizations is that the Romney GOTV effort was going on for four months, while Obama's was going on for four years. Obama owns the Democratic Party (and probably will hand-pick his successor), and I'm certain they're preparing for 2016 even as I type this.

Does the GOP have a national effort to identify and stay in touch with and develop its base? Do they do data mining to glean information about potential supporters and tailor messages to them? I'm sure there's something in place, but nothing like the scale and sophistication of what the Democrats are doing.

Look, I *hate* the hyperpoliticization of our culture. I loathe the perpetual campaign. But the world has changed, and we have to get with it, or face more nights like last Tuesday.

Is Reince the guy to lead such an effort? I hope so. But I have to wonder if his team has the resources and, frankly, the ruthlessness to pull it off.

143 128 Exactly, its them who mentioned social issues, so we might as well have a ready answer. An answer which doesn't have the word "rape" in it preferably. Honestly, so many catalog and online retailers do this sort of micro-targeting, it's hard to believe we aren't doing it too. If we aren't, it's an easy solution. It looks like all we had to do was turn out the base and we would've won.

144

111....How many black Republicans will you find that want to take the hateful abuse that was heaped upon people like Stacey Dash and Mia Love? They explained and explained and explained and all they got back was "aunt Thomasina", death threats and worse.

I just read the Drudge story on the Philly blacks who went for Zero 99-1. The reporter actually asked people if this was racist, and was scoffed at .

145 So, NORWHAL beats ORCA. Got it Good to know

146 To the person above suggesting ending early voting  -- how do you propose to do this? I mean a real concrete plan, when the levers of power are not in your hands? I'd say that early voting is concentrated in the blue and purple states. I'd guess that people will resist having this 'right' taken away via state constitutional amendments so it would have to go through the legislatures and governors both.
 
I agree I don't like these things, but without a practical method for getting rid of them aren't you just blowing hot air?

147 IMO, WRONG. Mitt Romney is a nice guy. That's why those voters stayed home. He wouldn't have supported the conservatives in Congress, kicked some bankster butt, told the drive by media to kiss his a##, FIRED the racists civil rights division of the Justice Dept. Called out Global Warming for what it is, a hoax; eliminated base line budgeting, eliminated any useless Dept of the Government, MADE CORPORATIONS pay some TAX; sent the NATIONAL GUARD to close down the UN and boot their a@@es out of the USA, eliminated the USA State Dept and closed all the embassies overseas (if you want something from us, come see us, no more visas), eliminated all immigration (legal or illegal for 5 years), pulled out troops out of the ME and all the other countries of the world, eliminated all Federal Unions and those in the defense industry; eliminated all Foreign aid, eliminated all bonuses, lifetime heath paid for Fed govt. workers and no pension by a federal worker higher than the USA medium, including SS; eliminated racists Affirmative Action, kicked every muslim out of the USA because it preaches to all muslims that non-muslims have to assimilate or DIE. etc etc etc. Romney is SAMEO SAMEO like McCain, Dole, all three Bushes. RINO's to the CORE. I want an AMERICAN to LEAD the COUNTRY.

148 yes, totally agree, just abandon all your convictions!!

149 @113, +1. Shut it down, boycott. Don't patronize businesses or charities that are liberal/prog. The power is in your hands. Go to the La Raza and NAACP websites and FB pages and look at their financial backers. Start there. I wouldn't buy squat from them. Go Galt.

150

 

66. I said this in the last thread: If Cory Booker does win the governorship, he'll be the 2016 Democratic nominee for president. Obama proved that you don't have to serve a full term nationally to win the presidency as long as you're AA and charasmatic. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

Second look at re-electing that fat f*ck Chris Christie?

 

151 One thing we need to do is get people to vote early like Obama did. Everyone kept saying Obama was getting his most likely voters to vote early but, guess what, they voted, a lot of our people stayed home. Long lines and screw-ups on election day didn't help us.

152 Does anyone else see the problem with focusing on an alleged failed GOTV effort when it should not have mattered? We lost to the worst president in history in the worst econ in history because the most important consideration was that *he cared*.

So in 2016 our GOTV is golden but we lose again because the other guy *cared*.

Our side comes across as uncaring. The only way to fix that without abandoning principles is to let things fail.

153

Seems some of what happened is Obama specific, few could get away with such crap. Remember, not all variables are of equal weight.

Plans for 2014 are required because we can't give up without being destroyed! We have to work harder - but we are more productive as a group than the other side. The other side is motivated by greed, envy, hate, and getting stuff without effort.

We are now getting motivated by survival. If we don't get easy voting away from the taker class we lose! The dems know this. 

154 Why are you all so negative still? This is the USA, we gan get through anything.

155

 

when some woman  stands in front of her low income housing project in flood ravaged  New York and complains she hasn't been able to charge her cellphone for three days we as a country have not suffered enough yet not make the changes we need to. 

156 KJB, amen. SoCons need to put on their big boy pants and accept the reality that the culture wars were lost years ago. Also I read an interesting article about how, despite mythology to the contrary, Latinos are just not that conservative. Exit polling was done in this election showing that 70% of Latinos favor bigger government and more services. How can you appeal to that without sacrificing bedrock Republican principles?

Latinos and women have illustrated that they are not above being pandered to, so I say give the customers what they want. Rubio/Haley 2016 baby!!! Because you can bet your ass there will be a Latino or an AA or both on the Democratic ticket in 2016.

157 >>>Do you really think the USA will be ruined by this? I don't.

Ruined is all relative depending on what you think "ruined" means. We hold now the most volatile seat of federal power, the majority of the house, something that can change wildly every 2 years.

Expectations. of Americas future.

1. Persistent unemployment between 7-9% for GOOD years.
2. Flagging industrial output.
3. Declining exports.
4. Inflation rates north of 10%
5. Interest rates (mortgage) north of 12%
6. Declining private sector rising public sector job counts.
7. Increased regulation that impacts the common citizen. Look to NY for an example.
8. Worldwide decline of the value of the Dollar.
9. As economic output drops increasing tax burdens to pay for the growing number of people on entitlements.


And all that is the "best" most optimistic scenario I can come up with that assumes nothing really shocking happens like an all out collapse of the Euro or a failed treasury bond auction or a sudden market shock followed by massive liquidation, all of which are VERY likely.

Americas best days might not be behind her, but our best days in America are. If she ever comes back, she will not be as good as she was in my lifetime while I am still alive.

158 ...let...?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 08, 2012 01:38 PM (GBXon)

I don't want the house republicans to do anything to slow the fall over the cliff.  Bring it.  Give them everything they want. 

159 When interest rates rise (as they will at some point), there is no way to service the debt. What happens then? Obamacare will likely add another trillion so that's probably another 5-6 trillion added over the next four years. My point is does any of this talk about messaging and strategy matter given what's going to happen regardless.

160

 

I can't think of any other reasons why Republicans stayed home other than they didn't believe that Romney would repeal Obamacare.

161 I know this sounds stupid but I think Bama pho, esp in Ohio, were given out so their ijits could be told where and when to vote and if they needed a ride. Laid the spade work for GOTV

162 I'm pretty down now but I remember on election night in 2004 how Bush just squeaking by Kerry with Karl Rove's microtargeting of the base in Ohio, and now seeing how that was pretty much the beginning of the end -  everything seemed to snowball negatively from there.  It was a "catastrophic victory" that planted the seed of two nights ago all the way back then.

I wonder if this sounds like inverse deja vu to anyone else?

163

Ok, I don't know if my views on this are going to help, but here it goes:

 

I live in the People's Republic of California, South Central Los Angeles to be exact...it is one big steaming pile of shit.  It is a Third World nation within a state all to itself.  The city is run by both black and Hispanic individuals who have done nothing but sown discord and hate into the populace.  These people around here are literally sheep, that's it.  They have been dumbed down to the point that they need the government and its officials to tell them how to live.  I have seen first hand the devestation that liberal policies have wrought on blacks...hell, 75% of my step-mother's family is on the government dole.  I see the multiple children being born out-of-wedlock with mulitple fathers...it's so disgusting.  I have tried talking to these people, I have tried reasoning with them.  I am telling you that even with the GOP parading a bunch of people of color in positions of authority in front of them isn't going to matter.  They voted for this shit...let them eat it! 

 

I am a conservative female, who served her nation proudly in the United States Navy, who happens to be black.  I don't want a damn dime from any taxpayer...I put my faith in God and I do for myself.  I know this is going to be painful, but these people...not just the ignorant blacks, but the Hispanics and liberal whites don't believe fat meat is greasy.  They are about to find out how greasy that fat meat is.

164 Posted by: Blitzen at November 08, 2012 01:43 PM (t1NLo) ban this piece of shit, already

165

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 08, 2012 01:37 PM (f9c2L)

 

Yup.... hmmm... thinking on it....

 

Why did Conservatives Stay Home???  New Theory...

 

Romney was CORRECT with his 47% Line.... Conservatives said 'YEAH! Someone finally gets it!"

 

And then Romney backed down, and wimped out.

166 Screw em... I'm going Galt. Burn the mother down.... they own it. ...they can enjoy it....

167 When do you think the calls to abolish term limits will start?

January 2009.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hj5/show

168 No, Mr. Franklin, we couldn't.

169 154 One thing we need to do is get people to vote early like Obama did. Everyone kept saying Obama was getting his most likely voters to vote early but, guess what, they voted, a lot of our people stayed home. Long lines and screw-ups on election day didn't help us. Posted by: Dr Spank at November 08, 2012 01:42 PM (4cRnj) ________________ I agree with this. In Las Vegas in 2004--the Dems got their voters out early--then on ElectionDay when they know it is Republicans that vote--they had union trucks snarl up traffic in Republican burbs of Summerlin--and I think Henderson.

170 So, pernicious bullshit wins, so long as it is targeted pernicious bullshit.

We really need that FTL drive.

171 When do you think the calls to abolish term limits will start? January 2009. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hj5/show Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 01:44 PM (/kI1Q) aka "Bloomburging"

172 Here in OK, it was a good turnout...Romney won by 67%.
Could've been better.
But we've got a majority of D-registered voters here.

Posted by: wheatie at November 08, 2012 01:40 PM (ICEh3)

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That's because folks here in OK have never been taught that it's ok to accept free shit and stay at home all day sitting on their asses.  People here get up and go to work every day. Because, that's what we're supposed to do.  

As best I can tell, there are only two decent places left to live in this country - Oklahoma and/or Texas.  Pretty much everywhere else sucks for one reason or another.

173 How does one go Galt exactly?

174
It still doesn't explain why so many republicans didn't turn out.   I was of the mind that the 'broken glass crawlers' would have been there.  I was totally wrong on that, but with a guy like Obenghazi in power I assumed a GOTV effort was almost superfluous.  Wow, totally wrong.

175 aka "Bloomburging" are you making these up? because I'm noticing a pattern...

176 176 How does one go Galt exactly?

Posted by: Blitzen at November 08, 2012 01:46 PM (t1NLo)

Well, first you MUST get off the internet....so, go do that.

177 Let's play the same games - hype resentments, but also go Galt on these fuckers.  When the whole thing comes crashing down, I like our odds. 

178 How does one go Galt exactly?

Stop patronizing lefty businesses.  Stop participating in your local economy, except for only the very basics to survive (food, gas).

179 I Be That Chick

Thanks for your .02 -- don't be shy.

180

 

i know there is probably a simple answer to this question,why is the electrol college winner take all? even in Calirornia there are pockets of conservatism why shouldn't their electors get to vote republican?

181 Buying gas is ok?

182 Who is old enough to remember the 70's?   I was in HS and I remember a bit of gray market stuff.   I expect that will become the new norm.   Honestly I believe it SHOULD be the new norm.   If the government is going to grab ever bigger chunks of everything you earn to pay some looter to sit on their ass watching their flat screen and do nothing else but drag their ass to the polls every 2 years, you should work out trades for everything possible rather than letting the looters grab chunks of your labor by doing things on the books.   OTOH if you suspect your lawn mower or whatever is a Dem supporter at least insist on writing a check.  Heck fill in that IRS form if you paid them $600 over the year.  Make them live what they voted for. 

183

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2012 01:42 PM (ccXZP)

 

Very simple.... the Fed Government sets the Election DATE... not Dates... and its the House of Representatives which VALIDATE the Election....

 

Threaten NOT to validate States who allow Early Voting.... as they are NOT following Federal Law on the Election DATE.

184 calironia = california

185 of course I am, but that is what Bloomberg did. Rudy wanted to and was villified as a dictator. Bloomie does it and its OK. Go figure. Bloomie should just switch to Dem, like Christie. Whatever way the wind blows, and these days, its blowing from Vichy

186 Oh, and one more thing.

What can't go on forever, won't.

Something must give in the next couple of years.  Inflation, and I mean HIGH inflation, will kick in thanks to QEInfinity (see DenBeste's blog for his take on this).  The "free stuff" cannot go on for long.

Some people may have voted more for "social" reasons than fiscal ones on Tuesday, but two to four years from now?  I don't see that.  Even if not in four years, than six, eight or ten.

Remember, the pendulum swings both ways...

187 How do you identify a lefty business? Really wondering. I see political ads once in a while in a window, but most places aren't so flagrant. Any tips?

188

The problem wasn't that Obama "cared", or with immigration, abortion, rape, taxes, regulation, gay marriage or anything else.  People who care about those things voted.

 

What we need is to identify and encourage (make) less enthusiastic people who lean to the right to vote.  Simple mechanics.

 

 

189 i know there is probablya simple answer to this question,why is the electrol college winner take all? even in Calirornia there are pockets of conservatism why shouldn't their electors get to vote republican?

___________________________________

Because states (at least used to) count.  They're sovereigns.

190 I doubt only 32% of likely R voters voted. Maybe only 32% of people *calling* themselves 'R'.

191 That's because folks here in OK have never been taught that it's ok to accept free shit and stay at home all day sitting on their asses. People here get up and go to work every day. Because, that's what we're supposed to do.

Soon, that'll change when TX and OK are overtaken by illegals and other libtards seeking better lives from their blue-state shitholes.  It's already happening here in NC.  We've got enclaves of Yankees moving down here every month, carving out their own little districts in subdivisions.  They come down here, vote for the same shit, and ruin things for the rest of us over time.

192 155 Does anyone else see the problem with focusing on an alleged failed GOTV effort when it should not have mattered? We lost to the worst president in history in the worst econ in history because the most important consideration was that *he cared*. So in 2016 our GOTV is golden but we lose again because the other guy *cared*. ----- Yeah, should not have mattered. Nothing wrong will grabbing some of the low hanging fruit, but we're not tackling the big problem when we talk about GOTV.

193 And all of the posts this morning  were written under the impression that we'll have another traditional American election in 2016.  Beware, people.  Baraka is flexible now.

194 We lost because our opponent is unbeatable. He wears a plush red suit.

195 one of the problems of everybody coming from blue states to TX to work is they all vote blue. It does not change their voting habits. That is a problem, and it will get worse

196 This appeal -- appeal to one's tribe -- is powerful. It's also racist, and divisive, and promotes an Us vs. Them mentality... all those things which are terrible if a Republican even hints at it. They haven't seen racist. Yet.

197 Americas best days might not be behind her, but our best days in America are. If she ever comes back, she will not be as good as she was in my lifetime while I am still alive.

Good post Mike.  I mean not good but good.

198 They are about to find out how greasy that fat meat is.

Ha! Great line.  I'm gonna have to remember that one.

199 197 Deer season just opened. Just sayin'.

200

 

@ but they're not anymore so it seems like its time to change the winner take all rule it makes most states irrelevent.

201 I can't really go any more Galt than I already am.  I'm kind of Galt by default.

202

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 01:52 PM (PHb2k)

 

Feel free to use it.  My grandmother use to say, "Do you believe fat meat is greasy?"  We would naturally answer "yes", and still get in trouble anyways.  LOL!

203 >>>STOP making that a platform

Um no.
You cannot have a simultaneously free and amoral society. While I think our stance on marriage should be "It ain't any of the governments F*king business and government at all levels shouldn't license, regulate, incentivise, sanction, officially recognize, or otherwise interfere with human relationships between consenting adults" However, while the plank on abortion needs tweaking, it is absolutely essential. Similarly the plank on religious freedoms regarding contraception is also critical.

204 Soon, that'll change when TX and OK are overtaken by illegals and other libtards seeking better lives from their blue-state shitholes. It's already happening here in NC. We've got enclaves of Yankees moving down here every month, carving out their own little districts in subdivisions. They come down here, vote for the same shit, and ruin things for the rest of us over time.

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That's why I say that it's time to  make some cold, hard decisions about people.  Events have gone beyond niceness now.

205 "What we need is to identify and encourage (make) less enthusiastic people who lean to the right to vote. Simple mechanics"

So you think this will be a winning formula in an increasingly Santa-centric culture which has now tipped? Tell me more...

206 Does anyone know if the GOP has thoroughly reviewed the voting data to be absolutely sure there was not systematic fraud?  Is there a website where voting counts for each voting site is shown, and has someone has verified that the counts match up with the number of people who checked in to vote at each location?

This seems like an obvious step so I hope the integrity of the data has been confirmed, but I'm just having trouble squaring the low turnout against everything else we know (people dying to vote for 4 years, Obamacare backlash, 2010 backlash, huge crowds for Romney, high voter enthusiasm in polls, etc.).  From what I understand fewer people voted Romney than McCain, and this doesn't make sense to me.  There were so many different types of usurpations over the past 4 years, and so many people were motivated to vote, that turnout for Romney (or against Obama) should have been huge.  And, I don't trust Obama or the Dems not to have been insideous and tenacious in assuring O's re-election.  The fact that his turnout was 10 million less than 2008 means we should have had this in the bag.

If the numbers have been vetted and widely accepted, I'll shut up about this...

207 We are done. If this country will reward that kind of failure with another term than there is not a damn thing we can do about it. This country has changed and it is hell bent on socialism. I am a conservative and I wish it were not so but we are simply outnumbered and it is not going to change. Romney was a good candidate and a good communicator, this country did not like the message. There is no confusion. Class warfare and free stuff will swamp us every time. Frankly I think our only option is to let the Dems have all of there socialist fantasy legislation Cap and Trade %75 tax rates, legalized drugs, open borders, unlimited welfare / unemployment, complete gun control, mandatory union participation and full Socialized Medicine, slash the defense budget, allow us citizens to be taxed by the UN, prohibition of all energy production or any thing else that involves carbon dioxide. Do not obstruct anything these maniacal leftists want to do. Since we control the House we can merely vote present and let it go. That is what the country craves, they voted for it let them have it. I am tired of trying to explain the obvious to the stupid. We will not win any arguments with these people. They need to experience the results of their actions.

208 143 TC,

Texas was a Republic before it was a state.

209 196 All the replies were written under the impression that America in 2016 will look like America 2012. Think financial implosion. "That which can't continue, (FSA), won't."

210 Althouse highlighted some of the e-mails she was receiving from the O campaign. It seems like she felt they were kinda creepy in their informality and tone. Must have worked with a lot of voters though.

211 You folks are starting to sound a little unstable. Like some of you want to take things "into your own hands". What, like go shoot some people or something? That'll fix the deficit for sure. I love conservatives. All problems boil down to something that can be shot. Good luck with that yo.

212 Why do I get the feeling that the "data" they were crunching to profile voters came from Facebook. If you want to ID weakly sympathetic youth voters, that would the place to get insight on them.

213 Yeah, tone down the violent rhetoric.

214

Something must give in the next couple of years. Inflation, and I mean HIGH inflation, will kick in thanks to QEInfinity (see DenBeste's blog for his take on this). The "free stuff" cannot go on for long.

 

When that happens it will not be the fault of the government, it will be the fault of the farmers, it will be the fault of the businesses, it will be the fault of the oil companies, etc. The lack of jobs won't be the fault of crappy policies, it will be greedy businesses. For example, one of the radio stations here in the area plays ads in which they "recognize" local businesses for creating new jobs, and one of the taglines in the promo is how businesses creating jobs is the way out of the economic crisis. The promo is generally innocent enough but it leaves the listener with a faulty impression that the economy can be fixed if only businesses would hire more people.

 

I envision wage and price controls making a comeback in the not too distant future.

215 Morons and Moronettes... Texas is the key to secession. Just have the State Defense Force grab Pantex, and Texas is an instant superpower. After that, we probably grab the entire Midwest. We "graciously allow" progressives to leave. (That's a polite way of saying "If you're still here after midnight, you're fair game for anyone that's taken a dislike to you, and we won't give a ****."

216 Texas was a Republic before it was a state. Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 01:55 PM (LRFds) so was California. Though they won't leave no matter how nicely we ask them.

217 214 He's a mooslin,

Your black boyfriend follows Bill Ayers.

Bill Ayers' called killing 25 million capitalists "a good start."

You want to mainstream extremists who hang with domestic terrorists I'm your cowboy.

218 I hate to say it, but perhaps the answer is less freedom: bring back the draft. I know there are libs in the military, but most of the problem is cultural. Fix the culture, fix the country.  Would help young women too to have young men with pride in themselves etc. I normally don't think of the draft, as the left suggests it just to stop wars, but it makes men.

219

Americas best days might not be behind her, but our best days in America
are. If she ever comes back, she will not be as good as she was in my
lifetime while I am still alive.

 

 

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And that's sad.  Most  of you younger people will never know what  freedom really is  unless you start making some hard decisions about your own life and the people who want to enslave you.  Trying to please them ain't going to cut it.  They're leftists.  They prefer you were dead.

220 "I envision wage and price controls making a comeback in the not too distant future." Followed by shortages, black marketeering, and lots of official corruption.

221 But we had ORCA!  /s

Yeah, I call BS on the NARWHAL thing, too.  Who has time to read political spam?  Not only did the Dems drop 10 million voters, they also lost two 2008 states (NC and IN).  The McCain states stayed Red.

Step One for Republicans is to close the primary elections to registered Republicans.

Step Two is to eliminate the Romney Rule that gives too much power to the RNC bigs at the expense of the State Committees.

222 Obama's closing message in Ohio. Written in bold in his advertisements was simple. Mitt Romney: He's Not One of Us

223 219 we are so screwed,

Yeah they will.

I just became the world's biggest amnesty supporter.

I favor amnesty and popular votes in the Mexican border states on sovereignty preference.

224 @ Blitzen Aoshq is your one-stop shop for all things borderline violent rhetoric. "that darkies gonna take mah GUN, I gotta kill someone!"

225 154 One thing we need to do is get people to vote early like Obama did. Everyone kept saying Obama was getting his most likely voters to vote early but, guess what, they voted, a lot of our people stayed home. Long lines and screw-ups on election day didn't help us.

We did surprisingly well when it came to early voting. The problem was Election Day. If more Republicans had done their civic duty, we would be celebrating right now.

226 186 Romeo13,
 
There's a little problem with your approach, and it's the US Constitution:
 
Section 4. Clause 1. The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature ...

227 221 Baldy,

the military as rendered will just turn out more democrats

the teachers stole this country

228

To believe the Santa-centric culture meme, you have to believe that Hispanics and Asians think that blacks are a model for them.

 

There are great ways to show Hispanics and Asians how they are more in line with conservatives, but the methods haven't been used.  To do so would be called racist because it necessarily highlights how democrats have "helped" blacks into the situation they are in.

 

Democrats never win elections on substance.  They hold shiny objects in front of stupid people and distract them.  We need to do the same thing.

229 "I hate to say it, but perhaps the answer is less freedom: bring back the draft." No, that will merely spread the rot into the military. We need to start considering how to survive a collapse of American civilization. A functioning military (even a small one) is going to be an important source of know-how for living under austere conditions (i.e., no more Internet--or electricity, for that matter).

230 218 IOW, "Don't let the sun set on your ass here" (Shamelessly stolen from a sign in Vidor, Texas)

231 >>>I love conservatives. All problems boil down to something that can be shot. Good luck with that yo.

That's how commies solve dissent problems, not Lockean's.
Eventually your side will use violence to try and quash us. It is inevitable, it *always* has to happen in collectivist structured societies and everyone on your side in leadership knows it. That's why they've been trying to disarm us for decades now.

That's how commies have solved problems since Marx: Shoot the bastard who disagrees with you. So don't take to lecturing us on the use of force, if we had 1/4 the willingness to use violence your side has your lot would have been strung up in my Grandpa's lifetime.

232 My point is, let the democrats have their gay marriage and abortion--whatever else they need to do to get those issues solidified in stone. Let them go about getting these things through the legislature without incident before 2016. Then we can ignore them. We can talk about how we are in agreement with the changing social issues in America and see how nicely we went along with it all in the last 4 years? We have seen the light! Then, there will be only the economic issues to separate us. And it will be starkly obvious which is the better choice. Choose minorities as your pres/vp...multiple minorities even better...and go forth from there. Have these candidates surround themselves with other minority people who are their spokespeople for the news programs, etc. Not one whiff of white man in the bunch. Pander, pander, pander.

233

 "I envision wage and price controls making a comeback in the not too distant future."

Followed by shortages, black marketeering, and lots of official corruption.

 

Of course, because these people never learn. They don't look at history in a cause-and-effect manner, they look at it through the lens of class struggle and social justice.

234 If they're collecting this kind of data on their supporters, imagine what they could do, or are doing, to their opponents... Simple fact is they own the popular culture. There is a synergy between K-12, academia, Hollywood and Television. Think of all the life hours Americans spend in the classroom or in front of the television having their mentalities shaped and their assumptions groomed. Conservatives need to take control of their own brand because as it stands, being liberal or voting for liberals simply means to many people that they are cool, hip, and open-minded. Who doesn't want to be all those things? Politics is just an accessory choice for most people. The only way for conservatives to break through this lifetime of programming is to study counter-programming methods and then reach out to groups directly with a tailor made message that communicates conservative values to them unfiltered. Unfortunately, too many traditional country club republicans do not feel comfortable talking to ethnic minorities and the young, even if they think of themselves as open-minded people. In addition, many do not come from critical theory backgrounds and are not familiar with the concept of language as power. This gives progressives an advantage in rhetoric and the grooming of assumptions.

235 But, I was told that the Republicans had a great ground game in place and the bestest GOTV plans ever. It seems here are several million voters that didn't get that memo. It will be hard for me to put time and money into future camaigns if the repubs couldn't even match the McCain vote. There is something more fundamentally wrong with the party apparatus than just their GOTV efforts. I don't know what it is but it scares me.

236  i can't believe republicans didn't get out and vote,i live in the bluest  of blue states where my vote for president doesn't matter one bit and i got out and voted

237 #153

Cory Booker is a Dem, yes, and a NJ one to boot, but he's actually relatively moderate, and he'd be a 50x greater than President than Obama.

I'd trade him for what we've got now in a fraction of a heartbeat.

238 235 Ooooh scary bro

239 234 Exactly.

240 Hey I'm thrilled FEMA is letting new Yorkers freeze to death and Sir Golfsalot has decided to return to South East Asia for shits and giggles.

241 @217:  Part of that process is that companies must CLEARLY identify the cause of their layoffs/bankruptcies:  the high inflation caused by horrible government policies.  Just because bad stuff is going to happen, that is no reason to just cede the narrative.

Government can't just make up wealth to redistribute.  But it can destroy it.  Wage and price controls are useless against the almighty power of the invisible hand.

242 Ooooh scary bro

What have you to say about Ayers?

Care to comment?

243

Part of that process is that companies must CLEARLY identify the cause of their layoffs/bankruptcies: the high inflation caused by horrible government policies. Just because bad stuff is going to happen, that is no reason to just cede the narrative.

 

Government can't just make up wealth to redistribute. But it can destroy it. Wage and price controls are useless against the almighty power of the invisible hand.

 

Yes, but my original point was partly inspired by I Be That Chick's post about life in LA. People have had it pounded into their head for decades that everything is someone else's fault, or to clarify, the fault of some entity other than the Democratic party. It's not about ceding the narrative, it's about the equivalent of talking to a brick wall. And obviously wage and price controls are futile, but I believe they will be brought back because for the Democrats they will serve a useful political tool.

244 What have you to say about Ayers?

Care to comment?

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Let's just add to the list the people that are admired and worshipped by most of Baraka's junta:  Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Son Ill, Castro and Che, and I'm sure there's others.

245 One of the problems with the Sandy survivors is that they haven't linked their continued suffering with their elected officials.
Republicans should be doing that.
Then they should teach them to be self reliant.

246 For concerned above, it still remains to be seen what the final vote numbers are.

There are many overseas, provisional, and write-in ballots yet to be counted.

The results are unlikely to change, but when its all said and done, the total vote numbers are probably going to be much closer to 2008 than they are now.

247 240 i'm with you. Republicans got out and voted. Whatever meaningful fraud took place, it consisted in undercounting/underreporting actual Republican votes. there is no way McCain got more votes than Romney

248 235  Ooooh scary bro

I'm not trying to be scary. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Your side will use violence the same minute they think they can win by using violence.

Our side will avoid using violence unless the only conceivable way we can protect our lives, property, and freedom is through the use of violence.

And QED to that point has been the fact that we (my side) has always had the necessary force to get our way yet, our tolerance of an openly totalitarian faction (yours) for decades. Using only political means to slow your agenda, ultimately submitting peacefully to political losses, and marginal losses of freedom.

So don't talk to us about violence. It is shear projection. At this very moment your side wishes they could just *end* this right now while we are back on our heals. But they can't because they lack sufficient force.

249 Republicans just need to run on a platform of secession. http://www.secession.net/ Let the libs keep the Northeast and the West Coast........ They can generate electricity with solar panels and windmills. They don't have to drill for oil & gas. They don't have to farm or log. They can keep borrowing money. Just imagine. All the minorities will run to these liberal havens......

250 Spot on again KJB, pander, pander, and pander. Everyone of us on this thread are politically astute enough that, if faced with an electoral choice between a conservative black man and a liberal white man, we would vote for the black man every time. We vote for people who think like us, not people who look like us. We think in ideological terms but I don't believe most Hispanics do. I've already stated, per exit polling data, that Hispanics favor bigger government but given an attractive choice that appeals to their sense of tribalism we could increase our share of their vote to 60% or more.

251 I gave $300 to hurricane relief efforts Monday. Was very sorry I did so by Tuesday 11pm

252 The left have been slaughtering peasants for over 200 years and they don't own that, what makes you think they'll own this? We will not survive the level of devastation that would get through the tribal and MFM filters. We have to find other ways through.

253

One thing that we can learn from democrats...

 

We are a tiny group of political elites and thinkers.  We understand the issues and the nuances of policies.  As conservatives, we would like to believe that there are great numbers of people who think and act as we do.  There are not.

 

Democrats have known for ages that the vast majority of people are unthinking, "useful idiots".  They don't bother crafting solutions to problems.  They spend their time and effort figuring what will help them gain and retain power. 

 

There are methods and issues that mobilize the less-than-brilliant.  All we need to do is get with the program.

254

Google "Social Monitoring Tools."  There are, literally, dozens of them out there - they all do what "NARWHAL" claims to do - in the hands of capable operators.

Radian6 has been around for awhile.  Karl Rove and his ilk know as much about Radian6 as they do about differential equations. 

Obama's team knew what statements had traction and which ones didn't, far faster than the Gouty Old Party.  They knew what to roll back, and they knew what statements to amplify.  This is what these tools do.  These tools are readily available - they're just not understood by a team that still believes a tune-up involves replacing your points and condensor...

Notice that "truth" has nothing to do with this.  The Benghazi lies worked, and Obama knew they worked, so he and Joe kept telling them. This analysis was done for every lie, every statement, every advertisement, etc.  Obama's team had a MUCH better read on what worked than Dudley Dooright's ever did. 

While Karl Rove was f'ing around with a mini-whiteboard, like a lunatic, Obama's team were running social monitoring software on 128 Core LINUX systems, and steering the campaign in near-real-time.

And that's how they won, and Goody Two Shoes got his ass kicked.  Again.

255 re: 'I wonder if that somehow depresses Republican turnout?'

It shrinks the voter pool ("all possible Republicans") from all three ends, the squish end, the right-libertarian end, and the hated "Evangelical" end (but less so from that end than the others). Goes kinda like this:

The media isn't "liberal." It's partisan. So there's a 24/7 media-wide assault on a certain caricature of Republicans, not so much of "conservatives" or "conservatism," though sometimes they use those words to signal "Republican." It's the same caricature deployed by Obama's hatey campaign—"the KKK took my pussy away"—because the media-in-general *is* a Democratic campaign, a hatey one, a campaign for rule-by-people-like-Obama.

So of course a few people (I mean tens of millions) who aren't particularly politically interested but would otherwise vote Republican for various small (small compared to "As Burke said regarding Locke's contention that...") reasons, they give up, internally, and be the kind person TV tells them to. A good person! So, not a Republican, ever, at all. And that's millions of votes never voted.

And...I understand. I mean, being excluded by everything and everyone that's *exemplary* in your culture isn't very fun, and most people can't handle it. So they don't. And a lot of squishes, most of the I-decided-who-to-vote-for-while-I-was-in-the-booth flakes, and most women (TV's audience) are lost. And it takes out a lot of people who would otherwise *arrive* at thinking Republicans are less shitty than Democrats, if they thought about it, and they would, but they don't, because they can feel how it makes the TV mad at them.

That depression accomplished, to further help out the Democrats, *actual alleged Republicans* (Coulter, lately, especially) get on TV (or AOSHQ) and say how much they hate anyone who might in any way *match* the DemTV caricature of Republicans. So the people the caricature *partly* matches—and people who think the caricature is *unjustly applied to them* (or to others)—are "depressed" too. They're mostly basically anti-political people anyway, so it's not too hard to get them to fuck off. And the Party *makes sure*—in their role as the assistant Democratic campaign—that those people do fuck off.

So you're left with is...not so many Republican voters. And only a pretty narrow band of people who are willing—as candidates, party people, campaign leeches—to identify as Republicans. And they tend to be intensely weird and dorky assholes who have nothing in common with the "all possible Republicans" pool. And they give off a very, very hatey vibe toward the ones who aren't precisely like them, who aren't..."educated" Christian careerists? I don't know a good term. It's people who come off like if Patrick Bateman was a Jehovah's Witness. You know, like Romney.

The GOP has been so successfully branded as repulsive, so well-hated, so effectively, that it's *become* repulsive. But in a different way. So yeah, it works. It worked.

256 251 "Whatever meaningful fraud took place, it consisted in undercounting/underreporting actual Republican votes. there is no way McCain got more votes than Romney"

No goddamned "meaningful fraud" took place. You're talking about fraud on the order of 4 or 5 million votes. That amount of fraud would necessarily involve thousands of people. At least one of those thousands of people would eventually blow the whistle. You're bordering on 9/11 truther shit here. The fact is we got our clock cleaned by Obama's GOTV. No more, no less.

257 Remember when we accused the Democrats of being unpatriotic and they said, basically, "well, I don't support this America".  That is how I feel right now.  I don't support this America and I think at this point that it's too far gone.  After Obamacare was upheld, it is no longer the America that I knew and understood, and loved.  Sadly, I think we need to watch this one crash and start over.

Bonus - there will be no Democrats after the crash.   

258 >>>Democrats have known for ages that the vast majority of people are unthinking, "useful idiots". They don't bother crafting solutions to problems. They spend their time and effort figuring what will help them gain and retain power.

>>>There are methods and issues that mobilize the less-than-brilliant. All we need to do is get with the program.

If this is what it has come down to our experiment with self governance is complete and the results are a failure. And we should be examining why the United States failed and try and do it better next time. For their is no path to freedom if what you say is true, for the ignorant will always be tempted by bribes and handouts, and will choose them every time if you can give them the plausible dependability that they are being virtuous by voting for bribes and handouts.

Get that, to the ignorant, no matter how well we argue the opposite, as long as 1 plausible argument exists that stipulates voting themselves more free stuff is in fact virtuous, they will keep doing it. The only way to get someone to stop is to make them not ignorant.

259 The GOP needs a fulltime GOTV operation in place. One that is based in each state so that it can be used for elections down to dogcatcher in each little podunk town. We can't have each campaign decide to create a new effort every 4 years. Next year is the Governor's race in Virginia. The GOP GOTV effort could be ginned up for that, then kept active for 2014 when the US Senate seat is up for grabs. Then in 2015 when the House of Delegates and State Senate have their elections. Then in 2016, it will already be up and running on all cylinders for the Presidential election. Hell, this GOTV machine could even help in the local city council/mayoral elections which take place in May.

With each state having a GOTV operation, they can even help the others during an election like this one. Alabama may not need the GOTV push as much as Florida, so the Alabama GOTV can be "loaned" to Florida for some of the election.

The GOP needs to start doing things for the nominees instead of relying on the candidates' volunteers.

260 40 I think the problem is that they gloves needed to come off. I don't think that's the solution, or it's only part of the solution. The GOP needs to develop targeted appeals to every niche that can or does make up its base. They need to focus group the appeals so they'll really work and motivate people -- so that they'll push the target's buttons and make them want to get out and vote. They need to figure out a way to deliver this message to the target groups (eg, through datamining, and the kind of psychologically sophisticated email campaign employed by NARWHAL on a shy lib in a conservative area). Finally, we need to figure out what's wrong in our GOTV methods and make them competitive with the Dem machine. -- As for "taking off the gloves," we have to realize that the MSM will push back on glove-free appeals from the GOP in a way they simply don't with Dems. So part of the whole focus-group development of appeals needs to deal with building appeals that are robust enough to resist the inevitable Dem/MSM pushback. And even to develop appeals/narratives that grow stronger when the other side tries to push back on them (as I think was the case with Dem appeals on abortion and birth control in this cycle). The GOP does not need a complete overhaul and rebuild. We're losing on the margins. If we up our game, we can win on those same margins.

261 If this is what it has come down to our experiment with self governance is complete and the results are a failure.

The people failed.

262 111....How many black Republicans will you find that want to take the hateful abuse that was heaped upon people like Stacey Dash and Mia Love?
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This is why the GOP MUST combat the left's racial divisiveness.  And I think they do this by calling it out.  For example, if the Professor Gates/Officer Crowley incident early in O's term happened now, everyone supporting the right with a microphone could say along the lines of:

"Before knowing all the facts, President Obama took the side of his friend Professor Gates over decorated police officer Crowley.  This interferes with the ability to obtain the facts and administer justice impartially, which are core foundations of our society and our laws. 

In addition, President Obama undermined our law enforcement which creates distrust in our society and fails to support the principle that everyone is innocent until proven innocent.  It is especially egregious when the president fails not only to support this principle, but instead tears at its fabric.  Using his position of power to help a friend at the expense of truth and justice is unbecoming and unfair. He likes to say everyone should get a fair shot and a fair chance, but he did the opposite here by trying to tilt the scales for his friend.

Furthermore, Professor Gates is black and Officer Crowley is white.  Taking the side of one race in an incident like this is divisive.  It stirs up racial resentments which is irresponsible and outrageous coming from the president of all Americans.  President Obama said he would bring Americans of all races together but he did not use this incident as an opportunity to do that.  He created more divisiveness, not more unity."

In other words...call out the favoritism, the foundations American beliefs and society that Obama stomped on, the racial division he sows, etc.  Say it clearly, sticking to facts. Don't question motives.

Not only will calling Obama out inform people who wouldn't notice on their own how abusive his behavior is, it teaches them to think about such things.  The next time Obama says or does something, people will be more likely to notice.  Call him out consistently and people will start to see on their own how dishonest he is.

As it stands now, the GOP is afraid to spell out what Obama and the left do.  That has to stop.  Most Americans of all stripes are honest, decent people.  They are busy and don't think deeply about some incidents as much as we do.  We have to help inform them in a way that is factual.

263 "263 The GOP needs a fulltime GOTV operation in place." Great post. Why the hell is the GOP not doing this? Money, I suppose. To that end I would say -- develop fulltime GOTV in selected swing states, not all 50, as a cost-saving measure.

264 This appeal -- appeal to one's tribe -- is powerful. It's also racist, and divisive, and promotes an Us vs. Them mentality... all those things which are terrible if a Republican even hints at it. Let us all just pray for the day when white will embrace what is right. Didn't I tell you crackers to embrace what is right at the last inauguration? How much more direct did I have to be? Well, the fact is that I just don't like you. You invent too much stuff and act all smart. Show offs.

265 Tribalism is our past, present, and future. Republicans need to learn how to deal with that and stop being pussies.

266

Negroes

Asians

Radical

Whites

And

Latinos

267 263 and 267 I'm fully sold on this. Great idea! As for the prohibitive cost, as was mentioned we could just target a few states and maybe divert a few of those millions spent by outside groups that didn't make a damn bit of difference and use that.

I find it amusing that with the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on this campaign on both sides, it was the age old, time tested method of making calls and knocking on doors, GOTV, that won it for Obama.

268 260 Your faith in the system is touching. But after observing early voting in Ohio and watching half the population of Somalia show up to vote, on electronic machines, I have very little doubt that the Democrat "GOTV" effort didn't involve some "untruths". if that makes me a truther, so be it and fuck you. in the meantime this graphic seems to, at least in part, belie claims that there was reduced republican turnout http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/07/us/politics/obamas-diverse-base-of-support.html

269 44
Let. It. Burn.

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I'm with you.


Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 01:24 PM (z9HTb)


Me three.

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Me fourth - and throw gas on Sequestration and push forward the Bush Tax Cuts expiration to Black Friday.   Not kidding!

PS: Thanks for letting me vent out here Ace and crew - tip coming your way!

270 and how about this? until Republicans stop having hissy fits about discussing the possibility of voter fraud, because the very mention of it offends their vitgin ears, Republicans will continue to be a laughing stock. The Democrats will lie six ways to Sunday to win an election and they hate you. They use your ridiculous sense of honor and rectitude against you, and laugh at you the entire time. GOTV my ass

271 272 Where did I say I had faith in the system? I have faith in human nature. 3 people can keep a secret, but only if 2 of them are dead. You keep dreaming that thousands of people were involved in massive fraud without a single one of them dropping dime if you want to. You're delusional, nothing I can do about that. You lost a tough election, so you want to blame some shadowy, maleficent force that you have no control over. That's human nature too.

272 "No "meaningful fraud" took place. You're talking about fraud on the order of 4 or 5 million votes. That amount of fraud would necessarily involve thousands of people."
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Because there's only one way to commit fraud, and it must include thousands?  Because the lie is just too big and nobody would believe it?

If the left cheated, they would have put a lot of effort into covering their tracks.  Computer systems can be manipulated or hacked, and I'm sure there are other ways if you creatively.

No one should fear an investigation of the data. It doesn't hurt anything. If it shows everything is legit, great, we can be sure and move on.  The stakes were very, very high, and to assume rather than verify everything is aboveboard makes no sense to me.  And if fraud was widespread, then that makes a big difference in how the GOP diagnoses and fixes its problems.

273 Maybe you should ask yourself why it's depressing when more Americans vote.

274
Great post.

Why the hell is the GOP not doing this? Money, I suppose.

To that end I would say -- develop fulltime GOTV in selected swing states, not all 50, as a cost-saving measure.

Posted by: shoeless hunter at November 08, 2012 02:34 PM (9196u)

No, all 50 states. We need a deep bench. Here in Virginia, we had George Allen because nobody had any idea who the others running were. So if they had won, it would have been former Governor Tim Kaine vs. Republican Ham Sandwich. RHS has never held office, never been in front of crowds, and never had to go through the "gotcha" press. That is why you need experienced campaigners if you are a GOP candidate. We need to elect city council members. We need to elect School Board members. We need to have candidates for every single office, no matter how trivial the office is. If we think an elective office is trivial, screw it, have a candidate for it anyway. Destroy that office from the inside so that it can be abolished. Politicians in the state capitols will go along with an officeholder that says a particular office should be abolished.

We need to quit looking at a 4 year election cycle, we need to remember that there are elections every year, and in some places, twice a year. My city went overwhelmingly for Obama, and Dems control every elected office since all council members are at-large. This past spring, the Republican running for Mayor came within 2 percentage points of winning. The only elected GOP official is the Sheriff. An AA woman. That is it. If our mayoral candidate had a GOTV effort behind him, he would have won. Then, we now have a potential candidate for congress. That is how we build it up. That is why the GOTV has to be permanent, and universal.

275 Republicans should drop the "Dead Democrats Who Voted Twice" meme and stick with ONE major victory that no one could label as "racist voter suppression" -- federal legislation mandating that all federal votes be cast on paper. The fill-in-the-bubble scanned sheet is the best technology. It is far less prone to glitches than touch screens, leaves no room for "interpretation, and can still be tallied by the millions by computers in a few seconds. It also leaves a paper trail that can be audited. Tallies can be spot-checked in a few hours. If Democrat voter fraud exists (and I assume it does based on nothing more than the Democrat opposition to voting verification systems), start with paper ballots, then audit them. Build evidence before screaming about the ID problem, which can be addressed later. The Left uses this focused, incremental approach with great success.

276

Let it burn.

 

Let a block of Red States start making noises in unison about a divorce.  That might focus some minds.

277 231 Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 02:02 PM (LRFds) - Maybe you're right. If so, it is a a shame. I guess the answer is local "grassroots" (word I despise since I think of lefties) work.

278 I dont talk about Republicans in general. Willard was sold because of his managing skills, hisreputation forleading organizations with competence, his private sector experience and now Im told that the guy had no idea how to reach his friggin customers?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2012 01:25 PM (8EBWh)

THIS!

279 240 i can't believe republicans didn't get out and vote,i live in the bluest of blue states where my vote for president doesn't matter one bit and i got out and voted

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 02:05 PM (AW9md)

Me too. Got out and voted. Even with everything going around here. Furthermore my local GOP State Senator campaigned hard. I received literature drop a few days after the hurricane. I had at least 10 phone calls from him. Include 2 on election day. It paid off.  He won by 7 points.

280 Look, it doesn't matter. Why should we have to fucking BEG AND PLEAD for people to go to the polls? If they don't give enough of a shit to show up no amount of technology is going to matter. They're apathetic and useless. This is just arm chair bullshit/inside baseball. We shouldn't need some slick software program to get people out to vote against a failed, far-left president. The fact we are even talking like that means it's over.

281

Mike the Moose - you are one of the few who are getting it.

 

"Useful Idiots" is precisely how the demoncrats one.  Using what is still less-known, but readily available, tools they were able to identify what lies worked, and what lies didn't.

 

Truth didn't matter - their goal was to get "sub-sub-sub demographic X" off of their ass and into the voting both - to vote for or against whatever stimulus got the job done.

 

I saved Detroit!

 

Mitt Romney hates women - hoard your tampons!

 

I will get to the bottom of this!

 

Voting is sweet revenge!

 

No rhyme.  No reason.  No cohesive strategy.  No honor.  No honesty.

 

Just a shotgun blast of shit, micro-aimed and micro-tuned for maximum effectiveness. 

 

Result: The bad guys won.  Tell yourself that "fighting fair" was worth it.  As I say above, I think we could have turned the ship around - even partially - if we had one.  That whole "Santa Claus" bullshit isn't true - but it will be four years from now.

 

Nice comment, Moose.  Spot on.

282

"won," not "one."  Glad to see Apple "helping my spelling" when I miss the "w."

283

Sorry, but the example of how impressive NARWHAL is doesn't impress me.  "Years earlier she had registered at Obama's website".  Sounds like an Obama supporter to me.  Then she gets a war on women email with the lure of free contracepives.  And we're all supposed to think this is sophisticated because a) they didn't know her gender and b) she was in a zip that was supposed to be traditionally socially conservative.  c) sending a war on women/free rubbers email to this zip code without knowing who it was going to was "risky" because it might turn off a social conservative?  Huh?

Would a socially conservative person, man or woman, have registered to get emails from Obama's website "years earlier" and stayed on it for "years".  I don't think so. This was a hardcore, long-time member of the Obama Fan Club getting standard Obama war on women rubbish, not some sophisticated targeting.  Take away the "registered years earlier" part, and yes, that would be good.  Otherwise, Fan Club Member gets emails.

284 That's what I'm saying, Mr. Crainiac, have a presence there full time starting now. Have people there who can tutor kids, help them learn about the stock market, have retired business people help folks start businesses....show them success. They might like it and then have some skin in the game.

285

Let's just face it, the cult of the O defeated anything that thrown at it...facts - Ha! That's just background noise that the worship zOmbies did not listen....

I saw this in 2009 and last Tuesday with all of the sicking cries of joy from the kool aid drinkers.

286 “Our opponents have been waging a war on women’s health—attempting to defund Planned Parenthood, overturn Roe v. Wade, and everything in between.”

The person that fell for this bullshit should be flayed. No one in their right mind should EVER take a campaign's word for anything, especially one that has been shown to be dishonest. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions.

287 "All problems boil down to something that can be shot."

That's the mindset in Oakland, California, and that place is most assuredly NOT conservative...

288

"Oh, and the world, full of those seeking a weaker America, may become a more dangerous place. You may see those hostile to our values testing their luck."

And that's just the Preezy's administration.  Internationally, things are worse.

289 This is what I'm talking about. We need to find stupid voters we can scare into voting for us (or against the other guy) next time around. Why do conservatives turn their noses up at such tactics when it obviously works?

290 This guy is sounding less and less like the stumbling failure everybody kept saying he was. So far, He's convinced 59+ million Americans to sign up for communism without firing a shot. I'd say that sounds pretty non-failure to me. Let me introduce you to the next iconic Marxist leader. Sorry Che, your 15 minutes are up.

291 Targeting individual voters with messages specific to their concerns. Sounds brilliant to me.

This is the type of thing that Lee Atwater would have done. He's sorely missed.

292 One thing that strikes me is that Obama is, has been, and will continue to make more or less naked racial/gender appeals to his voters. The sort of appeals that Republicans are not allowed to make.
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Boo hoo. Conservatives have to make those appeals whether they are allowed to or not. The alternative is to lose.

When making those appeals gets called racism, as it will be, you have to call out the attackers as anti-White, and not get into the routine of pleading not guilty, then just pleading, then losing.

You cannot win while curled up in a fetal position, not doing the things that your opponent does because those are the winning things to do.

In any case, it's not just that Republicans aren't allowed to appeal to their potential supporters in effective ways, it's more that they choose not to, because of the Goldberg Line: the Republican theory, as expressed by Jonah Goldberg, that liberals are for particular groups of people, but conservatives by definition are not. That is a loser.

293 "This appeal -- appeal to one's tribe -- is powerful. It's also racist, and divisive, and promotes an Us vs. Them mentality... all those things which are terrible if a Republican even hints at it."
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Conservatives have to shake off the taboos against explicitly helping and appealing to their supporters, 90% of whom are white.

First, that's necessary to get out the vote.

Second, it's necessary to govern in a way that increases the White vote as a share of the electorate over time. If the left increases its constituents as a share of the electorate and the right does not, the right loses.

294 "But for Obama and the Democrats, it's Game On. They can sow the seeds of Hate -- always a strong motivating emotion in an election -- without any embarrassment and without being called on it by anyone."
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Correct.

So the alternatives are to take them on using the most effective means, or to lose not only temporarily and in electoral terms but in the long run, in policy and demographically, to a coalition of anti-White haters, with all that implies.

The second option is not acceptable. Which is why I'm not having any of the despair BS. I want electoral and policy victory, and survival for my race, however great the odds, however hard and long the road.

295 And this would be why when Obama was running around to universities like Univ. of Wisconsin, he got the schools to force students to cough  up names, emails, & phone #'s just to attend and hear him speak.  All that information they hoovered up in 2008-2012 is going to sit there like a big gold mine that they can keep consulting.  Deeply creepy but quite effective.

296 NARWHAL? ORCA? What's with these cetacean acronyms? Are they doing it on porpoise?

297 *Early voting sucks* Ah yes, the truth comes out. When you have to ask your boss, pretty please, may I have the day off to vote, Republicans win.