January 24, 2012

Dick Armey: We're Gonna Have A Brokered Convention
— Ace

Alternately, he says, we could have a late entrant, but we have a party of small-testicled men.

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1 metro-sexuals, for the win!

Posted by: Vergeltung at January 24, 2012 05:33 AM (jttPx)

2 Hey folks, I'm just learning about HTML, can someone tell me how to put it in a tag? Kinda goofing on my own trying to figure it out.

Posted by: Dave at January 24, 2012 05:33 AM (Xm1aB)

3 Dick Armey's "accidentally" calling Barney Frank Barney Fag was one of my favorite congressional Kinsey Gaffe moments ever. 

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2012 05:33 AM (ZJCDy)

4 I think we need a Powerful Warlord to take over. something out of a drug-cartel movie, or a Banana-Republic army general. something like that.....

Posted by: Vergeltung at January 24, 2012 05:34 AM (jttPx)

5 Frank's failure to turn that around with the obvious ammo in Armey's moniker was epic comeback fail as well.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2012 05:35 AM (ZJCDy)

6 A GWB guy was on yesterday hawking this as well. Said "the establishment" would put forth Daniels from IN.

He is marginally better than what we have now.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 05:35 AM (YdQQY)

7 I was banned from the last thread. WTF?

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 24, 2012 05:35 AM (7+pP9)

8 Warning signs of testicular atrophy
-Decreased libido
-Erectile Dysfunction
-Depression
-Being an elected Republican

/Still doesn;t change the fact that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure

Posted by: AlexC at January 24, 2012 05:36 AM (FQxwg)

9 Daniels wife won't let him run.

Posted by: bannor, voting for NotRomney at January 24, 2012 05:36 AM (6AXh/)

10 OT: The word from Pixy is that Tami, Y-not and Bob Saget's other computer should be back in the land of the unbanned. Anybody else still having problems?

Posted by: Andy at January 24, 2012 05:36 AM (xqCGg)

11 What planet do these establishment types think they are living on? Do they honestly think they can waltz in at the last minute, after dozens of debates and decent candidates already thrown to the dogs, and just give us somebody? And they think we'll all go on our merry way? This is a recipe for the destruction of the GOP. It's Newt or Mitt. Take your pick, it's too late for anybody else. And if Newt wins and the establishment don't like it, tough tooties.

Posted by: Galadriel at January 24, 2012 05:36 AM (eScuN)

12 Daniels was also GWB's budget director and he some how has morphed into a fiscal hawk, but he does detest the social issues so he would be a true establishment guy

Posted by: bannor, voting for NotRomney at January 24, 2012 05:38 AM (6AXh/)

13 small testicled men? if they even have testicles they haven't dropped........

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 24, 2012 05:38 AM (Ho2rs)

14 Brokered convention means either A: Jeb Bush or B: a Bush lackey. No f'ing thanks. Give me Newt at this point. Warts and all. Is he perfect? Heck no. But nobody has done as much to shrink federal government, power, and spending while in office since Calvin Coolidge. That is quite a statement.

Posted by: Lord Humungus at January 24, 2012 05:40 AM (Yv6gq)

15
Anybody else still having problems?

I tried to post to the last thread and got a grey screen saying "This service is no longer available". But my post went up. Go figure.

***UPDATE***

Pixy has left a brief explanation on the DOOM thread.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 24, 2012 05:41 AM (7+pP9)

16 Christine O'Donnell, destiny is calling.

Posted by: nickless at January 24, 2012 05:41 AM (SH452)

17 Oh Yay!  I'm unbanned!

I know, I know...you're all thrilled.

Thank you Andy! 

And thank you ontherocks for noticing my little yelps from my iphone!

And now....as usual, I have nothing of importance to say....

Carry on, morons.

Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2012 05:42 AM (X6akg)

18 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 05:42 AM (8y9MW)

19 >>>OT: The word from Pixy is that Tami, Y-not and Bob Saget's other computer should be back in the land of the unbanned. Anybody else still having problems?
Posted by: Andy at January 24, 2012 09:36 AM (xqCGg)


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I have a bunch of italics in my oatmeal.
Tastes like pepperoni.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2012 05:43 AM (ZJCDy)

20 "Hey folks, I'm just learning about HTML, can someone tell me how to put it in a tag?"

No.  With great power comes great responsibility, and too many Morons have shown willing to abuse their power.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 05:43 AM (8y9MW)

21 A brokered convention would be nice.

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 24, 2012 05:44 AM (/ErkR)

22 >>Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2012 09:42 AM (X6akg)

No problem Tami, you'd do the same for me right?


Right????


.......arright, don't answer that.....

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2012 05:45 AM (ZJCDy)

23 I am in favor of a brokered convention as well. What we have now is shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 05:46 AM (YdQQY)

24 Not sure how I feel about a brokered convention (which I guess is just the term for when no one gets the required number of delegates?) 

For that matter, I'm not sure how I feel about Dick Armey...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 05:46 AM (8y9MW)

25 I sense SHE will be coming to save the republican party soon...and do jumping jacks I just want to see HER do the jumping jacks

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 24, 2012 05:47 AM (QCM7A)

26 <<Do they honestly think they can waltz in at the last minute, after dozens of debates and decent candidates already thrown to the dogs, and just give us somebody?>>

Isn't that how it worked for about a hundred years?

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics at January 24, 2012 05:47 AM (ZKzrr)

27 I am in favor of a brokered convention as well. What we have now is shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 09:46 AM (YdQQY)

I agree, but unfortunately what we'll get from a brokered convention will merely be brokered shit.

The national equivalent of Dede Scozzofava- or whatever her name was...

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 24, 2012 05:48 AM (RSqz2)

28 How can their be a brokered convention? If delegates are pledged to the candidates that win primaries, then they can't switch votes at the convention. Anyway, I hope Mitch Daniels jumps in so he can suck more votes away from Mitt L. Schmerz.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2012 05:49 AM (UlUS4)

29

I doubt they can do the smoke filled room thing, and come out with a choice like Daniels, and not have that be the equivalent of strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing yourself up.

Daniels isn't magical. Had he gotten in the race, arguably he would have been competitive, maybe won. But the brokered convention option is going to need to pull of a goddamn miracle, if it's to be at all possible.

Possibly Romney will acquire a personality, or possibly Gingrich will over the next few months demonstrate he's capable of being on the top of the ticket and alay fears. Barring both those things, maybe you have a brokered convention option.

Maybe.

But you're probably going to blow up everything worse. You don't think it can get worse? Trust me, it can always get worse.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 05:50 AM (mf67L)

30 The "debates" were no debates. They were an exercise in the MFM doing a hit job and choosing our candidate for us.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 05:50 AM (YdQQY)

31 OT: the news just said the president wants gabby gifford's husband in moosechelle's box tonight Horrible visual I denounce myself

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 24, 2012 05:50 AM (QCM7A)

32 "If delegates are pledged to the candidates that win primaries, then they can't switch votes at the convention."

They're only pledged for the first vote, I think.  If no one draws the requisite majority on the first vote, all bets are off.

That is, at least, my understanding.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 05:50 AM (8y9MW)

33 I absolutely would, ontherocks! 

If it happens to you, God forbid, shot me an email at moronettetami AT gmail dot com.  That goes for anyone else that gets banned. 

It's horrible being stuck in a tiny phone trying to call for help.




Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2012 05:50 AM (X6akg)

34 Mitch Daniels?
The guy who's two feet tall with a squeaky voice. The guy who looks like a creepy little humunculus out of some Ray Harryhausen movie?
The guy who's wife walks all over him? Runs away for a fling and then the ball-less weenie wants her back. That guy?
Oh yeah, be still my heart. Just wait until the Axelrod/SNL/MSM gets through with that guy.

By the way, I detest the lack of testosterone and patriotic courage in the GOP...

...except for the 4 guys who are actually putting it on the line and running.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 24, 2012 05:51 AM (I49Jm)

35 I am in favor of a brokered convention as well. What we have now is shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 09:46 AM (YdQQY)

Hear, hear!

Posted by: really ... at January 24, 2012 05:52 AM (X3lox)

36

How can their be a brokered convention? If delegates are pledged to the candidates that win primaries, then they can't switch votes at the convention.

Well think about it man, what are you saying?

If no candidate gets the delegates necessary to win the nomination, they can start switching their votes.

They are not locked into a suicide pact. What do you think they're going to do if that happens (as it may happen, even if no one wants it to)? Just run no one? Walk out with no nominee and no opponent to Obama?

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 05:52 AM (mf67L)

37 But you're probably going to blow up everything worse. You don't think it can get worse? Trust me, it can always get worse.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 09:50 AM (mf67L)

After FL it is an unbroken string of blue States right up to Super Tuesday. Mutt will win every one of them and contrary to the polls, I suspect he will win FL as well. 

Then we will lose the general.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 05:52 AM (YdQQY)

38 Daniels wife won't let him run.

Posted by: bannor, voting for NotRomney at January 24, 2012 09:36 AM (6AXh/)

Doesn't anyone else remember this?  The elites want to exchange Mittens for a guy whose wife wears the pants (NTTATWRT)!  Fits right in with the Republican establishment history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 24, 2012 05:53 AM (i3+c5)

39 32 OT: the news just said the president wants gabby gifford's husband in moosechelle's box tonight
Horrible visual

I denounce myself

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 24, 2012 09:50 AM (QCM7A)

The poor guy. I hope he has a hazmat suit.

Posted by: dagny at January 24, 2012 05:53 AM (w+PM8)

40 Don't they ALWAYS say there could be a brokered convention, and then its settled about a third of hte way through, then everyone is like "it's going to be a coronation?"

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2012 05:53 AM (7vSU0)

41 Honestly, if it goes brokered, I think the order of likelihood is

1) Romney
2) Newt
3) Perry
4) Santorum
*- All of these were actually running and actually got votes.
5) Jeb
6) Mitch
7) Bobby J.

I think it would be bad to select someone who hadn't at least entered the the primary race, but I do think it's possible the Republicans might decide "hey, none of those guys were good enough, we need new blood."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 05:53 AM (8y9MW)

42 A bonus DOOM thread!

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics at January 24, 2012 05:53 AM (ZKzrr)

43 35. Depends How hot and/or rich is his wife?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 24, 2012 05:54 AM (QCM7A)

44 ehh, anyone for some tea?

Posted by: Warren G Harding - Zombie at January 24, 2012 05:54 AM (GaIwz)

45 What this party needs is a candidate sporting big balls.

Posted by: Stuff what Ben Franklin said betwixt pints at January 24, 2012 05:55 AM (/ZZCn)

46 O, gee, not the Daniels discussion again. You'd have to switch out the wife, get a charisma enhancer, hair plugs and leg extensions.

Posted by: dagny at January 24, 2012 05:55 AM (w+PM8)

47 Just run no one? Walk out with no nominee and no opponent to Obama?

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 09:52 AM (mf67L)

-----------------------------------------

Now you've hit on what the GOP REALLY wants to do.


P.S. This stupid shit with the "unbroken strings" in the text editor is beyond retarded.  How tough is it to program a decent text entry box?  It shouldn't take more than a few hours ... a day at most to recode all of the functionality - and to recode it in a less-than-retarded way.

Posted by: really ... at January 24, 2012 05:56 AM (X3lox)

48 35. Depends
How hot and/or rich is his wife?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 24, 2012 09:54 AM (QCM7A)

Not THAT hot!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 24, 2012 05:56 AM (i3+c5)

49 46 Isn't a brokered convention kind of like sending in a one-legged kicker to attempt a 53-yarder for the win, with 3 seconds left on the clock?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 24, 2012 09:55 AM (vbh31)

With the wind against him.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 05:56 AM (GaIwz)

50

Oh, things are getting worse. Our current front runner is full out attacking capitalism.

Posted by: dagny at January 24, 2012 05:56 AM (w+PM8)

51
How can their be a brokered convention? If delegates are pledged to the candidates that win primaries, then they can't switch votes at the convention.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton




Some delegates are unpledged, some are only pledged for the first ballot.  Varries by state. Also, about 10%, I think, of the delegates are superdelegates that are free to vote as their Dark Lord commands.

If Mitt is in second but close, they can drag him over the finish line or put up an anti-Newt at the convention.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2012 05:56 AM (3wBRE)

52 Newt or Santorum. If Armey doesn't like the choices he should've manned-up and ran. Ditto every-the-fuck-one else.
This is a cake walk election, and only these clowns stepped up to the tee.
You know this is a 2 man race, but its between Newt and Rick. Romney will not be the nominee. Conventional wisdom is always wrong.

Posted by: Iblis at January 24, 2012 05:56 AM (hLGVM)

53 Here is what I don't get. Why do people think a brokered convention would result in someone who isn't Gingrich, Romney or Ron Paul?

Posted by: Ben at January 24, 2012 05:57 AM (wuv1c)

54 "Isn't a brokered convention kind of like sending in a one-legged kicker to attempt a 53-yarder for the win, with 3 seconds left on the clock?"

No.  Why would it be?

It's unusual, in modern times, but certainly not impossible.  All it really means is that no one got the needed majority of delegates.  In a close race, that's not terribly surprising.

And, contra vic, I don't think Romney wins FL, unless something major changes, and I'm not even certain that Romney wins all of the delegates between FL and ST.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 05:57 AM (8y9MW)

55 Too late for a new entrant.
The only way someone "new" can enter now is as Vice Presidential candidate.

Posted by: Looking closely at January 24, 2012 05:57 AM (8vTCm)

56

Vic, I think a lot of people actually KNOW that, but they figgure that an non-offensive milktoast (in the face of unprecedented unopposable History) will cause the least damage down ticket.

Sounds insane to me.

I think it creates a void on the right of the right wing candidate, and the libertarians and the independant tea parties (and the fake democrat tea parties) charge through the breach and go donkey kong on the downticket.

Downticket, 3rd party options are the worse thing possible. As far as winning the presidency goes, I wouldn't rule it out this year.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 05:57 AM (mf67L)

57 1) Romney
2) Newt
3) Perry
4) Santorum
*- All of these were actually running and actually got votes.
5) Jeb
6) Mitch
7) Bobby J.

****
Too soon for Jeb although he would easily deliver Florida.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 05:58 AM (piMMO)

58 Our current front runner is full out attacking capitalism.

Wait.  What?  What now?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 05:58 AM (8y9MW)

59 47 What this party needs is a candidate sporting big balls.

Posted by: Stuff what Ben Franklin said betwixt pints at January 24, 2012 09:55 AM (/ZZCn)

What this party needs is a candidate with a massive breast

Posted by: Stuff Bill Clinton Said at January 24, 2012 05:58 AM (GaIwz)

60 They're only pledged for the first vote, I think. If no one draws the requisite majority on the first vote, all bets are off.

That is, at least, my understanding.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 09:50 AM (8y9MW)

Yes, one ballot and one ballot only. And the so-called "super delegates" aren't bound to anyone at all, even for one.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at January 24, 2012 05:58 AM (cPJUK)

61 Too late for a new entrant.
The only way someone "new" can enter now is as Vice Presidential candidate.

*****
Rand for VP!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 05:58 AM (piMMO)

62 I asked yesterday, but still cant find a reliable source. Whats the buzz about Newt not being on enough ballots to win the nomination all about.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2012 05:58 AM (WkuV6)

63 Most people here pining for a brokered convention are Palin fans. Since she wouldn't have to debate or campaign for the nomination, this would be the easiest way for her to get the nomination. Since she was too gutless to run.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 24, 2012 05:58 AM (kaOJx)

64 Hey, does anybody remember when Marco Rubio was unelectable and supporting him was a pipe dream for all the "purity" obsessives? Good times.

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2012 05:59 AM (7vSU0)

65 Too soon for Jeb although he would easily deliver Florida.

I think "Ever" will be too soon for Jeb.  I'm not sure the party apparatus agrees with either of us.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 05:59 AM (8y9MW)

66

Shouldn't this be in the Dooooooooooom thread?

 

Posted by: alexthechick at January 24, 2012 05:59 AM (VtjlW)

67 When did the Republicans get "superdelegates"? I thought that was a Democrat[sic] thing.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics at January 24, 2012 05:59 AM (ZKzrr)

68 bawney fwank on banjo do you mean a banjo sticking out of your ass?

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 24, 2012 06:00 AM (Ho2rs)

69 I think perry entering the race kept alot of the conservatives out of the race We all saw how well that worked out

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 24, 2012 06:00 AM (QCM7A)

70 Our current front runner is full out attacking capitalism.

Wait. What? What now?

****

Mitt:  Newt was an influence peddler for Fannie and Freddie

Newt:  Well Mitt invested HIS OWN MONEY in Fannie and Freddie....for a PROFIT!!!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:00 AM (piMMO)

71

 

A brokered convention would eliminate the possibility of someone presently running getting the nomination.  Who is going to cave?  By that time, hard feelings are going to be set in stone – not only for the candidate themselves, but also their supporters.

 

As far as someone jumping in late, it would be a blocking maneuver, not an actually run.  If Newt self-destructed or it appeared someone was going to run away with the nomination, someone will jump in to bleed delegates off.

Posted by: jwest at January 24, 2012 06:00 AM (FdndL)

72 62 Our current front runner is full out attacking capitalism.

Wait. What? What now?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 09:58 AM (8y9MW)

Next, another snuggle on the couch with the Botox-face-frozen dissipative

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 06:00 AM (GaIwz)

73 Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics at January 24, 2012 09:59 AM (ZKzrr)

It is.  But I think that some of the states also have "un-committed delegates" or something like that.  They're not exactly the same as super delegates, but they have the authority not to vote for whoever they were elected to vote for- if they so so desire.

I think.

The Convention stuff gets murky.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 06:01 AM (8y9MW)

74 67 Most people here pining for a brokered convention are Palin fans. Since she wouldn't have to debate or campaign for the nomination, this would be the easiest way for her to get the nomination. Since she was too gutless to run.

Marco?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 06:01 AM (GaIwz)

75 " we’re not going to have a reliable small government conservative who we can count on to advance, you know, innovative, creative ways to control this government and cause this economy to grow. So we’re going to have to get the House and the Senate beefed up,” he said."




Glad he got my memos.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 24, 2012 06:01 AM (7Qqrk)

76 Seriously, I don't know what I would do to see a Biden v Rand debate.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:02 AM (piMMO)

77 42 5) Jeb
6) Mitch
7) Bobby J.
___________

Oh, sure. The one day you can probably use without getting a smiley and you can only think of 7 possibilities?

Posted by: Anachronda at January 24, 2012 06:02 AM (6fER6)

78 32 OT: the news just said the president wants gabby gifford's husband in moosechelle's box tonight
Horrible visual
I denounce myself
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 24, 2012 09:50 AM (QCM7A)

Get a climbing harness and safety line on that man, stat!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 24, 2012 06:02 AM (Og1Kk)

79 If by "brokered convention" he means a Thunderdome-style cage match between the two candidates who survive the encounter with the Wood Beast, defeat the pack of hungry ROUS, and correctly read the spell of banishment from the Neconomicon, then I'm all for it.

Posted by: Galos Gann at January 24, 2012 06:02 AM (T3KlW)

80 I asked yesterday, but still cant find a reliable source. Whats the buzz about Newt not being on enough ballots to win the nomination all about.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2012 09:58 AM (WkuV6)

Don't know about other states, but the VA GOP rigged it so that I can vote for Paul or Romney, so Newt cannot get any VA delegates.  I cannot write in Newt (a really stupid, but establishment approved, restriction for a primary).  I may vote for Paul just to screw up the counts, or I may stay home.  I will vote R in the general.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 24, 2012 06:02 AM (i3+c5)

81 I  read somewhere that frigging Casey & frigging Toomey are sitting together tonight. Do you think they'll bring each other wrist corsages with bees with googly eyes? Why is Toomey doing this in a Casey re-election year?

(Is anyone else having problems with this site hogging up massive amounts of CPU? The site keeps crashing.)

Posted by: jeannebodine at January 24, 2012 06:03 AM (byR8d)

82 I think people need to stop listening to what their being fed and get on with it.Are the candidates we have now the anti establishment, bastions of conservatism? NO Second question, how about Obama for a second term? Ignore everything that we are being told for the most part, not to say some of it isn't truth, it is.Vote for the guy you like and at the end of the day support the last man standing. If the you cannot for "whatever" reason not only vote for the last man standing but get out there and push for him then.....How about 4 more years of Obama?

Posted by: Drider at January 24, 2012 06:03 AM (HaJD9)

83

@71

For Republicans, in 2012, there are potentially 3 superdelegates in each state, consisting of the state chairman and two RNC committeemen/women. However, certain states either have no superdelegates or have them but whose votes are bound by the results of the state vote. In 2012, there are a total of 132 Republican superdelegates.

Wikipedia




Although, I don't think the term "superdelegates" is used in the rules.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2012 06:03 AM (3wBRE)

84 Marco?

****

I just posted on the last thread that I think we're letting our crush on Rubio get in the way of our line of sight. He is a good man and has a bright future but has made two recent mistakes, one of which might have landed us in another cold war.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:03 AM (piMMO)

85 Newt: Well Mitt invested HIS OWN MONEY in Fannie and Freddie....for a PROFIT!!!

Okay, well.

If Mitt is going to say working for Freddie Mac as evil, because "Influence Peddler!"  it is a legitimate defense to say, "You didn't seem so concerned about influence peddling when you were investing your own money in the company."

Pointing out that Mitt is unprincipled is fair game.  Even if it's low, probably unnecessary, and more than a little hypocritical.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 06:03 AM (8y9MW)

86 Great! I'm unbanned!

That was the fastest unbanning I've ever seen around here. 'Hope Tami is back on line, too. Thanks to the folks (Andy, Tammy) who helped me get back home!

Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 06:04 AM (5H6zj)

87 Next, another snuggle on the couch with the Botox-face-frozen dissipative

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 10:00 AM (GaIwz)


The next ad Newtered does with Nanzi will be from a bed - just to rub it in our faces and really gross everyone out. That's how Newt rolls ... and he does roll.

Posted by: really ... at January 24, 2012 06:04 AM (X3lox)

88 If there was an obvious solution as a candidate, we'd all be talking about him/her right now.

I don't think surprises would be good for electoral purposes, but it would be a good thing if a real conservative would unzip that Mitt Romney suit and spring out at the last minute.
So long as the holy undies don't have too many holes.

Not likely, but maybe the best and most realistic possibility.  

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2012 06:04 AM (ZJCDy)

89

>>Too soon for Jeb although he would easily deliver Florida.

No. Never. There are two people I will never vote for. Ron Paul is one and Jeb Bush is the other.

I will never vote for a Bush family member as long as I live.

Posted by: Ben at January 24, 2012 06:04 AM (wuv1c)

90 Dick Armey is a dick. .....He failed at being a lobyist. ....Then he saw a parade forming, called the 'tea party', so he jumped in front of it. .....I used to like Dick Armey, before he showed what a dick he is.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 06:04 AM (ALwK/)

91 Sock off

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 06:05 AM (YdQQY)

92 Re Newt's consulting work. 

Did Bain ever hire consultants?  If we're going down this path, let's see that list. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 06:05 AM (5H6zj)

93 The Convention stuff gets murky.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 10:01 AM (8y9MW)

And for good reason my man.  How else are we to keep the riffraff out of our affairs?

Want to bet there is no written copy of the rules of order for the R convention?

Posted by: Hrothgar RNC Establishment Shill at January 24, 2012 06:05 AM (i3+c5)

94 Welcome back, Y-not.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 06:06 AM (ALwK/)

95 Sorry guys, I'm with S. Weasel on this:

"All the candidates still running are unacceptable and my favorite blogs are standing around in a circle kicking each other in the balls about it."

I'll vote come November.  That's it.  Congrats on killing everyone's enthusiasm, and I mean that from the RNC and the candidates on down to the 'tards in the trenches.

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96

>>Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 10:04 AM (5H6zj)

Glad you're back.

There was a rumor that you were strapped to the roof of Mitt's car.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2012 06:06 AM (ZJCDy)

97 If someone wants to run fine, If the establishment thinks they are gonna pick a Bushie at a brokered convention then I hope Trump and Palin team up to bury the Good Old Party!

Posted by: Concealedkerry or SubMitt at January 24, 2012 06:06 AM (vXqv3)

98 ...sonofa...I honestly didn't expect that bit in that sock to work.

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 24, 2012 06:07 AM (GBXon)

99 "I honestly didn't expect that bit in that sock to work."

Yeah, HTML (including anchor tags for links) seem to be working in nics, if nowhere else.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 06:08 AM (8y9MW)

100 Brokered Conventions mean a whole lot more whorin' and drinkin' than non-brokered conventions.

Posted by: GOP Strategist at January 24, 2012 06:08 AM (h6mPj)

101

Christine O'Donnell, destiny is calling.

 

Or we can drag out Mike Castle, since the GOP seems hell-bent on a RINO candidate. And it may net the GOP 3 EVs that they normally wouldn't have gotten

Posted by: Sgt. Hartman at January 24, 2012 06:08 AM (YmPwQ)

102

102 >>Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 10:04 AM (5H6zj)Glad you're back.
There was a rumor that you were strapped to the roof of Mitt's car.

------ Thanks for the giggle! Good one. ......I have been so disgusted with this whole mess that I haven't laughed at anything in days.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 06:09 AM (ALwK/)

103 I'm in. _

Posted by: Jayne ---- from Firefly at January 24, 2012 06:09 AM (h6mPj)

104 "All the candidates still running are unacceptable and my favorite blogs
are standing around in a circle kicking each other in the balls about
it."

Yup.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics at January 24, 2012 06:10 AM (ZKzrr)

105 Brokered Conventions mean a whole lot more whorin' and drinkin' than non-brokered conventions. Posted by: GOP Strategist at January 24, 2012 10:08 AM (h6mPj) You say that like it's a bad thing?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 06:10 AM (i6RpT)

106 >>Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 10:04 AM (5H6zj)Glad you're back.
There was a rumor that you were strapped to the roof of Mitt's car.


Inside a kennel, hope you didn't get sick, Mitt said you kind of enjoyed it!

Posted by: Concealedkerry or SubMitt at January 24, 2012 06:11 AM (vXqv3)

107 You're not a faithless delegate. You're a faithFUL delegate - faithful to the Constitution. -

Posted by: Ron Paul Sleeper Cell Convention Planner at January 24, 2012 06:11 AM (h6mPj)

108 Oh wow the blog is back to normal, well as close to normal as it can be with so many racist morons here.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 06:11 AM (i6RpT)

109 No way that happens. You want to piss off the base, alienate moderates, and let the dems talk about how undemocratic the GOP is, Then go ahead and pick somebody who hasn't been running

Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 06:11 AM (5wsU9)

110 "Yeah, HTML (including anchor tags for links) seem to be working in nics, if nowhere else."

Considering that's what borked that one set of comments yesterday, one would expect that would be what got DX'ed, rather than the comment formatting...

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 24, 2012 06:11 AM (GBXon)

111

The only thing that is absolutely certain is that if we have a brokered convention and Palin ends as President, a certain popular blogger will be writing from a cell in Gitmo.

 

 

“Today I settled all Family business, so don’t tell me you’re innocent, Ace.”

Posted by: jwest at January 24, 2012 06:13 AM (FdndL)

112 In that joke of a debate last night, the only one saying serious stuff was Santorum, and whenever he started to get on a roll Brian Williams would change to a totally different subject. He'd also do that whenever the candidates started to hit Obama's policies effectively.

But no one will support Rick because everyone is afraid of the wrath of teh gheys. What they put VX in their glitter attacks or something?

Posted by: Iblis at January 24, 2012 06:13 AM (hLGVM)

113

Palin would not be a brokered convention win. To a lot of people she has the magic... but to too many others it would be an outright declaration of existential war. We have no magical figure to unite everyone.

 

To the extent there's any possibility she, or someone else, could swoop in and save us, it strikes me as a scenario will, in the face of atrocious polling, low enthusiasm and support, the GOP nominee implodes in the general and leaves it wide open for a 3rd party shot.

 

If we're going to nominate a suck-ass candidate that can't win, I think the sooner it becomes obvious they won't win, the better. Better for the suckass candidate (if there is to be one) to implode utterly, fairly early, than limp all the way to the line just to lose with squishy dignity.

 

To that effect, I actually prefer Newt on that score. If he is to implode, it's like to be more abrupt and complete, and the nominee having a scandal and dropping out makes room for another roll of the dice.

 

If Romney is to implode and go down in flames - and I think there is a strong chance he will, at the moment the current Romney looks like a sure loser - he's more likely to drag it out and bleed to death slowly, so that his campaign can bottom out right about the time everyone is voting.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:13 AM (mf67L)

114
"Yeah, HTML (including anchor tags for links) seem to be working in nics, if nowhere else."

Considering that's what borked that one set of comments yesterday, one would expect that would be what got DX'ed, rather than the comment formatting...
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That would make sense.

Have you forgotten what blog you're on?

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 24, 2012 06:13 AM (7+pP9)

115 This is Teh Fred!!!'s opening!

Posted by: GergS at January 24, 2012 06:14 AM (dptRY)

116 No way that happens. You want to piss off the base, alienate moderates, and let the dems talk about how undemocratic the GOP is, Then go ahead and pick somebody who hasn't been running Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 10:11 AM (5wsU9) I call bullshit on that. He'd be running but a real late entry. And if the "base" and "moderates" don't really like someone who was in from the get go, what are we suppose to nominate a schmuck just to satisfy someone? It's very democratic to vote until the majority ( as defined by the rules) prevails

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 06:14 AM (i6RpT)

117 Hey Y-not, I'm back from the undead too.

Last night's debate was one of the worst yet.

The Huckabee style debates are much better because we don't have the moderators starting some pissing match between the candidates, snippets of which the dems will later use in commercials.

In Huckabee's debates the candidates are by themselves answering questions.  Much better.

Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2012 06:14 AM (X6akg)

118 But no one will support Rick because everyone is afraid of the wrath of teh gheys. What they put VX in their glitter attacks or something?

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Liz Cheney said Sunday that he is the one to keep your eye on. She said he'll write off Florida and move ahead and spend his money and time more wisely in the following series of states.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:15 AM (piMMO)

119 Yeah I would think in a brokered convention the handful of proportional delegates for Santorum or Paul are wooed to switch to one of the top two vote getters. Someone sign Romney up for testosterone shots and intensive coaching. If he can man up and defend capitalism and being successful as a businessman instead of sounding like a stammering clusterfck of a miserable guilt ridden apologist I could live with him.

Posted by: Palerider at January 24, 2012 06:15 AM (FBj6Z)

120 This is Teh Fred!!!'s opening!

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I would have hoped but now he's backed Newt

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:15 AM (piMMO)

121

If St Sarah is the savior of the Party, why didn't she run for the job?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 24, 2012 06:16 AM (kaOJx)

122
I see many of you are at the bargaining stage now. I may stay away from blogs during the depression stage.

Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 06:16 AM (5wsU9)

123 Oh for cripes sake, jwest. .....The only thing that is "certain" now, is that you must have a tatoo of Palin on the inside of your eyelids. ....You like her. We get that. Give it a fucking rest.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 06:16 AM (ALwK/)

124 "That would make sense.

Have you forgotten what blog you're on?"

---

Nah, it's just that the irony of a 'solution' that doesn't fix the problem, but restricts folks anyway, on a blog where we kvetch about Washington doing just that...

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 24, 2012 06:17 AM (GBXon)

125

Bill Clinton v. Mitt Romney. I too trust the guy who is already rich.

Posted by: whatever at January 24, 2012 06:17 AM (O7ksG)

126 It's not the size of the testicles, it's the motility of the sperm. _

Posted by: AoSHQ Resident Urologist at January 24, 2012 06:17 AM (h6mPj)

127 Welcome back, Tami.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 06:17 AM (ALwK/)

128 Buggering shite, smileys work!

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 24, 2012 06:17 AM (GBXon)

129 Last night's debate was one of the worst yet.

The Huckabee style debates are much better because we don't have the moderators starting some pissing match between the candidates, snippets of which the dems will later use in commercials.

In Huckabee's debates the candidates are by themselves answering questions. Much better.

****
Well, you can't have a star like Brian Williams competing for attention with the candidates! And, yes, we've finally identified the one thing that Huckabee is good at: His forums are terrific. And, maybe it's just me, but when Santorum is allowed to speak, he comes off pretty well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:18 AM (piMMO)

130 A brokered convention would mean great ratings!

Posted by: APPLE at January 24, 2012 06:19 AM (i6RpT)

131 I call bullshit on that. He'd be running but a real late entry. And if the "base" and "moderates" don't really like someone who was in from the get go, what are we suppose to nominate a schmuck just to satisfy someone? It's very democratic to vote until the majority ( as defined by the rules) prevails.

Sorry, but one of the big critiques on Perry was that he got in too late. He didn't have time to hone his message. If Perry was too late in September, any other candidate will be too late in February.

Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 06:19 AM (5wsU9)

132 Nah, Newt is gonna win outright.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at January 24, 2012 06:19 AM (uVlA4)

133 >> It's horrible being stuck in a tiny phone trying to call for help.

Sometimes I wonder if there could be an entire, tiny universe, in my thumbnail.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 24, 2012 06:19 AM (WvXvd)

134 Brokered convention --- better know as the Return of the Warcock, the Kingmaker --the night the cougars cried.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2012 06:20 AM (WkuV6)

135 Robert Redford says Sundance, the corporate sponsored playground for celebrities, is for the '99 percent' Said like a true democratic 1% jackass

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 06:20 AM (i6RpT)

136 If St Sarah is the savior of the Party, why didn't she run for the job?

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I just can't help it...my panties are in a wad over her crass comment about Christie's panties being in a wad. If she's going to play in the big leagues, that type of crudeness should be ironed out just a bit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:21 AM (piMMO)

137 This blog and many of its commentors are unhappy about the candidates, but that doesn't mean everybody else is.  Keep that in mind.

Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 06:21 AM (5wsU9)

138

Perry's problem was using the word heartless. Most conservatives left him for Cain, then Santorum, and now Gingrich. Words have meaning.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 24, 2012 06:21 AM (kaOJx)

139 >>Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 10:04 AM (5H6zj)Glad you're back.
There was a rumor that you were strapped to the roof of Mitt's car.

heh

Trust me, if he tried to pull that on my dog he'd be singing in the soprano section of the MTC. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 06:22 AM (5H6zj)

140 Sorry, but one of the big critiques on Perry was that he got in too late. He didn't have time to hone his message. If Perry was too late in September, any other candidate will be too late in February. Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 10:19 AM (5wsU9) I don't remember anyone bitching on ethics grounds that he got in to late. Was he unprepared and a shitty candidate, sure but that is not because of when he got in, but because he was a shitty candidate.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 06:22 AM (i6RpT)

141 Robert Redford says Sundance, the corporate sponsored playground for celebrities, is for the '99 percent'

The movie industry DOES get a lot of tax breaks that businesses that make things people actually want to buy don't get...

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics at January 24, 2012 06:22 AM (ZKzrr)

142 Hrothgar - I know all about VA. The party got an earful from me. There are Romneyites and Paulians talking about how Newt cannot win 564 delegates (needs about 1100 for a majority). I can't find a reputable round up of states that he isn't on the ballot.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2012 06:22 AM (WkuV6)

143 That debate last night was total Suckage on display. ......Where the hell did NBC get that herd of sheep for the audience? .....Did those people have a pulse? ......They were told to "shut up, don't clap, don't show any response".......and they obeyed? WTF!

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 06:23 AM (ALwK/)

144 And, maybe it's just me, but when Santorum is allowed to speak, he comes off pretty well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 10:18 AM (piMMO)



Santorum should be the nominee. He's the only decent one left in the field, and certainly the only actual conservative.  But the GOP and the pundits are all intent on ignoring him.  Otherwise, they'd have to go after him like they went after Bachmann, who was the best candidate in this race.

Posted by: really ... at January 24, 2012 06:23 AM (X3lox)

145 This blog and many of its commentors are unhappy about the candidates, but that doesn't mean everybody else is. Keep that in mind. Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 10:21 AM (5wsU9) The fact that many, a majority, of Republican voters keep changing their minds and the wild swings in polls, would tend to indicate they are unhappy. Especially when they are polled and a majority do say they are unhappy.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 06:24 AM (i6RpT)

146 142 If St Sarah is the savior of the Party, why didn't she run for the job?

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I just can't help it...my panties are in a wad over her crass comment about Christie's panties being in a wad. If she's going to play in the big leagues, that type of crudeness should be ironed out just a bit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 10:21 AM (piMMO)


Listen in a battle of heavyweights no one can punch harder than CC. When he gets a head of steam up, he is like a runaway locomotive. He's like a grizzly charging and Sarah won't have any long gun protecting her. She'd be grizzly chow

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 06:24 AM (+hB3s)

147 I don't remember anyone bitching on ethics grounds that he got in to late. Was he unprepared and a shitty candidate, sure but that is not because of when he got in, but because he was a shitty candidate.

This is a two parter. !) a candidate can't get in this late because it'll be logistically impossible and they'll be unprepared. 2) A brokered convention isn't going to happen and is a fucking stupid idea. I'm sorry the candidate you like isn't going mt be the nominee, but a brokered convention will ensure Obama's reelection.

Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 06:25 AM (5wsU9)

148 That debate last night was total Suckage on display. ......Where the hell did NBC get that herd of sheep for the audience? .....Did those people have a pulse? ......They were told to "shut up, don't clap, don't show any response".......and they obeyed? WTF!

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Listen closely on Thursday for someone to yell out and ask the candidates about their positions on pudding

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:25 AM (piMMO)

149 But no one will support Rick because everyone is afraid of the wrath of teh gheys. What they put VX in their glitter attacks or something?

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I just haven't seen his positive case for support and, yeah, he strikes me as too focused on enforcing morality issues via the government.  But mostly the former. 

I am not committed to Newt.  Basically, I'm at the test drive stage.  So far, I can accept his flaws.  What may help a bit is that I like his personality more than I like the other two.  But really it's just that I don't see that Santorum or Romney have made a convincing case that they can beat the Dems in DC. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 06:26 AM (5H6zj)

150 NBC censored a whole room full of people. .....And no one seems to have a problem with that? .....We are so fucking lost.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 06:26 AM (ALwK/)

151 Ron Paul's porn stash uncovered...

How money is made from gold bullion to gold coins a 1920s silent film

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 24, 2012 06:26 AM (zgwWv)

152 Wouldn't it be cool if we could draft Bob McDonnell at a brokered convention? He's a popular governor of a swing state, untainted by scandal as far as I know. What a coup -- it would send the SCOAMF's people scrambling.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 24, 2012 06:27 AM (RD7QR)

153 Thank you wheatie!

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Well, you can't have a star like Brian Williams competing for attention with the candidates! And, yes, we've finally identified the one thing that Huckabee is good at: His forums are terrific. And, maybe it's just me, but when Santorum is allowed to speak, he comes off pretty well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 10:18 AM (piMMO)

I loathe Huckabee and did a happy dance when he said he wasn't going to run but yeah, he does good debates.

 




Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2012 06:27 AM (X6akg)

154 AAAGH here is the link to the How money is made

the Jooos must have blocked the link last time

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 24, 2012 06:27 AM (zgwWv)

155 I don't remember anyone bitching on ethics grounds that he got in to
late. Was he unprepared and a shitty candidate, sure but that is not
because of when he got in, but because he was a shitty candidate.

***

The effed up thread from yesterday was basically passed over for real discussion because of the hijacked format, but it seems it was bad timing for Perry for more reasons than one: Back surgery, pain meds, half his state on fire. Given a clean start, I think he could have done quite well. It just wasn't meant to be.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:28 AM (piMMO)

156 http://bit.ly/AjU4jy how money is made

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 24, 2012 06:28 AM (zgwWv)

157 Dick Armey.... small testicled men.

I see what you did there....

Posted by: Doc at January 24, 2012 06:28 AM (EjCq8)

158 AAAGH here is the link to the How money is made

the Jooos must have blocked the link last time

***
Yeah. You're just going to have to put it in the thread. Linky thingy no worky.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:29 AM (piMMO)

159 Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 10:24 AM (+hB3s)

I like Chris Chritie.  I think he jumped on the mittens band wagon too soon.  He didn't want to lose face if Mittens isn't the party nominee so he went out swinging.  It wasn't pretty.  It made me, a big Chris Christie supporter gasp and wonder if it was reparable.  Sarah Palin has given him a chance to walk it back.  Yesterday he wasn't in Florida as he was busy nominating NJ justices.  A lot of people think he should remain busy until all this shakes out and the nominee is more clear.  What he gains by going out swinging is a closer look from his fans who are fickle.  Why risk your own political capital if you don't have to risk it?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 24, 2012 06:29 AM (oZfic)

160

Was that the most boring debate ever?  Fell asleep in the middle.  Since it was aired at 9:00pm here in California (what's up with that?), I bet the ratings will be in the tank.  Oh, and Floria debate audience, WAKE UP!!!

I normally like Dick Armey but he should just shut up.

Posted by: JoAnne at January 24, 2012 06:30 AM (8DdAv)

161 "He's the only decent one left in the field, and certainly the only actual conservative."

Rick Santorum doesn't believe that the 10th Amendment actually means what it says.  He believes that the Federal Government should have much more power over your personal life than it already does.

If he completely ignores one part of the Constitution due to his ideology (even if I largely agree with that ideology- which I do) what's to stop him from ignoring other parts of the Constitution due to his ideology?  We already have an Executive who believes the Constitution is more in the nature of a suggestion.

Rick Santorum really probably is the most "Conservative" if you believe that means only on social issues and taxes.  If you believe it also means size and (especially) scope of the government, I'm not sure he's you're guy.

Now, he still may be more conservative than Newt and Mitt (that really wouldn't surprise me), but then you have to add the fact that he's just completely not getting traction, and wonder why that is.  Messaging?  Charisma (or lack there of)?  What?

If he's closest to you, support him with your vote (and probably some cash).  As for me, that 10th Amendment thing is a complete disqualifier.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 06:31 AM (8y9MW)

162 Remember the debate was in Florida. The audience is usually awake by 3am and asleep by 5pm. NBC probably had to pump oxygen in and spike the water with caffeine to keep then conscious.

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Dude, you think the entire friggin state is nothing but blue-hairs?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:31 AM (piMMO)

163 Yeah. You're just going to have to put it in the thread. Linky thingy no worky.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 10:29 AM (piMMO)

Try this:

http://bit.ly/AjU4jy

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 06:31 AM (+hB3s)

164 You know who want a brokered convention? Whiners are sore losers.

You can support one of the current candidates or you can continue to bitch about them, but wish casting a brokered convention is fucking stupid.

Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 06:32 AM (5wsU9)

165 23 I am in favor of a brokered convention as well. What we have now is shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 09:46 AM (YdQQY)

I 100% agree, but how do we know the custom ordered shit sandwich will be any better than the ones on the buffet?

Posted by: maddogg at January 24, 2012 06:32 AM (OlN4e)

166

In other news, Mark Kirk's wife is apparently decided since the dude is in the hospital following brain sugery, he's vulnerable and now is the best time to beat the shit out of him.

Lovely wife. I didn't know Kirk had such a wife, but I am not suprised. He does not deserve her (no one does) but he did pick her, god knows why.

As far as his past squishiness goes, I find it not at all shocking he has a raging commie for a wife who goes out and accuses him of losing his 'political moral compass'.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:32 AM (mf67L)

167 OT: Occupy squatters living in igloos at Davos. 


They are complaining that, with all the snow, the police cars are all totally buried and there's nowhere to take a dump. Rapes are expected to be unimpeded by snow, though.

Posted by: really ... at January 24, 2012 06:33 AM (X3lox)

168 Entropy....as Paul Harvey would have said...the rest of the story?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:33 AM (piMMO)

169 Does it mean I've gone insane if I find myself thinking what cat pee wrote makes sense? On more than one occasion? I'm really frightened.

Posted by: jeannebodine at January 24, 2012 06:34 AM (byR8d)

170 It's neither here nor there, but I recall vividly folks here and elsewhere saying Rick was taking too long to enter the race.  It started even before the back surgery and before the TX legislature was in recess.  Remember?  The rumors started that he was thinking to run and then it was suddenly "he'd better get in quick!" 

So the timing was off and it wasn't his year, but even without my rose-colored glasses on he had many elements of a good campaign after the rough start.  I watched some of his speeches and they tended to start slow (he didn't really have his patter down, although I'm not sure he was any worse than Romney who is quite rigid) but when he got to something he was passionate about (like the military or energy) he did great.  His ads were for the most part very good.  And he put out some solid ideas. 

I think he can try again if the unthinkable happens and Obama wins again. 

But it really doesn't matter.  It's about how are we going to get out of this mess now?  Four years from now if we're in a new and different mess it may take a different person. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 06:34 AM (5H6zj)

171

Dude, you think the entire friggin state is nothing but blue-hairs?

----

No, of course there's lots of Cubans in Miami too.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:34 AM (mf67L)

172 Testing

Posted by: Bob Saget at January 24, 2012 06:34 AM (SDkq3)

173 They are complaining that, with all the snow, the police cars are all totally buried and there's nowhere to take a dump. Rapes are expected to be unimpeded by snow, though.

Posted by: really ... at January 24, 2012 10:33 AM (X3lox)

One could hope that frostbite would impede some-thing.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 06:34 AM (+hB3s)

174 Lovely wife. I didn't know Kirk had such a wife, but I am not suprised. He does not deserve her (no one does) but he did pick her, god knows why.
As far as his past squishiness goes, I find it not at all shocking he has a raging commie for a wife who goes out and accuses him of losing his 'political moral compass'.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 10:32 AM (mf67L)

Umm...what?  I thought he was divorced.

Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2012 06:34 AM (X6akg)

175 FREEDOM!!!!

Bob Saget is happy to be unbanned.

Posted by: Bob Saget at January 24, 2012 06:35 AM (SDkq3)

176 It's a choice between newt and romney but i can get behind a b. convention

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 24, 2012 06:35 AM (mR7Dg)

177 Dick Armey may have something here, cuz unlike that uber lobbyist, I have my finger on the pulse of Joe Bud Light. As Romney and Gingrich continue to slug it out in a septic tank, voters are going to get sick and tired of the both of them and will be increasingly unwilling to settle for either. Santorum will not be the fall back choice. Sooooo........say hello to Mitch Daniels and his runaway bride! There's been so much sludge tossed around already that Cheri Daniels' wanderlust will be a welcome diversion.

Posted by: Helpful Pundit at January 24, 2012 06:35 AM (jiwQf)

178

Niedermeyer I don't get the Paul Harvey reference.

At any rate I'm listening to it on local radio so I don't have a link.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:35 AM (mf67L)

179 Easy folks, don't get your "panties in a wad."  There is a lot that can happen to wrap this up by one of the jokers we have in the race right now.

Posted by: dblwmy at January 24, 2012 06:35 AM (BvTwT)

180 You can support one of the current candidates or you can continue to bitch about them, but wish casting a brokered convention is fucking stupid. Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 10:32 AM (5wsU9) I think your missing the point. Some may be, but most are not wishing for a brokered convention. Just pointing out the possibility of one occurring. And better to have a brokered convention than to have to nominate a deeply flawed candidate just because?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 06:36 AM (i6RpT)

181

Just like the Russians, Dick Armey doesnÂ’t take a dump without a plan.

 

I suspect that Armey will announce the formation of a SuperPAC thatÂ’s sole mission is to hammer on ObamaÂ’s record of failure until the election, while the other PACs are fighting against each other.  This PAC would pledge not to endorse any existing candidate.

 

Money would flow freely to something like this.

Posted by: jwest at January 24, 2012 06:36 AM (FdndL)

182 The thing about both Romney and Santorum, is that they both come across as whiney, fidgety, babbity and boring. .....They will also have a hard time energizing voters across the South, since they will both be perceived as 'Yankee carpetbagger scum who hate our guts'.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 06:37 AM (ALwK/)

183 Florida: old people, cubans, college teens and southerners in the panhandle is how I identify the state. Great vacation place though. California is nice as well but most of my family ops for florida because it's cheaper

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 24, 2012 06:37 AM (mR7Dg)

184 I think your missing the point. Some may be, but most are not wishing for a brokered convention. Just pointing out the possibility of one occurring. And better to have a brokered convention than to have to nominate a deeply flawed candidate just because?

That possibility is zero. And given today's media, a candidate that isn't deeply flawed now, will be by the end of the process. I don't care who it is.

Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 06:37 AM (5wsU9)

185

OK, Tami is right - it's his EX wife.

Still a raging bitch and still a lovely time to take pot shots at him as he sits in a hospital bed with his skull in pieces.

Does show some good judgement on the EX part though.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:38 AM (mf67L)

186 As Romney and Gingrich continue to slug it out in a septic tank

I guess I have to catch up on the debate thread, but my impression from my quick scan of blogs was that Newt did not take the bait from Romney last night.  Mitt attacked, but Newt didn't really go back at him as hard as he could.  Am I mistaken? 

Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 06:38 AM (5H6zj)

187 I suspect that Armey will announce the formation of a SuperPAC thatÂ’s sole mission is to hammer on ObamaÂ’s record of failure until the election, while the other PACs are fighting against each other. This PAC would pledge not to endorse any existing candidate.

Money would flow freely to something like this.

Posted by: jwest at January 24, 2012 10:36 AM (FdndL)

Hell yea, I'd kick in for that... But it better not hold back....

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 06:39 AM (+hB3s)

188 What is she saying, Entropy?

Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 06:39 AM (5H6zj)

189
@173

If you're talking about the Chicago Mag piece with his ex Kimberly Vertolli, it seems pretty straightforward.  He was a workaholic who didn't tak care of himself and blew an inner-tube.

Kinda hard to argue with that, and her phrasing seemed measured and sensitive, at least compared with NewtWife 2.0.



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2012 06:40 AM (3wBRE)

190 Of course not, but the trailer trash don't attend political debates.

****

Ha. You ass!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:41 AM (piMMO)

191

But it really doesn't matter. It's about how are we going to get out of this mess now? Four years from now if we're in a new and different mess it may take a different person.

------

Y-not, you know my biggest fear?

If Romney pulls this thing off we may have to vote for Gingrich again in 4 years.

It'll be his turn!

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:41 AM (mf67L)

192

Actually he says he *wants* a brokered convention.  Big difference.

What he actually predicts is that whatever happens, we aren't getting a small-government conservative this year, so we should focus on Congress.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 24, 2012 06:42 AM (epBek)

193 It's going to be crap regardless at this point, barring a miracle.  I've largely given up on the Greatly Overrated Party ever managing to do the right thing, except by accident, which they quickly 'correct'.

[Note to self:  Find a way to use smileys to re-enect Benny Hill ending skits, complete with 'Yakety Sax' playing. ]

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 24, 2012 06:42 AM (GBXon)

194 I guess I have to catch up on the debate thread, but my impression from my quick scan of blogs was that Newt did not take the bait from Romney last night. Mitt attacked, but Newt didn't really go back at him as hard as he could. Am I mistaken?

***
Mostly, but there was one moment there when Newt look/sounded like an injured lamb. I can't remember exactly the topic, but he was muttering a bit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2012 06:43 AM (piMMO)

195 Come 2016 we'll all be supporting Alan Keyes for national office as the only Not-Newt left in the race.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:43 AM (mf67L)

196 NBC probably had to pump oxygen in and spike the water with caffeine to keep then conscious.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 24, 2012 10:29 AM (N/1Dm)

Actually they were told to sit on their hands and not clap or cheer by NBC. Not biased much huh?

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 06:43 AM (YdQQY)

197 Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2012 10:37 AM (ALwK/)

Last night Romney came off as more than boring.  He looked like he was trying to pick a fight and Newt looked like the intelligent nerd who wasn't going to be bullied by the top jock.  Newt actually looked better cause he didn't allow romney to suck him in.

Santorum doesn't look boring.  He looks resolute and determined.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 24, 2012 06:43 AM (oZfic)

198 How the hell is this supposed to work? So we just tell everyone to ignore everything that has already happened?

Posted by: Mongoose at January 24, 2012 06:44 AM (KM86p)

199 Horse's ass Pat Buchanan is on Laura Ingraham claiming that Noot fucked up last night by not attacking.  Based on that Joooo hating fuckstick's past record, I'm thinking Neut probably did the right thing.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2012 06:44 AM (yowgW)

200 Actually he says he *wants* a brokered convention. Big difference.

So he's being a whiny little bitch. I'm sorry we don't need our *deeply flawed* candidates to be  damaged any further by having party elite say they suck.

Posted by: taylork at January 24, 2012 06:45 AM (5wsU9)

201 what i noticed about the debate last night was even the lack of energy on the candidates parts, especially Newts, Do you think this idea had anything to do with it>?

Posted by: willow at January 24, 2012 06:46 AM (h+qn8)

202

I think half the thing with Kirk's wife is, she has a history of sniping at him.

And now there's more noice coming out of her and this, I don't think, is the time we need to be hearing from her, or her criticisms (fair or otherwise) of Kirk, a day after he has a goddamn stroke.

On WLS AM840, the term 'breaking bad' is getting used a lot. Snippy ex wives are not the go-to interview while a guy is knocked up in bed with a stroke.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:46 AM (mf67L)

203 Horse's ass Pat Buchanan is on Laura Ingraham claiming that Noot fucked up last night by not attacking.


Well, since that is exactly what Laura Ingram said this morning on Fox I guess he would say that.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 06:46 AM (YdQQY)

204 How the hell is this supposed to work? So we just tell everyone to ignore everything that has already happened?

*Waves Hand* Those are not the candidates you are looking for.

Posted by: Obi Wan Kenobi at January 24, 2012 06:47 AM (5wsU9)

205 Posted by: Y-not at January 24, 2012 10:38 AM (5H6zj) ---------------------- Good observation. Romney and Gingrich did go at it last night, but calmly.......and in a conversational tone. It was weird. It was like they both agreed before the debate to tone it down.

Posted by: Helpful Pundit at January 24, 2012 06:47 AM (jiwQf)

206 "I suspect that Armey will announce the formation of a SuperPAC thatÂ’s sole mission is to hammer on ObamaÂ’s record of failure until the election, while the other PACs are fighting against each other. This PAC would pledge not to endorse any existing candidate. "

Wait!  That's what we were going to do!

Darn you Dick Armey!!!!!!!

Seriously... it would be nice if I could get into the Yahoo Group, because I still think MoronPAC is a good idea.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 06:48 AM (8y9MW)

207 The Tea Party gets enough bad press as it is.
It makes no sense at all to have a guy by the name of Dick Armey out front.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2012 06:50 AM (ZJCDy)

208 Horse's ass Pat Buchanan is on Laura Ingraham claiming that Noot fucked up last night by not attacking.

Note to all candidates. Do not take Pat Buchanan's advice....ever.

Posted by: Obi Wan Kenobi at January 24, 2012 06:51 AM (5wsU9)

209 Well this is just stupid.

Say what you want about our choices, but at least all of them had enough motivation to actually throw their hat in the ring and run in multiple states.

That someone would waltz in without any vetting by voters at all and become the nominee strikes me as counter productive for a modern campaign that wants to win.

Posted by: CausticConservative at January 24, 2012 06:51 AM (gT3jF)

210

Vetting is my new favorite euphamism.

We have a lot of problems with gang vetting in Chicago. Lots of gangs want to vet their competition.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 06:53 AM (mf67L)

211 Lots of gangs want to vet their competition.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 10:53 AM (mf67L)

Don't you meant "vent"?

Posted by: Hrothgar RNC Establishment Shill at January 24, 2012 06:54 AM (i3+c5)

212 "Actually they were told to sit on their hands and not clap or cheer by NBC. Not biased much huh?"
------------------

And they listened? Why? Was NBC going to throw them out and have no audience?

Posted by: Retread at January 24, 2012 06:56 AM (joSBv)

213 I'm not sure why people keep pushing Santorum as a viable candidate.  If I wouldn't support Huckabee in 2008, why would I support his clone in 2012?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 24, 2012 06:57 AM (Pixxe)

214

RE: Santorabee - no, as things sit, he ain't gonna win nothing. He's at like 10% now and clearly the loser as this shapes into a Romney/Gingrich race.

That being said, he probably SHOULD NOT drop out.

We might NEED HIM, if something should happen to the other candidates, god forbid they are both on the same plane or something, but I think for obvious reasons we ought consider the need for a backup dude in the race.

Not only that, but if it does come down to a brokered convention, we want stuff broken up, with more people getting input, not less.

Not only that, but dammit, his 10% support should get a chance to fucking vote for him, for a change.

So I hope the 4 man race stays that way all the way to the convention no matter what this point.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 07:01 AM (mf67L)

215 Of course, that being said, his supporters break Gingrich over Romney, like 50%-25%.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 07:01 AM (mf67L)

216 Who do you SUPPORT oh prophet Glenn Beck?! I listen to Beck attack Gingrich for 3 hours every day, but for the life of me cannot discern who Beck is for. who ya FOR, Beck? I don't hear Beck talking up any candidate, just talking down Gingrich 24/7. Add to the fact that Beck has aligned himself with Catholic-hater John Hagee.......one might deduce that Beck has a problem with Catholics. I'm not saying he does, I'm just saying that Beck, unlike Rush, Hannity, and Levin, has inserted himself into the primary debate by attacking one candidate relentlessly. Why?

Posted by: Helpful Pundit at January 24, 2012 07:02 AM (jiwQf)

217 Chuck Norris/R Lee Ermey 2012

Posted by: Mongoose at January 24, 2012 07:02 AM (KM86p)

218

"but we have a party of small-testicled men."

You all proved that with Tuscon. 

Posted by: Jaynie59 at January 24, 2012 07:04 AM (4zKCA)

219

Giffords got shot in the head, somehow that means Sarah Palin has small testicles?

She shot a bitch in the head! Sounds like big juevos to me.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 07:06 AM (mf67L)

220 One must not forget that Beck is a Mormon.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 07:06 AM (YdQQY)

221  Chuck Norris for press secretary; there's a Whitehouse press corps only because Chuck Norris allows them to live.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 24, 2012 07:12 AM (6BgmB)

222 from Mitt L. Schmerz. Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Ha!  I saw what you did there!  Ausgezeichnet!

Yay, Tami and Y-Not are back! 

Posted by: Theresa is nucking futz at January 24, 2012 07:12 AM (xmOY4)

223 220 "Actually they were told to sit on their hands and not clap or cheer by NBC. Not biased much huh?"
------------------

And they listened? Why? Was NBC going to throw them out and have no audience?

Posted by: Retread at January 24, 2012 10:56 AM (joSBv)

I was thinking about this last night.  They all should have said okay, then do whatever they wanted.  It was their debate, afterall (sheeple).  It would have been a big fat F.U. to "the rules we liberals like to set for those idiot Republicans who fall for it every time" NBC et al.

 

Can you imagine Brian Williams telling the audience to constantly shush?  Would've really empathized the nanny-lovers meme.  Plus, they could've booed him.  Strategery out the window, obedience in.  Fools. 

Posted by: JoAnne at January 24, 2012 07:13 AM (8DdAv)

224 Why is stuff still broken here?

Posted by: JoAnne at January 24, 2012 07:14 AM (8DdAv)

225 Why?

Posted by: Helpful Pundit at January 24, 2012 11:02 AM (jiwQf)

 

He's a libertarian (hint, hint).

Posted by: JoAnne at January 24, 2012 07:17 AM (8DdAv)

226 We need some large-testicled woman to run!

Posted by: Payaso at January 24, 2012 07:27 AM (r5LTU)

227

They all should have said okay, then do whatever they wanted. Itwas their debate, afterall (sheeple).

----

It's Florida, Jake!

The ones that weren't asleep don't speak english anyway.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 07:29 AM (mf67L)

228

P.S. This stupid shit with the "unbroken strings" in the text editor is beyond retarded. How tough is it to program a decent text entry box? It shouldn't take more than a few hours ... a day at most to recode all of the functionality - and to recode it in a less-than-retarded way.

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Posted by: really ... at January 24, 2012 09:56 AM (X3lox)

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Okay people, until this gets fixed, try putting a couple of periods or some dashes after the quote and after the paragraph. Yes, this is both demo and example.

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...agree that this thread is just way too hard to read

 

Posted by: davisbr at January 24, 2012 07:29 AM (640ne)

229

puttinga = putting a

.

Hmm. "Puttinga" sounds kinda dirty, don't it ....

Posted by: davisbr at January 24, 2012 07:31 AM (640ne)

230 229 Chuck Norrisfor press secretary; there's a Whitehouse press corps only because Chuck Norris allows them to live.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 24, 2012 11:12 AM (6BgmB)

I am sorry, but when Chucky forced the Expendbles to become PG-13, or he would not be in the film... he lost his Awsome Aura...

Now, he's just another Actor... he killed his own Meme...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2012 07:32 AM (lZBBB)

231

You know one thing I haven't seen anyone evaluating this year in Florida - Who will the chads endorse?

Will they be hung, or just floating?

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 24, 2012 07:33 AM (mf67L)

232 If we're going to have a late entrant at the convention... Rick Perry! It's the year of the zombie, after all.

Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2012 07:47 AM (FcR7P)

233 140 Brokered convention --- better know as the Return of the Warcock, the Kingmaker --the night the cougars cried. Riding Davros' chair no doubt!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at January 24, 2012 07:48 AM (JNqU9)

234 85 I read somewhere that frigging Casey frigging Toomey are sitting together tonight. Do you think they'll bring each other wrist corsages with bees with googly eyes? Why is Toomey doing this in a Casey re-election year? (Is anyone else having problems with this site hogging up massive amounts of CPU? The site keeps crashing.) Posted by: jeannebodine at January 24, 2012 10:03 AM (byR8d) It's the CompuServe Ace has running in the background on the website. Ace there is a fix for that. Just google "CompuServe fix download 1985".

Posted by: Riding Through The Desert On A Sock With No Name at January 24, 2012 08:24 AM (0Qb1p)

235 Liz Chaney for President. 

Posted by: Cynthia at January 24, 2012 09:39 AM (lhhNH)

236 Instead of a small testicled man, how about we nominate the woman with bigger balls than all of the men combined? Hint: She eats, therefore she hunts.

Posted by: lonestar at January 24, 2012 11:14 AM (QxnNU)

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Posted by: How to Sharpen a Plane Blade at January 31, 2012 04:26 AM (mIhy6)

238 I assume you are using the term “Marxist” as hyperbole to emphasize your point, and it’s not meant to be factual, correct? Karl Marx would very much disagree with President Obama’s capitalist ways. Karl Rove's breaking new ground came within 100 votes of losing the election for Bush - both times. It created a President who did NOT have a popular mandate to govern, and put him into the history books as the worst Presidents in history, and set the stage for a black man to be elected, which is the worst thing possible from the Republicans point of view. I don't mean to be flippant but the vitriol spewing from the right these days is as sound as the juvenile statement above. Now, if any progressive or person of color brings up the fact that the lot of GOP candidates is racist. We get the, "they're playing the race card argument". The implication is that it is better not to bring up race, after all we wouldn't want people of color to adopt a victim's mentality. In the following 8 years, under Bush, not Obama, America ran it's first trillion dollar deficit. Two endless wars, tax cuts favoring the ultra wealthy and unpaid entitlement programs such as Medicare Part D were the primary culprits. Fiscal irresponsibility of the highest order by the republicans in taking a budget surplus to a trillion dollar deficit. Bush's last years, he left us with the worst economy since the Great Depression. Job losses of half a million or more per month. No job creation, just massive job losses. TARP. Think of September, 2008 when John McCain told us the economy and Wall Street were fine. His people called Americans "whiners" and it was just a mental recession. Ever wonder why the 8 GOP candidates never mention Bush in all their blathering? President Obama took the GOP disaster and has led America forward, although with GOP intransigence, much slower than all of us would like. Wall Street reform. Health reform that keeps kids covered, that keeps insurance companies from cutting sick folk off their paid for benefits. Saved millions of manufacturing jobs in the auto industry. Supports GOP ideas like cap and trade (McCain/Palin ran on it in 2008!), personal responsibility such as Newt and Mitt supported mandates, and other policies in a bipartisan fashion. But the GOP abandons their own ideas once he agrees to compromise. The GOP won the House in 2010 and promised JOBS JOBS JOBS. Nary a Jobs Bill in sight, but they voted on abortion 7 times. They vote on an existing national motto. That sure saved us, didn't it? But no help on jobs. We have much, much more work to dig out of this Second Great Republican Depression. We have gone from continuous months of half million job losses to 23 months of private sector job growth. Job growth of 200,000 per month versus Bush's astounding job loss record. Much more to go. Americans generally pay lower taxes now than ever before, especially the wealthiest Americans. As has been asked on other thread: when was the last time the ultra rich paid significantly lower taxes? Mitt paid 13% of his $42 million income. Again: when was the last time the ultra rich paid significantly lower taxes than they do now? I do not support Occupy. To link President Obama to communists and black panthers is a pathetic Fox fantasy. Nor do I support giving the car keys back to the political hacks that drove our economy into a ditch. Republicans almost killed the economy and the middle class a few short years ago. They have done and said NOTHING to "earn" the chance to destroy our country any further. So hide from facts and scare folks with the story of two jerks in Philly 3 years ago resurrecting the panthers. Your fear and lies don't play anymore. It's halftime, America. We have work to do. ;-)

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