June 28, 2012
— Ace Executive Director of the DNC Patrick Gaspard actually said that.
Screencap here, thanks to @slublog.
Another DNC tweet -- now deleted -- said "TAKE THAT MOTHER******S!"
That's on drudge. I don't know if the bowlderization was in the original, or who in the DNC wrote it.
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Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (r2PLg)
Anyone got a link that clearly explains what a clusterfuck this bill is and why is sucks?
Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (JxMoP)
And don't count on Republicans repealing this with reconciliation.
The only available option now is an article V convention.
After that I will not say.
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (YdQQY)
100 to 1
Black idiots walk out proves what? That they're stupid AND ignorant?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (CP+yl)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 07:26 AM (jucos)
They just don't realize it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (EtuU3)
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: polynikes at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (hdGdp)
Posted by: David at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (hG5pg)
HOw can the SC call it a tax when the Obama admin said that it wasn't a tax.
Fuck these double dealing douches. Fuck these rapacious public sector unions. Fuck those Dearborn MI muslim fucks, who will be given exemptions from Obama care. Fuck the low life bastards who don't work and live off the rest of us.
Posted by: Jack at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (wUFaM)
I want to say something, but it will get Ace in a whole heap of trouble so I won't.
Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (GQ8sn)
Anyone got a link that clearly explains what a clusterfuck this bill is and why is sucks?
Any site in the domain .eu?
Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (r2PLg)
The ones mouthing off will be fine. Their kids will get the same special care all Socialist Royalty get.
Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (FU9ql)
Posted by: El Kabong at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (5pjC0)
And now.....The Gloatening.
Very well.
Let them gloat.
I hope they do their worst.....show us how it's done....bitches.
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (0T8H7)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (oihrP)
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (aw5Tx)
It's called a republic. We have a constitution because certain political choices, even if supported by 100% of the nation, are not allowed. I hate that "if you don't like it, vote them out" argument. If that were true, then we would have a pure democracy with no need for a constitution. Under that view, if we vote in a theocracy, that's ok because it was democratic.
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (+usC4)
Anyone got a link that clearly explains what a clusterfuck this bill is and why is sucks?
You expect me to read the bill!?
Posted by: John Conyers at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (cUmUy)
Posted by: Deli LLama at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (uv9eO)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 11:28 AM (Xb3hu)
Not so much lately steevy.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (CP+yl)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (9TTOe)
I'm waiting for Plan C, which is when all heck breaks loose. I'm better armed and trained than my neighbors, I'll set up a dictatorship, rule Burtlandia from my front porch.
Mandate? The mandate is, all your wimmins are mine now.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (aw5Tx)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: SoCalMe at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (s72/N)
Posted by: Brian at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (wTSvK)
Socialism arrive in the USA in the 30s and was expanded in the 60s.
This is another step in nationalizing the medical industry. It is another huge step towards communism.
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (+4Ho1)
Posted by: John Boehner at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (cUmUy)
And most of us on here don't have a choice to make because we have insurance through our employers. So, do we just go along?
Posted by: The Hammer at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (4kwMn)
Posted by: El Kabong at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (5pjC0)
Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (RzLbD)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (+4Ho1)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Ruby at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (QAUe4)
Posted by: Win Some, Lose Some! But Mainly Lose. at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (uXvLX)
"Take that motherfuckers" is the perfect thing to say if you are a corrupt democrat.
Take that, rubes. TAX HIKE!
Posted by: Fresh at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (O7ksG)
Which in the end really is the crux of this situation, disparate treatment, no equality under the law. Sad.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (EtuU3)
Posted by: SoCalMe at June 28, 2012 11:30 AM (s72/N)
That's exactly what my husband called him this morning.
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (r2PLg)
http://tinyurl.com/dcpge
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (vSiVD)
P.S. Isn't this Romney's ideology as well?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (sSrfb)
it was.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2012 11:29 AM (aw5Tx)
No it wasn't. The actual bill was passed while they still had 60 votes in the Senate on Christmas eve. The "fix" which supposedly eliminated financing abortions (for the so-called blue dogs) and giving the unions a break on the taxes on Cadillac plans was done with reconciliation.
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (4YUWF)
the ACA individual mandate was NOT upheld! It waqs struck down and redefined as a TAX INCREASE.
The SCOTUS just affirmed that Obama and the Damnocrats LIED to us over and over, and violated process in passing this.
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at June 28, 2012 07:33 AM (9VSWS)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 07:33 AM (jucos)
One of the bloggers on the SCOTUS live blog is apparently writing something now.
They put in a brief on behalf of the AARP, so they must be thrilled.
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (oZfic)
I know because we had one. It was the way that my wife's non-profit made up for not paying private sector wages. Now that it is gone we are paying double or more for the same care.
Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (FU9ql)
Posted by: california red at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (xC7pk)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (nUH8H)
As Steyn said, if we want to keep the Republic, we need to take back the institutions--academia, Hollywood, the Fourth Estate, and the Permanent Bureaucracy.
Posted by: Hank Johnson at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (+XVQe)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (nUH8H)
They have won.
ObamaCare might still be overturned.
This ruling is forever.
From here on, the government can do anything and call it a tax.
This is the Roe vs Wade of our generation and Roe Vs Wade was nothing compared to what just happened today.
I know that this sounds despondent but the fact is that Left just won a victory more important than ObamaCare and is no way to reverse it.
And one of the justices that we were counting on just joined the other side.
Posted by: RayJ at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (pI/IV)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (136wp)
STEPHANOPOULOS: t's still a tax increase.
OBAMA: No. That's not true, George. The — for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I'm not covering all the costs.
Posted by: mallfly at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (QupBk)
Yar.
Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (jucos)
Posted by: DanInMN at June 28, 2012 07:36 AM (HQzCT)
I have to admit, I don't have a problem with the Left taking a victory lap since I was going to do it.
I will also freely admit that I never ever once considered that the mandate would be upheld as a tax.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 07:36 AM (VtjlW)
the industry—which at $2.7 trillion represents 17.9% of the nation's gross domestic product—has a clearer picture of what's in store.”
Youz a gonna get raped.
Posted by: Rape Kitty at June 28, 2012 07:36 AM (cUmUy)
even more from CJustice Roberts: "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (piMMO)
It won't be good, though Pat will win the governorship in NC.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (vSiVD)
Posted by: izoneguy at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (hbRed)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (5tiWJ)
What about....the Waivers.
Was the subject of all those Waivers to ObamaCare even brought up?
How can that possibly be constitutional? ....To grant waivers to a chosen few?
Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (0T8H7)
****
This
Posted by: willy at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (kUCQ4)
Posted by: Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (bwV72)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (Xb3hu)
Oh, for pete's sake. Of course they know they're in a fight. What YOU fail to recognize is that you don't win a war by doing what makes you feel good, you win it by being smart. Obnoxiousness in victory is an own goal. It costs you support you will need. Boehner was right. His manhood doesn't enter into it.
Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: PJ at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (DQHjw)
Through rationing. Sarah Palin's "Death Panels".
Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (FU9ql)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (oZfic)
Ok, what is your job? (refrained from calling him a Dickhead just now).
Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (N2yhW)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: chrissie matthews at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (nrW1y)
*****
But these are officials and leaders of the official organization doing it. Boehner had the class to advice otherwise.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 11:35 AM (+usC4)
That depends...are you white and rich?
If you are, well, it doesn't.
Posted by: Barakhenaten I at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (cUmUy)
Say,
If a young hipster's parent don't/can't put them on their policy, because they are paying the "tax", how are these OWS types going to pay their "tax"?
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (9VSWS)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (x8us2)
How could you not realize that the Obama Health Care Tax is a tax?
Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 07:39 AM (z9HTb)
How can the SC call it a tax when the Obama admin said that it wasn't a tax.
----
Because Barry doesn't know what the hell he's talking about?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: Paladin at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (YNPwP)
Posted by: Adc at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (JJJ5P)
PG 6:
It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.
Or: elections have consequences...bitches.
Posted by: sTevo at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (rV+9g)
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (aw5Tx)
individuals. Seems it's up to each state now and the fed gov't can't
force any state to go along.
Not sure what you're getting at. Could you explain?
Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (RD7QR)
Pointing out that I just tried to donate to Romney and his website has basically crashed. I suspect this is going to be an epic fundraising day.
Posted by: Jaydee77 at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (5YMB7)
The SCOTUS interprets the Constitution. They struck down the application to the Commerce Clause. Americans elected the folks who did this/allowed this to be done.
It starts there.
We have been too apathetic for far too long.
This should never have made it to the SCOTUS.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (zrpqj)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (WkuV6)
Seriously, the more I think about it, the more I think this ruling "proves too much." There's basically no limit on taxing based on "behavioral triggers."
So, what's to stop a Republican congress from taxing abortion doctors $10000 per procedure? Nothing in this ruling would. It wouldn't make abortion illegal under Roe v. Wade, it would just be a tax, right Justice Roberts?
Posted by: DanInMN at June 28, 2012 07:42 AM (HQzCT)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:42 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 07:42 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 07:42 AM (knMIa)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 28, 2012 07:42 AM (EtuU3)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:43 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 07:43 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Adc at June 28, 2012 07:43 AM (JJJ5P)
Posted by: Shel at June 28, 2012 07:44 AM (54BjZ)
Part one affirms Congress' choice not to call it a tax.
Part three says that because it can't be possible under the Commerce Clause and that "It is therefore necessary to turn to the Government’s alternative argument: that the mandate may be upheld as within Congress’s power to “lay and collect Taxes.” "
Because ! "Because “every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality,”
!!!
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 07:44 AM (famk3)
That is the nub. The Commerce Clause needs to be completely amended so that such a ridiculous interpretation can never again even be suggested. That still leaves the problem of this authorization to do anything by way of calling it a tax. I'm not sure how we solve that problem.
Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 07:44 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 07:44 AM (uff2W)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 28, 2012 07:45 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: rickl at June 28, 2012 07:45 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at June 28, 2012 07:45 AM (C2//T)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:45 AM (Xb3hu)
I didn't think so.
Posted by: schizoid at June 28, 2012 07:45 AM (RAWKi)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 11:43 AM (WkuV6)
I don't think they are. They won this decision and they will feel confident that their constituents will understand their no vote. It's smart to get them on record.
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (oZfic)
1. killing bin Laden with a spork.
2. the largest fucking tax increase the world has ever seen.
Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2012 11:41 AM (aw5Tx)
Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 passed after the actual Obamscam was passed. Its intent was to fix problems with the act that was already passed
It did the following
Increasing the tax credits to buy insuranceEliminates several of the special deals given to senators, such as Ben Nelson's "Cornhusker Kickback"
Lowers the penalty for not buying insurance from $750 to $695
Closes the Medicare Part D "donut hole" by 2020 and gives seniors a rebate of $250.
Delays the implementation on taxing "Cadillac health-care plans" until 2018 (more union payoff)
Requires doctors who treat Medicare patients be reimbursed at the full rate
Sets up a medicare tax on the unearned incomes of families that earn more than $250,000 annually.
Offer more generous subsidies to lower income groups. Households below 150% of the federal poverty level would pay 2% to 4% of their income on premiums. Health plans would cover 94% of the cost of benefits.[18] Households with incomes from 150% to 400% of the federal poverty level ($88,200 for a family of four) would pay on a sliding scale from 4% to 9.8% of their income on premiums, rest will be covered by government advanceable, refundable tax credit. Health plans would cover 70% of the cost of the benefits.[18][19]
In 2014, if a company with more than 50 workers does not offer coverage, they will be obligated to pay $2,000 for each full time worker in the company, exempting the money due for the first 30 employees. For example, an employer with 53 workers will pay the penalty for 23 workers, or $46,000.[18]
Would increase Medicaid payment rates to primary care doctors to match Medicare payment rates, which are higher, in 2013 and 2014.[18]
The federal government would pay all of the costs of expanding Medicaid under the reform until 2016, 95% in 2017, 94% in 2018, 93% in 2019, and 90% thereafter. Some states that already insure childless adults under Medicaid would receive more federal money for covering that group through 2018.
The Medicare patients will receive 50% discount on brand-name drugs would begin in 2011. By 2020, the government would pay to provide up to 75% discount on brand-name and generic drugs, eventually closing the coverage gap.[18]
Would extend the ban on lifetime limits and rescission of coverage to all existing health plans within six months after signing into Law.[
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (zrpqj)
We are their livestock, to be used as they see fit.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 11:42 AM (knMIa)
the dude who thinks 10 year old memes are new doesn't get twitter, never thought of that
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (C2//T)
---137---
Thats of course correct. The issue though is that you would then lose the tax shielding aspect of getting it through your employer. An oversight I can only imagine was on purpose.
Posted by: Jaydee77 at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (5YMB7)
Posted by: the Butcher at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (8g9qq)
Or, about what they would pay to ensure just two workers with spouses and children (aged 26 or younger).
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (/kI1Q)
"Wow. So, instead of raising a tax and letting the Government manage the tax revenue, OBama instead “raised a tax” and will allow PRIVATE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS to manage the tax revenue.
"Welcome to Fascism. The outsourcing of Federal Taxation to Private Industry is the biggest step backward this nation has taken in over a hundred years. Teddy Roosevelt would be twisting in his grave about now."
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (B/yDO)
*****
My self-insured employer started finding ways to get rid those of us with health issues about 6 months ago. It took a little while for the pattern to be apparent.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (d0Tfm)
Ok. Off to the search engines.
Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (UK9cE)
Folks, I ain't happy with the ruling either. But John Roberts just
1) set serious limits on the Commerce clause
2) redefined Obamacare as a huge tax on the middle class, and
3) energized the tea party as well as a lot of folks who don't consider themselves tea partiers.
None of those are bad things. It may not be what Roberts intended to do; but I'm pretty sure he understands what the effects of this ruling will be.
Nice finesse.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 28, 2012 07:47 AM (+ciOu)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 11:46 AM (zrpqj)
You do have the option NOT to watch.....well, for the moment you have the option.
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 07:48 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 07:48 AM (XYqoq)
Posted by: J. Gault at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (Nj0Fd)
Posted by: Admiral Painter at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (HNn1q)
The hits keep on coming...
Posted by: navybrat at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (LRY2r)
Ahhh... Philly cheese steak makes it all better.
Posted by: dananjcon at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (eavT+)
My self-insured employer started finding ways to get rid those of us with health issues about 6 months ago. It took a little while for the pattern to be apparent.
That's an ADA violation IIRC.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Win Some, Lose Some! But Mainly Lose. at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (AxE3L)
Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Drider at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (HaJD9)
I am reminded of Ben Franklin's admonition that we have a republic if we can keep it. Well, the verdict is in, Ben, we can't keep it. It's dead. Kiss it goodbye and weep for what was. This is the last nail in the coffin. We can flail around trying to repeal this stillbirth, but it won't do any good. Zimbabwe, here we come!
Posted by: SittingShiva at June 28, 2012 07:50 AM (by8hs)
Posted by: Dave S. at June 28, 2012 07:50 AM (WY3bD)
Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at June 28, 2012 07:51 AM (pUOpM)
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 07:51 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:51 AM (oZfic)
Oh please. They never stop advancing. They never stop crying and whining and lying, either. You are crazy if you think this somehow "satisfies" them. Know your enemy.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 07:51 AM (+4Ho1)
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at June 28, 2012 07:51 AM (pUOpM)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 07:52 AM (zrpqj)
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 07:52 AM (QupBk)
@182 "Don't like my ruling? Organize, educate, and activate. Congress can levy taxes, but they can also repeal them. The choice is back on you, American citizens. "
No, Roberts is a fool. This is supposed to be a fucking Republic - not a Democracy. That means we have fucking rules to protect ourselves from "too much Democracy."
Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 07:52 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 07:53 AM (piMMO)
Once the government takes a power, it never relinquishes it. We are all peasants now.
Our children will never know what its like to be free.
Romney will not repeal this. Republicans will not repeal it with even a super majority.
They'll all strive to "fix" it.
WE are so fucked...........
Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 07:54 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 07:54 AM (jucos)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 07:54 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Jeroboam at June 28, 2012 07:55 AM (Tcwdq)
The waivers. Ah the waivers that Obama granted.
If this is a tax, then those waivers are not worth the paper they were written on.
It would mean that the Executive could GRANT Bills of Attainder, which are expressly forbidden by the Constitution for Congress to pass.
So Obama's waivers are shit. I wonder how that will play out?
The SCOTUS just stabbed Obama in the back on that one. Savor that little victory.
It's a tax. Own it. Bitches.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at June 28, 2012 07:56 AM (RFeQD)
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Yep.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Not for unions. The deal was they won't get taxed on their Cadillac Plans
till 2016.
Posted by: Deli LLama at June 28, 2012 07:57 AM (uv9eO)
Mitt Romney....
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:57 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 07:59 AM (i330i)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 07:59 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Cricket at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: DRH at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (xFoDt)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (i330i)
Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (QI6D6)
Posted by: Win Some, Lose Some! But Mainly Lose. at June 28, 2012 08:02 AM (sv/s3)
Posted by: DRH at June 28, 2012 08:03 AM (xFoDt)
Posted by: Socratease at June 28, 2012 08:04 AM (tSohG)
Posted by: Drider at June 28, 2012 08:04 AM (HaJD9)
No, Roberts is a fool."
That's exactly damn right. The constitution, which he took an oath to uphold, is now dead letter. He just put it on his backyard grill and lit it up. Buh-Bye! Gone. Just like our republic.
It was nice knowin' you folks! I'm off to . . . uh . . . Zimbabwe, no, North Korea, no, . . . um . . . someone remind me, uh, where do we go now that the U.S. is a basketcase?
Posted by: SittingShiva at June 28, 2012 08:07 AM (by8hs)
It's a TAX, bitches.
You're all on record saying it's not. During a major recession, you're going to choke on the biggest tax increase in US history and die.
Good riddance.
Posted by: Furball at June 28, 2012 08:14 AM (RYuyQ)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 08:19 AM (i0App)
If it was constitutional they woudn't have had to change it to a tax.
Also since when do the Dems concern themselves with whether something is constitutional?
I am proud of the Republicans for not spiking the ball after the decision.
Posted by: SCOTUS at June 28, 2012 08:26 AM (VLifP)
The anger on the right should be directed at Kennedy, and those Republican senators who voted to confirm Sotomayor and Kagan.
Posted by: JWD at June 28, 2012 08:49 AM (y5bPZ)
Posted by: A Lynch at June 28, 2012 08:55 AM (iHEkj)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 11:37 AM (Xb3hu)
Yes, but now they don't need to actually call it a tax -- they can call it anything they want when passing it, and only if challenged will they have to argue that it within their taxing power.
Posted by: LASue at June 28, 2012 09:15 AM (pWeX5)
To the right, something is constitutional on its own merits, reason, and based on the founding fathers' writings and thoughts on the matter. How the court rules is irrelevant: if they rule differently than the constitution states, they're just wrong. If they rule properly, they're right. They don't decide constitutionality, only how the government perceives it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 09:18 AM (r4wIV)
Paying the fees for a HC plan is a tax. Paying the penalty is a tax. Supreme Court just said so.But heres the thing.No policy,No problem ,because the hospital and Now the Insurance companies CAN'T refuse to give me coverage till the end of time. That penalty is nothing compared to what a full year of health insurance will cost especially for single adults. Bring on the penalty boys, I got a ferrari to save up for.
Posted by: Rich K at June 28, 2012 09:42 AM (X4l3T)
Posted by: Rich K at June 28, 2012 09:44 AM (X4l3T)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 10:00 AM (r4wIV)
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Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (CP+yl)