1

Erik Erikson is a dumbass.

2

Oh, and foist!

 

3 no comment

4 The beatings will continue until morale improves.

5 Oh and fuck Hillbuzz. They were so hard in the tank for Shrillary that they are so butthurt (pun intended) the what they are putting up now is mostly second hand gossip. Wouldn't take them serious any more

6 jumping Jehoshaphat What are we, a bunch of superstitious fraidy cats?

7 "I have been ignoring bad polls for two weeks now."


Chicken-choking caption: "Day 13".


Coincidence?

8 I'm not sure what the self-appointed Sandals, Jamaica Fun Coordinator at HillBuzz would like me to do. Organize a limbo?


Your attention please. Doc will be serially sodomizing hairless boys under 16 on the Lido deck between 10 and 2.

9 "Your site is one of the few keeping me sane right now." ------------------- Dear Sir, We respectfully demand the release of the names and locations of the people who are being kept sane. They will face to criminal charges, but we'd like to interview them about their support for your site. Word up, It's the code word. Eric Holder.

10 My morale is up, thinking about the soon to occur ACE limbo moron meetup featuring our newest Romney supporter Jenna Jameson!

11 It's best to face facts. The polls show we are losing right now. It's close, but we are losing. So we have to fight smarter and harder. Especially smarter. I wish I knew what to do. Ignoring bad polls and screaming "Obama is a marxist traitor" probably won't help. It will feel good to do that, though. At least until the day after the election.

12 http://tinyurl.com/8do3dhn

New Fox article claims they have a source on the ground in Libya directly contradicting admin spin.

We need to push this hard.

13 How about everyone shutting the fuck up and getting back to the important job of getting rid of Obama. This includes you too, Ace. Shut the fuck up. Ignore it.

14 If you start off your piece by saying 'If the election were held today, Obama would win' (E. Ericson I'm looking at you), you're probably not doing it right with less than 50 days to go.

I've given up reading HA because I'm convinced they just want the traffic. It seems every day there's one ridiculous poll posted after another.

I don't think you do this. At least not on a regular basis. I think it was just that one day of doom and gloom. Maybe I'm not remembering right but that's why I'm skimming here and reading no other websites at this point.

I don't need fake rosy sunshine sugarcoated bullshit. But I also don't prefer hyperventilation. That's all I'm seeing from the pundits. And I think this is why most people are frustrated. A lot of people are out busting their ass this election and it doesn't help to read 'well you know we're down by 10 points in X state right?' Rather than link the bad poll, why not put the flipping context in there that they oversampled Dems by X points?

Did I mention I've had my fill of pundits?

15

one thing I think they do have right is the number of otherwise nice people who believe everything they hear over and over on tv, and contribute to potential voter suppression by repeating it as if it's real.

 

It is crucial for the O-bots to get vast turnout of low-info sheep (including dead ones) out to vote early and often, and equally crucial to give as many reasons as possible for potential non-O votes to stay home.

 

 

16 I'm not entirely sure where this individual at Hillbuzz got the idea that AoS has been concerned.


>.> I don't post terribly often but I lurk daily.  I seem to recall most of the posts, coblogger or otherwise, being more along the lines of quit with the bitchin', return to the kitchen, the kitchen being donating and volunteering to the Kick-Obama's-Ass campaign.


It's gonna be a long couple of months.

17

new RedState headline:  "THE PAUL RYAN FACTOR: OBAMA CAMPAIGN IN TEARS"

18
"Um, where are these demoralizing posts of mine, exactly?"

Does this blog have something called an archive?

19 A little too much time spent cruising (pun intended) conservative blogs and not enough time debunking BS polls, MFM disinformation and out and out lies by Kos etc. I find Hillbuzz at times entertaining but if they want to go all LGF they might as well stick to safe sex practices.

20 So who has to fight this guy from Hillbuzz? The book, "How to Win Bloggers and Influence Flamewars," is pretty clear that it has to be Gabe. It wouldn't be fair to sick Laura on him.

21

Ras showing high enthusiasm for the Dems. I find this puzzling? The economy is in the toilet and Obama put it there.

If it's true certainly it is something to be concerned about. I also feel strongly that Obama has lost most or all of the indpendent vote. So bascially - it's the R's who need to show up and vote in this election.

 

Romney needs better ads. I also think Romney should fire the idiot who is in control of his ads.

 

try this-

If this nation wants economic stagnation, economic insecurity, high unemployment, and continued economic lethargy, vote for Obama.

If this nation wants high energy prices, with the promise of green technology unfulfilled, vote for Obama.

If this nation wants continued government cronyism and a total lack of transparency, vote for Obama.

If this nation wants more tax dollars thrown away, vote for Obama.

If this nation wants to kick the can down the road when it comes to entitlements, vote for Obama.

If this nation wants a more complicated and punitive tax code that increasingly helps grow an unaccountable government and shrink small and medium sized businesses, vote for Obama.

22 I miss "DOOM"

23

 

Ace,

There is a Propaganda War going on right now.

The polls have been compromised.

 

What else can you take away from it....when the Candidate in Power, has directed his government to persecute the oldest, most respected Polling company in the country...Gallup.

 

"Crucify" one of them...to make an example out of them.

That has been Barky's modis operandi, all along.

 

So I think that we need to take the polling results with a grain of salt.

Even when they show things that we like.

 

Stay frosty, like we did in 2010...keep hammering them, right up till the election.

It's all we can do.

 

24 Pulls head out of sand...ACE!!!!  SHHHHSSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!...head back in sand.

25 A little bit of DOOM is a good thing. It acts as a necessary counter-balance to the Pollyanna who declare the election is already in the bag for Romney and we should all kick back with the popcorn. Expressing concern that our side is screwing up, and pointing out that the other side might win if things continue is not being an "Eeyore." That last thing we need is to spend all our time in an echo chamber and go off about how awesome our side is.

26 So. HillBuzz is monitoring AoSHQ. From reading their post, it looks like monitoring, not supervising. They have a point about "Doom", but I think it is really a general point. The D's really do seem to be spending some time on depressing the vote turnout by assuring everyone that Teh JEF has already won. I don't see much "Doom" here (with apologies to K.), but there are a lot of poll threads, and not quite enough dissection. And sometimes, in yesterday's Joe Scarborough event, the best response is a good roasting, like in the old days. Make Joe a dark roast blend ... it's good for those International Coffee moments ...

27 Just keep taking your meds and everything will be OK.

28 Pretty much every pollster, including Rasmussen is factoring in a 2008 style turnout model. The only thing keeping this close is that Romney enjoys a double digit lead with Independents in most polls. Now assuming this will look more like 2004 and less like 2008, this means that every pollster is underestimating Romney's support by 5 or 6 points. As pollsters hate being wrong on election day expect their samples to tighten up and become less biased. This means a polling surge to Romney in the final week. Also. Obama has clearly peaked. The economy sucks and the world is going to shit. This election is already over. Romney has it in the bag.

29 BTW if you think Romney's campaign sucks, do something constructive:

http://www.mittromney.com/forms/suggestions

30 13   It's best to face facts. The polls show we are losing right now. It's close, but we are losing. So we have to fight smarter and harder. Especially smarter.

I wish I knew what to do. Ignoring bad polls and screaming "Obama is a marxist traitor" probably won't help. It will feel good to do that, though. At least until the day after the election.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 17, 2012 02:06 PM (ZPrif)

Bullshit.  We're ahead by 2-4 points.  We may gain something if we run sensibly like the Democrat fantasy life of 2012 exceeding 2008's turnout but given how prone many are on our side to panic I'm not sure what would be gained.

http://battlegroundwatch.com/

You run the math on these goddamned polls with internals and you see.  They are gaming the hell out of the samples oversampling Republican women, and overepping singles.  I am afraid of reality when it's real, not too afraid of reality when it's as fake as a kardasian's tits.

31 #13 to which "facts" do you refer?  

32 what the fuck is Hillbuzz?

33 We should put in Tebow.

34 Ace: I won't say you put out "Doom Reports," but I can easily understand why HillBuzz would see your posting of the Ben Steyn article as just that. Steyn said that Obama will, no doubt, win the election, and nowhere did you contradict that. You could have said something like, "Here's one point of view and I don't endorse or deny it," but by putting it out there without comment, you seemed to endorse it.

35

OT, but saw this on Drudge:

 

http://www.bailoutcost.com/

 

36

Optimism and confidence are important. Don't underestimate.

Romney needs our confidence. 4 more years of obama and the idea of leftwinger Hillary next is too depressing.

 

37 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

38 OBAMA IS GONNA LOSE, SUCKA

39 Yeah.. that guy's assessment is way off-base, IMHO.

While I think the co-bloggers report more of the outrageously bad poll numbers than you do, Ace. 

So, I think you guys do a pretty good balance.  Cocoon a bit if you like.. most of it is all bullshit anyway.. especially D+10 swing state polls!

It is still nowhere near as bad as the "Obama is Winning!!!1" meme Daily Kos and others are grinding out 24/7.  (They had one this morning listing how much better off we are now economically! Un-Fucking-Believable)

40

I don't believe that Romney should be expected to to have won the election two months out, or fired all of his message ammo by now, leaving only reinforcing the message for the rest of the compaign.  He doesn't need to be hammer and tongs at Obama the whole time, there is a time and surrigates for that.  Btw, where's Sununu? He was great.

That being said, relentless attacks by the leftwing media and pollsters on how bad Romney is supposed to be doing is creating the atmosphere that this blog is discussing. 

I still think it is all an effort to defy gravity and Obama will start plummeting to earth at some point.

Remember they kept trying to convince everyone that Carter was way ahead and Reagan was a nuke happy monster.  Reagan never had to get negative and nasty the way some are arguing Romney to get, in order for him to win bigly.

41 #32 This.

42 I never fully understood why it matters if someone thinks we're 3 points up, and I think we're 3 points down. This is less static than people would have you believe, first off. More importantly, what is it that we are going to do differently with polling that suggests we are slightly ahead that we wouldn't if we were slightly down? I'm still voting either way. I'm still trying to talk to friends and family that are fencesitters. I'm donating what I can. Nothing changes. No matter what, we press on until the very end, right?

43 It's a bum rap on you, Ace.

One thing we need -- and we need it more by the day -- is honest appraisals of what's happening. Not all that rah-rah "Rmoney's Gonna Win!!11!!" shit (much too much of that going around for my taste), or the Eeyore-ish drivel Allahpander puts up to drive linkage.

What we abso-friggin'-lutely DO. NOT. WANT. is the inside-baseball crap being dished out at sites where the bloggers think they have the Straight Dope. Same goes for the wishy-washy "fairness" pap being drooled out by Poppin' Fresh and some of the yuppie scum at NRO.

Yeah, there are things you write that I wish you wouldn't bother posting, and vice versa. But I'll go with the percentages, and you're gold.

Fuck Holebuzz. And fuck anyone whose agenda is not to get Choom Boy out of office and make his life before and after a living hell. The treasonous fuckwit deserves no less.

44 We ignored bad polls in 2008. How'd that work out? I remember everybody saying that the polls overstated Obama's popularity because Americans were afraid to tell the young liberals on the phone that -- no, they won't vote for the first black president in American history -- out of fear of being judged as racist. Turns out the polls were accurate and McCain got crushed. He didn't lose a close. McCain got fucking destroyed, just like the polls said he was going to. If the polls say we are losing then that means we need to do more. Time spent arguing about the polls is wasted time.

45 In 51 days we dip our balls.

46 "I'm a big fan of happy endings" - Ace Seems like you found the solution to the fapping issue...

47 Ras is still D+2 baseline.  That link I gave is the guy who is mapping the bias on graphs.

Have a look.

48 Shitting yourself for three days straight that Akin had cost the GOP the election wasn't expressing concern it was premature surrendering especially when the biggest shitters weren't offering solutions. Luckily it cleared up in time for the conventions.

49
About Hillbuzz Kevin DuJan

HillBuzz.org began as a small Hillary Clinton presidential campaign volunteer site...

Once a lifelong Democrat loyalist, he broke with the party permanently on May 31st, 2008, the day the Democrat Rules & Bylaws Committee stole delegates from Hillary Clinton and awarded them to Obama...




Hillbuzz: Republican as F**K -- until Hillary gets the Nomination

50 Does he want us to wear rose-tinted glasses as well?

51 34 what the fuck is Hillbuzz? Posted by: bannor, voting Mittens and the Math Witch at September 17, 2012 02:10 PM (HEa5q) I think it's that site that was founded to support hillary in her race against BO. That didn't turn out so well for them and lately hillary hasn't been so popular but I guess they kept their site with title going anyway since they probably figure the "hill" in "hillbuzz" could also refer to "the actual hill". I bet they think now they were clever in picking that title.

52 I wouldn't mind an entire post dedicated to raking Scarborough over the coals, no.   In fact, I might be quite pleased with such a posting.



Hell, I might even be tickled pink.

53

Um, where are these demoralizing posts of mine, exactly? Or of the cobloggers?

 

Perhaps he is  referring to the blog  stylings of humorless prig DrewM.  He's done some important work in making the perfect the enemy of M.  Romney.

54 "There are going to be dips and peaks"

In this Country, at least now, there are more dips than ever.

55 52 Does he want us to wear rose-tinted glasses as well? Posted by: Penfold at September 17, 2012 02:13 PM (1PeEC) That would be FABULOUS!

56 "But I've also noted that in any contest, the other team gets the ball too, and sometimes they score. And this is not a reason for the fans to start screaming "Fire the coach!" or "Put in the second-string quarterback!"" Clearly, you have never lived in Alabama.

57 call me after the first debate

58 To be fair, aren't they kind of reverse concern trolls, or bizarro concern trolls?

59 No ace,you and the cobs have been doing a good job.I wont call it "cocooning" because the cobs and you have not pretended the polls don't exist but you have debunked them.This truly is an operation by the left to demoralize us(the trolls confirm it ).

60 Ace, sorry don't agree with , especially Allaypundit, that guy's ridiculous , some times I think he's a democrat operative . every poll that shows Obama a bit a head he does a whole post on it, and every left wing talking point the same. If what you say is true then why does Huffington Poat work so well, they get millions of viewers, their headlines are all made to make Obama/ democrats look good, and republicans bad. Huffington buries all it's bad news, and good news for republicans are put in their spin cycle and become bad news So it's helped them motivate their base, independents that look at their site, leave thinking republicans going to lose the white house, senate , and congress. They know it's a game of not giving people the news , but how to manipulate the news to fit your agenda, and it looks like it ani't hurting democtas.

61 In terms of statistics, the polling has been consistent. I'm not saying it's accurate, just that it hasn't been volatile. Each candidate has had their top numbers within the margin of error from the average. For now, turnout will be key, based on the fact that neither candidate is trending to be above 50%.

62 Speaking of DOOM! Bring back Monty!

63

Ace you must have missed DrewM's posts but of course he's just calling it like he sees it according to him.

64 EEYORES !!!!!!!!!!! x !11!1

65

One of the things that's truly annoying about political movements is the large number of people who don't really have particularly interesting minds, and don't write particularly interesting things. So they appoint themselves to a position long held by uninteresting people: Morale Officer. And, like Morale Officers throughout time (the US had them in military; the Soviet Union had them for civilians) they don't actually do much to improve Morale; they just insist it should be better, and if you are not Regulation Cheerful, you are a Malcontent and must be Disciplined.

You don't have to be so damn mean to Neelix.

66 "...they don't actually do much to improve Morale."

Obama will continue to destroy this Country until Morale improves.

67 I think Hillbuzz' complain is valid, certainly for Eric Erickson, and some of the stuff AP posts. There is a fine line between lying to ourselves about the polls, telling ourselves that it's the Bradley Effect and then getting beat like in 2008. On the other side is going too Eeyore, taking polls that are spun and letting them get us into a funk.

68 The fracking polls mean nothing until about 10 days before the election.

69 Hillbuzz is mainly useful for unsubstantiated rumors about who is gay as reported by friends who totally know a guy who once worked as a caterer for the Austrian embassy and totally saw Obama blow a guy in the men's bathroom. That and recommendations for the best non-irritating anal bleaches.

70 I don't pay attention to anything except for the cheerleader pictures, cute puppy videos, explosions, and discussions of rhubarb pies & other pies and pie-associated things. It is because I already know that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. And he's a shit-festered anti-American, anti-Constitution goose-stepping dimwit. So I have already chosen not to vote for the bastard child of a communist whore. Therefore, I have plenty of time to read pleasant material, like discussions about spaceships, guns, boobs, and Kirkegaard vs. Hobbes. You know, just stuff. I ain't getting depressed from anything posted here. Like I said, already chose.

71 46: Yes, the Bradley Effect is and always was a load of horseshit. Bradley didn't lose because people were racist. He lost because he endorsed the draconian gun control measure on the ballot in 1982, and it became front and center toward the end of the campaign. However, this election is not the same as 2008. Then, polls showed McCain WAY down and Republicans were trying to rationalize--and, actually, his final showing was "only" a loss by 7 points. This election, seriously skewed polls show Mitt Romney only a few points back.

72 Seems to me the libtards are accomplishing their mission to stop us from voting with this post, c'mon ace you should have put a post telling that cocksucker to go fuck himself.

73 I'm listening to Rush. It's a good one today.

74

I think Ed over at Hot Air deals with it well.  He posts the polls that are out there and when possible gets into the down and dirty of the poll data.  He exposes suspicious twisting of data and over-sampling where it exists, and compares that data to actual historical sampling data.  So when you see a poll showing Romney down two in whatever state (where Obama won by 8 in 200 , but they polled registered voters (who historically sample slanted Dem) with a +9 Democratic sample (when whatever state actually had a +4 Dem result even in Obama Zombie 200 the reader can use their brain to adjust what that poll actually says.

Now you may make the point that the average idiot just reads headlines and gets swayed by the propaganda that the cheating MSM provides.  Then you are either arguing we ignore what the media does by not addressing it, or engage in progaganda of our own.  I can't agree with either of these.

Also, there is place for optimism where it is justified, but also a place for pessimism where it is justified.  And different types of people are motivated by both.  When I see a big problem growing bigger, it makes me double down on how hard I'm willing to work to fix it.

75 "I'm a big fan of happy endings."

Just not self-induced ones during the month of September...

76 meaning DrewM says he's only calling it like he see's it. 

77 I think the article is just out of frustration......people are just fed the hell up with bald faced LIES being spouted out at every turn. I think the Rice BS over the weekend was the cherry on the shit sundae. Regular folks are sick to death of the ol Piss on my leg and tell me it's raining crap. To be fair.. a great many "ordinary" people are sick of the "all is lost" crap and wonder WTF? Let's fight for this country because it actually MEANS something! So when lurkers and such read a blog that they, on most occasions, find to be energizing....and that blogger is bemoaning the latest poll....well it ends up suppressing the energizing effect it once had. Honestly, I think that's all it is...a little steam venting

78 This election is already over. Romney has it in the bag. Posted by: Bill Mitchell
...........
No, he doesn't have it in the bag.. that is the point (if misdirected) of these criticisms.

If the GOP gets depressed they won't turn out in the numbers necessary to get Romny the win.

This election is 100% about turnout.. the Dems and Obama are trying very hard to
1. Increase their base - war on women - racist!, etc..
2. Demoralize the GOP base and moderates.

79 Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Romney beating TFG in Florida and Virginia. Fuck the phony media and pollsters. To paraphrase The Who, "put in your earplugs, put on your eyeshades, you know where to put the cork (up TFG's pie-hole).

80 65 Ace you must have missed DrewM's posts but of course he's just calling it like he sees it according to him. Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2012 02:15 PM (m2CN7) That was the first thing that popped into my head. Him and Gabe. I'm not sure how horrible their assorted articles were but if I recall they certainly sparked conversation.

81 I rather like hearing different points of view on why we might win or lose. btw, Obama will lose because "Obama sucks" and "everyone hates Obama" are not sound reasons backing up your assertion.

82

Faux Obama on Rush blaming youtube film maker for the recession.

lol.

83  Ace organizes a Limbo contest.  Many morons and ettes compete on Day 13 of Domain Management.  Ace wins, clearing the bar at 2 feet.  Kate Harrington enters the room,  Ace repeats his 2 foot winning limbo with the bar set at 3' 4 ".  Erik Ericson notes that Ace has skewed the 'pole'.

84 "I'm a big fan of happy endings."
....
Me too!

85 Hillbuzz is wrong, we should definitely have more "Obama is unbeatable-here comes civil war 2.0" posts.

86 Shorter HillBuzz:  If you just close your eyes and think happy happy positive thoughts, everything you want to happen will come true.  Just like in those shows you watched when you were six years old.

So stop saying any bad meanie things and sing a happy song with your mermaid friend instead.

87 I don't come to AoS because I desire to be in a bad mood. Would the Blogstapo over at KillBuzz allow me to post THIS without ridiculing me for being off-topic?-- In Austin, TX a mother listened to her 16-year old deceased son's heart beating in a woman who received it as a donated organ. Story at Daily Mail. VERY uplifting.......as is AoS.

88 I don't need fake rosy sunshine sugarcoated bullshit. But I also don't prefer hyperventilation. That's all I'm seeing from the pundits. Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 17, 2012 02:07 PM (pLTLS) I'd rather assume things are going wrong, and be motivated to change that, than to things are all spiffy and we should all sit back with the popcorn for the eleventy zillion to zero electoral college outcome...

89

Ace has been pretty consisitent in mocking the shitty Dem leaning polls. I don't think he has beeen Eeyorish.

Hot Gas... EEYORE x eleventy

 

90 OT, but things are quieting down in Islamic countries: @kirstenpowers10 American consulate in Pakistan under siege, one rioter killed « Hot Air

91 I'm volunteering down at the local GOP HQ this afternoon. I'll do whatever I can. In an indirect way, this blog was the catalyst for that. In other words my wife said to put down the tablet, get off your ass and actually do something for Christ's sake. So there's that.

92 >>>Shitting yourself for three days straight that Akin had cost the GOP the election wasn't expressing concern it was premature surrendering especially when the biggest shitters weren't offering solutions. Luckily it cleared up in time for the conventions. right, because there's no way another Republican could step in and win that race. No, you're the Hero for supporting the Loser, and encouraging him to Lose. Selfish.

93 Posted by: Panhandler
..........
I'm sorry.. but there is way the fuck too much imagery right there.

94

This wouldn't be happening if Ace was routinely  flogging his little Ewok to the nastiest, most corrosive German pr0n he could find.

 

Just sayin'.

95 No bad news!  Only victorythink. 

96 76 Posted by: Fresh at September 17, 2012 02:16 PM (O7ksG) Yes, Rush is spot on. All this "we're losing" shit is a giant lie, meant to dispirit and demoralize and turn people away from Romney. The world's biggest "SQUIRREL!!!!"

97 46  We ignored bad polls in 2008. How'd that work out?

I remember everybody saying that the polls overstated Obama's popularity because Americans were afraid to tell the young liberals on the phone that -- no, they won't vote for the first black president in American history -- out of fear of being judged as racist.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 17, 2012 02:12 PM (ZPrif)

McCain didn't lose because the polls were honest McCain lost because he wanted to lose he refused to call Obama out on his vacuous nature, and he fucking suspended the campaign twice.  You make it clear you do not want the job you don't get it.  Next time the donkey ass motherfuckers decide to use your Veep as a stress toy defend her.
46
Turns out the polls were accurate and McCain got crushed. He didn't lose a close. McCain got fucking destroyed, just like the polls said he was going to. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 17, 2012 02:12 PM (ZPrif)

Turns out that having reagan's junior speech botch hit your Veep along witgh frum, Brooks, Sully et al didn't work out.  Ogabe didn't surge in the polls 'til after the economic timebomb went off and Juan quit.  Mitt won't quit.
46
If the polls say we are losing then that means we need to do more. Time spent arguing about the polls is wasted time.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 17, 2012 02:12 PM (ZPrif)

You want to know what a waste of time is?  Adding your voice to a media with an overtly expressed preference for the other candidate.  You may not have noticed Obaama just had reality blow up in his face two weeks fucking straight.  The most accurate pollster out there show Romney gaining momentum indexed to normal patterns.

Let's drop everything and run around like chickens with our heads cut off.  You are adding your voice to Joe fucking Scardouche you business.  I'll keep donating money and using word of mouth.

The choice is clear and gettingmore so.  The left will do everything in their power to make us act as they wish.  The stupid goddamned motherfucking CBS/NYT poll was D+fucking 13 you want to slash your wrists I'll buy you a razor....I'd much rather get back to fucking work evidently "reelecting Romney" to hear the media and goddamned Obama tell it.

Have a day,
sven

98 >>>Ace you must have missed DrewM's posts but of course he's just calling it like he sees it according to him. some of the news out there might actually be bad, you know.

99 Off, damned sock!

100 ""It is because I already know that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. And he's a shit-festered anti-American, anti-Constitution goose-stepping dimwit""



You forgot to add muslim marxist cockholster.

101 So, Rush is basically opining that the Mohammed youtube vid was made by the administration...that the filmmaker is a campaign aide...I dunno...I wouldn't put it past the left from doing crap like this, but I just don't see the evidence for this.

102 101 >>>Ace you must have missed DrewM's posts but of course he's just calling it like he sees it according to him. some of the news out there might actually be bad, you know. Posted by: ace at September 17, 2012 02:20 PM (fxHyG) I dismiss reality and substitute it with the one where Christina Hendricks is my love slave...

103 With regards to Akin, it's hard to not do a bit of yelling when someone on your team basically runs the ball back to his own red zone, waits to be tackled, then insists on staying in 'cause he's got this thing in the bag.

104 For a "Caesarist" blog, there sure are a lot of Eeyore's here.

105 some of the news out there might actually be bad, you know. Poppydash! Just more Democrat propaganda. brb, stickin my head in sand

106 This election is already over. Romney has it in the bag.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell
...........
No, he doesn't have it in the bag.. that is the point (if misdirected) of these criticisms.

If the GOP gets depressed they won't turn out in the numbers necessary to get Romny the win.

This election is 100% about turnout.. the Dems and Obama are trying very hard to
1. Increase their base - war on women - racist!, etc..
2. Demoralize the GOP base and moderates.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 17, 2012 02:17 PM (f9c2L)

 

 

It is going to be a lot harder to get the Dem base to show up than it is to Demoralize the conservative side. Trust me us Cons are motivated. Barry "I am Sorry" Obumbles has done that.

Mock him endlessly

 

107 >>some of the news out there might actually be bad, you know. >> On the moon, As long as you're breathing it is all good news. Come and join us.

108 107 For a "Caesarist" blog, there sure are a lot of Eeyore's here. Posted by: @PurpAv at September 17, 2012 02:22 PM (NWRs2) Yea, we need more "Winnie The Pooh"s

109

The polls don't show shit (well, maybe they do at HillBuzz --- ba-dum-dump).

There have not been any accurate cross-tabbed likely voter polls put out in the last 2 weeks.  Anything that does get close to a reasonable breakdown shows Romney leading.  That's not good for mobilizing Zero supporters, so out goes any sort of honest voter breakdown

110 I am a little concerned that I have hardly heard from Romney

111

Yeah, I don't buy it for a second lumping you in with Erik Erikson and Allah.  Allah really is an eeyore, and sometimes his posts piss me off when he's crying about some made up bad news that spells doom for Republicans.  I don't read Red State often, but Erikson seems to be one of the guys crying that Romney isn't conservative enough (he isn't) and that "true conservatives" should just give up now because we're screwed either way (we shouldn't).

 

In any event, ace, you're nothing like those guys.  For one thing, you're actually funny.  I think you nailed it from the start: concern troll being all concerned.

112 110 >>some of the news out there might actually be bad, you know. >> On the moon, As long as you're breathing it is all good news. Come and join us. Posted by: Manuel Garcia O'Kelly-Davis at September 17, 2012 02:23 PM (bwV72) Which moon, you're pretty non-specific. Earth's satellite, Europa, Titan or Phobos?

113 107 For a "Caesarist" blog, there sure are a lot of Eeyore's here. Posted by: @PurpAv at September 17, 2012 02:22 PM (NWRs2) Theres room for a little bit of Eeyore in the Hundred Acre Wood.

114 OT protestors in Jakarta shouting "fuck America" ... yep it's calming down

115 The Morale Officer may have some use (opinions vary), but he's not out there actually on the field, is he?

No, he's a REMF.

Smart. Mil. Blog.

116

"some of the news out there might actually be bad, you know.

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2012 02:20 PM (fxHyG) "

 

_____

 

But telling us about it makes you liable for Mitt Romney's loss!

 

If Mitt Romney loses, it is ace's fault for telling us about bad polls.

 

Sheer insanity, HillBuzz.  Insanity.    Days like today, I     see the carvings Breitbart left on society  begin to  weather and fade.

117 Posted by: Hidajunshin
.........
No.. but the vid was already out there doing nothing.

If Axelrod's shit stirrers wanted some action all they needed to do was point Islamic news media to it.

However.. predicting a reaction to something like that seems awfully iffy to me..

118 I told a young Trooper once when he asked "Drill Sgt. what do we do when there are more of them than us attacking our position"? I told him to keep fighting!

119 116 107 For a "Caesarist" blog, there sure are a lot of Eeyore's here. Posted by: @PurpAv at September 17, 2012 02:22 PM (NWRs2) Theres room for a little bit of Eeyore in the Hundred Acre Wood. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 17, 2012 02:24 PM (9TTOe) Sorry, Eeyore's are an invasive species. We will have to kill them off. Everyone out of the woods...

120 Thank you Ace, and ignore the naysayers.  Which ironically is what Hillbuzz is, by criticizing people on the same team.  That's equally mor more harmful than the onslaught from Zero and the Obedia.

I'd like to see a big attention-getting action, a game changer of sorts.  Right now we have surrogates going out one or two at a time, and they are drowned out by the MSM.  We need something different and unexpected to break through. Perhaps a joint appearance/ad by a horde of prominent sane people (former military, political, entertainment, media - anyone recognizable).  A show of force that visually and verbally conveys that we are the majority, united in support of American principles.  Normally many of us don't get involved in politics, but the crises on multiple fronts is so dangerous it requires it now.  There is only one path to economic recovery, employment turnaround, protection of freedoms and national security, etc. 

And, can't Rove or somebody get a discussion of O's loyalties going, somehow?  Someone prominent needs to start openly questioning his commitment to Americans, our culture, the constitution.  Sure the MSM will scream, but let's get people talking about it.  Is Obama incompetent or is he implementing a hidden agenda.

121 >>>Ace you must have missed DrewM's posts but of course he's just calling it like he sees it according to him.

some of the news out there might actually be bad, you know.

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2012 02:20 PM (fxHyG)

 

Bad according to who? That's the point.  We can't assist the libs in spinning every step as bad news.  Legitimate bad news we have to spin as not so bad, insignificant news we have to spin as good, and good news we have to spin as excellent, gives me a boner news.  That is unless you want to be the non biased reporter that DrewM thinks himself to be.  Either you're a partisan blogger or not. 

I have no problem and admire people who truly try to blog with no bias but you have to make a choice.  Either your a partisan blogger or not.

122 OK so you post the Ben Stein "It's over, we're gonna die" editorial and then say you don't post negative stuff, ok....

123 The only good that comes from posting about polls is when the demographics are available so that we can see how    politically weighted any given poll is.   Is it +10% Dems?     More?    Less?      Are they likely voters, registered voters, or adults?   Without that information,    poll data is,    IMHO, pretty useless.    I check out Ras because he seems to be the most even-handed;   I ignore PPP completely.     That's all you can do.

124 Yeah, I think the hillbuzz doom report is doomy in itself and counterproductive. 

Nevertheless, its not the people they called out or them that is the problem, its the left wing media industrial complex (tm).  It must be destroyed, people must mock them, laugh at them, point out their Pravda reporting.

125

OT

accientally found Blaze TV today (Dish 212). Laughed my ass off at the morning show, and now Glen Beck is on for the next several hours.

Way better than FOX for background ambiance.

126 But it was still that nasty film,right? Fox reports. An intelligence source on the ground in Libya told Fox News that there was no demonstration outside the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi prior to last week’s attack — challenging the Obama administration’s claims that the assault grew out of a “spontaneous” protest against an anti-Islam film. The intelligence source said no protests were happening before the attackers struck at about 9:35 p.m. local time last Tuesday. The account backs up claims by a purported Libyan security guard who told McClatchy Newspapers late last week that the area was quiet before the attack. “There wasn’t a single ant outside,” the unnamed guard, who was being treated in a hospital, said in the interview. These details appear to conflict with accounts from the Obama administration that the attack spawned from an out-of-control protest. The Libyan president also said Sunday that the strike was planned in advance.

127

 Does HillBuzz still have that piece up...about how "Abassador Stevens was Gay"?

Or have they taken that one down.

 

I went to HillBuzz the other day....for the first time, ever....just to read that article for myself.

It was rather compelling, with old photos of Stevens, and first-hand accounts from some people who apparently knew him.

 

The only reason why that is important....is, if it is true....it means that Barky and Hillary put that poor guy into danger.

It was monumentally stupid.

Weapons Grade Stupid, really.

 

To put a Gay Ambassador, into an islamic country in turmoil...is like putting out a sacrificial lamb for slaughter.  

As well as putting all those around him in danger too.

 

 

 

128 There's a lot of "Freeping" going on. This is a tactic used by Free Republic in jumping on internet unscientific polls (which mean nothing at all). Just Freep the polls. Look, that's a harmless pastime but don't kid yourself, that's for catharsis only. It moves no needles. But this idea of "Freeping" the polls has been extended to Freeping EVERYTHING, this sort of gay-ass idiotic EVERYTHING IS AWESOME relentless messaging, with its gay-ass Morale Officer enforcers. I try to keep it light. I think I keep it too light. here in the comments, I'll confess: I think, at this moment, Romney is behind. But then I still cling to my basic analysis: Elections are driven by facts on the ground and we know the facts and they are not good for Obama. He can win a news cycle or two, but he can't change the facts on the ground. But is Romney behind right now? Yes, I think he is. Notice I didn't say this in a post. But if we're cutting the bullshit, yes, I think he's behind. *Right now.* But it's just asinine, this relentless Freeping of every goddamn thing. "Don't say what you believe; REPEAT MY FAVORED COLLECTIVE-APPROVED HAPPYTIME MESSAGE!!!!" There is something to be said for that as the campaign progresses. I have always been straight up about admitting I do it. I knew McCain was going to lose but pretended I thought he could win; I even pretended I thought there were hopeful signs in Christine O'Donnell's awful poll numbers (and I cherry picked the ones that showed her with the smallest deficit). But all the time? With this retarded SPIN SPIN SPIN FREEP FREEP FREEP crap? Jumpin' Jehosephat.

129 test

130  I don't like drama. I don't like wallowing or depression. I don't like internet shit-fights. I don't like whining.

I don't like Bummers

---

<singing>These are just a few of my un-favorite things</singing>

131 I don't like Bummers and in fact go out of my way to avoid them -- and actually I think I'm going too far on the side of No Bummers, because I do sometimes worry that I am presenting a cockeyed-optimistic view of the world to readers.

Here let me set you mind at ease about that. 

No. You're doing just fine with that brosef.

132 Let's just preemptively blame the SoCons for losing the election and get this thing over with.

133 Hi Ace!

134

These three guys repeatedly post articles that depress and demoralize conservatives by largely repeating things the corrupt media purposefully says to help Democrats.

 

Call them blasphemers. You know you want to.

 

And I don't even agree that cocooning is a good strategy. This Rocket Scientist is obviously a big fan of it. For me, I'm a less sold on the political value of what is, when it comes down to it, lying to readers.

 

Ace, I can say in no uncertain terms, that I read your stuff for the straight shit. I don't need you to pretend for me. Conversely, when you express confidence in a campaign or a poll, it carries more weight.

135 Seems like the right balance to strike, ace. Conservativism requires that we face reality, not hide from it. I don't think the polls are "real", in the sense of being accurate or useful news, but they exist. We don't have to believe the pretense that they are fair or accurate.

136 To put a Gay Ambassador, into an islamic country in turmoil...is like putting out a sacrificial lamb for slaughter. As well as putting all those around him in danger too. Posted by: wheatie at September 17, 2012 02:27 PM (Z7b/q) Don't forget the Female Am. in Egypt.

137

The wonderful thing about Laura is that she's the only one!

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'S....the only one!

138 5 The beatings will continue until morale improves.
--- not in Ace's domain...

139

I think Ace must have bled through his tampon last night.

140 I told you guys that I was uncomfortable about the fact that all the libs/dems I know considered BO's re election almost a fait au compli. And you all jumped all over me. They weren't even really taking the campaign seriously until recently and then all of a sudden they decided to go all in and "create the greatest ground game in the history of the modern world" and to line up the lawyers for the huge fight they are expecting since "of course the republicans will do voter fraud" and to advertise in odd places like video games and fashion blogs and entertainment sites to make sure "everyone has a chance to hear the president and come out to vote for him" There is no losing with them. If he loses they will fight like hell to keep him in office, that's their attitude cause they will think it's another bush/gore scenario and they vow to "never lose in that scenario again". The thing that scares me lately is that people are almost giving up. They see a little problem in maybe the romney campaign and they are ready to "not even bother to vote" or think "my vote won't matter anyway". This is exactly the way people are behaving about the economy and why it isn't affecting the election the way the romney camp thought it would. Most people feel that nothing can be done about it and they aren't tieing it to the administration they are tieing it to the big bad bankers and corporate interests. Some how in their minds BO is not responsible for any of what has gone on in his administration since bush handed him a bad hand and "he's done his best". I don't know how romney counteracts that thinking, particularly since they've been trained to never put on fox news and never read anything or listen to anything that isn't a democratic organ. The most frightening is that many can't find jobs or have been fired, some have lost their homes and savings and they say "well, it's done what can you do about it?" It's exasperating. They aren't even upset about the price of gas, nary a peep. Often if they are independents they say "well the two parties are the same, stick with the devil you know in these trying times" they are going to vote for a bff not a leader.

141 >>>OK so you post the Ben Stein "It's over, we're gonna die" editorial and then say you don't post negative stuff, ok.... Good God, some are so dense. The point of that is to SCARE people into action. I can see how you missed that, seeing that I only WROTE THAT at the end of the post. Some people are really so dim they can only comprehend Republicans Good Democrats Bad.

142 132 test Posted by: Redd at September 17, 2012 02:27 PM (Z8Qnh) Sorry you failed, go back 2 spaces and spin again...

143 With the exception of Rasmussen, Romney has not held a lead in a single national poll in nearly a month.

144 Does anyone here really believe that Mitt Romney is running a great campaign? How about a good campaign? An adequate enough campaign to defeat an incumbent president with about 50% approval? I expected a lot more from Mitt Romney. Maybe more is coming. But it better happen fast.

145 Media conspiracy you say? That's funny. I an continuing my penance watching MSDNC and now have seen two Romney supporters picked up at an occupy event and popped in the pokey truck. It was the damn right wingers all along!

146 I am a little concerned that I have hardly heard from Romney

He's letting Obama fuck up.  He's probably learned his lesson about how the media will spin even the mildest comment and refocus on him.  If he says nothing, then there's nothing for the media to turn against him.  They'll have to either embargo all this horrible news, or report it and try to spin it.

The embargo isn't really working as the international press isn't sucking Obama's dick anymore, and spinning it makes the media look more in the tank and silly.

Saying nothing seems like a good strategy right now to me.

147

Cool trick.

Ask a former Obama Voter whose mostly turned off by the SCOAMF but also not a fan of the right's social crusade who they're voting for.  In my experience they usually say "I'm waiting until the debates."

Frankly I hate the debates, I really do, but they serve a kind of purpose, they allow the LIVs to say "see I've watched them" and then feel informed and causually express their opinion without feeling stupid.

We haven't had a single debate yet, the preference cascade has yet to begin (or rather be acknowledged).  Does this mean landslide? Hell no, we'll still need to beat the damn pavement like...erg...just insert an offensive joke here...point is GOTV.  And it will still be close, but it's damn winnable.  And if not, hold congress, screw 'em all over.

148

Her hump is made outta rubber!

Her  bottom is made out of...things...?

She's bouncy-flouncy  stabby-crabby  FUNFUNFUNFUNFUN!

 

The wonderful thing about Laura is that she's the only one!

149 On this topic, sometimes Ace is being an Eeyore, but it's quite rare. Often he's simply pointing out obvious facts we should be concerned about. I don't want to be cocooned, thank you very much.

150

117 OT protestors in Jakarta...

 

Wow, no love even in the JEF's home turf.

 

Some collie casserole will placate them, no doubt.

151 If it is doom you seek, tune into MSDNC. It's a fricking alternate universe.

152 Faux Obama on Rush blaming youtube film maker for the recession.
lol.

Posted by: Fresh at September 17, 2012 02:18 PM (O7ksG)

Sadly, that bit isn't too far from the truth especially the MFM part

153 second line of my post about the Ben Stein article: "It should scare people. And wake them up." I didn't realize that posting "America Is On The Line" now was considered bad for Morale.

154 Sorry, Eeyore's are an invasive species. We will have to kill them off. Everyone out of the woods...  Unless the Republicans are trying to progress through the woods, then the Eeyores are an endangered species and the Pubbies will have to give up.

155

Listening to the news and they are reporting as fact that all the violence and anger in Mid east is because of the youtube video.

 

156 SecDef: Insider attacks insurgents’ ‘last gasp’ By Lolita C. Baldor - The Associated Press Posted : Monday Sep 17, 2012 6:22:18 EDT TOKYO — U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Monday that while he is very concerned about rogue Afghan troops and police turning their guns on U.S. and allied forces, he sees the insider attacks as the “last gasp” of a Taliban insurgency that has not been able to regain lost ground. The defense chief’s comments followed unusually sharp criticism from Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Dempsey on Sunday called the escalating insider attacks a “very serious threat” to the Afghanistan campaign. These freaken lying bastards can't even keep their lies on the same page. National Defense meetings must be a gas?

157 Romney is not being Very Visible because Hussein is busy digging a very deep hole


( old Chinese, saying, etc )

158

 In 2010, I spent four of five weekends before the election traveling across the country -- Boston, Las Vegas, NJ, NYC -- to organize/popularize citizen volunteering for Republican campaigns.

 

 

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   This paragraph did make me laugh.  Thanks, Ace.

 

 

 

159 Curious insane asylums are not a normally indicative caucus.

160

I have always been straight up about admitting I do it. I knew McCain was going to lose but pretended I thought he could win; I even pretended I thought there were hopeful signs in Christine O'Donnell's awful poll numbers (and I cherry picked the ones that showed her with the smallest deficit).

 

A lot of conservatives were suckered into this in 2006 and 2008. Now, it's easier to spot.

161 Ace, I find your analysis to be more consistent and reflective of the facts on the ground.  I don't care for Eeyores (Hotair) or for cheerleaders (Hugh Hewitt), I want objective, open eyed reflection of reality.  Sure, you may get distracted by the MFM's loudest scream of "Squirrel" but you mostly recognized those screams for what they are, and self correct when they do make you avert your focus from the actual ground truth, as much as it may be discerned.    

162 154 117 OT protestors in Jakarta... Wow, no love even in the JEF's home turf. Some collie casserole will placate them, no doubt. Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 17, 2012 02:30 PM (CMbMd) "Indonesia is a part of me"

163 Thanks Ace, I needed that. May I ask how many morons "belong?" to AOS hq?

164

Romney saying nothing only encourages the MFM to point to his nothing-saying and gleefully exclaim, "SEE!  WE WERE RIGHT!  HE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT  EGYPT  AND HE KNOWS  IT!

 

Romney should be double-barrel every day with  at least  one  major statement.

165 158 second line of my post about the Ben Stein article: "It should scare people. And wake them up." I didn't realize that posting "America Is On The Line" now was considered bad for Morale. -- Only if you say it to yourself in Ben Stein's voice.

166 What I find sort of funny is that the only person that seems to read Ace's site less than Ace is the guy from Hillbuzz. Wasn't Ace the guy saying after the RNC that Romney was going to win 700 electoral votes, 109% of the popular vote, and that out of pure spite, he was going to RAISE the sea level? I remember it, well.

167 Hard to read and comment on phone but I have to chime in... Big Tent and all. That said, it is hard to take an opinion seriously from a site that is named after Cankles and whose main contribution is Gay Gossip.

168 >>>Um, where are these demoralizing posts of mine, exactly?

If you weren't such a dirty dirty RINO ace, you would be able see the error of your ways. The fact you can't is proof positive that you can never be a True Conservative®

169

Some people are really so dim they can only comprehend Republicans Good Democrats Bad.<<<<<<

 

Slow down, Professor.  We don't all have your fancy book-learnin.  What was the first one?

170 I told you guys

I knew this was (oZfic) from the first four words. Skipped the whole f*ckin' thing.

171

I, for one, don't expect endless posts about the Democrat skews in MSM polls, but some people (like Erickson and Allahpundit) seem to get so brow-beated by the ceaseless deluge of bad, politically motivated propoganda polling that they forget what they know to be true, or - even worse - start falling for the MSM narrative.

To be fair, Ace, you're not as guilty of this as Erickson or Allahpundit (who annoys me to no end).  And the polls ARE getting better - even the MSM ones (once you take the skews into account).

172 Beatings will continue until the polls improve!

173 Sometimes you lay low and allow your enemy to defeat himself. And sometimes an opportunity presents itself where it's prudent to step forward and demonstrate leadership. Mitt Romney was presented such an opportunity last week and he didn't take it. Plus, he piped down damn quick after Obama's media lashed out at him.

174

For f**k sake. In 2010, not one pollster had their turnout model correct.

The nation turned out to stem what they saw with complete Dem control of government. They wanted a new direction. Obama has only offered the same direction, and has been absolutely clear in that.

Did we learn nothing from the Journolist experience? MSM played up the post-convention bounce until it began fading, then they hammered Romney on having the right foreignn policy response, and now they are all marching on the same "its over, doom" meme this week.

So are we to believe that the same electorate, which now has a chance to vote Obama out of office, is going to stay at home? Right.

2010 is the baseline turnout model. Has Obama done anything to gain votes that he didn't have in 2008? No. Has he lost votes? Absolutely.

175 Ace, what kind of volunteering (besides money, I've already contributed) do you recommend for someone living in a winner-take-all Deep Blue state (Calif.)?

176 174 Some people are really so dim they can only comprehend Republicans Good Democrats Bad.<<<<<< Slow down, Professor. We don't all have your fancy book-learnin. What was the first one? Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 17, 2012 02:34 PM (mJMH5) And will this be on the quiz? Should we write it down?

177
If Mitt Romney loses, it is ace's fault for telling us about bad polls.
Posted by: reason




Silly rabbit.  If Mitt Romney loses, it will be the fault of Sarah Palin and/or The Tea Party.

We haven't out all the details yet, but trust us, we're already got our story in draft.

Posted by: The Republican Party (tm)

178 Polls weighted heavily in favor of Dems are worthless when Dem enthusiasm is in the toilet in the wake of The Lightworker's miserable failures on all fronts.  Dem means DEMoralized.

On the other side of the ledger, Republican enthusiasm is at record highs.  Righties are champing at the bit to run Prezdint Choombuggy out of office.  Check out the trendlines in GOP identification.

http://tinyurl.com/8c4agc7

179

139...Don't forget the Female Am. in Egypt.

 

Our ambassador in Egypt....is Female?

Jeez, OSP...I didn't know that.

And I try to pay attention to things.

 

Fuck.

Talk about being "insulting to islam".

Barky and Hillary have been intentionally 'in your face' provoking the savages.

And now, they want to stomp on our Free Speech rights here at home?

 

 

180

"might Allahp be an eeyore becauuuuuse...he likely thinks the GOP is too "extreme" currently, and his dream GOP would be run by......"

 

*from the oceans, a swell grows, yielding to an open clamshell spilling forth light, and containing a nude Megan McCain, holding a torch of justice in one hand, and in the other,   an  extra-long chilli-cheesedog    from Sonic.*

181 Hang on, wasn't Hillbuzz originally for Hillary      supporters?      Am I completely wrong on that?   I thought they were pretty burned by Obama's scorched earth campaign to win the nomination in '08.      So...  WTF?    What do they care?    Did they go through a massive paradigm shift in the last four years?

182 The greatest trick the Devil ever played, was convincing the people he didn't exist.

183
Mitt Romney was presented such an opportunity last week and he didn't take it. Plus, he piped down damn quick after Obama's media lashed out at him.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2012 02:35 PM (jUytm)

 Really ? He was skewered in the media the entire week, yet he held a press conference and stood by what he said. That's all he could do at that point...

184 See I believe that once the mission has been declared , the plans laid out and the target identified that you provide no assistance to the target.  You cannot allow him to know your internal weaknesses, provide him morale by expressing dissatisfaction within your ranks or see you questioning the wisdom of your officers.  You present a united front that is unbeatable and defend everything that effects you plans for winning.   

185 I am on the other side, I think Romney is ahead, but the pessimist in me and the current reality keeps me from being more optimistic.

186 Romney is running as Gen. Eric Republican right now. I'm thinking the strategy is to do that for as long as possible. I'm still hoping he is going to bring the hammer at some late stage in the game where the media/JEF/DNC/BIRM have no chance to substantively fight back...

187 187 The greatest trick the Devil ever played, was convincing the people he didn't exist. Posted by: "Verbal" Kent at September 17, 2012 02:36 PM (XvHmy) Of course he doesn't...

188 Looking at Intrade, Romney is at about 33% now. That's where McCain was in 2008 - after the fucking economy collapsed.

189

Fuck.
Talk about being "insulting to islam".
Barky and Hillary have been intentionally 'in your face' provoking the savages.
And now, they want to stomp on our Free Speech rights here at home?

 

That may be what they're doing, but see, that's not their INTENT.   By having a female Ambassador in a Muslim country,    Bammy is trying to say, "See?  See how wonderful and accepting these Muslims are?  They're not the stone age savages you think they are.   Their wonderful people!   Really!"

 

And he's       drowning in his own purile bullshit.

190

F Erick Erickson. I hate that guy. I hate seeing his fat face on CNN always telling me what is wrong with Republicans, like he has an idea. I also hate how he letsa the idiot liberals on that network run over him. He reminds me of Joe Scarborough.

F Allahpundit as well. He knows nothing. He just likes to be negative. He's a homo and so is Erickson.

 

191

"I'm waiting until the debates."
Frankly I hate the debates, I really do, but they serve a kind of purpose, they allow the LIVs to say "see I've watched them" and then feel informed and causually express their opinion without feeling stupid.

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The debates will be a great opportunity  for the media  to declare SCoaMF the winner for a few weeks. And something tells me the person who is "waiting for the debates" is of sufficient stupidity to be told who won.

192 "Hillbuzz: Republican as F**K -- until Hillary gets the Nomination"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 17, 2012 02:13 PM (kdS6q)

 

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Summer of 2008, maybe, but not a snowball's chance in hell that Kevin or anyone else there would ever consider Hillary for any high office again.  

193 The greatest trick the Devil ever played, was convincing the people he didn't exist. Posted by: "Verbal" Kent at September 17, 2012 02:36 PM (XvHmy) I thought the devil coaches the New England patriots?

194 Kint  -- rhymes with..........

195 Looks like Mitt is gonna lose Ohio. Also, New Hampshire, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Nevada.

196 I don't know what to think of the pols because they all sample and adjust differently but the recent CBS poll had Obama up 5 with a Dem +13 sample and Obama won by 6 points in 2008 in a dream set-up. for the Dems

197 Um . . . isn't this post an example of a bigger blog "punching down?"

Aren't you supposed to--not do that?

Ace--you big BULLY!  (smiley-emoticon goes here, preferably the one with the tongue sticking out)

198 Ace is not a rino I think he might be falling into the trap of many R's perpetrated by this communist media, come down to my AO for a couple of days ace and spend some time with me and my son's on the range you will be humming the Rocky tune on your way back to your PC, btw you will be fed very well.

199 Sometimes I get depressed by the polling, but then I think about:
- 2010 / Tea Party
- Chik-fil-A
- Wisconsin
- Are you better off?

I just can't envision Obama winning re-election.  When people pul the lever, even the no-information voter is going to break hard against the incumbent.

I'm thinking about putting my intrade money where my heart is. 

200 Really ? He was skewered in the media the entire week, yet he held a press conference and stood by what he said. That's all he could do at that point...

And any more press conferences, they would have done what they did to SP (PBUH) and "blood libel", and declare he was now simply attention whoring.

201 Can I ask a question....?

Why are people on our side so curmudgeonly sometimes.

Perfect example - yard signs.

I go into phonebank on Saturdays. The girl that's working there is a sweet girl - mid 20s. Nice as can be and working her tail off. She's working 14 hours a day. Every day. And then 6-8 hours in Sundays and for a pittance. For the past 3 weeks she gets at least one nasty old crank coming in there bitching to her that the office has no yard signs yet. This is not in her control. Yet these people will specifically drive into the office to proceed to yell at her for 20 minutes thus sending her to the bathroom crying.

I'm really f'ng sick of people bitching. And yes, what am I doing here? Bitching. But holy god already people (and I"m really not talking to anyone here - I'm just venting in general), stop. Either get constructive or go to hell. No I mean it. I'm sick of cranks with nothing better to do than to go off on the inappropriate people that have absolutely no pull whatsoever.

202 >>>Ace, I can say in no uncertain terms, that I read your stuff for the straight shit. Nah, not directly before an election (last three weeks or so). Then it's just Game Faces. Football teams don't wallow in all the ways they are inferior to their opponents before the game. It's like this: It is *necessary*, but not *sufficient*, to win that you think you can win. There is some value in pushing optimism. There is a bandwagon effect. But for some people, the Bandwagon Effect is all they fucking know. It's all they care about. "Just keep pushing the bandwagon, so people will hop on!" This is Freeping Everything shit. Further, it should be noted that *IF* Romney is making mistakes (and I don't know that he is; see my football analogy -- the other team gets the ball too), then it's actually a disservice to him to not say so. Now I kind of avoid that because 1, I don't think he takes my input to heart all that much, and 2, this catewauling from all sides, with each Self-Declared Political Expert suggesting all sorts of contradictory opinions (PUSH THE ECONOMY! NO, PUSH SOCIAL ISSUES!) all washes itself away so that's all that's left is YOU'RE SCREWING UP. But *if* he makes some mistake, and I think it can be corrected, then damn straight, I'll say so. If it can't be corrected, I will take the Ed Harris from Apollo 13 view, when he's told the capsule might skip out of the earth's atmosphere: "Is there anything we can do about that now? No? then no point in saying anything."

203 I'm so glad that Romney had to wait until after the Republican Convention - when everyone is already sick of seeing political ads - to launch his massive TV ad campaign. I'm even more glad that the ads are boring, generic, and generally fucking suck.

204

I live in a blue blue area of a blue blue state, and by this time in 2008 there were TFG bumperstickers and yard signs all over the place.  Along with buttons on people's lapels.

 

Right now, practically nada.  There are a few Romney signs in yards.  Some battered TFG bumper stickers left over from 2008, looking as worse for wear as TFG himself.  Nobody is adorning their lapels with TFG bling.

 

In 2008, people were proselytizing for TFG.  It became impossible to go to the farmers' market  or drugstore  without having an unwanted political encounter.  The enthusiasm for TFG is gone.

 

We need to focus on the goal the way the commies have focused for the last sixty years. 

 

 

 

205 201  I don't know what to think of the pols because they all sample and adjust differently but the recent CBS poll had Obama up 5 with a Dem +13 sample and Obama won by 6 points in 2008 in a dream set-up. for the Dems

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 17, 2012 02:38 PM (4cRnj)


I figured it out, Ogabe is gonna give Red Ayers' the birthday gift of his dreams and kill 7% of the GOP caucus in the week before the election.

"Uh Happy birthday Bill."

206 If Romney had 'stepped forward'. the MFM would have mashed up anything he said with all the crazy sh*t that Obama admin hacks were saying and the Evil MovieMaker was causing and.....


Most people don't read or watch much political news, and very little foreign policy stuff.


What exactly should he have said last week?

207 I;m going out this week and getting some Romney/Ryan lawn signs and one I can put up on my car ( but take down sometimes)

208 Polls being close are nice, but it would be more comforting, and make me less... uhhh... concerned if Mitt were up regardless. I am still coping with how much people will back Obama, verbally or otherwise.

209 That's hilarious, because one of the things I've appreciated about this site lately is the fact you've avoided the ridiculous hand-wringing. There's plenty of that over at Hot Air alone.

210

But then I still cling to my basic analysis: Elections are driven by facts on the ground and we know the facts and they are not good for Obama. He can win a news cycle or two, but he can't change the facts on the ground.

 

 

-------------------------------------------------------

 

 

Things that people see everyday.  $4/gal gas.  $50 for two plastic bags of groceries.  The little mall that had some womans favorite nail shop -- vacant for  three years.   The very real threat of Ocare. 

 

And finally.  No jobs.  No jobs.  No jobs.  No jobs.

 

 

211 Romney is the type to make a comprehensive plan and execute it until circumstances require a shift, and he will decide when the shift is required based on the best advice he can get.  He's not shitting in his pants, neither should we.  That being said, which of you morons has been shitting in my pants.

212 Personally, I think a lot of "just plain folks" all over the country are just keeping their heads down, their mouths shut, and ticking off the days until they can vote Obama out.

I think everyone--EVERYONE--will be stunned at the magnitude of the landslide.

Of course, I do not make my money as a fortune teller or a pundit, so there is that.

213 Ouch.

214 I didn't know Stephens was gay and I doubt the Libyans knew. I don't think they would have cared if they did know. To me, the "gay" angle is just another agenda trying to glom onto an agenda-driven false flag attack.

215 I;m going out this week and getting some Romney/Ryan lawn signs and one I can put up on my car ( but take down sometimes)

^^^^^^

Per my last comment, they may not be there yet. I'd call ahead. You're in Jersey right? I'm thinking they're on backorder if they're not in Ohio yet.

216

Sven and other poll-disbelievers...try out this site, www.unskewedpolls.com

They take apart ALL of the polls and weight them properly. Net result? Romney has an average 7.8 point lead.

I have no idea about the methodology. The site was recommended by David Limbaugh (no relation?) on Twitter.

I don't know how accurate that is but it should provide some relief to some of the more skittish folks around here.

217
Mitt Romney was presented such an opportunity last week and he didn't take it. Plus, he piped down damn quick after Obama's media lashed out at him.

Posted by: Soothsayer




In Mitt's defense, he has shown a willingness to lean into the first pitch to a surprising degree. Frankly, more than I expected of him.

The problem seems to be he can be brushed back from the plate, and the Dems are throwing a lot of hard pitches.*



*Baseball metaphors courtesy of George Will's Analogies R Us.

218 No I mean it. I'm sick of cranks with nothing better to do than to go off on the inappropriate people that have absolutely no pull whatsoever. whoa! whoa! what are you yelling at us for, ya crank? /runs off to bathroom

219
A good thing self reflection and questioning is.

Is not, re-igniting the Eyore Wars, settled they were.

220 213 Polls being close are nice, but it would be more comforting, and make me less... uhhh... concerned if Mitt were up regardless.

I am still coping with how much people will back Obama, verbally or otherwise.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at September 17, 2012 02:40 PM

  But are they close? We really don't know by looking at the breakdown of who they polled.

221

>>>The Morale Officer may have some use (opinions vary), but he's not out there actually on the field, is he?

No, he's a REMF.

 

I'm always out there, though Emperor knows I don't want to be.  And Jurgen needs a shower.

222 The best report on polling I've read is this one at Data Tech Guy's blog:
http://tinyurl.com/8c4agc7
Basically his analysis is that unless Democrats have a 6+% edge on voter registration over Republicans, they tend not to win. And he shows how that is true over the years, back to 2004 at least.
Now, I don't know if Rassmussen's +4 GOP registration is accurate or not - it fits the sense I get and the trend in voter registration (down for both parties, but much more down for Democrats), but what I do know is there's simply no chance that voter registration is up by 6 or more points for Democrats.
I mean, CBS did a poll showing Obama up by 3 points, and they had to oversample Democrats to the tune of thirteen points over Republicans to get even that result.
And as people are starting to note, they're heavily oversampling women to get a more Obama trend. And its barely showing any significance.
In a year when we've seen the press so desperately pushing Obama like they did last week... I cannot conceive of why anyone trusts the polls. No matter if Obama is up in a poll or not, if its close, Romney wins.

223 Per my last comment, they may not be there yet. I'd call ahead. You're in Jersey right? I'm thinking they're on backorder if they're not in Ohio yet. Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 17, 2012 02:41 PM (pLTLS) OK good tip.

224 >>> Ace, what kind of volunteering (besides money, I've already contributed) do you recommend for someone living in a winner-take-all Deep Blue state (Calif.)? Phone banking into *other* states. The campaign and the RNC have software for this. They give you lists of people to call and a script. They had it in 2008 and 2010 too. Well, they definitely had it in 2010.

225 Jesus Christ I'm listening to Susan Rice swear that Obama is as popular as ever in Durka Durka....

and I contend she is right but not in the way she is selling....Obama has always been looked at as a pussy by the ME.

226 After the election, conservatives are going to look back at the summer and fall, and wonder why they were so worried about the election.   Look at history - no president who presided over economic conditions and diplomatic failures like we have now has ever been re-elected.

227 and in the other, an extra-long chilli-cheesedog from Sonic. Go on.

228 Let's conduct a thought experiment. Case 1: Everyone thinks that Obama has it in the bag. Result: dispirited Republicans stay home. Democrats, who rely on machine politics more than enthusiasm, win. Case 2: Everyone thinks Romney has it in the bag. Result: overconfident Republicans stay home. Democrats, who rely on machine politics more than enthusiasm, win. Case 3: Everyone thinks the election is close and that we need to work our asses off to win. Result: Republicans not only vote, but bring others to the polls. They win. Case 3 has the added advantage of reflecting reality, instead of Ben Stein's testosterone deficiency.

229

Yet these people will specifically drive into the office to proceed to yell at her for 20 minutes thus sending her to the bathroom crying.

 

Those are the kind of people I CANNOT STAND.   I've had enough of those     kinds of people yell at me on the phone or in person in other areas of my life, and I'm at the point where I    am NOT going to stand there and take it anymore.   And I sure as hell hope I'd stand up for this poor young woman you describe and tell the aggressor to back the hell off and learn some manners.   Hell, if they want a yard sign, they can buy one online.   Or gosh, make one themselves!

 

Pricks.   Seriously.   

230 Obama has always been looked at as a pussy by the ME. Posted by: Sven10077 at September 17, 2012 02:42 PM (LRFds) Not only the ME

231 "I'm waiting until the debates."




Mr. Romney, why are you such a racist and hate people and want corporations to take all of their money and destroy the environment?

Prezzy Wonderful, what's like to be soooooooooo dreamy?

232 right, because there's no way another Republican could step in and win that race.

No, you're the Hero for supporting the Loser, and encouraging him to Lose.

Selfish.
I don't care about Akin.

No one here was suggesting a strategy to win, with or without Akin, just crying that the whole election had been destroyed by his win. When I stopped counting there had been 18 posts screaming about how Akin had lost the entire election and two that were hopeful about how to win the seat despite him.

Nothing on how to fight back like e.g. tying the Dems and Obama to Kermit Gosnell; nothing on what Romney should have been saying about it. Just surrender and attacking the Xianist right who'd lost the GOP the entire election.

Glenn Reynolds is a practising atheist and he wasn't going ape about it but the HQ did. In the middle of August when 99% of America wasn't paying attention to anything the MFM was saying.

I'm just glad it ended with the conventions.

233 Tonic Dog is right @204.

234

I'll just keep answering to people who ask who I plan to vote for: "Romney, of course. Why the f*ck would anyone want to vote for Obama,  again?" I still haven't gotten a good reply to that.

235 The chief of Romney's PA campaign was on the radio this morning. He says they're concentrating on running a focused campaign now emphasizing phone calls, mailers, knocking on doors and social media. That's why you're not seeing/hearing big TV/radio ad buys right now.

236
Phone banking into *other* states. The campaign and the RNC have software for this. They give you lists of people to call and a script.

^^^

So does Freedomworks btw. If you're registered there they can help you do something if you're in a 'safe state'. You can even do it on your lunch break from work if you have time. You can do it from virtually anywhere.

237 Romney needs to press on with his attacks from last week. He doesn't need to find safer ground on this one. He's been proven right and should keep taking on the media with this one. This isn't about the politics stops on waters edge bs, anyway. This is now about the actions the government takes against its own at home. They have proven that he has it exactly right.

238 217 Personally, I think a lot of "just plain folks" all over the country are just keeping their heads down, their mouths shut, and ticking off the days until they can vote Obama out. ------------------------------------ You just encapsulated perfectly the Romney2012 campaign strategy for victory. Lol!

239 Speaking of polls. Was talking to my dad and asking what happened to Zogby poll. He explained that everyone had bush ahead in the 2004 election by two or three points. At the 11th hour, Zobgy, according to my dad's memory, jumped up and said he detected a huge surge for Gore and that Gore was going to win and changed his polling prediction. My dad says that guy with the bow tie who now owns daily caller did the same thing, on air. flipped to Gore saying bush could not win. My dad remembers being a little shocked by all of this.

240 and I contend she is right but not in the way she is selling....Obama has always been looked at as a pussy by the ME.

Posted by: Sven10077 at September 17, 2012 02:42 PM (LRFds)

 

I think the correct anatomical     comparison would be that the ME has always    seen Obama    as a  goat's anus.

241

I'm just catching up after having been away for a week. I got a message from the Romney campaign about the polls, it's a breakdown of how their internals show the race is much tighter.

I used to read Hillbuzz but it got kind of boring, there were too many posting rules to observe.

242 The problem seems to be he can be brushed back from the plate... Very astute! In fact Howie Carr just mentioned something about this last week. Howie reminded us of Mitt's performance against Ted Kennedy in '94. At their debate, as Howie recalls it, Kennedy came out screaming at Mitt. Mitt's reaction was to curl up in the fetal position. Howie went on to say he hoped Mitt learned something since then. Me too.

243 I think the media has gone off the deep end because they realize if Obama loses, they have lost all credibility.  The may believe the only way to maintain their "credibility" and their relevance is for him to win.  You can smell their fear.

Oh, and about that idea to use taxpayer funds to promote Obamacare in TV shows, this propaganda move needs to be fought.  No public funds should be used and if money is paid to promote a partisan policy, then a disclaimer should be required.  In fact, that is probably better.  Let their PACs or whomever pay to promote Obamacare, but make the networks run a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen during each relevant scene.  Show the couch potatoes exactly what is going on.

244 227   In a year when we've seen the press so desperately pushing Obama like they did last week... I cannot conceive of why anyone trusts the polls. No matter if Obama is up in a poll or not, if its close, Romney wins.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 17, 2012 02:42 PM (r4wIV)

http://tinyurl.com/8chljg8

Al-Reuters

"Democratic registration is way down," said election law specialist Rick Hasen. "You might count the court victory as a win for Democrats. In fact, it should be seen as ... perhaps a loss."

245 But are they close? We really don't know by looking at the breakdown of who they polled. Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 17, 2012 02:42 PM (W2Z3C) Yeah I know I know. I STILL think Obama's going to eat a shit sandwich this November. Everything looks bad for him... except for polls. Everything else looks bad.

246

Nobody's asking you to stop doing what you're doing, Ace.  But when you ask for feedback, you'll get feedback.

 

Some of it you'll like, some of it you won't.  Some of it will be hopelessly irrelevant.

 

Some days you're optimistic, some days you're defeatist.  I have to say that I rarely see you linger in the "it's a dead heat" phase for long.  Mostly it seems to me that you're at one  extreme or  the other.

 

However, one of your cob-loggers is consistently  grinding his axe against Romney,  seeming to go through unnecessary contortions to present him as a terrible candidate,  and then haughtily sniff that "it's not my job to raise your morale" when you point out his dickish tone.

 

Make of it what you will.  There's my feedback.

247

Read somewhere that the final polling prior to the 1980 election showed Carter up by 6 points.

 

And Reagan won by 9.

 

I honestly think this year's elections are going to look much more like 1980 than most people think.

 

How far off were the polls in 2010, when we wiped the floor with  the metaphorical  spilled blood of Democrat Congresscritters?

 

People are seething with fury right now, and most people I know would crawl over a football field of broken glass to cast their vote AGAINST  Chicago Jesus.....

248 Rush was playing Susan Rice being delusional.  Outer space Ron Hubbard delusional.      ---  --The Digging continues...

249 Here's the link to volunteer with your local GOP: http://www.gop.com/volunteer

250 And I sure as hell hope I'd stand up for this poor young woman you describe and tell the aggressor to back the hell off and learn some manners.

^^^^

One woman that yelled at her brought her flowers the very next day. She felt really appalled by her own behavior. But for every one of her, there are 15 others that just like to pop off.

I think everyone is beyond stressed. Cool heads need to learn to prevail. Easier said than done. I'm trying to figure out if I can find one more cliche to sum up how I feel!

251 Hillbuzz had egg on their face in 08, it's one thing to be confident, another to be ignorant.

252 I think romney has been so quiet casue they assigned him busy work. Saw a blurb that the adminsitration was having him get security briefings. Guess someone in the administration said "well some one has to do it and look, he figured all of this out without the briefings so can you imagine what he might come up with if he has the briefings, besides saves us a lot of work and time to have the republicans do it and it'll keep them occupied".

253 I have resolved my conflict at voting for Akin by simply deciding to vote straight ticket Republican.

That way I can say that I didn't specifically vote for him--it just sorta happened.

It's the old "I'd vote for a ham sandwich before I'll vote for a Democrat" thing.

254 Personally, I think a lot of "just plain folks" all over the country are just keeping their heads down, their mouths shut, and ticking off the days until they can vote Obama out.

Given Obama's proclivity to retaliate against private citizens, this is the most prudent course of action.  There's a lot of people who are scared to mouth off about Obama out of legitimate concern for their safety.

255 so it goes from TRU conservatives can go fuck themselves for not not liking establishment to TRU conservatives can go fuck themselves for not getting onto the Romney hype train to Yeah, I'm shoving my head DEEP into the sand, FUCK YOU!!!.

256 Polls in 1980 were Gallup and Harris, with a few newspaper polls that no one took seriously.   Today is...............different.


The one thing we do know about 1980 is that 'undecideds' this close to the election will either vote for the challenger or not vote

257 People have a list of "bad things" about Romney. They need to be asked:  "How about telling me 3 'good things' about Obama - something  he's done   that's made your life better". Then say: "OK. I'll settle for just one thing."

258 http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/doin-it-right-11.jpg Obama practicing for his job in 2013, working for Bill Clinton [PIC] SFW

259 Why all the angst about polls? Because the MFM and pundits love it. Simply love it! It's the Reality TV of news. It requires minimal thought and just enough a**holes squeaking on the cheap to argue about nothing. Endlessly. With unbridled spin. They're stealing money with such a circus.

They're able to not actually cover news (which is expensive) and instead talk about the milieu of thought (which is cheap) produced by pseudoscience and statistics compiled in a witches brew.

Quit f*cking obsessing about polls. Cover the news. Try to work in content not first "reported" by that very news, and work the plan to get President M.T. Chair into a chaise lounge an the 19th Hole.

And avoiding adding ammo to the circular firing squad might help, too. Also, more minimally-pointed elbow cheerleader pics could boost morale. Kudos to DiT for his diligence here even though he's toying with us a bit with the recent photos to hide what are surely ghastly elbow imperfections.

260 Rush was playing Susan Rice being delusional. Outer space Ron Hubbard delusional.

Wait.  What?

261 181 174
Some people are really so dim they can only comprehend Republicans Good Democrats Bad.

Slow down, Professor. We don't all have your fancy book-learnin. What was the first one?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 17, 2012 02:34 PM (mJMH5)

And will this be on the quiz? Should we write it down?   --- I was told there would be no ethics

262 244 Curious,

That's amazing Curious you and your dad both remember Mullah Zogby and Tucker Carlson calling 2004 a surge for Gore?

It explains a lot.

263

192....That may be what they're doing, but see, that's not their INTENT. By having a female Ambassador in a Muslim country, Bammy is trying to say, "See? See how wonderful and accepting these Muslims are? They're not the stone age savages you think they are. Their wonderful people! Really!"

And he's drowning in his own purile bullshit.

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at September 17, 2012 02:37 PM (4df7R) 

 

-------------

 

Intent...?

We should step back and look at the whole picture.

 

"Never let a crisis go to waste"

Remember that?

Rahm Imanuel was a Clintonista, first.

That shit was going on during the Clinton years, bigtime.

Everything....was a fucking 'Crisis!'

 

Barky uses this same tactic.

He has been quietly amassing New Executive Powers....that kick in...'in the event of a 'Crisis'.

 

All that is left for them to do....is to manufacture a 'Crisis'.

Insulting the islamists, in their faces, in their own countries...what would that accomplish?

 

Gloating about "killing Bin Laden"....just days before the 11th Anniversary of 9/11....?

"Bin Laden is Dead! ...And GM is alive!"

Shit.

That's way more 'provocative' to the savages, than some underground, obscure film.

 

264 CBS exec:  We want our poll to show Obama up by 5.

CBS stat guys:  But we would have to have a D +13 to get that!

CBS exec:  Make it so.  We've already written the script for tonight's nightly news.

265 You want a demoralizing post?  Christina Hendricks is not going to let you play with her sweater puppies.  None of you.  Ever.  EVER!

266 It's the old "I'd vote for a ham sandwich before I'll vote for a Democrat" thing. Posted by: filbert at September 17, 2012 02:47 PM (smvTK) MMM, ham sandwich

267 The thing is Mitt is winning independent's handily. I don't think he's worried about scaring off the squishy middle. Maybe he's just trying to boost ground game and let the votes fall where they may? I'm a moron, I don't know.

268 "at the 19th hole" @ 266.

269 Tfg made sure before the election using the msm telling the American people that we were headed for a depression if he wasn't elected, afterwards he made sure we WERE in a depression. He is doing the same thing now with msm leading the way that he is the only answer to our problems and everytime I see a libtard I want to beat their ass.

270

One woman that yelled at her brought her flowers the very next day. She felt really appalled by her own behavior. But for every one of her, there are 15 others that just like to pop off.

 

Bless that woman!     And the others can take a flying leap.  Pfft!

 

At least you're putting in the hours and fighting the fight, lacey.  And you've always got the HQ    for venting!  

271 You want a demoralizing post? Christina Hendricks is not going to let you play with her sweater puppies. None of you. Ever. EVER! Posted by: WalrusRex at September 17, 2012 02:48 PM (XUKZU) I'm calling bull unless I see the partisan breakdown.

272 244 Speaking of polls. Was talking to my dad and asking what happened to Zogby poll. He explained that everyone had bush ahead in the 2004 election by two or three points. At the 11th hour, Zobgy, according to my dad's memory, jumped up and said he detected a huge surge for Gore and that Gore was going to win and changed his polling prediction. My dad says that guy with the bow tie who now owns daily caller did the same thing, on air. flipped to Gore saying bush could not win. My dad remembers being a little shocked by all of this.


Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 02:44 PM (oZfic)



He's probably shocked because Gore didn't run in 2004.

273 republicans do it and it'll keep them occupied".

Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 02:47 PM (oZfic)

curious, the Joe Pesci rule applies to what you posted.  Time to clean out the litter box, eh?

274 Rush was playing Susan Rice being delusional.

That clip should be a Romney ad at some point.

"Do you really want an administration that tells such transparent lies to you?"

275 I agree that Romney is worried about alienating independents, who he is absolutely KILLING with right now, huge advantage for him. The problem is he's got to sell himself as better than Obama, and he can do that without alienating anyone. Just stand up and make sure people see you as the capable, confident, and experienced one; the guy who understands how economics works, the guy who has turned businesses around and created jobs in his life.
With that he should give some more policy concretes. You'll always turn some people off with that, but if you do it right, it will be the people who were voting for Obama to begin with.

276 272 You want a demoralizing post? Christina Hendricks is not going to let you play with her sweater puppies. None of you. Ever. EVER! Posted by: WalrusRex at September 17, 2012 02:48 PM (XUKZU) Wanna back that up with a bet?

277 oZfic STILL posts here? wow...

278 279 Tami,

Butt all her cats said that's what happened just like they all say Ogabe's got this in the bag...

279 You want a demoralizing post? Christina Hendricks is not going to let you play with her sweater puppies. None of you. Ever. EVER!
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 17, 2012 02:48 PM (XUKZU)

I'm calling bull unless I see the partisan breakdown.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM!

 

The had it GayGuys+13, so it's crap.

280 so it goes from TRU conservatives can go fuck themselves for not not liking establishment to TRU conservatives can go fuck themselves for not getting onto the Romney hype train to Yeah, I'm shoving my head DEEP into the sand, FUCK YOU!!!. Posted by: The Dude at September 17, 2012 02:47 PM (tw6Ar) I'm as ABRomney as any other TruCon, but kindly screw you. It's either him or *shudder* Obama. Obamacare. 2~3 supreme court picks. That should scare you to the polls.

281 Personally, I think a lot of "just plain folks" all over the country are just keeping their heads down, their mouths shut, and ticking off the days until they can vote Obama out.
I agree.
I also think that Romney isn't being quite, he's being ignored by the press. Look last time he was given air time he looked really presidential and forced the press to pay attention to something they didn't want to (the middle east) and in the process they ended up looking like jackasses. So best to just pretend he doesn't exist.

282 Just came from my local GOP Victory center.

No Ryan/Romney yard signs yet.
No stickers, buttons, etc.

GET ON THE BALL.

I asked them if they had buttons I could pass out. Well, if I want to buy from a guy and then sell them, yes.

I explained that ObamaBots are passing out buttons at my mom's Catholic Church and there were a lot of ppl that wanted a Romney one.

I then asked if he had any I stand with Coal/Romney signs or bumperstickers. No.

I told him that energy is REALLY important to the people of Ohio and that signs like that are what is needed in my area (coal/natural gas).

I told him that we need signs that say Kasich jump started Ohio's economy, not Obama.  He said they don't have anything like that in the works.

I asked who I had to talk to so I can get this done.

He told me Romney main website.

UGH.

People need to see the overwhelming support there is for Romney before they (mouthbreathers) even start to listen to him.

283

"In a year when we've seen the press so desperately pushing Obama like
they did last week... I cannot conceive of why anyone trusts the polls.
No matter if Obama is up in a poll or not, if its close, Romney wins."

 

Journalislam.  There is no god but Obama, and Carney is his Messenger.

284 269 244 Curious, That's amazing Curious you and your dad both remember Mullah Zogby and Tucker Carlson calling 2004 a surge for Gore? It explains a lot. Posted by: Sven10077 at September 17, 2012 02:48 PM (LRFds) no I was a kid I didn't remember anything. But my dad remembered. He's very political. He remembers stuff like that and so far his analysis of this stuff has been spot on. I just don't post it here

285 EoJ, Are you claiming there was no movement towards Obama in the past two weeks?

286 291 curious, Your dad remembering Gore surging past Bish an Kerry is amazing.

287 no I was a kid I didn't remember anything. But my dad remembered. He's very political. He remembers stuff like that and so far his analysis of this stuff has been spot on. I just don't post it here

Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 02:53 PM (oZfic)

I'm typing this slowly because I know you don't read fast....

GORE

DIDN'T

RUN

IN

2004!

288 Guys, sorry. It was insty's link to datechguy that forced Greg to gerg on his own jizm.  It was alarming enough Greg, his father and I stopped our daily threesome (well 5 is you count the dogs)

http://tinyurl.com/8c4agc7

Oh yeah. it's +6 turnout advantage....for the Republicans. (Well really +4)

2010 won't be half the blood bath 2012 is. Well sure unless republicans start letting the media structure the race.

Look, Greg's dad and i are apolitical. But the issue is Greg sucks his dad off better than me. And if my husband isn't satisfied, then he is in no mood to chow my beaver. And let me tell you guys, Greg sucks at chowing box.

So strictly for our own selfish sexual appetites, we hope the SCOAMF wins. But that's about as likley as Greg moving out of our basement.

289

I don't think he's worried about scaring off the squishy middle.

 

At     this point if someone tells me they're either undecided or "uncertain" about voting for Romney, I might just have to    take a deep breath and start    telling them -- in precise, clinical terms -- just how mind-bogglingly    idiotic they are.      Just flat out call them stupid.    I'm done caring about coaxing them to our side.      If they haven't been "coaxed" by the shitty economy, the arrogant petulance of Teh One,    or the Preezy's appalling foreign policy, then they aren't worth chasing.  

290 Ya know if Kerry and Gore hadn't split the vote, things could have been different!

291 I'll also say this in the hopes it's not "defeatist:" Romney's ads are very low-impact. I try to argue against people who say "ATTACK! ATTACK!! CALL OBAMA A SCOAMF!!" (okay they usually don't say the last), but the ads I see are too soft.

292 For the past 3 weeks she gets at least one nasty old crank coming in there bitching to her that the office has no yard signs yet.

The signs would be wasted on him.  He's clearly an Obama 5th columnist.  The tip off is demanding free shit.

I'd confront him the next time with that.  I'll bet you never see him again once he realizes he's been outed.

293 He's probably shocked because Gore didn't run in 2004. Posted by: Tami at September 17, 2012 02:49 PM (X6akg) I probably got the election wrong but the point was that a pollster was discredited and hasn't recovered. The "journalist" is fine.

294

>>>no I was a kid I didn't remember anything.

 

In 2004. So, when do you get your driver's license?

295 For Sven at 100---  You are totally right in pointing out that this is not 2008.  Aside from anything about Obama, Mitt is NOT McCain. Sven, you started the listing of grievences against McCain; you could have gone on and on.  The biggest difference: Mitt wants to win as the Republican nominee, not lose as the "friend" he want to reach across the aisle to.  I hope he's implementing the right tactics and strategies that gets him elected.  And everyone should stuff the RINO complaining about Mitt.  He's the nominee.  You dance with the one you're bringing to the party.

296 292 Ace, Barack went +3 over pattern post abortionapalooza. Reality is pusing romney + 2-4 right now over pattern and none of the punditry is saying so why?

297 curious, I have avoided joining the pack in attacking you. I've even defended you a bit. But your concern-trolling is getting extremely annoying.

298 Ace my boy WE ARE GOING TO WIN! Now get back to work and type your gold Trooper.

299 I have to agree about the Romney ads so far:  Obama let China Cheat, oh noes!

WTF?

300 @282 Policy specifics should be kitchen table issues. Paint a picture for ordinary ppl of how their lives will be better. Make a sample family budget. Show it eaten up by Obamas policies with taxes, energy prices etc. show the near zero interest rates on their savings. Then do the same with your plan. Even being fact checked wld be ok b/c it still makes msm concede tax increases, gas prices, interest rates etc. I would prefer a tax calculator but this strategy wld be a good backup.

301 I'd confront him the next time with that. I'll bet you never see him again once he realizes he's been outed. Posted by: @PurpAv at September 17, 2012 02:56 PM (NWRs2) Yep, I agree it's a opposition push...

302 The BO campaign is giving out anything you want, yard signs, bumper stickers, all for free. You can't get romney yard signs or bumper stickers in New York. I tried. No one knows who has them or where to get them and none of my republican elected officials seem to care.

303

You know what I do when I get a little Eeyorish?

 

I get my cellular phone, and I open up the photo gallery.

I flip to the three pictures I took at Support Chick-Fil-A  Day.  One of the massive line that wrapped twice around the inside, and two to get a panoramic view of the parking lot and the grass field next to the place that was filled with cars like a highschool homecoming  football game.

 

These people came out specifically on that day to go out to eat in support of a cause.  These people were willing to forego whatever lunch or dinner plans they may have already had and instead shell out an extra $7 for fast-food, in support of a cause.

 

I look at those pictures, and I see a bunch of people who happened to have $7  and an hour to spare that particular week.  I think about that, and then I remind myself that voting takes less time, and costs  less money.

 

Expect to see all those people in line in front of you when you go vote in November.  And then some.  Many more some.

304 Pussy Riot is about to be released.  Mitt needs to get them on his team.

305 I don't anybody who is voting for obama. Not even my typically assholic dem inlaws. None of the regulars at the guitar store I hang at, they are pissed off over the Gibson thing, and nobody in the Harley circles. I can't see fuckface doing anything other than a flaming death spiral.

306

 

The Debates...will suck.

 

They will be an infuriating slobberfest, designed to showcase the greatness of Barky.

 

Barky...himself...has decreed that "this will be a close race".

He has an army of lawyers, standing by...to contest it...if it is not a landslide.

 

307 Sorry, I was too deep in the ValuRite. Guess I'm just demoralized.

308 but the ads I see are too soft.

^^^

They are. As much as I don't care for Rove, he's churning out some kick-ass ads here in OH.

****anecdotal evidence alert here****

We've been targeting indies over the last two weeks. I went in 10 days go and it was 50/50 (like it usually is).

I flipped two folks last Wed though. Actually I didn't flip them - Obama built that. Obama's woeful fuckery and inaction over the last 7 days has people here scared shitless. And I'm thinking it's the same all over the country.

309 Um.. don't *know* anybody

310 I'm typing this slowly because I know you don't read fast.... GORE DIDN'T RUN IN 2004! Posted by: Tami at September 17, 2012 02:55 PM (X6akg) ok, then change the year, I guessed wrong. I was a KID... But of course you want to miss the actual point....cause you want to be an obtuse person....kinda like the libs/dems I deal with every day...

311

"But your concern-trolling is getting extremely annoying. "

 

Uh-oh.

312 I also never watch TV, so I have no clue what kind of ads are being run.

313

I hope on November 7th, we can look back and say "My, we were wrong. The Romney campaign   was very clever."

 

But,  as always,   there is a fine line between clever and stupid.

314 ok, then change the year, I guessed wrong. I was a KID...

But of course you want to miss the actual point....cause you want to be an obtuse person....kinda like the libs/dems I deal with every day...

Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 02:59 PM (oZfic)

You guessed!?  How the hell old are you?!  2004 was eight years ago.....you can't remember who ran against Bush.....8 years ago?!

315 Erickson and AP are two different animals. I think AP is generally a nervous nellie - and it is his schtick now (Eeyore), delivered with humor.

Erickson on the other hand is a turd, who uses his Republican critique to land more face time at CNN - as is typical of any (lib media) token conservative.

316

Question for Michigan  morons.     Y'all have a large Muslim population  --   Dearbornistan in particular -- so I'm wondering how the events of the last week have been playing in political circles.    Has there been any shifting of the winds in light of Obama's appeasement strategy?  

317 298, Ace, that is a direct result of consultants pushing the Obama likability crap. Don't attack the man, people think your being mean. I would crucify his team.

318 I just spent about 10 minutes going through Ohio's poles on RCP. PPP has D+4 and D+9. You cannot believe them, yet again.

319 To give Hillbuzz it's due, they do have the "Who's dressed better?" bit showing the similarities between Michelle Antoinette Obama's cat-piss sofa dress and, well, a cat-piss sofa.

320 When Romney was running in the *primaries*, he had a series of Anti-Obama ads that were like action/catastrophe movies, scaring the shit out of you with images, stats, and music. Where are these now?

321

Ace, I commented in your defense at Hillbuzz, but I think you and Kevin misunderstand each other.  He's a pretty interesting guy, and so are most of the other bloggers there.  I think you'll find that he is more than a "Morale Officer" as far as political activism goes.  Too aba alot of that activism in the past was for the wrong side, but he's making up for it now.

And I think he's right about RedState.  For a site that bans profanity and nukes trolls in a heartbeat, the internecine warfare over there is pretty brutal and not uplifting in the least.  Look at their front page on any given day, and the comments for most stories are in the single digits for days at a time.  The New Look (3rd or 4th new look) there isn't helping either, at least not right now. 

Yet here you are, plugging away looking pretty much like you did all those years ago, with threads being judged slow if the comments are below 300, trolls staggering around with "Kick Me" signs on their backs, and no locks on the door because the place never closes.  I think Kevin may be just a little jealous.

322 304 Ace, I remember back in 1988 when Nixon zoomed past Dukakis to win.

323

"Actually I didn't flip them - Obama built that. Obama's woeful fuckery and inaction over the last 7 days has people here scared shitless. And I'm thinking it's the same all over the country. "

 

Tell us  more.  These are the stories that strenghten resolve.

 

 

324 I repeat. He's already handily winning indies. Why smash him if all you need to do it beat the enthusiasm gap? I'm of a split mind on this, but I think it's a valid point to pause on.

325 Ace - you are not guilty but Allah CERTAINLY is. He promotes left wing crap all of the time whether he means to or not.

326 reason, cause + fried chicken = win

327 SINCE YOU ALL IGNORED IT I'M A GONNA HAVE TO SCREAM IT AGAIN: The chief of Romney's PA campaign was on the radio this morning. He says they're concentrating on running a focused campaign now emphasizing phone calls, mailers, knocking on doors and social media. That's why you're not seeing/hearing big TV/radio ad buys right now.

328 I know a few Democrat voters who'll go for Obama this time again. They'd vote for Josef Mengele's bones if they ran against a Republican.
What's different is that some of the older people I know who were upset with President Bush voted for Obama last time and they won't get fooled again. I'd be amazed if Obama got 10% of this voting bloc.
Its true that the GOP is basically run by retards, but that just means you who have the time and ability should be in there becoming the ones in charge, so they do get done what needs to.
Honestly though I really question the value of signs and bumper stickers. When was the last time you saw one and said "That's the one for me!!" really?

329 I agree with Ace that we shouldn't shield ourselves from bad news but at the same time politics is like a team sport and needs to be treated that way. 

That is to say that negativity about the outcome will initiate a cascade of lackluster effort and recriminations in anticipation of a loss - to better position one's self in the aftermath of the loss rather than working towards a win - and the loss itself then becomes an inevitability.  It is simply unrealistic to say that you can both anticipate an inevitable loss but still give full effort towards a win - human nature doesn't work that way. 

When I played hockey as a kid I always counseled teammates that when we were a goal or two or more ahead in the third period, to "put the other team to sleep."  By this I mean that when you line up for a face off or between stoppages instead of talking trash you tell the opposing team's player that he played well, or that his team was the victim of a few bad bounces or bad calls.  You say these things not necessarily because you believe them but because the player of a losing team is looking for a moral "out" or excuse to mentally excise his play from the outcome of the game.  On a practical level, his effort doesn't count for anything significant if his team loses, but on a psychological level he is tempted to find a resolution where he can be satisfied with something other than a win and not associate himself with the loss.  The effect of course is to demotivate the player - if he's dissociated himself emotionally from the outcome of the game which seems inevitable, he's a lot less likely to chase down loose pucks or endure physical punishment to make a play, which in turn makes a comeback much less likely. 

The value of policing Eyores should be to punish those who are simply positioning themselves to look best after a loss because of the cascade effect that this has on the rest of the "team" as it were.  I don't think this requires an unreasonable suspension of disbelief, and I understand that much of the frustration lies with what seems like the insurmountable ability of a horribly biased media to shape a narrative for Obama's benefit.  It does seem like we're always put in a position to be playing defense, or to carry the hockey analogy forward, we're always killing a 5 on 3 power play due to shitty calls and can't get one to go our way.

330 Hillbuzz apparently monitors this place on the even-numbered Eeyore days,  and misses the positive stories.

Hey, I am not going to pretend I didn't see the "Stupid Akin has cost us the election" column.  And a couple of others a well.

This is why we shouldn't post every single emotion and thought we have here.  I know this is hard to believe,  but people actually read this site.

331 325 I just spent about 10 minutes going through Ohio's poles

Why?  Someone in Poland put out a YouTube derisive of your religion?

332 I'm certain that even if the SCOAMT wins (and I really don't think he will) and digs even deeper into killing the US, there's going to be a splitting of the  union.  We're split already.  We are in a cold civil war.

333 Speaking of chicken I'm grilling 2' thick poke chops stuffed w/cajun sausage today. evil grin.

334 i remember when my daddy told me William Henry Harrison surged ahead of the Duke of Normandy by 13 points in the election of 1953.

335 Thanks Ed Anger. I trust the Romney Campaign guys. The GOP leadership are a batch of idiots, but the campaign team is almost terrifying in its calculated precision and effectiveness.

336 327 When Romney was running in the *primaries*, he had a series of Anti-Obama ads that were like action/catastrophe movies, scaring the shit out of you with images, stats, and music.

Where are these now?

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2012 03:02 PM (fxHyG)

http://tinyurl.com/7dqnar6

Al Wa-Po campaign tracker.  That where the ads are Ace.  Make of it what you will.

Romney seems to think he is winning I'd wager and is watching the bullshit unfold and making ads based on how flat on his face Bark falls.

337 Further, if it IS about the enthusiasm gap, why wouldn't he wait until later to absolutely demoralize the Democrats? If it's about "Feelings", why wouldn't you wait until you see the whites of their eyes?

338

AnonymousDrivel at 266

 

This is exactly right.  The Massive Bullshit Media are creating make-believe content  (phony skewed polls) to give themselves something to talk about and a point of departure for attacking Romney.

If they actually had to rely on REALITY, it would be much more evident that Obama is in big trouble.  This is the psyops that we have to fight against.  And it is a psyops that is taking place all across the board.

 

Witness only the "big lie" that continues regarding the root cause of the riots in Libya and Egypt and elsewhere.  These are operations that are being manipulated by Salafist Islam  (al Qaeda operatives among them) mullahs and such, and are only tied to that stupid YouTube video for propaganda purposes. And they have got the Obama Regime tied in knots rationalizing this silliness.

 

We live in an Orwellian age, and even a Romney victory will not end that.  The MBM is intent on perverting truth and reality to achieve the ends that they desire.  Why isn't Dan Rather in jail for libeling George Bush in 2004?

  When people talk about destroying the Media to save the country, this is really not far off base.  Something has to change or we will all go nuts.

339 <To give Hillbuzz it's due, they do have the "Who's dressed better?" bit showing the similarities between Michelle Antoinette Obama's cat-piss sofa dress and, well, a cat-piss sofa.>

Posted by: tcn at September 17, 2012 03:01 PM (ZOUmX)

 

---------------------------

 

And there is no better place for Gay Obama dish, Bobby Titcomb "Fish & Poi" stuff either. 

340 Quit being obtuse!   It's not my fault.  None of my cats want to remember Kerry.

341 The chief of Romney's PA campaign was on the radio this morning. He says they're concentrating on running a focused campaign now emphasizing phone calls, mailers, knocking on doors and social media. That's why you're not seeing/hearing big TV/radio ad buys right now.

This is, I believe, called "building the ground game" in the business, correct?

342

Are you claiming there was no movement towards Obama in the past two weeks?<<<<<<

 

No.  I'm telling you that of the Romney posts  I've read by that author, that has been my general experience.

 

If  you want to talk facts on the ground, that's one thing.  But the HillBuzz piece seems to be addressing tone.  And saying that the tone here is demoralizing.

 

That it lessens morale.

 

That it's morale is low.

 

I'm not the most emotional guy.  I recognize that this is a close one.  Or maybe it isn't.  We'll  find out in November.  Either way, I have plans. 

 

I hate being given topics to write about. If it's not my idea  in the first place, the result usually sucks.  Not trying to suggest you change anything - just trying to fit the HillBuzz piece into context.

343 334 Ed Anger,

That's what Boston told me when I asked them why they weren't more aggressive in ads when they tried to get me to go see Ryan up at the marriot today.

1,000 bucks a plate plenty did show.

344 Ain't never seen no research sayin that debates change anyone's mind.


The MEDIA like to say that debates matter, because they cover / obsess on them , and think that Words and Big Ideas matter.


Most people who will actually vote have already decided; some of those who are truly undecided will not vote, and some will vote for Romney


that's just the way it is..........

345 304 curious, I have avoided joining the pack in attacking you. I've even defended you a bit. But your concern-trolling is getting extremely annoying. Posted by: ace at September 17, 2012 02:57 PM (fxHyG) Ace, this is the only blog I've ever posted on. I'm not sure what you guys mean by "concern trolling". I get attacked when I discuss stuff I see out there where I work, where I socialize. BO has had a surge in the past two weeks. At the same time it seems to me that something odd is going on with romney. They were doing really well, they were picking up a lot of steam and then it seemed like they ran out of steam. I'm wondering why, what happened? I guess, in my mind, I'm wondering if romney will turn out to be another McCain and he will say "President Obama is doing a good job guys" or something like that. It took a long time for me to warm up to the idea of romney as president. I fought it hard, I really liked rick santorum. so now I'm beginning to worry that he will let me down and I'll be deflated again by another republican candidate I chose to trust. So if that is coming out in my posts, sorry for that. I come here to get away from the daily barrage of information coming out of the bO campaign. Today they are celebrating cause romney's "internals aren't good". I didn't mention that or say anything but it might be weighing on my mind.

346 People what is wrong with you all? Pray for Peace is right: the polls had Gore surging past Bush in 2000 and everyone thought he was going to win. Hell, a blogger just a few days ago posted a piece arguing exactly that from the time.
Why are you piling on Pray for Peace for typing a number wrong? Why are you taking out your frustration and pouring mockery and derision on someone like that?

347 >>>ey, I am not going to pretend I didn't see the "Stupid Akin has cost us the election" column. And a couple of others a well. I'm not going to pretend that people are being assholes about this. Rather than encouraging him to leave to let a solid conservative WIN THE SEAT BY TEN POINTS, you instead resort to your crap about "Party machine vs. Grassroots." This fucking idiot won 36% of the primary vote. A plurality, yes. But hardly the consensus of the grassroots. I guess I'll just stay on Sarah Palin's side on this. Everyone who disagrees hates Sarah Palin.

348 *from the oceans, a swell grows, yielding to an open clamshell spilling forth light, and containing a nude Megan McCain, holding a torch of justice in one hand, and in the other, an extra-long chilli-cheesedog from Sonic.*

Posted by: reason at September 17, 2012 02:35 PM (sPO/s)

That's one hell of a clam...

349 334, like walker, hmm

350 yeah there's been a 'movement' towards Obama-----a bowel movement


( could. not. resist. )

351 In '08, I began to say with increasing frequency,

"Hey, the candidate and his staff are visibly way in over their heads, and they're making a long string of unforced errors, and they're actually talking up our opponent's virtues, while banning discussion of the opponent's faults, and I'm genuinely scared that if things don't change then disaster awaits on Election Day."

We all know what happened next.

Sometimes eeyorism is unfortunately correct.

352 I agree that Red State is pissing me off by falling for this insider gossip that no one outside of dedicated blog readers would pay attention to. I do read RCP every day and it is very discouraging at times as they make no differentiation between good polls and ridiculous polls. A poll with a margin of error of 5 is not a good poll even if it is likely voters.
Every major contest since 2009, except for upstate New York, has gone to our side: McDonnel, Christie,Scott Brown, multiple Wisconsin elections(remember the supreme court justice too) and all the prognosticators predicted democrat wins. I don;t know anyone who voted for McCain who will vote for Obama, but I know lots of Obama voters who will vote for Romney or not vote at all. I live int eh bluest of the blue in Massachusetts and polls say Warren is beating Brown but there are Brown yard signs everywhere and hardly a Warren sign to be seen. I have Romney and Brown bumper stickers but am afraid to put them on my car because I don;t want it keyed.
I think Ace is doing it exactly right. How can you start a preference cascade if no one says things out loud. I thought that is the point of people like Ben Stein and Clint Eastwood saying our dear Leader is an empty suit or chair or TFG.

353 Sometimes eeyorism is unfortunately correct. Posted by: torquewrench at September 17, 2012 03:08 PM (ymG7s) Mitt's campaign is NOT McCain's. Clear as day.

354 352 
Today they are celebrating cause romney's "internals aren't good". I didn't mention that or say anything but it might be weighing on my mind.

Curious


Yes curious the only place you post, and golly you work at Obama HQ....

look reality is reality they are rioting in Durka Durka saying Obamaa is guilty....but Obama says "uh it's a film!" you ever consider that Obama like most things has no fucking idea what he's talking about?

355 I think Ace wrote this post knowing that it would get six-seven hundred comments.  Enough time for him to break out of his "cone of fap".  The pressure may be overwhelming.

356 BO has had a surge in the past two weeks.

No.

The media has had a surge in the past two weeks.  Any blip in the polls or any perception of an Obama "surge" is a direct result of the shameless partisan knee-padding of the media.  Period.

In fact, the past two weeks for Barack Obama have been, by any objective measure, two of the worst weeks that a sitting president has experienced in recent memory.

And that includes 9/11/2001.

357 Ace, bringing boobies into the discussion isn't fair.

358 I was really surprised I lost to the Smirking Chimp after that last minute surge we enjoyed against him in 2004.  That's why my second chakra now needs released on a regular basis, by unsuspecting masseuses and other prey, I mean, friendly females fans and AGW acolytes.

359 pray for peace, Christopher Taylor: I'm sorry. I saw people pouncing on curious and assumed she'd been concern trolling. I confess, I didn't read her post; I assumed it was a downer, because people where jumping on her. Now I see it was actually noting that Gore surged in the polls but didn't win. I'm sorry. And look: This is why I actually defend curious sometimes: Because some of you guys are just bullying her over EVERYTHING she says, even if it's unobjectionable. And I joined in.

360 2008 was an enormous aberration and you cannot compare any presidential campaign to that one. It simply does not apply. All the rules were broken, all of the patterns were disrupted. It just was a freakish event that happens once a generation or less often and is not going to be repeated again, perhaps in our lifetimes.
It took a vast groundswell of animosity toward Republicans, a sycophantic, worshipful press, a massively disliked opponent and a godawful, pathetic campaign by McCain to get a win for Obama, and he only got 53% of the popular vote.
He has none of that this time around. Not one bit of it. The press is definitely on his side, but not in the absurd, cringing bitch way they were in 2008. Nobody is portraying Obama as the "lightworker" or putting halos around his head this time around. They are defending him out of desperation, not worship.

361 curious,

I have avoided joining the pack in attacking you. I've even defended you a bit.

But your concern-trolling is getting extremely annoying.

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2012 02:57 PM (fxHyG)

 

OMG  I just threw up in my  underwear a little bit! 

362 He remembers stuff like that and so far his analysis of this stuff has been spot on. I just don't post it here

Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 02:53 PM (oZfic)

 

You mean like his analysis that Huckabee decided not to run because he thought that the convention was just going to nominate him on their own.  Analysis like that.  Pure genius.

363 bloggers have such thin skin.

364 353  People what is wrong with you all? Pray for Peace is right: the polls had Gore surging past Bush in 2000 and everyone thought he was going to win. Hell, a blogger just a few days ago posted a piece arguing exactly that from the time.

Why are you piling on Pray for Peace for typing a number wrong? Why are you taking out your frustration and pouring mockery and derision on someone like that?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 17, 2012 03:06 PM (r4wIV)

Pray for Peace is a concern troll named "Curious" who says that "only New Yorkers understand 9/11" even though my Foster dad was supposed to be at the Pentagon that morning in the win across from the debris field?

That could be part of it there CT.

365 The BO campaign is giving out anything you want, yard signs, bumper stickers, all for free.

You are of course availing yourself of all this as often as possible, right?

The bumper stickers and pins are not that useful unless you're equipped to overpaint them, but coroplast signs are great for repairing animal gnawed holes in barn walls and temporarily repairing busted panes on multi-pane windows.

Coroplast is also great for making cheap R/C planes.  There's a whole subculture of R/C enthusiasts that do that.

http://www.rcgroups.com/spad-simple-plastic-airplane-designs-176/

366 I would definitely say yours is one of the few sites keeping me sane, Ace.

367

"That's one hell of a clam..."

 

Lifting that load took a lot of mussel.

368 Ace I got kicked off LGF to come over here and join you well, actually I wanted to get out of that homo insane place with the head homo being a fucktard and communist anyway just keep doing what you do best young man.

369 the constant concern troll hunting is childish and it reeks of insecurity

370 I don't see Ace of Spades in this way, generally. I see Hot Gas as much more Rino-ish - I can't tell you how many times I read things there that buy into liberal arguments and talking points. It is quite annoying.

371 "I'm not the most emotional guy. I recognize that this is a close one. Or maybe it isn't. We'll find out in November. Either way, I have plans"

The Philadelphia Inquirer was trumpeting a poll showing Obama up by 11% in Pennsylvania.

I know it is bullshit because Obama only won Pennsylvania by 10% in 2008 - who the fuck believes that this guy is going to get more support in Pennsylvania (or anywhere else) than he did in 2008?  Or even the same amount of support?  The Obama campaign doesn't even believe that.  If they don't believe it, why the fuck should I believe it?  The whole purpose of the poll and articles "reporting" the poll is to give voters false perception of inevitability and futility.

This is what we're up against.

372 ""In antiquity, those that excelled in warfare first made themselves unconquerable in order to await the moment when the enemy could be conquered.
Being unconquerable lies with yourself, being conquerable lies with the enemy.
Thus one who excels in warfare is able to make himself unconquerable, but cannot necessarily cause the enemy to be conquerable.
Thus it is said a strategy for conquering the enemy can be known but yet not possible to implement.""



In a perfect world Mitt is following this and is just waiting for the right time to strike.

373 Tell us more. These are the stories that strenghten resolve.

^^^^

I just can't stress enough that if people have time, they spend an hour a week in their phone bank or canvassing. Esp if they're feeling despondent. It helps turning off the news. Plus it helps surrounding yourself with like-minded folks.

I, prob like a lot of folks here, have some fatalistic tendencies. So when I get in my own head too much. I drive over to my local Victory Center. Chances are I'll see the same people I saw the from week before. These folks are amazing. No other way to put it. You have retirees that spend 5 days a week in there because they have the time and are scared shitless for their children/grandchildren. There's another guy I work with that has cerebral palsay. Yet he's in there every.damn.day. There's the head of the college Republican group that's there every weekend. She's bringing in kids from the HS to help make phone calls. These HS kids in there that know more than the people they're talking to (sad thing on that is that they're too young to vote!). They're all minorities. Not to cherrypick here and say 'oh look - here's one on our side!' That's the bullshit the media does. I only said that to  to put into context that there are people who are very motivated to see Obama gone. And they're from all walks of life. This 0% of blacks are voting for Romney was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen the media push. And it's not coincidental the moment that "poll" came out - our local phone bank was flooded with "closeted" conservatives. So thank you, MFM!

I'm really not trying to be a Pollyana on this - I *know* we're going to pull this out. It's in my gut.

Then I get home and read twitter and see all the debby downerisms and then it deflates me. So I'm picking and choosing who I'm reading at this point.

I'm going back to my gut. #TeamMe

374 Ken Royall: "Ace - you are not guilty but Allah CERTAINLY is. He promotes left wing crap all of the time whether he means to or not."

Another validating metric that this actually works: review their headlines.

HotAir has links to the Progressives/NYT all the time. When HA editors quote the headline or juice it up a bit a la Drudge to show anti-conservative spin or eeyorism, the hit counts jump. Readers seem to gravitate to "bad news" and, well, this is the internet and HotAir is going for hit counts - not exclusively but still significantly.

Now, for me, when I see a link to, for example, the NYT, I utterly ignore it. I just junk the link and virtually walk away shaking my head pretty much mumbling, "Why the hell is anyone covering that red rag?" So what does it say about a site that continuously links to outfits we know are discredited? For one, bad news (even if manufactured) sells. Two, poking the readers with a stick can get you money. Three, HotAir is not my top news/politics blog for exactly the mentioned reasons.

375 366  I'm sorry. I saw people pouncing on curious and assumed she'd been concern trolling. I confess, I didn't read her post; I assumed it was a downer, because people where jumping on her.

Now I see it was actually noting that Gore surged in the polls but didn't win.

I'm sorry.

And look: This is why I actually defend curious sometimes: Because some of you guys are just bullying her over EVERYTHING she says, even if it's unobjectionable.

And I joined in.

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2012 03:11 PM (fxHyG)

I'll get your hairshirt Ace.  Oh wait no no I won't Curious is trying to pretend she doesn't remember 2004 but "works surrounded by a bunch of poltitcally astute Obama backers".  Like the person said upthread "when did you get your license again?'

I remember the spirit of '76 but barely anything about the cycle of '76, I remember '80 like the back of my hand I was 8 chief.

376 Ace, do you know why everyone jumps on Curious? You should ask some of the Ettes about it sometime...

377 And look: This is why I actually defend curious sometimes: Because some of you guys are just bullying her over EVERYTHING she says, even if it's unobjectionable.

And I joined in.

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2012 03:11 PM (fxHyG)

You've missed 95% of the crap she says.  But whatever.....

378 Oh- and FWIW, I'm gay, and think HillBuzz is good for entertainment purposes, but I don't believe them. Have no reason not to, except  a gut feeling. I also don't buy into the "Obama is gay" myth. It is stupid. There re millions of not-so-masculine men running round today who are not gay. Cons who don't like gays just want it to be true. I get no gay vibe from him at all.

379 BO has had a surge in the past two weeks.


I kinda thought that was just the beginning of hockey season around my house. Pee-yew.

380

 

Ace,

The concern trolls who are really good at what they do.....suck you in....with posts that you can agree with.

 

They suck you in, then start in with the psy-ops bullshit.

You should be looking at all of it's posts, before you chastise yourself.

 

381 That it's morale is low.

This is sort of the problem.

We really don't know what the fuck is going on coming off the convention; we have little good data to rely on and it's created a vacuum. Which the democrats and MSM buddies have effectively filled with stories of Romney infighting and doom.

They hit the 'elections over' button as soon as the formal election began the night the DNC ended -- and got to work flooding the networks with stories and talk about how Romney can't win, how the polls show X, etc. Absurd, but effective.

So, the hillbuzz guy has a point only as far as there's no pushback from the conservatives movement on this issue. Which ultimately is fine as it's a cycle, the Romney folks will feel it and adjust hopefully for the better.

The damage is in the money race and depressing fundraising.

382 376  the constant concern troll hunting is childish

and it reeks of insecurity

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2012 03:14 PM (jUytm)

Yeah Sooth?  I haven't changed kicking democrat idiots in the head one bit since 1992 on the internet.  Your goal should be to kick their teeth in so hard they have a temptation to use Colgate as Preparation H.

Your mileage may vary.

383 Ace, do you know why everyone jumps on Curious? You should ask some of the Ettes about it sometime...

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2012 03:16 PM (da5Wo)

How about because the little shit said unkind things about one of our military mom's? How about that?

384 Cons who don't like gays just want it to be true. For instance...?

385

"On the other side of the ledger, Republican enthusiasm is at record highs. Righties are champing at the bit to run Prezdint Choombuggy out of office. Check out the trendlines in GOP identification."

 

I think that was probably during the summer and before the conventions.  Really pretty much everyone, except for  some  people here, are saying this is a loss. Local talk radio(even the most ardent Obama haters are saying this), pundits, and  people saying they will vote for a muslim before they will a LDS candidate. Democrats seem like they are starting to energize their base.

 

Meanwhile, conservatives and GOPers bicker over this and that. Romney needs to be tough, no Romney spoke too soon.  Romney was never anyone's first choice. Obama is every left leaner's first choice. Not matter what Romney does, conservatives and liberals will be critical. Waiting for Reagan to show up is a waste of time. And I'm afraid many are waiting for 2016, so that a 'true' conservative will show up. I see Republicans, conservatives, and right-leaning independents staying home for this one.

 

Sorry, Eeyore showed up   at my house today.

386 I wrote the romney campaign an email. Asking them how to get yard signs. I asked them if they would put out something I could take to kinkos and print at my own expense. I'll put the signs up on the trees at my family's house and in my window at home. When I get a response I'll let you know what they said. They are usually very quick with a response.

387

Does anyone else feel like we're getting  the beating that Ace isn't giving his dick?

 

I am about 5 minutes away from posting links to busty  Japanese girls squeezing through narrow doorframes.

388  Ace I got kicked off LGF to come over here and join you well, actually I wanted to get out of that homo insane place with the head homo being a fucktard and communist anyway just keep doing what you do best young man.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at September 17, 2012 03:13 PM (8Hnjw)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

Agree.  I didn't get kicked off LGF, but I "flounced".  As I was commenting one evening I noticed I was surrounded by leftist assholes with Chucky agreeing with all of them.  They hated AoSHQ, so naturally I had to check this cite out.  I've been here ever since.

389

"Coroplast is also great for making cheap R/C planes. There's a whole subculture of R/C enthusiasts that do that."

 

I would totally make an Obama/Biden RC plane, just so I could crash it into the ground over and over and over and over.

 

That's probably rayciss.

390 387   Ace,
The concern trolls who are really good at what they do.....suck you in....with posts that you can agree with.

They suck you in, then start in with the psy-ops bullshit.
You should be looking at all ofit's posts, before you chastise yourself.

Posted by: wheatie at September 17, 2012 03:17 PM (Z7b/q)

Pretty much dead on.  I didn't join in as judging Curious as needing to stuny double for a soccer ball until he/she/it played the "9/11 only happened to NYC" card.

391 sure, sven, my string of letters of this little box is gonna change the world

392 I've read just about everything about curious here and I think she/it is a bright child trying to play with grownups she/ is irrelevant so lets not get on a conversation about what it said this is a good post.

393 390  How about because the little shit said unkind things about one of our military mom's? How about that?

Posted by: tcn at September 17, 2012 03:18 PM (ZOUmX)

The icing on the "9/11 is only about NYC" cake...

394 For me, Hillbuzz is a bit like Ulsterman--kinda amusing but nothing to take too terribly seriously.

Unlike AoSHQ, which is kinda amusing but nothing to take too terribly seriously.  Because you know, we ARE all going to die.

(In "Lord of the Rings," was the sound the orcs made when they were going to get the Balrog to sic him/her/it on Gandalf something like "DOOM...CHOOM...DOOM...CHOOM..."?)

395 BTW is Jane's son home now??

396 I would totally make an Obama/Biden RC plane, just so I could crash it into the ground over and over and over and over.

Something in a pusher prop, motor over the wing format -- kinda like a seaplane.  That could be bounced over and over on the ground with little actual damage.  Multiple "crashes" per flight would be possible.

397 How about because the little shit said unkind things about one of our military mom's? How about that?

Posted by: tcn at September 17, 2012 03:18 PM (ZOUmX)

Many of the things attributed to curious don't actually hold up upon inspection. IMO this is one of them.

398 "Personally, I think a lot of "just plain folks" all over the country are just keeping their heads down, their mouths shut, and ticking off the days until they can vote Obama out."
Posted by: filbert

THIS.

399

I don't really want  Ace to kick curious out.  She's actually a very good troll.  The best that I've seen on AoSHQ.  That includes Average Joe who sucks cock by choice.

400 Pretty much dead on. I didn't join in as judging Curious as needing to stuny double for a soccer ball until he/she/it played the "9/11 only happened to NYC" card. Posted by: Sven10077 at September 17, 2012 03:19 PM (LRFds) no I didn't play that card. I said that the people in new york and the people in DC remember 9/11 because they live with it every single day. Not a moment goes by when you don't think of it. I was across from the empire state building the other day and I stopped and said a prayer cause I was very aware of where I was. People in other parts of the country had forgotten it because it didn't directly impact them like it did new yorkers and dc'ers.... btw, that's a normal reaction. I was thinking they are really remembering it now. We have a difference of opinion on this. That doesn't make me a bad person simply because this is my opinion and my frame of reference, it makes you rather intolerant.

401 >>Um, where are these demoralizing posts of mine, exactly? Or of the cobloggers?<< --- Ace being "forgetful"

Gosh, are you auditioning to be Obama's new White House spokesman? The level of honesty is about the same.

I expect this guy (whoever the hell he is, and no, I don't care) is talking about your 2 or 3 dozen panicky ALL IS LOST!!! posts over the past couple of weeks. I got sick of 'em too.

And now you're whining about what this guy said instead of posting something useful in the effort to WIN THE FUCKING ELECTION. You know, something that might be worth your time, but hey, I'm not a big, famous blogger, so what do I know.

402

"When I get a response I'll let you know what they said. They are usually very quick with a response."

 

What else have   you emailed The Romney Campaign about?  What is their general    response-time back to you? 

403 FWIW Ras has gone from O+5 to R+2 in a week. Gallup has gone from O+7 to O+3 in the last week and that's w/ RVs. The swing state tracker has Romney up 2 in swing states and the GOP just re-took the lead for the Generic Congressional Ballot on Ras today. And i'm pessimistic about this race so i'm just pointing out a good trend for Romney. PS - curious should have been banned A LONG TIME ago. ace, you should read her comments to the female commenters and her attempt at blackmail w/ people's personal info a year or two back during a heated primary debate.

404 I actually agree with the broad point, that conservative "opinion makers" have been unusually pessimistic this election.  There is a price for that pessimism, it certainly doesn't mean our side will "work harder" if we're told "it's over" all the time.

Some of it is still sour grapes from the primary (like with the douchebag Erick Erickson who thinks he's some sort of kingmaker), which really is petty at this stage. 

The state of the race simply does not warrant these feeling of despair, and it does indeed become a self-fulfilling prophesy.  Rasmussen has Romney WINNING and Gallup has it within the margin of error.  Incumbent Presidents are in the game until the very end, Carter was leading Reagan a week before the election in 1980.

405 #354  I don't particularly like Akin,  and I believe I am on record as wishing he would have withdrawn.

I am not a Palinista,  having grown tired of her several months ago.

And you are trying to change the subject.  I am NOT saying that Akin should get support.  I AM saying that because he was an asshole you wrote a column about how it would cost us the election.

That is all I have to say.

406 Just look out there.  Remember the messianic, ground-swell wave for the "first black president!" (tm)?  The countless non-voters came out of the woodwork?

Do you see that palpable excitement now?  That sense of history that you could almost touch?  Fainting?  World tours?  Speeches in stadiums?  The media selling Obama (which feels a lot different than defending/covering Obama)?  Are Dems excited to be voting for Obama (as opposed to voting against the Repub)?  Are indeps / no-info voters excited to be voting for the "first black president!" (tm)?

Let me answer for you: No.

Who's fired up?  When the rubber has hit the road (2010, Wisconsin, Chik-fil-A), Repubs/cons have acted.  Fired up = turnout (the ONLY thing that matters).

So, buck up, little campers!  ace will get back to fapping next month and all will be right in the universe.  A little stickier, but a better place.

407 People in other parts of the country had forgotten it because it didn't directly impact them like it did new yorkers and dc'ers....

^^^^

See this is why people don't like you. How the hell do you speak with authority on what "people in the other parts of the country" think about?

Really condescending.

408 Ed Anger: The chief of Romney's PA campaign was on the radio this morning. He says they're concentrating on running a focused campaign now emphasizing phone calls, mailers, knocking on doors and social media. That's why you're not seeing/hearing big TV/radio ad buys right now

Which doesn't tell us much.

As in Iowa during the caucuses, where they spent the previous year on voter contact and modeling if they could win, holding back until the data showed at the last minute they could -- they could be making a play.

Or they could be minimizing expenditures as they know they're gone, but want to help down-ticket races. Romney does that as well.

As I said, we have no bloody information (as in reliable data) to really understand where we stand in the race as of Sept 11th.

409 How about because the little shit said unkind things about one of our military mom's? How about that?

Posted by: tcn at September 17, 2012 03:18 PM (ZOUmX)

Exactly my point. Thank you.

I am about 5 minutes away from posting links to busty Japanese girls squeezing through narrow doorframes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 17, 2012 03:19 PM (mJMH5)

No. Please. Not the briar patch.

410 Erik Erickson is  a dirt-bag.  He hates Mitt Romney and was not shy in the primaries voicing his opinion at every opportunity.  And he had alot.  He has a radio show in Atlanta in what used to be Herman Cain's 8:00pm spot.  Then he would fill in for Neil Boortz if he took the day off, and so there he was twice a day, spouting anti, anti, anti.  Not at all helpful to anyone but the other side, and Ace, you and your site are NOTHING like that.

411 398  sure, sven, my string of letters of this little box is gonna change the world

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 17, 2012 03:20 PM (jUytm)

Nah you're right fuck it let's invite Kos over hell come one come all, we'll use the specially modified by Obama first amendment and use HotAir rules.  Moonbats can say whatever they want up to the point of wishing Bush dead and giving links to that doc-u-snuff flick and we'll all sit on our hands to show how manly we are.  The GOP got buzzsawed in '08 by an Asymmetric Attack of concern trolls, Mobys, fratricidal fire, and the money bomb from hell.

Let's invote Allahpundit and Frum here to whip up the troops.  I worked campaigns in '10 like Ace I am so pissed off I am hesitant this cycle so I have donated like a motherfucker instead.  I am political realist enough to know that my wanting to physically knock the heads off of donk bodies this cycle is not what Mitt needs to sell him.  Funny that.

Oh Chuck Todd is hyping a D+8 poll on average that says the race is over...let's quit!

Oh CBS has Choom up 5 in a D+13 poll let's quit.

No let's do some goddamned math and look at reality....not buy into the DNC and their media friends slash fics about their boyfriend,.

412 What the hell is wrong with this site's formatting?

413 Many of the things attributed to curious don't actually hold up upon inspection. IMO this is one of them.


Really? I'm pretty sure I saw Jane D'Oh confirm this.

414 414  See this is why people don't like you. How the hell do you speak with authority on what "people in the other parts of the country" think about?

Really condescending.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 17, 2012 03:25 PM (pLTLS)

Why it's almost like it's a parody of Absolutely Fabulous meets Green Acres

415 402 BTW is Jane's son home now??

Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 17, 2012 03:22 PM (pLTLS)

Yeah lacey, he came home earlier this month.  Not sure how long his leave is though.

416 See this is why people don't like you. How the hell do you speak with authority on what "people in the other parts of the country" think about? Really condescending. Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 17, 2012 03:25 PM (pLTLS) That was my observation. I have friends all over the country. Yes many families all over the country were affected. Not talking about them. Talking about daily life in NY and DC. You think of things in a different way, you see things differently. When I go visit home I never know if Penn Station will have soldiers with guns or not. It's the reality that we live, it's there, it's real, everyday.

417

"Multiple "crashes" per flight would be possible."

 

Hilarious.  This needs to happen  in my life.

 

*neeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrr - boing! - preeeeeewwwwwwrrr - boing! - bnnnneeeeeeeeeerrr - boing!*

418 Some of it is still sour grapes from the primary (like with the douchebag Erick Erickson who thinks he's some sort of kingmaker), which really is petty at this stage.

Waaaay to late for that shit now.  I was no Romney fan, still not really, but he's the only one on a ballot has any chance of evicting Obama, which is all I really need to know anymore.

Even if Romney tweeted pics of his junk to interns, I'd still have to vote for him at this point.

419 420 
Really? I'm pretty sure I saw Jane D'Oh confirm this.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2012 03:27 PM (da5Wo)

Jane D'oh did confirm it, and you know how I feel and watch like a hawk about military spouses/family members.

420

Lets cut the shit:  you're all a bunch of goddamned RINOs.

 

What has two thumbs and is the only true conservative on the internet?

 

d:: THIS guy ::b

421 Sven10077 said: Oh Chuck Todd is hyping a D+8 poll on average that says the race is over...let's quit!

Oh CBS has Choom up 5 in a D+13 poll let's quit.

That's not what anybody is saying. Yet, we all must realize that Obama's standing has improved post-convention and Romney's campaign wasn't as quick in responding as they should be.

I've been one of the only Romney supporters here going back to the primaries, so this is hardly bashing, but don't turn a blind eye to the data.

While there's no doubt the movement conservatives suck as providing cover for Romney, there is also no doubt they need to retool and sharpen their messaging. We're in the final stretch, it's needed.

422 @420 not only did she confirm it, I SAW it. Various times. As did others.

423 David limbaugh mentioned this in a tweet - unskewedpolls.com

424 423  That was my observation. I have friends all over the country. Yes many families all over the country were affected. Not talking about them. Talking about daily life in NY and DC. You think of things in a different way, you see things differently.

When I go visit home I never know if Penn Station will have soldiers with guns or not. It's the reality that we live, it's there, it's real, everyday.

Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 03:28 PM (oZfic)

Why it's just like you're on the frontlines at FOB Bastion Curious, except it's not.  I lived in Aberdeen Maryland and spent a LOT of time in DC metro and DC metro has nothing on any DMZ hitch.  You keep looking for ways to make NYC a lot more exceptional than it is.  You faced less harm and "angst" than any Military Member or Family member who had to go do business on any installation that had Nuclear/Chem/Bio capability on any part of the base.

Do go on, and we haven't even started in on your grief blanketing jane D'oh when her boy was afoot.

425 @430 thanks for the link, i'd just warn everyone not to end up doing what happened in 08 when we were in denial about the polls

426

 

Soothsayer,

"Silence means consent".

I try to ignore the bullshit anal leakage that trolls post.

But it makes me want to leave...and not come back.

Which is what they want. Right?

 

So I enjoy seeing trolls getting roasted.....I enjoy it more than seeing it left there....as though what they're saying is being accepted as 'truth'.

 

 

427 When I go visit home I never know if Penn Station will have soldiers with guns or not. It's the reality that we live, it's there, it's real, everyday.


They are there to protect your little libtard ass, you should walk up to them and thank them, see why folks hate you, because you are a typical libtard hating the people that are there to protect your sorry ass why don't you pick another blog we are trying to save our Country on this one!!!!!!

428 You think of things in a different way, you see things differently.

^^^

I don't know what you presume to think. I suggest you try to do the same for others. That way you don't make sweeping (and incorrect) statements you know *nothing* about. You know what they say those who ASSume...

And thanks, Tami.

429 Baldy: "I get no gay vibe from him at all."

I think much of the critique is more gay or ghey than gay gay.

Either way, he's a SCoaMF SCoaMF.

430

Posted by: small town girl at September 17, 2012 03:26 PM (rDgRa)

 

I think Erick would rather be on Radio and TV full-time than messing with his blog anymore.  I bet he sells it off after the election.  Maybe that's what the new coat of paint and fresh landscaping is all about.

431 @427 - I dunno, man.  Using  both thumbs to point to yourself like that might  turn off some independents...

432 426 420
Really? I'm pretty sure I saw Jane D'Oh confirm this.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2012 03:27 PM (da5Wo)


Jane D'oh did confirm it, and you know how I feel and watch like a hawk about military spouses/family members.

Posted by: Sven10077 at September 17, 2012 03:29 PM (LRFds)

If you go back to the original comments, it wasn't exactly how Jane D'oh remembers it.

433 425 "Multiple "crashes" per flight would be possible."
Hilarious. This needs to happen in my life.

http://www.how2rc.com/Images/Polaris-ROW.jpg

I have a friend who has a Polaris seaplane.  Its been pounded in numerous times, and being all foam it just bounces most of the time.  Worser crashes can be repaired with 5 minute epoxy

434 428  That's not what anybody is saying. Yet, we all must realize that Obama's standing has improved post-convention and Romney's campaign wasn't as quick in responding as they should be.

I've been one of the only Romney supporters here going back to the primaries, so this is hardly bashing, but don't turn a blind eye to the data.

While there's no doubt the movement conservatives suck as providing cover for Romney, there is also no doubt they need to retool and sharpen their messaging. We're in the final stretch, it's needed.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 17, 2012 03:31 PM (Wa+Fw)


UH Mitt Romney just led Barack Obama over a weekend cycle at Ras who uses a solid non gimmicked baseline.  The riots and the inept handling of them and attack on the 1st amendment has hurt Barky Choom with the Indys and probably a portion of his donk coalition.  I know let's angst over the fact that King Putt had a convention bounce for 9 weeks.

I'll keep my eye on the ball no matter how hard the M$M tries to wish it away barack Obama smells like Jimmy Carter to a lot of people.

435 439  If you go back to the original comments, it wasn't exactly how Jane D'oh remembers it.

Posted by: Mætenloch at September 17, 2012 03:34 PM (pAlYe)

and if you go over the timeline Curious is hardly the innocent she is portraying Maet the truth is in the middle leans towards jane's recollection IMHO.

436 Oh CBS has Choom up 5 in a D+13 poll let's quit.
Its not even that much, they had to oversample Democrats enormously to get him up by ...3.

437 @439 and let me guess, when curious threatened to use her supposed lurking of the Yahoo and unofficial facebook account to use the personal info of others against them, that didn't happen as we remembered it too right? or how about the gay porn link?

438 Not only Jane....ask mpfs what curious said about MS to her.


She'll post something ridiculous and when it's shown to her, she'll absolutely deny she said it.  Or she'll claim we ALL read it wrong.  All.the.time.



Her schtick is passive aggressive.


It's tedious....

439 They are there to protect your little libtard ass, you should walk up to them and thank them, see why folks hate you, because you are a typical libtard hating the people that are there to protect your sorry ass why don't you pick another blog we are trying to save our Country on this one!!!!!! Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at September 17, 2012 03:33 PM (8Hnjw) Why did you deliberately take that the wrong way? YOu know very well I am not a libtard. and they don't talk to the public. They are very serious. Me and my friends have tried to shamelessly flirt with them and they let you know they are on duty, which makes you want to flirt with them more but you respect their wishes. And one of my guy friends tried flirting with a female soldier and he got shut down too.

440 I think Erick would rather be on Radio and TV full-time than messing with his blog anymore

Malkin monetized HA and cashed out for some pretty serious coin.  Its a reasonable thing to do to ensure a nice retirement. 

441 I could understand conservatives running around yelling "we're going to lose" if EVERY poll has us down 7-10 points, but that's not the case at all. 

Obama got a one week bounce of 2-3 points that Romney didn't, and now it's over.  Some polls have us up, some down, but it's still a race.  Telling people it's over means they don't donate, don't volunteer, and don't show up on Election Day.

Gallup is supposed to change it's polling from registered voters to likely voter in a couple weeks.  That alone will give several points to Romney.

Elections tend to shift hard in the closing days according to the events on the ground.  People are not going to be getting in line to vote for 4 more years of this, no matter what they tell pollsters.

442 If you go back to the original comments, it wasn't exactly how Jane D'oh remembers it.

Posted by: Mætenloch at September 17, 2012 03:34 PM (pAlYe)

We now have somebody who says they were there and saw it go down.

429 @420 not only did she confirm it, I SAW it. Various times. As did others.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Head Of The Projection Desk at September 17, 2012 03:31 PM (yAor6)

Look, I wasn't there, I didn't see it. But a lot of people on this site seem to have serious hatred towards ozfic and they're all tellin the same story. Soooo....

443 the nice thing about unskewed polls.com is they refuse to list polls that refuse to show their internals to allow you to RE their methodology.

It is what RCP USED to be.

444 223,

That's why I say she's just a bright young libtard kid trying to play with grownups.

445 446  Why did you deliberately take that the wrong way?
YOu know very well I am not a libtard.

and they don't talk to the public. They are very serious. Me and my friends have tried to shamelessly flirt with them and they let you know they are on duty, which makes you want to flirt with them more but you respect their wishes. And one of my guy friends tried flirting with a female soldier and he got shut down too.

Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 03:37 PM (oZfic)

It's a combination of "taste" and about 146 hours per 4 years of "sexual harassment seminars".

They are doing a job stud.

446 Erick is a bitch,

447

"Me and my friends have tried to shamelessly flirt with them and they let you know they are on duty, "

 

They're being polite and staying clear of complaints / lawsuits, which would likely follow them speaking their true feelings about tubby disheveled  cat-ladies  trying to put some smooves on...

448 and if you go over the timeline Curious is hardly the innocent she is portraying Maet the truth is in the middle leans towards jane's recollection IMHO.

Posted by: Sven10077 at September 17, 2012 03:36 PM (LRFds)

I'm not saying curious is entirely innocent. But in that specific instance Jane was not either and curious didn't do what she's been accused by many of doing.

I hate defending a probably concern troll but I also hate bullying and believe in being honest about what *actually* happened.

449 443 Its not even that much, they had to oversample Democrats enormously to get him up by ...3. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 17, 2012 03:37 PM (r4wIV) Point taken, The last two weeks have thumped bark hard, and if the pussies at the Right wing Blogosphere sites would spend more time making bark own gas prices and mocking the fuck out of the kneepad press they'd happily be using D+21 polls to show him 4 ahead. Ace you are not the type of Blogger I am talking about either. I am looking squarely at Allahsquish. EEYORE! EEYYOORE! Yeah AP we get it buddy you think Frum is an Arch PaleoCon reality is in my house not yours.

450 "I'm a big fan of happy endings. I don't like drama. I don't like wallowing or depression. I don't like internet shit-fights. I don't like whining." Well, I wouldn't have known a thing about Hillbuzz, other than it exists, had you not posted that big long whine about it. The guy at Hillbuzz is partially correct in his analysis. It's not that you want Romney to lose; it's that you don't really want him to win. Or to put it more correctly, you want Barack Obama to lose, but you don't really want Mitt Romney to win. You don't care about him, you don't like him, you are not excited about him, he is not your guy. And the same goes for the folks at RedState and Hot Air. In your defense of yourself, Ace, you stated that you worked for five weeks on Republican campaigns. Not Romney's campaign. Republican campaigns. Because you don't give a rat's ass about Romney, other than the fact that he is not Barack Obama. When's the last time Red State, Hot Air, or your site posted a long positive post on Mitt Romney, and why he is right for this country? How about never. Once in a while we get a grudging compliment, or that "hey, he's not Obama" post. Little else. If you can't convince yourselves, how can you convince others? How about it, Ace? How about a nice long post telling us all why you think Mitt Romney will make a great President, that does not boil down to "hey, he's not Obama"? In fact, don't mention Obama at all. If you can't do it, all the Obama bashing in the world isn't going to mean jack shit.

451

"Me and my friends have tried to shamelessly flirt with them and they let you know they are on duty, "

 

No one else in the world understands the seriousness of this and how it impacts your daily life, every day, on a daily basis...

452 455 
I'm not saying curious is entirely innocent. But in that specific instance Jane was not either and curious didn't do what she's been accused by many of doing.

I hate defending a probably concern troll but I also hate bullying and believe in being honest about what *actually* happened.

Posted by: Mætenloch at September 17, 2012 03:43 PM (pAlYe)

I'm nobody Maet and I go away for long periods of time but Curious has a history with MPFS that I have seen and a few others.  I don't hate Curious in the way you see me go nuts at gerg and whoever the hell this Axeltoon who sneaks in when Gerg is afoot is.  A lot of people consider people I interact with trolls like Mirror Universe Mitt Romney, but curious is the one passive-aggressive concern troll I am angered by instead of amused by and there are reasons.

453 I'm not saying curious is entirely innocent. But in that specific instance Jane was not either and curious didn't do what she's been accused by many of doing.

I hate defending a probably concern troll but I also hate bullying and believe in being honest about what *actually* happened.

Posted by: Mætenloch at September 17, 2012 03:43 PM (pAlYe)

 

So honesty, like pointing out that the troll did insult her with a line about how it must suck for her son to have her for a mother.

454 Butthurt again, Ace?

455

Why did you deliberately take that the wrong way?
YOu know very well I am not a libtard.

and they don't talk to the public. They are very serious. Me and my friends have tried to shamelessly flirt with them and they let you know they are on duty, which makes you want to flirt with them more but you respect their wishes. And one of my guy friends tried flirting with a female soldier and he got shut down too.

 

Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 03:37 PM Posted by: pray for peace at September 17, 2012 03:37 PM (oZfic)

 

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Dear God, give me strength.

 

*takes deep breath*

 

So..."flirting"....is the same as thanking them for their service?

'Flirting'?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Flirting with them, while they are on duty....you equate that with "thanks" ?

 

That is exactly how libtards think.

 

That is what the bitches on "Sex in the City" did...as their 'tribute' to the troops after 9/11.

 

Fuck you, (oZfic)....whatever your name du jour might be.

 

Flirting with troops that are on duty is something that a libtard would do....in order to get them in trouble.

Idiot.

 

456 Well, I took a peek over at HillBuzz. What a flouncy, over-the-top post. You know what's NOT helpful right now, Mr DuJan? Starting a conservative blog war. Unless you're just trolling for hits, which I guess is the point of this exercise. My philosophy in general is different strokes for different folks. Erickson does have a tendency to go too inside baseball for my taste, but for other folks he resonates and he's on CNN so starting a friggin' fight with him is beyond stupid. Why not try to engage with him? Honey. Vinegar. Some assembly required. Sean Hannity's rah rah schtick turns me off, but for some people, even some non-GOPers or moderates, he is very persuasive. I recall reading Jon Lovitz a month or so ago saying that it was upon listening to Hannity and realizing he agreed with much of what Sean was saying that helped Jon open his eyes a bit. It's a big tent, isn't it? Moreover, my recollection from 2008 is that the Hillbuzz people were spinning so hard and were so incredibly wrong that a lot of us concluded they were Democrat operatives. Based on the timing of this foolishness, I'm not sure that conclusion was very far off.

457 Sometimes I wonder if curious is really Meggie Mac

Anyone else?

458 462 
That is what the bitches on "Sex in the City" did...as their 'tribute' to the troops after 9/11.

Fuck you, (oZfic)....whatever your name du jour might be.

Flirting with troops that are on duty is something that a libtard would do....in order to get them in trouble.
Idiot.

Posted by: wheatie at September 17, 2012 03:48 PM (Z7b/q)

or you can put it that way....

it's funny given how anxiety driven and enraged the entire force and their spouse and family members' lives are over the danger and separation, but hey let's be sure to try to get the troops article 15'd or at a minimum couseled for trying to play "MTV's Real World" while poor GI joe or Jane is trying to scan 15,000 people a shift hard....

"we're in this together"

459 Old and busted:  Ace IS Allahpundit.

New hotness:  Ace IS Kevin DuJuan.

(Latest post up on HillBuzz right now is . . . wait for it . . . "The Hope and the Change Movie is Coming to TV.")

460
People in other parts of the country had forgotten it because it didn't directly impact them like it did new yorkers and dc'ers....



And you'd be arrogantly wrong about that.

461 curious creates responses.  she's not going anywhere.. why do you think there are so many trolls at HotGas ?

462 I dislike curious because she is a profoundly stupid provincial who, despite all evidence to the contrary, thinks that someone actually gives a shit what she thinks. Not one person here would miss her if she folded her tent and disappeared from the HQ. Not one.

463 You know Sir Golfsalot bragged to the NYT that he likes to pretend he is hard at work and watch "Homeland" on Saturdays...

1) I have no trouble believing he likes to play hooky see Intel briefing attendence.

2) I have little trouble believing he'd get off watching a show about a Manchurian candidate soldier undermining the US.

464 On the other hand, AverageJoe/DrSmith/toldyaso/greg/parisparmus needs to be ejected from the site with a pointed stick.

465 470  I dislike curious because she is a profoundly stupid provincial who, despite all evidence to the contrary, thinks that someone actually gives a shit what she thinks. Not one person here would miss her if she folded her tent and disappeared from the HQ.

Not one.

Posted by: toby928© at September 17, 2012 03:54 PM (QupBk)

Alex the Chick might in the same sense that I'll miss Gerg when we win.

466 @470 remember when she dissapeared for like a month when OWS broke out in NY? that was peace

467 Heh Toby...you caught me on tard Ya Sow

468 474  @470 remember when she dissapeared for like a month when OWS broke out in NY? that was peace

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Head Of The Projection Desk at September 17, 2012 03:56 PM (yAor6)

She was either hard at work marching, or the OW$ goons were more recpetive to "appreciation".

469 A couple of points to make. First, I am an optimist. Even if my nightmare comes true and somehow this jackass is voted in again, I will never, ever give up. Never. I am a fighter. Giving up is death to me, and I am not ready for that. I don't read or believe in polls, and haven't since 2000. More media propaganda to cause stress and (somehow) discourage from going to voting booth. Yeah, like that would stop me. Nothing will stop me from voting Romney/Ryan. Nothing. So, MSM, bring it.

There are eeyores out there, even on our side. I have known this and generally ignore it and don't read it. Ace, not saying you are one of them. But I don't think now is the time to start attacking each other like a bunch of lawyers fighting over the spoil. Let's attack everything Obama-like. Join forces and get the truth out to others. This is war, y'all. We are not North freaking Korea.

Let's attack the mainstream media and circle the wagons.

TODAY, people, minutes ago, the viral video going around showing Ambassador's body being dragged around while people yell in Arabic: 1) Some show it as the utter disregard of how his body was treated, with allah snackbar shouted and raised fists. 2) Just now, on Yahoo, on a meme from the WH no doubt... this same video is portrayed as the Libyans shouting with joy that he is alive! allah snackbar!

Now, I don't speak Arabic. I was not there, but a human body was dragged around without respect. I have read the rumors he was treated horribly, as that is what the savages do. I don't know, and out of respect for the family I won't repeat rumors. But I believe these rumors more than I do that he was treated with respect and missing for hours then someone brought his corpse to a hospital five hours later.

The media is totally on the dole of the Obama campaign. You know that and I know that. If nothing else, the past five days proved that, big time with the denial of the WH that they were warned of problems on NINE ELEVEN and ignored them, as a stupid youtube has caused the melt down in the Middle East.

TODAY, also, a Libyan guard has been interviewed that there were no protests, that there was not even "an ant" protesting it was so quiet, then 125 murdering savages attacked as one from three different directions. He pretended to be a gardener and got treatment for his wounds. He said rocket-propelled grenades and other weaponry were used.I believe this story.

So: which story to believe on both accounts? Lovely, gently life-giving Libyans, respectfully dragging an American Ambassador through the building, bumping his body through the door...dragged by one guy under the armpits, while being photographed with cell phones, and not by several men lifting him,trying to spare injury? Or, instead, what your and my eyes show: savages happy he is barely alive and victory. allah snackbar

The other story, of the "demonstrations" due to the video--the MSM message. This vs a consulate Libyan guard who said, as the heads of Libya state, this was a coordinated mission after warnings to the Americans.

Which stories do you believe? And if you believe that the MSM is lying like a rug, then don't you think we need to join forces and fight this and not fight within our ranks? Our ranks include everyone and anyone who wants to see Obama defeated in November. Hillbuzz, Hot Air, whoever. Let's roll.

470

 

One of the insidious things that libtard trolls do....is to try to get conservatives to fight each other.

 

Posting irritating little things, over and over...week after week....interspersed with conservative-sounding things to garner support....

This is the way to do that.

This is what (oZfic)...does.

 

It tries to act pitiful, whenever people attack 'her'.

That's part of it.

That gains h/s/it some sympathy...from people who are not paying attention.

Conservatives generally don't like to see someone being 'bullied', right?

 

That is the insidiousness of this particular person.

 

 

 

 

471

Posted by: @PurpAv at September 17, 2012 03:37 PM (NWRs2)

That's what I was thinking, he's following MM's business model.  Most of the regulars seem to know that he's just phoning it in now.  He probably told them not to scuff the new floors or smudge the paint so he can flip that blog.

472 430 - True, but there seem to be some people (at another site I frequent) who believe Larry Sinclair, who is not the most trustworthy person.

473 Posted by: Sven10077 at September 17, 2012 03:58 PM (LRFds) Ironically this year ace and I went on vacation at exactly the same time. The time you guys are saying OWS broke out. I haven't had a nice vacation in a while. I accomplished a lot of things I couldn't do while working.

474

But is it wrong to point out the severly tilted sampling bias in some of these polls?

 

The biggest doom-bringer of them all, the NBC Poll that had Obama +7 in Ohio was a 38-28, Democrat to Republican skew. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE HAS THERE BEEN A TURNOUT SKEWED THAT MUCH IN FAVOR OF DEMOCRATS. Is it not a good thing to point this out, or am I being to "rah-rah?"

475 Rasmussen--

Romney: 47%
Obama: 45%

--and this is on a Monday, with all three, pro-Democrat weekend days in the poll.

Obama's post-convention bump is totally gone, but Romney's is not.

Remember, Romney trailed the President by two before the Republican convention in Tampa. After the convention, he was up by about 3 points. The Dem convention netted Obama a bounce of no more than 1 point, and probably less because we are looking at only weekend days here.

Takeaway: The Republicans won the convention battle.

476 NRO has also gone full Eeyore.

477 Ace, it is silly to accuse you of demoralizing the troops.

I don't mind hearing bad news based on independent analysis: e.g. yours or Ben Stein's.

What grates, what hurts? Posts that take "bad news" from media-based polls and act as if it forms some kind of objective data set. The media-based polls, including those from Fox News, are shot through with subjective assumptions. Why act as if they reflect some kind of "reality" that we have to deal with?

Media-based polls (MBPs) reflect reality like a funhouse mirror, only it is a funhouse mirror that always makes Obama look tall and slim and that always makes Romney look short and fat.

The only results from MBPs worth paying attention to are when they show a positive result for Romney. Why? It is an admission against interest, as when a defendant in a murder trial says he did hate the dead man with a passion. Everything else the defendant says could be a lie, but his incriminating statements are probably true.

Likewise, anything the MBPs say in Romney's favor is probably true, because it is an admission against their self interests--seeing Obama re-elected.

478 Talk about false advertising! Accept no other DOOM! than Monty-DOOM!

479 CSI Chris says it best.

480 Do people still read that website? HillBuzz was the one talking in 08 about all these Hillary supporters were going to be breaking for McCain. Uh, yeah. They also helped propagate the Birther rumors that now get pinned on Republicans.

No thanks.

481

"I think Hillbuzz' complain is valid, certainly for Eric Erickson, and some of the stuff AP posts. There is a fine line between lying to ourselves about the polls, telling ourselves that it's the Bradley Effect and then getting beat like in 2008. On the other side is going too Eeyore, taking polls that are spun and letting them get us into a funk.

Posted by: Hope You're Right at September 17, 2012 02:16 PM (lHTEq)

I agree. And, as Wyatt's Torch pointed out it doesn't hurt to tear yourself away from the computer for a few hours and do some phone-calling and canvassing down at the local Romney-Ryan HQ. Yeah, sometimes you get moonbats yelling at you (or, since I'm in a swing state, maybe they're just people sick to death of being nagged by pollsters and campaign people). It's still doing something constructive.

And I generally like HillBuzz. Kevin's DNC convention posts were very funny. Yeah, the guy was for Hill in 2008 - he now says he wouldn't vote for her if she were running. I'm a former liberal myself, so my tendency is to welcome the converted, not to spit bullets at them because they didn't emerge conservative from the womb.

482 A rare position for me -- I am a devoted follower/lurker of AOS and HB.  Different tone, different perspectives, different strategies.  Both work for me.  It's about the country and those who are willing to fight for it.  The nit picking at RS got to be too much.  And EE's support of his colleague Peter Hamby's post soliciting campaign donations for Obama was the tipping point.  I'm out.

But it doesn't really matter -- what matters is what we do to defeat Obama.  And for me, recently it has been independents or conservatives who don't want to vote -- don't think it matters --these guys I spend a lot of time with focusing the chat on the country.  Does my artist friend who currently paints seascapes like the By looking out over the ocean? Or Obama walking on the water or parting the sea?  Does my sculptor friend want someone to tell her how many, what kind, where and when she can make and sell her work?  And as for the others who want to endlessly analyze, add up, nit pick etc. I simply present the choice -- America or....?

If Mitt Romney is not doing enough of what "we" want him to do then I guess we are all going to have to pick up the slack, one by one, in our own way to save this country.

If not we better get used to the idea of the midnight knock on the door.

483 FOR RELEASE : TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 1984 ON THE RIGHT by William F . Buckley Jr . BEWARE THE SHOWER ADJUSTER'S I haven't run into the expression since school days, but it is ever useful and I'd like to see it back in the idiom because it perfectly captures a danger abroad in the land. I refer to the "shower adjuster." The shower adjuster, at college, was usually either the student council or an administrative dean who didn't have enough to do and consequently occupied himself by promulgating silly little regulations .

484 ace, the hillbuzz guy apparently hosts a program and he is discussing this subject this evening, time and place was in his post. Ace, have you been invited to speak and defend yourself?

485 I like Hillbuzz's site. They wrote some very hilarious pieces from the DNC convention. Yes, he voted campiagned for Hillary, so did I, but the progresive blinders are off for them, and that is to be comended, appaulded and encouraged for more "progs"/liberals.

486 _______________________________

Damn it Ace, he's not a Rocket Scientist, he's a Brain Surgeon!

487 Shrug it off Ace. Kevin Dujan is a pussy.

488 LMAO. Dang Ace, got your goat, eh? All that? You feelin' better now, bro? Stop being such of thin-skinned sissy. "Oh boo hoo, someone wrote something about me and now I MUST DEFEND MYSELF WITH A 500 HUNDRED WORD WHINE FEST!!!" What, are you Obama and everyone must like you? Accolade, accolade, accolade?? The Hillbuzz boys do actually do a lot themselves, Sparky. Which you damn well know too. They also have way more access to Obama voters than you could ever wish to reach. You're only relevant in our world Ace. Link the damn thing. You should be proud of what you write, not hiding from it, whether it be up-beat, straight talk, doom & gloom, what-the-hell-ever. Let them catalog it. Not linking it implies petulance.

489 Actually, Kevin Dujan is a pansy. An out and proud one.

He's very valuable in his information about the inner workings of the Chicago machine, and as a former member of the Hellary campaign, he's got their number as well.

He also has the skinny on Rahm and Hussein's man-love activities.