July 02, 2012
— Ace The patient was misdiagnosed, bad drugs pumped into his system, and now he's in critical condition.
"This is not good," said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist at BTIG, an institutional brokerage. Though the report "does not mean recession for the broader economy, it is still a terribly weak number."The trade group of purchasing managers said its index of manufacturing activity fell to 49.7. That's down from 53.5 in May. And it's the lowest reading since July 2009, a month after the Great Recession officially ended. Readings below 50 indicate contraction.
It's not just that we've gone into contraction in this area -- it's that we did so by a big, sharp fall. At the same time most other indicators are pointing downwards.
This guy says this number doesn't mean recession for the broader economy. I assume he means it doesn't necessarily mean recession.
Okay, that would be fine, if consumer spending, consumer confidence, hiring in other sectors, and GDP were growing. But they're not.
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Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 10:47 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Cicero at July 02, 2012 10:48 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Stuff Barack Obama Said, Vol. ! at July 02, 2012 10:48 AM (54vf8)
Posted by: ArcadeHero at July 02, 2012 10:49 AM (zt7SE)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 10:49 AM (AH1Cg)
Posted by: The Western Butt Plug Manufacturers' Assn. at July 02, 2012 10:50 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Car in at July 02, 2012 10:50 AM (M+jLM)
Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 10:50 AM (r2PLg)
Adding 69K in may was terrible, but they were able to keep saying "but we grew!!"
A net jobs loss would kill them.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 02, 2012 10:51 AM (FJP6/)
Posted by: RushBabe, Praying for Divine Intervention at July 02, 2012 10:51 AM (qxsyW)
Posted by: Memo from the Office of the Preezy at July 02, 2012 10:51 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 10:51 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: ArcadeHero at July 02, 2012 10:51 AM (zt7SE)
Posted by: Crashpanic at July 02, 2012 10:52 AM (9SN2s)
It is possible we could GDP contract for last quarter.
Expectations are between 1.5% - 2.5% GDP. But I think it will be closer to 1.5%.
They are also saying about 100K jobs added in June. But the last several new UE claims have been quite high. They're expecting the UE rate to stay at 8.2%. But it could just as likely go up a tenth or two.
Now if that happens, I don't have to tell you how bad it will be for Obama. There will be talk of recession. And if people start hearing recession, they'll feel recession. Obama will be out on his ass in November.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 10:52 AM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: nickless at July 02, 2012 10:52 AM (MMC8r)
The Obama will come out andmake a speech attacking "timid" manufacturers who "don't believe in America" or some crap like that.
Signed, Miss Marple, H8er Extraordinaire
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 02, 2012 10:53 AM (GoIUi)
(gov chart)
http://is.gd/4r8JZx
I have seen other economist who put it at 49% of GDP.
Government spending should not be included in GDP numbers. That is the ONLY thing that is keeping the drop in GDP from showing up as catastrophic.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 10:53 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 02, 2012 10:53 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: AndersonCooper at July 02, 2012 10:53 AM (r2PLg)
Leave your traytops in the upright and closed position until the economy comes to a complete stop.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 02, 2012 10:53 AM (e8kgV)
I still say it is not a dip, it is a correction in the amount of lying they are doing.
True. Fact.
Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 10:54 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Ming at July 02, 2012 10:54 AM (I+4FK)
Posted by: Jason at July 02, 2012 10:54 AM (6VB4r)
Signed, Miss Marple,
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 02, 2012 02:53 PM (GoIUi)
FIFY
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 10:54 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - needs rain for the lawn at July 02, 2012 10:55 AM (hLRSq)
1. Who the fuck didn't know that?
2. Who the fuck cares?
3. Who the fuck is Anderson Cooper?
Posted by: © Sponge at July 02, 2012 10:55 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Ruth Bader Ginsburg at July 02, 2012 10:55 AM (54vf8)
General Custer: Being surrounded by Indians is not good but it does not mean a massacre for the 7th Cavalry
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2012 10:56 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Crashpanic at July 02, 2012 10:56 AM (9SN2s)
First thing the Democrats will do is deny reality.
Second, they will blame Bush.
Third, they will blame Republicans for "talking down" the economy.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 10:56 AM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 10:57 AM (8y9MW)
Well I've been treating the time of Obama like a ethylene glycol overdose since the antidote for that is vodka. http://tinyurl.com/cmcroja
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2012 10:57 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 02, 2012 10:57 AM (AH1Cg)
Posted by: © Sponge at July 02, 2012 10:57 AM (UK9cE)
2 I still say it is not a dip, it is a correction in the amount of lying they are doing.
^^This^^
They've been lying about....everything.
Unemployment numbers, jobs numbers, the cost of ZeroCare....everything.
It is an "oops" when a little bit of the Truth manages to slip out.
Posted by: wheatie at July 02, 2012 10:57 AM (MbB0O)
Sorta gives a whole new meaning to "Anderson Cooper 360"
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 10:57 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2012 10:57 AM (1Jaio)
the headlines will not read: Economy Stinks
the headlines will read: Republicans Cheer Bad Economy
Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 10:58 AM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: Crashpanic at July 02, 2012 10:58 AM (9SN2s)
Posted by: The Western Butt Plug Manufacturers' Assn. at July 02, 2012 02:50 PM (QKKT0)
Please!!! More butt plugs for Tom and Anderson. But I don't really mind Barack's rectum; it's been stretched so much it's bigger than my living room.
Posted by: The Gerbil at July 02, 2012 10:58 AM (HTtsu)
Posted by: #Occupy Resolute Desk at July 02, 2012 10:58 AM (L2p1h)
Posted by: Crashpanic at July 02, 2012 02:56 PM (9SN2s)
Start it up???? Hell, he has never shut it down. The fed is the only buyer of US T-Bills. Them and the few Europeans who are bailing out and looking for a place to put money.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 10:58 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 02, 2012 10:58 AM (XvHmy)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 10:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Judge Omnipotus Roberts at July 02, 2012 10:59 AM (acEq7)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 02:57 PM (sbV1u)
New title: Anderson Cooper 69
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2012 10:59 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 02, 2012 11:00 AM (XvHmy)
Sorta gives a whole new meaning to "Anderson Cooper 360"
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 02:57 PM (sbV1u)
Heh. Anderson Cooper 3x69 : The Elephant Walk.
Posted by: © Sponge at July 02, 2012 11:00 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2012 11:00 AM (Hx5uv)
Yes yes , tea bag my face like you're on bath salts cooper!
Posted by: Justass Roberts at July 02, 2012 11:01 AM (AWmfW)
Well, he's such an egomaniac he'd probably call the show "Anderson Cooper 34.5"
Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 02, 2012 11:01 AM (sbV1u)
I had to suspend my economic boycott until after the weekend, as I had to purchase some new model rockets. Ammo is excluded as well.
I am 100% behind the "bad economic news is good news for Romney" meme. It's an interesting observation -- when the Dems talked about this back in 2004 to try to get SKerry elected, there was no discernable effect on the economy...since the Fraud was "elected," the economy has had no real growth thanks in large part to our reluctance to invest and recapitalize.
We can starve the rats and pigs on the left...and we can starve them for another 4 years if needs be....or at least until the shooting war begins, then we can slaughter them.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 02, 2012 11:02 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2012 11:02 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at July 02, 2012 11:02 AM (J6kXj)
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 11:03 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2012 11:04 AM (OlN4e)
Remington and Springfield here I come...
Actually, I need a good home defense shotgun for my wife. The 12 gauge 870 is a little big for her (she can't get comfortable holding it), but she's afraid of tactical shotguns.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 11:04 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Rioting Christian at July 02, 2012 11:04 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: The Gerbil at July 02, 2012 11:04 AM (HTtsu)
Posted by: Dumbshit at July 02, 2012 11:04 AM (q177U)
In "The Measure of a Nation: How to Regain America's Competitive Edge and Boost our Global Standing" statistician and United Nations health economist Howard Friedman compares the United States to 13 other wealthy nations in five key categories: health, education, safety, democracy and equality. His analysis and conclusions are alarming: the U.S. has fallen far behind in most of these areas, causing the nation to become "the Dog" when juxtaposed to its Asian and Western European competitors.
According to Friedman, the biggest challenge for the U.S. centers on the nation's rising income inequality, a problem that led to the Occupy Wall Street protests and one that has become a central theme of President Obama's reelection campaign. The U.S. "has substantially higher levels of income and wealth inequality than our competition," according to Friedman, and Americans' "staunch faith" in U.S. meritocracy is a misconception derived from false notions.
Of course Howie, the best way to restore America's competitiveness is to listen the Occutards or Barry for economic advice. Reading this it's no wonder why the economist always find bad economic new "unexpected". These commie turds actually think this Euro-socialist swill will work
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 02, 2012 11:05 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 11:06 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 02, 2012 11:06 AM (4df7R)
Double-dip Deliciousness: Twice the recession means twice the recovery.
Posted by: Team Preezy at July 02, 2012 11:07 AM (IfM3l)
I'm just so tired and depressed - I am ready for this insane rollercoaster ride to be over already.
I'm hoping that the majority of Americans are feeling the same way, and will take to their voting booths to toss this abomination out of our misery.
Of course, he and the little woman will no doubt turn up again - I'm sure that Michelle has a cushy job just waiting for her at her old hospital digs.
And let's not forget the huge bon-bon that Obamatax throws to all of the unions out there.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 02, 2012 11:07 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 03:03 PM (GULKT
Thursday is ADP and claims numbers, Friday is Unemployment.
Posted by: SMOD the job creator at July 02, 2012 11:07 AM (HTtsu)
Has anyone tried to work out when the bulk of people who lost their jobs at the start of this mess will fall off the back-end of their 99 weeks unemployment?
I see the potential for a false-positive huge dip in the unemployment rate because a ton of people no longer count.
Posted by: reason at July 02, 2012 11:07 AM (l2max)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2012 11:08 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: President Double Bogey at July 02, 2012 11:08 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: CJ Roberts and Barky sittin' in a tree.. at July 02, 2012 11:09 AM (NuPNl)
When the peak of every successive economic "bounce" is lower than the previous peak, it's not too hard to draw a trend line and extrapolate where things are going.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 02, 2012 11:09 AM (ymG7s)
Posted by: John Roberts at July 02, 2012 11:09 AM (XvHmy)
Posted by: SMOD the Home Defender at July 02, 2012 11:11 AM (HTtsu)
Has anyone tried to work out when the bulk of people who lost their jobs at the start of this mess will fall off the back-end of their 99 weeks unemployment?
I ran out just about two years ago. I was one of the first.
Don't be fooled: the real UE rate is around 11% if you count the labor force at the number it was when the SCOAMF took orifice. Lies, damned lies, statistics and O's economic numbers, in order of severity...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Rioting Christian at July 02, 2012 11:11 AM (d0Tfm)
Domestic manufacturing at record lows after Romney's Bain outsourcing.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 11:12 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 02, 2012 11:13 AM (QF8uk)
That's what happens when you let economic witch doctors try their hand.
Posted by: Deathknyte at July 02, 2012 11:13 AM (BAG4f)
Posted by: jimi ray at July 02, 2012 11:13 AM (79EF9)
So a pellet gun, then?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 11:13 AM (8y9MW)
What we've got here is an effing Depression!!!!
Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at July 02, 2012 11:13 AM (WGmy2)
Posted by: © Sponge at July 02, 2012 11:13 AM (UK9cE)
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Meh.... they'll just trot out the "but we didnt lose as many as we would have if the President hadnt acted.... in 2009..... with a trillion in stimulus.... and FREE health care to all.... and cutting taxes..... and making Green Energy affordable.... and ...and ...and he got Bin Laden."
Posted by: THE MFM at July 02, 2012 11:13 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 02, 2012 11:14 AM (XvHmy)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 02, 2012 11:14 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (XvHmy)
Posted by: CNN Producer at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (OCBPC)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 02, 2012 11:15 AM (136wp)
From the last thread, regarding the democrats recall of Michigan's republican governor having to be dropped because of a lack of signatures.
They needed 800,000 signatures and managed to get 2079.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 02, 2012 11:16 AM (d9ErJ)
Of the 18 manufacturing industries, seven are reporting growth in June, in the following order: Furniture & Related Products; Printing & Related Support Activities; Fabricated Metal Products; Miscellaneous Manufacturing; Electrical Equipment, Appliances & Components; Machinery; and Primary Metals.
The nine industries reporting contraction in June — listed in order — are: Nonmetallic Mineral Products; Apparel, Leather & Allied Products; Paper Products; Plastics & Rubber Products; Chemical Products; Computer & Electronic Products; Petroleum & Coal Products; Food, Beverage & Tobacco Products; and Transportation Equipment.
ism.ws
That furniture and appliance growth is probably the usual spring/summer "move and buy new stuff for the new house" bump. The printing is probably the Fed running the presses....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2012 11:16 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2012 03:00 PM (Hx5uv)
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That was the impression that I got from him this last Friday. He's always told us that he'd say when it's time to panic. I think that time is edging closer and closer. Rush is a businessman and an astute political analyst, but mostly a good businessman. He'll know when the jig is up.
Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 11:16 AM (Mtcin)
Posted by: runninrebel at July 02, 2012 03:08 PM (N/1Dm)
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Oh.... pemmicans. I used to LOVE feeding the pemmicans when we'd visit the beach when I was a young boy. They would eat those fishes whole, by God, gotta love em.
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 02, 2012 11:17 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 11:17 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Crashpanic at July 02, 2012 11:18 AM (9SN2s)
Posted by: Washit Post at July 02, 2012 11:18 AM (d9ErJ)
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at July 02, 2012 11:18 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: the Butcher at July 02, 2012 11:18 AM (8g9qq)
Posted by: blindside at July 02, 2012 11:19 AM (x7g7t)
103 Coming to America via Obamacare?
Man who died from dehydration in hospital rang police for a drink of water
I just read that in the sidebar.
It's definitely a preview of what's in store for us under ZeroCare.
Ain't government-controled healthcare grand.....it's freeeee.
Posted by: wheatie at July 02, 2012 11:19 AM (MbB0O)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 02, 2012 11:20 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: blindside at July 02, 2012 11:20 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Justass Robert at July 02, 2012 11:20 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: WaPo at July 02, 2012 11:20 AM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Crashpanic at July 02, 2012 11:20 AM (9SN2s)
The government will give you the money to pay your taxes.
Posted by: nickless at July 02, 2012 11:20 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: hooray for me fuck you dick in the ass indie voter at July 02, 2012 11:21 AM (Qr9Rc)
I know this because it is what we would do.
Posted by: Democrats in Congress at July 02, 2012 11:21 AM (d9ErJ)
I still say it is not a dip, it is a correction in the amount of lying they are doing.
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They keep trying to clean up the crime scene, but the luminol reality can't stop glowing through.
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Posted by: Lady in Black - ObamaTaxCare opponent - This means war, bitchez at July 02, 2012 11:22 AM (vOMX+)
I love a folding buttstock.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 02, 2012 03:19 PM (MMC8r)
You rang?
Posted by: Justass Robert at July 02, 2012 11:22 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Lady in Black - ObamaTaxCare opponent - This means war, bitchez at July 02, 2012 11:22 AM (vOMX+)
Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 11:23 AM (r2PLg)
Maybe. There's a race/gender/age algorithm.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 02, 2012 11:23 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 11:23 AM (r2PLg)
Whats even worse is when they count DEFICIT spending by the Government, as a GOOD thing for the GDP...
At least don't count the deficit spending....
First rule of Holes.... stop digging...
First rule of debt... stop borrowing... unless you are the Feds?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 02, 2012 11:23 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Wall St. About-to Jump at July 02, 2012 11:23 AM (L2p1h)
If you go down to the table on the report, you see manufacturer inventories, customer inventories and backlog are all contracting.
Nowadays, that means the word has gone out to supply line management to put the brakes on purchases. At the same time, prices are dropping rapidly, which means supply is still out-pacing demand.
Which mean next month's number should be even worse.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2012 11:24 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2012 11:25 AM (OlN4e)
Just think of what we could have: a robust economy, upward mobility, honest (or at least, semi-honest) politicians who would do what we the people want done, a judiciary that can actually read and understand the Consititution and act to restrain the power of the government. All kinds of good things.
And every time I do, I get really depressed.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 02, 2012 11:26 AM (d0Tfm)
That's just the escape hatch Justice Roberts used to say that it is not a capitation tax--and therefore constitutional.
Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 03:23 PM (r2PLg)
But how did he get past the Employer Penalty? Whereby by having employees you have to pay a Tax... and that tax is NOT tied in any way to income...
And.... as he ruled Companies do have Rights just like individuals (speach at least)...
Thus, he just said an Uncapitated DIRECT Tax, is Consitutional...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 02, 2012 11:26 AM (lZBBB)
Good thing the Green Economy is going to save this economy.
Posted by: Joe Biden, True Believer( That Unicorns Shit Skittles) at July 02, 2012 11:27 AM (L2p1h)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 02:53 PM (YdQQY)
Your right, but that's how they calculate it. The government could spend 10 trillion, debt limit put aside, and GDP would skyrocket.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 02, 2012 11:27 AM (ZhEoC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 11:28 AM (8y9MW)
COMMODITIES REPORTED UP/DOWN IN PRICE and IN SHORT SUPPLY
Commodities Up in Price
Guar (2); and Natural Gas (2).
Commodities Down in Price
Aluminum; Aluminum Products; Brass Products; Copper; Corn; HDPE; Oils; PET Resin; Plastic Products (2); Polypropylene Resin; Propylene; Soybean Oil; Steel (4); Steel — Carbon Sheet; Steel — Cold Rolled; and Steel — Hot Rolled.
Commodities in Short Supply
Guar is the only commodity reported in short supply.
Note: The number of consecutive months the commodity is listed is indicated after each item.
Yep, bottom falling out of demand. Also, peak guar.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2012 11:28 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 02, 2012 11:29 AM (nrW1y)
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Yeah, I noticed this, too. He opened the show by saying he was "scared!" He's convinced that the MFM is now running the SCOTUS, and he's cared. Who can blame him?
Hell, all the talk radio guys seemed unusually discombobulated since Thursday. Prager sounded morose, and Hewitt sounded confused and demoralized.
It's a little unnerving.
Posted by: Kensington at July 02, 2012 11:29 AM (/AHDz)
"Undoing Obamacare" LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6vyldf7
Excerpt:
'As reported on the front page of this weekend's Wall Street Journal, every one of the health-care industry groups that signed on to Obamacare in 2009 is looking for a way out."
Posted by: mrp at July 02, 2012 11:29 AM (HjPtV)
BTIG, an institutional brokerage. Though the report "does not mean
recession for the broader economy, it is still a terribly weak number."
Being snowed into the mountain pass for the winter without supplies is not good but it doesn't mean we will resort to cannibalism.
Posted by: the Donner party at July 02, 2012 11:29 AM (FU9ql)
Posted by: North Korea Hardest Hit at July 02, 2012 11:30 AM (MVGKx)
Posted by: MrCaniac at the laundromat at July 02, 2012 11:30 AM (MWCv4)
Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 11:31 AM (UZQM8)
See you on the soup line.
Posted by: Old Dad at July 02, 2012 11:32 AM (Qhz+d)
The US Economy admits not having health insurance.....
Have the IRS send it a ta... penalty bill, for taking a free ride on the Government's benevolence.
Posted by: JNancy P-losi at July 02, 2012 11:32 AM (L2p1h)
We're so lucky to have him.
*swoon*
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan, "Conservative" "Thinker" at July 02, 2012 11:33 AM (/AHDz)
Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at July 02, 2012 11:34 AM (/AHDz)
Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 11:34 AM (r2PLg)
As long as SCOAMF gets his gum to chomp on during meetings with other heads of state, it's all good, right?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, getting the Nork groove of things at July 02, 2012 11:35 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: The Chicken at July 02, 2012 11:36 AM (Mtcin)
Posted by: Cricket at July 02, 2012 11:37 AM (DrC22)
Coming to America via Obamacare?
Man who died from dehydration in hospital rang police for a drink of water
The thing that I found most depressing about that story, and indeed about all these awful neglect stories from the NHS, is that the loved ones of the victims never seemed to DO anything to prevent the tragedy. In the case of this poor young man, the mother trusted the doctors and nurses to do their jobs, even when they'd proven they were utterly incompetent. If it had been most Americans, we would have gotten the young man water OURSELVES. We would have been at the front desk demanding a doctor. We would have been furious whirlwinds until someone paid attention to us. We would have called the newspapers and the television news and the local radio stations until someone paid attention.
But in every socialized healthcare nightmare story I read, the victims and the families of the victims sound like drones. They appear to have little to no agency in their own well-being. They're zombies, tied to the premise that the doctors and nurses know more than they do and will take care of them properly, despite any and all evidence to the contrary.
The fact that this young man actually took the steps of calling the police to try and save himself is pretty shocking. The fact that it apparently didn't make any difference whatsoever is not.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 02, 2012 11:37 AM (4df7R)
Absolutely correct. We went through brain surgery with a loved one at Johns Hopkins. We kept at least two people there at all times and still had trouble getting the basic needs taken care of. We had to raise holy hell to keep him alive.
Do not ever put all your trust in an institution of any kind. Never leave a loved one alone in the hospital for long. Do not be silent.
Posted by: the Donner party at July 02, 2012 11:44 AM (FU9ql)
"Actually, I need a good home defense shotgun for my wife. The 12 gauge 870 is a little big for her (she can't get comfortable holding it), but she's afraid of tactical shotguns."
A youth model semiauto 20 ga. like the Remington 1100 may be the ticket. Less punishing load, recoil soaked up by the semiauto action, and a shorter length of pull on the stock that may fit her better. Heck, they may even sell those at Wal Mart.
Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2012 11:45 AM (4I3Uo)
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Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 11:58 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:59 PM (8y9MW)
How about this:
http://tinyurl.com/czoe7yz (img)
http://tinyurl.com/cssss9p (tumblr)
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