1 I have one brother who enjoys lying....he lies about things that don't even matter...just for the enjoyment of it.  ....So I know first hand about this thing called the 'Duping Delight'

2 I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.

3 "If at some point you got lied to?  It's because you agreed to get lied to.  Here's another one about lying.  Lying is a cooperative act."

Not always true, but I agree. 

4 Obama is a SCOAMF. And a liar too.

5 I think if you really care about someone, you can become willing to overlook the signs.  You "agree" to be lied to.  In a way.

6 Interesting subject.

7 Interesting concept, duping delight. 

Wheatie, I have a young 'un in my family who'd sooner lie to you and catch hell for it than tell the truth in the first place, a puzzler for sure, since because of it they lose their cell phone privileges and lots of other things kids don't seem to be able to do without these days. 

8 I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.

Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)

He likes that even better.  He knows he's lying.  We know he's lying.  He knows that we know he's lying.  And he still gets away with it, over and over.  This is what Barky REALLY loves.

Anyone can tell a good lie to someone who can't figure it out, but only a real dick with total power can tell a transparent lie to someone who knows better and still get away with it with the target demuring from even saying it's a lie.  It's a truly severe demonstration of power while forcing total submission by the audience in the process.  This is what the sickest and most dangerous individuals do.

I've been saying this about Barky since the primaries.  It's bad, bad stuff.

9 I worked for a guy in the printing industry - he owned the quick printer I worked at, and was the lead sales rep, although he didn't sell all that much, just service the larger accounts - who would commonly lie when he didn't have to. I think he got turned on by it.

He'd also order us (CSRs and sales staff) to lie to the customers, and would get really mad when we wouldn't. After a while, all the customers knew they had to ask us to get a straight answer. No one would believe a word he said, and they were openly contemptuous of him.

Needless to say, he's tottering on the brink of bankruptcy now.

10 Of course Obama delights in pulling one over on a gullible public.  Look no further than his recently uncovered self-supplied bio where he flaunts being from Kenya.  Because being just another black guy from Chicago is not special enough, not flashy enough, not extraordinary enough for the exotic Sleazy Preezy.

11 2 I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.

 

Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)

 

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Yup. Same thing with mine. ....The thing about Liars is, apparently they are too stupid to realize that there will come a day, when they will need people to believe them...about something.

 

But they have so thoroughly destroyed their credibility, that no one believes them....even during the rare moment when they are telling the truth. 

12 But they have so thoroughly destroyed their credibility, that no one believes them....even during the rare momentwhen they are telling the truth.

Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:18 PM (dHMPi)

Every now and then he'll get my sister to believe him until I point out how ridiculous his lie is. 

She's waaay nicer than I am.

13 I bet there were plenty of those smiles going on during his Coronation oath.

14

I love you all.

 

*grin*

15 So, Joe Wilson vindicated?

16 Wheatie, I have a young 'un in my family who'd sooner lie to you and catch hell for it than tell the truth in the first place, a puzzler for sure, since because of it they lose their cell phone privileges and lots of other things kids don't seem to be able to do without these days.

 

Posted by: Theresa at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Io9iG)

 

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These days....the media-entertainment complex has put forth the idea that 'Lying is Cool'. ....So it is especially tough to teach your kids that lying is just wrong.

 

I think that the old parable of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' is still a good example, though. ....My parents drummed it into us. ....It just didn't 'take' with one of us, the brother who gets a kick out of fooling others.

17 rdbrewer (#3, 5:12):
Wait, so Homer Simpson was telling the truth when he said "It takes two to lie, Marge. One to lie, and one to listen." I thought that was a lie, too.

18

If you watch the duping delight examples video, you see more telltale signs:

Sharon Bialek hides her upper lip and flashes a smile, but if you look closely, you also see she's standing next to Gloria Allred, a dead giveaway of a liar.

19 15 So, Joe Wilson vindicated?

 

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 19, 2012 05:22 PM (4q5tP)

 

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Yes. Many times over, now.

20 [It is] the near irresistible thrill some people feel in taking a risk and getting away with it. Sometimes it includes contempt for the target who is being so ruthlessly and successfully exploited. It is hard to contain duping delight; those who feel it want to share their accomplishments with others, seeking admiration for their exploits.



*****

It's why criminals return to the scene of the crime. It's why they confess brag to someone else.

21
That is one crappy player. You can't drag the slider to where you want until the video has buffered up.

22 5 I think if you really care about someone, you can become willing to overlook the signs. You "agree" to be lied to.

 

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Iyg03)

 

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Or it you 'love the way they lie'? ....There is a song about that, isn't there. 

23 Someday Obama will write a book and tell of all he got away with but it won't take that long. He will start leaking details about what fools we have all been as soon as he hits the lecture circuit.

24 I'm reporting this post to OFA and MMFA!

25 Watch the press conference where Obama is taking questions on whether it was a cheap shot to say Romney would not have given the order to get OBL. The expression on Barrack's face is pure duping delight.

26 Clinton had that. Everytime. Every single time, he said something vaguely conservative, Clinton would tilt his face down a bit and give a little smile. I never could figure out how he fooled so many people because his "tell" was so obvious. With Obama I think it's a little different, not that he's fooling you, it's more like he knows you know he's lying but that he knows he won't be called on it. Cuz then you'd be a raaaaaccccciiiissstttt, and he wins anyway.

27 My nephew has always and all ways been a liar. Just like his daddy.

28

Why else does Obama smile so much??

 

Other than he knows that every day he has "fundamentally changed" America for the worse.  And that makes him happy.

 

 

29 Everybody lies.

30 That would entail looking at the SCOAMT's sanctimonious face. Thanks, I'll pass.

31 Great post! The weekend posts have been really good, lately.

32 See what I mean? Everybody lies.

33 I only got about 20% into the vid before it locked up and stopped buffering, which is probably due to heavy traffic. I'll check it again later.

34 Obama on the golf course.

No, that's not a punch line, it's boot camp.

35 If I had a son, he would dupe like the old man.

36 I'll check it again later.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 05:37 PM (piMMO)

 

YOU LIE!!

37 Obama has  a couple of tells when he lies. He looks down at his hands, not at the teleprompter. Then he takes a breath and looks up and speaks. It's like he's gathering himself before he lets a big lie go. Then, as soon as he utters it, he gets a small smile on his face, no matter how serious the lie.

38

I know the SCOAMT has said his ears are off limits.

 

Has he ever said anything about that huge mole on his face? Or his enormous scalp scar?

 

God, he's so weird. I can't believe that people feel for him for all this time.

39 One doesn't have to look for tale-tale signs that he is lying. Every time he opens his mouth a vomits out a lie.

40 brb, messin with Wilson

41 Watch the press conference where Obama is taking questions on whether it was a cheap shot to say Romney would not have given the order to get OBL.

JSchuler, this one?  At 2:16.  http://tinyurl.com/7nvrmy7

42 Hmmm,  so when I am polite/passive and don't call someone on being so full of shit its spilling out their mouth I am reinforcing their destructive habit?  Oh well,  its not my job to save them.  I will speak up when family or friend is going to money/time/emotional energy when they believe a lie; but just to let a liar know they aren't fooling me? Nope, not going to spend my energy calling them out. 

43 Was Pamela Meyer born in Kenya too?

44 I read the title as Dubbing Delight and thought this asshole president went on a late night show and did a cheesy rap song.

45 Nope, not going to spend my energy calling them out.

Same here.  I just walk away and make a mental note to avoid any interactions with that person completely in the future.

46 Augh.  "going to INVEST money/time....."  I hate when I fail basic proof reading. 

47 Maybe that is why Jimmy Carter's smiles at seemingly inappropriate moments were so creepy to me.  He would be smiling while describing some very serious things.  I believed at the time he was just one of those people who smiles when he's nervous or stressed as I once knew someone else like that.

48 "I am a complete zero, and yet they've made me their king! No background, no education, no experience. Nothing. It's awesome!"

49 hey-oh, Purple Avenger, someone recently said it would be nice if we had a DIY advice thread on Sundays or whenever. Along time ago you did a post on wiring an old house and it generated a lot of tips and ideas. Would be worth considering to do another post like once in a while.

50 I can't believe Obama has the cajones to tell the EU to chill on the austerity measures.


WTF does he know about a "strong growth agenda"?

51

 .....Or his enormous scalp scar?

God, he's so weird. I can't believe that people fell for him for all this time.

 

Posted by: Palandine at May 19, 2012 05:41 PM (g7D8V)

 

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That enormous scalp scar is weird, isn't it? .....If a Republican president had a big, visable, unexplained scar  on their head  like that....the leftist media would be talking about it...every. damn. day. 

 

60 Minutes would be doing specials about it. ...."What is the President's Scar From?" ...."Is He Fit To Lead?"

52 45 Nope, not going to spend my energy calling them out.

I wish I had a just a nickle for every time so joker at the VFW or AVets told me they made a combat jump in Vietnam with the 101st AB.   Would have paid my bar bill for a few years.

53 When you're really cool you scratch your face and flip people off on national television.

54 Preakness going to start soon on NBC for those who care...

55 When you're really cool you scratch your face and flip people off on national television.


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Just thinking of that can still make me fly into a rage.

56 Chess thread is up. Let's populate it.

57 Chess thread up

58 There is absolutely NOTHING I can contribute to a chess thread, other than astonishment.

59 NDH....I can contribute LESS than you.

60 this word 'contribute' ...it confuses me

61 45 Nope, not going to spend my energy calling them out.

Same here. I just walk away and make a mental note to avoid any interactions with that person completely in the future.     Which is probably why  so many people refuse to acknowledge that they ever knew Barky.     They've learned their lesson, and aren't willing to invest any more time or energy giving the guy a second thought.     Pretty telling, that.....

62
When you're really cool you scratch your face and flip people off on national television.
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How badly does Hillary want the White House in 2016 for her to work for him after that? Party loyalty my ass.

63 NDH....I can contribute LESS than you.


*****

If we wait about 5 minutes it will be completely OT anyway.

64

I like chess pie.

65 I ought a 12 oz bottle of coke yesterday.... a GLASS bottle.

I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it.

66 Robert Browning

My first thought was, he lied in every word,
That hoary cripple, with malicious eye
 Askance to watch the working of his lie
On mine, and mouth scarce able to afford
Suppression of the glee, that pursed and scored
Its edge, at one more victim gained thereby.

67 I wish I had a just a nickle for every time so joker at the VFW or AVets told me they made a combat jump in Vietnam with the 101st AB.

Ask'em if they know what a Capewell or PLF is.  If they don't, then you know they're full of shit.

68 It's hard to use this technique on Obama. He doesn't have many tells because he never tells the truth.

69
Duuuude, that horse just won by a neck in the last, like, two seconds. What a race.

70 I am surprised no one has mentioned Obama's biggest tell.  Just listen for the word "unprecedented" and you know he is lying.

Michelle: Where have you been Barry.
Barky: I just had a meeting with the new French president and came to an unprecedented understanding regarding our cheese trade.
Michelle:  Bitch, please!

"Let me be perfectly clear" is what he says when he wants to rub it in your face.

71 "I ought a 12 oz bottle of coke yesterday.... a GLASS bottle.
I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it."


I like how Pepsi is putting real sugar in thier Pepsi and Mt. Dew throwback stuff. It's like someone is giving all the nanny staters a big fuck you.

72
Duuuude, that horse just won by a neck in the last, like, two seconds. What a race.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley
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I take that back. I think it was the last half-second. Tense.

73 The small bottles of Coke are stronger than the large bottles of Coke, according to my late great Uncle. Of course he was wrong.

74
I like how Pepsi is putting real sugar in thier Pepsi and Mt. Dew throwback stuff. It's like someone is giving all the nanny staters a big fuck you.


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My guess is that sugar is now less expensive than corn syrup.

75 It's hard to use this technique on Obama. He doesn't have many tells because he never tells the truth.


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there is no baseline.

76 #41 rdbrewer That's the one. When I first saw it he looked like the cat that had just swallowed the canary.

77 Look for the "tells"....

VERY noticeable now:    http://bit.ly/WvEt

78 I used to call it the "get over" culture, as in "getting over on" someone, or manipulating, tricking, or beating them in some fashion. I noticed it was becoming a youth lifestyle to lie (even for no reason), try to con people, etc., probably because it gives someone pathetic some minor feeling of power and control.

79 The problem with sticking Obama in this category is that he actually believes his own bullshit. It's not the same thing. I just haven't seen the same look when when he's bullshitting someone. If anything instead of getting a kick out of other people believing his own bullshit, he's apoplectic that people don't believe his bullshit. Now Joe Biden on the other hand...

80 VERY noticeable now: http://bit.ly/WvEt
Posted by: Niedermeyer's

Yea, well, obvious of course. But I'm going through some vids of his, and it seems he deadens his delivery of things that would cause him to lie.

81 punchline:

He puts it in Olive Oyl.

82 There is absolutely NOTHING I can contribute to a chess thread, other than astonishment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:04 PM (piMMO)

I am surprised it can stay on topic.  Hell, we can't keep the book thread on topic and everyone can contribute to that.

83

77  Look for the "tells"....

 

Yup. He acts like a punk....and people voted for him anyway.

 

I've noticed that he raises his eyebrows and tilts his head when he is spewing forth a particularly bold-faced whopper. ....But then, as many have said....he lies about everything all the time, and as you mentioned, NDH....there is no baseline, for determining if he is ever telling the truth.

84 O/T, but my other favorite blog is MichellesMirror, and a commenter just said that she see references to SCOMF, and always wondered what it meant, so she went to google. Evidently Google does not credit Ace, but they do say what it stands for.

85 I like how Pepsi is putting real sugar in thier Pepsi and Mt. Dew throwback stuff. It's like someone is giving all the nanny staters a big fuck you. I'm in Tucson and am able to get Coke Hecho en Mexico where they use sugar, and in bottle too. A great treat.

86 Today is Armed Forces Day. Bless those that keep us safe.

87 You want to know how to tell Obama is lying?

His lips are moving.

88 "My guess is that sugar is now less expensive than corn syrup."
Its pretty close these days. Mexican coca cola has always had real cane sugar in it, and its better.
What always gives me the creeps with President Obama are his dead eyes. There's no life to them, almost no expression whatsoever. I really do think the man is clinically insane. Functional, but insane.

89 How me know when Lizzy 'Liawatha' Warren is lying ???

Her lips move....

Come to think of it, much truth with every Democrat I see...

90 http://tinyurl.com/6szu7n6

The Obama Administration of basketball!

91 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

92 Ok.. first of all.. there is no way I could play a game of poker like that. I would be so freaked out by the amount of money...my body language would give me away. My ex husband was the biggest liar I have ever met. SCOAMF reminds me of him. Sociopath. I have all kinds of body language/how to tell a liar books.. use to help me when I was in sales.

93 I'll Have Another won another one!

94 When I did a tour on recruiting for the Navy, occasionally some kid would say 'You're lying to get me to join the Navy'. I'd reply 'Kid, if you are stupid enough to believe a lie, I don't want you in my Navy. Join the Army. They need stupid guys'. OK, before everybody gets their dander up, as a Seabee I served around all branches and respected them all. Even drank with them. And that ain't no lie.

95 I call his "tell" his Urkel Face. Did I do dat????

96 Trust your instincts Luke, you know when somebody is lying to you despite the statistics. Statistics of the Dark Side, Unemployment, Favorable Ratings, Fuel Costs, Bernanke is Good, Tim Geitner is Good, Arab Spring Good, Socialism Good, Government Health Care Good, Abortions All Good, Behavioral Modifications Good , See all the goodness...

97

EROWMER,

"OK, before everybody gets their dander up, as a Seabee I served around all branches and respected them all..."

 Even the Coast Guard?

98 The coasties get into some shit with regularity dealing with the drug runners and such.  They've also had vessels sent into war zones to backup the Navy

99

A good cigar, a good scotch, a good game of poker.

Much duping delight will transpire.

100 The coasties get into some shit with regularity dealing with the drug runners and such. They've also had vessels sent into war zones to backup the Navy Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 07:49 PM (AWrMW) You gotta respect a service whose unofficial motto is "You have go out. You don't have to come back"

101 Look, there's no need to beat around the bush: Obama's a psychopath.

Lying for kicks is a cardinal psychopathic trait.

Fortunately, it does not well end for most psychopaths and it will not end well for Obama.

102
#ObamaYachtNames Fa Q I 1

103 I can barely tolerate liars.....  like I can't tolerate devils' argument argue-ers'.... arguing for the sake of arguing...  my brothers used to do this a lot

104 >>I ought a 12 oz bottle of coke yesterday.... a GLASS bottle.
I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it."



The Home Depot stores here have 12 oz glass bottles in the coolers next to the contractor checkouts with a sign calling it Mexican Coca Cola

...and I'm in Ohio

105 103

We must have the same brother.

106 I have a cousin who is a complete pathological lair.  The guys lies even when the truth would be more favorable to him.  He's also a total criminal and would rob anybody or anything.  He even robbed the Boy Scouts aluminum can drive stash.

107 Geez ....Ted Talks...aka Sapling Foundation. Talk about deception...consider the source. What she says is nothing new. Let's not cite leftist media outlets OK?

108 Home run RD Brewer!!!! Great post!

109 What "duping delight" might look like - SLIDE #9

Brett Kimberlin enjoying his bomber notoriety

110 An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill, BuzzFeed has learned. The amendment would “strike the current ban on domestic dissemination” of propaganda material produced by the State Department and the Pentagon, according to the summary of the law at the House Rules Committee's official website. The tweak to the bill would essentially neutralize two previous acts—the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act in 1987—that had been passed to protect U.S. audiences from our own government’s misinformation campaigns.

111 i find a lot of cops are pathological liars and really entire burocracies are long-term super pathological liars. If you know that then its ok, but..,

112 An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill

Meh, its been going on for decades already. 

The best propaganda is almost completely true, but with only small elements omitted.  In terms of the gross lies the Obama administration has been hawking, some quality propaganda would result in a significant upgrade in truth percentages.

113 Obama's not a psychopath. He's a high-functioning sociopath. /

114 The narcissism sociopathology is essentially untreatable too. 

There's some behavioral training techniques that try to get the narcissist to a point where they can recognize a situations where they need to fake empathy and normal response, but they don't actually feel it.  Its still all an act.

115 I hear Barry Bonds had his own version, "doping delight."

116 "Liar in Chief."  Well, that's one way to put it.  And now that many voters are reaching the same conclusion, Obama's already begun to blame them.  Now I wonder how that might turn out ...   http://bit.ly/qVdDUt

117 Purple Avenger: exactly, its like psychopaths. You can get them to mimic ordinary people and function in society, but you can't fix them any more than you can "fix" a deaf person by teaching them sign language. They are irreparably damaged, and in a way far worse than deafness.

118 He doesn't lie.  It's those others who make "fact checking errors."

119

My little sister, the youngest in our family stayed out of the family troubles, more or less, by flying under the radar screen and being inoffensive and really cute.  The few times she got into trouble, she lied and lied and lied and lay down in her room and cried until our folks went in to her and soothed her and made her feel better.  She never, ever confessed anything, and she always got away with every transgression.  Our parents rewarded her lying by letting her off the hook whenever she was in trouble.

I was the only pretty consistent truth teller in our family, and it never got me anything but grief.  We were a very troubled "perfect" family, and I was always in trouble for surfacing one or another of our problems which always had to be denied and covered up at all cost.  If I surfaced a problem, I got blamed for "causing" it.

As the years went by, and we grew up, my little sister lied more and more.  She would call me on the phone and tell me longwinded stories that I knew could not be, and were not, true. 

Sadly, my sister, a heavy drinker, and on several liver-damaging meds for rheumatoid arthritis, began to experience liver problems, and she eventually died at 55 years of age.  Many of them seemed focussed on getting back at the kids she grew up with and went through school with, who I guess she thought never treated her right.

Our relationship had deteriorated due to her lying, her drinking, and also her growing, disturbing fascination with evil and obsession with all kinds of sexual behavior.  We had not been communicating and I did not know how ill she was since she lived several states away from me.

When she died, her husband and son blamed me for not keeping up with her, and they still do. I did visit her toward the end, but got very little time to spend with her, as her son arrived, and he hates me terribly, so I had to leave.

 I don't think her family realizes that so much of what she told them about her past was lies.  Or maybe they don't even care.  I suspect that she told them a lot of lies about me, too.

There is no way I can ever explain this history to my brother-in-law and nephew.  I believe that it would be cruel to try, and so I will not attempt to re-establish our relationship.  This is the lasting damage that chronic liars, especially those in troubled families, do.  What a mess.

 

120 8 I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.


Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)


He likes that even better. He knows he's lying. We know he's lying. He knows that we know he's lying. And he still gets away with it, over and over. This is what Barky REALLY loves.

Anyone can tell a good lie to someone who can't figure it out, but only a real dick with total power can tell a transparent lie to someone who knows better and still get away with it with the target demuring from even saying it's a lie. It's a truly severe demonstration of power while forcing total submission by the audience in the process. This is what the sickest and most dangerous individuals do.

I've been saying this about Barky since the primaries. It's bad, bad stuff.


Right - malignant narcissist - I didn't have the terminology until I read robin of berkeley:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/nzqkxo

121

@Ace: "It happens a lot"???

Ummm....NO....it happens almost every time he opens his mouth to speak to us...he lies because HE is a lie, everything about him is a lie, everything about his past is a lie, everything about his core beliefs is a lie, everything about barak hussien obama is bullshit, from the day he was born to the present, nothing in this mans world is real, therefore he wouldn't know the truth if were smacking him in the face...from his days in kenya, indonesia, hawaii, chitown, anywhere and everywhere...he's a walking, talking contradiction to truth...and what makes him even more dispicable is that he KNOWS it...its his ONLY defense against whats real in the world, he cannot be a part of the real world, so he's created this elaborate lie to live in order to feel welcome, apart of something he can never be a part of,  never imagining he never will be...it is the sign of a compulsive liar, narcicists and sociopaths...he couldn't tell the truth if he had to...as there's simply no truth in or to him....and for the LSM (minitrue) its far too late to call him out without themselves being complicit in the lies he's told, 'if' they didn't want to be lied to, they wouldn't have been, so...(one of my core beliefs is  people allow themselves to be treated exactly as they are treated, by everyone in their world) the bigger question now becomes why would they want to be lied to and why would they allow such a pathetic nothing to be the one lying to them, and by extension, us...there's going to come a reckoning, folks, there always is...and when it finally comes out that not only did he bald face lie to every man, woman and child in this country, WITH the medias assistance, there IS going to be hell to pay!

barak hussien obama is not only a narcicist, he's a sociopath...and this narcicistic sociopath has his fingers inches away from the nuclear armaments, when sociopaths are cuaght, they take the 'destroy everything' way out...theres no other option for them, to admit the truth is to reign down hell on your own head, to involve everyone else, for them, at least spreads the misery around and deflects the misery elsewhere!

 

IF he wins this next election, America as we've known it is through!!! There can be no going back without every person who voted for him admitting they allowed themselves to be lied to....aren't many who can accept that kind of guilt and learn from it, not anymore!