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February 16, 2014

Early Evening Open Thread
— Ace

Just a thread to freshen up the blog.

Posted by: Ace at 04:23 PM | Comments (223)
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1
First to the taco!

Posted by: Ellen Page at February 16, 2014 04:24 PM (nQjHM)

2 Is this a Febreeze moment?

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 16, 2014 04:25 PM (+1T7c)

3 I don't think this post goes with those lemurs on fire over there.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 16, 2014 04:25 PM (Gk3SS)

4 Smells nice and fresh. Like a Summer's Eve.

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 04:25 PM (eQJwb)

5 Somebody please put on the brakes. This Obama guy is crazy.

Posted by: Caliban at February 16, 2014 04:26 PM (2ArJQ)

6 Someone toss out a topic so we can shoot at it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 04:28 PM (XnALK)

7 And in what sense is this "early evening"? I go to bed in about an hour. Stupid job.

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 04:28 PM (eQJwb)

8 I've "given it a rest" and now I'm refreshed!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 16, 2014 04:28 PM (Dwehj)

9 I heard that there was a blog going on around here somewhere..

:wq!

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at February 16, 2014 04:29 PM (SS8WM)

10 Hi all, long time no see.

Posted by: Guido at February 16, 2014 04:29 PM (yICtd)

11 Someone toss out a topic so we can shoot at it. Posted by: D-Lamp Rap music. Is is here to stay or just a passing fad?

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 16, 2014 04:29 PM (+1T7c)

12 First to the taco!

Posted by: Ellen Page at February 16, 2014 08:24 PM (nQjHM)

1) No you're not.

2) I give it five years.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 16, 2014 04:31 PM (lr3d7)

13 I saw Ace open for the ONT at the Palladium in 2014.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 16, 2014 04:31 PM (oFCZn)

14 >>>Someone toss out a topic so we can shoot at it. Crossbows vs. Longbows. .45 vs. 9mm vs. .40S&W. The War of Northern Aggression. That oughta do it.

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 04:31 PM (eQJwb)

15
Rove grows a set of balls to defend Christie and the blogosphere isn't impressed. Well, I wasn't impressed either.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at February 16, 2014 04:31 PM (nQjHM)

16 Topic: Olympic coverage is SO MUCH BETTER without Bob Costas.

:wq!

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at February 16, 2014 04:32 PM (SS8WM)

17 Rap music. Is is here to stay or just a passing fad? Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 16, 2014 08:29 PM I happen to have the very first rap record--Gil Scott Heron's "The Last Poets." Nobody can actually listen to it, but it's great conversation piece!

Posted by: Caliban at February 16, 2014 04:32 PM (2ArJQ)

18 Is there any good news out there? Anything? Anywhere? Hell, lie to me if you must. Please?

Posted by: CMU VET at February 16, 2014 04:32 PM (ejB0r)

19 Rap music..watching a culture crash and burn.

Posted by: Guido at February 16, 2014 04:32 PM (yICtd)

20 I'm down here in the Miami area visiting my GF. It's very unsnowy here. Is Charlie Crist running for Senate or something? Does he have a chance?

You know, it's pretty hard to fight for anything down here except, perhaps, a hot woman...

Posted by: @ParisParamus at February 16, 2014 04:32 PM (xRjBO)

21
Rap music. Is is here to stay or just a passing fad?

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 16, 2014 08:29 PM (+1T7c)

If we postulate the burning, we can presume it will last till that starts.

How far away is that? I dunno, I shouldn't be surprised if it starts this year.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 04:32 PM (XnALK)

22 I don't get cable, so in order to watch the Olympics, I must watch network broadcasting.

So for the past two hours, NBC has been showing a lengthy cross country ski relay that the United States isn't even hopeful of being competitive in. Of all the events they could be showing, the geniuses at NBC sports programming chose this.

They're not even phoning it in. They might as well as be showing a test pattern.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 16, 2014 04:33 PM (fTJ5O)

23 Speaking of rap, listening to the Finnish hockey players names made me wonder if Eminem is Finnish.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 16, 2014 04:33 PM (g4TxM)

24 Rap music. Is is here to stay or just a passing fad? Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 16, 2014 08:29 PM (+1T7c) It's here to stay. I'll even tell you the next big star - IceJJFish! http://tinyurl.com/owgooso Tell me you'd rather listen to a cat orgy underneath your window than those fine beats,

Posted by: Thrawn at February 16, 2014 04:33 PM (WlWt+)

25 Rove, cripes, if I'd been pounding brewskis all night and saw him on fire, I'd still ask around for a ladies room. When I say "let it burn," I'm pretty much thinking of him and his sorry ilk as kindling.

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:33 PM (8lmkt)

26 Skeet - Rifle or scatter gun? I use a rifle.

Posted by: Barky at February 16, 2014 04:33 PM (aDwsi)

27 Rove defends the Great White Whale of Establishment Republican electoral hopes of 2016. .....zzzzzzzzz....... Quelle Suprise. Next, you'll probably tell me he was talking up Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 16, 2014 04:34 PM (+1T7c)

28 So this is like the "little trees" aka the Christmas tree hanging from the brother's taxi? http://tinyurl.com/m8r738y They do mask the smell of an old cab/thread? The vanilla is my favorite!

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 04:34 PM (0FSuD)

29
The War of Northern Aggression.

That oughta do it.

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 08:31 PM (eQJwb)

Probably a more accurate title would be the "War to revenge the attack on Ft. Sumter. "

It has always been my opinion that the war started as a pissing contest that escalated and got out of hand.

Neither side expected the other to be so damn stubborn.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 04:34 PM (XnALK)

30
The words rap and music in the same sentence is a true oxymoron.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 16, 2014 04:35 PM (SAMxH)

31 Caliban @ 5:

Obama is so far past crazy that he can't even see crazy from where he is.

ICNH @ 16:

Olympics? They're still doing that?

Posted by: Rusty Bill at February 16, 2014 04:35 PM (lmbUA)

32 Freshen up the blog? Shouldn't it be written in blue ink then or have women's products ads been lying to me all these years?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 04:35 PM (vAnfs)

33 So for the past two hours, NBC has been showing a lengthy cross country ski relay that the United States isn't even hopeful of being competitive in. Of all the events they could be showing, the geniuses at NBC sports programming chose this. They're not even phoning it in. They might as well as be showing a test pattern. Posted by: OregonMuse at February 16, 2014 08:33 PM (fTJ5O) Ax Men is on. Shelby just drove his boat into a wasps nest with his buyer on board.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 16, 2014 04:35 PM (bCEmE)

34 Remember when rock music was popular?

Good times.

Posted by: Iasonas at February 16, 2014 04:36 PM (FHNkr)

35 >>>So for the past two hours, NBC has been showing a lengthy cross country ski relay that the United States isn't even hopeful of being competitive in. Of all the events they could be showing, the geniuses at NBC sports programming chose this. Huh. I've got ice dancing, so you win. Especially if its a women's event. Those broads are smoking.

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 04:37 PM (eQJwb)

36 I will only celebrate Washington's birthday tomorrow by working. Lincoln was a tyrant.

Posted by: CMU VET at February 16, 2014 04:37 PM (ejB0r)

37 I am going to the gym. see y'all later.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 04:37 PM (rDidD)

38 Content free Sundays @ AOSHQ are gonna drive me to watch more cat videos.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 16, 2014 04:37 PM (kqGWM)

39 Speaking of Rove, a few months ago my wife told me her theory that he was going to be the behind-the-scenes king maker for the near future.

I laughed out loud.

:wq!

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at February 16, 2014 04:37 PM (SS8WM)

40 Oh yeah, Peaches!

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 04:38 PM (rDidD)

41 WE'RE #7! U S A! U S A!

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 16, 2014 04:38 PM (30eLQ)

42 Tell me you'd rather listen to a cat orgy underneath your window than those fine beats. Posted by: Thrawn Well, let's hear it for that cat orgy.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 16, 2014 04:38 PM (+1T7c)

43 I will only celebrate Washington's birthday tomorrow by working. Lincoln was a tyrant. ---------------- I will celebrate Washington's birthday, on the 22nd, which is like, you know....., his birthday. I'm quaint like that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:38 PM (aDwsi)

44 This does seem fresh!

Posted by: Seems legit at February 16, 2014 04:39 PM (A98Xu)

45 oh, hai, so teh plastic jeebus has been in Califuckya and, between cheating at golf, he's been weighing in on the "drought" (which doesn't really exist). He said that Califuckya provides a lotta food for the rest of you fappers and that "all working Americans" should care. I guess they have a secret stash for all those food stamp fuckers, right?? Then he said he would throw some money at the farmers for water. What, they're going to Costco and buy flats of Sparkletts? How will that work?

Ah, don't mind me, I'm easily irked.

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:39 PM (8lmkt)

46 2 man bobsled

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at February 16, 2014 04:40 PM (MZDn3)

47 I got a documentary special on the Hittites at the used-book-place. squee!

Made in 2004, so hopefully not *too* dated. I might check the map to ensure they put Sapinuwa at Ortakoy. The focus seems to be on the battle at Qadesh though.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 16, 2014 04:40 PM (30eLQ)

48 Thanks Ace. Your horde had to put up with song parodies in the last open thread. I apologize if readership is down. Worst thing was that Carol thought that the were original poems. I never thought that I'd be called a poet. But my feet really show it' They're Longfellows. Tip the waitresses.

Posted by: seamrog at February 16, 2014 04:40 PM (S4RNz)

49 My new nominee for best song ever? Doc Watson singing 'Summertime'.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 16, 2014 04:40 PM (g4TxM)

50 The words rap and music in the same sentence is a true oxymoron. Posted by: irongrampa I considered that, but wanted to stir up a meaningless bit of snark.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 16, 2014 04:41 PM (+1T7c)

51 Peaches: did he say anything about not fucking over the farmers on behalf of the delta-smelt, or not fucking over the white and black working-class on behalf of the illegal invaders?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 16, 2014 04:41 PM (30eLQ)

52 18 Is there any good news out there? Anything? Anywhere? Hell, lie to me if you must. Please? Posted by: CMU VET at February 16, 2014 08:32 PM (ejB0r) I liked this story about a pair of reunited twins: http://tinyurl.com/ltpyqfn Score one for the culture of life.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 16, 2014 04:41 PM (TGgNi)

53 A Finnish hockey player walks into a bar and the bartender says, "What is this---a Jokinen?"

Do I Getzlaf with that one, Seamus?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 04:42 PM (vAnfs)

54 song parodies in the last open thread.

no one will like me after I say this, but I fuckin' hate that shit. I like you okay, but those long, tedious, self-indulgent posts, well, isn't that why we have a barrel?

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:42 PM (8lmkt)

55 My trombone is getting rusty .. again.

Posted by: Chamuco at February 16, 2014 04:42 PM (qQk+U)

56 @ 41 WE'RE #7! U S A! U S A!

---

Yeah, in Obamamerica we can't even be competitive in the Olympics. (But at least they weren't held in Chicago!)

:wq!

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at February 16, 2014 04:42 PM (SS8WM)

57 boulder - 2004? Hitites? How dated could it be? I mean, I wouldn't expect any late-breaking news in the last 10 years or so.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:42 PM (aDwsi)

58 I had no idea who Ellen Page was,now I have no idea who she is but know she's a lesbian.

Posted by: steevy at February 16, 2014 04:42 PM (zqvg6)

59 bth, he did not (to my very limited knowledge, actually saw it at all purely by accident) mention those little fuckin' insects, the delta smelt. although, i'm sure they vote for him, as a bloc.

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:43 PM (8lmkt)

60 Do teen girls still wear those wrist flower things? Kid has his military ball Saturday and I'm somehow in charge of getting his date flowers.

Posted by: NCKate at February 16, 2014 04:43 PM (1FoIf)

61 "Lincoln was a tyrant."

A great deal of the extraconstitutional executive maneuvering in which Obama engages was originally pioneered by Lincoln. Sad to say.

Really, if you start tracing the roots of the modern American "welfare-warfare state", it's startling how many of them lead back to Old Abe.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 16, 2014 04:43 PM (gqT4g)

62 36 I will only celebrate Washington's birthday tomorrow by working. Lincoln was a tyrant.

Posted by: CMU VET at February 16, 2014 08:37 PM (ejB0r)

I have been slowly moving towards that opinion for a couple of decades. Now i'm pretty much there.

Found out a lot of stuff I didn't know about Lincoln over the years.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 04:44 PM (XnALK)

63 Andy canuck- Olie Canole! Team Canada seems to be shaping up nicely in the tournament.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 16, 2014 04:44 PM (g4TxM)

64 if i ever saw a delta smelt in my apartment, i would squish it. then i would laugh. then i would get a paper towel and clean up the guts.

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:44 PM (8lmkt)

65 Probably a more accurate title would be the "War to revenge the attack on Ft. Sumter. " SC had left the union and asked Lincoln to remove his troops from SC sovereign territory. They were given time to leave. Lincoln told SC to go fuck itself. SC troops then destroyed Ft Sumter, but allowed the troops to surrender. The North immediately invaded VA at Bulls Run, where they got their asses kicked and they ran back to DC. The South never entered Union territory until Gettysburg. If you Yankees had stayed home, all of this shit now would not be going on, and YOU would be living in the South. Are you glad you won?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 04:44 PM (0FSuD)

66 Good news: going to get up to the 30's this week.
Bad news: 6" of globall warmening tomorrow.
I miss arizona at times like these.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 16, 2014 04:45 PM (qyoyx)

67 Crossbows vs. Longbows. .45 vs. 9mm vs. .40S&W. The War of Northern Aggression. Crossbow .40 S and W The wrong outcome. And that isn't that the south should have won the war but should have been allowed to succeed.

Posted by: Dendritic at February 16, 2014 04:45 PM (8Z8Vp)

It has always been my opinion that the war started as a pissing contest that escalated and got out of hand.
Neither side expected the other to be so damn stubborn.

How many times could we use this phrase to describe the real reason behind a war?

Posted by: PMRich at February 16, 2014 04:45 PM (KDUNf)

69 @ 51 Peaches: did he say anything about not fucking over the farmers on behalf of the delta-smelt, or not fucking over the white and black working-class on behalf of the illegal invaders?

---

Yeah, sure he did!

:wq!

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at February 16, 2014 04:45 PM (SS8WM)

70 My new nominee for best song ever? Doc Watson singing 'Summertime'. Posted by: Seamus ------------------- You just have never heard me singing "Minnie the Moocher", in the shower, after a couple of beers. It's breathtaking, Mrs. Hammer tells me.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:45 PM (aDwsi)

71 #58 It's even worse than that, steevy, as she actually (first!) came out years and years ago.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 04:45 PM (vAnfs)

72 You guys just may have summoned Vic ..

Posted by: Chamuco at February 16, 2014 04:46 PM (qQk+U)

73 After seeing Benn & Crosby on the same line I kept looking for Bob Hope.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 16, 2014 04:46 PM (g4TxM)

74 Good news: going to get up to the 30's this week.
Bad news: 6" of globall warmening tomorrow.

we're headed for 80 again (although later in the week). they thought we might have 2 seconds of wimpy rain, but now they say that dream has died. it's utterly ridiculous. the weird thing is, I love (LOVE) snow, and even I would be going batshit crazy by now with what y'all are going through.

i should stfu, talking too much, sorry

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:46 PM (8lmkt)

75 Not so fresh any more.

Posted by: freaked at February 16, 2014 04:47 PM (JdEZJ)

76 The North immediately invaded VA at Bulls Run, where they got their asses kicked and they ran back to DC. The South never entered Union territory until Gettysburg. --------------------- And that's when the fight started.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:47 PM (aDwsi)

77 I missed this on the book-thread but:

Kaiser Bill? What an imbecile.

Turns out he'd sent over some saboteurs in 1915 to the US, disguised as homegrown anarchists (America did have some of those). It didn't work (http://tinyurl.com/munhyb4), like the Zimmerman Telegram didn't work. And like sinking the Lusitania was stupid (just board the ship if it's got munitions in it, I mean, come on).

The Kaiser's dirty-tricks project worked a lot better against the Russkies, inflicting Communism on them.

What sucks hardest is that, if the Kaiser hadn't been a complete buffoon, otherwise Germany was in the right in WW1. At least, Germany / Austria had a legitimate beef against the Serbs and the Tsar. But the Kaiser had to keep pissing off the Americans and, well, you know the rest.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 16, 2014 04:47 PM (30eLQ)

78 Well, MUMR got his wish in that the next thread wasn't CAC's thread

Posted by: The Dude at February 16, 2014 04:47 PM (bStrg)

79 Presidents Day, my ass!
Get Lincoln's and Washington's birthdays back to separate, paid holidays!

Posted by: homer simpson at February 16, 2014 04:47 PM (vAnfs)

80 oh yeah, quick question. if someone said "you guys - meaning the firm - are the 800 pound gorilla in your field" would y'all be offended? I said it the other day and some silly woman was all offended.I was gonna follow up with something about their firm's reputation for being niggardly but I thought I should probably quit while I was behind.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 04:47 PM (rDidD)

81 Do teen girls still wear those wrist flower things? ---- My sister did, last year. The wrist corsage, instead of the kind made to be pinned to the chest, spares everyone some awkwardness.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at February 16, 2014 04:48 PM (TIle2)

82 54 peaches self-indulgent ?

Posted by: seamrog at February 16, 2014 04:48 PM (S4RNz)

83 60 Do teen girls still wear those wrist flower things? Kid has his military ball Saturday and I'm somehow in charge of getting his date flowers. Posted by: NCKate at February 16, 2014 08:43 PM (1FoIf) As of last year's prom they did. And they're darned expensive.

Posted by: CharlieCharlie at February 16, 2014 04:48 PM (Lq3k4)

84 >>>Posted by: Dendritic at February 16, 2014 08:45 PM GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 04:48 PM (eQJwb)

85 80 oh yeah, quick question. if someone said "you guys - meaning the firm - are the 800 pound gorilla in your field" would y'all be offended? I said it the other day and some silly woman was all offended.I was gonna follow up with something about their firm's reputation for being niggardly but I thought I should probably quit while I was behind. Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 08:47 PM (rDidD) I would take that as a complement. As in, 'you're a force to be reckoned with.'

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 16, 2014 04:48 PM (bCEmE)

86 WTF is going on at the site? My computer keeps showing it's loading and loading and loading?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 04:49 PM (0FSuD)

87 One day I was wandering through the Hard Rock Cafe in Las Vegas, and spotted a restaurant called "The Pink Taco." I thought it an odd name for a restaurant, a food-dye-imbued tortilla not seeming very appetizing, and it was a full two weeks later that I stopped in my tracks and thought: Oh. That's what they meant.

Posted by: Splunge at February 16, 2014 04:49 PM (qyomX)

88 Presidents Day, my ass! Get Lincoln's and Washington's birthdays back to separate, paid holidays! Posted by: homer ------------------ The holiday is *still* in celebration of George Washington's birthday. It is so recorded in the Federal Register. It is the *media* that have promoted it as 'Presidents Day', not the Feds.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:49 PM (aDwsi)

89 Thanks, guys. Guess I'll be hitting the florist tomorrow.

Posted by: NCKate at February 16, 2014 04:49 PM (1FoIf)

90 My new nominee for best song ever? Doc Watson singing 'Summertime'. **** Billie Holiday's version of Stormy Weather http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIgVCU19pjg

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2014 04:49 PM (DmNpO)

91 Hammer: there was a brouhahah about the discovery of a secondary (or tertiary) Hittite capital at Sapinuwa / Ortakoy, late 1990s. But the archive was shattered, Dead-Sea-Scrolls style, so they've been super-slow at getting useful data from it.

We probably know as much now as we did in 2004.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 16, 2014 04:50 PM (30eLQ)

92 WTF is going on at the site? My computer keeps showing it's loading and loading and loading? Posted by: Nip Sip --------------------- You have angered the Yankee internetz controllers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:50 PM (aDwsi)

93 'sup

Posted by: toby928© is baffled by noun verb relationships at February 16, 2014 04:50 PM (QupBk)

94 self-indulgent ?

Posted by: seamrog at February 16, 2014 08:48 PM (S4RNz)

NOT YOU!!!! Just in general . . .

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:50 PM (8lmkt)

95 who's ready for some *freezing rain* ..damn I hate ice .

Posted by: grease monkey at February 16, 2014 04:50 PM (qQk+U)

96
Well Steevy, now you know who I am, and in the future I won't have to ask you "don't you know who I am?"

Just remember, I'm the movie star with the hairy lips!

Posted by: Ellen Page at February 16, 2014 04:50 PM (nQjHM)

97 WTF is going on at the site? My computer keeps showing it's loading and loading and loading?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 08:49 PM (0FSuD)

Mine was doing that last week, I was concerned. Then it stopped and has been fine ever since.

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:51 PM (8lmkt)

98 Nip Sip, my phone has been doing that for weeks and only here.

Posted by: NCKate at February 16, 2014 04:51 PM (1FoIf)

99 I said it the other day and some silly woman was all offended.I was gonna follow up with something about their firm's reputation for being niggardly but I thought I should probably quit while I was behind. Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 08:47 PM (rDidD) Good idea, no sense having an LIV report you for being "racist". http://tinyurl.com/6xlynv

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 04:51 PM (0FSuD)

100 boulder - Aha....., so possibly, late-breaking news..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:51 PM (aDwsi)

101
Really, if you start tracing the roots of the modern American "welfare-warfare state", it's startling how many of them lead back to Old Abe.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 16, 2014 08:43 PM (gqT4g)

Yeah, it was a revelation to me. I went to Lincoln Grade school, and all my life I had heard what a great man Lincoln was.

Oddly enough, my best friend (who is black) was a history major, and he put me on to Lincoln as being a clever schemer who more or less engineered how the war started. Over the years, I learned more and more about Lincoln, and I came away with a very different picture of the man from what I grew up with.

Yup. The start of the Leviathan Federal beast began with Lincoln.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 04:51 PM (XnALK)

102 And crashing every day. While here.

Posted by: NCKate at February 16, 2014 04:51 PM (1FoIf)

103 Now if you're done feeling me up, that's for my wrist.

Posted by: dr. amy farrah-fowler at February 16, 2014 04:52 PM (vAnfs)

104 My sister did, last year. The wrist corsage, instead of the kind made to be pinned to the chest, spares everyone some awkwardness. Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at February I hadda really awkward moment at my first prom. my date was wearing a strapless dress and I was having a some trouble pinning her corsage on. Where do you put your hand without touching too much, how far down can you put your hand so you can get a good grip and everything. I found,and my advice is, that it is easier if instead of trying to pin the corsage on by putting a finger or two behind the dress it is better if you simply come up from below.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 04:52 PM (rDidD)

105 The holiday is *still* in celebration of George Washington's birthday. It is so recorded in the Federal Register. It is the *media* that have promoted it as 'Presidents Day', not the Feds. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 08:49 PM (aDwsi) IÂ’m willing to bet one of TFGÂ’s media whores will try to make it all about him! Mike Hammer I almost watched a movie on TCM with Liz Taylor & I think Paul Newman but I saw it was a T. Williams one & put the podcast back on. I was listening in my car.

Posted by: Carol at February 16, 2014 04:52 PM (z4WKX)

106 I'm off to Downton Abbey. Ring Carson for drinks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:52 PM (aDwsi)

107 anybody got any spare bacon? cooked only, please. extra-crispy, if you got it

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:52 PM (8lmkt)

108 #85 It would depend on whether any one of the people you were addressing were black. You can say that a black person has the personal attraction of a gravity well, but you can't say that they have the personal attraction of a black hole.

Posted by: Jack at February 16, 2014 04:52 PM (gWHwW)

109 You have angered the Yankee internetz controllers. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 08:50 PM (aDwsi) OH SHIT! Next thing you know the NSA, HQ Maryland, will be on my ass, again.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 04:53 PM (0FSuD)

110 Carol - Likely Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Nothing cheerful there.....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 04:53 PM (aDwsi)

111 As far as the medal count thing,yeah,I root for the US to win but what does it really mean?After all ,the commie block did really well in the olympics,often dominating,they still went into the dustbin.Norway,what the hell else do they have besides winter sports and female marathon runners?

Posted by: steevy at February 16, 2014 04:53 PM (zqvg6)

112 On the 45 vs 40 cal. I'd love a real quality 1911 but I shot the shit out of my 40 SW P91 Ruger that I could afford.

Posted by: Dendritic at February 16, 2014 04:54 PM (8Z8Vp)

113
I'm disgusted by PIV, and prefer ladies to worship my FUPA with a toast of champagne and chocolate bon-bon's shaped like a taco.

Posted by: Ellen Page at February 16, 2014 04:54 PM (nQjHM)

114 I would take that as a complement. As in, 'you're a force to be reckoned with.' Posted by: Tami at February 16 well that is how I intended it, I guess I will have to program for the lowest common denominator when I am on the phone with her in the future. you firm is nice. you firm big.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 04:54 PM (rDidD)

115 Meh, back in the old days when I was in school we celebrated Lincoln's bday and Washington's bday --by studying them and making goofy silhouettes and so on. Maybe the USPS got a holiday on George's bday but that was it. Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 16, 2014 04:54 PM (m+nIW)

116 106 I'm off to Downton Abbey. Ring Carson for drinks. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 08:52 PM (aDwsi I don't believe I'd a told that, sweetie.

Posted by: Barney at February 16, 2014 04:55 PM (0FSuD)

117 NBCSportsPR ‏@NBCSportsPR 5h Top local markets for USA-Russia hockey on @NBCSN: Pittsburgh 9.8 rating; Boston 9.2; Buffalo 8.5; Providence 7.1 & Minny 6.9 ***** Oh yaaaa!!!! Also this is pretty good -- Drem On :USA Hockey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3pxRLLHniE

Posted by: tasker at February 16, 2014 04:55 PM (RJMhd)

118
"If you Yankees had stayed home, all of this shit now would not be going on, and YOU would be living in the South."

I always do wonder. I can find blood kin who wore blue and others who wore gray. I am still shocked at the stark violence with which family killed one another in that terrible war.

On the subject of Civil War historiography: people seem to either love or loathe this book:

http://www.amazon.com/When-Course-Human-Events-Secession/dp/0847697223

I'm in the rare middle ground. It certainly veers too far into Lost Cause mythology for my tastes. It is what I would deem not only neoconfederate, but unabashedly so.

However, it also builds a hell of a solid case against Lincoln as having been one of the very worst Presidents in the entire national history, and really the man who tore down and shit upon the Republic as originally conceived and implemented.

It also makes an unsparing economic argument that the supposedly noble motives of the North really came down to money, at bottom. Just money. Nothing more. If they had thought it would have profited them financially to let the South leave peacefully, they'd have allowed it. Even if the South retained its slaves. All about the money.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 16, 2014 04:55 PM (gqT4g)

119 >>>anybody got any spare bacon? cooked only, please. extra-crispy, if you got it Just so happens that I do. Regular and turkey. But I'm not feeling the whole "sharing" thing. *noms bacon* *hides manfully behind the couch*

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 04:55 PM (eQJwb)

120
And we wound up after the Civil War with a united country that grew into the most exceptional place on the planet, with a government umatched anywhere.

That country is still here, under the layer of filth deposited on it.

What it was will be again--time will see to it.

   Once unleashed, the precepts and ideals it was founded on can never be destroyed.

   I believe that with every fiber of my being.

    Perhaps all here will not live long enough to see the true redurgence of America, but it will happen.

      Never doubt that.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 16, 2014 04:55 PM (SAMxH)

121 94 peaches not looking for an argument, but did you recognize what songs they were? You're probably too young to remember the Paladin theme song, some old Beatle songs or an obscure (nowadays) guy named Jim Croce. The site was dead, I just tried to stick around. My humor has a limited appreciation. OOPS.

Posted by: seamrog at February 16, 2014 04:56 PM (S4RNz)

122 Didn't the two days used to be separate (paid for banks and feds etc.) holidays, Mike? I know as a kid I used to see ads on Buffalo TV for both Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 04:56 PM (vAnfs)

123 Freshen up?

Isn't that what females say when they head off to the Ladies Room to pee and poop?

Posted by: Artie Pshaw at February 16, 2014 04:56 PM (BYZzw)

124 Hmm. Now I'm getting ads on the main page that want to sell me teenagers. Obviously, this is related to the colonoscopy prep drug ads I was getting yesterday.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 16, 2014 04:56 PM (U82Km)

125 It wasn't important to give water to the farmers when it would be oppressing the Delta Smelt. But now it is because he's figured out a way to use the farmers as a club to beat the rest of us.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at February 16, 2014 04:57 PM (5ZCvs)

126 Norway,what the hell else do they have besides winter sports and female marathon runners?

Posted by: steevy at February 16, 2014 08:53 PM (zqvg6)

really bad moms . . .

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:57 PM (8lmkt)

127 Whoever's socking Ellen Page realizes she's not Lena Dunham of FUPA fame, right?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at February 16, 2014 04:57 PM (TIle2)

128 Practicing with my new bifocals..........yikes. I think I will eventually get use to them but until then watch out!

Posted by: Molly k. at February 16, 2014 04:57 PM (SGWOI)

129 The South never entered Union territory until Gettysburg. What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: The Battle of Antietam at February 16, 2014 04:57 PM (QupBk)

130 64 if i ever saw a delta smelt in my apartment, i would squish it. then i would laugh. then i would get a paper towel and clean up the guts.

I never saw a delta smelt, but I have smelta delta.

(kinda like cumin, IIRC)

Posted by: Artie Pshaw at February 16, 2014 04:58 PM (BYZzw)

131 Didn't the two days used to be separate (paid for banks and feds etc.) holidays, Mike? I know as a kid I used to see ads on Buffalo TV for both Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 16, 2014 08:56 PM (vAnfs)

they conflated them when they decided to have the MLK day in January

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 04:58 PM (8lmkt)

132 Dremel is a sponsor for Team USA, tasker? ;^)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 04:58 PM (vAnfs)

133
If you Yankees had stayed home, all of this shit now would not be going on, and YOU would be living in the South.

Are you glad you won?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 08:44 PM (0FSuD)

Don't call me a Yankee. (not that there's anything wrong with that. )

The European part of my Family didn't arrive until 1900 and something.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 04:58 PM (XnALK)

134 Fuck, my computer still shows the site is "loading" Is ace installing free hobo tracking software for commentators? Good the bastards have gotten mighty slippery.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 04:58 PM (0FSuD)

135 I'm going to celebrate President's Day by watching twitter.com for official White House photos of Teh Won.

:wq!

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at February 16, 2014 04:59 PM (SS8WM)

136 >>The South never entered Union territory until Gettysburg. What am I, chopped liver? Posted by: The Battle of Antietam *cough, cough, cough* Sorry, something in my throat.

Posted by: Bloody Kansas [/i] [/b] at February 16, 2014 04:59 PM (Yp6Vn)

137 One day I was wandering through the Hard Rock Cafe in Las Vegas, and spotted a restaurant called "The Pink Taco." I thought it an odd name for a restaurant, a food-dye-imbued tortilla not seeming very appetizing, and it was a full two weeks later that I stopped in my tracks and thought: Oh. That's what they meant. Posted by: Splunge at February 16, 2014 08:49 PM (qyomX) The food is actually pretty decent there.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 16, 2014 05:00 PM (AymDN)

138 Don't call me a Yankee. (not that there's anything wrong with that. )The European part of my Family didn't arrive until 1900 and something. Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 08:58 PM (XnALK) Sounds fair. You never profited by the rape, pillage and plunder that your neighbor's ancestors did. Can we recruit you?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 05:00 PM (0FSuD)

139 so what's the deal, watching this thread load is like watching old people fuck. it is like the thread broke a hip or somethin'.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 05:00 PM (rDidD)

140 Nood. I had the wrong time so I think that slowed down the blog. Should be ok now.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 16, 2014 05:01 PM (zDsvJ)

141 137 The food is actually pretty decent there.

What food do they serve? Salmon sushi?

Posted by: Splunge at February 16, 2014 05:01 PM (qyomX)

142 Yes, Peaches, that's what I thought.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 05:01 PM (vAnfs)

143 136 >>The South never entered Union territory until Gettysburg. What am I, chopped liver? Posted by: The Battle of Antietam Below the Mason-Dixon line, does not count. Maryland would have joined the South if it could have.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 05:01 PM (0FSuD)

144 my best friend (who is black) was a history major, and he put me on to Lincoln as being a clever schemer who more or less engineered how the war started

With respect, consider the source. Lincoln ended up freeing the slaves, and incidentally also got a lot of fighting-age Southerners killed (the survivors joined the Klan); Lincoln became a hero to the black population as a result.

It's open to question whether Lincoln wanted the war he got, or a war at all. Lincoln certainly didn't want a war where Virginia would be on the Confederate side (he'd have been an idiot to want that war).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 16, 2014 05:02 PM (30eLQ)

145 139 so what's the deal, watching this thread load is like watching old people fuck. Watch your tongue, sonny.

Posted by: Caliban at February 16, 2014 05:02 PM (2ArJQ)

146 The holiday is *still* in celebration of George Washington's birthday. It is so recorded in the Federal Register. It is the *media* that have promoted it as 'Presidents Day', not the Feds. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 08:49 PM (aDwsi) You just do that because you are a hetero-normative oppressor! Equal celebration of all Presidents!!1! *pouts and stomps feet*

Posted by: James Buchanan at February 16, 2014 05:02 PM (AymDN)

147 Y-not just put up a new thread. It's really long, I just looked at the picture and grabbed frist.

Posted by: Peaches at February 16, 2014 05:02 PM (8lmkt)

148 I started having trouble loading after the auto-load video in a thread about the USA vs Russia hockey game.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2014 05:03 PM (DmNpO)

149 33 So for the past two hours, NBC has been showing a lengthy cross country ski relay that the United States isn't even hopeful of being competitive in. Of all the events they could be showing, the geniuses at NBC sports programming chose this.

Yeah, well, they showed us the opening ceremony on tape. They knew they were going to show it to us on tape. But we *still* missed stuff because of the commercial breaks! It's like the idiots at NBC don't grok "pause" or something.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 16, 2014 05:03 PM (U82Km)

150 Thread is loading fine for me. Every once in a while the HQ loads really slow for me and I have to close my browser and restart to fix it.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 16, 2014 05:03 PM (m+nIW)

151
Yes, Lena and I have bumped FUPA's on many an occasion.

Posted by: Ellen Page at February 16, 2014 05:03 PM (nQjHM)

152 so what's the deal, watching this thread load is like watching old people fuck.
Crap! Where's my black electrical tape!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 05:03 PM (vAnfs)

153 139 so what's the deal, watching this thread load is like watching old people fuck. Watch your tongue, sonny. Posted by: Caliban so how'd you get internets over on your island?

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 05:04 PM (rDidD)

154 Man, every thread is picture and video heavy these days. Takes forever to load.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 16, 2014 05:04 PM (bCEmE)

155 My opinion of succession being allowed. Is there is at least a chance one half of this country would be living in now. Slavery was on it's way out even in the south. So that isn't part of my argument.

Posted by: Dendritic at February 16, 2014 05:04 PM (8Z8Vp)

156 33 So for the past two hours, NBC has been showing a lengthy cross country ski relay that the United States isn't even hopeful of being competitive in. Of all the events they could be showing, the geniuses at NBC sports programming chose this. I was watching a similar competition earlier, maybe same time delayed. could not stop yammering about how putin was in the house watching his guy win a bronze or silver.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 05:05 PM (rDidD)

157 so how'd you get internets over on your island? Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 09:04 PM (rDidD) I could tell you a tale.

Posted by: Caliban at February 16, 2014 05:05 PM (2ArJQ)

158 120 Irongrampa Could not agree more.

Posted by: seamrog at February 16, 2014 05:06 PM (S4RNz)

159 #148 Yeah, that happened to me then too. I think it was the "Vine" video combined with the 27.0.1 (IIRC) Firefox upgrade. My access has now been fine since yesterday evening though.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 05:06 PM (vAnfs)

160 I could tell you a tale. Posted by: Caliban at February 16 fyi, I got an "A" talking about you as an undergrad.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 05:06 PM (rDidD)

161 >>>Below the Mason-Dixon line, does not count. Maryland would have joined the South if it could have. Yep. Lincoln locked up the legislature before they could vote on secession. The red and white button cross on the state flag? Secession colors. The whole course of the past 150 years would be vastly different.

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 05:07 PM (eQJwb)

162
It also makes an unsparing economic argument that the supposedly noble motives of the North really came down to money, at bottom. Just money. Nothing more. If they had thought it would have profited them financially to let the South leave peacefully, they'd have allowed it. Even if the South retained its slaves. All about the money.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 16, 2014 08:55 PM (gqT4g)

I've heard that theory too, but as far as i'm concerned it has baggage of kookism attached to it. Any theory that wants to put the blame on "Northern Bankers" (possibly Jewish) strikes me as straying into kook territory.

It sounds too much like the Bildebergers, or the Rothchilds, and the various other conspiracy theories floating around out there.

That being said, I do not doubt that economics was a powerful motivating force for both sides.

Of course, demonstrable facts reign supreme, and if the man has built a good case, i'm willing to look at it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 05:07 PM (XnALK)

163 fine, be that way, I am really gonna go to the gym now.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 05:07 PM (rDidD)

164 fyi, I got an "A" talking about you as an undergrad. Posted by: yankeefifth at February 16, 2014 09:06 PM (rDidD) I hope the "A" was for acerbic.

Posted by: Caliban at February 16, 2014 05:09 PM (2ArJQ)

165 I'm so ignernt of 'Lympix. Could not figure out the difference between a bobsled and a bobsleigh, until finally it dawned me, Canadians say eh on the end of everything.

Kaiser Wilhelm really liked[/i the US. Called his son "Bill," and affected a kind of cowboy-movie version of American mannerisms. Which no doubt pissed him off all the more when he saw us slipping into the sphere of accursed Albion.

German saboteurs weren't total losers. There was the Black Tom dock explosion, reputed to have broken every window in New York City. I remember people who were alive at the time relating how petrified everyone was of German spies. Wilson created a whole civilian snoop squad to watch for them, and for the "anarchists" who really weren't anarchists at all.

I think the current academic truism on the Zimmerman Cable was that is was a British ruse to keep their high-tech American explosives coming. The cable from Yerp was tapped where it came up for air at landsend, and the filthy English not only knew about everything first, but could make it say whatever they wanted.

The fact that Mexico behaves as if the offer were still good? We don't talk about that.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 16, 2014 05:13 PM (xq1UY)

166 One of the Met OfficeÂ’s most senior experts yesterday made a dramatic intervention in the climate change debate by insisting there is no link between the storms that have battered Britain and global warming. Mat Collins, a Professor in climate systems at Exeter University, said the storms have been driven by the jet stream Â– the high-speed current of air that girdles the globe Â– which has been Â‘stuckÂ’ further south than usual. Professor Collins told The Mail on Sunday: Â‘There is no evidence that global warming can cause the jet stream to get stuck in the way it has this winter. If this is due to climate change, it is outside our knowledge.Â’ His statement carries particular significance because he is an internationally acknowledged expert on climate computer models and forecasts, and his university post is jointly funded by the Met Office. Prof Collins is also a senior adviser Â– a Â‘co-ordinating lead authorÂ’ Â– for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). His statement appears to contradict Met Office chief scientist Dame Julia Slingo.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 16, 2014 05:13 PM (e8kgV)

167 Bar'l

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 16, 2014 05:13 PM (xq1UY)

168 They had cheerleaders at the Canada-Finland men's hockey game today, BTW. They were wearing bright blue and white like the Finnish national colours but I highly suspect they were the arena's own (Russian) cheerleaders. Unfortunately, the cameras didn't show them properly even during breaks in the play or in-between periods.

And I thought there was no alcohol being sold/allowed in the venues (unless I misunderstood the report I read a few days ago) but I saw a Canada fan (a young Oriental guy) drinking in the stands from what looked like a European-style pint can.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 05:15 PM (vAnfs)

169 Sounds fair. You never profited by the rape, pillage and plunder that your neighbor's ancestors did.

Can we recruit you?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 09:00 PM (0FSuD)

From my reading of history, I think the South had a right to secede if they wanted. I've always found it Ironic that Lincoln's most famous speech refers specifically to the year the US seceded from England.

(Four Score and Seven years ago (1863-87=1776)

The Declaration of Independence articulated the right of people to separate themselves from a government they no longer felt represented their interests.

It's rather odd that Lincoln specifically referred to this event.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 05:15 PM (XnALK)

170 Look, I'm making this statement because I want to "live my truth," Obama is a puppet with Jarrett's hand up his ass.

Posted by: Seems legit at February 16, 2014 05:16 PM (A98Xu)

171
Below the Mason-Dixon line, does not count. Maryland would have joined the South if it could have.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 16, 2014 09:01 PM (0FSuD)

That's my understanding too. Lincoln sent troops to arrest the pro-secession legislatures.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 05:16 PM (XnALK)

172 I'm sick of looking for a laptop. Someone else decide....Dell, Toshiba, Asus or Lenovo.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 16, 2014 05:17 PM (bCEmE)

173
It's open to question whether Lincoln wanted the war he got, or a war at all. Lincoln certainly didn't want a war where Virginia would be on the Confederate side (he'd have been an idiot to want that war).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 16, 2014 09:02 PM (30eLQ)

I don't think he wanted the war at all. I think he never believed it would turn out so badly.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 16, 2014 05:17 PM (XnALK)

174 What happened to today's Gun Thread!? Can't count on anything around here...

Posted by: sp101 at February 16, 2014 05:19 PM (XzELn)

175 And they also haven't been dredging the silt from the rivers to protect a mollusk by British and EU regulations and from Green politicians meaning the rivers aren't as deep as they used to be so they don't carry away as much water; and the flood plain is about 8 feet below the raised rivers and the pumps that move the water up into the rivers are silted up too; and the entire flooded area used to all be under sea level prior to 300 years ago. Clearly AGW at work.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 05:21 PM (vAnfs)

176 See you later on the ONT.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 05:23 PM (vAnfs)

177 The money that is claimed to be for water relief is actually to cover the shortfall in Cal Obamacare funding because just like we said they're signing up illegals

Posted by: MAx at February 16, 2014 05:24 PM (b7yum)

178 177 Illegals who contributeth naught but receiveth subsidies overmuch

Posted by: MAx at February 16, 2014 05:27 PM (b7yum)

179 Maybe the USPS got a holiday on George's bday but that was it.

Ask a letter carrier about rotating days off and the holiday force-in system.
Nobody hates holidays worse than letter carriers. You never get a 3-day weekend out of them, and there's an extra day of mail waiting on Tuesday.

The Martin Luther King trade was pretty good for them, though. Stores quit having "White Sales."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 16, 2014 05:30 PM (xq1UY)

180
Funny thing the last couple days--I run Firefox with Adblock and NoScript and notice that the site loads all kind of dumb little things that these addons are supposed to kill.

Just like it didn't matter. Frequently, it takes several minutes to load any site, especially after prolonged time logged on. Rebooting will stop it for a while, but the problem recurs.

Anyone else have this?

Posted by: irongrampa at February 16, 2014 05:32 PM (SAMxH)

181 The Citadel is responsible for the federal income tax. They gave the cadets live ammunition. They then fired on The Star of the West, starting the war. Income tax imposed for first time to pay for war. Discuss

Posted by: tmitsss at February 16, 2014 05:33 PM (Pa9vP)

182 Everyone's talking about bacon..
I just fired up a pan of scrapple.

Nom...nom.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 05:34 PM (DHj6D)

183 Anyone else have this? Posted by: irongrampa at February 16, 2014 09:32 PM (SAMxH) Lot of people complaining about that. See Nip Sip at #86. I've had some problems with it too.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 16, 2014 05:36 PM (bCEmE)

184 The North immediately invaded VA at Bulls Run, where they got their asses kicked and they ran back to DC. The South never entered Union territory until Gettysburg. Probably already been said, but Antietam (Sharpsburg to you), not Gettysburg.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 05:36 PM (N/cFh)

185 You Lincoln haters make me laugh. If Honest Abe the Tyrant had just allowed the southern states to break way from the Union, the US would not be a superpower today with such a high standard of living. It would be at least two countries always at each other's throats. Maybe more than two. Would Jeff Davis or whoever was in charge have looked kindly if a couple of states from the Confederacy wanted to later rejoin the Union--or form yet another nation? No, they would have fought to prevent that. What if Spain retook Florida, or Mexico took back the southwest? What if France started making eyes at its old possessions? The South would not have survived and if it had, it would have been an Aristocracy run by a slave-owning landed gentry class and the poor, non-slave-holding white majority would have been a permanent peasantry. The South would look a lot like South America.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at February 16, 2014 05:36 PM (Usdw3)

186 >>>I just fired up a pan of scrapple. I had scrapple for the first time in a year or so yesterday at Towson Diner. Well. princess got it , I snaked a bite or five. It was yummy.

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 05:37 PM (eQJwb)

187
Pancakes, scrapple and eggs over easy.

Fantastic breakfast.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 16, 2014 05:40 PM (SAMxH)

188 You Southern Supremacists think it would have worked out so smoothly for the South if they had been allowed secede from the Union. It would not have. Also, Southern politicians of the 20th century are also responsible in part for the government of today being the blood-sucking leviathan it is today. They were all Democrats true, but they loved them some big gubmint along with their racism and grits.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at February 16, 2014 05:42 PM (Usdw3)

189 "It was yummy."

Damn straight Skippy.

We maybe need to meet at the Diner for breakfast one day....
Double order of scrapple for me, thank you.
Then hit the range.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 05:42 PM (DHj6D)

190 So. Anyone know a good alt hist novel where the South successfully seceded?

Posted by: Votermom at February 16, 2014 05:43 PM (GSIDW)

191 >>>We maybe need to meet at the Diner for breakfast one day.... Double order of scrapple for me, thank you. Then hit the range. Done. My nic at yahoo. I need some recoil therapy too. Also. moar scrapple.

Posted by: DC in Towson at February 16, 2014 05:47 PM (eQJwb)

192 Not Roots.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 16, 2014 05:52 PM (ZshNr)

193 DC
Check e-mail

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 05:52 PM (DHj6D)

194 161 >>>Below the Mason-Dixon line, does not count. Maryland would have joined the South if it could have. Yep. Lincoln locked up the legislature before they could vote on secession. The red and white button cross on the state flag? Secession colors. The whole course of the past 150 years would be vastly different. The state song calls Lincoln a Tyrant. And I'm iffy on Md. Yes, the legislature would have likely seceded, but that doesn't mean all the people were for it. Tennessee did secede, but the majority of its population opposed secession. Maryland didn't exactly throw open it's arms in 62 when Lee invaded, nor did Kentucky roll out the red carpet for Braxton Bragg that same year ( or does that not count as the South invading Yankeeland either?)

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 05:52 PM (N/cFh)

195 So, VIA and DC, do you two want some alone time, or can others join you?

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 05:54 PM (N/cFh)

196 Dave
I emailed DC
Continental at around 10:30 tomorrow for our son and I.
He wants to try his mothers AR15/22 for the first time.

I know you guys usually do Freestate.

You and Gingy in?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 05:57 PM (DHj6D)

197 Timon and Ian S are both in the area.

Don't know if they can make it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 05:59 PM (DHj6D)

198 For range time? No, she has class and I have work. For breakfast? Absolutely. Where?

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 06:00 PM (N/cFh)

199 Dave,
Won't get rolling till about 10:00AM.
Probably too late for Breakfast.

But,Mrs VIA is off Tuesday, and Little VIA has school.
Could give us the early start for breakfast we are looking for.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 06:03 PM (DHj6D)

200 I thought 10:30 breakfast?

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 06:06 PM (N/cFh)

201 Posted by: andycanuck at February 16, 2014 09:23 PM (vAnfs) Andy Canuck, Are you the one of the Horde that remembered Dead Like Me? I have kept FNC & other news off and have only been watching Showtime or something on demand, or TCM or MGM. There was a Dead Like Me movie on MGM or doubtfully TCM this past week at 6 am or earlier. I have it on my DVR to watch.

Posted by: Carol at February 16, 2014 06:09 PM (z4WKX)

202 No...
if we do Tuesday, we could drop Little VIA at school at 0750.
And then head right to a Diner.

Would that work?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 06:09 PM (DHj6D)

203 Tomorrow is the only morning I have free until Thursday.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 06:12 PM (N/cFh)

204 Carol - Likely Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Nothing cheerful there..... Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 16, 2014 08:53 PM (aDwsi) I know it is over an hour later but I like Shameless on Showtime. That was it Mike. I was happy listening to the podcast from Friday. I started in my car but I was driving 45 minutes only out of three hours. I restarted it from the beginning when I came home.

Posted by: Carol at February 16, 2014 06:14 PM (z4WKX)

205 Dave.
Ask Gingy to look at her e-mail

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 06:15 PM (DHj6D)

206 I would like to able to stay awake at least until 1 am for the ONT but I can tell I am tired now. I have been up since 7 am, snow blower noise woke me up. We had 4 inches here in Boston area. I am glad I dd not believe what the professional forecasters called for, I looked out the windows & did not see heavy snow or wind.

Posted by: Carol at February 16, 2014 06:23 PM (z4WKX)

207 You guys can have my scrapple, too.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at February 16, 2014 06:25 PM (N/cFh)

208 Yes, Carol, I'm one of the Dead Like Me fans here. The movie sucked, BTW, if you haven't watched it yet especially as they couldn't get Mandy Patinkin signed up for it.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 06:29 PM (vAnfs)

209 Yes, Carol, I'm one of the Dead Like Me fans here. The movie sucked, BTW, if you haven't watched it yet especially as they couldn't get Mandy Patinkin signed up for it. Posted by: andycanuck at February 16, 2014 10:29 PM (vAnfs) I was almost sure you were. Should I delete from DVR & not bother? I trust your judgement.

Posted by: Carol at February 16, 2014 06:31 PM (z4WKX)

210 "You guys can have my scrapple, too."

More for me!
Nom Nom.

Let me guess, round ham slices (aka Canadian Bacon)?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 16, 2014 06:33 PM (DHj6D)

211 Yes, I'd just delete it.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 06:33 PM (vAnfs)

212 Andy Canuck, Are you a fan of Shameless? My older brother told me it was great & it got better each season. I saw part of one of this seasonÂ’s episodes & watched all from beginning. I love it now but the past two episodes have been grim & not much to laugh at.

Posted by: Carol at February 16, 2014 06:35 PM (z4WKX)

213 No, I've never seen Shameless. It doesn't even sound familiar as a title. I guess I'll take a look at IMDB.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 06:37 PM (vAnfs)

214 Andy, It is on Showtime. I cancelled all of the other premium channels except Showtime. It is on Sundays at 9 pm.

Posted by: Carol at February 16, 2014 06:40 PM (z4WKX)

215 It doesn't sound like my cup of tea, Carol, although it's IMDB commenters like it alot.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 06:41 PM (vAnfs)

216 I see that there are two versions around---a British and an American one. It looks like a Canadian specialty channel, Showcase, might carry it but I'm pretty busy as it is. I've got all of the latest Downton Abbey to catch up on too not having watched any of the ones I've recorded over the past two months!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 16, 2014 06:47 PM (vAnfs)

217 Sock off

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 16, 2014 07:16 PM (g4TxM)

218 Re: 190, I remember reading one in jr high but don't remember the title. The pivital event was Grant's horse throwing him resulting in a fatal head injury. It was quite thought provoking. Had the south and north both joining forces in WWI and WWII. Woodrow Wilson was president of the confederacy in WWI. That's about all I can recall, but it was a good read. Wish I could remember the title, probably would re-read it.

Posted by: Scont at February 16, 2014 08:48 PM (pCuII)

219 190 So. Anyone know a good alt hist novel where the South successfully seceded? Posted by: Votermom at February 16, 2014 09:43 PM (GSIDW) You'll probably never see this, but Harry Turtledove wrote an 11 novel series that goes from the 2nd war between the states (20 years after Confederacy won the first one) through WWII. It's called the timeline 191 series because the pivotal event that changed was that Lee's courier did NOT lose his special order 191 on 09/10/1962. Great read, but it's NOT a happy world compared to our own. The first book is called How Few Remain.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 09:19 PM (N/cFh)

220 1862. Missed it by that much.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 09:19 PM (N/cFh)

221 Scont, I think this is the book you mean:If the South won Gettysburg by Mark Nesbitt. Grant's death was part of it, yes, but the pivotal event was Lee following Longstreet's tactics after the second day at Gettysburg, and I think he's got the outcome right. I think Turtledove has a better take on what life on the North American continent would have been like following a Confederate victory. As I said, it's not pretty.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 16, 2014 09:28 PM (N/cFh)

222 219 You'll probably never see this, ... -- Hah! Joke's on you WeirdDave! The Eye sees all! Thanks for the recs!

Posted by: Votermom at February 17, 2014 04:28 AM (GSIDW)

223 Great! Now let me know what you think of the Turtledove series. My nic at gmail dot com. It'll probably take you a while to read it.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 18, 2014 11:16 PM (N/cFh)

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