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April 30, 2012

EPA "Crucify Them" Official Resigns
— Ace

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-- p-shop courtesy of @slublog

The wheels of Obama's campaign bus easily handle human obstacles.

Alvarez had of course previously said...

Â“I was in a meeting once and I gave an analogy to my staff about my philosophy of enforcement, and I think it was probably a little crude and maybe not appropriate for the meeting, but IÂ’ll go ahead and tell you what I said:
Â“It was kind of like how the Romans used to, you know, conquer villages in the Mediterranean. TheyÂ’d go in to a little Turkish town somewhere, theyÂ’d find the first five guys they saw and theyÂ’d crucify them.
Â“Then, you know, that town was really easy to manage for the next few years.Â”

If the EPA are the Romans, and the oil companies are the crucified prisoners, would that make BP -- Obama donor corporation which flooded the Gulf with oil but suffered no specific-to-them-consequences-- Barnabas?

Posted by: Ace at 09:02 AM | Comments (126)
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1 There's still a whole fucking Department full of them.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 09:05 AM (GQ8sn)

2 Thump Thump

Posted by: rd at April 30, 2012 09:05 AM (9sUlj)

3 I think you mean Barabbas.

Posted by: stevea28 at April 30, 2012 09:05 AM (FXyox)

4 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 30, 2012 09:05 AM (InyP7)

5 "Alvarez"? Get the guy's name right for SEO's sake.

It's Armendariz.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at April 30, 2012 09:05 AM (lt7iY)

6 Barnabas Collins, no. Barabbas, yes, by that analogy.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at April 30, 2012 09:06 AM (RD7QR)

7 His name is Armendariz, not Alvarez.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 09:06 AM (GQ8sn)

8 Barnabas Collins?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 30, 2012 09:06 AM (KNvk+)

9 Armendariz, Anita Dunn, Van Jones---the club of Communist Obama ex-appointees is getting bigger all the time.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at April 30, 2012 09:06 AM (TKoWk)

10 Whatever!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at April 30, 2012 09:06 AM (RFeQD)

11 Do we know which gubmint dept recently received a new transfer employee?

Posted by: RushBabe at April 30, 2012 09:06 AM (tQHzJ)

12 Resigned? You mean re-signed, and with a hefty raise, I'm sure. He'll probably be the Religious Studies czar.

Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2012 09:07 AM (FcR7P)

13 "...ask not at whom the bus rolls- it rolls at thee!"

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 30, 2012 09:07 AM (RSqz2)

Lovey,

They are mocking poor Ace

Posted by: Thurston Howell III at April 30, 2012 09:07 AM (mFxQX)

Barrabas, ace.

Or Barney Miller. One of those.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2012 09:08 AM (8FQ6f)

16 I vas only followink ordersz!!

Posted by: EPA Nazi at April 30, 2012 09:08 AM (MMC8r)

17 Good. I hope the little faggot ends up living under an overpass servicing the homeless for a quarter a pop, your choice of orifices.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2012 09:08 AM (OlN4e)

18 Getting one guy to quit won't change anything, it's the entire culture of the EPA that's the problem. Ditto for the DOJ's civil rights and voting rights divisions. It will be years cleaning out the rot in this country's executive departments, if it can be done at all.

Posted by: Socratease at April 30, 2012 09:08 AM (vaIln)

19 The SCOAMF sure is a SCOAMF.

Posted by: Chris M at April 30, 2012 09:08 AM (5UQkd)

But he was the perfect government bureaucrat!

He knows the drill, "Crucify the innocent and reward the guilty."

OBAMA 2012 - The Beatings will Continue Until the Economy Improves!

Posted by: rd at April 30, 2012 09:08 AM (9sUlj)

From what I can tell, "Armendariz" was a Sephardic two-fer [since he almost certainly filled some sort of an "Hispanic" quota].

Posted by: Zombie Shane at April 30, 2012 09:09 AM (JW/aG)

22 By 'resign' does that mean Mr. I'm-Probably-Completely-Incapable-Of-Holding-A-Private-Sector-Job gets shuffled off to some other agency??

Bet it does. At the v. least he'll be rehired somewhere else on our dime in < 3 months time.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 30, 2012 09:09 AM (pLTLS)

23 Be sure to include Vanilla Ice in any future photoshops of those who have been bus-rolled, because, you know, everyone threw Vanilla under the bus.

Posted by: Brisco_County at April 30, 2012 09:09 AM (dKiGf)

I can't believe it took this long.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 30, 2012 09:09 AM (VtjlW)

25 Barnabas, from the book of Twilight.

Posted by: Ace's Spritual Director at April 30, 2012 09:09 AM (KNvk+)

26 His only crime?

Being videotaped. Otherwise, he'd be the General Undersecretary for Punitive Impalement by now.

Posted by: nickless at April 30, 2012 09:09 AM (MMC8r)

27 He was forced to resign because his actions matched his words.

Posted by: Jack at April 30, 2012 09:10 AM (zKFOT)

28 I think you meant Barnaby Jones.

Posted by: dogfish at April 30, 2012 09:10 AM (N2yhW)

29 Wasn't Barnabas a great dectective? I watch tv, and I think there was a show about him.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 09:10 AM (AZdM4)

30 <<If the EPA are the Romans, and the oil companies are the crucified prisoners, would that make BP -- Obama donor corporation which flooded the Gulf with oil but suffered no specific-to-them-consequences-- Barnabas?>>

S'cuse the nitpick, but I believe you are thinking of Barabbas; the murderer who was freed in place of the crucifixion of Christ. Barnabas was a devout disciple of Christ and an associate of Saint Paul.

Just so we're clear on the metaphor.

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 30, 2012 09:10 AM (cGPup)

31 BP -- Obama donor corporation which flooded the Gulf with oil

Point of order:

BP didn't cause the spill. As clearly as we can tell, it was the Coast Guard that caused it by demanding that the fire be immediately put out, thereby collapsing the platform with the water and breaking the pipes, causing the actual spill. BP had no choice in any of that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 09:10 AM (X3lox)

32 Ace 3:2 - And Caesar said, "who do you want". And the Medes cried "Barnabus".

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at April 30, 2012 09:10 AM (bzWd8)

33 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 09:10 AM (8y9MW)

34 Barnabas was Paul's colleague on his missionary journeys, and was himself a Christian martyr. I think you mean Barabbas, the criminal whose release the crowd clamored for prior to the crucifixion of Jesus.

Posted by: mama winger at April 30, 2012 09:11 AM (P6QsQ)

35 I said it on twitter: Once again, they're missing (or pretending to miss) the fact that the problem is about the environment that enables/encourages such thinking, not the specific official.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 09:11 AM (8y9MW)

36 This dolt knows about as much about energy production and utilization as he knows about history.

Posted by: pat at April 30, 2012 09:11 AM (UFxap)

37
From what I can tell, "Armendariz" was a Sephardic two-fer [since he almost certainly filled some sort of an "Hispanic" quota].

Like Juan Epstein?

Posted by: nickless at April 30, 2012 09:12 AM (MMC8r)

38 Barabbas... Barry's Bus... there's a metaphor here somewhere.

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 30, 2012 09:12 AM (cGPup)

39 Prelude to stoning:

You have committed the blasphemy of saying something politically inconvenient to the one; what do you have to say for yourself?

Prisoner: But all I said was...

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 30, 2012 09:12 AM (0q2P7)

40 Like Juan Epstein?

Posted by: nickless at April 30, 2012 01:12 PM (MMC8r)

But hopefully less annoying.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at April 30, 2012 09:13 AM (RD7QR)

41 Finally, a scapegoat to take the fall for an entire government's mindset.
Nothing to see here, move along.

Posted by: real joe at April 30, 2012 09:13 AM (lgANn)

42 Brian Dennehy was great as Barabbas.

Posted by: toby928© at April 30, 2012 09:13 AM (NG097)

43 EPA "Crucify Them" Official Resigns

You'd think all of these "atypical" somethings would add up to a typical something.

Posted by: Dr. Malcolm Sayer at April 30, 2012 09:14 AM (X3lox)

44 Could it be Josephus?

Posted by: Penfold at April 30, 2012 09:14 AM (1PeEC)

45 unexpectedly resigns

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at April 30, 2012 09:14 AM (NG097)

Place just hasn't been the same since Walter Peck left the agency.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 30, 2012 09:14 AM (rX1N2)

47 Obama donor corporation which flooded the Gulf with oil but suffered no specific-to-them-consequences

Huh? They had to pony up $20 billion or so to put into a slush fund for Barky to disburse as he saw fit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 30, 2012 09:15 AM (Pi5Sz)

48 I guess it's too much to hope for a group of the oil and gas companies to go Boudica on the EPA's ass.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 30, 2012 09:15 AM (ebPtk)

49 Typical white guy.

Posted by: JQ Public at April 30, 2012 09:15 AM (NBj0d)

50 27 He was forced to resign because ~~his actions matched his words~~ he got caught on video.

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FIFY

Posted by: real joe at April 30, 2012 09:15 AM (lgANn)

51 40 Like Juan Epstein?

Posted by: nickless at April 30, 2012 01:12 PM (MMC8r)

But hopefully less annoying.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at April 30, 2012 01:13 PM (RD7QR)

MEEEESTUH CAAAAAAAATAHHHH!!!!

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 09:15 AM (GQ8sn)

52 <<This dolt knows about as much about energy production and utilization as he knows about history.
Posted by: pat>>

That was going to be my next question...

...I've never actually heard of this particular Roman practice. My knowledge of history isn't thorough, but this seems oddly made up. I know crucifixion was a Roman practice, but I'm not aware of the procedure of simply riding into town and stringing up a couple of locals in order to pacify the populace.

Someone correct me?

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 30, 2012 09:15 AM (cGPup)

53 Finally, a scapegoat to take the fall for an entire government's mindset.
Nothing to see here, move along.

Posted by: real joe at April 30, 2012 01:13 PM (lgANn)

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And to think. This all happened two years ago. There's no telling what damage this little shit-weasel did in that time. The whole EPA must go.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 09:16 AM (AZdM4)

54 Not that this is going to do much good. For every petty, incompetent government bureaucrat who is let go, there are at least five waiting to take his place.

All this does is to teach the others to keep their mouths shut.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 30, 2012 09:17 AM (InyP7)

55 I mentioned on the other thread that the sub-headline should be:

EPA "Crucify Them" Policy Remains Intact.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 30, 2012 09:17 AM (Pi5Sz)

56 >>>simply riding into town and stringing up a couple of locals in order to pacify the populace.

As far as I know that's not what they did. They would however, when taking over a town, be very harsh on the first folks who tried to resist.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 30, 2012 09:17 AM (0q2P7)

57 How come nobody seems to connect the dots between this story and that recent Supreme Court case? The one where a justice or two said that you wouldn't have thought that this could even happen in America? The EPA (IIRC) had designated somebody's land as something-or-other - even though it was completely absurd - and then started fining them something like $75,000/day. I believe the couple won.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 30, 2012 09:18 AM (As94z)

58 ...I've never actually heard of this particular Roman practice. My knowledge of history isn't thorough, but this seems oddly made up. I know crucifixion was a Roman practice, but I'm not aware of the procedure of simply riding into town and stringing up a couple of locals in order to pacify the populace.

Someone correct me?

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 30, 2012 01:15 PM (cGPup)

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It was a common form of Roman punishment. Tens of thousands were crucified.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 09:18 AM (AZdM4)

59 He needs a history course or two. And now, since he is funemployed!!, he can take them.

Posted by: Penfold at April 30, 2012 09:19 AM (1PeEC)

60 He threw Armendariz and Alvarez under the bus?

Posted by: huerfano at April 30, 2012 09:19 AM (bAGA/)

61 This guy's only mistake was talking about what he was doing and letting someone get it on video. That, and getting caught in an election year.

Posted by: rockmom at April 30, 2012 09:19 AM (NYnoe)

62 The first rule of EPA Club is...

Posted by: Ty Durden at April 30, 2012 09:20 AM (FcR7P)

63 someone needs to find out if his resignation was accepted. Follow up needed. A guy like this could be terrorizing people from any number of gov't agencies.

Posted by: mallfly at April 30, 2012 09:20 AM (bJm7W)

64 EPA doesn't seem to have a problem with Solyndra leaving tons of toxic waste behind at their bankrupt facilities

http://bit.ly/KoItH7

Toxic President Uses Taxpayer Money to Line Pockets of His Toxic Cronies Who Leave Behind a Toxic Building Full of Hazardous Waste

Posted by: mama winger at April 30, 2012 09:20 AM (P6QsQ)

65 Someone correct me?

Nope, you're more or less right.

The Romans basically had a 3 stage process for taking over a country or city-state: 1) Offer to make them a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Roman Empire. 2) Show up with the legions, and offer again- this time to make them a "protectorate" of the Empire. 3) Crush all resistance and annex the region anyway.

Even that is a gross over-simplification.

After a rebellion in one region, they would often pacify other regions this way- by coming in and crucifying a few rabble rousers- but it wasn't really how they conquered anyone.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 09:20 AM (8y9MW)

66 The Romans did like to crucify, they crucified all the survivors of the slave rebellion led by Spartacus. But I suspect it was partly out of pique for being repetitively embarrassed by Spartacus and his former slave army on various fields of battle.

Posted by: Penfold at April 30, 2012 09:21 AM (1PeEC)

67 >>I know crucifixion was a Roman practice, but I'm not aware of the procedure of simply riding into town and stringing up a couple of locals in order to pacify the populace.

The Nazis used to crucify priests. Less to "pacify" than to "terrorize", of course.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 30, 2012 09:21 AM (ZKzrr)

68 Skipping Sunday School as a kid did you no favors, Ace, although thinking about it, Jonathan Frid in fangs and cape would've been great in 'The Passion'.

Posted by: troyriser at April 30, 2012 09:21 AM (vtiE6)

69 My Gov calls the EPA the 'Employment prevention agency'.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 30, 2012 09:21 AM (DGIjM)

70 This guy's only mistake was talking about what he was doing and letting someone get it on video.That, andgetting caught in an election year. Posted by: rockmom at April 30, 2012 01:19 PM

It's a bitch, I tell you. Sometimes you can come out of it okay, though.

Posted by: Shirley Sherrod at April 30, 2012 09:22 AM (bAGA/)

71 Ouch, let go on National Honesty Day. That'll teach him!

Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2012 09:22 AM (FcR7P)

72 Pining for the government to mandate abortions and put sterilants into the water suppy: neither crude or inappropriate.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at April 30, 2012 09:22 AM (RN90h)

73 Resignation or not, Congress should keep to its plan to call this assclown up to the Hill, then gut him like a fish in front of the entire world.

Posted by: MD at April 30, 2012 09:23 AM (ytKgL)

74 >>A guy like this could be terrorizing people from any number of gov't agencies.

While collecting a pension from the EPA.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 30, 2012 09:23 AM (ZKzrr)

75 << >>>simply riding into town and stringing up a couple of locals in order to pacify the populace.

As far as I know that's not what they did. They would however, when taking over a town, be very harsh on the first folks who tried to resist.>>

Well, sure, but who isn't?

My point is, I know a bit about Roman history, studied - to some degree - Roman military tactics. This struck me as odd to the point that I believe the guy is actually making up a historical "fact" to justify his behavior and mindset.

I'm almost surprised the guy didn't use the Genghis Khan story from the beginning of "Red Dawn".

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 30, 2012 09:24 AM (cGPup)

76 Besides, what good did the Romans do anyway?
http://tinyurl.com/7z472jd

Posted by: real joe at April 30, 2012 09:24 AM (lgANn)

77 That would be Barabas. Barni-bus was a disciple.

Posted by: TimothyJ at April 30, 2012 09:25 AM (Ggn0m)

78 Barnabas? No, he was on the A-Team.

Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2012 09:25 AM (FcR7P)

79 I was told there would be no Roman history on this blog.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 30, 2012 09:26 AM (DGIjM)

80 The EPA (IIRC) had designated somebody's land as something-or-other - even though it was completely absurd -and then started fining them something like $75,000/day. I believe the couple won.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 30, 2012 01:18 PM (As94z)

It was weirder than that. IANAL, but I understand this case as, a couple have some land they wanted to build on, but the EPA told them they *might* not be able to use it because of wetlands, or snail darters, or something. The couple tried to have the EPA make up their mind about whether they could use it or not, but it turns out that there is no way for a property owner to force a decision. If they went ahead and built anyway, then if the EPA ever in the future decided that wetlands, or snail darters, or whatever, the couple were on the hook for the $75,000/ day fines. They were totally stuck in property limbo. They won.

Posted by: VKI at April 30, 2012 09:27 AM (TKoA3)

81 Tell us again how kick-ass you really were, Romans!

Posted by: The Huns at April 30, 2012 09:28 AM (Y+DPZ)

82 What the EPA doesn't publicize very much is that most of their fines are levied not for actual pollution, but record keeping and reporting (i.e. paperwork) violations.

Bureaucrats do love their bureaucracy, and will commit serial acts of bureaucracy to keep it going.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2012 09:28 AM (SY2Kh)

83 I think you mean Barabbas. No Barabbas For The Barry Bus.

Posted by: Barky McBussington at April 30, 2012 09:28 AM (FcR7P)

84 <<It was a common form of Roman punishment. Tens of thousands were crucified.>>

I'm aware of this, as I stated I know crucifixion was a common Roman practice. This is the first I have heard of crucifixion being used as a method of conquering. Just doesn't seem right to me. Crucifixion was certainly used as punishment, but that's not what the EPA guy was talking about.

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 30, 2012 09:29 AM (cGPup)

85 Give us Aaaarnold Horschack!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 30, 2012 09:29 AM (fEp+D)

He didn't mean Barabbas, he meant Barnaby Jones (who acted stupidly). Or was it Barney Fife?

Ace, since Barabbas was pardoned, The Good Thief is your man. Think of him as the Obama voter who is going to change his vote this time.

Posted by: WhitePunkOnDog (WPOD) at April 30, 2012 09:30 AM (YdwMZ)

87

Harvard's next professor of Environmental Studies....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 30, 2012 09:30 AM (kdS6q)

88 He threw Armendariz and Alvarez under the bus?

Posted by: huerfano at April 30, 2012 01:19 PM (bAGA/)

They must be white Hispanics

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 30, 2012 09:30 AM (1Jaio)

89 Harvard's next professor of Environmental Studies....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 30, 2012 01:30 PM (kdS6q)

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That would be my guess. Or a sweet job on the SCOAMT's re-election campaign committee. The libs love failures.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 09:33 AM (AZdM4)

90 My point is, I know a bit about Roman history, studied - to some degree - Roman military tactics. This struck me as odd to the point that I believe the guy is actually making up a historical "fact" to justify his behavior and mindset.

And you'd be right. Over in the one or two postings and associated threads on PajamasMedia, quite a few posters have taken issue with Armendariz's history and the general consensus is that, in technical terms, he's utterly full of sh*t.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at April 30, 2012 09:33 AM (PMGbu)

91 EPA doesn't seem to have a problem with Solyndra leaving tons of toxic waste behind at their bankrupt facilities>>

Interesting how toxic making green energy tech is isn't it.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 30, 2012 09:34 AM (tf9Ne)

92 I'm almost surprised the guy didn't use the Genghis Khan story from the beginning of ~~"Red Dawn"~~ John Kerry's Winter Soldier testimony.

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 30, 2012 01:24 PM (cGPup)

FIFY.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2012 09:35 AM (DrWcr)

93 On the Barabbas tip, the novel of that title is pretty good.

Posted by: Knemon at April 30, 2012 09:36 AM (oyVgL)

94 Just who the hell are the Turks in this genius's historical analogy?

Posted by: Fritz at April 30, 2012 09:36 AM (/ZZCn)

95 "Good. I hope the little faggot ends up living under an overpass servicing the homeless for a quarter a pop, your choice of orifices."

All Beerfest references make me chuckle.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 30, 2012 09:37 AM (71LDo)

96 Just looking at this and everythings else that's happening to our country. Maybe we should just tear everything down and start at the point of one day before the Wilson presidency.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 09:38 AM (AZdM4)

That "crucify a few and make-an-example-out-of-them" mentality is still there.

They would have us believe that this was just one guy, saying something out of hand. .....But this is they way Team Barky thinks. ....They have been using this tactic of 'crucifying someone' to send a message...all along.

It's what they did to Palin....it's what they did to Joe the Plumber.

It's how the Hive Mind works. ....The Collective must conquer, by whatever means necessary.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 09:41 AM (cB+Hn)

98 is the envirodouchebag going to back to school and take a history lesson--the turkish tribes were in central asia until the 11 century when led by the seljuks THEY invaded the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) which over centuries culminated in the ottoman's conquering contantinople in the 15th century--so it was the TURKS who invaded ROMAN villages not the other way around--and knowing them they probably beheaded the villagers in the example set by their messenger--the profiteer mohammid!

Posted by: HULUGU at April 30, 2012 09:41 AM (STsHx)

Wait, I know where the EPA guy got the idea the Romans went around terrorizing villages with random crucifixions: the HBO 'Rome' miniseries a few years back. I'm too lazy to look up the specific episode and scene, but there was a point in the story where Marc Antony asked one of the series protagonists, a Centurion/NCO in the Roman army, how he--the soldier--would go about finding whoever or whatever it was he was looking for. The soldier replied that he would go to a village and crucify a few of the men, and pretty soon people would start coming forward and give him the information he needed.

EPA guy wasn't drawing from any actual historical example. He was stealing from Hollywood.

Posted by: troyriser at April 30, 2012 09:42 AM (vtiE6)

100 22 By 'resign' does that mean Mr. I'm-Probably-Completely-Incapable-Of-Holding-A-Private-Sector-Job gets shuffled off to some other agency?? Bet it does. At the v. least he'll be rehired somewhere else on our dime in < 3 months time. Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 30, 2012 01:09 PM (pLTLS) He'll be hired by some outfit like the World Wildlife Fund, if he hasn't been already. He'll lobby his old agency to perform more crucifixions.

Posted by: theCork at April 30, 2012 09:43 AM (hbAdE)

101 This is why we need to clean house or close up these useless agencies. They suck up too much money and do nothing but produce bureaucratic red tape and more importantly, they are full of self-important assbags like this guy.

Posted by: mpfs at April 30, 2012 09:44 AM (iYbLN)

102 And....why didn't the assbag just add on.... "let's just sacrifice some evil Jooos just for shits and giggles."

Posted by: mpfs at April 30, 2012 09:45 AM (iYbLN)

103 The top thread is broken badly.

Posted by: toby928© at April 30, 2012 09:46 AM (NG097)

104 EPA guy wasn't drawing from any actual historical example. He wasstealing from Hollywood.

Posted by: troyriser at April 30, 2012 01:42 PM (vtiE6)

And we know how historically accurate they are

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 30, 2012 09:48 AM (1Jaio)

105 ...I've never actually heard of this particular Roman practice. My knowledge of history isn't thorough, but this seems oddly made up. I know crucifixion was a Roman practice, but I'm not aware of the procedure of simply riding into town and stringing up a couple of locals in order to pacify the populace.

Someone correct me?

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 30, 2012 01:15 PM (cGPup)

I'm no expert either but I recall reading that crucifixion was the technique used against Phoenecian pirates who were raiding shipping. The Romans caught them and crucified them. Problem solved.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 30, 2012 09:51 AM (lHn6+)

106 If anybody calls, tell them Barnaby said hello. And tell them that I think you are the nicest person in the whole world... Just you.

Posted by: Linn Sheldon's immortal "Barnaby" at April 30, 2012 09:53 AM (qndXR)

107 When Obama threw Armendariz under his bus, what gear was it in?

#FORWARD!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 30, 2012 09:54 AM (wtvvX)

108 Why did it take 2 yrs for this to come out? Nobody in that meeting was shocked? Just like the Rev. Wright 'Damn the USA' video. The leader's words are bad, but the followers' reaction and acceptance is the shocking part.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 30, 2012 10:02 AM (UU0OF)

109 This is from the last Presidential campaign, but it still works; shout out to just-resigned Al Armendariz, late of the EPA: Under the Bus Wheels Â—with apologies to the Drifters, and Â“Under the BoardwalkÂ” Oh when the campaign heats up and reveals unpleasant truths And even the papers canÂ’t avoid reporting inconvenient proofs. Under the bus wheels, away from me Giving me deniability is where youÂ’ll be. (Under the bus wheels) Safely hidden from view. (Under the bus wheels) I will sacrifice you. (Under the bus wheels) I will take the high road. (Under the bus wheels) YouÂ’ll be bearing the load under the bus wheels, Bus wheels. From the crowds you hear the happy sounds of the hopes I sell, If you try to interfere with my pitch you wonÂ’t get a chance to tell. Under the bus wheels, away from me Giving me deniability is where youÂ’ll be. (Under the bus wheels) Safely hidden from view. (Under the bus wheels) I will sacrifice you. (Under the bus wheels) I will take the high road. (Under the bus wheels) YouÂ’ll be bearing the load under the bus wheels, Bus wheels. Under the bus wheels, away from me Giving me deniability is where youÂ’ll be. Under the bus wheels, away from me Giving me deniability is where youÂ’ll be.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at April 30, 2012 10:08 AM (TKoWk)

110 The Romans succeeded for the most part by incorporating their conquered territories into the Empire. One thing for certain: they didn't raid any Turkish villages on the Mediterranean primarily because there were no Turkish villages there. The Turks originated central Asia sometime about the 6th or 7th century and were not established in what is now Turkey until the 11th century. Should stick to making up EPA bullshit without the history.

Posted by: Libra at April 30, 2012 10:23 AM (kd8U8)

111

Two points here:

1. This bozo looks like a fraternity pledge, not a "top EPA official".

2. In his video, he describes his "philosoply of enforcement", but when he resigned, he said that the video didn't reflect on his work at the EPA. So he was either lying in the video, or lying today. Either way, he's a lying POS, and should look forward to great future in the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at April 30, 2012 10:23 AM (aA2hG)

112

@ 82 ... "It was weirder than that. IANAL, but I understand this case as, a couple have some land they wanted to build on, but the EPA told them they *might* not be able to use it because of wetlands, or snail darters, or something. The couple tried to have the EPA make up their mind about whether they could use it or not, but it turns out that there is no way for a property owner to force a decision. If they went ahead and built anyway, then if the EPA ever in the future decided that wetlands, or snail darters, or whatever, the couple were on the hook for the $75,000/ day fines. They were totally stuck in property limbo. They won."

Thanks! So, yeah, this was a case of some EPA goons jerking some property owner around, and then "cruficying" them, to make an example of anyone who dared to "defy" their nonsense, and acted based on common sense. IIRC, there were zero snail darters, and the place was dry as a bone - not anybody's idea of what a wetlands would be. They were being blatantly terrorized by the EPA.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 30, 2012 10:39 AM (As94z)

113 My dick is full of win!

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2012 10:42 AM (Ky1+e)

114

The point being that while this instance could be written off as some fancy-pants jerk shooting his mouth off to his buddies in some random meeting, there was an actual high-profile case where the EPA did exactly what he was talking about.

And that's without even getting into their War on Coal, which is nominally for the sake of the long-discredited theory of AGW, but is really a front for the War on Capitalism.

The historical inaccuracy of the reference is interesting (although not at all surprising), but somewhat besides the point.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 30, 2012 10:45 AM (As94z)

115 Mr Armendariz is gone, soon to be snapped up by NRDC or some university no doubt, but all that really separates him from at least half a dozen of the other Regional Administrators and much of the DC EPA brass is that he got caught saying it and they didn't.

You can bet there's a couple hundred folks, EPA staff and outside activists, busy combing YouTube, Google, etc. looking for stuff to sanitize right now.

Posted by: JEM at April 30, 2012 10:50 AM (o+SC1)

116 Isn't it Barrabas? Sorry to repeat if someone else has pointed this out already.

Posted by: Cate at April 30, 2012 11:05 AM (gB2bR)

117 That must have been one serious threat the EPA boss laid on his ass to get him to bail on a cush job like that.Oh wait, if we wait 10 minutes Im sure someone somewhere has already fit him in somewhere else in the leviathan.Or just outside on J street. These cretins never leave DC once the webbing get thick around the ankles.

Posted by: Rich K at April 30, 2012 11:05 AM (X4l3T)

118 Well, he has a PhD in Engineering. He obviously took the advice of the ONT vocational guidance counselors, and skipped all that Humanities BS. Now do you see where that gets you?

There have been whole treatises written on the engineering of crucifixion (will the nails hold, did they use rope, etc.). One might think he'd have at least looked into that.

"Rome" was by John Milius, a member of the NRA Board of Directors and the man who penned the line, "Go ahead, make my day." I'll bet this little fellow would have never watched that. I'll also lay money he couldn't pull off a real crucifixion if his soul depended on it.

@42 You may have confused Brian Dennehy with Brian Keith of Family Affair. He was in Jesus Christ Superstar, I think as the centurion. All Brians are pretty much alike.

Posted by: Comatus at April 30, 2012 11:10 AM (ZOlM3)

119 Barnabas...Collins? Or Barabbas..?

Posted by: Affenhauer at April 30, 2012 11:26 AM (7QZ6R)

120 3, 6, 8 and probably more. Maybe I should read some comments before I post, huh?

Posted by: Affenhauer at April 30, 2012 11:28 AM (7QZ6R)

121 You mean that crucifixation is an additional legitimate option when you ride into town? Quick, get me the NBPP. Chop chop!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at April 30, 2012 11:39 AM (qwK3S)

122 Why didn't you come to me like a fucking man and tell me crucifixion was an option?

Posted by: John Edwards at April 30, 2012 11:41 AM (qwK3S)

123 The first of many flattened by this bus.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky aka Lolo Ate My Poodle at April 30, 2012 12:11 PM (baL2B)

124 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 01:46 PM (7W3wI)

125 Those towns weren't Turkish back then. They were Greek/Anatolian. The Turks came along much later and threw the Greeks out. Thus the mild animosity that still exists between them.

Posted by: Gail at May 01, 2012 05:17 AM (f46PC)

126 There are so much to learn from your post here, Uma, well done.

Posted by: Kristin Cashore Bitterblue ePub at May 03, 2012 05:05 PM (dgVis)

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