June 20, 2012

Fed Once Again Revises Growth Estimates, Downwards, Ever Downwards
— Ace

And they're still highballing it. From the NYT:

Fed officials said they now expected the economy to expand between 1.9 percent and 2.4 percent this year, down from an April forecast of 2.4 percent to 2.9 percent.

The economic forecast, released separately, reflected reduced prospects for 2013 as well. The Fed estimated growth of between 2.2 percent and 2.8 percent, down from 2.7 percent and 3.1 percent in the April forecast.

Why do I say they're highballing it? Well, for one thing, they've consistently highballed it. Q1's initial reading came in at 2.2%, later revised down to 1.9%.

Now, the first quarter's GDP annualized growth rate was 1.9%, and Q2 seems to be falling even further.

So, Q3 and Q4 would have to come in at something like 3% to pull the average for the year up to "1.9% to 2.4%."

Does it seem likely? Is anyone feeling a sudden surge coming in the economy?

I don't. Europe is about to tank, for one thing. And our own "recovery" was weak, at best, even before any pulldown from the European toilet-swirl.

Posted by: Ace at 01:10 PM | Comments (81)
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1 boned

Posted by: Thistle P ( Pippi Bongstocking ) at June 20, 2012 01:11 PM (Dll6b)

2 First-ish!

Posted by: First at June 20, 2012 01:12 PM (RdCfV)

3 All we are saying is give Greece a chance.


Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:12 PM (KXm42)

4 You forgot the word "unexpectedly."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 20, 2012 01:12 PM (d0Tfm)

5 .... UNEEXPECTEDLY,.... Im sure

Posted by: fixerupper at June 20, 2012 01:12 PM (C8hzL)

6 The benefit to consistently highballing it is that we then get to hear how "unexpectedly" things aren't as rosy as they said.

Posted by: Joe at June 20, 2012 01:12 PM (RdCfV)

7 You were the first to number two, and that's o.k.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:13 PM (KXm42)

8
RAAAAACISTS!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chrissy Mathews at June 20, 2012 01:13 PM (C8hzL)

9 but... I was told there were green shoots.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 20, 2012 01:14 PM (6B5IX)

10 Pull up! Pull up!!!

Posted by: The Economy at June 20, 2012 01:14 PM (QKKT0)

11 There are green shoots! And mustard seeds!

Posted by: Larry Kudlow at June 20, 2012 01:15 PM (MtwBb)

12 We've been Zimbabwed.

Posted by: Cicero at June 20, 2012 01:15 PM (QKKT0)

13 Racism, straight up.

Posted by: Andy at June 20, 2012 01:15 PM (5Rurq)

14 Why should Greeks have to work?  They're God's gift to the world.  They built the mighty Acropolis, now they have retired.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:15 PM (KXm42)

15 Greece's economy is pancaking, with no solution in sight.  Spain's economy is what the Smart Guys used to call 'moribund'.  Italy is next...


the Swiss are selling their 2-year govt bonds at .33 % NEGATIVE interest ( to those in Eurozone countries who are certain that Swiss Francs will rise much more than that versus the Euro.


and in France, they're beginning a swan dive off the high board, with no water in the Pool


 

Posted by: Thistle P ( Pippi Bongstocking ) at June 20, 2012 01:16 PM (Dll6b)

16
Did I mention I got Bin Laden????

Posted by: The President of the United States at June 20, 2012 01:16 PM (C8hzL)

17 Unexpectedly doomed because of racism?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 20, 2012 01:16 PM (XSVkw)

18 Here I have a chart, look at my chart. No not that part of the chart, take that part off. Look at this part! See? Mustard seeds right there on the chart.

Posted by: Larry Kudlow at June 20, 2012 01:16 PM (MtwBb)

19 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 20, 2012 01:16 PM (8y9MW)

20 There is zero growth, none. In fact I would wager it is still negative all the way from 2008.

Posted by: Vic at June 20, 2012 01:17 PM (YdQQY)

21

"Oh well, I guess it's time for me to go to work again,"  said Lady Liberty. "Mitt, help me get these chains off and I'll see what I can   do for you."

 

"Tired?   Oh, no,  my child. It's what I do."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 20, 2012 01:17 PM (d0Tfm)

22 FOREWARD!

(Revised down to TWO-POINT-EIGHTWARD!)

Posted by: nickless at June 20, 2012 01:17 PM (MMC8r)

23 There is zero growth.

-----

I see wut you did there.

Bastard.

Posted by: The President of the United States at June 20, 2012 01:17 PM (C8hzL)

24 There is zero growth, none.

Yep.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:18 PM (KXm42)

25

I was told there were green shoots.

There were...until Rush Limbaugh fed them to a herd of Republican cattle.

Posted by: Little CheChe at June 20, 2012 01:18 PM (3SvjA)

26 But subpoena ignoring is up 700%.

Posted by: Cicero at June 20, 2012 01:18 PM (QKKT0)

27 Pull my finger.

Posted by: the invisible hand at June 20, 2012 01:19 PM (QupBk)

28 I could use a highball.

Posted by: maddogg at June 20, 2012 01:20 PM (OlN4e)

29 Just think what it would be if they pulled government spending from the GDP as they should since it is all circular money.


The last I heard government spending was now 49% of the GDP.

Posted by: Vic at June 20, 2012 01:21 PM (YdQQY)

30 Limbo economy!

Economy limbo lower now!

How low can you go?

Posted by: The Q at June 20, 2012 01:21 PM (LnQhT)

31 There is zero growth, none. In fact I would wager it is still negative all the way from 2008. Take away the deficit spending by the various levels of government from the GDP and it's definitely negative. We're not growing, we're pulling forward, at best.

Posted by: toby928© at June 20, 2012 01:21 PM (QupBk)

32
Growth at 1.9 percent?????   For the YEAR??????


I had some Thursdays do better than that.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan at June 20, 2012 01:21 PM (C8hzL)

33

Choom!

Posted by: Axelrod at June 20, 2012 01:21 PM (W2qJe)

34 DOOM!

Posted by: The Guy Who Yells DOOM! at June 20, 2012 01:21 PM (7+pP9)

35 Jinx, vic.

Posted by: toby928© at June 20, 2012 01:21 PM (QupBk)

36 Can we go back to talking about how Rick Santorum wants to play peek-a-boo in your bedroom? 

Posted by: Dems Everywhere at June 20, 2012 01:21 PM (TOk1P)

37 We are doing remarkably well. Gangbusters actually.

Posted by: The Beretta Manufacturing Company at June 20, 2012 01:22 PM (jucos)

38 In my language high ball =double. I'll have one!

Posted by: tasker at June 20, 2012 01:22 PM (r2PLg)

39 Solid B+

Posted by: Thin Skinned Teleprompter Reader at June 20, 2012 01:22 PM (W2qJe)

40 Highballs are overrated.

Posted by: Wesley Warren Jr at June 20, 2012 01:22 PM (QKKT0)

41 I've heard people state that F&F is a distraction from other issues, but personally, thats like calling the pork chops a distraction in the buffet. I say gimme somma alladatshit.

Posted by: maddogg at June 20, 2012 01:23 PM (OlN4e)

42 7.9% unemployment here we come.

Posted by: NIP at June 20, 2012 01:23 PM (8h0xr)

43 Make mine a double highball.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:23 PM (KXm42)

44 The Beretta Manufacturing Company at June 20, 2012 05:22 PM (jucos)

----

Well..... your the last toothpick holding up Italy's economy then......

Posted by: Spring Field Armory.... Made in the USA at June 20, 2012 01:24 PM (C8hzL)

45 Somehow, some way, racism is the cause.

Posted by: The Guy Who Blames Everything on Racism at June 20, 2012 01:24 PM (7+pP9)

46 Did we mention your food pantries are paying less for their groceries? 

Posted by: Dems Everywhere at June 20, 2012 01:24 PM (TOk1P)

47 Zero confidence in this administration

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at June 20, 2012 01:25 PM (Ho2rs)

48 It's the goddamned fires, raging from city to city, destroying all businesses. If only Bush had hired 1 basillion firemen (well, 20 firefighters and the rest all diversity outreach coordinators), we'd be seeing Boomtimes, the likes of which we haven't seen since, uh, the last democrat to have growth by hiring firefighters.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 20, 2012 01:25 PM (QxSug)

49 Jeebus new thread.

Posted by: tasker at June 20, 2012 01:25 PM (r2PLg)

50

thats like calling the pork chops a distraction in the buffet. I say gimme somma alladatshit.

I like your turn of a phrase.

You gonna finish that lasagna?

Posted by: fluffy at June 20, 2012 01:26 PM (3SvjA)

51 The economy is too much for even the greatest of great presidents to manage.

Posted by: MFM at June 20, 2012 01:26 PM (jfWE9)

52 Free cell phones for everybody!!

Posted by: Dems Everywhere at June 20, 2012 01:26 PM (TOk1P)

53 Of course they're high-balling it. I's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 20, 2012 01:26 PM (piMMO)

54

Maybe, just maybe, between the shitty economy and now teh SCOAMF looking like the reincarnation of Tricky Dicky, enough people will become turned off of the Dims that we can start winning elections for several years.

 

Even more if  Mitt gets the economy going again half  as well as  Ronaldus Magnus did. And if the Tea Party becomes more influential, then we could have a lasting, robust recovery,  roll this behemoth of a government back a good bit,   and put the Dims in the political doghouse for a long time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 20, 2012 01:27 PM (d0Tfm)

55 Jeebus

new thread.


This is the hill I die on.  Carry on I'll stay here.  Say goodbye to ancient Persia for me.

Remember.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:27 PM (KXm42)

56 I guess the guys aren't getting shirts.

Posted by: Dang at June 20, 2012 01:27 PM (Ky1+e)

57 Can I get me some food stamps here?

Posted by: John Kerry at June 20, 2012 01:28 PM (jza4U)

58 Is the European toilet swirl clockwise or counter-clockwise? Not that it matters, we're screwed anyway.

Posted by: dantesed at June 20, 2012 01:28 PM (gVDjD)

59 >>Is anyone feeling a sudden surge coming in the economy?

The economy is trying to do something in your mouth, but it just ain't happening.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 20, 2012 01:28 PM (ZKzrr)

60
I don't care
, Obama is awesome.


Posted by: The Shrinking 52% at June 20, 2012 01:29 PM (tXEHy)

61 Dudes.

2009 press conference:  http://bit.ly/MuWGVm

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 20, 2012 01:30 PM (piMMO)

62 We few...we happy few.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:30 PM (KXm42)

63
20 There is zero growth, none. In fact I would wager it is still negative all the way from 2008.

Posted by: Vic at June 20, 2012 05:17 PM (YdQQY)


Like how badly the Clintonistas really trashed the White House upon their departure, it's a story that will never be told.

Posted by: The Guy Who Says True Stuff at June 20, 2012 01:30 PM (7+pP9)

64 Xerxes Okay but beware of the eunuchs.

Posted by: tasker at June 20, 2012 01:32 PM (r2PLg)

65 So the smartest guy on the planet thought it would be a good idea to increase the unemployed ranks by over 800,000 at this moment?


****

No taxation without representation! How long before they get to vote?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 20, 2012 01:35 PM (piMMO)

66 Malaise!!!

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at June 20, 2012 01:38 PM (PEwU1)

67 All by myself.....

Don't wanna be....all by myself

Anymore.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:42 PM (KXm42)

68 ::sigh::

::looks to see if anyones looking::

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:43 PM (KXm42)

69 Maliase vinagrette.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:46 PM (KXm42)

70 You know, when it gets to the point where I consider this the GOOD news of the day, I just have to start thinking that some of you all might just be racists.

Posted by: Barack H. Obama at June 20, 2012 01:47 PM (smvTK)

71 Or malaise vinagrette.  As if anyone cares.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:48 PM (KXm42)

72 Catarina Murino

http://www.listal.com/viewimage/2657296

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:52 PM (KXm42)

73 Thread dead at 75?

Posted by: Vic at June 20, 2012 01:54 PM (YdQQY)

74 Stayin alive at 75.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 01:55 PM (KXm42)

75 Hey, I'm recovering, in a Liberal Democrat sort of way.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy at June 20, 2012 01:58 PM (IoNBC)

76 Catarina Murino

She'll do.  Bathe her and send her to my tent.

Posted by: nickless at June 20, 2012 01:58 PM (MMC8r)

77 I'm in lurve with her.

It's still in that awkward internet stalking phase.

Posted by: Xerxes at June 20, 2012 02:00 PM (KXm42)

78 Pull up! Pull up!!!

Posted by: The Economy at June 20, 2012 05:14 PM

 

Too low - terrain!  Too low - terrain!

Posted by: Bitching Betty at June 20, 2012 02:09 PM (KOHFD)

79 Federal Reserve = racisim

Posted by: Bow Tying White Boy at June 20, 2012 03:47 PM (Uh+y6)

80 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Steevy at June 20, 2012 03:47 PM (Ts9tU)

81 DOOM!

Posted by: Zombie Monty at June 20, 2012 04:20 PM (K3Nh7)

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