December 21, 2012
— Open Blogger I don't get the hand-wringing over Boehner's latest episode of stepping on his own dick. He's an ineffectual and therefore inconsequential Speaker, and I have no idea why anyone held out hope he'd come up with a political "win" here.
As if the passage of plan B was going to ever provide any significant political cover.
We, America, lost the war for the Economy on Nov 7.
Trying to find tiny nuggets of "Win" at the base of the of the mountain of DOOM seems a pointless attempt at face-saving and hope-casting. There's no face-saving in passing legislation you know will never see the light of day. And as the saying goes, "Shit in one hand, and hope in the other, and see which hand fills up first."
Screw"show" legislation, and dork false hope right under its double-rainbow tramp-stamp.
The Right has lost the battle of the checkbook. The Senate hasn't passed a budget in 4 years, and the country voted to continue this lawlessness.
May the Senate eternally sink on the barbed cock of Satan.
There was no possible "Win" available in plan B that would not have easily been ignored or recast by the dominant media to a fatuous electorate that has become addicted to reach-arounds.
Screw the Media, and the trite electorate they lead around by the nose.
Matter of fact, that goes double for claiming they can ban "bad" guns and somehow stop crazy people from doing what crazy people do.
If you all have done or are doing what you should be, (i.e.: Exercising your 2nd amendment rights), no gun ban will affect you. If they want to play at Fascism and try a real gun-grab, well, let's just say:
The "Cold, dead hands" Rule still applies, and is 300 million weapons strong (and counting).
So quit your worrying over milk that was spilled and dried up months ago.
It's Friday, and if ever there was a Friday in need of a hearty "Fuck It All", it is this one.
Embrace the FAIL, and remember, you can't spell FAIL without the "F", "I" and "A".
I'm heading back home to Tennessee in a few hours. Tonight I dine, I drink, and I bed my woman. Or she beds me, depending on what we drink.
I suggest the rest of you find something similarly rewarding. That's what weekends are for.
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SHUT.IT.DOWN
All they have to do is not pass a CR.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2012 10:14 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Bluto at December 21, 2012 10:23 AM (in4xn)
That there is the real answer. Our neighbors, family, friends, and associates have been donking our squeakholes for decades. Party's over.
"We" have no one to blame but ourselves. The Grand Experiment is probably over, too. What will the "mainstream" conclude? It's now time to blame "the purists".
LIB.
Posted by: John Boehner at December 21, 2012 10:24 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: L, Elle who wants a wookie this year for Christmas at December 21, 2012 10:24 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: ChampionCapua at December 21, 2012 10:24 AM (KZi9D)
Posted by: L, Elle who wants a wookie this year for Christmas at December 21, 2012 10:25 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: L, Elle who wants a wookie this year for Christmas at December 21, 2012 10:25 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Gromulin at December 21, 2012 10:25 AM (SNjPs)
Posted by: L, Elle who wants a wookie this year for Christmas at December 21, 2012 10:26 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: L, Elle who wants a wookie this year for Christmas at December 21, 2012 10:26 AM (0PiQ4)
Wine me. Dine me. Sixty-nine me.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at December 21, 2012 12:49 PM (kqqGm)
Fuck them all with Michelle's barbed cock
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 21, 2012 12:51 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 12:52 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at December 21, 2012 12:53 PM (kqqGm)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 12:54 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 12:54 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 12:55 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: krakatoa at December 21, 2012 12:55 PM (eCtnP)
Exactly right. Everybody loves them some "free" stuff from the government, even many of those who consider themselves 'conservative', while simultaneously believing that someone else ("the rich") are going to pay for it. The only way they'll ever see the folly of this is to give them every tax increase the liberals want, and eventually it will hit them in their own pocketbook. Then maybe they'll be change.
We've talked economic theory for over 25 years and they don't want to listen. Fine by me.There are other ways to get our points across.
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 21, 2012 12:56 PM (9GaPd)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 12:56 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 21, 2012 12:57 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 04:54 PM (I2LwF)
And anyone who disagrees with you is a racist. So you'll always be right
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 21, 2012 12:57 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 12:57 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: grease monkey at December 21, 2012 12:57 PM (VSWPU)
27 -
Take 'em down from the inside... we need more of us doing that. I know some people have a hard time being the "stealthy" conservative, but it can be done.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2012 12:59 PM (TOk1P)
We've got a media that's nowhere near as dead as we think it is who just managed to keep a guy in office that they put there originally who has no business doing anything out side of Race Grievance lectures at 2nd tier universities.
Do you really think there's hearts and minds to be won here? Stop thinking all we have to do is play three dimensional chess with congressional procedure here, you're fucking kidding yourself.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 21, 2012 12:59 PM (IgvLC)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 12:59 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 21, 2012 12:59 PM (IqMNQ)
Posted by: tubal at December 21, 2012 12:59 PM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at December 21, 2012 04:51 PM (kqqGm
**
Either something to do with world wide professional soccer or fucking friday.
Posted by: Barky the Carny Barker at December 21, 2012 12:59 PM (jvd3N)
Posted by: Sharron Akin O'Mourdock at December 21, 2012 01:00 PM (pmsMR)
Posted by: joncelli at December 21, 2012 01:02 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:02 PM (I2LwF)
I think the tipping point came when I heard that Alan West lost his House seat and Alan Grayson had been voted in. In Florida. At that point, I thought, what's the use?
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 21, 2012 01:02 PM (9GaPd)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 21, 2012 01:02 PM (+paCV)
Posted by: Amalgamated Foot Shooters, Local 157 at December 21, 2012 01:03 PM (BHM5V)
Well, as long as it's not RAPE rape.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 21, 2012 01:04 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:04 PM (I2LwF)
Obama to speak on the imaginary fiscal cliff in a few minutes.
Posted by: soothsayer in a barrel going over the cliff at December 21, 2012 05:02 PM (ptD6d)
I won. Now off to get pegged -- uh, have date night with Moochelle -- uh, Michelle!
Posted by: joncelli at December 21, 2012 01:04 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Dick Poulin at December 21, 2012 01:04 PM (sMt7r)
Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2012 01:04 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 21, 2012 01:05 PM (IgvLC)
Posted by: Virtuous Heathen at December 21, 2012 01:05 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2012 01:05 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 04:48 PM (I2LwF)
Such a great music video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4tKC6OV7Hs
(the censored version)
Posted by: © Sponge at December 21, 2012 01:06 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 01:07 PM (GBXon)
52 -
Personally, I've never been in love with the Republican Party, and I don't tend to make idols out of politicians... any of them.
I realize for some it's like they're going through the stages of grief, so they haven't quite figured out that what is dead is indeed, dead. But they will.
Lots of denial and anger and all that before they reach acceptance, but it'll come.
Who will we/they be when we all get there? I dunno. Not Republicans though, that much I know.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2012 01:07 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Cricket at December 21, 2012 01:08 PM (DrC22)
Posted by: tubal at December 21, 2012 01:08 PM (BoE3Z)
I'm now for higher taxes for everyone. The electorate wants big government, the electorate needs to pay for it, not the next generation of Americans.
Raise 'em up. Time to pay the bill.
Posted by: Warden at December 21, 2012 01:10 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: jakeman looking for an Olympiho at December 21, 2012 01:10 PM (96M6e)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:10 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: joncelli at December 21, 2012 01:10 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 21, 2012 01:10 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 21, 2012 01:10 PM (+paCV)
Now is the time to help bring pain to the dumb half of the electorate.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 01:10 PM (bb5+k)
As if the passage of plan B was going to ever provide any significant political cover.
It, in a nutshell.
Posted by: Entropy at December 21, 2012 01:12 PM (TULs6)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 04:48 PM (I2LwF)
Did I understand you correctly that you are going to write up commentary about how you felt there was massive election fraud last November? I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say regarding this.
It won't change anything, but I would still like to know for my own satisfaction.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 01:13 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 01:13 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Jim Scrummy at December 21, 2012 01:14 PM (Vu3LY)
>>My message on the environment will be simple. The central tenet will be, Local issues require local management.
Provided we can fence in California.
Posted by: Colorado, Montana, Arizona, and parts of Idaho at December 21, 2012 01:14 PM (o8AEP)
Posted by: YaHump at December 21, 2012 01:14 PM (XMCQO)
Posted by: KG at December 21, 2012 01:15 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:15 PM (jE38p)
Yep. It really is that simple. "What cannot continue... won't." Hard to know how rapid the collapse but it is inevitable.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 21, 2012 01:15 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: chi-town Jerry at December 21, 2012 01:15 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 21, 2012 01:15 PM (XvHmy)
Rubio was correct in saying that the government taxes things that it wants people to use less of.
Yet they never seem to figure that out........
Posted by: © Sponge at December 21, 2012 01:16 PM (UK9cE)
Do you really think there's hearts and minds to be won here? Stop thinking all we have to do is play three dimensional chess with congressional procedure here, you're fucking kidding yourself.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 21, 2012 04:59 PM (IgvLC)
Absolutely correct. The War was fought on Television where we have precious few assets. Unless we seize an hold the Television assets which the Left possesses, we are wasting our time talking about any sort of other strategy.
My understanding is that Glenn Beck is trying to make the "Blaze" into a major media asset. At least it's an effort in the right direction.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 01:17 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 01:17 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: Cricket at December 21, 2012 05:08 PM (DrC22)
America voted for everything but economic issues. The idiots voted for all of the stupid tripe the Democrats and media put out to distract them from the economy. And the rest of the votes were from the Free Shit Army and other assorted anti-American losers
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 21, 2012 01:17 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: jakeman at December 21, 2012 01:17 PM (96M6e)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 21, 2012 05:15 PM (XvHmy)
What?
You mean that you don't have a fortified second home with well water, enough land to grow all of your food, ample stocks of essentials, some secondary source of power, and the people to run it?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2012 01:17 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Ronster at December 21, 2012 01:18 PM (JgkPs)
that's actually a good plan!
we set up a Conservative Business database
sorta like a Conservative yellow wiki-pages
if you live in Missouri, for instance, you can edit the database to add all of the conservative-owned businesses in your area
Posted by: soothsayer in a barrel going over the cliff at December 21, 2012 01:18 PM (ptD6d)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at December 21, 2012 01:18 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at December 21, 2012 01:18 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:18 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: jakeman at December 21, 2012 05:17 PM (96M6e)
Yeah, but the odds stink.
That bet will pay ten cents.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2012 01:18 PM (GsoHv)
by jove, I think we've actually found something we can do!
this could actually have an impact, too
Posted by: soothsayer in a barrel going over the cliff at December 21, 2012 01:19 PM (ptD6d)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 21, 2012 05:15 PM (XvHmy)
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If we, as Americans, have any balls, that should change.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 01:19 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 01:19 PM (bxiXv)
You have an extremely marketable skill. You will not starve. And if you stockpile anesthetics, you'll be the most popular guy in the world.
The foot-powered drill might suck, but.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2012 01:20 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 01:20 PM (GBXon)
It's hard to look past how MANY stayed home in November. There were more "free shit" voters than there were voters willing to take a chance on Romney.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 21, 2012 01:20 PM (UK9cE)
That's easy for you to say....you have ampersands!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2012 01:21 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: southdakotaboy at December 21, 2012 01:21 PM (RmKKm)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:22 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: Weird looking critter [/i] at December 21, 2012 01:22 PM (feFL6)
I'm now for higher taxes for everyone. The electorate wants big government, the electorate needs to pay for it, not the next generation of Americans.
Raise 'em up. Time to pay the bill.
Posted by: Warden at December 21, 2012 05:10 PM (HzhBE)
I agree with this, and the first thing we need to do is repeal the Hollywood tax cuts.
The Strategy reminds me of this:
Smokey the Bear heads
into the autumn woods
with a red can of gasoline
and a box of wooden matches.
His ranger's hat is cocked
at a disturbing angle.
His brown fur gleams
under the high sun
as his paws, the size
of catcher's mitts,
crackle into the distance.
He is sick of dispensing
warnings to the careless,
the half-wit camper,
the dumbbell hiker.
He is going to show them
how a professional does it.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 01:22 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 01:22 PM (GBXon)
She loves them, and and currently has about 5 things going in the kitchen while I multi-task AoS Hq and my dvr, while reclining.
This Evil Genius stuff is easy.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 21, 2012 01:23 PM (aZ6ew)
The 1st Amd. compels me to produce this awesome concept even though I'm certain it will have no impact on American culture.
Posted by: Hollywood at December 21, 2012 01:24 PM (eHIJJ)
Plan B was stupid, but it's what it says about our current crop of Republicans: they have no interest in actually crafting solutions, and are completely lacking in strategic thinking. Being in the minority means you make compromises or you go home. These guys need to go home.
And since we obviously have no interest in governing, the left will be more than happy to fill our shoes, especially when 2014 rolls around and they control POTUS, the Senate, and the House. Great job!
Posted by: sanity at December 21, 2012 01:24 PM (RVjIg)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 01:26 PM (GBXon)
We at GEICO* appreciate your anti-government sentiment.
* Government Employees Insurance Company
Huh...? Really? The Gecko is a government worker? I have Geico... I'm not a government employee...
Posted by: Entropy at December 21, 2012 01:26 PM (TULs6)
Excuse me. Have we met?
Posted by: Nov. 7, 2012 at December 21, 2012 01:27 PM (eHIJJ)
This is both true and fundamentally conservative.
Mine is simpler.
Fuck the environment. What did it ever do for me? Oh, what's this? Is it winter? Thanks, Mr. Environment, thanks for the subzero temperatures. Merry Christmas to me!
I want global warming, dammit!
Posted by: AmishDude at December 21, 2012 01:27 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 21, 2012 05:15 PM (XvHmy)
I just can't buy into the whole 'Let It Burn' deal, and I'm not even sure what that phrase means other than to assume an attitude of total apathy to whatever happens, and I can't. I love my country, served my country, got shot at for my country. Took an oath. Right now, a pack of Marxist socialist weasels is awash in the glow, congratulating themselves on a won election and a splintered opposition, scheming on how best to make this country a quasi-soviet, authoritarian nightmare.
No, 'Let It Burn' won't do in times like these. Something else is required.
Posted by: troyriser at December 21, 2012 01:28 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 21, 2012 01:28 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Entropy at December 21, 2012 05:26 PM (TULs6)
They privatized because there's MUCH more money to be made off of a stupid animal and a liberal voice guy than there is giving freeloading congress people free shit.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 21, 2012 01:28 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 01:29 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: OJ Simpson [/i] at December 21, 2012 01:29 PM (feFL6)
Huh...? Really? The Gecko is a government worker? I have Geico... I'm not a government employee...
Posted by: Entropy at December 21, 2012 05:26 PM (TULs6)
Geico stands for Government. Employees. Insurance. COmpany. It is liberal, and people ought not support it.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 01:29 PM (bb5+k)
I've reversed political positions.
I'm now for higher taxes for everyone. The electorate wants big government, the electorate needs to pay for it, not the next generation of Americans.
Raise 'em up. Time to pay the bill.
Posted by: Warden at December 21, 2012 05:10 PM (HzhBE)
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Yep.
And hey...it's just a return to the Clinton Taxes.
Everybody loves BJ Clinton, right?
And everything that Clinton did was cool and stimulated the economy, right?
So what's wrong with going back to the Clinton Tax Rates?
The 90's were great, and the economy was great.
So how can the Dems complain about going back to the Clinton Taxes.
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 01:29 PM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:29 PM (I2LwF)
Pretty pie crust for pies with a top crust...put a small amount of milk in a dish or glass, about a tablespoon. Using your clean fingers or a pastry brush, lightly brush the top of the pie with the milk. Then take as small amount of sugar and sprinkle it on the damp crust. After the edges have browned, take aluminum foil and put a small strip around the edges of the crust to keep it from burning. Your pie crust will brown beautifully and look like it was sprinkled with diamonds.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at December 21, 2012 01:30 PM (kXoT0)
By all means, enlighten us with your superior strategic thinking. Share your brilliant plan with the class.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 21, 2012 01:30 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:30 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: TGIF at December 21, 2012 01:30 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 21, 2012 01:30 PM (9SwFX)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 21, 2012 01:31 PM (9SwFX)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 21, 2012 01:32 PM (Y5I9o)
Anyone want to join me in volunteering to work on Ben Affleck's Senate campaign?
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 21, 2012 01:32 PM (x0dlI)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:29 PM (I2LwF)
If I am doing what I ought to be doing, i'll probably be gone by then. (Got a lead on a 23KW generator for $700.00 ) On the other hand, sometimes I just don't feel like doing what I ought to be doing, so who knows?
If I don't catch you in the next post, i'll ask again next time I see you.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 01:32 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2012 01:34 PM (DuH+r)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2012 01:34 PM (DuH+r)
Also did chocolate chip cookies, sugar cookies and lemon white chocolate biscotti.
An extremely successful day.
Posted by: DangerGirl at December 21, 2012 01:34 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 01:34 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 21, 2012 01:34 PM (+paCV)
In 1996, GEICO became a wholly owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, headed by Warren Buffett, one of the country's most successful investors.
FUCK Geico....and that annoying fucking gecko.....and the libtard douche voice guy.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 21, 2012 01:35 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 21, 2012 05:32 PM (Y5I9o)
Dunno yet. I'm giving it thought. I'm going to the range tomorrow to zero my early xmas present, a new (old surplus Yugo 59/66) SKS. Shooting, for me, calms the nerves and clarifies the mind. I'll come up with something.
Posted by: troyriser at December 21, 2012 01:36 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:36 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 21, 2012 01:36 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:36 PM (jE38p)
The Republican party lets the Media set the agenda and the details. The Republicans never fight any of this, so they will always lose when they play by the Media rules.
A caller to Rush's show yesterday (I think) said he went to Romney rally and asked Mitt if he was going to attack Obama. Mitt said "No." There's a concession speech right there in one word.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2012 01:37 PM (DuH+r)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 05:34 PM (jE38p)
I was gonna go to a presser, but then I got high, then I got high, then I got high....
Posted by: © Sponge at December 21, 2012 01:37 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: jakeman at December 21, 2012 01:37 PM (96M6e)
Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2012 01:38 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:38 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jake Was Here at December 21, 2012 01:38 PM (oBXuz)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 21, 2012 01:39 PM (tkoGU)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 21, 2012 01:39 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:39 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:40 PM (I2LwF)
I'm sick of all the bullsh*t from the media and the Democrats. I wish that today was TEOTWAWKI, so we didn't have to deal with any more of the crap from the Feds.
Posted by: Smokey Behr at December 21, 2012 01:40 PM (QyeW7)
For home protection....is a simple revolver enough? I don't own an evil gun. But I'd like to buy one. I've shot a 9mm a few times, a lot to handle. Wife wants something simple too that she can point and shoot.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 01:40 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 05:34 PM (GBXon)
Resisting tyranny has never been about saving quislings and fools. It's the one and only instance where one can say 'we're doing it for the children' without cringing with embarrassment.
Posted by: troyriser at December 21, 2012 01:41 PM (vtiE6)
2) stupid money decisions. Romney killed himself by hiring people who are more interested in enriching themselves than in winning, or were incompetent.
3) ORCA. Dynamite idea, criminally bad execution.
4) Romney never went negative. Big mistake.
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:38 PM (I2LwF)
Don't 2 and 3 go together because it was the fucking contractors that were in charge of that shit?
Posted by: © Sponge at December 21, 2012 01:41 PM (UK9cE)
You can always find lard...hint: shop in a grocery store that does a lot of business with Mexicans and Blacks. They use a lot of lard in their cooking.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at December 21, 2012 01:41 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:41 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 21, 2012 01:41 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Cricket at December 21, 2012 01:42 PM (2ArJQ)
Even a 22LR DA revolver is better than an empty hand.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 21, 2012 01:42 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 05:30 PM (jE38p)
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This is the reason Boehner got rid of the conservative rebels on the committees. Once it gets passed the House committees, it will have a majority in the House vote. Dems will vote for this too.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 01:42 PM (f0v+E)
Then if you buy a gun, don't invest in a lot of ammo.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 21, 2012 01:43 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 01:43 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Charles Darwin at December 21, 2012 01:43 PM (6TB1Z)
Two bottles of home-made pear wine on the front porch chillin'. (thanks Draco, you're magnifico!)
I have all the ingredients for cookie bake-fest 2012.
There is one bottle of rhum ready to meet mister egg-nog. I have a noggin.
Let it burn, all save my cookies.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 21, 2012 01:44 PM (N+Crj)
You know what happens to a state that reforms their voting process to the point where fraud is non-existent and recounts are a snap. It gradually turns Republican because the Dims cannot win consistently if they can't count on vote fraud. It happened in Oklahoma, we now have it all--Governor, both State Houses, both Senators and all Congress Critters.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at December 21, 2012 01:44 PM (kXoT0)
Beset us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 21, 2012 01:45 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 05:40 PM (1JAxC)
Yes, revolvers are fine. It's a matter of personal preference, but I suggest going with a big caliber, one starting with a '4'; i.e., .44 magnum, .44 Special, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .40 S&W. Usually not so much to handle since the weight/mass of a largish frame will absorb most of the recoil. I keep a scary big .45 SA Colt revolver as my bedside weapon.
Posted by: troyriser at December 21, 2012 01:45 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 21, 2012 01:45 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:45 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:45 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 01:46 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 21, 2012 01:46 PM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: troyriser at December 21, 2012 01:47 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 21, 2012 01:47 PM (jucos)
1) Fraud. 337K votes in four states. Obama didn't get more EVs through voting. He got them by stealing.
2) stupid money decisions. Romney killed himself by hiring people who are more interested in enriching themselves than in winning, or were incompetent.
3) ORCA. Dynamite idea, criminally bad execution.
4) Romney never went negative. Big mistake.
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:38 PM (I2LwF)
More or less what I suspected after reading various articles on the subject. The only thing I can add to this is that supposedly a group of hackers attacked ORCA, and they may be partially or even completely responsible for it's terrible execution.
That Romney never went negative is the biggest of the mistakes. That was a Rose which was begging to be plucked. The man has been the most incompetent and corrupt Precedent in History.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 01:47 PM (bb5+k)
Either I'm a tin foil hat loon or were all ignoring the 800 lb donkey in the room.
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:45 PM (I2LwF)
I don't. Vote fraud is real and it costs us every time.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at December 21, 2012 01:47 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:48 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:48 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 01:49 PM (1JAxC)
If you need more than five or six shots, you probably don't have time for more than a couple anyway.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 21, 2012 01:49 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 21, 2012 01:49 PM (GBXon)
Either I'm a tin foil hat loon or were all ignoring the 800 lb donkey in the room.
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:45 PM (I2LwF)
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I'm sure there was fraud. There is always fraud. I just don't buy that it was 5 million votes worth of fraud.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 01:49 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 05:49 PM (1JAxC)
Yes. You load them with five, and keep the hammer on the empty chamber.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 21, 2012 01:50 PM (Qxe/p)
190 What? Was Teh JEF flapping his lips or something?
Yeah...he said something about 'Middle class tax cuts expiring'.
But that can't be right.
Everyone knows that the Bush Tax Cuts were only "tax cuts for the rich!"
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 01:50 PM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2012 01:50 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 01:51 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at December 21, 2012 05:44 PM (kXoT0)
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And there you have it, 'rons and 'ettes. It's what I've been saying. It's going to be up to local and state governments to turn this bitch around.
It should be obvious now that national politics ain't gonna cut it if we want to keep our freedom. Start getting involved with your state and city governmnts.
You people in blue states...........move.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 01:51 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 01:51 PM (1JAxC)
if the clerk has a problem answering your questions or gets impatient, turn around and go to another store
Posted by: soothsayer in a barrel going over the cliff at December 21, 2012 01:53 PM (ptD6d)
202 stupid question....do revolvers have safeties?
Some do.
It's a little lever sort of thingy that slides against the revolving thingy where the bullets are.
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 01:53 PM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:54 PM (I2LwF)
We should have a thread sometime on the subject of recoil
I recoil when i see a picture of Nanci Pelosi
Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 21, 2012 01:54 PM (N+Crj)
When you consider the month of early voting and the near-zero oversight of the process, it becomes far more credible.
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:54 PM (I2LwF)
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True.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 01:54 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 01:55 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 21, 2012 01:55 PM (k9osu)
Posted by: Minuteman at December 21, 2012 01:55 PM (qs9G3)
It's a little lever sort of thingy that slides against the revolving thingy where the bullets are.
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 05:53 PM (K4wCe)
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Wow. The technology. It baffles.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 01:56 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 01:56 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 05:51 PM (1JAxC)
http://tinyurl.com/cr7urry
These will NOT be on the list.
Registration also not required.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 21, 2012 01:56 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at December 21, 2012 01:56 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 01:56 PM (I2LwF)
When you consider the month of early voting and the near-zero oversight of the process, it becomes far more credible.
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:54 PM (I2LwF)
There is no doubt in my mind that making it easier for the lazy and worthless to vote is counter to the best interest of our nation. I also have little doubt that much fraud crept in as a result of this early voting, plus all the successful efforts at excluding military ballots.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 21, 2012 01:56 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 01:58 PM (bxiXv)
I'd like to shoot out every single HID headlight on the road.
You have to be a real big huge dildo to need HID lamps on your old piece of shit car, and aim them directly in the eyes of the driver in front of you.
Posted by: soothsayer in a barrel going over the cliff at December 21, 2012 01:58 PM (ptD6d)
Posted by: Jake Was Here at December 21, 2012 01:59 PM (oBXuz)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 01:59 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 21, 2012 01:59 PM (FScar)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:01 PM (XDC0v)
For a MONTH?
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:56 PM (I2LwF)
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I get your point. But the vote total was less in 2012 than 2008.
And let's say there are 5 early voting centers for a month and on election day there are 50 voting centers. It seems like for a month it's the same people voting as they do on ED. But in reality it's long lines at a few places vs. long times at a lot of places.
Again, I'm not saying there isn't fraud. I just don't believe Romney would have won even if 100% of the fraud didn't exist.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:02 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:02 PM (XDC0v)
Well, I just wish people would stop fucking telling me I NEED one.
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You still have the dignity of choice, you know that don't you? Do those "people" tell you how to vote?
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 02:03 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 02:03 PM (YUttk)
Either I'm a tin foil hat loon or were all ignoring the 800 lb donkey in the room.
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 05:45 PM (I2LwF)
I've said the same to anyone that will listen. The precondition at the end of my statement is usually the sticking point.
People were looking for an enormous ACORN-style dead voter invasion,
while targeted electronic fraud in key swing counties is more effective, efficient, and harder to detect.
Something stunk "just enough" about that last result.
Just enough
Posted by: ontherocks at December 21, 2012 02:03 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 21, 2012 02:03 PM (q177U)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 02:03 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at December 21, 2012 02:04 PM (P3dtw)
What about Cabela's? There's one 5 miles from me.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:05 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:05 PM (XDC0v)
Just got through my 2d Amendment inventory. I'm set. Guns, ammo (for shooting and barter), magazines and the will to use them if the time comes.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 02:05 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:05 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 21, 2012 02:06 PM (q177U)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 06:03 PM (YUttk)
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I got some serious learning to do. I'm not even sure what it is you said 
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:06 PM (1JAxC)
There's no reason to keep an empty chamber in a revolver made in the last 20 years or so, with the possible exception of some Old West replicas.
Practically all have hammer block safeties now. You can put the gun in a vise and hit it with a hammer without having it go off unless the trigger is pulled.
The only safety you need is between your thumb and middle finger.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 21, 2012 02:07 PM (SY2Kh)
Boehner was trying to "do something". I think he should just go home and relax while we all watch the dems "do something". They need to take ownership for once.
Posted by: carolina at December 21, 2012 02:07 PM (/M0gK)
Posted by: Jake Was Here at December 21, 2012 02:07 PM (oBXuz)
I have a family though, and I need to be able to protect them. It's a tough nut to crack.
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 21, 2012 06:06 PM (q177U)
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That's me as well. I've shot guns on 5 or 6 occasions and each time I did I felt uncomfortable doing it. But I want protection and also I want to give my own little fuck you to Obama and Co by purchasing one (or 3).
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:08 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:09 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:09 PM (XDC0v)
The "Senate has not passed a budget in four years" is pure wingnut myth.
Posted by: Gilbert Grabass at December 21, 2012 02:09 PM (eJt5B)
I have a family though, and I need to be able to protect them. It's a tough nut to crack.
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 21, 2012 06:06 PM (q177U)
I own and know how to use them.
My first line of defense for the house, though, goes WOOF rather loudly.
That gives me time to evaluate what else is needed.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 21, 2012 02:09 PM (Qxe/p)
The only safety you need is between your thumb and middle finger.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 21, 2012 06:07 PM (SY2Kh)
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That's a big plus for me.
What's the downside then?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:10 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 21, 2012 02:10 PM (q177U)
Momma's little baby loves shortnin' shortnin', mommas little baby loves shortnin' bread.
Posted by: Joe "singalong" Biden at December 21, 2012 02:11 PM (dFUso)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:11 PM (XDC0v)
The "Senate has not passed a budget in four years" is pure wingnut myth.
Posted by: Gilbert Grabass at December 21, 2012 06:09 PM (eJt5B)
____________________________________________
Great. Thanks for the info. You can go back to Kos now.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:11 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Donald Vance at December 21, 2012 02:12 PM (4nNxd)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 02:12 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:13 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 02:14 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:14 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 02:15 PM (T0lrq)
It's wayyy past time that conservatives got over worrying about what the left thinks of them. That's one reason I ended up liking LaPierre's presser today. He told *them* for a change. We all need to do more of that.
No more staying quiet. We're all on a list already anyway, so whenever some dipshit fawns over Obama, let them know Obama is the first Anti-American president. When they say guns are the problem, ask them why they hate little children so very, very much.
Posted by: K-Bob at December 21, 2012 02:16 PM (fklmM)
How much money did the Budget Control Act specifically allocate to the EPA? The FBI? Farm Subsidies? Food Stamps?
It didn't? Then it's not a budget, imbecile.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 21, 2012 02:16 PM (SY2Kh)
tinyurl.com/2kgbzz
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 06:14 PM (YUttk)
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Chill man. I was making a joke. I have to do my homework and figure out what I need. And soon I'll be able to "talk the talk". That's all.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:16 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Jake Was Here at December 21, 2012 02:16 PM (oBXuz)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 06:14 PM (XDC0v)
You do evil things carrying steak?
The WOOF is a heads-up when you and your steak are still 50 feet away.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 21, 2012 02:17 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 21, 2012 06:12 PM (I2LwF)
There was a day when the press, America's "Watchdog of Democracy" might have been interested enough to look into that possibility.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 21, 2012 02:18 PM (QKKT0)
http://www.politicmo.com/2012/05/17/u-s-senate-holds-election-year-budget-votes
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2012 02:19 PM (53z96)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 21, 2012 02:19 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2012 02:20 PM (54vf8)
Republican Rep. Steven LaTourette said that Boehner is not to blame for the stalemate, the Tea Party is.
“I don’t know what the number is but say the number is 40 out of 240 – that’s not a repudiation of his leadership. That’s the same 40, 50 chuckleheads that all year … have screwed this place up. And he has done everything in his power to make nice to them, to bring them along, to make them feel included, but it hasn’t mattered,” he said.
Sit on it, Potsi....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 21, 2012 02:20 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 06:14 PM (XDC0v)
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Some dogs, yes. Some no.
I have a dog that would rip your hand off if you entered my house holding a pound of Kobe steak, he didn't know who you are and I didn't tell him it's OK. On the other hand I also have a dog that would not only eat the the steak, after eating it he'd go lick your face.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:20 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:21 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 02:21 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:22 PM (1JAxC)
Someone said something about Dingy Harry and a spending bill to take us through the first few months of the year to avoid "the cliff" originating in the Senate in order to put the Republicans in to the wringer. It seems laughable at first blush since all spending bills are supposed to originate in the house. But then that assumes the Republicans ( or the house for that matter) would assert their constitutional authority. Damn I kill me some times....
Of course they could just walk away and shut down the gummint until an actual budget was passed.
Well...back to the scotch..
Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 21, 2012 02:23 PM (6Uk7l)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 06:21 PM (YUttk)
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Heh.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:23 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: Machine [/i] at December 21, 2012 02:23 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:23 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:24 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:26 PM (XDC0v)
Bo gets airsick. They had the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan reschedule their latest mission to deliver the little guy all safe and sound.
Probably.
Posted by: K-Bob at December 21, 2012 02:26 PM (fklmM)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:26 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 21, 2012 06:18 PM (QKKT0)
That alone would be bad enough, but today they'd viciously Alinsky any racist crackpot that did this on his own.
Like the law that says all internet things devolve into Hitler discussions,
we come back to the MFM and it's primal guilt in the death of our nation.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 21, 2012 02:26 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:27 PM (XDC0v)
If you've never had experience with a firearm, contact your local sportsman's club. They can get you hooked up with a firearms instructor who can start you down the correct path.
This will help keep you from being a statistic.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2012 02:27 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 02:27 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Jake Was Here at December 21, 2012 06:16 PM (oBXuz)
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Poor baby. You're just so pathetic.
Your self-pity doesn't impress me.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 02:28 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: Machine [/i] at December 21, 2012 02:30 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:30 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Minuteman at December 21, 2012 02:30 PM (qs9G3)
Posted by: Rich at December 21, 2012 02:31 PM (tDsAn)
Posted by: krakatoa at December 21, 2012 02:32 PM (eCtnP)
Posted by: Eric "Eric" Ericson at December 21, 2012 02:35 PM (qs9G3)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:36 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 21, 2012 02:37 PM (kZ1LX)
Bottom line, we aren't as screwed as we think we are, even if it gets pretty damned bad.
Check it out here--> http://tinyurl.com/bqcxafp
(That links to my comment with the "slient links" in it. You can read it first or watch Bill Whittle first, either way.)
Posted by: K-Bob at December 21, 2012 02:37 PM (fklmM)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:37 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:38 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: cranky-d at December 21, 2012 02:39 PM (BB0lA)
275...The WOOF is a heads-up when you and your steak are still 50 feet away.
Yep. Dogs are a good early warning system.
Even the little ones will yap and warn you that something is up.
My dog, thankfully, will not eat or drink anything that I don't give him.
I didn't even teach him this.
He developed this on his own...probably because I was the one feeding him and taking care of him when he was a puppy.
The down side to this, is that I can't leave him with anyone and go away for a few days....or he would go without eating.
Even when my husband feeds him, if I'm not there to say "It's okay", he won't touch the food, no matter how good it is.
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 02:39 PM (K4wCe)
America is similar to 1934 Germany at this point. Hopefull it will not take 11 more years to retake the country
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 02:40 PM (bd98e)
Obama has no such luxury, without any real sector moving the markets in the future. Clinton also had a balanced budget with fewer regs due to a GOP Senate and House
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 02:43 PM (bd98e)
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 06:40 PM (bd98e)
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The Germans had a war to teach them. Without that I think it'll take a couple of generations to correct the shit here in the US.
It MUST start with the education system.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 02:44 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:44 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:44 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2012 02:44 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: krakatoa at December 21, 2012 02:45 PM (eCtnP)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 21, 2012 02:45 PM (dz49O)
Posted by: OffendedMan at December 21, 2012 02:45 PM (MvApi)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:46 PM (XDC0v)
I be tired of the gloom and doom. A bit ago, I took spastic lab outside, and wandered around the property, looking at the Christmas light we put up. It's snowing, they look luminescent and beautiful through it. Actually lumped up some looking at them.
It ISNT over, not by half--but the fix will be at the local and state level. Forget DC.
I can't subscribe to LIB, it's as if I were quitting on this country I fought and bled for. While there is breath in me the battle will continue. I understand the thinking behind LIB, but sorry, can't do it.
In any event, please remember the reason for the season and celebrate that.
Merry Christmas, good people.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2012 02:46 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: krakatoa at December 21, 2012 02:46 PM (eCtnP)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:46 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Jake Was Here at December 21, 2012 02:47 PM (oBXuz)
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 02:47 PM (bd98e)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:48 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:49 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:49 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 02:49 PM (bd98e)
Posted by: krakatoa at December 21, 2012 06:46 PM (eCtnP)
You have to use brackets....[ ]....to enclose the comands.
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 02:49 PM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 21, 2012 02:50 PM (dz49O)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:50 PM (XDC0v)
It ISNT over, not by half--but the fix will be at the local and state level. Forget DC.
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Agree 100%, IG. Enjoy your Christmas. I intend on enjoying mine.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 02:50 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 02:51 PM (bd98e)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:51 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:52 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: krakatoa at December 21, 2012 02:53 PM (eCtnP)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 02:53 PM (1JAxC)
Chinese Secret police kill millions every year, but they have the gaul to push gun control
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 02:53 PM (bd98e)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:53 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:54 PM (bxiXv)
krakatoa,
Looks like you've got it now.
Yeah, Pixy doesn't like the little < > arrow thingys...you have to use the [ ] brackets.
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 02:54 PM (K4wCe)
Posted by: model_1066 at December 21, 2012 02:54 PM (bmIPO)
Posted by: Joe in MI at December 21, 2012 02:54 PM (3R8wQ)
Posted by: Minuteman at December 21, 2012 02:54 PM (qs9G3)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 06:49 PM (XDC0v)
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By nature I'm a pessimist and a depressive. But, I've found a way of life that will give me a repreive from that by doing some simple things on a daily basis.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 02:54 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 02:54 PM (T0lrq)
Not a cure all, but try getting some sunshine every day, if you can.
Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2012 02:55 PM (z9HTb)
Try the "she's already burnt" approach. Sure, there's some hardship ahead. But hell, there was hardship ahead even halfway through Reagan's terms. Just focus on surviving the aftermath and don't spend any time with idiots who voted to destroy the country. As I wrote elsewhere, we are never again going to see liberty from sea to sea. Look what the New York state legislature is getting ready to do.
[ here ---> http://tinyurl.com/d9u3vsh ]
So let's focus on making the remaining states better. Maybe someday America 2.0 will rise from the ashes.
Posted by: K-Bob at December 21, 2012 02:55 PM (fklmM)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:55 PM (XDC0v)
But wha tis up with Idaho. They and Mississippi are going to implement exchanges? Is Butch Otter a big RINO?
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 02:56 PM (bd98e)
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 06:53 PM (bd98e)
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Fuck the Chinese. They're stupid. Have you seen the way they write?
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 02:57 PM (f0v+E)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:57 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 02:57 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 02:59 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 02:59 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:01 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2012 06:57 PM (f0v+E) "
And on top of that, the Communist Party completely fucked up whatever charm their writing might have had by fucking with it.
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Now you have just hurt my feelings.
Posted by: Candidate Huntsman at December 21, 2012 03:01 PM (VMcEw)
It's because they have to hold their pencils with chopsticks.
Posted by: K-Bob at December 21, 2012 03:02 PM (fklmM)
Posted by: krakatoa at December 21, 2012 03:03 PM (eCtnP)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:03 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:04 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:06 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 03:06 PM (bxiXv)
I'm focusing more on my clandestine anti Uncle Barack stuff. Plus, it's way more fun to be secretly anti government and deviant, rather than being an deluded cheerleading Demformist.
/it's my word of the day. Demformist!
Posted by: shibumi at December 21, 2012 03:08 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: John Stark of the NH Starks at December 21, 2012 03:08 PM (0JB89)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:08 PM (T0lrq)
Whatever comes next needs to back its currency with natural resources. Then we'll have credit coming out of the gate.
I presume the eco-freaks won't survive the collapse, so there should be less resistance then
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:08 PM (xpgUt)
Good thing Ralphie got his Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred shot Range Model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time before the year is out.
Posted by: Cynthia at December 21, 2012 03:09 PM (lhhNH)
Being a NY resident, I'm watching with unease to see what shape Cuomo's proposals take. A quick read shows more of the same bullshit that only impacts the law abiding people.
Of course, there is ample support for whatever comes down, since the Dems have the power. I'm thinking it will be a case of how much overreach they can get away with.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2012 03:13 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:14 PM (T0lrq)
I figure they will survive at the same rate as everybody else.
"But you're killing Gaia!!" will become synonymous with "I want to wear a yoke and pull a plow"
Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2012 03:15 PM (z9HTb)
Such hyperbole. The entire union couldn't write checks on that scale if we had a warehouse full of autopens.
Posted by: The Int'l Sisterhood of Drunken Crack Whores and Related Trades at December 21, 2012 03:16 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 21, 2012 03:17 PM (QKKT0)
They're mostly urbanites. The collapse won't be good for them unless they adapt quickly to rat on a stick.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:18 PM (xpgUt)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 21, 2012 03:18 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:18 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2012 07:13 PM (SAMxH)
Confiscation is a scary thing...which is what Cuomo is talking about right now.
Last month, there were stories about all those people who were having to find ways to defend themselves from looters, after Hurricane Sandy.
I wonder what they think about this.
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 03:18 PM (K4wCe)
Coincidentally, I'm coming out with a timely book on beating your bitches into plowshares.
Posted by: Ike Turner at December 21, 2012 03:20 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 21, 2012 03:20 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Machine [/i] at December 21, 2012 03:20 PM (feFL6)
Plus they'll be the first batch of Soylent. I suggest everyone also stock up on Beeno because they'll be pretty starchy.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 21, 2012 03:21 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 06:55 PM (XDC0v)
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It may sound cliche or corny or whatever but our grandparents had freedom. I'll trade in my iPad and 500 channels in a second to get that back.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 03:21 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:22 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 21, 2012 03:22 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 03:23 PM (bxiXv)
NY has gun registration. Registration lists invariably turn into confiscation lists under totalitarian regimes
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:23 PM (xpgUt)
"But you're killing Gaia!!" will become synonymous with "I want to wear a yoke and pull a plow"
Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2012 07:15 PM (z9HTb)
If they are extremely fortunate, they'll be living the rest of their miserable short lives as field labor.
Posted by: model_1066 at December 21, 2012 03:23 PM (bmIPO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:24 PM (T0lrq)
But wha tis up with Idaho. They and Mississippi are going to implement exchanges? Is Butch Otter a big RINO?
Posted by: Jack J at December 21, 2012 06:56 PM (bd98e)
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So I don't get this whole thing. How is a state not implementing its own exchange but allowing the feds to operate it for the state a bright spot?
You'd think at least operating it yourself would give you more control.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 03:24 PM (1JAxC)
There gloom the dark, broad seas. My mariners,
Souls that have toiled, and wrought, and thought with me---
That ever with a frolic welcome took
The thunder and the sunshine, and opposed
Free hearts, free foreheads---you and I are old;
Old age hath yet his honor and his toil.
Death closes all; but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with gods.
The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks;
The long day wanes; the slow moon climbs; the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends.
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
the sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down;
It may be that we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are---
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:24 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:26 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Machine at December 21, 2012 07:20 PM (feFL6) "
Sounds more like the Blue Mountain Cocaine what did it...I hear that when it snows in Jamaica, they snort their driveways!
Posted by: model_1066 at December 21, 2012 03:26 PM (bmIPO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:26 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:26 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:27 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:29 PM (XDC0v)
Confiscation won't happen--this is me personally speaking--for ME personally.
The Constitution affirms my right to keep and bear as a defense against a tyrannical gov't.
I'll retain my weapons by whatever means I deem necessary.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2012 03:30 PM (SAMxH)
Never volunteer to take blame for something you suspect may turn into a total clusterfuck.
You must be relatively young. That's a lesson you don't fully appreciate until you hit your 40's.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:30 PM (xpgUt)
NY has gun registration. Registration lists invariably turn into confiscation lists under totalitarian regimes
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 07:23 PM (xpgUt)
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Yep...that makes it real easy for them.
I heard Alan Colmes mention that we needed a 'Federal Registry' the other day.
That's what they did in India, isn't it?
They created a National Registry, and then denied people's applications for registration?
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 03:30 PM (K4wCe)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:31 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Machine [/i] at December 21, 2012 03:31 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:32 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:32 PM (T0lrq)
You must be relatively young. That's a lesson you don't fully appreciate until you hit your 40's.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 07:30 PM (xpgUt)
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I'm closer to 40 than to 30 sadly.
I still don't agree with this mentality. Obamacare is here. When the exchanges cost 3X as much and forecast and everyone hates them, they're not going anywhere. It's not like Obama will say, oh well we tried, but I guess Republicans were right, it's not a good plan after all. They'll just down on stupid and make the damn things worse and worse. In the end the state residents get fucked, not Obama or Democrats.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 03:33 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:34 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:34 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 03:34 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 07:31 PM (XDC0v)
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So you're willing to trade freedom for stuff. Fair enough.I'd rather not. Each to his own.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 03:34 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: John Stark of the NH Starks at December 21, 2012 03:35 PM (0JB89)
Chemical imbalances often cause depression, and it is not your fault or something you did wrong. It is just that sometimes the body gets out of whack and it needs to be put back in balance. Sort of like diabetes or hypoglycemia.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 21, 2012 03:35 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:35 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 03:36 PM (1JAxC)
Inevitable. This is why state govt wants to be as far away as possible. You don't want to be near a shit bomb when it explodes.
Let the demonstrations be in D.C. rather than state capitols.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:36 PM (xpgUt)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:36 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:37 PM (T0lrq)
Knock it off. I have seen people go through this and it has NOTHING to do with Big Pharma. Good grief.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 21, 2012 03:37 PM (GoIUi)
MUMR, reread what I posted about retaining my gear,please.
The Constitution still binds me.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2012 03:38 PM (SAMxH)
This stuff on a state level doesn't freak me out too much. That's why we have 57 states. If you don't like NY's gun laws, move to Idaho. If you live in Idaho and want to marry your gay boyfriend, move to Washington.
Kinda how federalism is supposed to work right?
**This by now way means I agree with what Cuomo wants to do**
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 03:38 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:39 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 03:39 PM (bxiXv)
Rat - the other white meat
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:40 PM (xpgUt)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:40 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 07:36 PM (xpgUt)
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But that's my point. There will be no demonstrations. People will just accept them as they are. And who is going to fight for us in DC? Boehner? LOL. As a resident of State X, if I have to live with Obamacare, I'd like to at least live with the best managed version of Obamacare which would be run at the state level not from DC.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 03:41 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:41 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Machine [/i] at December 21, 2012 03:41 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:41 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 21, 2012 03:42 PM (bxiXv)
Unless DAve and you can show me your credentials as Psychiatrists or MD's, I am going with what I know from the experience with my daughter and other people I have known.
It's real easy to just spout off about stuff like depression, forgetting that there are REAL people with REAL suicidal thoughts who might be made MORE depressed by your unthinking comments.
I don't think it is right to do so.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 21, 2012 03:43 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:44 PM (XDC0v)
Today is the Winter Solstice, right?
So this is like, humpday, for minutes of sunshine.
We should start getting a few more minutes of sun each day now.
Hang in there, my fellow 'rons and 'ettes...we'll get through this dark time.
It seems especially dark and depressing this year, because of all that is going on.
But we *will* get through this.
Posted by: wheatie at December 21, 2012 03:44 PM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 21, 2012 03:44 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:44 PM (T0lrq)
That I wouldn't bet on. Obama's pulling a bait and switch on the FSA. They think they're getting unfettered "free" healthcare.
They'll turn on him the same way the OWS crew did.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:44 PM (xpgUt)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 03:46 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: John Stark of the NH Starks at December 21, 2012 03:46 PM (0JB89)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:46 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:47 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 21, 2012 03:47 PM (jucos)
some clinical depressions may be helped by the Right meds. and learned coping skills
there are many forms of depression , and yes depression can also exhibit symptoms of extreme sadness not anger and some anger.
Posted by: ette at December 21, 2012 03:49 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:49 PM (XDC0v)
Its like an electric power tool. Don't follow the rules and/or treat it casually, and there will be unplanned bleedy situations.
Rapt attention to detail is what replaces fear once there is familiarity.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:50 PM (xpgUt)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:50 PM (XDC0v)
Posted by: John Stark of the NH Starks at December 21, 2012 03:51 PM (0JB89)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 21, 2012 03:51 PM (T0lrq)
Posted by: MidwesternSceptic at December 21, 2012 03:51 PM (cxl8k)
Posted by: ette at December 21, 2012 03:51 PM (nqBYe)
MUMR, I agree. I also look at where this proud country is NOW, and it boggles me. I cannot understand how and why we are at this stage.
I think we can fix it, but doubt that I'll live to see it. But you MUST NOT give up on it.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2012 03:52 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: ette at December 21, 2012 03:52 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:53 PM (XDC0v)
All I suggested was that Jake go to a doctor, rather than trying to get over his feelings by himself. YOU, on the other hand, glibly offer your armchair unprofessional opinions that chemical imbalances (which you are NOT born with and I did not say anyone was born with them) are not the cause.
There are actual medical studies about this, you know. I didn't make up the idea of chemical imbalances. I am not in the employ of Big Pharma or its subsidiaries, either.
When I had to plan a wedding, I hired professionals to do the job. When I need wiring repaired, I call an electrician. When the drains are stopped up beyond my capability to repair, I call a plumber.
And when one feels bad mentally for a long time, it's time to call a professional. Depression can be cause by things like thyroid malfunction, dietary deficiencies, pituitary tumors, brain tumors, flu, anemia, and drug interactions. None of these reasons is made up and the information on this is readily available on the internet. All of these causes need to be checked by a physician so that the proper remedy can be applied.
So no, I am not a doctor; I am just smart enough to knowI might possibly need one, and so does Jake.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 21, 2012 03:53 PM (GoIUi)
I don't know if a separate rider could be bought yourself?
Posted by: ette at December 21, 2012 03:54 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: entropy at December 21, 2012 03:54 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: Machine [/i] at December 21, 2012 03:56 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:57 PM (XDC0v)
I've cut myself accidentally more often that I've shot myself accidentally ;->
I use a lot of single edge razor blades and X-acto's modeling. You get bleedy before you even know it happened.
That, and spinning props. Many of my friends have made trips to the emergency room sticking their hands into spinning props. A 16,000 RPM carbon fiber prop cuts to the bone quicker than a scalpel.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 03:57 PM (xpgUt)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 03:58 PM (XDC0v)
Of course it would be finding the right Doc. one that actually deals with meds and patients for a living.
hunt around ask for best recommends of friends.
If you're embarrassed say it's for a long lost sister etc.
(although you shouldn't be)
look depression that last a long time ignored would be like ignoring a heart issue of BP.
you don't have to feel down. a decade is a very long time.
Posted by: ette at December 21, 2012 03:58 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: ette at December 21, 2012 03:59 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 04:00 PM (XDC0v)
gah
also some dope lawguy stick his hand under a lawnmower with it going!
Posted by: ette at December 21, 2012 04:01 PM (nqBYe)
a trained person would know.
Posted by: ette at December 21, 2012 04:05 PM (nqBYe)
How about post partum depression, which is cause by hormones being out of whack?
I don't know what your definition of depression is, but prolonged periods of sadness, often with suicidal thoughts, is my definition. Symptoms include constant tiredness, loss of appetite, bouts of crying for no apparent reason, loss of motivation, lack of interest in everyday life, lack of grooming and bathing, frequent bouts of temper.
What do you think depression is?
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 21, 2012 04:06 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: DAve at December 21, 2012 04:13 PM (XDC0v)
They'll turn on him the same way the OWS crew did.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 21, 2012 07:44 PM (xpgUt)
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The FSA is on Medicaid. They don't give a shit what Obamacare does or doesn't do. The people that Obamacare is in theory supposed to help are the $50K a year types without health insurance. And these people won't be at demonstrations in DC because they have a job to go to.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2012 04:18 PM (1JAxC)
Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 21, 2012 04:30 PM (T/L2Z)
"I'm telling you irongrampa- you need to get them 80% lowers. I could have made 50% in a week if I had a mind to sell. Nothing to confiscate sir."
Try getting one:
http://tinyurl.com/77jlf2j
http://tinyurl.com/c96cbhx
Posted by: RayJ at December 21, 2012 04:39 PM (pI/IV)
a Bushmaster that would have only pulled in $1200 last month is over $2000 now with a day to go on the auction.
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