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June 28, 2012

Flashback: Obama Vows Mandate Is Not a Tax
Full Opinion Now Out
— Ace

Via Patterico.

Opinion here. Enjoy the pain.

It's Constitutional. Bitches. So says Executive Director of the DNC Patrick Gaspard.

No, he really said that. Screencap here, thanks to @slublog.

Posted by: Ace at 06:47 AM | Comments (114)
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1 How many more minutes until the first Romney commercials come out?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (Qxdfp)

2 It doesn't fucking matter now.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (mFxQX)

3 Welcome to Canada!

Posted by: CanaDave at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (OZfrM)

4 Famous last words motherfucker.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (GQ8sn)

5 OUTRAGE!

Posted by: American Public at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (msPO3)

I know there are a lot of lawyers on this blog but just for the record I really don't trust you guys after this.

Posted by: robtr at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (MtwBb)

7 I sense a landslide coming.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (Qxdfp)

I weep at the country I'm leaving my children.

Posted by: Jai at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (iocin)

9 In the fantasy land of Liberal Demigods, doesn't Obama's mere words cancel out any ruling by the SCOTUS?

Posted by: El Kabong at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (5pjC0)

10 Looks like the equity markets loved the decision - selling-off in a panic.

Oh well, we had a good run for about 200 or so years. Every empire falls.

Posted by: DocJ at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (A5uiv)

11 Self Censoring. This could get ugly.

Posted by: sTevo at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (XAJr3)

12 Did we really expect Obama to tell the truth about anything?

Posted by: Adriane at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (qmMAj)

13 we are all Californians now...

and f**k the SCOAMF... he can kiss my cracker ass.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (8MasJ)

14 Do you actually believe Obama knew what he was talking about back then?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - awake and going strong at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (hLRSq)

15 So they ruled it was a tax because that is the only way it would be constitutional?

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (+usC4)

16 George III.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (MMC8r)

17 Maybe I should move to Canada. They've had more practice at this sort of thing.

Anybody know if Toronto and the other cities in Canada understand you need air-conditioning in the summertime?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (exvgC)

18 Do we have Romney's statement yet? Serious question not being bitchy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (VtjlW)

19 I hope, I'm not hearing any complaints from those who thought it'd be a good idea to stay home on election day.

Posted by: franksalterego at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (9XykO)

20 8 I weep at the country I'm leaving my children.

Ah hell, drive 'em into a lake.
I still miss that car.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (Qxdfp)

21 This dovetail nicely with the fact that as a property owner, I don't truly own my house. Now I don't own my body.

It was a nice country while it lasted.

Posted by: General Woundwort at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (06lNq)

22 One important lesson to draw for this was how easy it was for the White House--the White House, and not the Media--to play us like saps. All the "Obama must have been leaked the result, that's why he's saying this" stuff we read all this week--Obama and Co must be laughing their asses off.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (i0App)

23 I ask again, A TAX ON WHAT?

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (N2yhW)

What's that sound?

That's the sound of businesses looking at real estate in other countries...to relocate to.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (0T8H7)

25 6 I know there are a lot of lawyers on this blog but just for the record I really don't trust you guys after this.

Yeah, I don't trust us either.

Posted by: real joe at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (omojD)

Time to suck it up and get to work.

Posted by: rd at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (9sUlj)

27 @15

I suspect yes, but the decision is 193 pages long. I don't have time to read it (though I think the majority opinion is only 123 pages or so).

Posted by: Penfold at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (1PeEC)

28 7 I sense a landslide coming.

Yup. It's one thing to keep him in office when there is the possibility the Court will curtail his worst impulses. That safety is now gone, so this will concentrate people's minds like a hanging.

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (YXmuI)

29 So if it's a tax bill, then it can be repealed via reconciliation and only 50 votes are needed.

Right?!

Posted by: Uncledave at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (nJ32z)

30 15 So they ruled it was a tax because that is the only way it would be constitutional?

They had to figure something out, didn't they?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (Qxdfp)

31 Fucking hilarious. Sorry guys this is my fault. Nothing I root for wins, no sports team, no political party, nothing.

Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (MpDjI)

32 Norway? Sweden?

If we're gonna be socialists, it'd be nice to be surrounded by blondes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (exvgC)

>>Anybody know if Toronto and the other cities in Canada understand you need air-conditioning in the summertime?

-----

Oh ya, we have air conditioning...need it for those humid eastern summers.

Posted by: CanaDave at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (OZfrM)

34 Slavery was constitutional for a longass time until it wasn't.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (jm/9g)

35 Obamacare: The largest tax increase in American history. That's the slogan now...

Posted by: Charles at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (JXsDO)

36 Upheld as a tax, yet reconciliation is a process only for the allowance of cutting taxes. So the supreme court says it's not unconstitutional, just illegitimate, but eh, none of our business.

Posted by: Douglas at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (YKOnu)

37 The Obama Health Care Tax. I like it.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (caAEA)

38 26 Time to suck it up and get to work.

Damn!
You're right!
I've only had one martini and it's almost 8:00!!1!!!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (Qxdfp)

39 Abolishing slavery required 2 constitutional amendments and a bloody war. But that was when the constitution had meaning and was taken seriously.

Posted by: real joe at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (omojD)

FIFY

Posted by: SCOTUS at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (VLifP)

41 33 >>Anybody know if Toronto and the other cities in Canada understand you need air-conditioning in the summertime?
-----
Oh ya, we have air conditioning...need it for those humid eastern summers.
*
*
Good to hear it. Denver dwellers didn't seem to believe in A/C when I lived in CO -- they thought it was Some Newfangled Fad from Back East, even when temps hit 100. And I don't care how dry the air is, 100 is HOT.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (exvgC)

42 Huh?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (famk3)

43 Maybe I should move to Canada. They've had more practice at this sort of thing.

The sad thing is is that if you are going to do national healthcare, there are good and bad ways to do it. But of course we chose the worst possible way that will probably leaves us with a worse system than the NHS.

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (+usC4)

44 Â“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyrannyÂ” Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (hm8tW)

45 31 Sorry guys this is my fault.

You fucking asshole.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (Qxdfp)

46 We're fucked.

Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (8sCoq)

47 You live in Buffalo, too? 31 Fucking hilarious. Sorry guys this is my fault. Nothing I root for wins, no sports team, no political party, nothing. Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (MpDjI)

Posted by: Pyrocles at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (cv5Iw)

48 I guess the early selling was not shorts, just guys with a tip or two.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (vSiVD)

49 Robert Heinlein is whirling like a dynamo in his grave.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (exvgC)

50 Yay! We can win an election! Yay!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (74T7W)

51 46 We're fucked.

Seriously, you get used to it after a while.

Posted by: The Chicken at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (Qxdfp)

52 One more time - all you "conservatives" who have defended the income tax are to blame. Social engineering is as social engineering does.

Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (knMIa)

53 15 So they ruled it was a tax because that is the only way it would be constitutional?

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (+usC4)

Precisely. Roberts didn't think it wise to strike it down so he found a way to split the baby. Then the majority sewed it back together and presented it to the people as a monster.

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (RD7QR)

54 So, what's the over/under on how long until we have the YDBAGM (You Didn't Buy A GM) Tax, directly distributable to the UAW; which is totally NOT a penalty for buying a Ford or foreign car?

Posted by: Ranba Ral at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (G99e4)

55 Absolutely essential that we elect Teaparty candidates throughout.

Posted by: maddogg at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (OlN4e)

56 I've only had one martini and it's almost 8:00!!1!!!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (Qxdfp)

___

I just had a couple Prozacs with a Grey Goose chaser, 10:58 am. my time. It's all good.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (jm/9g)

57 I am not pleased about this healthcare tax.

Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (z9HTb)

58 how many fkn pages of pronouncmentsdare we legally held to now!!!!?

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (TomZ9)

59 You live in Buffalo, too? --- There are Buffalo morons here? Come gimme a visit in Niagara Falls.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (caAEA)

60 And so the pendulum swings...

... prepare for the pain.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (JdSQO)

Oh ya, we have air conditioning...need it for those humid eastern summers.

-----

'course, gas is $5.00/gallon and smokes are $10.00/pack...you get used to having nothing after a while though...you just give up wanting anything...

Posted by: CanaDave at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (OZfrM)

62 Imagine that, Obama lied.

Posted by: Drider at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (HaJD9)

63 49 Robert Heinlein is whirling like a dynamo in his grave.

What about Huxley?

Posted by: The Chicken at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (Qxdfp)

64 friggin' sock.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (Qxdfp)

65 Abolishing slavery required 2 constitutional amendments and a bloody war. But that was when the constitution had meaning and was taken seriously.>>

One could argue that the civil war was the point at which the feds unconstitutionally usurped power from the states. Or IOW the beginning of the end.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (tf9Ne)

BFD. Practically everything he said was a lie. Nobody apparently gives a crap. He said it wouldn't cost more, too.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (As94z)

67 I weep at the country I'm leaving my children.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (SDkq3)

68 Now we need conservative legal scholars to sit down and think:

1. If it's a tax, who must pay?

2. If it's a tax, can it be repealed through reconciliation?

3. What can the states opt out of and what is the penalty for doing so?

4. If some states opt out, how does that affect the states that don't?

5. How can Congress go about repealing this law?

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (RD7QR)

69 Seething at work right now in Grand Island. 59 You live in Buffalo, too? --- There are Buffalo morons here? Come gimme a visit in Niagara Falls. Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 10:58 AM (caAEA

Posted by: Pyrocles at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (cv5Iw)

70 56 I just had a couple Prozacs with a Grey Goose chaser, 10:58 am. my time. It's all good.

I'm so very proud of you, I could weep.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (Qxdfp)

71 But I don't have any kids so that's a plus.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (SDkq3)

72 You all better just LOVE peas!

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (TomZ9)

73 It doesn't matter. F Bush. Tell Jeb to go away along with the rest of his family.

Posted by: alans4 at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (bBBdT)

@59 "There are Buffalo morons here? Come gimme a visit in Niagara Falls."

Let me chime in that I'm in Lockport, myself. Where's the person calling themselves "Tonawanda" (my home town)?

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (As94z)

75 I weep at the country I'm leaving my dogs.
And they weep because they can't work a can opener when I'm gone.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (Qxdfp)

they fkn KNEW that govt could than force us to buy broccoli!

yeah supreme Justice alright.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (TomZ9)

If it's a tax, what kind of tax is it? A tax on inactivity? Is it a capitation tax? Should it be challenged that way?

I always thought it was a tax but was surprised when it was argued this way in Court it wasn't much publicized (hurts the team, man.) Thing is, I don't know if it is constitutional as a tax, and Roberts opinion might tip us to whether he's begging for it to be challenged as such.

Again, I dunno if that argument was ever presented--if it is a tax, it is it an unconstitutional one?

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (r5w1L)

78 Remember when people were saying The grand bargain in 2011 to raise the debt ceiling guaranteed our electoral victory this year? Thank God winning elections is all that's important, and every policy setback is a victory!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (74T7W)

79 72 You all better just LOVE peas!

Yum, semen covered peas.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (Qxdfp)

80 Flashback: Obama is full of shit

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (1Jaio)

81 One more time - all you "conservatives" who have defended the income tax are to blame. Social engineering is as social engineering does.Posted by: Gerry

Oh, good ole Gerry's here to lecture us rubes again.

Tell us again Unc' Gerry how you're the only conservative in dah who' world! We love that part.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (famk3)

82 More things to think about:

1. Since it's a tax, it should be possible to calculate people's effective tax rate once the tax kicks in. That's a powerful campaign commercial right there.

2. What happens to people who have plans through their employers? In short, how will this law make people's lives more complicated and expensive? That too is a powerful arguing point.

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (RD7QR)

83 I mean, why bother supporting candidates and having a political philosophy, when 5 judges can turn the entire Constitution on its ear? Really- what's the fucking point of even HAVING a Constitution? A president with a rubberstamp Congress can do whatever he wants, and that's that.

It's as if Congress' main job is thinking up new ways for me to go to jail. Everything will be against the law, sooner or later.

I'm just waiting for the authorities to force their way into my house in order to install my telescreen.

Because we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (8sCoq)

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (Qxdfp)

***

Just rummaging around the bottom of my handbag, found a couple quaaludes. I'm happy to share, if you like.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (jm/9g)

85 What's the most painful is the liberal gloat.

Posted by: tonynoboloney at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (6rcwQ)

86 Remember that it took a constitutional amendment to okay a tax on income. This is not an income tax. So what kind of tax is it and why would it be constitutional short of an amendment to the Constitution?

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (r5w1L)

87 Well, wow...my thoughts...

1. First I feel quite bad for my children.
2. Best health care system in the world will belong in a different country.
3. All though we have had it here and there for a while, we can say socialism has "officially" come to this country.
4. The Repubs decided Romney would be there best option. He will do nothing even if he wins.
5. This law will continue to kill small business.
6. With no defense of borders, millions upon millions of people will overwhelm the health system.
7. Boned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (EtuU3)

88 Maybe this will become Barry's tar baby? Think positive, drink heavily.

http://tinyurl.com/3pvdlkx

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (vSiVD)

89 I don't know why you guys are hoping Romney is going to fix it...I thought they based the whole thing on his health care in Taxa-Chussetts.

Posted by: CanaDave at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (OZfrM)

90 Upheld as a tax, yet reconciliation is a process only for the allowance of cutting taxes. So the supreme court says it's not unconstitutional, just illegitimate, but eh, none of our business.

Reconciliation is a Senate rule. Just because the Senate broke their own rule doesn't make the law unconstitutional.

That noted, I recall that a provision put into the law was to require a supermajority in the Senate to repeal it. I suspect as a way to ensure that the same rule wouldn't be broken to repeal it.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (kqqGm)

have hildren ver the age of 18 -under the age of 26.

thanks Supreemes! we won't eat , but we sure will have fun with Taxes!

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (TomZ9)

i'll make sure to believe everyone that

1 Romney will win it.

and 2. He will shut this down.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (TomZ9)

93 re #81: I love when a loser "conservative" whines about being PWNed by reality. Hey, dipwad, why don't you try to get a job with Irrational Review, where worship of the Income Tax Code is not only tolerated, but expected?

Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (knMIa)

94 That stuff I just left in your mouth? 'S actually a tax, man.

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (r5w1L)

95 http://tinyurl.com/cq2gm

The Irony

Posted by: franksalterego at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (9XykO)

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Obama: It's not a tax

Joe Wilson: YOU LIE

Posted by: Minuteman at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (VzYy6)

think these fkrs actually read the bill?

is this another case of pass it for US to see what's in it

where those empty pages ever filled in?

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (TomZ9)

were*

, they really do need a fuckitol pill.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (TomZ9)

99 Let's not be half assed about this. Throw in a VAT and retirement at age 60 and then we can experience the glories of Europe with 20% unemployment and total economic stagnation

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 07:15 AM (1Jaio)

100 And the shade of George Orwell is trying heroically not to laugh and say, "I TOLD YOU SO!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 28, 2012 07:16 AM (exvgC)

101 re #81: I love when a loser "conservative" whines about being PWNed by reality. Hey, dipwad, why don't you try to get a job with Irrational Review, where worship of the Income Tax Code is not only tolerated, but expected?Posted by: Gerry

Tell us again how DR PAUL IS THE ONLY MAN AMONG CHILDREN AND WE MUST WORSHIP HIM! That part is so much fun.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (famk3)

102 Minuteman, Joe Wilson's "You Lie" was not in response to the claim that Obamacare was not a tax. It would be great if it was, though. He''d be like a prophet.

Posted by: Pastorius at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (r2evj)

103 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (Xb3hu)

104

Independents hated the mandate before and now ...

If Obama gets 45% I'd be shocked ... he's toast ...

The Senate will now be much easier to take and the House will easyily stay in the GOP column ...

Jan 20th 2013 ... a 4 line reconciliation bill repealing the whole thing, signed that afternoon ...

Posted by: JeffC at June 28, 2012 07:22 AM (A3tpD)

105 I know, but I think that when someone says "You lie" it covers everything as opposed to saying "You're lying", which is specific to what is said at that time. If he said "You're a lier" it would have had the same ambiguity that would allow application against the lier at that moment or for all time.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (VzYy6)

106 Taiwanese animation already out: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7ettggf

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (XYqoq)

107 I mean, why bother supporting candidates and having a political philosophy, when 5 judges can turn the entire Constitution on its ear? Really- what's the fucking point of even HAVING a Constitution? A president with a rubberstamp Congress can do whatever he wants, and that's that.

It's as if Congress' main job is thinking up new ways for me to go to jail. Everything will be against the law, sooner or later.

I'm just waiting for the authorities to force their way into my house in order to install my telescreen.

Because we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (8sCoq)

You just wake up from a 40 year nap?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (rzSn3)

108 Abolishing slavery required 2 constitutional amendments and a bloody war. But that was when the constitution had meaning and was taken seriously.

Posted by: real joe at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (omojD)

Apparently you have not heard of the Dred Scott decision.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:30 AM (rzSn3)

109 I don't feel sorry for my children, they are all bums, let them suck the life's blood from you from now on. /sarc

Posted by: Drider at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (HaJD9)

110 It's a "tax." Could be the libs won the battle but lost the war. Outmaneuvered?

Posted by: Cricket at June 28, 2012 07:44 AM (DrC22)

111 74- Another Buffalo Moron here (actually Lancaster, but close enough for gov't work).

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (izA2D)

112 It's Constitutional. Bitches. So says Executive Director of the DNC Patrick Gaspard. So was Dred Scott. Of course, you Dems like that one, too.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at June 28, 2012 08:49 AM (1hM1d)

113

Hell, Lancaster, England, would be "close enough for govt work", and now the govt will control your health.

Yeah, we in WNY have been living Obama's dream for a long time - that's why most non-parasitic people leave.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 08:50 AM (As94z)

114

Color me stupid, but how does the mandate survive as a tax? The question still remains: how do you justify taxing someone based on not buying a product?

Something doesn't smell right about Roberts' "justification." Any chance this whole matter could be brought back up to the Supreme's after someone has been taxed? Maybe that was Roberts attempting a punt on the issue?

Posted by: Will Mc at June 28, 2012 09:11 AM (QnBYG)

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