July 29, 2012

Conclusive Proof Of Manmade Global Warming
— andy

Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past ~ George Orwell

We "skeptics" have suspected for a long time that most Global Warming™ is indeed manmade.

No, not in the sense that there's an actual increase in the Earth's temperature from human production of so-called greenhouse gases that's discernible from otherwise natural temperature variations. But in the sense that temperature and other data is tortured by AGW-believing "scientists" until it tells them what they want to hear.

This is how Michael Mann erased the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age, and it's how every year becomes one of the hottest years ever measured.

Today Anthony Watts and coauthors released a paper quantifying the impact of station quality issues and NOAA data adjustments on the USHCN temperature records that are one of the most important books in the warmists' bible:

A reanalysis of U.S. surface station temperatures has been performed using the recently WMO-approved Siting Classification System devised by METEO-FranceÂ’s Michel Leroy. The new siting classification more accurately characterizes the quality of the location in terms of monitoring long-term spatially representative surface temperature trends. The new analysis demonstrates that reported 1979-2008 U.S. temperature trends are spuriously doubled, with 92% of that over-estimation resulting from erroneous NOAA adjustments of well-sited stations upward. (emphasis added)

Cutting to the chase (from the PowerPoint slides accompanying the release):

Instead of adjusting the poorly sited station trends downward to the levels of the well located stations, the well sited station trends are adjusted upward to match the poor station trends. The “official” trend data is higher even than that of the raw data for non-compliant stations.

No result is too ridiculous as long as it helps The Cause, I guess.

Watts included a handy graph of the impact that can be used to beat warmists over the head (metaphorically of course).

Read the whole thing. Also, be sure to heed James Delingpole's advice and resist the urge to gloat.

Posted by: andy at 02:10 PM | Comments (252)
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1 Chance of this getting ANY mainstream press??  Move along..nothing to see here. 

Posted by: JMKN1 at July 29, 2012 02:17 PM (JMKN1)

2 Rubbish!

Posted by: Michael Mann at July 29, 2012 02:17 PM (szPD/)

3 Also, be sure to heed James Delingpole's advice and resist the urge to gloat.


Fuck that.


Suck it, warming fetishists.

Posted by: fluffy at July 29, 2012 02:17 PM (z9HTb)

4 I won't be happy until I see indictments for this fraud.

Posted by: Redd at July 29, 2012 02:18 PM (Lia1Q)

5 I live in a city, but if I go for an evening bike ride in a little park about 1/2 mile from my home, I regularly notice that it is *substantially* cooler in that park.  I say this just to add a tiny bit of anecdotal support that - no DOUBT station siting is hugely important, and if you aren't making proper corrections for changes to the station environment over time the data you produce is going to be quite misleading.  Especially if you're trying to measure tiny changes.

Posted by: longerthoughts at July 29, 2012 02:18 PM (CVVLU)

6 Get me a hot dog!

Posted by: Michael Moore at July 29, 2012 02:18 PM (GEICT)

7 I checked WUWT a little while ago and this struck me as dog bites man.


"Warmists are deceitful"


No shit? What's next, mean people suck?

Posted by: fluffy at July 29, 2012 02:20 PM (z9HTb)

8 Oh, you wanted the truth? Well, our budget just isn't adequate for that.

Posted by: NOAA at July 29, 2012 02:20 PM (IoNBC)

9 *SMUG*

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 02:20 PM (imVgX)

10 Gloat. Sorry, couldn't resist the urge.

Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:20 PM (sdi6R)

11

Well, back when I lived in L.A., the Times used to report the temps from LAX as the official temp. Funny how it could be 75° next to the ocean, when it was 92° eight miles inland where I lived.

 

So of course those measuremts are skewed. They may be correct for the area they are in, but have nothing to do with long term temps as a whole.

Posted by: HH at July 29, 2012 02:20 PM (v+ExF)

12 "No, not in the sense that there's an actual increase in the Earth's temperature from human production of so-called greenhouse gases that's discernible from otherwise natural temperature variations.." You're wrong, and you should issue a correction, Andy. Watts et al. found that the surface-warming signal was strong even in the best-sited stations. What his paper claims is that various errors have caused the rate of warming to have been overestimated by a factor of two. Significant -- hell, huge -- but not in line with no discernible effect. Watts et al. have said on numerous occasions that they accept the physics that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. What they believe is that the climate system feedbacks provide overall dampening effects to limit the warming it causes, rather than amplifying CO2-warming effects as the strongly-catastrophic AGW models assume.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:21 PM (AVesg)

13 OK, so we lie sometimes. But we count polar bears and shit, so there's that.

Posted by: NOAA at July 29, 2012 02:21 PM (IoNBC)

14 This news is great, but will right-thinking lawmakers *do* anything about it?

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 02:22 PM (imVgX)

15 What his paper claims is that various errors have caused the rate of warming to have been overestimated by a factor of two. So, you didn't actually read the paper either. Get back to us when you do.

Posted by: Stark Dickflüssig at July 29, 2012 02:23 PM (NpR/e)

16 I hereby claim all rights to the lucrative carbon-debit market.  For every carbon debit you buy, I will plant a tree, then burn it. 


STOP AGC NOW!11!!eleventy!

Posted by: wytshus at July 29, 2012 02:24 PM (4tcuE)

17 18 'Cause they don't play hockey in China?

Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:24 PM (sdi6R)

18 We're joining the Dept of Agriculture in promoting "Meatless Mondays" to reduce carbon emissions. We're all about doubling down on stupid. see.

Posted by: NOAA at July 29, 2012 02:24 PM (IoNBC)

19

>>Resist the Urge to Goat

That's a crack on my religion, isn't it? 

You fucking Islamophobes never give u, do you?

Posted by: Keith Ellison at July 29, 2012 02:24 PM (pz410)

20 "So, you didn't actually read the paper either." Yeah I read the fucking paper. And nowhere did it claim there was no AGW. Maybe there isn't, but the paper didn't make the complain. All the study authors have said they accept that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:26 PM (AVesg)

21 I also wonder what Watts and Collegaues are trying to do with the paper? I did not read everything, but I'm assuming it's been accepted somewhere for publication, since there can obviously be no blind reviews at this point. Or maybe they're just not bothering with academic journal publication?

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 02:26 PM (imVgX)

22 No Mr. Economy.  I expect you to die.

Posted by: Gorefinger at July 29, 2012 02:26 PM (zMouK)

23 Typo correction: "Maybe there isn't, but the paper didn't make the point"

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:26 PM (AVesg)

24 Please, please no insinuations of criminal incompetence or ulterior motives in our climate work. We're sensitive, artistic people. This kind of negative talk could just ruin workplace morale.

Posted by: NOAA at July 29, 2012 02:27 PM (IoNBC)

25 I told you in the other thread, you knuckledragging non-believers. Chooch me on those credits and there will be poodle hell to pay. Hey, I had a $45,756.45 electric bill last month. Pay up.

Posted by: aL gOrE at July 29, 2012 02:28 PM (PntdI)

26 Congressman Ellison, most American's believe that goat fucking is wrong, and we will continue expressing our opinions.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at July 29, 2012 06:26 PM (hvwLi)

Criticizing goat fucking is inconsistent with Chicago values.  You sir, are banned from selling chicken sandwiches in Illinois.

Posted by: Gorefinger at July 29, 2012 02:28 PM (zMouK)

27 Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 06:26 PM (imVgX) I think I read that this is a "pre-release." I assume peer review and publication will come later.

Posted by: Scobface at July 29, 2012 02:28 PM (IoNBC)

28 "I also wonder what Watts and Collegaues are trying to do with the paper? I did not read everything, but I'm assuming it's been accepted somewhere for publication, since there can obviously be no blind reviews at this point. Or maybe they're just not bothering with academic journal publication?" They're trying to get it published, and probably will. They're putting the results out early, possibly to influence IPCC5, but also to allow open discussion of it and any errors (there have been some typos, and one graph appears to have been inadvertently duplicated) to be corrected. Plus they probably want it out there early in the week.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:28 PM (AVesg)

29 Suddenly, we are quite amused.

Posted by: Zombie Queen Victoria at July 29, 2012 02:28 PM (Qxdfp)

30

I will need to actually read what Watts et al actually wrote, but this sounds like what he and other have been saying for several yeats now.

And I intend to gloat. Lots

Posted by: mallfly at July 29, 2012 02:29 PM (NI3M5)

31 36
are yeats like teats only longer?

Posted by: Zombie Queen Victoria at July 29, 2012 02:30 PM (Qxdfp)

32 Yeah I read the fucking paper. And nowhere did it claim there was no AGW. Maybe there isn't, but the paper didn't make the complain. All the study authors have said they accept that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 06:26 PM (AVesg) So, on what page does the paper state that "various errors have caused the rate of warming to have been overestimated by a factor of two"? Because that is what you have claimed that the paper that you purportedly read states.

Posted by: Stark Dickflüssig at July 29, 2012 02:32 PM (NpR/e)

33 "but this sounds like what he and other have been saying for several yeats now." Exactly. This is what he and others behind the Surface Stations project have been saying -- and showing -- for years. What they lacked, though, was a robust numerical analysis of the problem for publication. Now they have that, using a methodology recently adopted by the International Standards Organization and the World Meteorological Organization. Point being they're using best practices, which makes the paper harder to dismiss.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:32 PM (AVesg)

34 are yeats like teats only longer?

Posted by: Zombie Queen Victoria at July 29, 2012 06:30 PM (Qxdfp)


Typo.  I think he meant "bleats."

Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 02:32 PM (zMouK)

35 They're trying to get it published, and probably will. They're putting the results out early, possibly to influence IPCC5, but also to allow open discussion of it and any errors (there have been some typos, and one graph appears to have been inadvertently duplicated) to be corrected. Plus they probably want it out there early in the week. Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 06:28 PM (AVesg) --Makes sense put that way, but in my work I'm so keen to keep work from getting "out there" since most journals are blind-reviewed so it struck me as odd unless it had already been accepted for publication.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 02:32 PM (imVgX)

36 Any global warming thread brings back bad memories of that crazy fat bastard johnson.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 29, 2012 02:32 PM (j1gX1)

37 >> So, on what page does the paper state that "various errors have caused the rate of warming to have been overestimated by a factor of two"? That's my summary, dumbass.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:33 PM (AVesg)

38 Time for a song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAlMomLvu_4

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 02:33 PM (QTHTd)

39 My dad was one of the weather data collectors, but he quit after they kept replacing the readings he gave them with the "correct" readings. Seemed weird to him that they would argue with him about what his readings were.

Posted by: Mindy at July 29, 2012 02:34 PM (BNeLl)

40 From the comments at the link: Several comments. First, although the US is only 2% of the earth’s surface, it has arguably the most dense network of stations, and in part because of this, figures regarding the US trends are quoted endlessly. Second, the same errors almost undoubtedly exist in the rest of the world. It would be foolish to assume they do not. Since this analysis establishes that the canonical estimate of the US trends is almost double the reality, the same is likely true of the rest of the world. Third, it does not “confirm” the work by Mueller, it directly contradicts and refutes Mueller’s claims. Read the paper. Fourth, the trends reported are for 1979-2008. The IPCC “expectation of ~0.2C/decade” has not been seen in the last decade of that period … where did it go? No one knows, but post about 1995 the planet definitely has not been warming as the IPCC expected. All the best, w.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 02:34 PM (imVgX)

41 27 No Mr. Economy. I expect you to die. Posted by: Gorefinger at July 29, 2012 06:26 PM (zMouK) LMMFAO. You owe me a keyboard and a monitor. Oh, fuck it. I'll just get another beer.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at July 29, 2012 02:34 PM (PntdI)

42 Any global warming thread brings back bad memories of that crazy fat bastard johnson.

Banhammer!  And I bid you, adieu.

Posted by: cahrles jhonson at July 29, 2012 02:35 PM (zMouK)

43 >> Makes sense put that way, but in my work I'm so keen to keep work from getting "out there" since most journals are blind-reviewed so it struck me as odd unless it had already been accepted for publication. Apparently several scientists have done this. Anthony Watts quoted Richard Muller who wrote, "in the tradition that I grew up in (under Nobel Laureate Luis Alvarez) we always widely distributed “preprints” of papers prior to their publication or even submission". Ironically, Dr. Muller's work is being contradicted and refuted here, but then, at least both men put their methodology out there in plain sight.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:37 PM (AVesg)

44 For Pete's sake - go to http://wattsupwiththat.com/ and scroll down to the links of pdf files of the paper & graphs.

Posted by: Grandma Mimi at July 29, 2012 02:38 PM (ihmo+)

45 Hey, numbers are hard.

Posted by: NOAA at July 29, 2012 02:39 PM (IoNBC)

46 42 Any global warming thread brings back bad memories of that crazy fat bastard johnson. Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 29, 2012 06:32 PM (j1gX1) You talkin' to me? Yeah,.....I'm THAT big....... Hey, baby what's your sign?

Posted by: Ric Flair's Ginormous Johnson at July 29, 2012 02:39 PM (PntdI)

47 I'm saving up my gloat - I want to have so much effing gloat that it'll require the building of a trans-global pipeline just to feed my gazillions of gallons of gloat to my Gloat Fest currently scheduled for November 6, 2012. If I have any gloat leftover, I'll be selling Gore Gloat Credits at a deeply discounted rate.

Posted by: natasha at July 29, 2012 02:40 PM (pyYXJ)

48 But in the sense that temperature and other data is tortured by AGW-believing "scientists" until it tells them what they want to hear.

We're domesticating the temperature readings, those wild buggers.  What do you have against domestication of the wild?  Are you against progress?  Do you hate civilization?

Now, stone-age Man ... he was civilized.

Posted by: AGW-believing "scientist" - and I believe it's Catastrophic, too! at July 29, 2012 02:40 PM (X3lox)

49  paper graphs.

Where's my ampersand?   - paper AND graphs.

Posted by: Grandma Mimi at July 29, 2012 02:41 PM (ihmo+)

50 Richard Muller who wrote, "in the tradition that I grew up in (under Nobel Laureate Luis Alvarez) we always widely distributed “preprints” of papers prior to their publication or even submission".

I do this too. But then - selfpublished, and stuff. I call it Ben Domenech Insurance.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 02:42 PM (QTHTd)

51 I didn't mean any slight, logprof, or that you don't put your methodology out there in plain sight. There's nothing wrong with doing it at publication itself. Just saying others have done it differently. One thing that occurs to me is that global climate/economic policy has real-world impacts on multitudes of people every day. So perhaps the authors feel a moral obligation to get the info out their for consideration at the earliest practical opportunity. Just speculation on my part.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:42 PM (AVesg)

52 goes too far. expect to read that Watts once got a free tank of gas at an Exxon station.

Posted by: mallfly at July 29, 2012 02:42 PM (NI3M5)

53 >>> I do this too. But then - selfpublished, and stuff. I call it Ben Domenech Insurance. HA HA. Ouch.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:43 PM (AVesg)

54 55--The blog now eats ampersands...but don't worry, it's a tax, not a penalty.

Posted by: Palookaville at July 29, 2012 02:43 PM (szPD/)

55 As I tell people: any 'scientist' that makes his data as available as Pres Obama does his college transcripts or Sen John Kerry his military records, you might want to be skeptical of his claims. That's not a scientist, that's a journalist.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at July 29, 2012 02:43 PM (rD4Vf)

56 They're putting the results out early, possibly to influence IPCC5, but also to allow open discussion of it and any errors (there have been some typos, and one graph appears to have been inadvertently duplicated) to be corrected.

Romney's fingerprints are all over it.  He duplicated a day in Israel.

Posted by: BuzzFeed at July 29, 2012 02:43 PM (X3lox)

57

"Watts included a handy graph of the impact that can be used to beat warmists over the head (metaphorically of course)."

 Or print it out, paste it to a baseball bat and beat them over the head literally. Works for me.

Posted by: Madamemayhem at July 29, 2012 02:45 PM (iRgZG)

58 I live in a city, but if I go for an evening bike ride in a little park about 1/2 mile from my home, I regularly notice that it is *substantially* cooler in that park. For an even more graphic demonstration, notice what happens if you're in a small aircraft over a city in summer. Everything goes fine until you fly over a green spot, then you drop like a rock, because you don't have the rising column of hot air to fly through.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2012 02:45 PM (Rhie+)

59 55--The blog now eats ampersands...but don't worry, it's a tax, not a penalty. Posted by: Palookaville at July 29, 2012 06:43 PM (szPD/) &&&&&, bitches!!! I got a waiver from HHS ... but I just spent it all gloating.

Posted by: BuzzFeed at July 29, 2012 02:45 PM (X3lox)

60 Anyone remember the pics of temperature stations situated in places near other things that generate heat?.....



http://tinyurl.com/cqs78q6

Posted by: Tami at July 29, 2012 02:46 PM (X6akg)

61 65--LOL!

Posted by: Palookaville at July 29, 2012 02:46 PM (szPD/)

62 Ok, yeah...um...I put a lot of those sensors under the Time/Temperature thingy at the banks and all, right on top of the asphalt. I mean hey, it was the 80's, man. Was that wrong?

Posted by: IPCC Minimum Wage Staffer at July 29, 2012 02:47 PM (PntdI)

63 How do you break 2000 high record temperatures.
Build a brick wall, parking lot and airport by the thermometers

Posted by: TJexcite at July 29, 2012 02:47 PM (3qeX5)

64 Numbers are racist. 

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 29, 2012 02:48 PM (3ZjAP)

65 Posted by: Palookaville at July 29, 2012 06:46 PM (szPD/)

The best intentions of mice and Pixy ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2012 02:48 PM (X3lox)

66 Show the details of my computer models? Please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.

Posted by: Michael Mann at July 29, 2012 02:49 PM (Rhie+)

67 I see nothing.

Posted by: NY Times Editor, Sgt Schlutz at July 29, 2012 02:49 PM (3ZjAP)

68 For an even more graphic demonstration, notice what happens if you're in a small aircraft over a city in summer. Everything goes fine until you fly over a green spot, then you drop like a rock, because you don't have the rising column of hot air to fly through. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2012 06:45 PM (Rhie+) Convection turbulence is a bitch.

Posted by: Chuck Yeager's P-51 at July 29, 2012 02:50 PM (PntdI)

69 70 Numbers are racist. As a matter of policy, we do not consider numbers to be racist. They are, however, incredibly stubborn.

Posted by: NOAA at July 29, 2012 02:50 PM (IoNBC)

70 70 Numbers are racist.

Just numbers over 20.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2012 02:50 PM (X3lox)

71 >>> Anyone remember the pics of temperature stations situated in places near other things that generate heat?..... Precisely, Tami. This study quantifies all that painstakingly-gathered data (gathered by an army of volunteers), and shows that -- yes indeed! -- the badly-planned or maintained sites shower greater temperature increases. But it's more than just that. Then NOAA did something very strange and then adjusted the badly-sited (i.e., too warm) sites upwards AND THEN, using that adjusted data, adjusted the well-sited sites temperature data up ALSO. I'm simplifying Watts et al.'s paper, because they looked at rural vs. urban, urban vs. suburban, airport vs. non-airport, etc. But in essence, NOAA adusted one part of their data set upwards, then using that, adjusted another part of their data set upwards. And thus they managed to overestimate the warming (as demonstrated by the raw data at the best-sited sites) by a factor of two.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 02:51 PM (AVesg)

72 There's an ideal spot for a weather monitoring station near my dryer vent. Can I get a million or two in federal funding?

Posted by: ErikW at July 29, 2012 02:52 PM (y8RZG)

73 @76

No we have found numbers become racist after 15




http://tinyurl.com/cgylngo

Posted by: Wal Mart Sign Director at July 29, 2012 02:53 PM (3ZjAP)

74 600° Lakes in Wisconsin hardest hit.

Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 02:53 PM (GULKT)

75 So what if it was  a twentieth of a degree higher in Butte Montana this April than it was in April 1987? What temperature is Butte Montana SUPPOSED to be?  Does anyone know?

Posted by: Guy Who Never Understood Thermometers at July 29, 2012 02:53 PM (P6QsQ)

76

anyone besides me remember when, five or six years ago, it was noticed that the polar ice caps on Mars were shrinking? And we were told that that might be because of the Sun but warming on Earth is caused by Man?

Never expect a con artist to quit his game.

Posted by: mallfly at July 29, 2012 02:54 PM (NI3M5)

77 No we have found numbers become racist after 15

http://tinyurl.com/cgylngo

Posted by: Wal Mart Sign Director at July 29, 2012 06:53 PM (3ZjAP)


ROFLMAO!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2012 02:54 PM (X3lox)

78 There's an ideal spot for a weather monitoring station near my dryer vent. Can I get a million or two in federal funding? Posted by: ErikW at July 29, 2012 06:52 PM (y8RZG) I can tell you're not a leftist, two reasons. You're asking, not demanding. And you're asking for such a small amount of $.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2012 02:54 PM (Rhie+)

79 81 So what if it was a twentieth of a degree higher in Butte Montana this April than it was in April 1987? What temperature is Butte Montana SUPPOSED to be? Does anyone know?

Posted by: Guy Who Never Understood Thermometers at July 29, 2012 06:53 PM (P6QsQ)

 

I think that the historical average is whatever temperature it is under a 500 foot thick sheet of ice.

Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 02:55 PM (GULKT)

80   It used to be only shamans and medicine men claimed they could influence the weather. 


Posted by: mama winger at July 29, 2012 02:57 PM (P6QsQ)

81 A PH.D student (well-known to me), when questioned as to why his data was not repeatable said (with a more or less straight face): "That's because your data has not been normalized!". 

The response was, "How should it be normalized?"


His classic answer was "With respect to the desired result, of course!"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 02:58 PM (Cnqmv)

82 How does this help my childern?

Posted by: Mochelle at July 29, 2012 02:58 PM (3ZjAP)

83 86 It used to be only shamans and medicine men claimed they could influence the weather.


Posted by: mama winger at July 29, 2012 06:57 PM (P6QsQ)

 

The current climate "scientists" can only hope to one day reach the standards of quality of those guys.

Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 02:59 PM (GULKT)

84 It used to be only shamans and medicine men claimed they could influence the weather. Posted by: mama winger at July 29, 2012 06:57 PM (P6QsQ) The current climate "scientists" can only hope to one day reach the standards of quality of those guys. Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 06:59 PM (GULKT) Watch it there, pal.

Posted by: American Witch Doctor Association at July 29, 2012 03:01 PM (Rhie+)

85 OK, so the jig is up. 


I am about through with my spots so you idiots can relax till I send down that radiation burst.

he he.

Posted by: The Sun at July 29, 2012 03:01 PM (3ZjAP)

86 Hrothgar, that's why I think this guy (http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html) should have stayed in the sciences.

That was some brutal (and hilarious) honesty there. Get that man an editorship at Nature, stat.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 03:01 PM (QTHTd)

87 The science is settled, whatever it takes to establish world domination over the lives of all prosperous people.  Interesting it is, that the impoverished are NOT on the AGW radar.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 03:02 PM (Cnqmv)

88 Haliburton!

Rush Limbaugh!!!

CHIC-FIL-A!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: nickless at July 29, 2012 03:02 PM (MMC8r)

89 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 03:03 PM (6o4Fb)

90 86 It used to be only shamans and medicine men claimed they could influence the weather.


My family history says I a shaman or a schmuck?


Can't remember which one it is.

Posted by: Injuin Elizabeth at July 29, 2012 03:04 PM (3ZjAP)

91 Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 07:01 PM (QTHTd)

I'd offer him a research grant but it might affect his approach to scientific rigor!  I am asking for his resume!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 03:04 PM (Cnqmv)

92 Ill Tempered, guess I'll have to schlep it as usual then.

Posted by: ErikW at July 29, 2012 03:04 PM (y8RZG)

93 The jig is not quite up, because it was *never* about the science, it was always about power and control. The warmists are *already* shifting to "sustainability" and "fairness" as their excuses, even though they officially yield no ground to reality. This study is not really as exciting as we all though from the announcement, but it is significant, in the "documenting the fraud" category. The Academy of Academia will fight it tooth and nail, of course, thus the pre-release.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 29, 2012 03:05 PM (bxiXv)

94
It used to be only shamans and medicine men claimed they could influence the weather.

Every time I wash my truck, it rains.

Posted by: Irving LittleFeather, Shaman and MA candidate for Senate at July 29, 2012 03:06 PM (MMC8r)

95 87 A PH.D student (well-known to me), when questioned as to why his data was not repeatable said (with a more or less straight face): "That's because your data has not been normalized!". The response was, "How should it be normalized?" His classic answer was "With respect to the desired result, of course!"! Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 06:58 PM (Cnqmv) Can I have his contact info?

Posted by: Baraka 0buttsqueeze at July 29, 2012 03:06 PM (imVgX)

96 OT Well we know how stupid this guy is.Why does anyone take him seriously again?? CBS Chicago: The Rev. Jesse Jackson led a group of nearly 100 people who picketed outside of a River North movie theater on Saturday, calling for a ban on the sale and possession of assault weapons. Rev. Jackson called assault weapons instruments of domestic terrorism. “It must give al Qaeda, the Taliban and terrorists comfort to know that they can use the Second Amendment and use it to create an arsenal that can kill many innocent people,” he said in the march outside of the AMC River East Theaters, at 322 W. Illinois St.

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 03:06 PM (6o4Fb)

97 Climate con man Ricard Muller must have caught wind of WUWT story. NYT published opinion piece today where he now says..DUN...DUN...DUN... that man is 100% the cause of global warming.

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 29, 2012 03:07 PM (Yhu4q)

98 Every time I wash my truck, it rains.

Posted by: Irving LittleFeather, Shaman and MA candidate for Senate at July 29, 2012 07:06 PM (MMC8r)


Shit, every time I walk by Bo, I get hungry.

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at July 29, 2012 03:07 PM (3ZjAP)

99 Uh, yeah.  Nice study you've got there.  We're still closing down 125 coal-fired power stations by the end of the year.  You know, just to be on the safe side.

Posted by: Lisa Jackson, Dominatrix at July 29, 2012 03:07 PM (tQHzJ)

100 But the science is settled!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at July 29, 2012 03:07 PM (ExqqC)

101 Actually, going back to Kovar's assignment - I just read this tafsir on it:
http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/09/18/ electron-band-structure-in-germanium-my-ass/

I suspect that a lot of hs students and undergrads in the sciences go through that particular Kobayashi Maru. They tell the kids to go run these experiments and give them shit equipment to do it - and if they don't do it right, then they get an F and are forced to become sociology majors.

The guys who did get it right in his class, just kept the data that was "good" and threw out the rest.

Scientific ethics, bitchez!

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 03:08 PM (QTHTd)

102 The sky is falling, wingnuts.

Posted by: Thomas Robert Malthus at July 29, 2012 03:08 PM (MMC8r)

103 82 anyone besides me remember when, five or six years ago, it was noticed that the polar ice caps on Mars were shrinking? And we were told that that might be because of the Sun but warming on Earth is caused by Man? Never expect a con artist to quit his game. Posted by: mallfly at July 29, 2012 06:54 PM (NI3M5) Mars is racist.

Posted by: DNC at July 29, 2012 03:09 PM (PntdI)

104 “It must give al Qaeda, the Taliban and terrorists comfort to know that they can use the Second Amendment and use it to create an arsenal that can kill many innocent people,” he said in the march outside of the AMC River East Theaters, at 322 W. Illinois St.

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 07:06 PM (6o4Fb)

 

Because if you're goal is to commit mass murder you're definitely going to worry about obtaining the means through legitimate channels.  And if you can't then you're not going to do it.

Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GULKT)

105 Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 07:06 PM (6o4Fb) Just for laughs, someone should ask Jesse Sr. if being treated for depression at a Mayo Clinic is grounds for denial of one's Constitutional Rights.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2012 03:10 PM (Rhie+)

106 The warmists are *already* shifting to "sustainability" and "fairness" as their excuses, even though they officially yield no ground to reality.

They beat you to it. This is the bottom line: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/18/the-bottom-line/

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 03:11 PM (QTHTd)

107 Can I have his contact info?

Posted by: Baraka 0buttsqueeze at July 29, 2012 07:06 PM (imVgX)


Sorry, he is already a senior scientist at a prestigious liberal think tank, and would lose money on the GS pay scale!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 03:12 PM (Cnqmv)

108

O/T - Somebody wake CAC!

 

 

Romney and Zero close to a tie in PA.

 

 

http://bit.ly/Q2exa6

Posted by: RushBabe at July 29, 2012 03:12 PM (tQHzJ)

109 Posted by: Baraka 0buttsqueeze at July 29, 2012 07:06 PM (imVgX)

He just tweeted me he is open for a cabinet position!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 03:13 PM (Cnqmv)

110 O/T - Somebody wake CAC! Yeah, someone wave that plaid flag high.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2012 03:14 PM (Rhie+)

111 @ Merovign- Yep. They count on short memories. For the average person, life is a short list of eggs and milk and take out from Wendy's or the local chinese place. Progressives are constantly shifting the narrative and renaming it. Evil fucking bastards. Such a pathetic existence.

Posted by: ErikW at July 29, 2012 03:15 PM (y8RZG)

112 DNC: Mars is racist.

The moon was racist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Abernathy#Civil_rights_work

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 03:16 PM (QTHTd)

113 The jig is not quite up, because it was *never* about the science, it was always about power and control.Posted by: Merovign

Whut he said.

That, there. Close the blog. We're done.
(Like anyone could tell the difference...)

Posted by: weft plover [/i] [/b] at July 29, 2012 03:17 PM (5FvTK)

114 112 The warmists are *already* shifting to "sustainability" and "fairness" as their excuses, even though they officially yield no ground to reality. They beat you to it. This is the bottom line: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/18/the-bottom-line/ Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 07:11 PM (QTHTd) --Most pathetic are their appeals to patriotism and getting us off "Arab oil." while it's cute to see Demotards feigning concern for country, 1) if they're for banning domestic exploration, they're using circular logic, and 2) most oil imports are from Canada and Mexico anyway, hardly threats to national security.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:17 PM (imVgX)

115 OT but Obama is a manly man?? Michael Tomasky, former editor of Guardian America and a host of far-left publications, was tasked by Ms. Brown with the juicy job of de-gonading Mitt Romney. Tomasky gleefully recounts the Mitt-gaffes from London and then writes: The episode highlights what’s really wrong with Romney. He’s kind of lame, and he’s really … annoying. He keeps saying these … things, these incredibly off-key things. Then he apologizes immediately—with all the sincerity of a hostage. Or maybe he doesn’t: sometimes he whines about the subsequent attacks on him. But the one thing he never does? Man up, double down, take his lumps. In 1987, this magazine created a famous hubbub by labeling George H.W. Bush a “wimp” on its cover. “The Wimp Factor.” Huge stir. And not entirely fair—the guy had been an aviator in the war, the big war, the good war, and he was even shot down out over the Pacific, cockpit drenched in smoke and fumes, at an age (20) when in most states he couldn’t even legally drink a beer. In hindsight, Poppy looks like Dirty Harry Callahan compared with Romney, who spent his war (Vietnam) in—ready?—Paris. Where he learned … French. Up to his eyeballs in deferments. Where Reagan saddled up a horse with the masculine name of El Alamein, Mitt saddles up something called Rafalca—except that he doesn’t even really do that, his wife does (dressage). And speaking of Ann—did you notice that she was the one driving the Jet Ski on their recent vacation, while Mitt rode on the back, hanging on, as Paul Begala put it to me last week, “like a helpless papoose”?

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 03:17 PM (6o4Fb)

116 Well it should be noted that this paper has not yet been peer reviewed.  So we should withhold our joy until the paper actually gets published.  You can be sure the paper will be scrutinized to the very last semicolon.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:18 PM (VE1KN)

117 Mars: The Other Red Planet

Posted by: USS Diversity at July 29, 2012 03:18 PM (2d71t)

118 He just tweeted me he is open for a cabinet position! Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 07:13 PM (Cnqmv) The work is light. Lots of foot-on-the-desk time.

Posted by: Baraka Obuttsqueeze at July 29, 2012 03:21 PM (imVgX)

119 Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 07:18 PM (VE1KN)

CJ: I think that is why it was released early so that any "peer" review will have to compete with the "generic" reviews by the many many parties interested in the AGW agenda (pro and con).

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 03:23 PM (Cnqmv)

120 122 Well it should be noted that this paper has not yet been peer reviewed. So we should withhold our joy until the paper actually gets published. You can be sure the paper will be scrutinized to the very last semicolon. Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 07:18 PM (VE1KN) --That's what struck me. It's not as serious a matter as, say, tainting a jury pool but I wonder what the effects will be.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:23 PM (imVgX)

121 NPR's response will be to broadcast the Gilligan's Island episode where the Professor thought the island was sinking.

Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 03:23 PM (bbW7j)

122 Posted by: Baraka Obuttsqueeze at July 29, 2012 07:21 PM (imVgX)

His primary concern was whether or not he would be able to smoke cigars in his office! 

He is already down with the "manipulating data part" of the job!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 03:25 PM (Cnqmv)

123 Andy - excellent post brother. These geeks are freaks. Can't wait to see what Mark Steyn writes on this as well. Perhaps he can use this as exhibit A in the supposed cease and desist letter Mann's attorney sent to NRO. Oh, I'm at the beach right now and it is perfect weather baby. Except wife just called and asked: did you take both sets of keys?" um ahhh actually I did. Dog house is getting a lot of use these days.

Posted by: Journolist at July 29, 2012 03:25 PM (3gUvw)

124 Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 07:17 PM (6o4Fb) --Wow. So giving a candid, informed (even if impolitic) take on Olympics security is worse than "You didn't build that!" in MBMland

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:28 PM (imVgX)

125 This is clearly racist.  Libs never lie. 

Posted by: The Churchill bust, currently residing in Barack Obama's fevered imagination at July 29, 2012 03:28 PM (6TB1Z)

126 "Well it should be noted that this paper has not yet been peer reviewed. So we should withhold our joy until the paper actually gets published. You can be sure the paper will be scrutinized to the very last semicolon." The key thing to me is whether it's *right* or not; all sorts of crap gets accepted by pal, er, peer review. THIS will be scrutinized; you got that right. They've got good mathematicians behind this work, which comforts me. Also, they're using the new WMO-ISO Leroy 2010 standard, so they're using any dodgy methodology. It's probably good work. But, by all means, I'm interested in what the paper's critics will have to say.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 03:28 PM (AVesg)

127 * so they're NOT using any dodgy methodology

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 03:29 PM (AVesg)

128 Women diving ahhh.

Posted by: wierd flunky at July 29, 2012 03:29 PM (tlhtD)

129 130 You can read more of it over at PJM ,it's pretty nasty.

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 03:30 PM (6o4Fb)

130 Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 07:28 PM (imVgX)

After all, what can a guy who actually ran an Olympic competition in the middle of nowhere understand about how hard it is to run an Olmpic competition somewhere else?

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 03:31 PM (Cnqmv)

131 the giant baby was creepy . . .

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 03:31 PM (kpCLl)

132 Michael Tomasky, former editor of Guardian America and a host of far-left publications, was tasked by Ms. Brown with the juicy job of de-gonading Mitt Romney.

I started to get mad when I read this, but then I remembered, it's Newsweek, who cares?

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2012 03:31 PM (6TB1Z)

133 Well it should be noted that this paper has not yet been peer reviewed. So we should withhold our joy until the paper actually gets published. You can be sure the paper will be scrutinized to the very last semicolon.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 07:18 PM (VE1KN)


I hope to hell they had the correct publishing date on it

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 29, 2012 03:31 PM (Yhu4q)

134 Get your ass to Mars!

Posted by: Arnie's Head Wrap at July 29, 2012 03:32 PM (PntdI)

135 And speaking of Ann—did you notice that she was the one driving the Jet Ski on their recent vacation, while Mitt rode on the back, hanging on, as Paul Begala put it to me last week, “like a helpless papoose”?

Mitt was just getting in touch with feminine side by letting his wife drive. You'd think the wimminz libbers would be praising him, except he's a Republican, so we can't have that.

Thank G-d he doesn't wear mom jeans or throw like a girl. I shudder to think what they'd do with that.

Posted by: Retread at July 29, 2012 03:32 PM (I2fq9)

136 What NOAA did was flat out dishonest and fraudulent.  The perpetrators of that approach, and any who approved it need to be fired.  This kind of blatant dishonesty is simply unacceptable.  They're not even trying to hide it anymore.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:33 PM (aVolt)

137 135 130 You can read more of it over at PJM ,it's pretty nasty. Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 07:30 PM (6o4Fb) --I get the idea. As I put it earlier, the MBM are desperate, have emptied their clip, and may have even shot their last beanbags. SO now they're just throwing pieces of trash at Romney (metaphor for making shit up/exaggerating stupid crap).

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:33 PM (imVgX)

138 Oh Lord,those Volt commercials make me angry.So many fucking things make me angry!

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 03:33 PM (6o4Fb)

139 I started to get mad when I read this, but then I remembered, it's Newsweek, who cares? Posted by: pep at July 29, 2012 07:31 PM (6TB1Z) Newsweek. What's that?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at July 29, 2012 03:34 PM (PntdI)

140 Science - the new non-science.

Posted by: Journolist at July 29, 2012 03:36 PM (RFl8c)

141 I started to get mad when I read this, but then I remembered, it's Newsweek, who cares? Posted by: pep at July 29, 2012 07:31 PM (6TB1Z) Newsweek is a great magazine for me to POOP on!!

Posted by: Harry the Cockatiel at July 29, 2012 03:36 PM (imVgX)

142
--I get the idea. As I put it earlier, the MBM are desperate, have emptied their clip, and may have even shot their last beanbags. SO now they're just throwing pieces of trash at Romney (metaphor for making shit up/exaggerating stupid crap).

That right there and, thank you, my friend from the north, for having the perspicacity to point it out.  Barry needs to go, soon.  Our country cannot survive another minute of his shitweaselry.

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 03:39 PM (kpCLl)

143 Daily Beast Newsweek. Not even the Harmon family as uber liberals can stomach much of the new beast.

Posted by: Journolist at July 29, 2012 03:39 PM (RFl8c)

144 What NOAA did was flat out dishonest and fraudulent. The perpetrators of that approach, and any who approved it need to be fired.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 07:33 PM (aVolt)


Literally.  Brazen Bulls for these criminals.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2012 03:40 PM (X3lox)

145 What NOAA did was flat out dishonest and fraudulent. The perpetrators of that approach, and any who approved it need to be fired. This kind of blatant dishonesty is simply unacceptable. They're not even trying to hide it anymore. Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 07:33 PM (aVolt) I agree, but no one will be fired or punished for this. Forget it, Purp, it's Washington.

Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 03:40 PM (bbW7j)

146 So the claim that methane causes warming is true because the Scientifically  Measured warming is directly connected to their bullshit

Posted by: Beto at July 29, 2012 03:40 PM (BAnPT)

147 Oh Lord,those Volt commercials make me angry

OMG, steevy, we have one here in el lay, they "volt customer" guy looks like a fuckin' retarded serial killer.  And then he opens his mouth, and the epic stupid pours forth.  Skeevy in the extreme.

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 03:40 PM (kpCLl)

148
   May have to visit LGF to see the reaction.  I know Chuckie's aware of this.  You may have to wait until he's marginally coherent to see it, though.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 29, 2012 03:41 PM (SAMxH)

149 anyone besides me remember when, five or six years ago, it was noticed that the polar ice caps on Mars were shrinking? And we were told that that might be because of the Sun but warming on Earth is caused by Man?


I have actually heard people say, in all apparent sincerity, that the melting of the polar ice caps on Mars is proof positive at the harm that humans are doing to Earth since it's so bad it's even affecting Mars.   There's really nothing you can say at that point that isn't "do you need flashcards to remember how to breathe?"



Here's the thing:  I give a shit about pollution.  I would far prefer to not poison our drinking water, turn everything radioactive, cut down all the forests, etc. etc. etc.  It is utterly impossible to determine the best manner in which to avoid such scenarios when the people who are tasked with finding out the underlying data seem utterly determined to be lying little shit weasels.  At that point, fuck it, lemme throw another tire on the bbq so that the polar bear and spotted owl are really well done. 






Posted by: alexthechick at July 29, 2012 03:41 PM (Gk3SS)

150 brb,  firing up the winning lottery number generator.

Posted by: lolNOAA at July 29, 2012 03:42 PM (0ZJ5N)

151 Looking at Kate Upton causes boners.THAT science is settled.

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 03:44 PM (6o4Fb)

152 Pink Floyd's Mother now playing on iPod at beach and weather is excellent. This is a great station to be in.

Posted by: Journolist at July 29, 2012 03:46 PM (gLXfE)

153 Posted by: alexthechick at July 29, 2012 07:41 PM (Gk3SS)

I completely agree with this.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 03:46 PM (QTHTd)

154 Looking at Kate Upton causes boners.THAT science is settled.


I'm rather certain the Horde will volunteer to peer review the hell out of that theory. 

Posted by: alexthechick at July 29, 2012 03:46 PM (Gk3SS)

155 I know a very smart PhD chemist who has swallowed the AGW myth like (NSFW reference here). She's a lovely and very smart young lady, but she is an Al Gore bot. Her parking spot causes more global warming than her car. I will try my best to bring her to the Dark Side.

Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 03:46 PM (bbW7j)

156 Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 07:40 PM (bbW7j)

The depressing thing here (as there wasn't enough) is that NO ONE will be fired or even chastised for this fundamental transgression of scientific ethics!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 03:47 PM (Cnqmv)

157 Daily Beast Newsweek. Not even the Harmon family as uber liberals can stomach much of the new beast.

You know Sidney croaked, right?  Shortly after acquiring this fine media outlet for a dollah. 

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 03:47 PM (kpCLl)

158 I can't win. 

I am a bully for cutting some fags hair in HS, which was total Bullshit, and now I am a Wimp.

Will you fuckers make up your minds.

Are you going with the cut throat bully capitalist or the Wimpy moron that doesn't drink coffee?


Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Willard at July 29, 2012 03:49 PM (3ZjAP)

159

fuck it, lemme throw another tire on the bbq so that the polar bear and spotted owl are really well done.

 

You are evil AND you cook?    

Posted by: garrett at July 29, 2012 03:50 PM (pz410)

160 >> I know a very smart PhD chemist who has swallowed the AGW myth like (NSFW reference here). >> She's a lovely and very smart young lady, but she is an Al Gore bot. Is she hot? Or easy? Or both?

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 03:50 PM (AVesg)

161 @164

Hey that Mormon, not moron.  I couldn't be a moron, I don't drink.

Posted by: Willard at July 29, 2012 03:53 PM (3ZjAP)

162 You are evil AND you cook?



I'm a pretty damn good cook, actually.   And it's not evil, it's otherly moral. 



Will you fuckers make up your minds.


Now, now, if W can be an utterly evil genius mouthbreathing incompetent, why should they make up their mind about Willard. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at July 29, 2012 03:54 PM (Gk3SS)

163 Sidney Hartman was a good guy who was old school of course and thought of Newsweek in such terms. But the alliance and the new tabloidism with the Beast is even freaking out the Harmon new generation liberals so now Interactive is taking over and Barry Diller an of course with the youngest board member evaaah, Vhelsea Clinton is helping to steer things. Chelsea all grown up an a board member. Wow.

Posted by: Journolist at July 29, 2012 03:54 PM (+Aarq)

164 Hey that Mormon, not moron. I couldn't be a moron, I don't drink.

Posted by: Willard at July 29, 2012 07:53 PM (3ZjAP)

au contraire, skippy . . . plenty of teh morons don't drink, it's not a requirement.

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 03:54 PM (kpCLl)

165 Is she hot? Or easy? Or both? Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 07:50 PM (AVesg) No comment. But, she is a Berkeley grad.

Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 03:56 PM (bbW7j)

166 @170

I could be a moron?  Could I wear my temple underwear to the meetings?

Posted by: Willard at July 29, 2012 03:57 PM (3ZjAP)

167 This paper is significant for a variety of reasons. Much of the research has been crowd sourced. Non-scientists! have participated in a global science project. All data and methodology is included in the paper, making any part of it challengeable or capable of disproof, as opposed to the shoddy (and allegedly possibly fraudulent) work of folks like Mann.
 
It also punches a new set of holes in the climate models, which all used the higher warming rates. Of course many knew the models were as useful as a bucket of warm spit based on their inability to predict anything.
 
This kind of work will also set a new standard for thoroughness and openness in future reports. No more 'I lost the original data, trust me' BS will fly.
 
Major kudos to Anthony Watts et al.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 29, 2012 03:57 PM (ccXZP)

168 So can we call it Man Made-Up Global Warming now?

Posted by: Sponge at July 29, 2012 03:58 PM (ExqqC)

169 au contraire, skippy . . . plenty of teh morons don't drink, it's not a requirement. Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 07:54 PM (kpCLl) Indeed. Bacon is another matter.

Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 03:58 PM (bbW7j)

170 No comment.

But, she is a Berkeley grad.

Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 07:56 PM (bbW7j)


That leg hair itches when she raps those legs around you, doesn't it?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 29, 2012 03:58 PM (3ZjAP)

171 Destroying America requires a lot of down time to decompress,or something.Busy,busy man. Pres Obama back at Ft. Belvoir today for round of golf with a few of his aides. It’s 85° and cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. Humidity 55%. — Mark Knoller (@markknoller) July 29, 2012

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 03:58 PM (6o4Fb)

172 Major kudos to Anthony Watts et al.

Cannot be said often enough or loud enough.  God bless them.

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 03:58 PM (kpCLl)

173 Bacon is another matter.

c'est vrai . . . teh bacons are not negotiable.

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 03:59 PM (kpCLl)

174 That leg hair itches when she raps those legs around you, doesn't it? Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 29, 2012 07:58 PM (3ZjAP) That is a beach I have not walked. Maybe someday.

Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 03:59 PM (bbW7j)

175 Gaia is a skank whore.

Posted by: The Goddess Irony at July 29, 2012 04:01 PM (bbW7j)

176 does Bourbon count as 'drinking'????

Posted by: Solid Copy at July 29, 2012 04:03 PM (Dll6b)

177 bourbon? uh, yeah, that counts

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 04:04 PM (kpCLl)

178 Could I wear my temple underwear to the meetings?

Posted by: Willard at July 29, 2012 07:57 PM (3ZjAP)



You wear tzit-tzit?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2012 04:05 PM (X3lox)

179

182 does Bourbon count as 'drinking'????

Posted by: Solid Copy at July 29, 2012 08:03 PM

 

Adds +2 to crossbow dmg

Posted by: justass roberts at July 29, 2012 04:06 PM (uG50m)

180 Pres Obama back at Ft. Belvoir today for round of golf with a few of his aides. It’s 85° and cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. Humidity 55%.

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) July 29, 2012

Douchebag-icity 3000%.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2012 04:07 PM (X3lox)

181 HA!Weasel Zippers has the Newsweek "Wimp" cover up and than some pictures of President Urkel at his pussy best.

Posted by: steevy at July 29, 2012 04:08 PM (6o4Fb)

182

166>> I know a very smart PhD chemist who has swallowed the AGW myth like (NSFW reference here).


>> She's a lovely and very smart young lady, but she is an Al Gore bot.

 

Proof positive of the strong selection pressure for gullibility in females ("you'll respect me even more? Really? OK.")

 

Wait - she's a Berkeley PhD chemist and she's lovely? I call bullshit right there. From my experience most of that small demographic looked like Ray Nitschke. On a bad day. For Ray, that is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2012 04:10 PM (vl5G2)

183 Ima go keep the couch company and hope i don't have to dash back and post anything about anal leakage.  Later, fapp-tastics! 

Posted by: Peaches at July 29, 2012 04:10 PM (kpCLl)

184

That is a beach I have not walked.

 

Thanks for staying away from the "furrow/plow" metaphor.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2012 04:12 PM (vl5G2)

185 From my experience most of that small demographic looked like Ray Nitschke. On a bad day. For Ray, that is.

I don't know how long ago you were in grad school, but from what I've sen, there has been a marked improvement from my grad (and undergrad) days back in the stone age. 

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2012 04:14 PM (6TB1Z)

186 From the way Delingpole's article reads, you might almost be drawn to the conclusion that he is gloating.
 
As an aside, I scanned through today's AP headlines and strangely enough there wasn't one mention of this new paper. Bile retention prevents me from conducting a similar survey of the NYT.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 29, 2012 04:19 PM (ccXZP)

187 she's a Berkeley PhD chemist and she's lovely? I call bullshit right there.

They're not "hot", if that's what you mean, but they're usually very cute. I was in MATH classes when I was in college, remember. By the time you get to the junior-level 3xx and 4xx courses, you're in there with some serious Asperger's cases.

Some of the girls there were trolls but most looked like Jordan from "Real Genius". You just wanted to pinch their cheeks and hug them.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 04:20 PM (QTHTd)

188 Same goes for the male math geeks, btw, maybe without the huggability

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 04:21 PM (QTHTd)

189

I don't know how long ago you were in grad school, but from what I've sen, there has been a marked improvement from my grad (and undergrad) days back in the stone age.

 

I was in grad school when Stonehenge was on the drawing board, and the entering class in chemistry consisted almost exclusively of male poster boys for an Asperger's telethon (present author included).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2012 04:24 PM (vl5G2)

190 people accept AGW becayse it's something they can believe in and feel like theyre doing good of course these people are lazy and hypocritical, but saying that they believe in AGW and separating their trash once in a while nakes them feel like "good people"

Posted by: soothsayer jumps in without reading at July 29, 2012 04:28 PM (3RjNU)

191 I was in grad school when Stonehenge was on the drawing board, and the entering class in chemistry consisted almost exclusively of male poster boys for an Asperger's telethon (present author included).

Yeah, I thought you looked familiar. 

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2012 04:29 PM (6TB1Z)

192 Hey pep. Long time no see!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2012 04:31 PM (vl5G2)

193 I taught college and graduate level engineering course several years ago, and over the course of my teaching career became convinced that the intellectual quality and ability of the students was declining at a rapid rate.

The foreign students were a different matter.  I had a dot Indian that aced everything I threw at them (which was purposefully impossible).

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 04:32 PM (Cnqmv)

194

people accept AGW becayse it's something they can believe in and feel like theyre doing good

 

And more importantly, it makes them feel important. They matter, goddamnit. They're not insignificant bugs on the windshield of life. The fate of the planet hangs on their decisions!

 

And they care.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2012 04:33 PM (vl5G2)

195 93 The science is settled, whatever it takes to establish world domination over the lives of all prosperous people. Interesting it is, that the impoverished are NOT on the AGW radar.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 07:02 PM (Cnqmv)


A fun and easy way to piss off ecotards is to point out that the environmental movement seems to be the hobby of rich white people, then ask them to name two well known eco activists who are not white.

Posted by: model_1066 at July 29, 2012 04:36 PM (yYKoR)

196 model_1066, Van Jones

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 04:37 PM (QTHTd)

197 #103

Climate con man Ricard Muller must have caught wind of WUWT story. NYT published opinion piece today where he now says..DUN...DUN...DUN... that man is 100% the cause of global warming.

That's kind of unfair to Richard Muller. He's long criticized AGW 'science' for circumventing the scientific method...and has lambasted authors, and papers, and even the flawed peer review process that get's seriously flawed AGW tripe published. I've always found the man brutally honest, both with himself, and his peers.

He's been a skeptic for a while, but even a few years ago he's stated publicly that GW exists, and is likely caused by man's activities. His work with his daughter, and the BEST project was an attempt to eliminate the flaws he, and others, saw in other temperature reconstructions...right or wrong, his data, methodologies, and algorithms are being made available to anyone that wants to poke around under the hood.

This is in sharp contrast to Mann, and his various toadies that go out of their way to hide as much as possible.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 29, 2012 04:38 PM (L7hol)

198 200 people accept AGW becayse it's something they can believe in and feel like theyre doing good And more importantly, it makes them feel important. They matter, goddamnit. They're not insignificant bugs on the windshield of life. The fate of the planet hangs on their decisions! And they care. Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2012 08:33 PM (vl5G2) --The Glob and Mail had a discussion about how Canadian tourists are treated abroad. One of the replies was this: I’ve travelled through 25 to 30 countries on seven continents while travelling the world for the past 2 1/2 years. I have a flag stitched on my bag, and aim to represent Canada in the best light with everyone I meet. There is no question that the positive reputation that Canadians have previously held has eroded in the wake of the oil sands, Kyoto Accord, and our other foreign policies in the last decade. While we were known in the past as a country that “does the right thing” in terms of peacekeeping and environmental issues, people I meet all around the world question what we’re doing, and our place as a world leader. --Uh, just following the AGW herd is not leadership ipso facto. Besides, how you personally comport yourself and respect the environment, other cultures, etc. is infinitely more meaningful that generalizations made by foreigners or decisions made by your country's leaders.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 04:38 PM (imVgX)

199 Id this the same NOAA that is persecuting that Marine Biologist because somebody on her boat whistled at a whale? Yeah, I thought so.

Posted by: Dodging bullets in Chicago at July 29, 2012 04:38 PM (WqcDi)

200 @199

Math?  Fuck that, did you know the colonial powers raped and killed Native Americans and stole their land.   That millions of Negroes lived in SLAVERY and the white people are still keeping them down.

What more important, math or knowledregy?

Posted by: Public HS School Grad 2012 at July 29, 2012 04:38 PM (3ZjAP)

201 I guess that's why you asked for two. Van "The Green Economy" Jones is the only one that came up without googling.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 04:39 PM (QTHTd)

202
    Doesn't really matter if the Earth is warming or cooling. You can't change either, so adapting to the particular ---thereby insuring or vastly inproving survival rates--is  the only logical solution.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 29, 2012 04:39 PM (SAMxH)

203 I'm not sure the peer-reviewed hurdle is such a big thing anymore. First of all, the peer-review process has become contaminated, and people know it. Second, this is guerilla warfare. The Net is an ideal repository for subversive information. Without it, this data probably never would have seen the light of day, no matter how good it is. Certainly not in toney venues like Nature or Science. With it, this data becomes a weapon. The release of this paper shows that the Net now makes it possible to do what Ronald Reagan did: talk directly past the MSM to the people. Seems to me the authors are aware of this.

Posted by: Cricket at July 29, 2012 04:40 PM (2ArJQ)

204 I taught college and graduate level engineering course several years ago, and over the course of my teaching career became convinced that the intellectual quality and ability of the students was declining at a rapid rate.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 08:32 PM (Cnqmv)


ItÂ’s not that I want to punish your intelligence, I just want to make sure that everybody that is dumber than you, that they have a chance to be called smart too. I think that when you spread the intellectual awards around, itÂ’s good for everybody.


Posted by: King Emperor Admiral Barky of the Room-Temperature IQ at July 29, 2012 04:41 PM (X3lox)

205 people accept AGW because it's something they can believe in and feel like theyre doing good We should thank them each winter. Good job, guys!

Posted by: t-bird at July 29, 2012 04:41 PM (FcR7P)

206 202 model_1066, Van Jones

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 08:37 PM (QTHTd)


Yeah the 'environmental justice' thing...he's a race baiter who went where the money and power is, that's all.

Posted by: model_1066 at July 29, 2012 04:42 PM (yYKoR)

207 My alma mater had 3 females in the under graduate population. Not sure if they were there for the education or something else. Only one of them was worth a second glance.

Posted by: Ronster at July 29, 2012 04:42 PM (fqpzt)

208 207 I guess that's why you asked for two. Van "The Green Economy" Jones is the only one that came up without googling. Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 08:39 PM (QTHTd) --Don't forget Danny "Global warming caused the Haiti earthquake" Glover.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 04:43 PM (imVgX)

209 --Don't forget Danny "Global warming caused the Haiti earthquake" Glover.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 08:43 PM (imVgX)



Glover had just learned those lines phonetically.  He had no idea what he was talking about.  He doesn't even know what a "globe" is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrdredPair at July 29, 2012 04:45 PM (X3lox)

210 brb, getting taco bell to pad methane-emission concentrations.

Posted by: lolNOAA at July 29, 2012 04:46 PM (0ZJ5N)

211 --The Glob and Mail had a discussion about how Canadian tourists are treated abroad. One of the replies was this: I’ve travelled through 25 to 30 countries on seven continents while travelling the world for the past 2 1/2 years. I have a flag stitched on my bag, and aim to represent Canada in the best light with everyone I meet. There is no question that the positive reputation that Canadians have previously held has eroded in the wake of the oil sands, Kyoto Accord, and our other foreign policies in the last decade. While we were known in the past as a country that “does the right thing” in terms of peacekeeping and environmental issues, people I meet all around the world question what we’re doing, and our place as a world leader. --Uh, just following the AGW herd is not leadership ipso facto. Besides, how you personally comport yourself and respect the environment, other cultures, etc. is infinitely more meaningful that generalizations made by foreigners or decisions made by your country's leaders. Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 08:38 PM (imVgX) 25-30 countries in 2 1/2 years.....with a Canuck flag on his bag (backpack). I'm thinking that the disdain he sees is more due to folks in those countries being sick and tired of foreign trust-fund hippies swarming over them telling them how they're supposed to live.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2012 04:48 PM (Rhie+)

212

There is no question that the positive reputation that Canadians have previously held

 

Nothing against Canada or Canadians, but they're not in the same class with the US, nor faced with the same problems that the US is, and consequently don't have to make the tough decisions that are inevitably unpopular as hell with someone. It's easy to be popular when you don't have the power to make yourself unpopular.

 

Nobody's pissed at Lichtenstein, either, and for the same reason. They're holding someone else's coat, or at most singing the doo-wops, when the shit starts. (That's not to denigrate the contributions of the Canadian armed forces by any means, it's just that Canada isn't prominent enough to generate real enmity abroad.) The US is like the cop in a tough neighborhood; Canada is like a kindly candy store proprietor.

 

Fun fact: the NYC police department is larger than the Royal Canadian Army.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2012 04:50 PM (vl5G2)

213 people I meet all around the world question what weÂ’re doing, and our place as a world leader.

The 51st state as a world leader?  LOL.

Or 58th state, as per the Canine Connoisseur and Intellectual Peer.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2012 04:52 PM (X3lox)

214 Also notice that the Canucktard is making a sweeping generalization about the last decade of Canadian foreign policy based on 2 1/2 years of "world travel". Where he probably spoke to a wide range of people in youth hostels, discos and coffee lounges worldwide.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2012 04:57 PM (Rhie+)

215 @218


Actually the Frogs are tied with NYPD.  They both have about 35,000.  Course that is counting 16,000 reservist in the Frog column. Active duty, NYPD is TWICE as big as the Frogs.

Glad to know our Northern border is protected!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 29, 2012 04:57 PM (3ZjAP)

216 Posted by: King Emperor Admiral Barky of the Room-Temperature IQ at July 29, 2012 08:41 PM (X3lox)

For a second there, I thought you were being facetious, then I realized you were serious!

And it is true that there are a LOT of smart people out there!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 05:01 PM (Cnqmv)

217 @218

Course, RCAF has 14,500 in it and 391 planes. 

Get this, they are the SIXTH largest air force in the Americas.  Every branch of the US has more planes as does Brazil.

But they to have free health care!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 29, 2012 05:01 PM (3ZjAP)

218 82 anyone besides me remember when, five or six years ago, it was noticed that the polar ice caps on Mars were shrinking?


I remember because I presented that observation (and temp data from the rover) to one of my policy Political Science classes when the teacher got going off on global warming doom in class.

"There has to be some way our CO2 is getting to Mars...like a tunnel through space we can't detect or something"

Posted by: Ranba Ral at July 29, 2012 05:05 PM (G99e4)

219  

   Despite our current problems, this is still the most exceptional country on the planet.

    We can ensure that it gets even better this November.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 29, 2012 05:06 PM (SAMxH)

220 Environmentalists invented, from whole cloth, new words to describe unquantifiable social-environmental effects of civilization on the natural world. These new words were then used in place of, and to supersede, codified laws and regulations.

Viewshed is one of those words.

Watts subtly co-oped leftist eco-speak and turned the tables in the process.

Posted by: 13times at July 29, 2012 05:11 PM (h6XiD)

221 It's "Mannmade Global Warming."

The one letter makes the entire distinction pretty clear.

It would be interesting to take the Watts et al. "instrumental record" and use -that- with Mann's original methods and proxies.

Mann's (fundamentally dishonest) method makes the assumption that "a few good trees" - that is, trees/proxies that line up -very- well with the instrumental period in their region - can be used to extent the temperature reconstruction into the pre-instrumental period.


But.

He used the cruddy pre-Watt (and pre-several other cleanup attempts) instrumental records. I'd bet actual capital that you do -NOT- get the -SAME- "few good trees" with this newer, better "instrumental period" temperature reconstruction.

Which means his method is provably -complete- bullshit.

Posted by: Al at July 29, 2012 05:21 PM (MzQOZ)

222 When in doubt, destroy the original source data!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 29, 2012 05:26 PM (Cnqmv)

223 "I say this just to add a tiny bit of anecdotal support that - no DOUBT station siting is hugely important, and if you aren't making proper corrections for changes to the station environment over time the data you produce is going to be quite misleading. "
Which is why these stations can be defined as "out of compliance" because they are supposed to be away from heat sources.
Its been my experience over the last 30 years or so that there has been warming, and now there is cooling. But was that global? Even if you could trust the weather stations to begin with, there's like a dozen in the southern hemisphere, if that. Over half the entire globe.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 05:28 PM (r4wIV)

224 Patriots and citizen scientists, all. Never was so much owed by so many to so few.  


Posted by: 13times at July 29, 2012 05:33 PM (h6XiD)

225

Actually the Frogs are tied with NYPD. They both have about 35,000. Course that is counting 16,000 reservist in the Frog column.

 

That's a lot of dropped rifles.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2012 05:36 PM (vl5G2)

226 The whole global warming scam is so bizarre.

What is the correct Global Temperature?

At what time in earths history was this magic temperature the norm?

Exactly how much would we have to dial back the things we are supposedly doing and for how long to reach this magic temperature?

And on and on...

I really wish someone would ask these simple questions.

The station citing expose is all well and good, but this monkey business was well known, but all it would really take is to ask very basic questions and demand real responses.


Posted by: General Woundwort at July 29, 2012 05:48 PM (DWgdc)

227  And once again an Obama "Positive" ad ends with the "I approve this message" stuff.  A opposed to the negative attack ads which begin with it.  I really wonder what the explanation for that is

Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 05:57 PM (GULKT)

228 Its weak psychology: last thing you hear is more likely to be what you remember.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 06:05 PM (r4wIV)

229 Very nice and awesomely awesome. Just want to point out that most alleged warming comes from picking the data start point at the end of the last mini ice-age. Of course, temps have been going up since 1980, we left the temperature trough.

Posted by: joeindc44 at July 29, 2012 06:22 PM (P2Tu5)

230 >>> Some of the girls there were trolls but most looked like Jordan from "Real Genius". You just wanted to pinch their cheeks and hug them. lol You hug; I'll play stinky finger. Each to their own.

Posted by: Random at July 29, 2012 06:32 PM (u8eBQ)

231 This is really a simple investigation, something that Columbo (Peter Falk} could handle in a single episode. I live in a rural area of NorthWestern NJ. We used to get the temperature from a group of monks that left the area because of corruption ( just a joke, but maybe not a joke .) The state installed an automated weather reporting station on a taxi way of the local airport next to an asphalt runway. I live about three miles away and the temperature readings are about seven degrees higher than actual by my digital weather station. (Closing one eye and walking with a slight limp )

Posted by: NortonPete at July 29, 2012 07:57 PM (8zxoH)

232 "Some of the girls there were trolls but most looked like Jordan from 'Real Genius.' You just wanted to pinch their cheeks and hug them."
I thought she was cuter than a basket of kittens. Fun too, but probably would drive you bonkers after a while.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 08:22 PM (r4wIV)

233 My alma mater had 3 females in the under graduate population. Not sure if they were there for the education or something else. Only one of them was worth a second glance.

Posted by: Ronster

That sounds like a hedonism resort.

 

Posted by: Jean at July 29, 2012 08:58 PM (oE4Sy)

234

25-30 countries in 2 1/2 years.....with a Canuck flag on his bag (backpack). I'm thinking that the disdain ...

I put a canuck (or irish) path on my bag, too.  Blame me

Posted by: Jean at July 29, 2012 09:02 PM (oE4Sy)

235

Hi All,  We just got in from a balloon rally in the Niagara Falls area.  It's 2am an I am pooped.  Have I missed anything of note in the last 3 days?  Is Obama still a SCOAMF? Need I ask?

 

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 29, 2012 10:04 PM (JKNDp)

236 It's not manmade global warming, it's Mann-made global warming. 

Posted by: Stacy M at July 30, 2012 06:41 AM (jJMNa)

237 Conclusive Proof Of Manmade Mann made Global Warming TFIFY

Posted by: chuck in st paul at July 30, 2012 07:10 AM (EhYdw)

238

#243 [all my html went in the bit bucket... SHEESH!]

Conclusive Proof Of Manmade Mann made Global Warming TFIFY

 

Posted by: chuck in st paul at July 30, 2012 07:12 AM (EhYdw)

239 #244  WTF?? what the hell happens to the formatting? It's just fine in the editor window and the tags are there if you shift to the raw html view. Then when you post it all the formatting disappears?????

Posted by: chuck in st paul at July 30, 2012 07:14 AM (EhYdw)

240 Believe what you wish...but I'm smart enough to recognize that auto exhaust emissions, coal furnaces belching, second hand cigarette smoke, etc. are not conducive to my good health, and in the grand natural scheme of things are NOT a natural occurring phenomenon. So don't get carried away with medieval or greater prognostications from centuries past. There indeed may be ambient temperature fluctuations over time...but let's not stick our head in the sand...or up that all essential part of our anatomy!

Posted by: Craig in Florida at July 30, 2012 08:56 AM (pyCD+)

241 Gore and his bunch of ass holes started all this CRAP.

Posted by: Raymond at July 30, 2012 09:48 AM (UU6Nu)

242 There are pollutants that adversely affect human quality of life and damage ecosystems. If we are to divert resources to protecting or improving the ecological quality of planet earth, then we should at least focus those resources in areas that produce a real and measurable improvement. Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, and an honest and thorough analysis of climate data fails to demonstrate global temperatures that fall outside of expected ranges for the current solar activity, earth orbital variations, and atmospheric condition variations from natural causes (not anthropomorphic). There is scientific basis for the theory that increased atmospheric levels of various greenhouse gases will tend to increase global average temperatures, but the potential magnitude of the effect is small relative to the magnitude of natural climate variations. The projections that suggest potentially catastrophic effects are scientifically flawed on so many levels that they are essentially meaningless. Even if you take these projections at face value, however, proposed countermeasures are simultaneously ineffective at influencing the climate and highly destructive in other ways.

Posted by: Roy at July 30, 2012 11:45 AM (PdRiP)

243 Yup CO2 is a Greenhouse gas ! When you add it to a greenhouse plants grow better! But that's it !
But WHAT is HEAT? !
Heat is a vibration of molecules It is greatly affected by the QUANTITY of these vibrating molecules !
One of the arguments put forward is that these Global Warming Alarmists say CO2 "Traps heat"  Would Global Alarmists try to explain HOW CO2 "TRAPS" heat ?!!!
Here's something else even more important that they never mention. How much CO2 is in the air and WHAT units is it measured in ?

Before I retired from the Government of Canada I used to work in what is called the Maritime Region of Canada namely in the 4 eastern provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland Labrador.

These provinces are considered the tailpipe of North America because of the direction of the jet stream and the get direction of surface winds.

I measured CO2 levels in the country side at between 370 to 375 Parts per million(PPM what that means is there were ~375 molecules of CO2 for every million molecules of "air". In the Cities such as Halifax it would vary between 415 to 435 PPM.
Next question.
How much CO2 is produced by mankind?
Looking at the David Suzoky website that Global Warming Alarmist it can be seen that before the Industrial Revolution (prior to ~1800's) that CO2 levels averaged  ~275 PPM as one drilled down into the  both the Arctic and Antarctic ice.
For arguments sake Mankind  produces ~ 100 PPM If we you drop levels to around 175 PPM all plants would die and so would mankind !
This is nothing more than a great scam by rich Socialists such a Gore to get richer selling Carbon Trading !!





Posted by: Dan at July 30, 2012 11:56 AM (3yKD5)

244

As a space physicist I've often wondered why the ice in the polls of Mars tracked the temperature on earth. They grow on yrs. when we have cool temps here and completely disappear during our warmer yrs. Strange how earthly man made made things effect Mars. Hummm . . . .

Posted by: Michael at August 03, 2012 03:13 PM (YcuIC)

245 What are the chances of getting Obama's fully functional socialist-totalitarian police state media to print or discuss these findings of fact?  Ans: nil

Posted by: John at August 04, 2012 01:33 PM (MM/pQ)

246 What the hell is so strange about global warming? The earth has been warming up for the past 10,0000 years. There used to be glaciers extending down to New Jersey USA. The fact that there was a small intervening ice age from the 1400s to the 1850s approximately was a small blip in an otherwise dominant trend. I suspect that the trend can reverse as it has done in the past is no reason to ignore the evidence in plain sight. The recent melt in the Artic and Anartic and on Greenland should convince all reasonable men and women that something is happening at an accelerating pace here on earth. The earth has had hot and cold  wet and dry periods before.
Why not now? Why would you look for stability in this daunting paradise when it has never existed before?

Posted by: ASHLEY GOODMAN at August 05, 2012 07:01 AM (I667z)

247

To paraphrase Hermann Goering, whenever I hear "The science is settled!", it makes me want to reach for my pistol. ("Godwin!") ("He's a gun nut!")

In what other field is the science EVER settled?  "Erm, sorry, Galileo old chap, we know the sun revolves around the Earth-- the science is settled!" "Listen, Albert, you stupid unemployable-in-your-field patent clerk, Ike Newton got it all knocked two centuries ago; the science is settled-- what are YOU doing rocking the boat?" Amazing how calls for continuing research into the phenomenon of so-called warming,  and calls for redoubled methodological rigor, are met with "What are you talking about? Are you 'in the tank' for Big Oil, so to speak?" Seems like a different kind of rigor is going on-- rigor mortis of the brain.  Ask these people why they come across like Agent Mulder-- "I WANT to believe!" Ask them under what circumstances, if there ever would be any, would it prompt them to admit they got it wrong in the first instance?  And then ask them the meta-question: What are their basic assumptions about humanity in general living on the planet-- in the ultimate, is our presence bad for the planet, even that of the "noble savages" who take care of "Mother Earth"? And which interest should triumph?  If these clownies were put to the task of having to answer these questions first, we wouldn't be blinded by their lab-coat-clipboard legitimacy pose.

Posted by: therealguyfaux at August 05, 2012 07:04 AM (iKUAQ)

248 It is interesting to read the USA Communist Manifesto of 1965; a key point is that the environmental movement should be pushed hard to help weaken America financially.

Posted by: JIM at August 05, 2012 10:06 AM (wO9G6)

249 Woohoo, launch the Nukes!!!

Posted by: Cary at August 05, 2012 05:09 PM (BTuGv)

250 So what? The world will run our of fossil fuels sooner or later, global warming or no global warming

Posted by: James Chater at August 05, 2012 11:32 PM (Wb8qA)

251 The most irresponsible piece of bullshit I've seen in a long time. This writer ought to run for congress; he'll fit right in!

Posted by: Jeff at August 06, 2012 02:23 AM (WPyLr)

252 Temp up or down what does it matter if humanity continues to expand at a plague rate everything will be doomed eventually

Posted by: John Lynch at August 06, 2012 06:42 PM (b4fng)

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