October 03, 2012
— Ace
Bryan Preston, who linked that cool gif above, has one warning about Romney's domination: There's no place of Obama to go but up.
Romney was so dominant that he can only get worse from here. Obama was so awful that he can only improve.Do you see what the mainstream media can do with those trajectories?
TheyÂ’re already writing the script at the New York Times. Now Obama just has to look better in the next debate than he looked last night.
So the advice for Romney: Treat tonight like a loss and do even better next time.
Weekly Standard runs down some takeaways from the Mile High Massacre, primarily: What the hell was Obama or his debate prep team thinking?
I think @exjon said something like this: The problem is that Barack Obama was prepared to combat his favorite opponent -- a strawman. But a genuine man showed up, and he didn't have flint enough to set a real man on fire.
Obama was genuinely surprised to learn that Mitt Romney's plan has always been to reduce rates while keeping taxation revenue-neutral. He had prepared a Strawman Bonfire. It turns out he wasn't alone in that ignorance: Watching CNN, I was shocked to discover these "reporters" who presume to inform The Common Man were learning this for the first time, too.
I don't bother linking the irrelevant liberal Andrew Sullivan anymore but I will strongly encourage you to drink his sweet tears. And he blubbers up a lot of them.
He doesn't think Obama won a single exchange, and started calling it a "rolling calamity" for Obama fairly early. Then his mood got bluer when Romney got even better, and Obama got even worse.
Hot Air runs down a lot of stuff you probably know, but maybe you missed some.
On Intrade, Obama lost 11% in one bad night.
CNN's flash poll has lots of good news for Romney. Registered voters (D+4) say he won 67-25, the highest margin of victory since CNN started flashpolling debates.
As far as "edged your vote in one direction:" Romney 35% more likely, Obama 18% more likely. 47% say no effect.
Did Obama do better or worse than you expected? Better, 21%; worse, 61%.
Romney -- better, 81%; worse 10%. (And that's just liberals who are lying, or who are trying to express outrage at all the LIES Romney told.)
In all areas the debate was about -- economy, leadership, taxes, health care, debt -- Romney won the night by fat margins, in the fifties to Obama's forties. Romney's lead isn't so great on health care, but he is in fact leading on Democratic issue, 52-47.
On favorable/unfavorable, Obama split 49/49, while Romney actually goosed an already decent number (which surprised me) further up to 56/42. (!!!)
On who is more likable, they're tied 45/46, with Romney with that (very MoE) edge.
So... I dunno. Romney's ahead on likability?
Finally -- among independents (not all RV's), Romney decimated Obama, 75-17.
Seventy-five to 17.
Good Lord.
If you haven't watched Frank Luntz's focus group of dunces well-informed and dutiful undecided citizens who make all the correct decisions, in time, I suggest you rectify that oversight posthaste.
It was a good night for Romney, and he now has the momentum, if not quite yet the lead. That'll take a few days.
These polls are so good for Romney I expect the left to indulge in a bit of Poll Trutherism and suggest that naturally the audience was more Republican than Democrat because, I don't know. Whatever.
Even if that's so -- even the Huffington Post declares Romney the winner. It's not as if people who didn't watch the debate will be confused about the outcome of it. It's very clear who won. Even James Carville admits Romney wanted to be there, and Obama didn't.
Can Romney keep the momentum? Well, he's giving a "major" foreign policy speech next week, and of course Obama's best hope of reversing the momentum is... a Joe Biden victory over Paul Ryan.
Plus, the unemployment numbers for September come out Friday. We don't know if they'll be good or bad, but they're rarely good, and we haven't seen any signals suggesting that help for Obama is coming on this front.
This could be a very, very bad two weeks for Obama.
Blame the Moderator! The big liberal line is that Romney beat up both Obama and poor Jim Lehrer. The wanted Jim Lehrer to do what journalists do most of the time, protect Dear Leader from criticism.
Of course Obama actually spoke for four more minutes than Romney.
However, this argument is about juicing the refs for the next game -- because they know Biden is weak, and now know Obama needs some special TLC, they're trying to get the moderators to dog Ryan and Romney. They know their candidates aren't up to it, so they want the press, as usual, to ride to their rescue.
This will intensify all this week-- the calls will be for moderators to vigorously challenge the Republicans in order to aid Obama and Biden.
Expect it.
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I'm beginning to think Willard may actually win this thing. The Palace Guard will turn on O faster than they put on their knee pads if they think he's going down faster than a Jap Zero over Midway.
Posted by: Naj at October 03, 2012 09:19 PM (tAHf5)
Do you think some got pulled from the Obama camp over to Romney?
Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2012 09:20 PM (z9HTb)
Quick and painless, please. He can just walk over and knock him out with a rubber mallet, then break out his white board.
Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2012 09:21 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: catmman at October 03, 2012 09:22 PM (C8XlI)
Particularly if you missed parts because you were paying more attention to the liveblog.
Posted by: Methos at October 03, 2012 09:22 PM (6LvlL)
Posted by: EmilyM. at October 03, 2012 09:22 PM (9jvEB)
Now the bigger question: what is John Kerry good at?
Bueller? Bueller?
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:23 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: California red at October 03, 2012 09:23 PM (DXTKe)
Posted by: taylork at October 03, 2012 09:25 PM (ppNDn)
I noticed Obama wasnÂ’t blinking as much as usual. Taken together with the fact that he clearly wasnÂ’t at his best, IÂ’m suggesting he wasnÂ’t as coked up as he needed to be.
WeÂ’ll see if they rectify that miscalculation in the next debateÂ…
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:25 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 03, 2012 09:26 PM (6JMZR)
PRESIDENT Romney
This should be on everyone's lips tomorrow. Talk it up!
President Romney
Obama has 3-1/2 more months.
President Romney
Posted by: rd at October 03, 2012 09:26 PM (9sUlj)
Posted by: Up with people! A man. at October 03, 2012 09:28 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: rd at October 03, 2012 09:28 PM (9sUlj)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 03, 2012 09:28 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: killface at October 03, 2012 09:29 PM (R8kIj)
@stefcutter
I don't think we need a moderator at next debate....we have Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at October 03, 2012 09:29 PM (FM+HG)
Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2012 09:29 PM (z9HTb)
Oh, I so love the Internet. Though I was not able to watch the debate live, I can still see it in its entirety. I will be able to see Obama's flaling and floundering from several camera angles. I can replay Mitt's greatists hits as many times as I want to. I can see Chris Matthews melt down a hundred times if I like.
And just think how much this will echo throughout the Internet, pure and unfiltered by the MFM. They used to be able to control the narrative but no more. Obama's reverse-Midas touch is affecting them as well. People no longer trust them and their pathetic spin will only show their bias more.
Today has been a good day.
Posted by: Warthog at October 03, 2012 09:30 PM (OixJo)
IIRC, Bambi didn't seem to want to be at his acceptance speech, either.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 03, 2012 09:30 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: csmats at October 03, 2012 09:31 PM (pOSGo)
Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2012 09:32 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: ace at October 03, 2012 09:32 PM (LCRYB)
Mr. Eloquent: "Everything from aircrafts..."
Uh, dude, the plural of "aircraft" is "aircraft".
Posted by: Anachronda at October 03, 2012 09:32 PM (1c58W)
Posted by: rd for President Romney 2013 at October 03, 2012 09:32 PM (9sUlj)
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If you watch it on slo-mo, you can find the precise frame when his heart breaks.
Posted by: Nelson Munz at October 03, 2012 09:33 PM (6LvlL)
O did not have his blankie... um... I mean 'teleprompter' with him, so naturally he wanted to be somewhere else.
/for the next debate, look at the jug ears and see if there's an earpiece in them, lord obama will need the help....
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:33 PM (z63Tr)
Typical lib projection. The Real Obama (the bully) came out for a very brief moment as he deathstared Lehrer with his "five seconds" comment.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 03, 2012 09:33 PM (6JMZR)
Until tonight, my wife was an undecided voter. She is now confirmed for Romney.
And one more: her mother, a life-long, thoroughly brainwashed Dem voter, is voting Romney as well (I beat sense into her a while back). Completely anecdotal stuff, but who knows. I know I"m feeling more optimistic after tonight.
Posted by: bing_crosby at October 03, 2012 09:34 PM (qNBrn)
Wah! Romney treated our Affirmative Action President like an equal, that's racist!!!
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:34 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: liontooth at October 03, 2012 09:35 PM (xk0Xg)
This wasn't Kerry trouncing Bush. This was Reagan trouncing Carter + Carter trouncing Ford + Kennedy trouncing Nixon.
Posted by: Steven at October 03, 2012 09:35 PM (4z/Oq)
Posted by: The Political Hat at October 03, 2012 09:36 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: major major major major at October 03, 2012 09:36 PM (utCAk)
As for the Libs, they vote for Obama because they deny what is real. Obama's sole action during the debate could have been throwing up the hot dogs he had for breakfast, and the Libs would still declare him eloquent and focused. They'll never change because they can't.
Go Mitt. Caution: this is no time to rest, though. Keep fighting.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 03, 2012 09:36 PM (i0App)
Biden: watermelon.
Posted by: CPT. Charles at October 04, 2012 01:35 AM (1GunI)
Racist.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 03, 2012 09:36 PM (6JMZR)
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Running against the First Black President is racist.
Posted by: MFM at October 03, 2012 09:36 PM (6LvlL)
Ryan: Gallagher.
Biden: watermelon.
or....
Ryan: Freddie Kruger
Biden: stoned girl who trips when she runs
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:36 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: The Chap with the App at October 03, 2012 09:37 PM (fscec)
Posted by: chris at October 03, 2012 09:37 PM (LWiW8)
There is nothing they can do. The dogs don't like the food.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 03, 2012 09:37 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: Christmasghost at October 03, 2012 09:37 PM (r4GuR)
Posted by: EmilyM. at October 03, 2012 09:37 PM (9jvEB)
Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2012 09:37 PM (FcR7P)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM
I might actually have a boner that lasts longer than 4 hours w/o medication
Posted by: Weirddave at October 03, 2012 09:39 PM (aH+zP)
In Detroit, we had a pollster on who said that Detroit still favors Obama by a wide margin. So I'm guessing they were talking to happily unemployed folks of a certain color who are on the dole/ welfare/ other forms of assistance who are waiting for their Obama phone and their next Obamastash payment. How about that for non-random?
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:39 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: EmilyM. at October 03, 2012 09:40 PM (9jvEB)
Posted by: Obama Phone Lady at October 03, 2012 09:40 PM (fO6vp)
Posted by: Romney's Garbage Man at October 03, 2012 09:40 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 09:40 PM (pnHKr)
The CNN poll seems ridiculous. It's all Southerners, fifty years or older who went to college. Could you get less random?
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People who go to college generally break for the Democrat, guy.
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 09:42 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: John Frankenstein Kerry at October 03, 2012 09:42 PM (RLZvP)
Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 09:42 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Obama Phone Lady at October 04, 2012 01:40 AM (fO6vp)
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Spit take achieved
Posted by: Steven at October 03, 2012 09:43 PM (4z/Oq)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 03, 2012 09:43 PM (6JMZR)
word clouds:
Mr. Romney's focus... People, Get, Going, Government, Plan
President Obama's focus... Governor Romney, Got, Going, Medicare, Insurance; and 'Make, People, Think'
best comment there:
Romney is definitely the better debater than Obama. After tonight's performance, I would go as far to say that Romney is the master-debater. Obama just sat there with his dick in his hand.
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:44 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: Up with people! A man. at October 03, 2012 09:44 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: Hello, it's just me Donna at October 03, 2012 09:44 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2012 09:45 PM (FcR7P)
but the group was so pro-romney, it's hard to belive that half the group wasn't plants. Maybe 3 but not half. So, wow, he did good.
Posted by: joeindc44 finds obama's debate prep to be vile, particularly vile at October 03, 2012 09:45 PM (Z3ckx)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows that poor people don't know how to show up for work at October 03, 2012 09:45 PM (AZGON)
Still, what is the point of polling random members of a tiny group? I know: I'm anti-science.
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Because they want something to do. And because they want to be able to definitively say "This guy won."
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 09:46 PM (pnHKr)
BTW, the 'undecideds' who voted for BHO only made a 'mistake' in retrospect. McCain ran the worst campaign, at any level, that anyone in my very politically-oriented family I've ever seen, aside from Gary Hart-level blunders.
I voted for McCain, but let's not pretend he did ANYTHING right other than be Not Obama.
Going to be ironic when Willard wins as Not Obama....
Posted by: Naj at October 03, 2012 09:46 PM (tAHf5)
http://tinyurl.com/9ecmmd9
Posted by: Methos at October 03, 2012 09:47 PM (6LvlL)
Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 03, 2012 09:47 PM (cyGNg)
Posted by: and irresolute at October 03, 2012 09:47 PM (JvklE)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows that poor people don't know how to show up for work at October 03, 2012 09:47 PM (AZGON)
But that doesn't mean I still don't think of that creepy rat movie every time I hear the name....
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:47 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: killface at October 03, 2012 09:49 PM (R8kIj)
Posted by: A Law Prof's Lady Parts at October 03, 2012 09:49 PM (ahMkG)
Posted by: Tommy V at October 03, 2012 09:49 PM (ZYlKz)
Obama managed a brisk 172 words per minute in his 42:50, whileRomney managed a speed-freak-ish 217 words per minute in his 38:32
/kids, that's what happens when you do choom. You can't speak fast, and the next thing you know, some rich white dude is pwning you.
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:50 PM (z63Tr)
In the mean while, I shall practice saying "President Romney."
Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2012 09:50 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 03, 2012 09:50 PM (feFL6)
Hopefully Ryan and Romney know that in the next two debates they'll be debating not only their opponents but also the moderators.
This was one of those huge wins though, it really shifted the momentum to our side
Posted by: kbdabear at October 03, 2012 09:51 PM (wwsoB)
easy:
1. War
2. Martial law
3. Elections... postponed.
They've been telling us they're going to do that since the days of GWB.
/and if you don't believe me, ask George Noory at Coast to Coast am!
Posted by: shibumi at October 03, 2012 09:51 PM (z63Tr)
BTW - went to the Intrade link and didn't realize SCoaMF was up to 80% a few days ago. And if it was down 11% I didn't see it. Looks like a few percent. The comments are full of crazed koolaid drinkers, being crazy though.
e.g.
bsr wrote on Oct 04, 2012 05:17:30 #
In reply to Carnage1986's comment on Oct 04, 2012 04:39:23 who wrote: I'm trying to decide whether I should cash out of Romney ...
I've found the exact same thing!! 
Cash out man. Follow your gut. You can always jump back in anytime.
Posted by: Up with people! A man. at October 03, 2012 09:51 PM (kzFo5)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 03, 2012 09:53 PM (RLZvP)
Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2012 09:55 PM (FcR7P)
She voted for Obama last time? I had no idea.
Posted by: Steven at October 03, 2012 09:56 PM (4z/Oq)
Posted by: d at October 03, 2012 09:56 PM (np9Ae)
I have a feeling Althouse will be leaning more toward Mitt now. I don't think she's exactly married to voting for Obama again; I think she's the sort who watches to try to figure out who's winning, and then votes for him so she can be on the winning side. See, her vote is precious, and she doesn't want to "waste" it on a "loser". That's my theory on her.
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That's an interesting theory.
Here's mine. She sucks.
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 09:57 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows that poor people don't know how to show up for work at October 03, 2012 09:57 PM (AZGON)
I have a feeling Althouse will be leaning more toward Mitt now. I don't think she's exactly married to voting for Obama again
She voted for Obama last time? I had no idea.
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See my above, well-postulated theory one why she did that.
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 09:57 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: General George Armstrong Custer at October 03, 2012 09:59 PM (5hoCT)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 03, 2012 09:59 PM (RLZvP)
Posted by: grumpy momma bear at October 03, 2012 10:02 PM (bTQtI)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 03, 2012 10:02 PM (JRU+g)
Posted by: Zombie Typical White Woman Grandmother at October 03, 2012 10:04 PM (wIgpo)
Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2012 10:04 PM (FcR7P)
There is one candidate for President who has NEVER advocated government-run healthcare #GaryJohnsonforPresident
Too bad Romney can't debate him.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 03, 2012 10:04 PM (piMMO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwPovyR9HY
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 03, 2012 10:06 PM (RLZvP)
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 03, 2012 10:06 PM (VMtg+)
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It was in Denver for God's sake! Denver! Of course it was more Republican.
Right?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 03, 2012 10:07 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: walter sobchak at October 03, 2012 10:08 PM (1IuWX)
Posted by: derit at October 03, 2012 10:08 PM (I88Jc)
Why would Romney or Obama debate Gary Johnson? There's someone running for president on the Green and Communist Party USA ticket, too why would anyone debate them? If they get 1% of the vote it would surprise people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 03, 2012 10:08 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Media Headline #346 For Tomorrow at October 03, 2012 10:08 PM (5hoCT)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows that poor people don't know how to show up for work at October 03, 2012 10:09 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 03, 2012 10:09 PM (rzSn3)
Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2012 10:10 PM (FcR7P)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwezyOQLCOs
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 03, 2012 10:10 PM (RLZvP)
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"Why would he?" is a different question than "how entertaining would it be?".
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 03, 2012 10:11 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 03, 2012 10:11 PM (rzSn3)
Reliable Source: Romney Given questions ahead of time!
Huffington Post Now!
This is huge! Kiss any bump goodbye Romney!
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:12 PM (ovpNn)
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He cut a little girl?! While she was in line for ice cream?!
OMG!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 03, 2012 10:12 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: rfichoke at October 03, 2012 10:13 PM (SPxVS)
Scholars have basically shown that the 1st debate is the one that moves people the most, particularly undecided voters.
Bush was way better than Kerry in debates 2-3, but people remembered debate 1, and that was the difference between a 7 point victory and a 2 point victory.
The only things that ever moved people in 2nd or 3rd debates were the following two examples:
1) "There is not Soviet domination of Eastern Europe under a Ford Administration"
Even with that blunder, Ford came back from down 25% in July and damn near won it - if the election was a week later, we would've had a Bush/Gore split.
2) "I will not make age an issue in this campaign. I will not exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."
No one, EVER, will be as good as Reagan in that regard.
TFG is fucked
Posted by: The Q at October 03, 2012 10:14 PM (B/yDO)
That woman's a rock; I tell you! A rock! She'll never bail (in public).
Posted by: derit at October 03, 2012 10:15 PM (I88Jc)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 03, 2012 10:15 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: Dave S. at October 03, 2012 10:16 PM (WdBFV)
'He cut a little girl?! While she was in line for ice cream?!
OMG!'
Sad, but true. After cutting her, he cut in front of her.
Posted by: Chrissy Non-Tingle Mathews at October 03, 2012 10:16 PM (5hoCT)
Posted by: Barry Obama at October 03, 2012 10:16 PM (FcR7P)
Without a teleprompter and with an audience of the entirety of the American people instead of just his race-baiting partisans (and the Media, but I repeat myself), he had nowhere to go.
Posted by: csmats at October 03, 2012 10:17 PM (pOSGo)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 03, 2012 10:18 PM (RLZvP)
Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 04, 2012 01:47 AM (cyGNg)
We'll see a guy off himself live on MSNBC instead of Fox.
Posted by: Country Singer (likes teh ginger ladies) at October 03, 2012 10:18 PM (+r4NB)
I think Even though Lehrer tried to rub one out for obama and carry his water multiple times before he finally gave up half way through and said fuck it, if you are this much of a scoamf and cant even carry your own water for 2 minutes, fuck you....the fact that the candidates were allowed to go back and forth and get into details on the details was exceptional political theater.
This was by far the most riveting debate i have watched in years.
1 bazillion times better than that 30 second crap we have been fed recently: "this question is from a youtube viewer: Mr President, my dick is small, if you get a second term will you promise to make the swedish penis pump covered under Obamacare?"
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:18 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 03, 2012 10:19 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 03, 2012 10:19 PM (RLZvP)
Romney:
Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2012 02:08 AM (m9BLI)
FIFY
Posted by: Country Singer (likes teh ginger ladies) at October 03, 2012 10:20 PM (+r4NB)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 03, 2012 10:21 PM (feFL6)
As I say, I expect a right Royal suck-up job to Romney from the MSM from now on, if it looks like he's got the momentum.
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 03, 2012 10:21 PM (8Spmv)
Here's something that may have been mentioned already, or maybe not. Obama didn't mention 47% once. I think yesterday's Drudge/ Daily Caller leak was a great bit of psyc ops. If I had to guess, I'd think Obama was ready to go to that well at least a few times, maybe regularly. He didn't do it once.
Do you think he didn't because he thought, just maybe, Romney was ready and willing to talk about some of Obama's own past divisive language? I do. I think he took a big play out of Obama's playbook the day before.
Posted by: Dave S. at October 04, 2012 02:16 AM (WdBFV)
You know you might be onto somethng. Yesterday we were all thinking what a fucking nothingburger hannity you suck.
But that red flag warning of Obamas class warfare crap on display may have made them cautious....if thats what happened drudge is a fucking brilliant bastard.
As to watching it again, thats a great idea. gonna go smoke, then sit down to finish my work and watch it rerun on cspan.
Romney, impressed the fuck out of me tonight...and i never cared for him much. But damn it, all those misgivings about he isnt the best candidate we have to put up against obama on that stage. He proved us wrong tonight, He proved he is.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:22 PM (ovpNn)
Totally as an aside, I just realized that Debbie Watereddown Shits hasn't been seen too much lately. Someone musta yanked hard on her leash.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 03, 2012 10:23 PM (ccXZP)
Troops are silently moving into position as we speak, while Mitt stands exposed, looking around, thinking that he has just taken the field of battle.
Except this was a only a skirmish.
The real battle hasn't even started yet, and Mitt doesn't even realize it.
He will soon."
/facepalm
Posted by: MarcusBrody at October 03, 2012 10:23 PM (jWTKL)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows that poor people don't know how to show up for work at October 03, 2012 10:23 PM (AZGON)
Not Drudge, the guys running the Romney campaign. Those guys flat out scare me.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 03, 2012 10:24 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 04, 2012 02:19 AM (yJYwC)
You do realize there were no actual questions tonight?
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:24 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 10:25 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 04, 2012 02:19 AM (RLZvP)
I hope they do more debates in that format, but i am certain they wont because it was devestating to the one. Right now the memo is beiing forwarded...the dont fucking do that again memo to the debate committee.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:26 PM (ovpNn)
You're dreaming. They already pushed all their chips in for Obama. They don't believe that their brand can be any more damaged than it already is (they're wrong, BTW), and they will be calling Romney a polygamist child-fucker before November comes around.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 03, 2012 10:26 PM (QxGmu)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 03, 2012 10:27 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 03, 2012 10:27 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 10:28 PM (X3lox)
Not Drudge, the guys running the Romney campaign. Those guys flat out scare me.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 04, 2012 02:24 AM (r4wIV)
I am not sold on the Romney campaign yet.
I think Romney is definately better than his campaign team has shown so far.
I will give them the benefit of the doubt though for 4 more weeks....lets see if they know how to play cut-your-motherfucking-throat-to-win-ball
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:28 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: SCOAMF at October 03, 2012 10:28 PM (fz48n)
And how many people here (like me) decided on Vote McCain 2008 - Impeach McCain 2009?
We're in a much difference atmosphere today
Posted by: The Q at October 03, 2012 10:29 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Vladimir Douchevsky at October 03, 2012 10:29 PM (CLZub)
Posted by: cm9000 at October 03, 2012 10:30 PM (vfB2N)
They're more desperate than I'd hoped!
I agree, the format worked big time for Romney. Let's see what this Town Hall thing works. Undoubtedly there will be a few Obama shills planted in the crowd.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 03, 2012 10:31 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: Legacy Media at October 03, 2012 10:31 PM (r4wIV)
I dunno, the fact that they're not even pretending to spin for Obama gives one hope.
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 04, 2012 02:30 AM (8Spmv)
Its the ObamacocksuckingMedia's first experience with Political Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Let them atleast get over the shellshock that their dear leader, the smartest most eloquent man on the planet turned out to be a Chancey Gardner.
They will regroup within 24 hours. as someone earlier said, they got nothing to gain since they blew their credibility on this fuckshit, they are all in no matter what.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:33 PM (ovpNn)
Assuming some grand crisis doesn't force Obama to reluctantly decline to be part of any further debates in order to do the hard work of being president... we'll be lucky if there is anyone in the crowd with a question that isn't an Obama shill.
They'll probably trot out the down's syndrome woman with a carefully memorized phonetically pronounced question.
Posted by: Legacy Media at October 03, 2012 10:33 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 03, 2012 10:34 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Vladimir Douchevsky at October 03, 2012 10:34 PM (CLZub)
He did lose control, but that gave us what the American people have been craving for a half century - two candidates going after each other, rather than adhering to the media's preferred agenda.
Romney seemed to take notes from my boy Newt in challenging moderation.
The closer a debate turns into an actual contest between two candidates, the better off the public is.
Posted by: The Q at October 03, 2012 10:35 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Romneylosesbig at October 03, 2012 10:35 PM (/YJYi)
I'd have thought those diehard conservatives Greg and Al would be loving tonight's effort
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 03, 2012 10:35 PM (8Spmv)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 03, 2012 10:36 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 10:37 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: Legacy Media at October 04, 2012 02:33 AM (r4wIV)
And it will have to do with free contraception for her or gay marriage to her lesbian girlfriend.
might as well get two or three birds with one stone.
Just hope Obama doesnt make a retard joke afterwards.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:37 PM (ovpNn)
So the story for tomorrow appears to be:
Mitt Wins by Cheating
Expect plenty of variations on this theme.
"That debate? You didn't win that."
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 03, 2012 10:38 PM (QxGmu)
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 10:38 PM (pnHKr)
"144 The democraticunderground.com forums are particularly delusional and embarassing tonight:"
Be sure to check out Daily Kos and the "A Complete Disaster For Romney" talking points.
More of the same: Romney lied all night and the chickens will come home to roost when the fact-checkers let him have it. Obama let Romney spew all his lies unchecked so he can pounce on them some other time. Romney was a jerk and didn't come off likeable, while Obama stayed calm and didn't give whitey the satisfaction of an "angry black man" stereotype.
To their credit, there are a few posters who are cringing at the pathetic spin attempts.
Posted by: Dave at October 03, 2012 10:38 PM (GpWMQ)
Posted by: buzzion at October 03, 2012 10:38 PM (4Z751)
Bush won the first time around because Lehrer asked the same questions as he did now, and let the candidates reveal themselves to the American public. Gore oversighed and showed what a douchebag he was.
By and large, the American people have been well-served by the debates and chose not only the more charismatic candidate but the candidate who was best for the country at the time. And let's be honest: if McCain won in 2008, we'd be looking at a 60-40 Hillary win this year.
When Romney wins 300+ electoral votes, we will once again trust in the wisdom of the American people that wisely rejected Al Gore and John Kerry.
Posted by: The Q at October 03, 2012 10:39 PM (B/yDO)
Even their hearts aren't in it.
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 03, 2012 10:39 PM (8Spmv)
I'd have thought those diehard conservatives Greg and Al would be loving tonight's effort
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 04, 2012 02:35 AM (8Spmv)
I am definitely surprised that there are non around too. Maybe they are all at the emergency mandatory suicide hotline picnic and therapy session that was called for after the debate ended.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:39 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Jon at October 03, 2012 10:39 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: derit at October 03, 2012 10:40 PM (I88Jc)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 03, 2012 10:40 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: cm9000 at October 03, 2012 10:41 PM (vfB2N)
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 10:41 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at October 03, 2012 10:41 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: lolobama at October 03, 2012 10:42 PM (iaUMX)
Posted by: Kevin In ABQ at October 03, 2012 10:42 PM (q1qCt)
Posted by: RomneyLosesBig at October 03, 2012 10:42 PM (ovpNn)
The trolls have their talking points. It's just that even they know how lame they are.
Seems to be a variation of one of the following:
"I didn't see it so I can't possibly comment"
"Who cares, debates mean nothing"
"Polls, polls polls....check out this D+20 poll....."
"It's really the 2nd and 3rd debates that count!"
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 03, 2012 10:42 PM (8Spmv)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 03, 2012 10:43 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 03, 2012 10:43 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: lolobama at October 03, 2012 10:45 PM (iaUMX)
And our own Mary whatshername from bumblefuck, VT wanted to put a Romney/Ryan sticker in her yard.
The trolls are on the run
Posted by: The Q at October 03, 2012 10:45 PM (B/yDO)
Posted by: King Putt at October 03, 2012 10:45 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 03, 2012 10:49 PM (yJYwC)
Four key points from the debate: http://huff.to/PyDPco
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 03, 2012 10:52 PM (piMMO)
I didn't actually watch the debate last night....but a quick review of the internet informs me that apparently, according to some, that the big news starting first thing tomorrow, which is absolutely going to destroy Romney is....."Big Bird".
I can only take that to mean that Obama somehow managed to step on the dick he doesn't have.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 03, 2012 10:53 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 03, 2012 10:54 PM (i0App)
Posted by: Drew in MO at October 03, 2012 10:56 PM (ZgvAc)
I can only take that to mean that Obama somehow managed to step on the dick he doesn't have.
****
The full debate reairs on CNN in 4 minutes. Watch it!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 03, 2012 10:57 PM (piMMO)
My guess is this "undecided" shtick is in large part a performance, a long-drawn-out strip tease performance.
Tonight's debate was very inconvenient for her, because it makes it harder (and more ridiculous) to maintain her "genuinely undecided" pose.
But who knows. There's some deep-seated issues she has about race that make her unusually nutty on the topic.
Posted by: lael at October 03, 2012 10:59 PM (QSB5R)
After watching the debate, my question is: was Obama even there? He was so bloodless, so lackluster, so dispassionate. The only time he seemed interested was when he had to talk about Obamacare (which Romney skillfully rebutted). Obama was truly AWFUL. It was like Obama just sent in the empty chair to debate for him.
Mitt was pretty wonderful himself, but he came off even greater because O couldn't refute Mitt's facts and he looked like he could barely bother himself to even muster up a lie. And whenever he was caught in one, Mitt nailed him.
I loved Mitt's "zingers" (they were really more like one-liners) ; they worked. One of my faves was when he said he will cut funding for PBS even tho he "likes Big Bird". That one really worked, imo, b/c it conjured up a visual. People remember things when more than one of their senses are engaged. The humor also makes it memorable.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 03, 2012 11:00 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: derit at October 03, 2012 11:02 PM (I88Jc)
Posted by: Rich at October 03, 2012 11:07 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: MontyWa at October 03, 2012 11:10 PM (onTvA)
Posted by: Bill at October 03, 2012 11:10 PM (tOXZ7)
I'm watching it now.
205:
Ann Althouse had some rather weird rant up earlier on Instapundit about how the five year old Obama video, and the Obama phone lady somehow makes me 'ugly'. Obama, and his supporters can trot out accusations of racism each and every day...no one, no word, no action is safe. 'Golf' is racist, 'work' is racist, and Althouse's position on all this seems to be that we should all meekly cower in fear of that accusation.
As Joe Biden would say, "In a word, 'fuck that noise'. And welcome to West Carolina!".
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 03, 2012 11:12 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: Kevin In ABQ at October 03, 2012 11:12 PM (q1qCt)
I read on Fox's crawl that Mitt is planning major policy speeches in the next 5 weeks; I think that was really smart of him to wait til now: NOW people are paying attention, and after tonight where Mitt grabbed them by the collar and got their attention, it's the perfect time.
As for these flashpolls showing how Romney just killed tonight, I hope, hope, hope tonight had really high ratings! Do we know yet what the ratings were? Man, I hope everyone was watching. I want to shout, "That's MY candidate up there! Told you 'undecideds' so!"
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 03, 2012 11:13 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: MontyWa at October 03, 2012 11:14 PM (onTvA)
An Obama black bag crew is burying the dead hookers under Romney's porch right now.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 03, 2012 11:16 PM (VMtg+)
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Reckless speculation: Bibi told him they couldn't wait until after the election.
Posted by: Methos at October 03, 2012 11:16 PM (6LvlL)
Biden will get a teleprompter too...it'll be showing cartoons.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 03, 2012 11:17 PM (VMtg+)
Posted by: Zach John Galt at October 03, 2012 11:18 PM (6uhVW)
She's often a very sharp critic of Obama, Dems, leftwing bullshit-- sometimes IMHO one of the best in the blogosphere. She has some really great commenters, and an interesting mix of topics (beyond politics). But this "ugly" silliness lately has really "repelled" me.
Posted by: lael at October 03, 2012 11:20 PM (QSB5R)
Posted by: Davidlind at October 03, 2012 11:20 PM (J9mCu)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 11:22 PM (X3lox)
Day 29 - I'm going to need a bigger sock...
Posted by: MoJoTee at October 03, 2012 11:28 PM (hxRR8)
Posted by: Peter North at October 03, 2012 11:29 PM (hxRR8)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2012 03:22 AM (X3lox)
I expected him to be at least his arrogant self; he wasn't even that. I expected him to lie more or at least lie with passion. I thought we'd get an "I won" out of him or.... *something*. His ego usually makes him care about what's said about him, but he didn't even care about that tonight. It was almost eery.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 03, 2012 11:30 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: The drizzle at October 03, 2012 11:30 PM (ysCLj)
Romney was just pummeling a dead body by the end.
Obama's descriptors from the focus groups this debate tell it all: "Weak" "Effete" "Wandering" "Meandering"
These words are devastating when we get to a Foreign Policy debate.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 03, 2012 11:32 PM (Wa+Fw)
Posted by: DAve at October 03, 2012 11:33 PM (zK0XC)
Xanax will do that. Seriously, I think someone pumped him with Xanax to keep him from saying something that would lose the election on the spot.
I don't think Obama actually cares about winning or losing at this point, he's gonna get paid and retire phat no matter what. Its all the other Remoras in his administration and campaign that need him to win, or they're gonna be unemployed with slim job prospects.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 03, 2012 11:35 PM (VMtg+)
Ace,
Serious Question:
How will the Mainstream Media continue to defend the president's policies now that it has been demonstrated in their faces that even the president can't defend his own positions?
Answer:
They won't.
Something went terribly wrong in the myopic world of the Mainstream Media tonight. But it will take a few days for it settle into their collective psyche.
You see, it's been understood since before he was elected president that Barrack Obama is a genius politician and orator. Quick on his feet! Nimble in his thinking! Always six or seven moves ahead in a three dimensional game of chess while everyone else is playing checkers! A once in a lifetime visionary who will lead us on the True Path to healing the nation's wounds and setting it on a course of transcendental flourishing.
Tonight all those myths were exposed as utter sham. They were blown to bits right in front of everybody's eyes. But his defacto-cheerleaders in the press haven't fully realized it yet. Some of them may never be able to consciously admit to themselves what happened. But on a subconscious/instinctive level, it will begin to sink in. Their mental paradigms are shifting even as they sleep.
How could this have happened? How could a safer than milk square like Romney have obliterated the Master at his own game?
They won't be able to convince themselves that Obama didn't have time to adequately prepare for the debate. - What, he couldn't take time off from his busy schedule of non-stop campaign fund raising?
Very soon the press will begin to suspect the truth. Either the president's policies have failed as disastrously as Romney claims, or president Obama is actually just a hyped-up teleprompter reader. - Or a sad combination of both.
They will not be able to explain away his dreadful performance or conclude that Romney's masterful performance was just coincidental series of lucky breaks.
As the reality continues to sink in on the Mainstream Media that the president outright sucks at explaining the efficacy of his policies and the suck-ass results those policies have produced over the past four years: They will instinctively stop trying to prop up the president and his failed policies.
They are going to begin to smell the stink of a loser. And they are going to instinctively back away.
The reaction at MSNBC tonight was the most revealing. Some of them are actually outraged at president Obama. Chris Mathews is certain that Obama had many cakewalk slam-dunk arguments to make, and he is utterly befuddled as to why Obama failed to even try! And this makes my point. When the sycophants at MSNBC (who are nakedly in the tank for Obama) are this vocal about their dismay at repeatedly seeing their guy get his ass stomped: it is only a matter of time before they realize their guy and his policies are obvious losers. The likes of Mathews, Maddow, and Schultz will never fully abandon the president. But the more centrist-leftist journalists which tend to characterize the Mainstream Media will not want to be associated with carrying water for a loser and his failed policies.
And seeing that the president doesn't even know how to defend these policies, they'll realize that they don't either.
Posted by: _Dave_ at October 03, 2012 11:35 PM (/nxRb)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 03, 2012 11:36 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 03, 2012 11:37 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: icemike at October 03, 2012 11:39 PM (Mj4Zt)
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 04, 2012 03:35 AM (VMtg+)
You mean they didn't want another "You didn't build that!" ? I haven't thought O really cares since the summer because he seemed to just be coasting and complaining about the work, but he does love barfing things up. He loves destroying America; I'd think he'd want to win just keep that up.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 03, 2012 11:39 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 03, 2012 11:40 PM (X3lox)
Presenting in front of an interacting audience and fielding questions is something business executives do all the time. Romney will feel right at home in that format.
The "audience" will be laced with Dem shills as it has always been in the past, but Romney already knows that.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 03, 2012 11:41 PM (VMtg+)
Even destroying a country is real work. Obama hates real work. Insider leaking already suggests he doesn't actually like the responsibilities of being president. What he like is the attention, perks and trappings of being president.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 03, 2012 11:44 PM (VMtg+)
I would consider it Obama's most likely scenario to not suck in as he's not confrontational with Romney. You're talking to assholes in the audience and can feel their pain. The other downside is after tonight's epic ass-raping, don't be surprised to see more people tune in to see what they missed, so Obama has some rebound potential.
It all comes down to how filling that narcissistic fuck's ego is willing to admit defeat and actually train at the level.
The last debate is the FP one which is moderated by Bob Schiefer which is actually not bad for us. Unfortunately, FP will likely be the least watched and least cared about.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 03, 2012 11:45 PM (Wa+Fw)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 03, 2012 11:48 PM (Wa+Fw)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at October 03, 2012 11:49 PM (jts1f)
She's BACK and in the rain: http://tinyurl.com/9ovowkp
Posted by: DAve at October 04, 2012 03:33 AM (zK0XC)
Happy and healthy women are always sexy.
Posted by: rd for President Romney 2013 at October 03, 2012 11:49 PM (9sUlj)
Posted by: DAve at October 03, 2012 11:52 PM (zK0XC)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 04, 2012 03:45 AM (Wa+Fw)
Oh, shoot, I was hoping fp was next b/c I truly can't wait to see Libya brought up.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 03, 2012 11:56 PM (KL49F)
Many months ago I commented that after seeing Romney go after his fellow Republican contenders with a meat cleaver that there was no doubt in my mind that he would do the same to Obama. So the outcome of tonight's debate did not surprise me all that much.
Now here is what we hope for: That Obama will feel real pressure to win at least one out of the three debates. That he just can't allow Romney to skunk him 3-0. If he and his campaign team conclude that now he has to be aggressive against Romney in either of the two remaining debates, then tonight's ass stomping will end up looking like a game of patty-cake.
There's a very good reason why Obama only made a few half-hearted attempts to take on Romney tonight. Because on the substance, he loses every single time. If Obama gears himself into a do-or-die aggressive debate posture, he'll be walking right into a buzz saw.
So here's to hoping that Obama really tries to raise his game in one or both of the two remaining debates. Unfortunately, I just don't think he has it in him. Tonight was truly demoralizing for him. And I bet he already knows he can't beat Romney in a debate - not even the "Town Hall" debate.
But Obama has a big problem now. Every Democrat in the country is going to want to see him get up and fight back. They're going to demand it of him. And that raises expectations on him - especially for the "Town Hall" debate that everyone will expect should be right in his wheel house because it will be about connecting with ordinary people.
We can only hope Obama gives into the temptation to prove that he can beat Romney in a debate.
Obama's best bet really, is to just muddle through the debates and then hope that his multi-million TV-ad campaign saves him.
Posted by: _Dave_ at October 03, 2012 11:57 PM (/nxRb)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 04, 2012 03:45 AM (Wa+Fw)
Oh, shoot, I was hoping fp was next b/c I truly can't wait to see Libya brought up.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 04, 2012 03:56 AM (KL49F)
More and more is coming out about Libya and Obama's failures. Also Afghanistan, Greece, Spain, Japan, and China have things happening. It may take time for these to seep into many people's brains. The FP debate is probably the most important and will seal the deal for those of us who want an adult running the WH.
Posted by: rd for President Romney 2013 at October 04, 2012 12:03 AM (9sUlj)
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As a strategic mindset that's good, but it's not necessarily true. Aslan's Girl is wondering why he was so detached tonight and I worry it's because he can't affect the outcome from here. At this point I don't believe it's a matter of their polls saying the election is in the bag. Maybe he knows he's a lost cause either due to intel showing his chickens coming home to roost or a preview of economic numbers. If he puts a negative job 'growth' number on the board Friday, I think he might just get worse.
Posted by: Methos at October 04, 2012 12:04 AM (6LvlL)
Posted by: icemike at October 04, 2012 12:08 AM (Mj4Zt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 04, 2012 12:12 AM (VMtg+)
Posted by: DC in Towson at October 04, 2012 12:33 AM (CJwi5)
If they continue with the debates they know it will be a bloodbath of epic proportions.
If they try to dodge the debates it will be too obvious an admission of inferiority.
Unless they are too busy with Great Matters of National Security.
Here comes the October Surprise.
Posted by: davidt at October 04, 2012 12:37 AM (jrKGM)
Posted by: Steven at October 04, 2012 12:53 AM (Ipxcq)
Posted by: buzzion at October 04, 2012 12:54 AM (4Z751)
I don't go there any more.....it's too depressing.
Posted by: cthulhu at October 04, 2012 12:57 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2012 01:16 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Jean at October 04, 2012 01:16 AM (74T7W)
Ace,
Serious Question:
How will the Mainstream Media continue to defend the president's policies now that it has been demonstrated in their faces that even the president can't defend his own positions?
Answer:
They won't.
Something went terribly wrong in the myopic world of the Mainstream Media tonight. But it will take a few days for it settle into their collective psyche.
You see, it's been understood since before he was elected president that Barrack Obama is a genius politician and orator. Quick on his feet! Nimble in his thinking! Always six or seven moves ahead in a three dimensional game of chess while everyone else is playing checkers! A once in a lifetime visionary who will lead us on the True Path to healing the nation's wounds and setting it on a course of transcendental flourishing.
Tonight all those myths were exposed as utter sham. They were blown to bits right in front of everybody's eyes. But his defacto-cheerleaders in the press haven't fully realized it yet. Some of them may never be able to consciously admit to themselves what happened. But on a subconscious/instinctive level, it will begin to sink in. Their mental paradigms are shifting even as they sleep.
How could this have happened? How could a safer than milk square like Romney have obliterated the Master at his own game?
They won't be able to convince themselves that Obama didn't have time to adequately prepare for the debate. - What, he couldn't take time off from his busy schedule of non-stop campaign fund raising?
Very soon the press will begin to suspect the truth. Either the president's policies have failed as disastrously as Romney claims, or president Obama is actually just a hyped-up teleprompter reader. - Or a sad combination of both.
They will not be able to explain away his dreadful performance or conclude that Romney's masterful performance was just coincidental series of lucky breaks.
As the reality continues to sink in on the Mainstream Media that the president outright sucks at explaining the efficacy of his policies and the suck-ass results those policies have produced over the past four years: They will instinctively stop trying to prop up the president and his failed policies.
They are going to begin to smell the stink of a loser. And they are going to instinctively back away.
The reaction at MSNBC tonight was the most revealing. Some of them are actually outraged at president Obama. Chris Mathews is certain that Obama had many cakewalk slam-dunk arguments to make, and he is utterly befuddled as to why Obama failed to even try! And this makes my point. When the sycophants at MSNBC (who are nakedly in the tank for Obama) are this vocal about their dismay at repeatedly seeing their guy get his ass stomped: it is only a matter of time before they realize their guy and his policies are obvious losers. The likes of Mathews, Maddow, and Schultz will never fully abandon the president. But the more centrist-leftist journalists which tend to characterize the Mainstream Media will not want to be associated with carrying water for a loser and his failed policies.
And seeing that the president doesn't even know how to defend these policies, they'll realize that they don't either.
Posted by: _Dave_ at October 04, 2012 03:35 AM (/nxRb)
WTF? This needs to be requoted. Cause its just that damn good.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 04, 2012 01:28 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: connielu at October 04, 2012 01:32 AM (Zc+kn)
Many months ago I commented that after seeing Romney go after his fellow Republican contenders with a meat cleaver that there was no doubt in my mind that he would do the same to Obama. So the outcome of tonight's debate did not surprise me all that much.
Now here is what we hope for: That Obama will feel real pressure to win at least one out of the three debates. That he just can't allow Romney to skunk him 3-0. If he and his campaign team conclude that now he has to be aggressive against Romney in either of the two remaining debates, then tonight's ass stomping will end up looking like a game of patty-cake.
There's a very good reason why Obama only made a few half-hearted attempts to take on Romney tonight. Because on the substance, he loses every single time. If Obama gears himself into a do-or-die aggressive debate posture, he'll be walking right into a buzz saw.
So here's to hoping that Obama really tries to raise his game in one or both of the two remaining debates. Unfortunately, I just don't think he has it in him. Tonight was truly demoralizing for him. And I bet he already knows he can't beat Romney in a debate - not even the "Town Hall" debate.
But Obama has a big problem now. Every Democrat in the country is going to want to see him get up and fight back. They're going to demand it of him. And that raises expectations on him - especially for the "Town Hall" debate that everyone will expect should be right in his wheel house because it will be about connecting with ordinary people.
We can only hope Obama gives into the temptation to prove that he can beat Romney in a debate.
Obama's best bet really, is to just muddle through the debates and then hope that his multi-million TV-ad campaign saves him.
Posted by: _Dave_ at October 04, 2012 03:57 AM (/nxRb)
I have to agree with a lot of what you are saying. The Romney performance boxes Obama into a very bad corner.
Yes there is no place for his performance to go but up, but the koolaid drinking dems are going to want blood now.
If obama goes there he knows Romney will kick his ass even harder.
If obama doesnt go there it will be percieved as another loss.
THe pressure is going ot be on them big time after next week.
Lets be onest nobody expects Ryan to lose to biden so its going to be 2-0 team RR.
How does obama go up against the actual smartest man in the room at the next debate?
They need an october surpise desperately now.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright at October 04, 2012 01:40 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at October 04, 2012 01:48 AM (FeFBS)
Not Drudge, the guys running the Romney campaign. Those guys flat out scare me. Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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The other -- even more effective mind-fuck, which was 100% from the Romney campaign & which it seems a lot of people missed -- was Ann Romney telling CNN in that interview that aired this AM (but was on website last night) was that the first thing Mitt does to prepare for a debate is when he walks out he to the podium & writes the word "Dad" on his note paper to remind himself of his wonderful relationship with his father, that his dad is there with him at the debates and to answer everything in a way that will honor his dad & make his dad proud. While I have no doubt that is a 100% true story, the reason to make it public is because that reminder that Mitt had a great father who love him -- more than anything else -- gets under the SCoaMF's skin -- the guy who is playing out his daddy issues on the public stage and making the rest of us suffer because of them. Pure genius.
Also, the new Obot meme I've seen floating around is that Obama did badly on purpose was a wake up call to snap everyone out of their "complacency."
Yeah -- good luck with that one.
Posted by: angienc at October 04, 2012 01:55 AM (w3JGl)
Posted by: meep at October 04, 2012 01:56 AM (PJZaa)
"The President is a very cool chess player>whenever he seems weak, he is setting up a checkmate.
Need I remind y'all that the President likes to sit back and let people set their own traps for themselves?
Tonight Obama set up a nice big rat trap and then sat back on the sidelines and ate a sandwich. The rat, however, had a busy night. He put his own cheese in Obama's rat trap, nibbled on it, ran around on it, and lied ALL about it.
And Obama is still, basically, sitting on the sidelines eating his sandwich. Tomorrow when Romney's house of lies collapses the rat trap will snap shut.
Obama didn't lose the debate, he stepped out of the way while it careened downhill out of control.
And that is how you beat a sleazy used-car salesman...you just stand pack and let him lie. He beats himself.
I mean, seriously, do you think Obama is the type to take that crap for no reason? You seriously underestimate him if you do...just like Romney is about to do."
Posted by: MarcusBrody at October 04, 2012 01:57 AM (jWTKL)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2012 01:58 AM (+tqYo)
This undermines all their negative ads making Romney out to be the third anti-christ; People realize they've been lied to.
Secondly, the jobs numbers on friday. There is more downside risk to a bad number than upside to a good one. So, they may need a 'reset' event following this.
If there is movement due to either they will likely push Biden to go aggressive on Ryan and try to stem the tide. This is what Bush-'04 did when Kerry came on strong in debate 1, they had Cheney go aggressive and change the narrative. Obama's people like to view this election as a 2004 rerun, so look out for Biden's kamakazi run.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 04, 2012 01:59 AM (Wa+Fw)
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And right on cue, here comes the meme I just wrote above was the newest Obot spin -- Obama's miserable performance at the debate "on purpose."
SMH. All y'all have ever had is fantasy. Tonight Obama, the guy you think is so smart, successful & good looking based on nothing but your own delusions, stood next to a guy who actually *is* smart, successful & good looking and the rest of America saw the difference even though you are incapable of seeing it.
Posted by: angienc at October 04, 2012 02:03 AM (w3JGl)
Posted by: TexasJew at October 04, 2012 02:24 AM (Wd1Zo)
Do you think it would be too cheeky if Mitt began the foreign policy debate with a deep bow to the moderators?
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at October 04, 2012 02:27 AM (0b17P)
Posted by: EROWMER at October 04, 2012 02:29 AM (kxlCQ)
Posted by: Bete stays up at October 04, 2012 02:32 AM (8kIXE)
Posted by: Baldy at October 04, 2012 02:32 AM (opS9C)
Well, that WOULD be consistent with the four years of his presidency.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 04, 2012 02:42 AM (jyiZ6)
Posted by: Donna V. at October 04, 2012 03:01 AM (dcIHW)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf at October 04, 2012 05:10 AM (WbZn7)
Something is needed to keep him off-stride so he doesn't have time to figure out a game plan.
Posted by: A. at October 04, 2012 05:44 AM (DSWV8)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 04, 2012 05:57 AM (exvgC)
Steyn had a pretty great column a couple of months ago that made a very similar point - that 10, 20 years in the future, people will look back on the Obama presidency and just marvel at the fact at one time this man was actually taken seriously by a sizable percentage of the public. Embarrassing is exactly the right word.
Posted by: Killface at October 04, 2012 06:07 AM (R8kIj)
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Reminds me of Kirk's line from "Wrath of Khan": "Khan. I'm laughing at the superior intellect."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 04, 2012 06:10 AM (exvgC)
Posted by: Bob T at October 04, 2012 06:37 AM (Q+HyJ)
Posted by: Cautiosly optimistic at October 04, 2012 06:50 AM (VsNm9)
Posted by: pyromancer76 at October 04, 2012 07:04 AM (i0aYq)
Romney Spoke Four Minutes Less, but Got in 541 More Words according to Atlantic Wire.
Posted by: Bill at October 04, 2012 08:10 AM (GyteG)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 04, 2012 12:01 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: steevy at October 04, 2012 12:24 PM (6o4Fb)
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