June 28, 2012
— Ace
Oh, no.
I'm drawing this from SCOTUSblog. They are still reading the decision, and say it's complicated. But for the moment, they say the mandate is okayed, as a "tax."
Roberts joined the liberals. The holding is apparently that it cannot be justified as a Commerce Clause power, but can be under the taxing power.
Medicaid expansion coercion limited but not thrown out. Again, via SCOTUSblog.
Further: The entire act is upheld, except for the Medicaid expansion, which is construed "narrowly." I assume that means they bless the law but signal to the executive they will impose limits in further adjudication.
Good Lord.
Roberts' vote saved the ACA -- so I guess 5-4 decisions are okay again.
Medicaid Limitation: Actually, they found for us on this, and yet the law still stands.
The majority opinion states:
TNothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding.
So the federal government may now only offer extra money to encourage Medicaid expansion-- but may not take away funds (as the law was written) to penalize them if they don't.
This essentially makes Medicaid expansion voluntary.
Who Wrote It? Roberts, I believe, wrote the main opinion. When he wrote that the Commerce Clause could not support ObamaCare, he was joined by the four conservatives. The four liberals dissented on that point, claiming the Commerce Clause gives Ultimate Ninja Power. I believe that concurrence is written by Ginsberg. (Actually it would be a concurrence in part, dissent in part.)
The dissent is written by... Kennedy. Kennedy finds the whole thing must come down, and cannot be justified as a "tax." But he only has four votes for that.
Doctor Flaming Skull from Slublog.
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 06:10 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (5mx3x)
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (xiJmL)
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 06:11 AM (HzR5W)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (mEgrM)
Posted by: freemo at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (cwZoa)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (MpDjI)
Posted by: Cynthia at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (lhhNH)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (nUH8H)
UGH!
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (0tRzD)
Posted by: H.L. Mencken's Ghost at June 28, 2012 06:12 AM (YFFpo)
The U.S. Constitution is apparently a worthless piece of paper to these assholes.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (tuyMA)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (5mx3x)
I think we need true leaders, dissolution of the union may be the way to go. Just saying......
Posted by: TheGarbone at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (O3f8/)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (mEgrM)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (pVvkk)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (ZHrEM)
Posted by: izoneguy at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (hbRed)
Posted by: CheshireLion at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (+8jA3)
Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: Jai at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (iocin)
Damnit.
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (HzR5W)
Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (B60j2)
Posted by: laddy at June 28, 2012 06:13 AM (QmNJC)
Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (VE5vJ)
Posted by: exceller at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (ROGMG)
Posted by: Hal Burton at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: davidinvirginia at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (tuyMA)
Think we're going to see any walk-back now?
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (FCfv5)
Posted by: mbruce at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (Fr8N6)
Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Lady in Black at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (vOMX+)
Posted by: SamIam at June 28, 2012 06:14 AM (VDpzM)
Posted by: Lizabth at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (JZBti)
Posted by: djm1992 at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (1o4B5)
Posted by: Dow Jones Industrial Average at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (HzR5W)
Posted by: STUNNED at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (AzwZn)
Posted by: Jaimo at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (9U1OG)
Wait. If it is a Tax? What is the treatement in re. to Anti Injunction?
If a tax, they would be barred per Anti Injunction Act to decide until the tax is enacted.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 06:15 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (B60j2)
Posted by: davidinvirginia at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (tuyMA)
Posted by: Mr. Bingley at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (OXWdU)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (pmDdf)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (+usC4)
So now we'll be treated to endless fawning profiles in vanity Fair of how Roberts' "grew" in office.
Posted by: Jabba the Hutt at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (B/yDO)
Is there an impeachment provision for Supreme Court justices?
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (HzR5W)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (cmVhL)
Swell. I predicted a 6-3 kick in the nuts the other day. What do I win?
Oh, yeah. Right. Eternal slavery.
Good times.
Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 06:16 AM (4I3Uo)
I don't care what your feelings were to this point about Romney--if you cannot tell that the fate of this country rests on the outcome of November 6, then you are a the worst kind of traitor to your friends, family, and fellow citizens.
These guys have got to go.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (pVvkk)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (hm8tW)
If this stands, there is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, that the goddamn federal government can't do to you or force you to do to yourself.
My years as Madame Speaker are not in vain!
Posted by: Nancy the Pelosi at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (yPNqR)
Posted by: Gran at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (p8FXV)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (I2LwF)
Ok, folks, we know what we have to do -
EVERY SINGLE MAN AND WOMAN YOU CAN GET NEEDS TO VOTE FOR ROMNEY IN THE FALL AND FOR EVERY LOCAL SENATE AND HOUSE RACE THAT HAS A CONSERVATIVE NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!
This is the only way we can toss out this garbage now!!
No point crying over the "spilled milk" of the SCOTUS ruling. We've got a TON of work to do now.
Posted by: Janir at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (VGU7i)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (iuHbc)
So does that mean that they will rule on it again (just the mandate) once the tax has started to be taking from the People?
Posted by: momma at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (sYijI)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (SzAZ7)
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Yeah, but we've traded it for the "You haven't bought enough broccoli this year" tax.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 28, 2012 06:17 AM (1c58W)
And the SCOTUS Blog words that will be imprinted on our brains:
"Chief Justice Roberts vote saved ACA."
My friends. This is quite bad.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (HS3dy)
GW Bush: the gift that keeps on giving. Yes, he put Alito on the Court but that's only because the right revolted when he wanted Harriett Miers.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (JxMoP)
Just watch. All that bitching from last week? Going to disappear.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (FCfv5)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (5mx3x)
I've been trying to figure out exactly how this was going to affect my small business (with 5 hourly employees) for the last couple of years with no success. This decision makes it even more complicated.
Anybody got any ideas?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Bluegrass Conservative at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (SEkXG)
Nov 6 will not fix this. We are screwed because it is impossible to get 60 votes in the Senate and spineless Republicans will not go nuclear.
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (HOOye)
Tax and spend.
Tax and spend.
Tax and spend.
Tax and spend.
Tax and spend.
Tax and spend.
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 06:18 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: liontooth at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (xk0Xg)
Why bother. We CANNOT stop socialism.
The crap is a fait accompli.
We really should just stop fighting, protesting, caring.
What's the point?
Have we had any successes?
no.
All we do is slow it down.
Posted by: steve at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (fnJX1)
Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (myanI)
Posted by: Nevyan at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (xkAwC)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: El Kabong at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (5pjC0)
Posted by: CTD at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (RurGt)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (jWvMW)
Posted by: evil libertarian at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (UDr7w)
still total bull
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (Bxm/r)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (XYqoq)
Posted by: Killface at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (SEO/0)
Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (mt3j2)
Who cares now, we're fucked. We're just voting for another progressive in Romney who will turn around and fuck us six ways to Sunday just as Obama has. Obviously Roberts, whom we thought was a constitutional conservative wasn't, so there you have it. We're surrounded.
Can I have some Obama money now? I give up. I need a cigarette and I don't even smoke.
Posted by: Jaimo at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (9U1OG)
Fuck, fuck, fuck. Fuck those assholes sideways with a rusty shiv. Roberts, you cock-sucking prick.
Predicted Romney bounce in the polls from this miserable clusterfuck: +4
Posted by: OSUsux at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (jAyh4)
Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (hm8tW)
Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Last conservative in IL at June 28, 2012 06:19 AM (H5QTl)
Posted by: American's citizens at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (hDSyL)
Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (cmVhL)
Posted by: Gran at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (p8FXV)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (KZI7g)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (5H6zj)
>>Bush's legacy just took a big hit today. His most conservative accomplishments were supposed to be his supreme court nominations.
Agreed. Roberts has figured out a way to make you utter those immortal words.. "I'm proud of Justice Kennedy."
Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (yPNqR)
Fuck Roberts, fuck Bush. Fuck republicans.
I will not purchase health insurance. I would sooner be unemployed on food stamps.
Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (obXkJ)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (5mx3x)
Immediately.
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (xiJmL)
Posted by: President Kool Kat at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (/ZZCn)
Amy Howe: The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (aGX9l)
Posted by: That guy at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (a4lmz)
The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (X6akg)
This law was created via the political process and willl live or die via the political process. Republicans have been running around promising to repeal it. Now they get that chance.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:20 AM (9KqcB)
Slu, thank you for the doctor skull.
I will need to read the decision but if this was struck down under the Commerce Clause but is a tax, then, well, I don't know. We're into an area that I freely admit I know very little about. If it's a tax, though, that heaves the mandate into a whole other cesspool of precedent. I may be utterly wrong on this, but I think an individual challenge can be brought that this was not passed properly as a tax bill. Again, I could be utterly utterly utterly wrong on that.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (VtjlW)
First act of the Republican Congress in 2013: Impeach the Chief Justice and replace him with someone concerned with liberty and the Constitution.
Posted by: Ninjaneer at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (RLX8Z)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (5H6zj)
November is going to be very busy, what with you packing and getting your ass out of the White House. I suggest you start packing NOW, to save time later.
Sincerely,
MWR
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (B60j2)
lol
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (tw6Ar)
If it is a tax why is it not unconstitutional because it did not originate in the House as required by the Constitution?
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It did originate from the house. The senate pulled a (house) passed bill out of the trash can and amended it with the health care bill, then sent it back to the house.
Everything about it was a sham.
Posted by: Hal Burton at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (iYvMQ)
Posted by: Hari Seldon, Psychohistorian at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (C0Mkm)
Posted by: justJ at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (PyYUJ)
Posted by: Infidel of the Day at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (0bprY)
I an refuse to pay taxes? Well, that's a relief.
Posted by: Bluegrass Conservative at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (SEkXG)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 06:21 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (iuHbc)
Posted by: izoneguy at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (hbRed)
Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Clemenza at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (qA9lG)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (UU0OF)
To reverse engineer this into a valid justification as a tax when the word tax was never mentioned in 2,700 pages of it despite the broad authoritative powers the law provides makes it quite clear that Roberts never was on board to allow the court to rule on constitutional grounds in terms of individual liberty.
The highest court in the land has been politicized through outside influence by the left.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (myanI)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (XYqoq)
Posted by: grandmalcaesar at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (yrohn)
Posted by: Jack Kevorkian at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (bPKsO)
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (B/yDO)
Yeah, right. Because that makes sense. Bullshit.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: Mr Tea at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (QpR9Y)
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (Bxm/r)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Finrod at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (WnBwb)
At least there's *that*. Cold comfort, but still...
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 06:22 AM (HzR5W)
Posted by: Ryan Aaron at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (uFyxE)
Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (As94z)
Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: TallDave at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM
Sorry, dude. Roberts just made it clear that Obama can do any fucking thing he wants to.
Any. Fucking. Thing.
And that, obviously, includes making up some new rules for November.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (MQc8e)
Posted by: I.M. at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (1HVeO)
Early start to the hagiography:
John Roberts' Moment: The Chief Justice Weighs Image and Principle in Obamacare Decision
TIME (blog)‎ - 4 hours ago
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: DriveBy at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (C9Vc8)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (+usC4)
So... if its a tax, then that means all that is needed is 50 votes in the senate to remove, right?
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: freemo at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (cwZoa)
I hear empire of jeff is taking applications for citizenship.
Posted by: Flounder at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Countrysquire at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (1hLHC)
Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (22rSN)
Posted by: Monty at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (4Pleu)
Posted by: mugiwara at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (D5hxK)
Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (d6QMz)
THIS
Buck up and vote, send cash and volunteer. Sad as it is to say, Romney's your only hope now.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (sbV1u)
Ginsburg must have given him one hell of a Hummer.
IYKWIMAITYD!
Posted by: Paladin at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (ycm4Q)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 06:23 AM (iy7de)
Posted by: izoneguy at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (hbRed)
Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (WR5xI)
I have refused to vote for Romney to this point. He can win my vote today if he becomes the face of the movement to overturn Obamacare.
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (aPkU9)
Posted by: Clemenza at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (qA9lG)
"The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate."
Really? How does that work?
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Drew in MO at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (Ngi7s)
So how is it exactly that we can refuse to pay the tax to comply with the mandate? The IRS says, ok - we'll just audit you every year for the rest of your miserable life?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (r2PLg)
"NOW we need to load congress with conservatives and libertarians to overturn it."
I hate to be the one to say it, because you guys are going to jump on my ass, but if you're pinning your hopes on Romney appointees being better than Roberts, you've got high hopes (to put it as tactfully as possible).
Stick a fork in us - we're fucked.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (5H6zj)
Basically, the Supremes are just confirming what we already know: there are no real Constitutional limits on what Congress is allowed to do. The Commerce Clause, as interpreted over the past seventy years, bascially allows them to do whatever they want.
Monty, from what I'm hearing the holding is that the mandate fails under the Commerce Clause but is upheld as a tax.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (VtjlW)
So, essentially we have to wait until 2014 - until this "goes into effect" - before another challenge can be brought before SCOTUS.
At least it was declared unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause.
Unfortunately, this is going to raise EVERYONE'S taxes, because as I understand it, everyone is required to carry insurance equivalent to the percentage amount that corresponds to their income level, whether or not their insurance costs that much.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at June 28, 2012 06:24 AM (HNn1q)
Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (H7qBA)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (iy7de)
Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (bPKsO)
This deserves consideration.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (9KqcB)
For the environmental health of our Nation.... I am now requiring that all citizens are required to purchase a new Chevy Volt.
I won.
FYNQ.
Posted by: The PResident of the United States at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)
once again.....HAHA
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (tw6Ar)
Really? How does that work?
Posted by: Dang
Really? Are they saying I have the right to go to prison?
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (6uXZa)
Another useless Ivy League law degree.
Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (TgZVh)
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (Bxm/r)
Posted by: twodogspanting at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (rc5Tb)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM
Yup, and I can only think of Winston Smith: "we are the dead."
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (MQc8e)
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (ioQWm)
Posted by: Jack Kevorkian at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (jucos)
But those of you who were saying that the 16th Amendment was the one that needed to be repealed? I think you're right.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (zIBKJ)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (r2PLg)
He should have replaced Roberts with Harriet Miers.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 06:25 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: John at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (KSeSW)
Posted by: Silentbrick at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (4rnrm)
good news, actually. it will be easier just to repeal a tax...
Posted by: Mark X
Can you think of one that's been repealed? I'm drawing a blank.
The income tax was originally to pay for WWI, so I don't have great hopes.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (kdS6q)
How bout refusing to pay ALL taxes. Same meaning.
Posted by: TexBob at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (pUOpM)
Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (DD2Ty)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (d6QMz)
This is very bad and it is convoluted. The 500B taken from medicare apparently is invalid.
What in theory the court is allowing has been neutered in practicality and this appears to be the grand bargain Roberts likely struck behind the scenes and was how the Arizona law's paper check aspect was maintained.
This court did not do the right thing here and is further deligitimizing its own integrity by issuing something as convoluted as this.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: Chicago Voter at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (qAGZa)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (As94z)
Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (myanI)
If it is a tax, then it can be removed under reconciliation - 51 senators. The dems will be hard pressed to argue that it is not a tax, now that Roberts affirmed it was.
All that being said, why do so many on this blog have confidence that Mitt will push for repeal?
Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (1ha9G)
Communism here we come.
I am signing off for the day. I will go out and mow grass before the 100° heat wave comes in and then get drunk.
Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (r2PLg)
Do they and all their descendents get gold-plated health care as congress critters?
***
I think legislators and SCOTUS are exempt from this shit sandwich. They don't have to live under the rules they impose on us, you see.
It's a goddamn oligarchy/plutocracy
Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: SamIam at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (VDpzM)
I read the mandate and we dont really have to pay the tax unless its cleared up by the IRS to be unenforcable by them because congress gave it no teeth.Should be intersting to see who challenges that,In 2014 when it takes effect,assuming it survives the Romney administration,assuming that actually happens. So what else is on the news?
Posted by: Rich K at June 28, 2012 06:26 AM (X4l3T)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (HLFzM)
Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (uRPLL)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (XYqoq)
He just appoints the judges that uphold or overturn Congress. Any repeal (which isn't going to happen anyway) is going to be challenged in court before the ink dries on Romney's signature.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (iuHbc)
Posted by: Aaron at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (Tlix5)
Posted by: doug at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (gUGI6)
"The Court holds that the Anti-Injunction Act doesn't apply because the label "tax" is not controlling."
Translation: It's a tax, but it's not a tax.
Roberts also gave Obama a free out.
Posted by: egd at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (XVGEg)
Wonder what this'll do to ammo sales.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (Umv2b)
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (HzR5W)
wow.
2010--take house
now last chance to save America from the really scary communists!!-
must :
2012--take whitehouse and senate...
have to vote every demoncrates out of the govt...
Posted by: nygal at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (+/c0N)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (jucos)
* * *
He doesn't care. His work is done now.
Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (B60j2)
Tom: Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (RD7QR)
Well, it's only 7:27, but by 7:30 - by all means. I've already got the shaker down and opened a fresh jar of jalapeno olives.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: H.L. Mencken's Ghost at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (YFFpo)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (myanI)
But if it is a tax, after all, doesn't that mean that the bill could not have been passed without violating the Constitutional provisions specifying where revenue-raising bills must originate?
If so, is there any recourse to this ex-post-facto redefinition? Or can Congress now just pass taxes as absolutely-honest-really-not-taxes that magically turn into oh-yeah-they-are-taxes sometime after they're passed?
I'm glad the commerce clause justification, at least, was tossed out. This is a harsh way to establish it, but at least it begins to set a limit on how far that power can be stretched by Congress.
And if it's just another tax, the mandate can be repealed as any other tax can be repealed. Sounds like President Romney and the new Republican majority have a clear path of action after they're elected.
Posted by: GalosGann at June 28, 2012 06:27 AM (T3KlW)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (d6QMz)
Because he's turned it into a campaign motto?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: nraendowment at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (Msv+6)
It was already done. This is just the final shovel full of dirt on the coffin.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (tuyMA)
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (Bxm/r)
And Oklahoma!
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (aPkU9)
Posted by: laddy at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (QmNJC)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (H7qBA)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (Umv2b)
Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (myanI)
Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: holygoat at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (auGuV)
Posted by: Lauren at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (hNLFW)
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 06:28 AM (Bxm/r)
The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
Congress can set the tax .. oh, about $1.99 sounds right....
not to panic ...yet
Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (bPKsO)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque, Pissed Prole at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (teRpc)
Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (pMGkg)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (+4Ho1)
Posted by: Sunny at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (Xnxty)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (+/C3g)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (pVvkk)
Embrace Teh Doom!
Get to know your local survivalist/prepper.
...and re-think Igor Panarin. (His timing's wrong, but it's not a matter of outcomes. Just timing and details.)
See: Samuel "Bud" J. Kress, Jim Goulding's "Winter is Coming." See Strauss and Howe's "The Fourth Turning." Plus: "The Rise and Fall of Civilizations" by Miller, Joubert and Butler. Also: "This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly" By Reinhart and Rogoff.
A bit dated, but a free online version of Thomas Chittum's "Civili War II. The Coming breakup of America: is available online and is also found at Amazon.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (WwR1j)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (5H6zj)
So, essentially we have to wait until 2014 - until this "goes into effect" - before another challenge can be brought before SCOTUS.
Or we can repeal it.
This is a political creation requiring a political response. Fuck the lawsuits, and crying and calls for "civil war." Christ, they were able to beat us politically to get this legislation enacted, and many of the provisions remain popular. That's where we lost and if we're going to fight back it's going to be in the political arena and the battle for public opinion. As always.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: David of PA at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (RHrNg)
Posted by: Infidel of the Day at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (0bprY)
All the rest of it is already harming people.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (/kI1Q)
In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (uRPLL)
Hey, genius--the real world is over here through this door.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 06:29 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (YcTIW)
Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (ihSa7)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Lizzy at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (zsRKf)
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (aw5Tx)
I've always assumed Oklahoma would join the Republic of Texas
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (Bxm/r)
In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."
How close we came.
Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (yPNqR)
Any chance CAC can work his magic on senate race polling?
Posted by: a_feral_duck at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (P7xkj)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (74T7W)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (zIBKJ)
Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (4YUWF)
After Kelo, is anyone surprised?
After McCain, is anyone surprised?
Shit, after Wickert, is anyone surprised?
There is no check on federal power. None. The Commerce Clause is now the wildcard that trumps everything else: enumeration of powers, tenth amendment, the works. Why not simply reword to say, "Congress can do whatever the hell it feels like." Because that's where we stand.
Posted by: Brown Lne at June 28, 2012 06:30 AM (u8FKm)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (r2PLg)
That's right, the fucking gloating.
Obama, Reid and Pelosi.
Rubbing your nose in it.
Over and over and over.
Then the MFM.
Over and over and over.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: I have the President's back at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (4eNxd)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio
Romney needs to play this 24 hours a day through November... It needs to be set to music. and autotuned.
Posted by: Minuteman at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (VzYy6)
Posted by: trailortrash at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (xllDV)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (5H6zj)
It's too early for drinkin', obviously.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (zIBKJ)
Posted by: Some dope at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (jZ8D/)
Poor people get their coverage paid for them, so they don't have to pay the tax. Just those competent enough to avoid poverty.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (d6QMz)
See Strauss and Howe's "The Fourth Turning."
___
I remember hearing this guy on Coast to Coast a while ago. For the past year or so, I've been meaning to research periods of fourth turnings, but maybe I've been too afraid to to it.
Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:31 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:32 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 06:32 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: Saruman the White at June 28, 2012 06:32 AM (cUmUy)
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 06:32 AM (O/fK8)
>>I do not understand how Roberts is to the left of Kennedy on this. Roberts had sounded so skeptical earlier...
Polishing his street cred for 'reasonableness'. "Calling balls & strikes" & the like.
Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 06:32 AM (yPNqR)
Roberts and the other four essentially rewrote the legislation. He punted! Roberts, you schmuck!
Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at June 28, 2012 06:32 AM (H7qBA)
We didn't abort enough Democrat voters.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 06:32 AM (Ec6wH)
Huh, imagine that.
The largest tax in the history of the Universe.
Has an effect on the market?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:32 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: jones at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (9KAw+)
To our Democrat colleagues, stand by your tax increase or stand with us to Repeal and Replace Obamacare.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (piMMO)
Sheesh...
Posted by: JEM at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (XYqoq)
Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (RD7QR)
I injected a lot of fun yesterday in commenting but I also did it with purpose as Roberts I knew was a creature of politics and impression.
Laurence Tribe and the chattering set of elites injected polity into the court. This is logically unsound because it was strained through a legal objective due to Roberts' inability to separate his ego from this.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (N2yhW)
317 Republicans have been running around promising to repeal it. Now they get that chance.
Hold your breath on that one. I won't be.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (nUH8H)
I'll rely on that process rather than the one that requires me to throw a hissy fit when the court doesn't rule the way I want.
We sound exactly like the liberal pundits we were mocking just a few hours ago.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Barry Hussein StoolPusher at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (pUOpM)
Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (B60j2)
Amen. Again I say Amen. She's about the last person left in America with as strong a belief in conservatism as Pelosi has to socialism. Romney won't do SQUAT to overturn this. We're going to need a scrapper, not an appeaser.
Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (As94z)
Kennedy wanted to toss the whole goddamn thing out. ROBERTS is the one who stabbed us in the back.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (FCfv5)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:33 AM (r2PLg)
many of the provisions remain popular
One...ONE provision is popular--the preexisiting conditions piece. That's it. Otherwise, it's already forcing employers to drop insurance, it's making EVERYTHING more expensive and it adds to the deficit.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (jWvMW)
>So today we have Chief Justice Roberts, Big-Government Leftist Tool and >Justice Anthony Kennedy, Defender of the Constitutional Republic?
Sotomayor irks me.
Posted by: Anthony Kennedy, Defender of the Constitutional Republic at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (yPNqR)
2. The first line of the dissent, written by Kennedy, could have been the first line of the majority if not for Roberts. The law in it's entirety is invalid (paraphrasing).
3. The fact that Robert's could not find the intestinal fortitude to vote against this, means the USSC is never to be looked at as a backstop for freedom.
Posted by: The Hammer at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (4kwMn)
Posted by: JSchuler at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (du1X0)
Posted by: SurferDoc at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (6H6FZ)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (5H6zj)
The excise tax on medical equipment? Of course, that tapers off when people just stop buying wheelchairs and defibrilators and whatnot.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (N2yhW)
Why would it matter how we vote or how often we vote any longer?
The Supreme Court has decided that it is perfectly acceptable for the government to lord over its citizens.
Votes will no longer change this. John Roberts will go down as the Judge that opened the floodgates on Civil War II.
Just damn.
Posted by: H Badger at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (caAEA)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (B+qrE)
Large corporations will, within a year, cease offering insurance coverage to their employees - it costs too much to administer within large companies.
We're fucked. Life, as we knew it in America, is over. The great experiment is done.
Posted by: Not an (angry) Artist at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (uRumV)
Amy Howe: In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Monty at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (4Pleu)
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (t2cnv)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:34 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Mike at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (s/CyU)
What the Roberts led SCOTUS did was evade the unpleasantness of overruling the Congress and Executive.
There was ample reason to over rule this abortion, but the way forward is to elect a new majority in the Senate and a different President and fix this terrible piece of legislation. This abortion of the law.
The way the decision was parsed, some of the hoped for power to the executive was clipped, but the overall act leaves tremendous un-Constitutional power to HHS.
We all feel betrayed, and rightfully so. But quitting and running away is not an option. It will be interesting to read all the weasel words from the luke-warm boot-lickers who will pretend to see the wisdom in all this.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (jWvMW)
what happens when someone wishcasts
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: alans4 at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (bBBdT)
Tweet from Jim Geraghty at National Reveiw: " To quote Bill Clinton, we'll just have to win, then."
Are you ready to rumble come November?
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (+ciOu)
Posted by: A One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (eMtQ2)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (piMMO)
Since I live in Texas, here is the next press conference I'd like to see, in 10 minutes or so...
Rick Perry : Texas says "fuck you"
Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (GvYeG)
...not that "insurance" that cannot be used to obtain actual medical care is worth shit, but let's not let facts get in the way of celebrating our new Fascist utopia.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: sTevo at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (XAJr3)
Posted by: section9 at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (CUoon)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 06:35 AM (nUH8H)
1. If the Robert's Court had overturned this whole law, Conservatives would seem hypocritical to ever complain about judicial activism in the future.
2. If the law had been struck down we almost surely would have seen a spike in hiring just before the election that Obama would have taken credit for.
3. If the law had been struck down this would have motivated Obama's base to keep him in office and nominate more liberal judges.
4. Now the Republican base will be hyper-motivated as we realize a Republican Congress and President is the ONLY way to repeal this law. Romney can run on this all day.
5. The limiting of Medicaid penalties to the states means the states can pretty much give this law the finger and refuse to implement it with no penalty.
6. Careful what you wish for. One day there will be a liberal court and now we have a good reason to argue against their liberal decisions.
For me, this is HUGE win for Romney and Republicans. HUGE loss for Obama. The Left may crow but remember, America DOES NOT WANT this law. Being "taxed" to enforce it won't make them happy either.
Chief Justice is a smart guy.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (hlUJY)
Unconstitutional?
If you guys based more of your opinions on reality you would be less disappointed today.
See you in November! The polls in Ohio, PA and Florida are already tipping for Obama. Yikes!
= sad face...Posted by: jimmy joe at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (xU2OO)
And just as Obama was on the ropes.
Posted by: 13times at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (h6XiD)
Who cares what Mitt said or says on the campaign trail. Obama said it wasn't a tax. He also said he was against individual mandates. Politicians lie. That is why it is important to look to their actions. Why are people so confident that Mitt will puch for repeal. I think it is more likely he will stop at the first sign of pushback. I may be wrong, I hope I am, and I certainly do believe that repeal is only likely if Mitt wins. But why so confident even if he does win. If Mitt makes this the centerpiece of his campaign, I'll feel a lot better. But at this point, nothing in Mitt's past gives me any reason to believe that he will repeal this thing. Waivers aren't good enough. This country should not be governed by Presidential waivers.
Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (gmeXX)
Just a reminder:
This means the Obama health law will steam ahead. Insurance exchanges are set to open in 2014, the same year insurers will have to accept all customers regardless of their medical histories. The insurance mandate will also take effect that year. People must show when they file tax returns for 2014 that they had coverage during that year or pay a tax penalty. The size of the penalty will rise over time and eventually reach a maximum of several thousand dollars a year. Also starting in 2014, companies with more than 50 workers will have to pay penalties starting at $2,000 per employee if they didnÂ’t offer a set level of health benefits.
WSJ
Getting my resume into the IRS stat.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (kdS6q)
/looks around for Vulcan with goatee
Posted by: Waterhouse at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (KF/Jh)
>>So, does this mean we can now accurately claim that Obama is raising taxes on all Americans?<<
Yes. The court just ruled: It's a tax.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Johnny at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (v9Yvj)
If it is a tax, then it can be removed under reconciliation - 51 senators. The dems will be hard pressed to argue that it is not a tax, now that Roberts affirmed it was.
All that being said, why do so many on this blog have confidence that Mitt will push for repeal?
I think you're correct that if it's a tax then it can not be filibustered.
As to your second question, the issue is not going to be whether Mittens will sign it. He will sign whatever's sent to him. The issue is what exactly would be sent to him. Will it be a total repeal or will it be a piecemeal bill? IMO this was the only chance to get the entire thing repealed as there will not be enough votes in the House or Senate to repeal the entire thing. A lot of the popular garbage will remain.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (jWvMW)
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (QupBk)
I thought his prediction was "Guilty".
People fall in love with their own predictions. I'm now doing that. And I'm finding, as people do, only evidence to support my new, outta-my-ass prediction.
Guilty.
Yup, that's how I read it.
Can I be on SCOTUS now?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (hlUJY)
Posted by: Jordan at June 28, 2012 06:36 AM (yD+nq)
Posted by: Rich K at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (X4l3T)
Good luck with that, sucker.
Posted by: IRS SWAT Team at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (TIIx5)
I'm so tempted to just walk out of the office and go home and drink. Why work?
If I have to live in a banana republic, why stay here? Might as well move to some Caribbean paradise.
Posted by: yinzer at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: jones at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (9KAw+)
Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (As94z)
Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (jWvMW)
Questions:
I believe that they took a tax bill, gutted it and reconciled ObamaCare into to it to avoid a Closure vote in the Senate. If the Republican's take control of the Senate (but not supermajority), keep the House and Romney is elected, what's to stop the total repeal under the same method?
Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (1EUmb)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:37 AM (r2PLg)
You know they have single-payer there and limit immigration based on medical history...
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:38 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (t06LC)
Dear God, I hope so.
Part of Obamacare was enacted under reconciliation, so it can be repealed under reconciliation.
Just keep reminding people that Obama raised taxes for everyone.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 28, 2012 06:38 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:38 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: D.X.M. at June 28, 2012 06:38 AM (V3+ou)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 06:38 AM (jWvMW)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:38 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 06:38 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 06:38 AM (N2yhW)
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (pUOpM)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (IhUxK)
Yes we do. Unfortunately that's not possible.
Posted by: Janir at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (VGU7i)
Whoever noted that the Tax can be raised to enforce compliance.... BINGO.
And don't forget, the ACA is federal statute and fines are not the only punishment for non-compliance.
This is where Roberts' ego transcended the clear strictures of the founders' intent as so decreed in both the Declartion and as woven into the Constitution.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (QWOh7)
Because he keeps saying it?
Because he's turned it into a campaign motto?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (sbV1u)
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please give a citation for your assertion that it is a Romney campaign motto
The most that I have heard Mittens say is that it needs to be 'improved' and that he supports the 'repeal and replace' model, without specifying what would be repealed and what would be the replacement
Posted by: Mark E at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (w5RwR)
Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (HjPtV)
*sigh*
Well, reading the shampoo bottle guidelines for this situation it seems that 2010 was "rinse-lather." That mean that 2012 must be "repeat."
For today, take 15 minutes, and scream it out. Stamp your feet! Write a letter to your congressman and senators containing no words you would repeat to your mother.
Then get busy.
Posted by: Warthog at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: TallDave at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM
I disagree completely. This will be the beginning of Obama's "comeback".
This may be another means to attack Choomer... "Your taxes just went up, America...courtesy of Choomer"
Posted by: Zombie Howard Cosell at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (Jls4P)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (jWvMW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: DavidW at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (VY2Ce)
Let's win the big dance.
*****
Cooler heads...
Today we rage. Tomorrow we regroup. And I repeat....make a statement. Donate anything you can to Romney today!
Each donation is sends a message.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 06:39 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Nighthawk at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (1u3l0)
Posted by: jerky at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (PYJga)
Posted by: Crispian at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (uBMtY)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (d6QMz)
Except Muslims. They're exempt.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (/kI1Q)
So... if its a tax, then that means all that is needed is 50 votes in the senate to remove, right?
Posted by: Jollyroger
Iffy we'll have that 50 in the next Senate. We might have the majority, but with Brown, the remaing Lady from Maine and the rest of the wets....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (kdS6q)
My new plan: Worm my way into the Feral Government, get a good-payin' job, and try to subvert it from within. Who's with me?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (exvgC)
Posted by: H Badger at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (cUmUy)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: Bud Norton at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (6cOMd)
Posted by: deadrody at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (2NNWw)
Do you think the voters who opposed Obamacare before will now be in favor of it because it's a "tax" instead of a fine? A pile of shit by any other name...
HUGE win for us. Let's get that supermajority and repeal this mess.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (hlUJY)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (CA2NO)
haha
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:40 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: El Kabong at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (5pjC0)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (5H6zj)"
But he sure has hell appoints to the SCOTUS. If the best he's going to manage in all probability is a Roberts (and that's being generous), Congress is irrelevant. So Romney appoints a couple of Roberts or Souters and repeals Obamacare and replaces it with....something.
We're fucked.
As someone else keeps pointing out on the thread - it's a super joke to think congress is going to repeal a tax.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (rX1N2)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (5mx3x)
Posted by: Winston Wolf at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (8sCoq)
All that sneering at his wife and children paid off. Who knew?
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (cUmUy)
***
The eunuch was the one wearing a strapless dress and high heels.
Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (jm/9g)
If it's a tax, though, that heaves the mandate into a whole other cesspool of precedent. I may be utterly wrong on this, but I think an individual challenge can be brought that this was not passed properly as a tax bill.
Repeal....
Etc
This is the only silver lining, but all it would do is get rid of the "tax."
WE ARE WELL AND TRULY FUCKED.
Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (LrHKJ)
There is only one solution: Repeat the Sixteenth Amendment. Institute a national sales tax. That is all.
Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (knMIa)
But what about the federal infrastructure put in place in Obamacare? How do we pay for that? _______ Same as they are now, the Governement buys more ink & paper ... the printing presses run 24/7/365
Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (bPKsO)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (jWvMW)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (iuHbc)
We know Kagan's one of the 2 full on commies . . . who's the other?
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: soothsayer is in the cat's box at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (Nyn5K)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:41 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Guy who doesn't get it at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (74T7W)
5th column? I'm with ya there. Just don't get caught or you'll get a nice trip out to their re-education camps.
Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (GQ8sn)
John Roberts just won the election for Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (hlUJY)
if you are pissed off and don't contribute time or money towards November YOU are to blame not the retards who got the monster passed in the first place.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (LRFds)
Pray for our troops. Cut to the bone and bled white.
Pray for our people. Sundered and betrayed, no law will stand.
Pray for our land. Corrupted and enslaved, blight rules.
Woe be unto us all.
And still kittehs are sad (doom kitteh pictures withheld by request):
At time like these we are wont to console ourselves with little ditties like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__VQX2Xn7tI
Posted by: The Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (HNn1q)
Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (pMGkg)
At first, I was pissed.
But reading some comments has restored hope.
I think that this will SERIOUSLY hurt Obama's chances.
If you think the Obamacare bill was a zombie that wouldn't die, I certainly hope that we see a similar zombification of the TEA PARTY. This gets back to the basis of the acronym TEA - Taxed Enough Already.
Let's mobilize.
Posted by: Winston_Smith at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (+q3dR)
Posted by: jim at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (VwhRo)
No, this is how a dead nation is pulled last minute out of the slowly lowering casket and ass-raped by the cemetary lawn guy.
Posted by: What, no vaseline? at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (t+HxW)
Posted by: soothsayer is in the cat's box at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (Nyn5K)
but we have Mr. Mandate as our nominee
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:42 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (knMIa)
On this dark day, I've made an amazing discovery: it is possible to put thong panties on sideways. I mention this because from here on out, I can no longer follow the insanity that comes out of Washington, so I'm officially moving to the last free country on earth, Lala Land (never mind that it only exists in my head) where I will be free to ponder such weighty ideas as my upcoming thesis on underwear design flaws.
Posted by: Natasha at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (jU5uf)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: yinzer at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (/Mla1)
Like, before November 6th, 2012 even ?
Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (WR5xI)
Posted by: JEM at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Texan Economist at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (XOZd6)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (VLifP)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (iuHbc)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 06:43 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (r2PLg)
Boehner, McConnell and Romney are far too weak to substantially change this outcome. Obama will use every diabolical method to ensure we can't repeal it after November.
This will energize our country like never before. We will replace the President, take back the Senate and do so will filibuster proof majorities.
Posted by: Exile at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (bR7nX)
First of all: I've been predicting this outcome for awhile. If you weren't, that was dumb. Simply for no other reason than you violated Winston Wolf's Cardinal Rule.
Second of all: as I said yesterday (BEFORE this ruling came down), this is the outcome I wanted, politically. Anybody who thinks Obama's popularity is now suddenly going to rise as Americans find that Obamacare was upheld and it's A MASSIVE TAX INCREASE TO BOOT are crazy. The law was unpopular before, it will remain unpopular now. It's not as if Kelo v. New London suddenly made Eminent Domain super-beloved, after all.
Third of all: this provides a critical rational for Romney's candidacy beyond the economy (which ain't gonna improve based on this, trust me). Now he is literally The Only Hope. And to the concern trolls from DKos coming over here to say stuff like "oh man Romney will just do the same thing as Obama, what's the point of voting in November?": your phoniness is rather transparent.
Chill, people: I would have actually been far more worried about our chances in November had the law been thrown out.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (FCfv5)
this is a giant gift.
roberts just sealed Obamas fate in Nov, and made it easy peasy to repeal this monstrosity.
a court verdict the other way would have almost assured the holy one another term, another SCOTUS appointment and the true end of this republic.
were getting the other. work it people!!! "
I respectfully disagree. You don't win by losing and this abomination (Obamination) to liberty should never have been allowed to stand.
Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (E0rp6)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (i330i)
Posted by: jim at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (VwhRo)
And yeah, if even Lindsey Graham thinks you can hit Dems with this as "Obama raised your taxes" it's definitely a good attack.
Posted by: Ian S.
Ehh. With the progressive tax structure, it's more of a "Obama raised their taxes" to pay for your health care. Going to be popular for those with their hands out.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (kdS6q)
Just like with highway speed limits
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Davidlind at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (5ANyb)
----
Stunning isnt it.....
Im so pissed right now I cant even think straight.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (C8hzL)
Nobody here is giving up ... they are just pissed ... enough with the lectures already. Let people vent.
Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Myan Calendar at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (ycm4Q)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (jWvMW)
Posted by: Silentbrick at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (4rnrm)
It disgusts me to learn that the government can now force me to buy a product, and levy a fine on me if I refuse.
I REFUSE.
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: doug at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (gUGI6)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (zrpqj)
"446 Liberals shouldn't celebrate too early. This is actually the BEST result for Republicans. Here's why.
1. If the Robert's Court had overturned this whole law, Conservatives
would seem hypocritical to ever complain about judicial activism in the
future. ..."
Seriously, dude - It's good that the Court is activist, so we can still complain about it? Are you high?
"... Being "taxed" to enforce it won't make them happy either."
OK, now you're making a little sense, but new taxes rarely go away...
The bottom line is that the Socialism Train is full steam ahead.
Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (As94z)
1. The economy sucks
2. We just gave you the biggest tax increase in the history of the US
And good luck finding ANY economist who thinks raising taxes during a downturn is a good idea.
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 06:44 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (i0App)
Posted by: chariots of toast at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (ksERZ)
Posted by: shinypie at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (Kz85k)
Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (cUmUy)
Just so I understand...
The court ruled that the mandate CANNOT be imposed via the commerce clause?
Liberals have used the commcerce clause to expand the power and wealth of the federal goverment for decades, more than any other tool. When is the last time the court told Congress it overstepped its use of the clause? I think this could be significant.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (jucos)
I CARE ABOUT MY DAMNED CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC
Well, I guess I care enough to campaign for Mitt so he can find better judges.
Posted by: The Feds at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Blacksheep at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (8/DeP)
Posted by: DavidW at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (VY2Ce)
so , well i'm sorry i ever believed i was free.
thanks alot Justice's for an unfree decision and what we know the govt will run with. no limit to infecting evry action of ours now . commerce clause with added steroid power.
Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (pMGkg)
Lack of spine.
Posted by: JSchuler at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (du1X0)
Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 28, 2012 06:45 AM (7MyjZ)
I was scared this would happen because ever since they started this monstrosity I've wondered why they didn't structure the mandate as a tax with an equal tax credit for buying insurance. That structure would be easy to defend under existing precedents (not that I agree with the precedents, of course.) The fact is, that's not how it is written, but apparently Roberts "construed" it to be written as such. The ruling sucks, but in the long game might not be as bad we're feeling about it now.
I think the key question now is whether or not this thing can be repealed with 51 votes in the senate. I don't know for a fact, but I'm getting the sense that it might.
Posted by: DanInMN at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (HQzCT)
Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (fEXaF)
Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Whoopie Goldberg at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (XYqoq)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (d6QMz)
Ahem.
Posted by: Paul Krugman, Super Genius at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (tqwMN)
@329
Thats big actually. It says what I thought it would say regarding the commerce clause. The curveball was that anyone could take the tax argument with a strait face...
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (t06LC)
I really, really loathe it when people post how they predicted this 'months ago'. I knew it was your post before I got to the sig line.
Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (X6akg)
You would think.
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (gx+8G)
Sorry about how the word spacing. It's correct when I write it.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (VLifP)
Posted by: Jay Bee at June 28, 2012 06:46 AM (6W8+8)
"I told you to put those dicks down, gentlemen...
Posted by: Winston Wolf at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (8sCoq)"
Damn I needed that laugh.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (rX1N2)
.....time to force a takeover of the Republican national convention and install the real conservative, Sarah Palin.
AHOY!!
...ah, thanks, I needed a good laugh.
Posted by: PALINISTO! at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (cUmUy)
Posted by: AustinLibertarian at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (nbZFF)
Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (4YUWF)
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (Ky1+e)
I don't think the tax will be imposed until 2014. But that just gives conservative candidates two election cycles to run against it.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (BAS5M)
Well, we do what the rats and pigs on the left have accused us of doing this whole time.
We stop hiring...entirely.
We stop purchasing discretionary goods...entirely (except for weapons and materiel).
We withdraw our capital and hide our assets.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (49lPc)
Posted by: California red at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (DXTKe)
Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 06:47 AM (e8kgV)
Let's stop kidding ourselves, there are no silver linings today. So Roberts found an endpoint to a Commerce Clause that pretty much stretches to the point of absurdity. But what does that matter if all the government needs to do is fine the person for any action or non-action. The government doesn't even need to call it a tax. The federal government can basically do anything. Scalia was right. There is no point in calling states sovereign anymore. The states are mere municipalities of the federal government. And the US can no longer call the people sovereign anymore, we are mere subjects.
But the fight must continue. We must work to ensure that Mitt goes for repeal. I don't have a lot of confidence, but that is the fight that must be made right now. This sucks, it sucks bad. Now its up to us to try to get the right people elected who will fight to overturn this monstrosity, to restore liberty, to make the people the soverigns again. Get drunk today. Nurse the hangover tomorrow. Then let's rally again.
Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (gmeXX)
Feeling strong, congress?
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (IlZPo)
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (8sCoq)
'Hey boys,' he shouted, 'there's some good news! We just heard on the radio. They've called off the search.' Inside the crowded plane there was silence. As the hopelessness of their predicament enveloped them, they wept. 'Why the hell is that good news?' Paez shouted angrily at Nicolich. 'Because it means,' [Nicolich] said, 'that we're going to get out of here on our own.' The courage of this one boy prevented a flood of total despair.
The fight is just beginning. We'll fix this ourselves in November.
Posted by: Twig at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (w9N0m)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (uRPLL)
This.
>>well i'm sorry i ever believed i was free.
Born after 1932? You never were.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (tqwMN)
I channeled my inner Earl Warren.
Posted by: The Dread Just Us Roberts at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (cUmUy)
Posted by: old glazier at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (Iz6HE)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:48 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (qxcKC)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (HOOye)
Don't put your trust in the courts - I remember how sure everyone was that the Campaign Finance laws would be found unconstitutional.
Take back the government and break the law.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (rzSn3)
Posted by: jim at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (VwhRo)
Posted by: Jay Bee at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (6W8+8)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (hm8tW)
Posted by: a_feral_duck at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (P7xkj)
Posted by: Justamom at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: dissenting justice jules at June 28, 2012 06:49 AM (nrW1y)
Get fired up people! 2012 election will be the most important election of our lifetimes.
Posted by: Deli LLama at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (uv9eO)
The single largest tax increase in the history of tax increases and the
history of history. That'snot counting the othertax increasecoming on
January 1. You would think that Romney would have no trouble running and
winning against that.
And there is no way to discuss the Great Liberal Court Victory without the word "tax." That can't make Dave Axle's Rod happy.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (qxcKC)
Even the illusion of freedom is gone. Please enjoy your soon to be mandated grocery shopping trips as we are forced to load up on the products of whoever is lining the crooked bastards pockets the most.
Nutritional science will soon be as much of a joke as climate science.
Posted by: AdamPM at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (glwa2)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (+4Ho1)
A tax never before was established through a contract for services.
It is as simple as that.
Taxes are ubiquitous however, they are not tied to compulsory contracts.
I don't think Roberts understands the pandora's box he just opened by what he sees as a grand bargain in shutting this down under the commerce clause.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (QWOh7)
Thanks for nothing Bush, you fucking fuck.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (cmVhL)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: skh.pcola at June 28, 2012 06:50 AM (NO1RO)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (FCfv5)
You've been worrying warting about everything since the primary. You spent months say we had to go with Mitt, now you've spent months feeling that we are going to lose everytime a bad poll comes out, and now you somehow think that with bad poll numbers with our "best candidate" that somehow losing a court case where we could have struck down the entire thing is a blessing in desgise?
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (i3OIF)
Nobody's revolting now. Nobody's going to revolt then.
I'm pretty sure exempting Muslims from this tax violates one of those romantic Civil War amendments about equality. And I'm pretty sure no one in the federal government gives a shit.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (/kI1Q)
Guess who benefits here?
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (oZfic)
@170: Republicans have been running around promising to repeal it. Now they get that chance.
Now, that's fucking comedy gold right there.
Posted by: Mary Poppins at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Mainah at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (JKNDp)
Posted by: AustinLibertarian at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (nbZFF)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (BAnPT)
We are truly through the looking glass.
Posted by: fluffy in wonderland at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (YcTIW)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (IhUxK)
So now "negative" conditions can trigger a tax? Utter tyranny.
Posted by: micmcn at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (tIQsx)
Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 06:51 AM (myanI)
Stock market down over 1%. So far.
That guy who wrote "The Great Destroyer" (IIRC) really called it.
Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (As94z)
Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (Xb3hu)
Posted by: Mary Poppins at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (zF6Iw)
no shit
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (tw6Ar)
But mostly as a tax, because, sadly, that's what moves most people.
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (xiJmL)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (r2PLg)
Having this prevail as a Tax is fitting irony for a president who stated it wasn't a tax all along.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 06:52 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Wendy at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (KydDZ)
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (Ks0w4)
"Go ahead and do whatever the fuck you want we'll find a way to make it legal...."
fuck you Roberts
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (t2cnv)
You sound like the Marines in Aliens.
And I'm Hudson.
GAME OVER, MAN!
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (hm8tW)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (Ks0w4)
haha
At least we got bike trails
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (Bxm/r)
Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (r2PLg)
Get fired up people! 2012 election will be the most important election of our lifetimes.
Posted by: Deli LLama at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (uv9eO)
They are all important. Forgetting that to play games with the other side is what got us here in the first place.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (rzSn3)
I'm having a difficult time understanding why, if a majority finds the Act unconstitutional per the Commerce Clause, the court then affirms the goddamned thing via the taxing powers of the Congress. How does one power positively mitigate the unconstitutionality of another? I wouldn't expect a law to be held up by "any means necessary."
It was the fig leaf Roberts needed to get his Souter on.
Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 06:53 AM (yPNqR)
Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (gmeXX)
"Romney tips hand on SCOTUS health care response"
Romney, whose criticism of the president's health care reform initiative has been a rallying cry on the stump, continued: "If it is deemed to stand, then I'll tell you one thing. Then we'll have to have a president – and I'm that one – that's gonna get rid of Obamacare. We're gonna stop it on day one."
HOW?
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Mr. Walkway at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (e+4ku)
Posted by: holygoat at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (auGuV)
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (zZngy)
We have read your document to find out what is in it.
It is a tax.
Sincerely,
Johnny R.
Posted by: Urgent Memo at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (96M6e)
Roe v. Wade?
Kelo?
ACA?
See, we expound on the wisdom of the court when it rules in "our" favor, and lambast them when they don't. Rulings in "our" favor usually just uphold the constitution as written and only for the moment (Heller), as the Left will attack from another angle immediately.
Rulings that work against the common understanding of the constitution, change the meaning of that document forever, usually by stripping rights from the individual and the states, and giving power to Leviathan.
Nine punks in robes, in which the hopes and dreams of freedom rest, and yet history indicates otherwise, doesn't it?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (ORvjs)
Thanks a lot, President Bush. It wasn't enough that you drove the party's popularity into the ground and our country's deficits higher than ever before, and paved the way for Obama.
No, you had to give us the last vote to uphold ObamaCare, just to add that final twist of the knife in conservatives' backs.
Posted by: Caiwyn at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (ttktr)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Jay Bee at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (6W8+8)
Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (qxcKC)
Everyone needs to donate $10, just to get the point across
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 06:54 AM (Bxm/r)
Fat fucking lot of good I did trying to educate my fourteen readers about principles and freedom.
I just quit blogging. Fuck this shit.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (BAnPT)
you have to elect him to find out
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: PsychoDad at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (1CKyO)
Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (myanI)
Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (7MyjZ)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (JKNDp)
That was my thought too (no way we get 60 votes in the Senate), but now that this is interpreted as a tax, doesn't that make it a budget issue?
Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (fEXaF)
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (t2cnv)
Then write an amendment that says it has no such power. And don't let the bastards in again.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (rzSn3)
House Republicans streamed into a closed-door meeting, silent and appearing dazed. "We're still digesting it, but it seems pretty disappointing that the government can say now that tax," said Rep. Jim Jordan (R, Ohio).
Rep. Steve LaTourette (R.,Ohio) said that "it's great that the system works -- I think people are surprised that the chief justice was the deciding vote, but I do think it puts to rest this notion that he was going to be a rubber stamp for Republican ideology."
WSJ
"It's great that THE SYSTEM WORKS?" Yeah, these are the guys that are going to repeal this....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Michael at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (Hl5ka)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:55 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (136wp)
the federal government always takes care of the federal government.
But yes, fuck you Roberts. You are dead to me.
Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (qxcKC)
===========
No fucking shit, gawddamn they are gloating.
=============
Let me be very clear here, as clear as I can: There is only one solution to this problem. And I intend to tell every single representative I have. And it is this:
NO STATE RESOURCES SHALL BE USED TO ENFORCE ANY PROVISION OF THE ACA AGAINST ANY CITIZEN OF THIS STATE.
Yes, that means WAR. But it was war they wanted and it is war they shall get.
Get your representatives on the line and make them take this pledge:
Will you promise to enact the following: NO STATE RESOURCES SHALL BE USED TO ENFORCE ANY PROVISION OF THE ACA AGAINST ANY CITIZEN OF THIS STATE.
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (kSaUf)
Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (4I3Uo)
Ultimately, it depends on what "is" is.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (iuHbc)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (kdS6q)
lol
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:56 AM (tw6Ar)
How can they tax you for not buying broccoli???
How much authority is given to the IRS to invade our homes to determine what "tax" should be paid in the future?
Can we get a "no condom" tax going so that Catholics can get jailed?
How about a "no pork chop" tax for observant Jews?
Delightful.
Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (LrHKJ)
Posted by: Aaron at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (Tlix5)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (zrpqj)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (WkuV6)
When they come for me, I will tell them to tell Obama that Commie Fuck to shove it up his wife's pussy.
And, man, will I say that.
Do you already have health insurance? Then you're not subject to the tax.
Want to not pay the tax? First you have to drop your health insurance? Probably for a full year.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (UWp/G)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (BAnPT)
Why anyone would want American citizenship now is beyond me.
We are citizens of the world, comrade!
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 28, 2012 06:57 AM (cUmUy)
This stinks and is suspect.
Here is why.
They level this as a so called, "Tax" to settle the constitutionality of ACA but then state that it isn't a Tax and subject to the Anti-Injuction Act.
This is mental legal yoga and is terribly wrong to uphold something like this under such terms as a tax and then to deligitimize it as a Tax, which is the very thing that caused it to be upheld as "Constitutional."
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (QWOh7)
Bush didn't even want to nominate Alito. He wanted to nominate Harriet Miers, who I would guess would be closer to Roberts' majority op today than Alito's dissent
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (B/yDO)
Taxes can be lowered. Taxes can be eliminated.
Anything that passes muster under the Commerce Clause, however, is forever.
This can still be beaten incrementally, the same way the left passed it.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 28, 2012 06:58 AM (LdD5g)
There is no longer any relevance granted to any constitutional debate. Move beyond the Constitution. That's been Obama's goal from the start, his plan all along, and he has achieved it.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Some dope at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (plNej)
The larger point is the government can do whatever it wants.
Why anyone would want American citizenship now is beyond me.
Posted by: Mr. Walkway at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (e+4ku)
You didn't need SCOTUS to tell you that...they've been doing it for a generation.
Using Government Power to block Government Power doesn't make it any weaker.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (rzSn3)
Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (UWp/G)
Full Repeal the ONLY way to fix ObamaCare, precisely what Republicans are committed to doing. -- McConnell
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (BAnPT)
muwahahaha
Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (tw6Ar)
As if he could find it with a map and a flashlight.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (xiJmL)
"By the way, the opinions collectively are a monster. The Chief's opinion is 59 pages, Justice Ginsburg's opinion is 61 pages, the four dissenters are 65 pages, followed by a short two-pager from Justice Thomas. You do the math."
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (B/yDO)
Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (20NzC)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 06:59 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (d6QMz)
How does that help employers when all their employees think they "deserve" to have free health coverage? The employer gets screwed over by paying the higher taxes when his or her employees take the free stuff and don't pay the tax because they don't make enough.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (i3OIF)
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (QWOh7)
If Roberts doesn't flip, you've got a 6-3 opinion. Unassultable, and not a 5-4 to complain about.
So...erg...erg...what happened?
Volokh has an answer to that: http://t.co/krBr57AP
Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (22rSN)
DOUBLE taxation
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (BAnPT)
And they're running through their hidden tunnels to waiting armored cars to whisk them away to Reagan National, to GTFO of town before they're mobbed.
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (HzR5W)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (WkuV6)
Okay, Boehner. Where is that immediate repeal of Obamacare vote - for whatever it's worth?
Posted by: Marybeth
Sorry, No can do.
But here, have a student loan and a farm subsidy,
Posted by: John Boehner
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (kdS6q)
They sure as shit fooled me about John Roberts when he was nominated. He's dead to me. Fucking douchenozzle.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (m193R)
Posted by: Sapper331 at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (Fy6Km)
@Bill Mitchell,
I'm not willing to characterize this as a huge win yet, but I mostly agree with your points.
The Democrats can no longer say this tax really isn't a tax. Americans don't want higher taxes and this gives conservatives an advantage. The middle class and the not-so-middle class won't be suckered into believing that the "rich" are going to pay for healthcare.
The court properly put the issue back into the realm of politics instead of creating a right out of whole cloth as they did with Roe v. Wade. Unpopular laws can influence elections.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbitt at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (hzV1U)
OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (SzAZ7)
It is officially now a tax increase. You own it Barry. Have fun with that.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (9KqcB)
Romney had better come out very strongly against this.
We'll hear a whole lot. Words (mostly false ones) are all we'll hear. Romney got this ball rolling with Masshole Care.
I haven't been this angry in a long, long time. GODDAMMIT!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (obXkJ)
...not the funemployed ones.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:00 AM (/kI1Q)
We are doomed.
Why , exactly, did you ever expect anything else?
Posted by: The Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (HNn1q)
"On Day One" ... day two, day three...
"Promise them anything. Just get their votes." -- Romney '08
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Lauren at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (hNLFW)
I *thought* that was a typo.
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (HzR5W)
Posted by: Spike at June 28, 2012 07:01 AM (OHvic)
...and that's as far as it gets. And the squishy middle hates Republicans for lying to them about repeal.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (/kI1Q)
This just doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel right to a lot of folks.
Funny the inside the beltway crowd is celebrating. Sure, all my friends there have jobs and government provided health care. Of course they cheer, they are all exempt from any of this.
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (Hj9yW)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (iuHbc)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 07:02 AM (0VqvZ)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (136wp)
No libtard can ever again say this court is extreme right.
The congress has been limited in Commerce Clause power.
Obama can now be called a liar on "no taxes for the middle class" for the rest of the election cycle, dragging the rest of the demsluts down with him. To say it isn't a tax then send lawyers to court to call it taxes, then have the Supreme Court put TAX in bold, is a big talking point.
States can opt out, which will prevent the liberal dream "universal health care".
Republicans are fired up, and hopefully the next congress will start impeaching some judges, and will more carefully scrutinize judicial appointments.
The bad news:
More confusion for employers, which means the economy doesn't get the boost that defeating Obamacare would have provided. But if this causes Romney to surge, that will boost the stock market and economy.
Posted by: Smarty at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (u5y7Y)
Even on this dire occasion some moron comments forth and demands
"Pics or it didn't happen"
Posted by: DaveA at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (EyTMo)
Obamacare, the largest tax increase in American History!!!
Posted by: JimK at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (jLgIs)
Not just thrown in jail, but done so using the abbreviated "due process" of the tax courts.
Posted by: Jean
The court without that boring presumption of innocence.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 07:03 AM (jucos)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (oZfic)
Yes, the economy is going to take a nosedive (no, libs, that isn't the big win part -- we all lose when the economy goes) at least for the next few months. But there will be endless opportunities to explain WHY the economy is nosediving just at this point, and here we are just a few months from November. And endless opportunities to point out that the SC said this was a TAX that Obama had sworn we wouldn't see a dime of. Also, Romney will be forced to full on recommit himself to repeal, over and over and over. Remember: this still isn't a popular law.
We're going to win on Nov 6.
IF, and I mean IF -- we don't lose focus, we keep up our efforts and we don't lose hope. Pray. Chin up, people. And get to work.
Posted by: Eviva at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (ncBGw)
Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 11:00 =================================================
This. The whole thing was a really tax from the beginning...or why have the IRS in charge of it? Did we all miss that point? That said, then aren't all those waivers illegal?
Posted by: Deanna at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (efQBX)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (0VqvZ)
Posted by: Stuff Shakespeare said or not at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (+tbfW)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (136wp)
If it's not a government job, it's not a real job anyway, remember....
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (/kI1Q)
Might as well rely on the fox to watch the chickens.
Posted by: sifty at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (p39GY)
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 07:04 AM (t2cnv)
Well, this kind of explains the frantic fundraising King Putt has been doing.
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (xiJmL)
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (obXkJ)
But that's based on Romney defeating the "fariness" and class warfare arguments? How are we supposed to beat one of Obama's most popular arguments. If Roberts was trying to be clever here, that is a really crappy way to screw with the country when could have just voted against the thing.
Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (i3OIF)
Well, my little one-CPA firm has been growing steadily, and yesterday I signed a new lease to double my office.
I have 3 days to cancel the contract, and I am now thinking about doing so because of this atrosity.
Why do I want to expand and hire anyone other than family, which is all I have on staff now? Who knows what other ridiculous crap is coming down the pike?
Our only hope - God help us - is now Romney & a bunch of spineless GOP jellyfish?
Ugh. I just want to hide under a rock.
I need my head examined for thinking my business will continue to grow, when our government is doing everything it can to keep it down.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (HOOye)
Congress writes bills. Congress repeals bills.
Posted by: Pharaoh at June 28, 2012 07:05 AM (BAnPT)
You currently get a tax break if you have an electric vehicle (from the private sector). That's no different than saying, your tax rate is 99% comrade, unless you own an electric vehicle, then it's just 25%.
It's coercive beyond the pale and unAmerican, But if you can 'lay taxes' (and deductions), then you have the authority to do so. Technically.
'Activity' judges are also supposed to take a look at the big picture and say "WTF!" They didn't.
So we temporarily stop them on the CC (and this MAY be a good win on the CC), but now we shift the fight to the taxsation power which will be harder since they had the chance to say this was coercive but didn't (as the Med provision was coercive).
Fucking messed up ruling from all angles. Need to read it later.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (Asr6U)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (IhUxK)
I think you mean the Death Tribunal's Shock Troops.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (rzSn3)
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (0VqvZ)
Do we really need 60 votes now that it's a tax?
Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 07:06 AM (fEXaF)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 07:07 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Michael at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (Hl5ka)
Posted by: Stirner at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (nTjSs)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (UZQM8)
Take a fucking breath, people and file this under "people suck." You want to be pissed at someone, be pissed at Roberts. He did this.
In a few hours I think we'll see that the dems are in a very shitty place right now.
I believe that the mandate will have to go back to the house for a rewording with TAX written all over it. Good luck with that.
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: sifty at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (p39GY)
If Romney's people have two brain cells to rub together, the ad is half in the can by now.
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 07:08 AM (xiJmL)
Is there anything else this goddamned government can take away from me? NAFTA took my fucking job away and gave it some Mexican. Now this shit. I'm so fucking glad I'm old and won't be around much longer. I've never been so mad at the assholes in Washington.
And the worse part of it is, what the Commies swore they'd do to us back in the fifties and sixties, they did. Every fucking bit of it. They took over the media, Hollywood, the schools and the colleges and produced a nation full of drooling fucking imbeciles who couldn't understand plain English if their lives depended on it.
America died today. I feel sick.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (d0Tfm)
The party's over,
It's time to call it a day,
No matter how you pretend, you knew it would end
This way. . . .
http://preview.tinyurl.com/72cvcjb
Posted by: Beverly at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (DcMxM)
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (0VqvZ)
It's 110 fucking degrees out there.
>>Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of unintended conscequences!
All the consequences of this pile of shit are intended.
Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (136wp)
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 07:09 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (UZQM
Great - then Prez Romney can give waivers too. Like to his donors.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (rzSn3)
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (QWOh7)
The ACA is DEAD under the Commerce Clause!
The tax CAN be eliminated.
How hard is that to understand?
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (7+pP9)
I want to weep. There were tears coming out of my eyes this morning.
Fuck you Congress, Fuck you Obama, Burn in hell.
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 07:10 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (myanI)
Posted by: John at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (KSeSW)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (UZQM8)
I damn well agree with you! After today I will NEVER put up with a single progressive trait from a politician!
Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 07:11 AM (UWp/G)
"869 it will expand until in November, like in 1980, we removed a dimwit from the presidency, and we got Ronald Reagan."
Only this time if we remove a dimwit, we get someone who as governor supported mandates in his own state.
Good luck with that line of thinking.
Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (WR5xI)
**The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.**
This.
People have little idea of how much that clause has bee abused to create the modern welfare state. The Left lost its most potent weapson.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (9KqcB)
Watch for more companies to donate to him for a waiver. The silver lining you are reaching for has a big ass streak mark of corruption on it.
If I am not mistaken they cannot grant waivers indefinitely. I think that the period for granting waivers has already elapsed and the waivers themselves were only good for a year or two.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (JxMoP)
The point being this bill has a big ass incentive for Congress to keep it around, like indulgences...
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (UZQM
Only works if waivers are hard to get.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (rzSn3)
I'm afraid that I don't agree with all the folks who think this helps Romney. It might steer a few far-right holdouts into holding theirs noses and pulling the lever come November, but the sheep will know only one thing: Obama won on this.
And if there's one thing the sheep love to do, it's side with a winner. Pessimistic? Sure, but you'll have to excuse me. I - along with you and our zombie forefathers - just got ass-raped by the Chief Justice of the United States of America.
Posted by: TiredWench at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (oPceJ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 07:12 AM (9TTOe)
Our Republic died today. You can keep feeding the corpse if you like.
Posted by: goozer at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (vsmH2)
If any of you think this thing will ever be defunded or repealed you are out of your fucking minds. That has never happened in the history of the republic and it won't happen now. The ratchet only turns one way and once you have a massive entitlement you have it forever until bankruptcy do us part..
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Posted by: Voluble at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (eOimU)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (HS3dy)
All that "if you don't eat your broccoli, we will tax you" shit is whatever, but unfortunately if you have a D after your name and are the correct hue you will be exempt from any and all fines relating to Obamacare, it's that simple. We'll continue to pay for those that don't want to, just calling it a different name, and the payments will be much much bigger.
Posted by: Jaimo at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (9U1OG)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (UZQM
Not really - Congress can't grant waivers, it is the President only.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (rzSn3)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (JKNDp)
Posted by: Psycotte at June 28, 2012 07:13 AM (Hk10/)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM =============================================================
Big mistake if he does. Why would you brag about being the biggest tax increasing President and admit you lied about it? I agree with others, this was a shrewd move by SCOTUS. Making it a tax raises all kinds of opportunities for us to win and win big and repeal much more easily. And it keeps the courts in kine so they don't practice activism. There's a whole lot here that we need to focus on. Oh, and didn't anyone wonder why Kennedy dissented? He knew making it a tax would blow up the whole thing.
Posted by: Deanna at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (efQBX)
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (zTMxL)
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 07:14 AM (IhUxK)
Posted by: kathysaysso at June 28, 2012 07:16 AM (7nu1g)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 07:16 AM (ejmiE)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:16 AM (136wp)
Fucktard roberts SCOAMF Blower had to reach for that justification, it is NOT a tax, was not sold as a tax and SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MAGICALLY ALLOWED TO BE PASSED THE WAY IT WAS AND TRANSFORM INTO "just a tax:"....
I am literally to the point of foreswearing subsidizing the army of thieves on Capitol Hill and engaging in the "Ace of Spades Lifestyle" on the Federales dime
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 07:16 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (9KqcB)
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HE. DOESN'T. CARE! It is all going according to his plan.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 11:06 AM (jucos)
First, it's not HIS plan. He hasn't proposed anything that Democrats haveing been talking about for DECADES. People need to drop the pretend shock that this guy is different.
Second, I don't care if cares. He only has one more election left in his life and he has to win it to keep moving the country leftward. This makes it harder.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 07:17 AM (WkuV6)
Also, I don't expect to see JEF crowing and bragging about this. There will be a statement but it will be subdued. His people can read the polls and when roughly 70% of the people hate the mandate he'll not choose to rub their noses in it.
Pelosi, on the other hand, will be spiking the football.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (JxMoP)
Anyone who voted for this piece of shit SCOAMF is persona non grata to me. Fuck 'em.
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 07:18 AM (iuHbc)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (9TTOe)
And, man, will I say that.
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (IhUxK)
Er, uh, she doesn't have that type of equipment.
Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (tQHzJ)
People have little idea of how much that clause has bee abused to create the modern welfare state. The Left lost its most potent weapson.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (9KqcB)
And that's an excellent thing.
The ACA will eventually be dismantled.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (7+pP9)
from SCOTUS live blog
What's up this afternoon? Holder not being held in contempt of congress?
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (oZfic)
The most depressing part of this is that I didn't vote for ONE GODDAMN BIT OF THIS SHIT.
How fucking stupid was I to actually think I had any input in my own fucking country's future?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (d0Tfm)
Stop talking about this being a win! There is no WIN in losing your fucking freedoms even if you manage to make it temporary!
It is not a win. And further more, my boiling frog friends, expecting a total repeal is ludicrous. Remember how sure people were that the court would do the right thing? Well that's how sure you are right now. Ridiculous.
Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (FU9ql)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 07:19 AM (XYqoq)
mp... were you the one who told the story about your phone call with the insurance company a few months ago? The one about everything being primed to go to shit on January 1, 2013?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (+4Ho1)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (DRG6e)
I've never been on board with this tree of liberty thing, but, today, . . . shit.
Whatever happened to common-sense? If I were a judge, I wouldn't have upheld it on this tax justification. I would make the Progs pay for lying about whether it's "a tax." "You said it wasn't a tax, so you can't argue now that it is. In short, fuck off."
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 07:20 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (20NzC)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (KvKOu)
Posted by: John at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (KSeSW)
Posted by: FPW at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (BDNF5)
Beck: Heck with it. Homeland Security, bring it on.
(He then went on to describe how they tried to bankrupt his 8/28 event in D.C. He said Holder is doing the same thing for his Dallas event next month.)
Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 07:21 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:22 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 07:22 AM (iuHbc)
This will not be repealed.
I think parts of it will be repealed but not the stuff that focus groups like. Unfortunately, that stuff is also toxic. The whole thing needs to go but it won't.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: sifty at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (p39GY)
THIS^^^^
Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (UWp/G)
Posted by: Michael at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (Hl5ka)
Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 07:23 AM (20NzC)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (136wp)
Posted by: conservative mom in md at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (4fepB)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 07:24 AM (QWOh7)
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 07:25 AM (136wp)
And the worse part of it is, what the Commies swore they'd do to us back in the fifties and sixties, they did. Every fucking bit of it. They took over the media, Hollywood, the schools and the colleges and produced a nation full of drooling fucking imbeciles who couldn't understand plain English if their lives depended on it.
America died today. I feel sick.
Pretty much, yup.
Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (Umv2b)
Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (/7gN/)
Let's have fun with this new novel tax power!
Since tax power supercedes other portions of the constituion... we can do things otherwise prohibitted. According to the majority opinion, all that needs to happen for a tax to be valid is for the law to create a "condition" that triggers the new tax.
How about owning a handgun triggering a $4,000 or 10% of your income (whichever is higher) tax?
Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (ihSa7)
Wish I had time for this this morning.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (X/+QT)
Flood for thought.
Unless proven otherwise, there will no more VA Healthcare System. The buildings and medical personnel will ne needed. The veterans will be included (folded into) with the moochers and illegals.
Vets receving VA Healthcare, get while the getting is good.
Posted by: las at June 28, 2012 07:27 AM (YIbyF)
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:16 AM (
If it wasn't a tax why was the IRS in charge of it? It is and was a tax just like Medicare and Social Security. Come on who didn't know that? Obama scammed us but it backfired on him. He now has to admit it is a tax.
Posted by: Deanna at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (efQBX)
Last thing baracka wanted is for obamacare to be unmasked as a huge tax, even though they were forced to argue for it as one before the court
Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (WR5xI)
Posted by: EROWMER at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (sIm3i)
if you're Anglic why not go back to the Motherland I like ElizabethII and if I am destined to be a subject I far prefer her to Jugears I the Stutterer.....?
The international left wants to regulate us into oblivion....
I am now wishing gloabal warming hysterics were right so i could live in Antarctica
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 07:28 AM (LRFds)
P.S. Isn't this Romney's ideology as well?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 28, 2012 07:29 AM (sSrfb)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 07:31 AM (i330i)
But the pre-existing conditions sobfest stays in and that is what destroys private insurance - pushing us towards what the Libs want, single-payer. Or, more accurately, taxpayer-paid health insurance.
Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 11:17 AM (WkuV6)
My brother got insurance that covered his pre-existing condition before the ACA. He had to hunt for it and it cost him a lot but was worth it.
Does the ACA require insurance companies to insure pre-existing conditions for the same price as people without pre-existing conditions? I don't think so.
So I don't think this will necessarily kill the insurance industry.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (UWp/G)
“We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again.”
-- Nathanael Greene
No... he meant actual fighting.
Not giving money to the bastards who were raping him and then grousing about it.
Americans are too pussy for that kind of thing today. The home of the brave is padded in foam rubber and enforces seat belt laws and soda bans. Mostly we just like to flatter ourselves with lies.
Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at June 28, 2012 07:32 AM (DD2Ty)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 07:33 AM (ejmiE)
Roberts essentially just told the libs they can do what they want lie to everyone involved about what a bill is and he will cover down for them as long as it can by any stretch of the imagination be justified under Taxing.....
1) Muslims got a pass on it for their religion
2) Catholics got told by the self-appointed Mocha Pope "fuck your faith do what I say"
Equal Protection anyone?
You can now be forced to do business with a class of vendor or be taxed for the act of breathing.....
You have not "added to rocketing costs" until you have actually 'added to rocketing costs" I for one will not engage in any cancer fighting medical use if the survivability is sub 50%....it is a waste of money and I am dying at home not in a hospital bed.....
guess what doesn't matter if I don't want to be forced to pay Uncle Sugar "sin tax" on not being insured I should have followed Roe v Wade and been aborted....
we are not free to try to avoid the system anymore.....
if bambi gets back in and granny McRictus gets back the gavel they can engage in ANY social engineering they like with an unequally applied tax code now thanks to roberts.....
so yeah fuck him and the leftbat wing
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 07:33 AM (LRFds)
"Our Republic died today. You can keep feeding the corpse if you like."
If we don't win the White House, the Senate, and keep the House....it pretty much will be dead. Same name, same land mass, but a different country.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 07:34 AM (HTAoH)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (iuHbc)
Best wishes to all of you in the US - we've had universal medical insurance (taxpayer funded) since the 1970s here in OZ
We also have a choice of buying private health insurance - about 40% of Aussies have private insurance and many get a rebate unless they're in a high income bracket
We pay a Medicare levy on top of tax - about %1.5 I think with exemptions for low income workers
I'm finding this debate very interesting because I can't remember much fuss when it was introduced here
I can imagine there will be a lot of $$$$ flowing to Mitt Romney's campaign HQ right now
Posted by: aussie at June 28, 2012 07:35 AM (pXUCj)
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 28, 2012 07:36 AM (hrb5d)
960
"Equal protection anyone"
We lost that with Eric Holder. According to him, hate crimes committed against caucasians don't count.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 07:36 AM (HTAoH)
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 11:22 AM (oZfic)
Strip away the separate governmment program as step 1.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:37 AM (rzSn3)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (i330i)
agreed....
the cat has been overtly out of the bag for a good while....
Roberts just gave it the cover of the law....
if your GOP congresscritter doesn't vote to take down Ogabe's chief enabler today and you vote for him in november you are an idiot people.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 07:38 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: The Liberty Dude at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (iAWQF)
Posted by: roy at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (9uwhv)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 07:40 AM (i330i)
EXACTLY that is why I am so pissed off.....
basically the democrats ignored every procedure in the book to get the thing through.....
Pelosi got away with jedi mindtricking the whole country....
this monstrosity was NEVER PASSED BY TAX PROCEDURE
Roberts is a moron
treasonous asshammer>>
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 07:41 AM (LRFds)
Marco Rubio: IT'S A HUGE TAX INCREASE AND THE IRS WILL BE AFTER YOU.
Oh yes, it has begun. He's focusing on the IRS angle - " ... millions of Americans will be at war with the IRS, chased by the IRS."
Posted by: joanne is calming down now at June 28, 2012 07:42 AM (GCsZz)
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 07:43 AM (Umv2b)
Posted by: roy at June 28, 2012 11:40 AM (9uwhv)
Ticky-tac. If the mandate and a huge tax aren't enough to repeal it, this nit wou't do the job.
The Dred Scott decision made the Republican platform unconstitutional. The GOP said fuck you, and won.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:43 AM (rzSn3)
943
If I hear someone talk to me about Jeb Bush being a good VP pick, or a Presidential nominee in the future, I will vomit on them and ask them to pay for my lost lunch.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 07:44 AM (HTAoH)
When have Republicans ever overturned a major supreme court decision? I'm thinking never. With socialized medicine fully implemented America no longer exists as a free nation.
Posted by: Harold at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (JKNLp)
trust the wolf to police the wolf....
Roberts just joined the wolves....
he said "ok you guys passed this as a tax" and no sold the entire procedural line of thought....
if boehner had ANY balls he'd pass a bill scrapping the Tax on a simple majority vote, and dare Harry reid to try to allow a filibuster on it....
I am seeing red right now because I fear at last this is the final proof I have always dreaded that the GOP and DNC are not light and darkness but simply shades of dark.....
they are not the untouchables and the capones they are in fact the Genovese and Gambinos
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 07:46 AM (Ky1+e)
Posted by: Xena the warrior princess's hot grandmother at June 28, 2012 07:48 AM (OMod2)
Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 07:48 AM (obXkJ)
-Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (knMIa)
The Fair Tax movement may need to ponder how this new development affects the plan. Congress may not be able to raise taxes under the plan, but apparently now has the authority to require you to buy more stuff.
Posted by: Eddie Willers at June 28, 2012 07:48 AM (bRdb3)
Posted by: Haze Gray at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (oDybj)
Um...wait. then it couldn't be heard since the tax hasn't been levied. WTF!!!!
So they just invalidated the tax anti-injunction jurisprudence?
I'm getting confused.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 07:49 AM (X/+QT)
And, as a spending measure, will it only take 50 members of the Senate to uphold it?
If we get enough senators this November, it seems like we should be able to strangle this monstrosity in the crib.
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 07:50 AM (7+pP9)
982 realityman,
and as the leftards are suddenly in love with roberts you can count on them wailing that ANY procedural irreuglarities are 'a coup d'tat"
Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 07:50 AM (LRFds)
I'm thinking he didn't come out the second the ruling came down because he had to retweak his speech. Hopefully in the direction of IT'S A TAX. /Ackbar
Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 07:50 AM (xiJmL)
I see the collective head of all liberty loving Americans swiveling from SCOTUS to congress. With fire in their eyes. Didn't Carville say the Tea Party was dead? He ain't seen nothing yet.
Posted by: joanne is getting fired up now at June 28, 2012 07:51 AM (GCsZz)
The problem now is with this precedent, as long as they can call it a tax they still get unlimited power.
On the possible plus side, Romney can energize the base and maybe sway some independents running on a "Reform Obamacare" campaign. Dodges the tricky question of what he'd put to replace it, lets him run on the more general platform.
Posted by: SOCR at June 28, 2012 07:55 AM (RTNve)
Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 08:00 AM (uRPLL)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 28, 2012 08:03 AM (Y5I9o)
So what other parts of the ACA were not ruled upon? Exchanges and the other 2499 pages? If the mandate is not CC-valid, what about the infrastructure it funded? That infrastructure is just funded by an, ahem, tax...what's it's justification/authority?
Where are the court cases?
Damn. So many f'n questions!!!!
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 08:05 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Ezra's Equal at June 28, 2012 08:06 AM (hrb5d)
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Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 08:06 AM (TULs6)
Decisions are being made, none of which will help Obama's chances.
Businesses would have been waiting to decide to start up or locate in the US.
There are a lot of phones not ringing to hire the 50th employee.
A lot of businesses were waiting for this to make the decision as to whether or not to drop health insurance for employees. Catholic institutions, for example. The announcements should come and the meme develop at just the right time in election season.
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Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (hq0VE)
No he doesn't. SCOAMF lies. He always lies. You think he'll start telling the truth now? He & Pelosi & all those other commie bastards in the Dems will go right on calling it not-a-tax, because they know the LSM will never call them on their bullshit. They'll simply trumpet this as the biggest win for Dems in generations, that they were right all along, and weren't those evil Republicans wrong to stand in the way, and the LSM will go right along with them.
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