June 05, 2012
— Ace I saw this movie on Sunday, and am still writing a review. Overall, I'd say three stars.
Conservatives need to ask themselves why they're not seeing it. The show I attended, late afternoon on Sunday, was no more than 8% filled. About 13 people there (I counted) in a theater that holds around 150.
You can't bitch that Hollywood doesn't make conservatively-themed movies and then not show up to support it with cash-money dollars when someone does.
In addition, it's a good movie. It's got a lot of flaws (which I'll mention in my review), but the story is compelling.
If you don't know the story (and I bet few did): In 1927, an atheist takes over as president of socialist Mexico (the revolution had been ten years earlier) and begins, as they do, imposing a host of noxious anti-clerical laws. Socialists often hate religion from the jump, and have no modesty about the ambitious of government -- government, in their view, exists to make people better, including by coercive law, and in their view religion is a stupid superstition and therefore "making people better" means driving the religion out of them.
Beyond that impulse, they often believe the Vatican is reactionary/conservative, and despise the fact that "agents of a foreign power" have any capacity to challenge socialist government officials in the battle of ideas.
A rebellion rises up, with intellectuals and priests pushing an economic boycott to bring down the government, and riders out in the hillside taking a more... direct approach. Andy Garcia plays a gifted general (he defeated the bandit lord Zapata) now in soft-bellied retirement, overseeing a plant that makes... pink decorative soaps. Although he himself is an atheist, his wife and children are devoutly Catholic, and he supports religious liberty. In theory -- he just doesn't think anyone should make any waves about it.
The League for the Defense of Religious Liberty (yes, it was called that, or just "the League") hires him. And they do stress "hire" -- his compensation package is detailed. So this mercenary atheist general takes command of the disorganized rebels, and tries to shape them into some kind of effective fighting force.
So it's Braveheart in 1920's Mexico, with an overtly religious theme. Plus, lots of stuff about freedom. (A lot.)
I have problems with the film -- mostly structural problems with the script, big-picture problems, as opposed to carping about this line of dialogue or that -- but it's a big, worthy film, and it's about resistance in the face of socialist persecution and anti-religious zealotry, and freedom, and family, and yes, about faith too.
So why haven't you seen it?
Film is a business. Hollywood makes lots of gory zombie films because in 70 years only a handful of gory zombie movies have failed to make money. They're profitable.
So, make the sort of film you say you'd like Hollywood to make profitable. It cracked the top ten, but the "top ten" doesn't make producers' eyes pop.
Given the demographic of the movie, and the fact that theaters aren't packed to the rafters, the typical hassles associated with the theater -- unruly teenagers, long waits, bad seats -- aren't present. The only crowd noise I had to deal with in my screening was a couple of older men talking about socialism during the trailers.
Oh: I guess I didn't make it clear what kind of movie this is (and the limited advertisements didn't either). It's a war movie. It's about the Cristero War, and the war is depicted. Like, that thing about the intellectuals? That's the first 20 minutes. After that, it's war.
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 05, 2012 12:21 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 05, 2012 12:21 PM (famk3)
Posted by: buzzion at June 05, 2012 12:23 PM (GULKT)
If I want to listen to dumb bitches yammer f-this and n-that into their cellphones, I can use the ladies' room at work. For free.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 05, 2012 12:23 PM (ZKzrr)
Maybe next we'll get reviews of his movie reviews.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 05, 2012 12:23 PM (8y9MW)
I saw this movie on Sunday, and am still writing a review.
Uh oh. We're in trouble. He's still writing...
No pixel is safe.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 05, 2012 12:23 PM (d0Tfm)
I don't go to movies to reenforce my conservative values, I go to be entertained.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 05, 2012 12:23 PM (I/Xad)
Posted by: George Lucas at June 05, 2012 12:23 PM (QKKT0)
government, in their view, exists to make people better, including by coercive law
Which is why we get laws against 32 oz. Big Gulps and required broccoli eating.
Posted by: MTF at June 05, 2012 12:24 PM (B5y+v)
Posted by: Parteagirl at June 05, 2012 12:24 PM (6j7PV)
I'll never understand the appeal of any movie that isn't featured in MST3K.
Posted by: garrett at June 05, 2012 12:25 PM (ZMtia)
You can't tell a story without a ton of that shit.
Posted by: George Lucas at June 05, 2012 04:23 PM (QKKT0)
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YOU cant tell one with em either Georgie.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 05, 2012 12:25 PM (C8hzL)
Which is why, when a movie is good, it should get your dollars in the theater.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 05, 2012 12:25 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: George Lucas at June 05, 2012 04:23 PM (QKKT0
****
tell me about it!
Posted by: Michael Bay at June 05, 2012 12:25 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: relygro at June 05, 2012 12:26 PM (8kDnI)
This. Preachy and right-wing is still preachy.
But I'm not going to opine of "For Greater Glory". My movie habits now consist of watching them on Netflix.
Speaking of: "The Way", which got good press over at BigHollywood, is now on Netflix.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 05, 2012 12:26 PM (bjRNS)
It's about fighting for freedom of religion. No liberal would be caught watching this film in a theater.
Posted by: mpfs at June 05, 2012 12:27 PM (iYbLN)
With Eva Longoria in the cast, I would have thought .
Wait...is this a Gloryhole themed film?
Because I'd fast forward through it to watch Eva Longoria at the hole.
Posted by: garrett at June 05, 2012 12:27 PM (ZMtia)
Posted by: Cicero at June 05, 2012 12:27 PM (QKKT0)
Well, a Braveheart in Mexico with horseback combat and Maxim machine-guns (well, one Maxim machine-gun).
And a guy who gets the nickname "El Catorce" (The Fourteen), because he kills fourteen government troops single-handedly when they surround his hideout.
Turns out, he's real.
Posted by: ace at June 05, 2012 12:27 PM (aw5Tx)
Posted by: Movie fan at June 05, 2012 12:27 PM (gI9Bk)
Posted by: momma at June 05, 2012 12:27 PM (sYijI)
*****
How truly awful that he has no found himself where he is today.
When Parker and Stone go out their way to be MORE offensive than usual, just to make a point, then things are baaaad.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 12:27 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: toby928© at June 05, 2012 12:28 PM (NG097)
So, you wouldn't say that he had a plethora of machine guns?
Posted by: El Guapo at June 05, 2012 12:28 PM (QKKT0)
yeah that wasn't good. The music guy, James Horner (I think) is like a real industry pro. But the music here was so generic. Kind of movie-of-the-week level.
Posted by: ace at June 05, 2012 12:29 PM (aw5Tx)
I'm not saying I won't see this movie(actually I am saying that), I'm saying I do not need some movie to validate my beliefs, like liberals apparently do.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 05, 2012 12:29 PM (I/Xad)
Usually music helps a film along but in this movie it was a distraction.
Why is all mexican music a polka? I've never understood this.
Posted by: garrett at June 05, 2012 12:30 PM (ZMtia)
Braveheart?
Sounds like it's a lot like 'The Patriot', too.
Posted by: wheatie at June 05, 2012 04:29 PM (BmcaR)
The Patriot is Braveheart in America.
Posted by: buzzion at June 05, 2012 12:30 PM (GULKT)
I'll never understand the appeal of any movie that isn't featured in MST3K.
"I like pie!" -Timechasers
Posted by: wooga at June 05, 2012 12:30 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 05, 2012 12:30 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 05, 2012 12:32 PM (I/Xad)
Tom Hanks, from Bosom Buddies.
Posted by: wooga at June 05, 2012 12:32 PM (vjyZP)
Listen, the plot was half a mess, but I'd still call it a good movie because it was so darn moving and inspiring. Plus Peter O'Toole's performance and the performance of the kid playing Jose were amazing. Beautiful filming and good score too.
I'm not Catholic but I didn't feel preached at.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 05, 2012 12:32 PM (epBek)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 05, 2012 12:32 PM (0vc7K)
Posted by: nickless at June 05, 2012 12:32 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Soona - banned and doesn't know why at June 05, 2012 12:33 PM (5FUS8)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 05, 2012 12:34 PM (8y9MW)
You can't bitch that Hollywood doesn't make conservatively-themed movies and then not show up to support it with cash-money dollars when someone does.
The marketing on this has been *awful* just utterly utterly utterly *awful*. If I didn't know what this was about, I would have assumed it was pro-La Raza.
I'll give Andy Garcia this, though, he has huge brass ones. Between this and the anti-Castro movie The Lost City (which was really good), he's really going against the prevailing Hollywood mindset. He was asked if he was afraid of what this role would do to his career and I believe his response was, pretty much, FYNQ.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 05, 2012 12:34 PM (VtjlW)
Anyone wanna go? We can get a beer before or after (maybe, I think they roll up the sidewalks by 9).
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 05, 2012 12:34 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 05, 2012 04:32 PM (I/Xad)
No its not. Its Awesome! http://tinyurl.com/ce32gxv
Posted by: Beluga Whale at June 05, 2012 12:34 PM (GULKT)
That's a bit far for me.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 05, 2012 12:35 PM (8y9MW)
Ditto, but I did go all the way to Fort Worth to watch Atlas Shrugged. Ace needs to tell us in the big review whether it rises to the level of drive 100 miles to see it.
Posted by: Bob Saget at June 05, 2012 12:35 PM (SDkq3)
It did. I guess I didn't make it clear: It's a war movie.
Posted by: ace at June 05, 2012 12:35 PM (aw5Tx)
Posted by: GuyinLondon at June 05, 2012 12:35 PM (dniUc)
Ace won't notice it, of course, but maybe enough of the others will that we can get you freed.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Free Soona! at June 05, 2012 12:36 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Grant S at June 05, 2012 12:36 PM (dsCnE)
Posted by: Paladin at June 05, 2012 12:36 PM (hxLER)
Peter O'Toole is still around?
Posted by: eleven at June 05, 2012 12:36 PM (KXm42)
That was more a rhetorical question aimed at Emperor of Icecream. I think sometimes people forget that the point of a good war/action movie is not the dialog or even the plot: it's explosions and bloodshed.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Free Soona! at June 05, 2012 12:37 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jimbo at June 05, 2012 12:37 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: The People of Brattleboro, Vermont at June 05, 2012 12:37 PM (48wze)
Posted by: Soona - banned and doesn't know why at June 05, 2012 12:37 PM (5FUS8)
Posted by: dananjcon at June 05, 2012 12:38 PM (eavT+)
Posted by: Anna Wintour: Crones for Obama at June 05, 2012 12:38 PM (c3mby)
Typical Texas wimp.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 05, 2012 12:38 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: irright at June 05, 2012 12:39 PM (RzLbD)
Posted by: Jimbo at June 05, 2012 12:39 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: John Morris at June 05, 2012 12:39 PM (sCRhB)
Hey. I'll drive 3 hours to Abilene just for dinner (well, actually, when I lived out there I'd make the reverse drive), but Indiana is a bit far.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Free Soona! at June 05, 2012 12:40 PM (8y9MW)
****
Salma Hayek?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 12:40 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Soona - banned and doesn't know why at June 05, 2012 04:37 PM (5FUS
**
Cuz shut up thats why!!
Posted by: Pixy in a bad ass mood BITCHES at June 05, 2012 12:40 PM (eavT+)
Posted by: Cricket at June 05, 2012 12:40 PM (DrC22)
Film is a business.
What % of movies make a profit? How lucrative is the tax write off for investors?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 05, 2012 12:41 PM (mFxQX)
If this was at the Tibbs, I'd be more interested in going.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 05, 2012 12:41 PM (ZKzrr)
36 Braveheart? Sounds like it's a lot like 'The Patriot', too.
Posted by: wheatie at June 05, 2012 04:29 PM (BmcaR)
The Patriot is Braveheart in America.
Posted by: buzzion at June 05, 2012 04:30 PM (GULKT)
Yeah. ....And in both of those movies, Mel Gibson's character tried to stay out of it, until it became personal...for him.
I'm guessing that in this movie....there reaches a point where Garcia's character becomes more personally invested in 'fighting for freedom', than just being paid to do it?
Maybe someone who has seen it knows.
I don't think this would be a spoiler.
Posted by: wheatie at June 05, 2012 12:41 PM (BmcaR)
It's the boycott that provokes the government into even more violent repression, and then that sparks off the larger war.
Posted by: ace at June 05, 2012 12:42 PM (aw5Tx)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 05, 2012 12:42 PM (C8mVl)
Hmm. Do tell.
Posted by: The Wizard of Axelrod at June 05, 2012 12:43 PM (QKKT0)
Yes. They thought about shooting it in Spanish, but decided that they'd play to the lowest common denominator instead.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 05, 2012 12:43 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: Benson at June 05, 2012 12:43 PM (qzcNU)
"Ace is now writing pre-reviews of his movie reviews."
By year's end, he'll write post-review recaps of his reviews, as well. Ultimately, he'll begin writing reviews of our comments.
Posted by: reason at June 05, 2012 12:43 PM (sPO/s)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 05, 2012 12:43 PM (mFxQX)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 04:40 PM (piMMO)
**
Yeah, Selma is certainly more tolerable. Nicer boobehs too!!
Posted by: dananjcon at June 05, 2012 12:43 PM (eavT+)
****
Not mention that Longoria is a terrible actress, and this is from someone who thinks Lindsey Lohan is a good actress.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 12:43 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: ace at June 05, 2012 12:44 PM (aw5Tx)
Posted by: Jimbo at June 05, 2012 12:45 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Benson at June 05, 2012 12:45 PM (qzcNU)
Then she disappears, because he's at war, and she's presumably in hiding.
Posted by: ace at June 05, 2012 12:45 PM (aw5Tx)
"I really, really hope this attracts a decent-sized, Mex-American audience. Most Mex-Ams know nothing of Mexican history and the devastation wrought there by socialism. "
No comprende.
Posted by: Immigrants waving Mexican flags at SB1020 rallies at June 05, 2012 12:45 PM (sPO/s)
****
He's still alive?!
Now I want to watch Lawrence of Arabia again.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 12:45 PM (piMMO)
He's easy to look at, too. Just remind me not to leave my parka and gloves in my cubicle when I go.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 05, 2012 12:45 PM (ZKzrr)
I agree. Braveheart seemed like Wallace was looking for a way he could start the fight and not just lose. The Patriot was much more the reluctant warrior.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Free Soona! at June 05, 2012 12:45 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Soona - banned and doesn't know why at June 05, 2012 12:46 PM (5FUS8)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 05, 2012 12:46 PM (tqwMN)
But ... Mexico in particular ... don't care.
Just my opinion but it might give a little insight into those making conservative movies that they might want to make them about something that American conservatives would care about.
I'll watch Man on Fire for my Mexican-style conservative viewing pleasure.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 05, 2012 12:46 PM (X3lox)
I'd be happy to tell you how my experiment making a movie in Aramaic worked out, but first...
Posted by: Mel Gibson at June 05, 2012 12:46 PM (GBXon)
Ace, I'm going with my wife this weekend, assuming it's still playing in our area. We planned on watching it this past weekend but our babysitter had finals and couldn't watch the kids.
Heck, the last movie I saw in the theatre was Bella. So yes, me getting to a theatre to support a movie is news.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 05, 2012 12:46 PM (+/C3g)
Yep. One mexican lady I used to know thought Cinco de Mayo was Mexico's independence from, guess who, the U.S.
Posted by: eleven at June 05, 2012 12:47 PM (KXm42)
Posted by: Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid at June 05, 2012 12:47 PM (NG097)
As of Friday the nearest theater currently showing it is 45 minutes away.
Posted by: ThomasD at June 05, 2012 12:47 PM (uHudg)
My laptop hash changes every time I come here (I'm on ATandT DSL). I hope I'm not SOL.
If your hash changed every time, you shouldn't be banned- unless you got caught in some "range" banning...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Free Soona! at June 05, 2012 12:47 PM (8y9MW)
I lived in California for 20 years, and when I moved to the Northeast I was amazed at how intimidated people were by what I considered short distances. Hell, my wife thinks that four hours to Hanover NH requires emergency water supplies, several days of food, and extra fuel just in case.
I used to get up on Saturday morning and drive to Drakes Bay for oysters for lunch. 2 hours each way. I thought that was normal.
Posted by: AOSHQ's tech department at June 05, 2012 12:48 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 05, 2012 04:42 PM (C8mVl)
What are you talking about? We celebrate Mexican Indepence every Cinco De Mayo. Wait what??
Just a battle? In a war we lost? To FRANCE?!
Posted by: Mexican Americans at June 05, 2012 12:48 PM (GULKT)
"Yeah...but isn't that insufferable Libtard hack Longoria in it?? Maria Conchita Alonzowasn't available??"
I was available! I do an AWESOME Hispanic!
Posted by: Margaret Cho at June 05, 2012 12:48 PM (sPO/s)
Which is a lie. Actually the film shows the rebels perpetrating one straight-up massacre/war-crime, and that resonates throughout the rest of the movie, uncomfortably.
Personally, I would have in fact omitted that. I would have simplified it.
There's nothing complex here: The goddamned socialists attempted to make the country atheist by repression and violence.
What exactly is the "nuance" that one should find here?
Posted by: ace at June 05, 2012 12:48 PM (aw5Tx)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 05, 2012 12:48 PM (nEUpB)
*****
Only AQ would watch a movie like that and exclaim "BUTT BOMBS! That's what we need!"
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 12:49 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at June 05, 2012 12:49 PM (UU0OF)
"Just a battle? In a war we lost? To FRANCE?!"
Explains why the symbolic gesture of observance is drinking heavily...
Posted by: reason at June 05, 2012 12:49 PM (sPO/s)
Posted by: Jimbo at June 05, 2012 04:45 PM (O3R/2)
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I'm thinking it would be more fun to paint my face blue....and misbehave.
Posted by: wheatie at June 05, 2012 12:49 PM (BmcaR)
Exactly. My wife (originally from Michigan) thinks that a day trip to Abilene is just absurd.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Free Soona! at June 05, 2012 12:49 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Pecos, at June 05, 2012 12:50 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: X at June 05, 2012 12:50 PM (KHo8t)
Posted by: Max Power at June 05, 2012 12:50 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Katy Beth at June 05, 2012 12:50 PM (BJ46X)
This.
Why didn't they see Mao's Last Dancer?
Posted by: The Ghost of Jim Fixx at June 05, 2012 12:50 PM (DQHjw)
I watched GOON last week.
I liked it and it didn't bother me that the movie was pointless.
The best part was the goalie.
Posted by: rosemary, parsley, soothsayer, and thyme at June 05, 2012 12:51 PM (9Q7Nu)
I understand the point about conservatives not watching conservative movies if they suck. But this movie doesn't suck. Its definitely worth watching in the theater.
How exactly is a culture where all the films have liberal slants supposed to help conservatism? If 80% of the young are voting liberal because they've been propagandized with liberal stuff all their life, this helps conservatism how exactly? Culture is more important than politics in many ways.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 05, 2012 12:51 PM (epBek)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 05, 2012 04:49 PM (I/Xad)
*
Great movie. Another very good Denzsel W. movie...Fallen. Creepy, scary, good.
Posted by: dananjcon at June 05, 2012 12:52 PM (eavT+)
That religion actually is an evil that needs to be suppressed. That's the liberal nuance that got simplified out in their minds.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 05, 2012 12:52 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 05, 2012 12:53 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 05, 2012 12:53 PM (05RcU)
What exactly is the "nuance" that one should find here?
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Ummmm.... that we are actually intolerant of conservatives and downright hatefuly hostile to the thumpers....
.... but we cant come right out and say that.
Yet.
Posted by: Progressives Evrywhere at June 05, 2012 12:53 PM (C8hzL)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 05, 2012 12:53 PM (QxSug)
What exactly is the "nuance" that one should find here?
And that's exactly my question every time I see that accusation leveled.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 05, 2012 12:54 PM (tqwMN)
Posted by: rosemary, parsley, soothsayer, and thyme at June 05, 2012 12:54 PM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: Margaret Cho at June 05, 2012 04:48 PM (sPO/s)
***
No suger-tits..you do awesome all you can buffets.
Posted by: dananjcon at June 05, 2012 12:54 PM (eavT+)
I'll see it on Netflix, if I remember.
It helps a lot if conservative movies are released in more than ten theaters nationwide, otherwise there's not much grounds for complaint that people don't see them. Agreed on the *really* bad marketing as well. Now that I'm just watching Hulu I pretty much miss *all* the movie ads, so if it's not advertised online I have no clue it exists.
Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at June 05, 2012 12:55 PM (CQ1cz)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)
That goes without saying. Just like when I'm describing a girl to you, I don't mention that she had a vagina. Kinda part of the definition of a being a girl.
"So this war movie, was there fighting in it?"
"Um, yeah."
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 05, 2012 12:55 PM (epBek)
Instead, they got a fascist piece of shit nation that has been nothing but a problem. Tons of resources, easy access to two oceans, abutting the richest nation in the history of the world ... yet never better than a fascist shithole. And we get the pleasure of a sustained attempt to invade our nation with their crap and every other piece of shit that floats through Mexico.
The socialists won in what they wanted Mexico to end up like, if but for a few details.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 05, 2012 12:55 PM (X3lox)
I'm Denzelled out.
Posted by: eleven at June 05, 2012 04:52 PM (KXm42)
Then watch the Scott Glen version. It's almost as good.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 05, 2012 12:56 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: toby928© at June 05, 2012 12:56 PM (NG097)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 05, 2012 12:56 PM (RJ+Yj)
I don't know enough about "Dr Jill" (except that she's not a physician, she's an English teacher at a community college) to speculate, but Mooch would have ended up at City Colleges of Chicago if she'd had to rely on her own merits.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 05, 2012 12:57 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 05, 2012 04:53 PM (05RcU)
You've never met my in-laws.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 05, 2012 12:57 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: dczombie at June 05, 2012 12:58 PM (b96e6)
****
Well, his next two movies will be in Hebrew and Old Norse
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 12:58 PM (piMMO)
Press play, go away for 30 minutes, come back. Enjoy.
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Hilarious.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 05, 2012 12:58 PM (I/Xad)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 05, 2012 04:53 PM (05RcU)
Give it a few days. .....They're on a roll.
Posted by: wheatie at June 05, 2012 12:58 PM (BmcaR)
Posted by: toby928© at June 05, 2012 12:58 PM (NG097)
Posted by: Jimbo at June 05, 2012 12:58 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 05, 2012 12:59 PM (05RcU)
Posted by: Jimbo at June 05, 2012 04:58 PM (O3R/2)
An American Carol?
Posted by: Mexican Americans at June 05, 2012 12:59 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 05, 2012 04:53 PM (QxSug)
Unthinkable is even better. Not a revenge movie, per se, but better.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 05, 2012 12:59 PM (X3lox)
Have you seen the scripts she had to read when she was a little kid? Half of them would eff up adult women.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 05, 2012 01:00 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 05, 2012 01:00 PM (QxSug)
I'll take the bait. This sounds like a good flick, but the theater is dead to me. I just bought a new place last fall and one of the first things I did was dedicate the loft overlooking my living room to home theater duty, big TV, 7.1 Surround, comfy sofa, etc. It was totally worth it, just for having the friends over to watch Justified and eat pizza 13 times a year if nothing else.
But, the side effect is that the theater just doesn't have much pull for me, when I can stay home, duplicate the technical aspects of the experience while avoiding the aforementioned whippersnappers and floor detritus. Plus, I can have a glass of beer, dinner out of my own larder, and pause the program if I need to use the facilities. In all honesty, I might never set foot in another theater.
Posted by: DanInMN at June 05, 2012 01:00 PM (XqeyF)
I've seen this sentiment a couple of times, I think it needs to be addressed:
That's stupid. If conservative film makers only ever used conservative actors and actresses they'd never make good movies. The good talent are busy a lot- even when they're not actively making a movie, they're usually doing something, so their schedules won't always (or, necessarily, ever) match. So you use who you can get.
Also, on low-budget/limited-release films, there's a better-than-even chance that she's already got all her money; they often don't work for residuals on films they don't think will succeed. So you not seeing the movie probably isn't hurting her at all, but it is making it that much more difficult to get future, similar, projects picked up and green-lit, and to get good talent for them when they are.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Free Soona! at June 05, 2012 01:00 PM (8y9MW)
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Posted by: fixerupper at June 05, 2012 04:58 PM (C8hzL)
She turned into a sparkly vampire?
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Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 05, 2012 01:03 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 05, 2012 01:03 PM (bxiXv)
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Posted by: Soona - banned and doesn't know why at June 05, 2012 05:02 PM (5FUS
Usually smartphone browsers don't have the formatting buttons. And don't worry, they don't work anymore anyways even if you could see them.
Posted by: buzzion at June 05, 2012 01:03 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: rosemary, parsley, soothsayer, and thyme at June 05, 2012 01:04 PM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: Farmer Josey Wales at June 05, 2012 01:04 PM (4q5tP)
Longoria isn't the star either. She's very much just a supporting actress in a few scenes to help establish Andy Garcia's character.. Seriously, we're supposed to go on a witch hunt to check the political affiliation of everybody on the third screen of credits.?
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I love how we're not supposed to support a conservative movie, because conservatives only care about entertainment, but also we're not supposed to see a movie if some liberal has a bit part.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 05, 2012 01:04 PM (epBek)
1. Poorly executed movie (The reviewer is a liberal pussy and does not like pro-Catholic things)
2. Too much unnecessary violence (perhaps valid even given that it is a war movie)
3. Poor decision to film in English with a Latino cast. (Couldn't find anything else to criticize. Who the hell else would you cast and why would anyone want to read English sub-titles when you can just listen?)
This film has been heavily advertised in the Houston Spanish-language TV market.
Posted by: RioBravo at June 05, 2012 01:04 PM (eEfYn)
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Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 05, 2012 05:03 PM (QxSug)
It was really a common sense movie. Save a few minor holes in the story (which could easily be overlooked) it was tight and right with a correct ending, which is a real rarity.
It is intense, for sure.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 05, 2012 01:07 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 05, 2012 01:07 PM (epBek)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Free Soona! at June 05, 2012 01:08 PM (8y9MW)
Ummmm when did Dakota Fanning get f'd up? Last I heard, she was going to NYU, living with her mom and was not an alcoholic drug addict cutter stripper.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 05, 2012 01:08 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 05, 2012 01:09 PM (bxiXv)
*****
She is not "effed up". She seems to be a very well-adjusted, sensible young woman. She doesn't flash her crotch for the paparazzi, hell, she still dresses like a younger girl.
I won't even go into the hole Hound Dog mess because, last time, the defenders of that shit made me want to puke.
She is to be admired for NOT being effed up, despite that role.
Her parents should never allowed her to take that role and I am thrilled that the movie tanked, and in spectacular fashion.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 01:09 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 05, 2012 01:09 PM (bxiXv)
The one thing that can stop (or at least slow down) overweening, voracious socialism is a strong church. We here in the west have decided that we prefer an institutionally weak church. So we shouldn't be surprised when a monster government gets shoved down our throats, and there's nothing to stop it.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 05, 2012 01:10 PM (xm1A1)
"$70,000? Hell, my suits are worth more than that!"
Maria Bello is the shit.
Posted by: eleven at June 05, 2012 01:10 PM (KXm42)
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Unless, we are the ones who have decided to do the kicking...
Posted by: RioBravo at June 05, 2012 01:10 PM (eEfYn)
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She's not.
I'm still trying to figure out if a sarc tag was missing from that comment.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 01:10 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 05, 2012 01:12 PM (piMMO)
This is the French Revolution you're really describing. The model which every insane "people's revolution" after was to follow, up to and including the guillotining of the opposition.
Those wascally Fwench. "America's strongest allies" ... uh, yeah.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 05, 2012 01:13 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Soona - banned and doesn't know why at June 05, 2012 01:13 PM (5FUS8)
I keep thinking I want to add an actual sarc tag to the stylesheet on my own blog. If I posted there more often, I might.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 05, 2012 01:13 PM (bjRNS)
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Posted by: Count de Monet at June 05, 2012 01:14 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: polynikes at June 05, 2012 01:14 PM (09Sew)
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 05, 2012 01:15 PM (4q5tP)
Oh, goody! We haven't had one in several minutes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 05, 2012 01:17 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 05, 2012 01:19 PM (QxSug)
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Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at June 05, 2012 01:26 PM (UU0OF)
I will say that the audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are significantly higher than the critics' numbers, which means the movie probably is more of a 30-50% flick than an 18%. I've actually found the number wildly wrong quite often, and it may be this time as well.
As for the Eva Longoria thing, really? You want to blacklist, too? Look, her politics aside, Longoria is a box office draw as she has a name, and a name that resonates somewhat with Mexicans. Garcia would have been stupid not to have taken advantage of her availability.
Posted by: Schaeffer at June 05, 2012 01:27 PM (ZN0re)
Yeah, and how many tickets would they have sold with their name on the marquis? Like it or not, name recognition is important when you're selling a movie.
Posted by: Schaeffer at June 05, 2012 01:28 PM (ZN0re)
Posted by: yip in Texas at June 05, 2012 01:32 PM (cQhQZ)
Someone just openly admitted that they won't support conservative films if they disapprove of the casting of the bit parts?
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Good Lord, we deserve everything you have in store for us.
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Schaeffer, I'd rate it higher than that, but it definitely suffers from a sloppy script that tries to do too much and doesn't cut out enough historical detail to make the narrative cleaner.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 05, 2012 01:33 PM (epBek)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at June 05, 2012 01:33 PM (UU0OF)
How can we support conservative movies when they aren't advertised? Seriously, I've never even heard of this movie, but I'll be glad to go now.
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 05, 2012 01:37 PM (aPkU9)
I'll definitely check it out, when it is released on dvd.
Posted by: Feynmangroupie at June 05, 2012 01:38 PM (oI744)
Looking at Flixter, 68% of users liked it, 18% of critics liked it.
That's why I don't trust critics, they suck at deciding what's entertaining for the general public.
Posted by: Max Entropy at June 05, 2012 02:26 PM (Yqdcl)
Posted by: And Irresolute at June 05, 2012 02:27 PM (RC3M9)
Bingo. They're too close to the material, and determined to give a little love to every significant hero of the cause. The script, to accomodate all this, resorts to under-dramatizing things, with people speaking over-directly about their beliefs and intentions. (The overdirect way is much faster, screen-time wise, than the dramatized way -- it could take 2 1/2 minutes of a movie to show someone grappling with an idea and then making a decision; it takes 20 second to just have him directly state his belief from jump street.)
That said, that's mostly a problem in the beginning. Once the characters are introduced, the film moves more like a typical war movie.
Posted by: ace at June 05, 2012 02:36 PM (aw5Tx)
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Posted by: steevy at June 05, 2012 02:54 PM (Xb3hu)
Anyway...
I am reluctant to see it because it is a Western set in deserty looking Mexico, if the trailer is anything to judge by. Those have typically been kind of ick gross sweaty blech things that are unappealing.
Even The Magnificent Seven had a big helping of that vibe.
Perhaps your mileage varies.
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