November 07, 2012
— DrewM Sequestration is a terrible, horrible, no good idea.
And we must let it happen.
You know what you call $1.2 trillion in budget cuts? A good start.
After last night it's clear that as presently constituted there is no electoral path to reducing the size and scope of government. Since we can not do that in an orderly and rationale way, we must use the tool we have at hand.
The lame duck will feature a lot of talk about "grand bargains". No Just no. While the GOP and conservatives were crushed last night, the GOP still retains control of the House so "the people" voted for more gridlock. Then gridlock they shall have. And that means enforcing the current law of the land....sequestration.
I'd much rather a messy, disorganized and painful set of cuts than an clean, orderly and disastrous set of tax and spending increases.
As someone once said, "never let a crisis go to waste bitches". At least I think that's what they said.
Oh and the debt ceiling needs to be raised again.
As a commenter pointed out: Let ALL the Bush tax cuts expire. All the people who were taken off the roles 10 years ago? Back on baby!
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Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 07, 2012 09:27 AM (SDkq3)
EVERYONE gets a new higher rate.
Hope and Fucking Change.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 09:27 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 09:27 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:28 AM (ZhjCA)
Yes, his name was Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 09:28 AM (wwsoB)
If we have to raise taxes, I want just about EVERYONE to have to pay taxes. No more exempting 47%. If they WANT big government, they should PAY for it too.
Posted by: Lily at November 07, 2012 09:28 AM (fOvLk)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 09:28 AM (jUytm)
No, what we need to do is shut down the damn government. That is what the balless House should have done.
Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 09:29 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 09:29 AM (jUytm)
Going to BA in Dec, may just check it out.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 09:30 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Wi Lurker at November 07, 2012 09:30 AM (9pqWr)
You want to know why we lost? I decided I am going to go engage in some consumer whoredom to assuage my utter depression over the election results. I'm about to leave to do so and what did I do? I checked my bank balance, made sure my bills were paid, made note of my balance, deducted out the one bill that will hit next week, moved some money to the savings account and then decided how much money I have to spare. After all, if I can't pay cash, I can't afford it. Those who voted Obama in? Off to the mall baby! I think there's still room on the credit card!
Those people want me to pay their bills. They can rot in hell.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 09:30 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Wall_E at November 07, 2012 09:30 AM (48wze)
Posted by: Some asshole Obama voter at November 07, 2012 09:30 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: thirtyandseven at November 07, 2012 09:30 AM (8G0I/)
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 09:31 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: DCPensFan at November 07, 2012 09:31 AM (ma/2m)
Enough already.
I agree with one of the earlier posters that said that the House should simply not conduct business until the Senate passes a budget. Let all gridlock hang on that.
Posted by: Looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:31 AM (PwGfd)
Bargain?
Abstain from every single vote. Give them the full measure of what the US electorate just asked.
You can't hold up a house when the occupants are sawing through the supports.
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 07, 2012 09:31 AM (jo069)
Can't say I'm excited about that for me personally, but it might wake people up.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 07, 2012 09:31 AM (u0MHM)
Posted by: Flying Manatee at November 07, 2012 09:31 AM (ItCyz)
Hell no!
They will cry and cry about the poor and minorities hardest hit and renege on the cuts. It will be a completely lopsided cut where everything is restored EXCEPT for the military.
Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 09:31 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Dan at November 07, 2012 09:31 AM (/7gN/)
Posted by: Drider at November 07, 2012 09:32 AM (HaJD9)
16Boeing announced today it's laying off 30% of it's management and closing it's facilities in CA.
_____________________________
The reaction by cluless Obama voters to that?
"Now my manager will get screwed. Whee!!! Yea!!!! See how great Obama is?"
Pukeworthy.
Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 09:32 AM (Ks0w4)
We have absolutely nothing to gain by compromising with Obama.
We have very little to lose by stonewalling Obama.
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 01:29 PM (jUytm)
Yep Obamarmageddon can't come quick enough, then we can begin the healing.
Posted by: Flounder at November 07, 2012 09:33 AM (Kkt/i)
If you look at that election map every State that voted blue should live in their own shit while the rest of us get on with buisness.
Sorry if you are a Moron in one of those blue hells, but you should get out now. It is only going to get worse.
Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 09:33 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:33 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: Sammy Davis jr at November 07, 2012 09:33 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: ShadrachMeshachAbednago at November 07, 2012 09:33 AM (fPffX)
I understand that most have obligations and family and can't just quit but I certainly hope that everyone that can control how much revenue they generate will choose to destress and have more free time rather than working harder or longer when that is just putting money into the hands of uncle Marx who has taken Sam's place.
Posted by: PaleRider at November 07, 2012 09:33 AM (dkExz)
Posted by: Spike at November 07, 2012 09:33 AM (wtnmC)
Posted by: Wi Lurker at November 07, 2012 01:30 PM (9pqWr)
Make those "rich" pay
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 09:34 AM (1Jaio)
Yup. Let those contractors in Northern Virginia pay for the transgressions.
Unforunately we know that won't happen. The Republicans will roll over.
Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2012 09:34 AM (C2Y4l)
Posted by: DCPensFan at November 07, 2012 09:34 AM (ma/2m)
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 09:34 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 09:34 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: bp01 at November 07, 2012 09:35 AM (9QZej)
1) Lawsuits.
2) Simple refusal to follow the mandate--hopefully with the imagery of priests and nuns being dragged off in handcuffs
3) Restricting their educational and health services to Catholics only. This is a hard decision, but apparently the only businesses considered "religious" are those that cater to only one religion
4) Closing down Catholic schools, hospitals, and charities.
The fifth, I suppose, is capitulation, but the day that happens is the day I take a second look at Orthodoxy or some other faith.
Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2012 09:35 AM (g7D8V)
Serious question: What would Breitbart do?
Posted by: Dante at November 07, 2012 01:11 PM (NWLVJ)
What can men do in the face of such evil?
http://tinyurl.com/a2nwkh5
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 09:35 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:35 AM (ZhjCA)
Yep, Sequestration and let he tax cuts expire, its what more than half the country voted for. Let it happen.
Lets see if the House pussies out. I am guessing they will. But the people didn't come out to vote against it, so screw it, everybody pays.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 09:36 AM (PHb2k)
Posted by: Wi Lurker at November 07, 2012 01:30 PM (9pqWr)
Awesome....how does a business survive in CA? and why are they still there?
Posted by: Red Shirt at November 07, 2012 09:36 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:37 AM (ZhjCA)
Everyone is saying "go Galt", but I'm not really sure how not creating wealth helps here.
The gov't sure as hell isn't going to stop spending just the economy craters further and because tax revenues plummet. They'll just borrow more to fund the spending. In fact, the current administration will use the plummeting economy as a reason to have another gigantic wasteful stimulus.
Posted by: looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:37 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 07, 2012 09:37 AM (n1x7a)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 07, 2012 09:37 AM (VLifP)
Posted by: zeera at November 07, 2012 09:37 AM (6JlRh)
Posted by: Fnord at November 07, 2012 09:37 AM (hoJnS)
Here in lovely California I will now also get to pay an increased sales tax and about 3% additional tax on my income. That's in addition to the Obamacare tax increases on real estate sales, and whatever else our leader comes up with to pay for the votes he bought last night.
I am depressed. I can't believe this is our country.
Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2012 09:37 AM (pWeX5)
Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 09:38 AM (FcR7P)
MediaResearchCenter @theMRC
Liberal Lecturing Begins: ABC's Dowd Knocks 'Mad Men' Republicans in a 'Modern Family America' http://ow.ly/2t5o5V
Shit, if someone ever swipes that old harpy's TV set she won't have a clue what to write about
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 09:38 AM (wwsoB)
The bishops already released a statement that they will not comply. I had the same thought as you: the logical end to this position is HHS agents locking the doors of St. Mary Magdalene parish and dragging Father DiGiulio away.
Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 09:38 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 09:38 AM (ty0pA)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:38 AM (ZhjCA)
Eh. .. the Obama adminstration will probably just buy them off with a questionably legal targeted exemption, the same as they do to pick off any prinicipled opposition.
Posted by: looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:38 AM (PwGfd)
Our firewall is Boehner. Great. I hope the house realizes that for the next two years at least, they are the only check on unfettered democratic power
Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 09:39 AM (Ho3p+)
Posted by: JEM at November 07, 2012 09:39 AM (o+SC1)
MediaResearchCenter @theMRC
Liberal Lecturing Begins: ABC's Dowd Knocks 'Mad Men' Republicans in a 'Modern Family America' http://ow.ly/2t5o5V
Shit, if someone ever swipes that old harpy's TV set she won't have a clue what to write about
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:38 PM
Correction, that wasn't MoDo but Matthew Dowd of ABC News
Same applies though
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 09:39 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:40 AM (ZhjCA)
And there's no reason to raise the debt ceiling.
Let's get what we want, by hook or by crook. Oh you want your free pills? No problem, we just can't buy the machine to make them for you.
Posted by: Iblis at November 07, 2012 09:40 AM (9221z)
Posted by: H Badger at November 07, 2012 09:40 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: RDP at November 07, 2012 09:40 AM (DMjYs)
http://tinyurl.com/a2nwkh5
Posted by: BCochran1981
The gate is down and they are already streaming through...
...and Gandalf is not coming.
Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 09:41 AM (GQ8sn)
You're costing me THOUSANDS. Assholes. I DON'T MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. Now you've cut it MORE.
I hate Ohio.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 09:41 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 09:41 AM (GFM2b)
Catholic Hospitals will close before that happens. Which is actually what Barry and Michelle (I hate Irish Catholics) wants. No more Church in the public square. No more alternatives to government aid. No competition for "charity"
Posted by: Iblis at November 07, 2012 09:42 AM (9221z)
Eh. Whatever. I always wanted a
Posted by: huerfano at November 07, 2012 09:42 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: AD at November 07, 2012 09:42 AM (prJbE)
Posted by: Old Coach at November 07, 2012 09:42 AM (LYbxI)
Posted by: JBS at November 07, 2012 09:43 AM (jQ7ef)
--
And boycott the advertisers. Follow the money.
I hope at least some of corporate America is pissed about yesterday and stops advertising on MSM. Drying up their revenue source AND losing viewers hits them hits them two ways.
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 09:43 AM (F3s39)
For sequestration...
Got a Plan B?:
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, is scheduled to deliver a statement this afternoon on the need for a bipartisan deal to avoid jumping off the fiscal cliff, a combination of tax increases (including the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts) and spending cuts that will go into effect in January.
Congress has eight weeks to come to an agreement. Boehner will argue that Republicans and Democrats must “take steps together,” according to a brief press release from his office.
The Lane Report
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 09:43 AM (kdS6q)
The Democrats never, ever own any of what they do. The Media will see that Bush is blamed again.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 07, 2012 09:43 AM (P7hip)
Posted by: The Dude at November 07, 2012 09:44 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:44 AM (ZhjCA)
Glad you guys have all given 15 years of service and three overseas tours like the wife.
I'll bet you 15 liters of valu-rite the military gets nuked, the contractors get fucked and not a single civil servant gets the hard ax.
Any takers?
America worth every tear and sleepless night.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 09:44 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Iblis at November 07, 2012 09:44 AM (9221z)
Sequestration. Government jobs delenda est.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp (@DarthWyatt) at November 07, 2012 09:44 AM (Q0B9b)
Posted by: JeffC at November 07, 2012 09:44 AM (A3tpD)
So...we like small government...but we reallylike huge military budgets and having over a hundred permanent bases in other nations - not including embassy detachments - including the militarization of our national civilian LEO's, too. Uh...That's part of the definition of an empire, folks. It's also part of the definition of a police state. If America is a global empire, then embrace it. If we're a police state, then embrace that. If we're a nation of free people, then embrace that. You can't do all three. Not and call yourselves sane, anyway. There's no ...logic in holding those three thoughts all at the same time, folks. You can be an empire and a police state, but you can't have small government with either of the other two, let alone with both.
Support for small government, not to mention constitutional constructivism, says that if you get the global empire, you don't get the freedom and liberty, let alone small government.
Slash the military budget, of course, only after we bring our troops home, except for, perhaps certain aspects of support for Veterans. (We hired them, we sent them into harms' way, we gotta tke responsibility for the outcome.) also: If we go to war, we break things and kill people, make the rubble bounce, take their stuff, and come home. We don't nation build. We don't build permanent military bases on foreign soil. We're the United States of America, not the Empire of America. Says so right on the paperwork: "We, the People, of the United States of America..." unless, you know, it's just another g-d damned piece of paper, after all.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 07, 2012 09:45 AM (WwR1j)
Posted by: Cricket at November 07, 2012 09:45 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 09:45 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Fuck The Media at November 07, 2012 09:45 AM (ZPrif)
Anyone know about this shit?
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 01:34 PM (wR+pz)
No one cares. He was the ONLY ONE that dove into the Benghazi shit and ACE wouldn't even give him a LINK.
We fucked ourselves. OUR OWN SIDE wouldn't pound the issues.
Now, America will suck forever more and there's nothing to do about it.
Actions have consequences and my CHILD will pay for it and NEVER KNOW what a great country this was.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 09:45 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 07, 2012 09:45 AM (oDtMj)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 07, 2012 09:46 AM (ZrUUM)
Had the House not cut a deal with Obama on the Bush tax cuts, he would have been a one term President. No way would he have gotten away with raising taxes on the middle class.
House Republicans should not throw any life preservers to Obama.
Posted by: McAdams at November 07, 2012 09:46 AM (ZI/Cb)
Posted by: Jordan at November 07, 2012 09:46 AM (jRfn3)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 09:47 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: The Dow at November 07, 2012 09:47 AM (r2PLg)
Let the Sequestration begin. Let all the "Bush" tax cuts expire. Watch the markets continue to collapse.
The next four years will be rough, and needs to be rough if we have any hope of beating the dem candidate in 2016. And it won't be the slobbering dummy Biden. It will be Michelle Obama.
Let that sink in.
Posted by: Boots at November 07, 2012 09:47 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 09:47 AM (jUytm)
That's why I'm ignoring the Rubio 2016 calls. If the guy truly was a GOP rock star, he would have delivered Florida on a plate. He didn't.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp (@DarthWyatt) at November 07, 2012 09:48 AM (Q0B9b)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 01:46 PM (ZhjCA)
Not mentioning Wisconsin.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 09:48 AM (UK9cE)
You're about to see your fetish become reality.
Oh, and after we start closing facilities, the Chinese will buy each and everyone.
Hope your Mandarin isn't rusty.
In any case, may you and yours be the first to die in the inevitable disasters.
Enjoy.
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 07, 2012 09:48 AM (jo069)
That's awesome. Glad you're ready to swing the knife at the active duty force that tried 65%+ to do the right thing and was disenfranchised on purpose by chicago jesus if overseas. My son tries to enlist I'm punching him in the mouth.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 09:48 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Janetoo at November 07, 2012 09:48 AM (/TVdO)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 09:48 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: MoeRon at November 07, 2012 09:48 AM (yWDpP)
Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 07, 2012 09:48 AM (1Ialr)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:49 AM (ZhjCA)
Amen. I am about 85% of the way to renouncing my Ohio residency now....go ahead john watch the military family exodus from your tax rolls.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 09:49 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 07, 2012 09:49 AM (ZDP2l)
Posted by: The Dow at November 07, 2012 09:49 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 09:49 AM (GFM2b)
As long as I feel good about Islam's contribution to the space program that is...
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 07, 2012 09:49 AM (YLZSZ)
Will the "tax the rich" mantra be effective if they get their tax hikes and we still run a deficit? The really aggrivating thing about the class warefare is that it isnt even based on math. Their tax hikes will punish individuals and not make a dent in the big picture. Own it.
And yes the military cuts will suck and hurt, but that is the consequence to the stupidity of the deal and the stupidity of the Obama administration.
Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 09:49 AM (Ho3p+)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 09:49 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:50 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: Baraka O at November 07, 2012 09:50 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: The Dow at November 07, 2012 09:50 AM (r2PLg)
My left ear is bleeding, both ears are ringing so bad I can't understand a word anyone is saying to me, but I'm smiling again. Carry on.
Posted by: Shirley at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (U4ceb)
Posted by: jeff talbut at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (V5auc)
Posted by: MoeRon at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (yWDpP)
Posted by: ejo at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: Drider at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (HaJD9)
More people having more taken from their paychecks might be what it takes to jolt some sense into them. But will Boehner have the guts to do this?
Posted by: Deli LLama at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (lGu1O)
Posted by: Jahson at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (70WAZ)
Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (ty0pA)
OWN IT
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Hope to hear this chorus loudly repeated over the next four years, every time something "unexpectedly" happens.
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 09:51 AM (F3s39)
At this point I am more than willing to "comprimise" with the Dems and give them 80% of what they want. Want higher taxes fine, won't get you oodles more revenue because of the economic depressive effect but lets be "fair."
I think the only way to get the 47% down to something reasonable is to give the nation a good dose of the agenda they elected and let them watch where it takes us. Remember, it wasn't a fluke like we thought, the American people *want* Obama to be President. In order to change that thinking, we need to let them have a whole bunch of what they voted for.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 09:52 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: The Dow at November 07, 2012 09:52 AM (r2PLg)
Yup the way to punish the nation for sucking donkey dick is to give the democrats their wet dream and destroy our military and service members without getting ANY civil servant coup.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 09:52 AM (LRFds)
Christie is dead to me, Rubio couldn't bring us Florida, Ryan almost lost his seat, Jindal is too obscure, West can't win a congressional seat . . .
All the supposed "young guns" turned out to be FAILs.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp (@DarthWyatt) at November 07, 2012 09:52 AM (Q0B9b)
Do you think the media won't do the same now and be even worse, now that it's clear that they can be openly partisan? It'd just be more fuel for Republikanhass.
I'm almost for giving Obama what he wants so that the people can see it for themselves...but we'd have to do it in a clever enough way that it couldn't be pinned on us...which means that whatever happens, most people will believe we're responsible....fuck. Where's the draino? (I don't want to be a pessimist, but what realistically are our options against Big Media and Big School???)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 07, 2012 09:52 AM (FiwwD)
Yup. That's the whole point. It's like the Church is following the script.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 09:52 AM (/kI1Q)
I was all for trying to save things via the ballot box and I had some hope after 2010 but I don't see any benefit to folks being Reardons or Dagnys now. There is no sense putting money aside for the looters --work just enough to support yourself and your family and let the looters rot.
Posted by: PaleRider at November 07, 2012 09:52 AM (dkExz)
Posted by: JeffC at November 07, 2012 01:44 PM (A3tpD)
Why not? I lived through a dozen of those incidents.
Pilots, not so much ...
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 09:53 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:53 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: Fuck The Media at November 07, 2012 01:45 PM (ZPrif)
And you can cut off those annoying streaming ads, for the most part, using a combination of firefox, and the adblock and noscript addons. Starve the enemies of the republic.
Posted by: Flounder at November 07, 2012 09:53 AM (Kkt/i)
Let them have the full measure of their idiocy but if you join in, you're just as guilty and can be used a scapegoat.
Abstain on everything.
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 07, 2012 09:54 AM (jo069)
What are these "law" things you're blathering about?
Posted by: Jug Hussein Ears at November 07, 2012 09:54 AM (9SwFX)
113: "we will lose the House in 2014."
Probably. Last night showed me that 2010 wasnt such a win for conservatives as it was a failure by the Dems. They can now target that mistake and get O a final 2 years with unified power. If I am Axlerod, I start that today. The GOP cannot compete with the Democrats and the media, BIRM.
Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 09:54 AM (Ho3p+)
"I agree with one of the earlier posters that said that the House should simply not conduct business until the Senate passes a budget. Let all gridlock hang on that."
This would be nice to see.
So they fucking own it now. I am like a 2 year old and I am holding everyone I know who voted for obama PERSONALLY responsible. Just made reservations for Thanksgiving dinner because I cannot be in the same room as my asshat family members who voted for more of this shitty hope and change. Course many of them are now walking it back a bit - they aren't really all enthusiastic about Obama really and they say he will have to "reach across the aisle, it wasn't a mandate" etc., etc. FUCK THAT BITCHES IT'S ON YOU, YOUR GUY AND YOUR PARTY.
hiccup
Posted by: President Kerry at November 07, 2012 09:54 AM (mg8ch)
They wanted us to re-elect SCOAMF, they can live with it.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 09:54 AM (/kI1Q)
Was notified by two clients this morning that elections have consequences. Pulling over 100K in contracts. One remarked that they need to button down more aggressively. I hope the advertising industry enjoyed the election bounce cause it's going to get really ugly going forward. The business world is pissed.
Posted by: Daily Dish at November 07, 2012 09:55 AM (+b3dK)
I could not agree more. If we are leaving Afghanistan in 2014, regardless of conditions on the ground, lets leave now. It sucks that the military will take the brunt of it - but I'm beginning the think that is the least of our worries.
At least spending will be cut - now. Obama signed the sequestration bill, let him live with it. Let's take our hands off the wheel and see how long he can keep the car on the road. So far, we are only being politically punished for trying to keep everything from going out of control (and obtaining no reduction in spending).
Posted by: Brian at November 07, 2012 09:55 AM (kFeuD)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:56 AM (ZhjCA)
Fuck yeah. Fuck it all, let it burn.
You know what the Republicans in Congress should do? Nothing. I mean, absolutely fucking nothing. Sit there on their hands. Don't cast any votes, let the Democrats do whatever the fuck they want without giving them a chance to whine about republican obstructionism. Don't even fucking engage them in debate. Nothing. Let those motherfuckers own all of this. This is what the people want, so let's just stay out of the way while they fly this plane into the fucking ground, then we'll work on picking pieces out of the wreckage later.
Posted by: Brendan at November 07, 2012 09:56 AM (2jQGY)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 09:57 AM (jUytm)
149: what realistically are our options against Big Media and Big School???)
A 50 year plan to infiltrate and control those institutions. At least make them level playing fields where conservative principles and policies get fair treatment.
Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 09:57 AM (Ho3p+)
They wanted us to re-elect SCOAMF, they can live with it.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 01:54 PM (/kI1Q)
The Europussies will immediately bow down to Vlad
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 09:58 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 01:56 PM (ZhjCA)
Probably.
I think it means the House candidates just didn't suck as bad.
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 09:58 AM (Qxe/p)
The message has been delivered to you. If you bust your ass and make it, you are going to pay for doing so. The class warfare argument won, we lost. Light a match.
Pay me. (sound nsfw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 09:58 AM (PHb2k)
One thing to remember about Sequestration:
It hits Defense harder than any other department, because they all had their baseline budgets jacked up at the beginning of O's term. Cutting them just gets them back to basline, whereas Defense gets real hard cuts.
Have a nice day.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 07, 2012 09:58 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 09:58 AM (jUytm)
--
If the GOP runs a white guy, they're racist. If they run a woman, black or Hispanic, those candidates are targeted with an extra helping of hate by the left (Palin, Love, West). No solutions to this dilemma pop to mind today. Rubio is just the next lamb up for slaughter.
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 09:59 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 09:59 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 09:59 AM (S/ps/)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 10:00 AM (QupBk)
Rubio couldn't bring us Florida, Ryan almost lost his seat, Jindal is too obscure, West can't win a congressional seat . . .
All the supposed "young guns" turned out to be FAILs.
What's YOUR suggestion then? Besides putting up no fight and letting the country burn down around us, of course.
Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 10:00 AM (Ks0w4)
Posted by: deadrody at November 07, 2012 10:01 AM (N+5Kx)
Posted by: Fnord at November 07, 2012 01:37 PM (hoJnS)
For decades, the Democrats have used military spending as a hostage, demanding tax increases or a hands-off policy on entitlements or they'll kill the military. They've always played it as a bluff, knowing the GOP is viscerally concerned with protecting the country, but it's time, I think, to let them shoot the hostage and have done with it. I don't write this lightly: my own son is finishing out his advanced infantry training and his assigned permanent unit is slated for deployment to Afghanistan in early March. I want him to have everything he will need on the battlefield. I want him home safe, but I also want him to live his life in a country worth fighting for.
No more grand bargains or compromises. No more reaching across the aisle. No more nice.
Posted by: troyriser at November 07, 2012 10:01 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:02 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 01:37 PM (ZhjCA)
___
I'm not. There are some of us Catholics who take our faith, its rituals and traditions seriously. Most just see it as a social club and a touchy feely opportunity to be proud of oneself by voting for donks who are not meanspirited like the eevil rethugglikkkans.
Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 10:02 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 10:02 AM (Ho3p+)
Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 10:03 AM (qe2/V)
Going to BA in Dec, may just check it out."
Posted by: Billy Bob
The beaches in Uruguay are great. My wife and I postponed our winter trip to BA from January to March, but we'll be there for at least 6 weeks.
Posted by: jwest at November 07, 2012 10:03 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: MattR at November 07, 2012 10:03 AM (xEKPT)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:04 AM (ZhjCA)
I am sure that most of you thought "Revenge - against whom and for what purpose? What have we done to anyone to warrant 'revenge'?" The answer to that last question is that you were more successful at life than somebody else was. The beta male personality of most chronic losers is not concerned with absolute values of success, but only in relative values. The fact that the worst losers in this country live like kings lived in almost any other time and place - matters not to people who measure happiness and success in relative terms. To them the fact that a person is more successful than they are is not a source of inspiration, an example of how to do things, but rather a person to hate because they make the comparative failure look and feel bad.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote "...the gulags were not an unfortunate side effect of Communism; the gulags were the whole point of Communism." Until you understand this about our adversaries you will not understand what they mean to do. What they want to do is to drag you down to their miserable level of failure - if the country is dragged down with you - that bothers them not in the least. That is their real agenda - and that is exactly what they intend to do. From the Kos kids in their parent's basement to college professors who provide the intellectual base for leftism (remember - those who can do, those who can't teach.) revenge is their motive.
Posted by: An Observation at November 07, 2012 10:04 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 07, 2012 10:04 AM (l3vZN)
If the only way to cut government is to let if fail under it's own wight lets toss some on it just to make it go faster. If they gut the military to pre-civil war levels let them it is the only way to cut. They still have not shown the cards on what is after it has failed. We are on the path to Europe and they will show us what it in the future and they still don't know.
Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 07, 2012 10:05 AM (Ea64Y)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:05 AM (ZhjCA)
Sequestration, no deal on taxes. Repubs can only hurt their cause now by dealing.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 10:05 AM (PHb2k)
Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 10:05 AM (gh+mp)
Posted by: What's going on? at November 07, 2012 10:05 AM (KqwSL)
Posted by: snowcrash at November 07, 2012 10:06 AM (I30qo)
>>>"Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul" - George Bernard Shaw
They also end up with a sore peter.
Posted by: Roy - I am John Galt at November 07, 2012 10:06 AM (VndSC)
How about we let people live their lives the way they want? That seemed to be pretty popular last night.
Well, the only problem with that thought is a whole lot of my supposed countrymen decided they want me to live my life in order to meet their material wants.
Posted by: Moose McKrank at November 07, 2012 10:06 AM (Xa1VJ)
Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 10:07 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: joncelli, reduced to platitudes at November 07, 2012 10:07 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: The Obaminatrix at November 07, 2012 10:07 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: USA at November 07, 2012 10:07 AM (RIg+t)
Posted by: Jack J
The American people just voted hurt them.
No sense standing in front of that gun.
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 07, 2012 10:07 AM (jo069)
"Who cares what the media does or says? "
Apparently 51% of the American people do. OMG, there's a WAR on women!!!Big Bird!! Binders!! Benghazi?? Huh? They're not talking about it on ABC or CNN so it must not be very important...
Posted by: Donna V. at November 07, 2012 10:07 AM (7OHl8)
Christie is dead to me, Rubio couldn't bring us Florida, Ryan almost lost his seat, Jindal is too obscure, West can't win a congressional seat . . .
(1) Agree regarding Christie.
(2) Demographics, the leaked exit polls, late voting in Miami, and Gary Johnson all played a part in the FL loss.
(3) Ryan easily beat Zerban.
(4) Jindal has four years to raise his profile.
(5) Unsure about the situation with Rep. West.
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 07, 2012 10:07 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 10:07 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 10:08 AM (gh+mp)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:08 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 10:08 AM (qe2/V)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 10:09 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Idiocracy at November 07, 2012 10:09 AM (96M6e)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 10:09 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 02:06 PM (ZhjCA)
WELL. I can tell you this much:
If she were still speaker, we'd be hearing "We have to PASS sequestration to see what's really in sequestration".
True leadership.
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 10:09 AM (Qxe/p)
How about we let people live their lives the way they want? That seemed to be pretty popular last night.
Well, the only problem with that thought is a whole lot of my supposed countrymen decided they want me to live my life in order to meet their material wants.
Posted by: Moose McKrank at November 07, 2012 02:06 PM
I'm all for living their lives the way they want as long as they pay for what they want and pay for the consequences.
They're not big on the "paying" part though
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 10:09 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:09 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 10:10 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Cu'chulainn at November 07, 2012 10:10 AM (S2usR)
HAHAHA - axlerod hahaha - gary johnson -- hahhahaa
it don't get any better than YPLOHC the day after .
Posted by: I'm a libtard f*ckwit, but I DONT drink horse cum, never have, never will at November 07, 2012 10:10 AM (XC3Mz)
Anyone.................crickets.
Posted by: Not and Artist at November 07, 2012 10:11 AM (uRumV)
Posted by: MostlyRight at November 07, 2012 10:11 AM (ZG8Ti)
Agreed. The expiration of the tax cuts, sequestration, and the debt ceiling have all been used as political weapons. Using classic Alinskyite technique they force the Republicans to live up to their own values, namely, the Republicans' actual love and concern for the country. This blackmail will continue to work as long as we fear it, so the only way to take it off the table is to allow it to happen. To pull a line from War Games, "The only way to win is not to play."
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2012 10:11 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 10:11 AM (ZPrif)
I'm going to be nonstop phone and mail barraging my Federal representatives that I want to see FULL BORE SEQUESTRATION. No reductions. No softening. No mitigation.
Virginia, you collectively voted to return Obama as President, when you have the most to lose from the sequestration bomb? Okay by me. Get ready to get what you want, and to get it good and hard. Without lube. Elections have consequences.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 10:11 AM (ymG7s)
Posted by: Dante at November 07, 2012 10:11 AM (NWLVJ)
We have to knock this shit off. The Republican vote count keeps going down down down. The Party is near death now. If we don't choose a hill it will be dead soon.
Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 10:11 AM (YdQQY)
I sent him this: "sorry, that FB group would have been nice during the campaign when I was called a racist, selfish and all kinds of other stuff. I never demonized the opposition, the opposition demonized me and all I believe in, all during this campaign - and frankly, they can all go fuck themselves. I appreciate your intention but I"ll pass.This fucking tool picks NOW!!!! to make a stand for civility!!! Now????!!
Posted by: vivi at November 07, 2012 10:11 AM (gA85w)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:12 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 10:12 AM (ZPrif)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dsx2vdn7gpY
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2012 10:12 AM (fGatA)
Posted by: encarn at November 07, 2012 10:12 AM (MVBMA)
Posted by: The Dude at November 07, 2012 10:12 AM (tw6Ar)
What? Who cares? We're going on vacay!
Posted by: Barry and Big Mooch at November 07, 2012 10:12 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 10:12 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 07, 2012 10:12 AM (cVfX0)
-- On one hand, I agree at being shocked. On the other, I'm thinking all the threats of people to vote Libertarian, to let it get bad enough that people realize how bad it is, people picking up their ball and going home, etc., etc., were not empty threats. So, now instead of a pragmatic victory, we have a pretty major loss leaving us with just the House to play cards with. Oddly enough, I don't think the media, in 2016, will suddenly think that they can stop blaming Bush. I'll say that if things don't get better, they'll just repeat what they have for four years:
"It was so bad, how could anyone have known how bad those Republican idiots messed it up?"
And it will work again, because our big tent sometimes doesn't feel backing each other up (in all directions.)
Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 10:13 AM (moRRg)
Eeyores unite!
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 07, 2012 10:13 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 10:13 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:13 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at November 07, 2012 10:14 AM (3xuEM)
Posted by: Jahson at November 07, 2012 10:14 AM (70WAZ)
Then let's see Barry negotiate with a House that has absolutely no reason not to shut it all down. Fuck him.
Obama wants to meet with Romney? Soon? Romney is not an elected official. Mitt should tell him to go fuck himself and he should make an appointment to talk with Boehner- who should also tell him to go fly a kite.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 07, 2012 10:14 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 10:14 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
If you think socialism is a successful mode of government, why are you on our side?
Me? I'm pretty sure socialism is the art of failure with a side of death.
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 07, 2012 10:14 AM (jo069)
Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 10:14 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Socratease at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (iVBDH)
Nah this is the hill to die on.
Let's do it!
Screw the military w/out screwing a single civil servant....YEAH!
YES YES YES
Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 02:11 PM
On a related note, Breitbart reports that Allen West is demanding a recount in his race.
That is what we need. Not nice -guy "I'm praying for Obama" pap like Romney spewed last night.
How about a little more "stop the fraud" action and a little less "let it burn" bullshit? The sad truth is that when the country burns, so do we. In fact, we'll be consumed first.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (yKUrR)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (jUytm)
Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (LpQbZ)
Mathematically, we're screwed wrt budgets and income. There's no way to get there from w/o massive cuts to the budget. I mean take a chainsaw to it, not a scapel, and even then, we're screwed. We make Greece look like a fiscally responsible nation, and everyone knows, w/o doubt, that they're screwed.
Everyone in this nation, including the conservatives on the right, wants their piece of government pie...and they won't give it up w/o a helluva fight.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (WwR1j)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 10:16 AM (B/VB5)
Some advice given to me: Get in shape. It's going to be Zombieland soon, and you want to be able to outrun the zombies. The medical system (costs growing at 9% per year federal health care spending) is going to collapse. Stop smoking, quit stuffing your piehole and get in shape. The American electorate made the wrong choice in the most consequential election since 1860. We will reap the whirlwind. Read up on the Argnetine collapse, that's where we're head. That was what the electorate voted for last night.
Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at November 07, 2012 10:16 AM (VVB18)
I don't care how "conservative" you claim to be. If you can still call yourself a Democrat after the last 4 years you are evil, and a supporter of evil. You are a traitor and a supporter of traitors.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 10:16 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: encarn at November 07, 2012 10:16 AM (MVBMA)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:16 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 10:16 AM (FcR7P)
Kudlow? Kudlow?
You mean the Kudlow that insisted there was no problem in the US housing market in 2007?
That Kudlow?
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 07, 2012 10:17 AM (jo069)
Can't say I'm excited about that for me personally, but it might wake people up.
Same here. I'm the newest guy on the team, so if they have to cut contractors I'll be the first to go.
Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 10:17 AM (HwgHt)
Posted by: catmman at November 07, 2012 10:17 AM (C8XlI)
Posted by: Cu'chulainn at November 07, 2012 10:17 AM (S2usR)
That's because we continually prop up their failing asses so the bite of reality never sets in. When we go into full FAIL mode no one is going to be around to hand us our wubby. We are going to choke hard. And so will Europe. I'm of the opinion right now that, that might be the best medicine.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 10:17 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 10:17 AM (B/VB5)
It's $100 billion, out of $3.8 trillion.
Fucking chicken feed.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 10:17 AM (RsSRf)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:17 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 10:18 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 10:18 AM (/eBe8)
Posted by: 2003 Liberal at November 07, 2012 10:18 AM (L2x1w)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:18 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 10:18 AM (B/VB5)
A prediction upon which I will stake my entire income from Social Security (fyi - that has a value of $0 after yesterday):
if the GOP house can make matters worse here, it will. Bank on it. Doubly so if they keep that squish Boehner as leader.
Posted by: Natasha at November 07, 2012 10:18 AM (jU5uf)
Have you seen that new World War Z trailer?!?!
Ain't no fucking outrunning the zombies!!!
Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 10:19 AM (GQ8sn)
Choom Boy's lips were moving. Therefore, it is a lie.
It is like Grant meeting Lee at Appomattox. Grant wanted Lee's surrender.
And I'm afraid Romney, a genuinely nice man who had no concept of war, will give his sword to Obama.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 07, 2012 10:19 AM (yKUrR)
Over ten years that number means jack shit.
So for all the phoniness that sequestration represents, I say roll over on it. Give the Dems whatever they want to avert the cliff. Make it crystal clear that THEY OWN IT. Abstain on the votes, even. If the American people want the SCOAMF's "ideas" to carry the day, well then, that's what they get. If the Republic burns as a result .. then that's what happens. The people get the government and the country that they voted for. Eventually the tipping point is passed and you can no longer save the country from itself.
That point was passed last night. The death spiral is inevitable now. May as well bring it on.
Posted by: I.M. at November 07, 2012 10:19 AM (1HVeO)
Posted by: The Third Rail at November 07, 2012 10:19 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 10:20 AM (moRRg)
We can't even get our guys elected to office.
How are we supposed to unseat an entire Congress of incumbents?
And why would we expect that even if we did, anything would change? IE, the players may change, but the game remains the same.
Posted by: looking closely at November 07, 2012 10:20 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: Idiocracy at November 07, 2012 10:20 AM (96M6e)
It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.
It's not the message that counts, it's who delivers the message.
See the reference to Thatcher above. The right has been ceding ground to the left on pop cultural issues for decades now. It's not 'cool' to be a republican or a righty, it's barely cool to be a libertarian and if it's true that movement is being fed by Axelrod, then it's not even a real movement, it's more AxelTurf.
Posted by: Boots at November 07, 2012 10:20 AM (neKzn)
Virginia, you voted for it, and now you're going to get it. Time to take your medicine.
this is the hill to die on folks.
Posted by: not the mama at November 07, 2012 10:20 AM (kzCIn)
Posted by: Jahson at November 07, 2012 10:20 AM (70WAZ)
Posted by: America at November 07, 2012 10:20 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 10:21 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 10:21 AM (G+Wff)
lets just say GOP house passes a gay marriage legalization bill, a defense of abortion in all circumstances act, a global warming prevention act, and an athiest promotion and defense bill.
Supposing that I have two questions:
1) would our candidate still be branded as a flat earth hater wanting to take us back to 1950?
2) Would we be able to win the support of the Obamaphone voters with an argument for fiscal responsibility?
I'm not a social conservative, but I realize that placating or moving left on the social issues undermines core conservative values and won't do much good in the end anyways.
I'm sad today because America does not want limited government.
Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 10:21 AM (Ho3p+)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 10:21 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:21 AM (96M6e)
You can fit approx 3k rounds in a 30 cal ammo can and they stack real nice and both are readily available at reasonable prices. Also a hell of a lot more handy for taking the King's deer... should the need arise in Sherwood Forest.
Posted by: Moose McKrank at November 07, 2012 10:21 AM (Xa1VJ)
Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 02:15 PM (LpQbZ)
There are enough drooling retards in this country who couldn't care less about real issues and voted for Barry because of a photo op. When the shit hits the fan they'll still be blaming Bush
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 10:21 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: encarn at November 07, 2012 10:22 AM (MVBMA)
Yawn. Your simple minded "blame the GOP" tripe is getting old.
The House GOP consists of elected officials. Elected by voters who just confirmed that they want more federal goodies, damn the consequences. They don't want more debt, but don't want spending cut or taxes increased.
That's who the GOP has to report to. They go to far against that impossible standard and they'll just be replaced with Democrats who will undo it all (and then some) in 2014.
But hey- if you don't mind the Dems holding the House, Senate and Presidency, you go ahead and rage against the machine some more.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 07, 2012 10:22 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 10:22 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 10:22 AM (J7sV0)
That's because we continually prop up their failing asses so the bite of reality never sets in. When we go into full FAIL mode no one is going to be around to hand us our wubby. We are going to choke hard. And so will Europe. I'm of the opinion right now that, that might be the best medicine.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012
***
Excellent!
Posted by: Vlad the Putin at November 07, 2012 10:22 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: Jahson at November 07, 2012 02:20 PM (70WAZ)
One of those kinds that runs scandisk looking for bad sectors before the OS comes back up.
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 10:23 AM (Qxe/p)
The GOP reboot needs to be, you know, a muther fucking REBOOT
Mia Love and Allen West got the re-boot.
We have nothing for 2016 right now. Even mentioning a candidate name belies the introspection and reflection that it is going to take to formulate a winning platform.
Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 10:23 AM (Ho3p+)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 10:23 AM (B/VB5)
Also, these defense contractors are not much different than Solyndra. Basically, crony capitalism for those with the best lobbyists. The F-35 fighter jet program was shown to cost a trillion dollars, that's less than is being cut with sequestration.
Our Founders would have been disgusted if they saw what sort of things our military engages in. Unless we're going to be invaded, we should stay out of it. The NeoCons are what destroyed the Republican brand.
Somehow I doubt the US will be invaded and conquered if we cut defense budgets.
Posted by: McAdams at November 07, 2012 10:23 AM (ZI/Cb)
I hate to go Rove/Bush on everybody, but we have to make inroads with the Hispanic population. I posted this on the disappearing thread:
The more I think about it, the abortion issue was a red herring in this election. Anyone who was basing their voting decision on "reproductive rights" was never going to vote for our side anyway.
We are fighting an uphill battle with demographics. You cannot win a national election when you only carry 30% of the Hispanic vote, especially given their % of the electorate will continue to increase.
It is time for our side to offer sensible, comprehensive immigration reform. Lyndon Johnson became the champion of the Great Society and believed that Blacks would be beholden to the Democrats for the next 200 years. Let our side be the force behind immigration reform, and the Hispanics will return the favor.
Posted by: tofer732 at November 07, 2012 10:24 AM (2zM0P)
Posted by: Cricket at November 07, 2012 01:45 PM (DrC22)
lol, I was just thinking I might have to go home "sick" if they add a prayer for "unity" or the big zero when they say grace.
Posted by: not the mama at November 07, 2012 10:24 AM (kzCIn)
Posted by: ejo at November 07, 2012 10:24 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 02:15 PM (LpQbZ)
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That's where I am right now. I don't get it. I'm more baffled than upset or pissed off. The country essential saw 7.9% unemployment, GDP growth 2% or lower, trillion+ dollar yearly budget deficits, high gas prices, high prices on nearly everything else as well, and said "Let's have 4 more years of that!".
I was at the gym earlier and fox news was on one of the tv's and they flashed some exit polling data that stated something like 59% of voters said the economy was the most important issue, and only something like 40% thought the country was headed in the right direction, and yet Obama was reelected?
I just don't get it.
Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 10:24 AM (s8XaI)
Posted by: The Dude at November 07, 2012 10:24 AM (tw6Ar)
The liberal reaction to victory is exactly why they win and we lose we vote for love of country and the American ideal they vote because they are spiteful loathing people that have a burning hatred for Republicans and would rather see this country burn than see a return to the traditional american ideal
Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 10:24 AM (AW9md)
Posted by: McAdams
Considering how much we've used our military since 1945 without once declaring war....
Posted by: SFGoth at November 07, 2012 10:24 AM (dZ756)
Take heart in the fact that all the tax money will go to the democrat's clients, cronies and donors.
No bridges.
No schools.
No big things.
Just waste.
Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 10:24 AM (O7ksG)
I mean facts, and why it is a good thing.
--
I'm mystified about this too. I know what they voted against and why, based on Obama's nonstop divide and conquer speeches.
Obama never said what he'd do over the next 4 years, what he'd do about unemployment or the economy or sequestration. Wonder if any Obama voters woke up this morning thinking "What happens now?" or better yet, "Oh shit, what did we do?"
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 10:25 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: I.M. at November 07, 2012 02:19 PM (1HVeO)
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The problem with that plan is, so many GOP house members in purple seats will make concessions once their constituents flood their phone lines telling them to keep the gravy train flowing.
My district houses a Boeing plant. No way Pat Meehan will allow any cuts to defense spending if Boeing is one of the targets.
Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 10:25 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Rosa E. at November 07, 2012 10:25 AM (IKVkI)
Posted by: Too Soon? at November 07, 2012 10:25 AM (S/ps/)
Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 10:25 AM (O7ksG)
2016? Right. Yeah, we'll get back at them then!
Except, of course, if the Dems decide to run Michelle "Evita" Obama who will win in a landslide because she'll be the first female AND black president and by then we'll be so thorougly and completely lobotomized and brainwashed into the growing-by-leaps-and-bounds identity politics culture that the p-whipped Republicans won't even bother to field an opposition candidate.
Posted by: Natasha at November 07, 2012 10:26 AM (jU5uf)
You are not getting the full story on that number. Sure women went for Obama but if you break it down it was because 96% of minority women voted for him and only around 45% white women.
So it is really the minority vote that put him ahead. I say "minority" but I guess I should say "privileged class". Whites are the minority now.
Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 10:26 AM (YdQQY)
Your words will fall of deaf Republican ears. Watch what McConnell and Boehner do.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 07, 2012 10:26 AM (vd7A8)
a question for anyone who might know - how much of the Defense budget is related to active military and retiree comp and benefits, how much is overhead (see Washington D.C.) and how much is actually spent on weaponry and programs?
Posted by: tofer732 at November 07, 2012 10:26 AM (2zM0P)
Posted by: GalosGann at November 07, 2012 10:27 AM (T3KlW)
Obama wants to meet with Romney?
"So I see from your resume your have recent senior management experience in government managed heath care. Good, good. How's your typing?"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 10:27 AM (kdS6q)
No, but there are plenty of people happy to take shots at us and damn the consequences. That was the lesson of 9/11, that non state actors had the ability to inflict significant damage on our country. Cutting the military and pulling out of the rest of the world will only leave it a much more violent and dangerous place, and that will eventually come back to haunt us.
Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 10:27 AM (HwgHt)
Posted by: CarolT at November 07, 2012 10:27 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 02:15 PM (LpQbZ) "
Higher taxes on the rich, baby! Revenge against the successful!
Posted by: Natasha at November 07, 2012 10:27 AM (jU5uf)
inroads with the hispanic population? really? i got news for you i live in southern california and if there was a vote to secede from the united states and become part of mexico again it would pass in a landslide.
Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 10:28 AM (AW9md)
Posted by: sans_sheriff at November 07, 2012 10:28 AM (OQHM+)
http://tinyurl.com/cv4uapt
FEMA Disaster Centers Shut Doors 'Due to Weather'
Oh, and Staten Island returns show they went narrowly for Obama
Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 10:28 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: encarn at November 07, 2012 10:28 AM (MVBMA)
Posted by: Goose McKrank at November 07, 2012 10:28 AM (Xa1VJ)
LOL...no f*cking chance. They're all busy dancing and calling us bitches.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 10:28 AM (S/ps/)
Posted by: The Third Rail at November 07, 2012 10:28 AM (r2PLg)
YouTube video: " Illuminati Satan worshipers prepare D.C. for Obama!!! "
http://tinyurl.com/bvycbwb
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 10:28 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: joncelli, reduced to platitudes at November 07, 2012 10:29 AM (RD7QR)
We are fighting an uphill battle with demographics. You cannot win a national election when you only carry 30% of the Hispanic vote, especially given their % of the electorate will continue to increase.
The main flaw is that this assumes that amnesty would result in an increased percentage of this vote. I do not believe that the percentage would increase; furthermore, the raw number of Democrat voters would explode since the vast majority of the newly minted legal immigrants originate from countries in which handouts and patronage are an expected way of life.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2012 10:29 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:29 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: Fritz at November 07, 2012 10:30 AM (/ZZCn)
Do-Nothing needs to be a badge of honor. For every liberal and reporter that complains about deadlock, every GOP Congressmen can point back to the election, "My constituents don't have a problem with my priorities." We crawled over glass, and yes, it failed. Now it's their turn. Obama and the Dems should have to crawl over glass to get meetings with the House GOP. Then they should still tell them, "With all do respect, Fuck Off!"
My dream, though, (and I'm not totally familiar with the rules), does the House even have to organize, Can the GOP simply opt-out, flee-bag even, would the Dems have recourse. What are the Quorum rules?, the GOP should just always ensure there aren't enough bodies to conduct business on the Floor. Keep the Committees running we still have to get to the bottom of Fast & Furious and Benghazi, but nothing else can happen.
*Long time lurker, Blue Moon commenter, First-time ranter
Posted by: ZhaoMing at November 07, 2012 10:30 AM (utM3+)
Posted by: Deli LLama at November 07, 2012 10:30 AM (lGu1O)
Obama wants to meet with Romney?
___
He's going to get Mitt to be the intermediary and get the GOP House to cave to everything preazy wants to do. Probably a Billy Jeff idea. Harry Reed the pedo or San Fran Nan would never have come up with that plan.
Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 10:30 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: eleven at November 07, 2012 10:30 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 10:31 AM (FcR7P)
So that "Business Czar" position is for real?
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Please Romney don't fall for it. Obama is looking for a scapegoat. He's going to need someone to blame over the next four years and who better than Romney.
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 10:31 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: tofer732 at November 07, 2012 10:32 AM (2zM0P)
The Catholic vote didn't go to Obama. The "culturally Catholic" vote went to Obama.
These are the people who, for reasons only God knows, like the veneer of religion without actually having to live with its icky rules. There is no Catholic who takes their faith seriously that could sit and listen to the letters from their Bishops being read in Mass last Sunday....and then still go and vote Obama.
None.
The people who did so were only culturally Catholic, they sure as hell weren't actual Catholics.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 10:32 AM (sbV1u)
We have reached the tipping point. There are more with their hands out wanting freebies than those who want to work and succeed. I was hoping we could pull back from the edge in time, but we didn't.
After Romney's 2 years of tireless work for us, I feel like we let him down.
It's twilight in America.
Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2012 10:32 AM (pWeX5)
Posted by: tofer732 at November 07, 2012 10:33 AM (2zM0P)
Too many of them don't understand that empires can and do collapse. They were raised in an era of US global domination and take that to be "normal" rather than an accidental "gift" side effect of being the last man standing after WWII.
Well, the last man standing effect started to wear off in the late 1990's, and its completely gone now. The "gift" 40 years was squandered by dim bulb politicians who thought it was the new normal too.
What we're seeing now with Obamanomics, the economy, unemployment, etc is a reversion to the pre-WWII norms where the US wasn't particularly exceptional...the "new normal" today is reversion to the old normal for pretty much of all 5,000 years of recorded history.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 10:33 AM (VGO7b)
Forget what the Repubs need to do. It's economic collapse. What emerges from that collapse will be nothing like the current status quo. Unfortantely, 9 times out of 10, that gives you a Hitler and not say a George Washington or Abe Lincoln so I'm not hopeful.
Only consolation is SCOAMF will be presiding over that crisis. Debt to GDP is at 104% or so (take a gander at the lastest DTS over at Treasury and see how fast total debt jumped in Oct. Debt ceiling runs out before year's end).
The only thing holding us up is pure pyschology, the belief amongst the world that the US economy can't fail. Just like Wile. E. Coyote when he finally noticed there's nothing but air underneath his feet, we crash.
We'll have a debt crisis before SCOAMF is out, the world will drop the dollar as the reserve currency (China and Russia are just waiting to make the move), and then the shit hits the fan.
Helicopter at the Fed will either print fast enough to cover the deficits and we hyperinflate, or he won't and we go into deflationary collapse mode. Either way, real GDP collapse and it's Argentina.
Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at November 07, 2012 10:33 AM (VVB18)
Posted by: Hillary at November 07, 2012 10:33 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:34 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: The Mega Independent
Treacher had a good article on this - he said that the only thing worse that a liberal that loses is a liberal that's won. They are ANGRY all of the time and can not help themselves with hurling names, making racists accusations, and stomping their grubby little feet.
I like Drudge's top headline showing a graph of the stock market plunging with the simple headline "Own It"
Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 10:34 AM (G+Wff)
give obama every fucking thing he wants take away the obstuctionist stick from democrats and smile when the collapse comes.its the only way conservatism will become viable again
Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 10:34 AM (AW9md)
Posted by: encarn at November 07, 2012 10:35 AM (MVBMA)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:36 AM (ZhjCA)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 02:34 PM (ZhjCA)
Could you explain why Romney outpolled every single one of the Senate candidates? There was no drag.
Posted by: tofer732 at November 07, 2012 10:36 AM (2zM0P)
Posted by: encarn at November 07, 2012 02:28 PM (MVBMA)
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Yeah, I know. But still...
Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 10:36 AM (s8XaI)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 10:36 AM (QupBk)
I did not say amnesty - I said sensible comprehensive immigration reform. We have a lot of bright minds on our side. There has to be a way to address the issue, without blowing up the border.
Whatever you meant to say is immaterial as the end result (and the only goal of the Democrats and the greedhead Republicans) is total amnesty. We could go in with a good faith attempt at commonsense reform and we would still end up with some form of amnesty because our people continually make the mistake of assuming that the Democrats are good faith negotiators. They don't care about Hispanics, they only care about power, and more Hispanic voters means more Democrats elected.
What's more, any attempt at legalization of those currently here will only result in a new wave of illegals.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2012 10:37 AM (JxMoP)
"And once you arrive at socialism there is no path back."
Sure there is. It's just not PC to talk about.
Posted by: Jaws at November 07, 2012 10:37 AM (4I3Uo)
324 -
I posted in the disappeared thread that I see Mrs. First Lady USA as the dem prez candidate in 2016 Obama's America.
It will never be Biden. His only purpose in life right now is to keep the elderly voting for dems. I'm sure Jay-Z and the other cool kids make fun of him when nobody else is around.
It will never be Hillary! because she's too old and too white. And she had a hand in the Benghazi butchery. And apparently Bill thinks it's funny to yank her chain while dragging Barky across the finish line.
Posted by: Boots at November 07, 2012 10:37 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 10:38 AM (ZhjCA)
This. This this this this this.
I have been feeling and saying similar things since G.H.W. Bush was President.
It doesn't seem to have worked. Perhaps I should feel and say it some more. Yeah, that's the ticket. Repeat what's been failing for 20 years.
The party elders and establishment are senile. Yet ousting the gerontocracy seems impossible even as their failures accumulate. GOP-SSR.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 10:39 AM (ymG7s)
Why? Because it's a no-win for the GOP. For all his faults, Boehner is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
They can negotiate and get screaming wrath from the base, or they can hold firm, shut down the government, get blamed and face an angry electorate in 2014 who wants their goodies back.
Anything the GOP does in January can be undone by a Dem controlled House who would be all too happy to just raise the debt ceiling without cutting spending.
The country is sick, but the voters have decided that the medicine is too bitter to take. Force it down their throats and they'll find a new doctor.
If you're looking for a solution, there isn't one short of convincing the electorate that they can't have their cake and eat it too.
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 07, 2012 10:39 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 10:39 AM (AW9md)
Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:39 AM (96M6e)
Posted by: supercore23 at November 07, 2012 10:39 AM (bwV72)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 10:43 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: That Guy at November 07, 2012 10:46 AM (LmEvg)
Let Sequestration happen.
Let Bush Tax Cuts Expire.
Let Social Security and Medicare Go Bankrupt.
Let these dumb mother fucking lazy gimme stuff assholes get whats coming to them.
They voted for it.
They Own it.
FEED IT TO THEM COLD!
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 07, 2012 10:47 AM (ovpNn)
-- That's a ridiculous thing to say. There are plenty of ways to enact change that doesn't involve the deaths of millions of people because Republicans couldn't win an election.
Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 10:48 AM (moRRg)
Posted by: yinzer at November 07, 2012 10:48 AM (/Mla1)
supercore23
and how well did that work for us this go around? you think democrats are going to grow weaker over the next four years? a powerful beast needs to feed to stay strong if you can't kill it at the ballot box then you need to starve it to death.i'm sorry i'm not a doom and gloom guy normally but this election was a real fork in the road.we need to try to keep the core GOP alive hunker down and not be afraid of the cataclism about to happen and be viable when its time to pick up the pieces
Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 10:49 AM (AW9md)
LET THE MOTHER FUCKER BURN!
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 07, 2012 10:50 AM (ovpNn)
Posted by: vivi at November 07, 2012 10:52 AM (gA85w)
"311 I hate to go Rove/Bush on everybody, but we have to make inroads with the Hispanic population."
Fuck the Hispanics. Put the principles of lower taxes, smaller government and less regulation out there and let whoever agrees come along. Don't pander to ethnic groups.
We didn't lose this election because of Hispanics. All we needed to to do was get out our base.
Hispanic will gravitate to the republican party because they don't want to end up like the blacks did with democrats.
Posted by: jwest at November 07, 2012 10:52 AM (ZDsRL)
Matt S.
you missed my point completely my point was it has never been popular to be a Republican. our party earned its right to exist in the bloody crucible of war.i am not condoning civil war but we should not be afraid to once again earn our right to exist in the aftermath of the upheval that i believe is coming
Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 10:57 AM (AW9md)
@116:
That's why the indies and libertarians dumped all over you this go 'round. Anyone who disagrees with you should die. Such a very helpful and germane point to bring to a polite and civil discussion.
(That's why they call you 'haters'...and get away with it.)
iow, you're part of the problem, not a part of the solution.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 07, 2012 10:58 AM (WwR1j)
Posted by: Frnacis at November 07, 2012 10:58 AM (WptXn)
next 4-5 layers of minions underneath them. It's time to clean house
and start over. The GOP establish -- whoever or wherever 'it' is -- is
clearly and absolutely MORE incompetent than our shockingly incompetent
President."
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Disagree. The GOP isn't the problem. Romney wasn't the problem. A different set of bodies would be demonized every bit as mercilessly by Obama, Dems and the media. First we have to neutralize the media influence. Then we have a fair shot for our people, our values, and our candidates to make their case.
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 10:59 AM (F3s39)
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Because abstaining has the same end result as "hell no" without giving the media/Dems the opportunity to demonize the GOP as obstructionists and "the party of no."
Don't stop them, but don't help them.
But this is idle talk. Boehner will deal. The GOP reps might or might not go along though.
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 11:02 AM (F3s39)
Don't know about other places - but in Texas you never want to buy less than $1000 worth of silver at a time; there is no sales tax on bullion sales of $1000 or more. Saves $87.50 per thousand.
Posted by: An Observation at November 07, 2012 11:04 AM (ylhEn)
the 47% who don't pay taxes will feel it somehow.
Posted by: perdogg at November 07, 2012 11:07 AM (oSdsj)
(http://tinyurl.com/adutny3 - in case the inserted link doesn't show up)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 07, 2012 11:14 AM (vd7A8)
Agreed, Drew.
No tax cuts. The Obama Party wants all the Bush tax cuts gone, they can have them gone.
People want higher taxes so damn bad; let them pay them themselves.
And yes on sequestration. As it was put beautifully above, it's time to shoot the hostage. Let the Obama Party explain why they massively slashed defense spending to give money to the drunks. We saw this when they essentially sh*t themselves to keep layoff notices from going out prior to the election; use it.
Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 07, 2012 11:26 AM (j5Kqp)
Posted by: GalosGann at November 07, 2012 11:28 AM (T3KlW)
Which will quite possibly lead to some part(s) of the world blowing up.
Posted by: Anon at November 07, 2012 11:28 AM (fh3lh)
Posted by: BuddyPC at November 07, 2012 11:33 AM (jfUIE)
FUCK 'EM.
Say yes to everything they want. Raise taxes, more regs, more free shit..go for it.
I just want to hurry the WAR along! Sooner the better.
And I'm making nothing but grocery purchases from now on. If I can afford 'em.
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 07, 2012 11:40 AM (e7S3p)
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Posted by: Jim Bender at November 07, 2012 01:24 PM (fbpjp)
Last night was the night we lost our country. It's a slow creep toward second-rate banana republic status now. We're officially a kleptocracy.
Posted by: DRayRaven at November 07, 2012 02:32 PM (kM8yp)
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Let's have sequestration.
Sounds great to me.
Also, just for fun, when the Bush tax cuts expire, lots of the 47% who currently pay no taxes, will 'suddenly' find themselves with tax bills again.
Yay.
Posted by: Looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:27 AM (PwGfd)