March 23, 2012
— Open Blogger I am really surprised that the blog here allowed the second anniversary of the passage of Obamacare to pass without any sort of comemmoration at all.
While pretty much everything democrats said about it was a lie, and pretty much everything its opponents said about it has come true, there's one group that's left out of that prognosticating checklist: House Republicans.
On several occasions, and as recently as a year ago, the leadership have promised to defund the fluker. As the holders of the federal purse strings, they had every ability to just. not. pay. for. its. implementation.
But as you may have already realized, implementation proceeds apace.
In other words, they fluking lied about it. THIS. The whole reason they're +67 House seats and closed the gap in the Senate.
We as a nation didn't send them there out of some sense of fairness or because we're feeling better about the color red on our electoral maps than we did in 2008. We sent them there to stop this fluker.
And in the one capacity where they could have done so, no questions asked, they simply failed to act.
If you were to ask Bone-Or and Can't-Or about it, they might candidly tell you that they didn't think it was a wise move because they would then be blamed for "shutting down the government" when the Senate and president and especially the blood-libel media pitched a fit over it. Yes, Bone-Or and Can't-Or probably would be blamed for it.
But that's what we sent you to do, your equivocating, feckless pantywaists: Stop it or die trying. Stop it. Or die trying.
This kind of political cowardice is unacceptable. It's the reason I am personally bearish on the prospect of the Republicans spending any political capital whatsoever in an attempt to repeal Obamacare. It's why when we hear the term "repeal and replace," depsite the fact nobody outside of the Beltway wants it replaced by anything any federal actor might come up with. They continue to insist upon the term. Even the Tea Party reps use it. Almost as if they've already given up on the prospect of just getting out of the way.
"Almost"? No. They haven't given up on the idea, because they've never contemplated it. They've never contemplated giving up power, just like Megan McCain has never contemplated going through the day without carrying an extra bag of chocolate muffins in her pocket, just in case.
I'm hoping the question ain't rhetorical: if House Republicans won't stand up to Obamacare now, then when?
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Posted by: Glaucon at March 23, 2012 05:34 AM (mP9Rx)
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Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 05:38 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Texan Economist at March 23, 2012 05:38 AM (TC/9F)
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at March 23, 2012 05:39 AM (S3rrR)
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 05:40 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Damiano at March 23, 2012 05:40 AM (A2+pr)
Posted by: dogfish at March 23, 2012 05:41 AM (N2yhW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 05:41 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Edgar Winter at March 23, 2012 05:42 AM (4q3Dw)
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 05:42 AM (lpWVn)
Anyway, the pom-pom gang lied, the nay-sayers told the truth, and the House Republicans are shiftless lying glass-headed wollabies. And I think I got the thing formatted correctly.
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 05:44 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Optimizer at March 23, 2012 05:44 AM (As94z)
Posted by: Lawrence Person at March 23, 2012 05:44 AM (vG6fa)
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And GWBush's final executive order authorized the Sec./Treasury complete autonomy to spend without Congressional authority, and not be held accountable.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 05:44 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 23, 2012 05:45 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: Depressed at March 23, 2012 05:45 AM (0h+bM)
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2012 05:45 AM (A2cTV)
This.
And this is why I'm less and less moved by arguments in favor of "establishment" politicians "They're better than democrats!" Well, yes. Drowning, it seems to me, is better than being burned at the stake. I'd much rather not die.
If they won't act to stop it, then they are acting to implement it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 05:45 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 05:47 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2012 05:47 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Justamom at March 23, 2012 05:48 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Waste at March 23, 2012 05:48 AM (VDl0K)
That fact that the House hasn't even considered defunding this POS bill that no one wants is a testament to the failure of Crying Boehner's leadership.
WTF is he afraid of? Why not do what the majority of us want done and defund it? Isn't that, like, what they're supposed to be doing?
And if they want to replace it with something, how about letting the free market do it all by itself by opening up interstate insurance markets nationwide and trying a bit of deregulation for once?
We need a thorough Housecleaning and soon. Ditto the Senate. Crying Boehner and Bitch McConnell need to go, ASAP.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 23, 2012 05:48 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 23, 2012 05:49 AM (dptRY)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 05:49 AM (5HAgy)
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 05:50 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 05:50 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 23, 2012 05:52 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 05:53 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 05:54 AM (5HAgy)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 05:54 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 23, 2012 05:57 AM (u50z0)
Yeah, polynikes, I saw, right after I hit the Post button.
Still, these people in the GOP leadership aren't leading for some unexplained reason. They aren't doing the people's will, and haven't done so for a long time. Basically, we've lost control of the government.
And that deserves the ire of all of us, all the time, unless and until the problem gets fixed.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 23, 2012 05:57 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 23, 2012 05:57 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2012 05:57 AM (A2cTV)
Oddly enough, vendors require payment to deliver their projects. If there's no funding, vendors don't get paid.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 05:58 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 05:58 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Justamom at March 23, 2012 05:59 AM (Sptt8)
Doom.
Posted by: toby928© at March 23, 2012 05:59 AM (GTbGH)
This is true. And it will spell the end of the Republic. When those we elect to represent us are more concerned with optics and re-election than doing the right thing, the right thing will never get done.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 05:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jimmah at March 23, 2012 05:59 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: Justamom at March 23, 2012 06:00 AM (Sptt8)
Obama Administration Will Give Muslim Brotherhood $1.5 Billion in US Aid
Posted by: momma at March 23, 2012 06:00 AM (oKsWl)
Posted by: NotALibertarian at March 23, 2012 06:00 AM (EjhWd)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 23, 2012 06:00 AM (i0App)
It might be a good idea to wait a week and see if the Supreme Court tosses the whole thing out as unconstitutional.
Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2012 06:01 AM (FdndL)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 06:02 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 06:02 AM (4GgJq)
The RNC received an outraged letter instead of a donation.
Posted by: Pecos, still yearning for Perry at March 23, 2012 06:03 AM (2Gb0y)
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Neoconservative Republicans want more power to abuse regardless of constitutional restraints. So goes authoritarianism, regardless of title or name.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 06:03 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Damiano at March 23, 2012 06:03 AM (A2+pr)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:03 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Justamom at March 23, 2012 06:05 AM (Sptt8)
"The Media will write mean things about them if they attack liberal positions, so the Republicans sit in the back and never speak up."
The Progressive Pravda does that anyway, and will make up a story to do so if they have to (see, Womyn, War On and Birth Control, Banning).
I'm about ready for a Congressional Draft: just start picking legislators for office from the phone book. They couldn't possibly do a worse job than the professional politicans we have now who claim to be on our side.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 23, 2012 06:05 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: jjmurphy at March 23, 2012 06:05 AM (xjEAl)
Solyndra Green is people.
Posted by: Jimbo at March 23, 2012 06:06 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Damiano at March 23, 2012 06:07 AM (A2+pr)
54 Reminder: It has never been about healthcare.
Yup. It is about taking control over every aspect of our lives. .....They declared that there was a healthcare "crisis", then preyed on that....used it as an excuse to pass this monstrosity like there was some sort of big emergency.
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 06:07 AM (4GgJq)
Posted by: Dick Morristradamus at March 23, 2012 06:08 AM (Fz7+s)
Those who receive power crave more of it and will do what ever it takes to keep it.
In these politicians minds , power is the only attribute that counts. The more control you have the more elite you obviously must be. Far too elite to be bothered with the little people . (see John McCain)
Posted by: reality check at March 23, 2012 06:08 AM (Zw/H7)
The show must go on. Until it can't.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2012 06:08 AM (ccXZP)
There was a big emergency and they tackled it and saved the healthcare system. That's why in 2016 there will still be 30 million uninsured people.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 06:09 AM (Fz7+s)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2012 06:10 AM (HethX)
Posted by: RushBabe, Praying for Divine Intervention at March 23, 2012 06:10 AM (tQHzJ)
OMG!! I see it now!
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Cantor=Obama=Bohner
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We have achieved Nirvanic continuity of beurocratic onesness.
Posted by: S. Flook at March 23, 2012 06:10 AM (8ieXv)
Oddly enough, vendors require payment to deliver their projects. If there's no funding, vendors don't get paid.
Oh I know that. I just assume they'd send them the money anyway. I'm not kidding about that. I honest and truly believe that the checks would be cut and then Obama would dare the Republicans to go out and explain to the American public why Johnny Q. Vendor, small businessman, cannot rely on the full faith and credit of the US.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:10 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Damiano at March 23, 2012 06:10 AM (A2+pr)
233 The ground is being prepared for the meme that the Court will uphold the individual mandate. The meme now: Conservative legal scholars privately admit that the Court will narrowly uphold it. Don't know if this has any basis in reality or is simply a disinformation operation; I link, you decide: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6tj7jdd
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 06:10 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:10 AM (i6RpT)
Depends on how full of crap people, in general, were about not being willing to accept it.
Most likely, given how soft we've become as a society, we slip into the equality of poverty, China takes over Super Power status, and pretty soon we (or our children or grandchildren, at the latest) are all speaking Mandarin. Or Arabic.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:11 AM (8y9MW)
"That's why in 2016 there will still be 30 million uninsured people."
Yup, double the number of previously uninsured Americans.
Progressives: Is there anything they can't fuck up?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 23, 2012 06:11 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 23, 2012 06:12 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:12 AM (i6RpT)
OMG!! I see it now!
**
Cantor=Obama=Bohner
*
We have achieved Nirvanic continuityof beurocratic onesness.
You forgot about me.
Posted by: Mitt RomneyCare at March 23, 2012 06:12 AM (7+pP9)
Um, when they can actually get a bill through the Senate? Come on, they were never going to do much more than hold the line until the GOP retakes the Senate.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 06:12 AM (RD7QR)
Gee, I must have missed the memo.
This is silly stuff.
Posted by: DrewM. at March 23, 2012 06:12 AM (YqXne)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 06:13 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:13 AM (i6RpT)
Anyway, I was told that if I should hint to my doctor that if there are any tests that they think might be useful for me, to order them now, this year. (She said a lot of doctors have long term testing plans because they think insurance won't cover them all.) She told me that next year, all bets are off - my premium could triple, tests will not be oked, etc. I asked her if she meant if BO was re-elected. She said, 'No. Too much of Health Care Act has already been implemented. The effects are going to show up next year - after the election this November.'
I cried like a baby when I hung up. This is my insurance company telling me this. Fuck. Shit. Damn.
Posted by: momma at March 23, 2012 06:14 AM (oKsWl)
Posted by: packsoldier at March 23, 2012 06:14 AM (9tLNI)
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Damn spycams.
Posted by: Conservative Legal Scholars at March 23, 2012 06:14 AM (Fz7+s)
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The fight moves on the legislature where a valiant battle will be fought with Boehner to undo.....ah....
.... ummm..... nevermind.
We'd be boned.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2012 06:15 AM (C8hzL)
Something that gives me a little bit of hope....is that recent Supreme Court ruling against the EPA. ....That was a thing of beauty.
If they apply that same sort of reasoning...to ZeroCare...then I would think that it will be struck down.
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 06:15 AM (4GgJq)
Posted by: Justamom at March 23, 2012 06:16 AM (Sptt8)
Until the final collapse.
In a sense, this is the argument for why it would be better for Obama to get re-elected, rather than Romney.
Because if Obama is president, the right will still continue to resist Obama care. But not if Romney is elected.
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^^THIS
Many argue that the country can't withstand another 4 years of Obama. But the damage is done. Romney would inherit a crumbling mess with a spineless congress. It will be too late. Republicans will be blamed. Pointing at Obama will elicit ridicule.
Monty's DOOM! lives on.
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 23, 2012 06:16 AM (4tnQK)
I know you don't want to believe it but he did say it.
http://minx.cc/?post=324815
Now, I can understand why you don't believe Mitt since he lies all the time about his positions but he did say it.
Posted by: DrewM. at March 23, 2012 06:16 AM (YqXne)
I haven't had any health insurance for a while now, since '07. If I don't find a better job, I cannot afford whatever it is that OCare mandates me to purchase.
Will they arrest me then?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 23, 2012 06:17 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: jeannebodine at March 23, 2012 06:17 AM (byR8d)
That's just stupid, Drew.
1) The House controls the Purse Strings. All spending must go through the House.
2) The Republicans have had several chances to "shut down the Government" on which they've passed. I think it would have taken no more than one of those to at least get some of the worst bits of OCare stalled.
3) Every time a fight arises, we're reminded that we don't control the WH or Senate- as though that absolves the House of its responsibilities.
We elected them to stop this behemoth, not to give us excuses why they can't.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:17 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:17 AM (i6RpT)
(a) expand it (until it controls every aspect of your life)
(b) shut it down and survive the resulting chaos
Both are painful, but I prefer (b) so I can make my own decisions.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 23, 2012 06:17 AM (Qxe/p)
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GHWBush clarified what "No New Taxes" means to the Republican Leadership. Not only do Neoconservative Republicans refuse to cut spending, they do vote new taxes fees and fines. Worse yet, they keep spending, augmenting current levels (higher than Obama's unprecedented rate) .
Neoconservatives will NEVER cut spending. And they will force taxpayers to continue bailing out their own unprecedented ruin of the national and world economy, refinancing globalist finance industry FRAUD, spreading global warfare all the while.
GWBush and Paulson made clear that Republicans are raping America. That they do it with a smile, and expect a "thank you" in return, "Miss Me Yet" is the rapist taunting the victim. It took GWBush to get an Obama elected. Obamalite "Repo Man" isn't going to be any different than another Bush administration without the Bush name. I'd expect Jeb Bush to be Mitt's Secretary of State. And though the Bush's endorse Rubio on the '12 VP ticket, I'd expect Mitt to run with Condi Rice against Obama, especially after the Limbaugh anti-women faux pas crass humor.
Putin will rule Russia, and Condi would be the VP to supposedly counter Putin since Mitt hasn't a clue.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 06:18 AM (lpWVn)
He sucks like the Black Hole.
Posted by: ontherocks at March 23, 2012 06:18 AM (ZJCDy)
Anyway, the pom-pom gang lied, the nay-sayers told the truth, and the House Republicans are shiftless lying glass-headed wollabies.
Again. You forgot that part. Again.
Posted by: Entropy at March 23, 2012 06:18 AM (TULs6)
1. They'd be wrong.
2. Doom arrives sooner.
Posted by: Bob (Night Shift Supervisor - Halliburton Earthquake Division) at March 23, 2012 06:18 AM (TcY34)
Posted by: packsoldier at March 23, 2012 06:19 AM (9tLNI)
If this is true, then we already have collapsed. Obama is not the answer, he is the problem. Keeping the problem is not the solution.
Posted by: dogfish at March 23, 2012 06:19 AM (N2yhW)
I sent him a link to a "Bush is Hitler" protest and said that the left was a hell of a lot worse to Bush. His reply:
"Regarding your link, I do not condone any comparison to Hitler/Nazis for any American politician, at least those that are not white supremacists or fascists. But that was a red herring anyway and not at all what I was talking about.
Hedgehog, I haven't done this yet to anyone, but I feel that I have to defriend you. I no longer have anything in common with you and do not care to hear your opinions any longer. Sorry and good luck."
You gotta love those "tolerant, open minded" liberals.
By the way, this jackhole used to write for Jon Stewart and he also told me that there is nothing funny about Obama.
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 06:19 AM (3jGS1)
Boned.
Posted by: toby928© at March 23, 2012 06:20 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:20 AM (i6RpT)
Muse, all taxing bill must originate in the House.
Art. I, Sec. 7, Para 1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 23, 2012 06:20 AM (kqqGm)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 23, 2012 06:20 AM (Af3Wg)
The Republicans can't be expected to do anything until they control the House, the Senate with a filibuster proof majority -- plus a few extra votes to account for the Scott Browns of the party, the White House, a majority of the Supreme Court, a majority of the State Governors and legislatures, the Elven Rings of Power and a chunk of the True Cross.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 23, 2012 06:20 AM (kdS6q)
Did I see something the other day about sperm counts going down 50%? The feminization of America proceeds apace.<<<
Pfft.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 23, 2012 06:22 AM (APmL9)
Posted by: lowandslow at March 23, 2012 06:22 AM (GZitp)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 23, 2012 06:22 AM (d0Tfm)
You forgot The Eye of Odin and Aladdin's Lamp.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:22 AM (8y9MW)
You're living in a fantasy world where the GOP would shut down the government, including defense, Social Security and everything else. It's not going to happen.
The reason they won't do it isn't because they are cowards it's because it's political suicide.
People really need to stop thinking that the real world is anything like the comment section of a conservative blog.
Posted by: DrewM. at March 23, 2012 06:22 AM (YqXne)
http://bit.ly/GRiKVg
Posted by: mama winger at March 23, 2012 06:22 AM (P6QsQ)
Metaphorically speaking- yes. That's more-or-less what a Government shut-down would be.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:23 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:23 AM (i6RpT)
No, I'm not. I'm living in the real world where I know they're too cowardly to take a stand. That doesn't mean I don't get to call them out for the cowards they are.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:24 AM (8y9MW)
Cover the earth, Sherwyn.
Posted by: MSM per se at March 23, 2012 06:24 AM (rzTDZ)
Read to the end.
Christians Raise Funds to Help Atheist Who Threatened to Sue Over TX Nativity Scene
http://tinyurl.com/79oc47b
Posted by: momma at March 23, 2012 06:25 AM (oKsWl)
Then it's doom. We're just rearranging chairs.
Posted by: toby928© at March 23, 2012 06:25 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:25 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: eman at March 23, 2012 06:25 AM (znjnh)
Some of them, yes. Some of the colonists blamed the Seperationists for the Revolutionary war. Should the war not have been fought?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:26 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at March 23, 2012 06:26 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: momma at March 23, 2012 10:25 AM (oKsWl)
Yeah, but did they bring him tuna casserole with potato chip topping, jello salad with marshmallows, wash his car and mow his lawn too? It's not a proper Lutheran riot until that happens. Oh I forgot the ritualistic throwing of the Nilla wafers.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:27 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 23, 2012 06:28 AM (Af3Wg)
Before he'd committed murder, what do you contend he'd done that warranted being arrested? Or did I miss something else he'd done?
Yes- I know he was a terrorist who'd been released (at French request, I think?). So you can certainly make the case that he shouldn't have been free in the first place. However, given that he had been freed- what had he done since then that merited incarceration?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:28 AM (8y9MW)
Did you see what Pelosi said about ObamaScare yesterday?
http://tinyurl.com/7qvpgt4
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that Obamacare facilitates the type of “liberation” that the “Founders had in mind” because it allows you to quit your job and become a “photographer,” a “writer,” a “musician”--or “whatever.”
“As you hear from these stories, this is a liberation,” Pelosi said at a Capitol Hill news conference Thursday.
“This is what our founders had in mind--ever expanding opportunity for people.
“You want to be a photographer or a writer or a musician, whatever -- an artist, you want to be self-employed, if you want to start a business, you want to change jobs, you no longer are prohibited from doing that because you can’t have access to health care, especially because you do not want to put your family at risk,” she said.
Posted by: momma at March 23, 2012 06:28 AM (oKsWl)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Rioting Christian at March 23, 2012 06:29 AM (d0Tfm)
Will they arrest me then? >>
I've been in the same boat since '09, with no prospect for change until I hit 65 and get to join broke-ass Medicare. Here's what will happen --
You file your taxes for 2013 with no proof of insurance. The government kicks your return out, requiring that proof. You don't provide it, so they issue a fine. You don't pay the fine, they start putting liens on everything you own, seize your bank accounts and in general make you either pay up or go Galt. But you won't be able to sell anything (the liens) without their cut first.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2012 06:29 AM (ccXZP)
I will purchase (or not) insurance based on MY considerations. No government entity will have any influence in my decision. If that runs counter to what may be construed as lawful, then come force me, assholes. I'll guarantee that I will do as stated.
And that will be my "hill to die on".
Posted by: irongrampa at March 23, 2012 06:29 AM (SAMxH)
Um, when they can actually get a bill through the Senate? Come on, they were never going to do much more than hold the line until the GOP retakes the Senate.
"We'll going to send this up for defunding every week. We're going to remind everyone what the dems have done every week." (Boehner, Cantor and crew quote, preceded by "Vote for us and..." in 2010.)
Jeanne - Levin mentioned Adam Kinzinger, TEA Party freshman and one-time AoSHQ favorite, with an ACU rating of 72, versus an old guy (forgot his name) with a 92 rating. They threw the old guy overboard.
Posted by: RushBabe, Praying for Divine Intervention at March 23, 2012 06:30 AM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:30 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 23, 2012 06:32 AM (WCuHB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:32 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 06:32 AM (DGIjM)
defriend you. I no longer have anything in common with you and do not care to
hear your opinions any longer. Sorry and good luck."
You gotta love those "tolerant, open minded" liberals.
By the way, this jackhole used to write for Jon Stewart and he also told me that there is nothing funny about Obama.
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 10:19 AM (3jGS1)
What a pathetic piece of shit to pull that garbage. You have nothing in common when you don't agree politically? Good fucking riddance to that turd. Maybe Liebowitz came to the conclusion that he's better off not getting jokes from him.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 23, 2012 06:33 AM (L5Bk+)
A doctor called in and said they had made a video explaining the negative consequences of ObamaCare.
Anyone hear where you can find that video?
Posted by: momma at March 23, 2012 06:33 AM (oKsWl)
No- that would qualify. Well, actually I'd throw that in with "commit murder," if they knew he'd been the one to do that.
I thought they discounted him (well, all muzzies, really) since those soldiers were also Muslim. So they, then, had reason to arrest him- but they didn't believe they did because they weren't looking at him for that crime. If you see what I'm saying, there.
If the did suspect him for that crime, then they absolutely fell down on the job. But I can also see the (wrongheaded, liberal fantasyland) reason that would explain why they wouldn't "like him" for those first murders.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:33 AM (8y9MW)
However, given that he had been freed- what had he done since then that merited incarceration?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:28 AM (8y9MW)
Ya mean besides killing the 3 French Soldiers?
I think the comment was what did he do before that. I initially had the "ummm killing people" response but then I reread the quote and realized the discussion was about the time between release and the killing spree, not the spree itself.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:33 AM (VtjlW)
When Blue Cross Blue Shield asks me why I am dropping coverage, I will reply "I am moving to another state."
Posted by: Jimbo at March 23, 2012 06:33 AM (O3R/2)
Speaking of 'Doom'....
Looks like the best way to make money these days....is to be in the Doomsday Prepping business in some way. .....Anyone see that new show 'Doomsday Bunkers' on the Discovery Channel?
It looks to me like the big flaw in one of those underground bunkers....is the air vent. ....If someone wants to force you to open that big steel door, all they would have to do is plug up your air vent.
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 06:34 AM (4GgJq)
Posted by: Justamom at March 23, 2012 06:35 AM (Sptt8)
"I've been in the same boat since '09, with no prospect for change until I hit 65 and get to join broke-ass Medicare. Here's what will happen --
You file your taxes for 2013 with no proof of insurance. The government kicks your return out, requiring that proof. You don't provide it, so they issue a fine. You don't pay the fine, they start putting liens on everything you own, seize your bank accounts and in general make you either pay up or go Galt. But you won't be able to sell anything (the liens) without their cut first."
Hmm. I don't own any property, I have little in the way of stuff I can sell, since I've been selling everything I didn't absolutely have to have for years now just to make ends meet, I drive a truck that turns 22 years old in a few months that can't be worth much, no gold teeth.
Heh, they may just be SOL.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Rioting Christian at March 23, 2012 06:35 AM (d0Tfm)
I was playing golf with a "buddy" when I made a statement critical of Obama. Without a word, he packed up and literally walked off the course. Never played with him since, even after reaching out to him. Saw him at a meeting last week and he didn't even acknowledge my presence.
Civility, indeed.
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 23, 2012 06:36 AM (4tnQK)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 23, 2012 06:37 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 10:32 AM (DGIjM)
So are you denying that Romney made that statement? I am not talking about whether or not you believe there is additional context, are you continuing to deny that those words came out of his mouth? Because your initial position was a flat denial.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:37 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: toby928© at March 23, 2012 06:37 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 23, 2012 06:38 AM (i6RpT)
What part of "shut down the government" doesn't compute? I mean, beyond the fact it would have a political cost (here, let me get out my violin).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:38 AM (8y9MW)
What they don't fund, doesn't get funded, so , yeah.
Posted by: toby928© at March 23, 2012 06:39 AM (GTbGH)
161Speaking of 'Doom'....
Looks like the best way to make money these days....is to be in the Doomsday Prepping business in some way. .....Anyone see that new show 'Doomsday Bunkers' on the Discovery Channel?
It looks to me like the big flaw in one of those underground bunkers....is the air vent. ....If someone wants to force you to open that big steel door, all they would have to do is plug up your air vent.
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Holes suck, trust me
Posted by: Saddam at March 23, 2012 06:39 AM (UpwlP)
The Tea Party manifested itself over ObamaCare.
The Tea Party neoconservatives have held to their Bush course as rigidly as Rumsfeld held to no build up of forces. But one feature to monopolize is the stubborn refusal to admit defeat -- at least to maintain opposition to ObamaCare as long as the Afghanistan US War effort, 10 years and running.
The Tea Party Vote is a movement that won't roll over and die just because the master ordered the dog to play dead.
Screw the Republican Leadership for not counting your vote. Persist! Vote in new Constitutional Republicans advocating for LOCAL GOVERNANCE and less federal abusive power in America.
Every region has primaries in the offing. In Central Texas, RETIRE John Carter, R-TX, establishment trained dog, all bark and no bite out of federal spending and corruption. Vote Eric Klingemann into Congress for smaller government and lower taxes, and Ted Cruz for Senate (though I have no faith in Dick Armey Freedom Works).
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 06:39 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 23, 2012 10:33 AM (L5Bk+)
He writes for Conan now. He couldn't handle anything outside of his liberal echo chamber. I don't miss him...
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 06:40 AM (3jGS1)
I'm sorry, but Truman is just wrong about this. We don't have the Senate and as long as that mofo Harry Reid is in charge of it, anything the GOP tried to do to de-fund any of Obamacare was going to fail. Both of Paul Ryan's budgets have de-funded it. Both budgets passed the House. What the hell else are they supposed to do?
Mitch McConnell said yesterday that if the GOP wins control of the Senate, its first vote in 2013 is going to be repeal of Obamacare. That's a pretty black-letter promise. Nothing has been done yet that can't be undone; sure, the money that has been spent can't be recovered, but that is small beans compared to stopping the tsunami of spending that is yet to come if it isn't repealed.
What President Romney needs to do is enlist Rick Perry and Chris Christie to convene the governors and work out a plan for the states to take over a lot of health care reform, to get a model law that will open up health insurance to interstate marketing with continued state regulation, etc. Then lead the charge to repeal the PPACA, repeal the employer tax deduction for health insurance, enact a 100% tax credit for individuals to buy a catastrophic health insurance policy, and put Americans in charge of their own health care.
Posted by: rockmom at March 23, 2012 06:40 AM (aBlZ1)
@164, Darth Chipmunk
There shall be no criticism of The One©. Unity is mandatory.
Isn't that the basic definition of Fascism? .....That no opposition is allowed?
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 06:41 AM (4GgJq)
I guess most people (unlike concrete face Pelosi) finally read the bill.
I'm posting this from China, where I am working since all the globalists who got the NeoCons and their poster child Barrack elected have shipped all jobs overseas.
I was hoping the Supreme court would send ObamaCare, Pelosi and her two flying monkeys (Barrack and Holder) back to the dark forest where they belong, but I'm counting on them to have a frickin spine, or a set of gonads any more than I am counting on 'Mittens" or Congress to have them either.
Posted by: LittleSmod at March 23, 2012 06:41 AM (m29/F)
Refuse to pass any other budget
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 06:42 AM (yFER9)
And? Did they have any evidence that those "serious complaints" were worthy of criminal charges? Someone above said he'd kidnapped his neighbor's kid. If that's true (I don't entirely believe it), then- again- they fell down on the job. Kidnapping is a criminal offense and he should have been in jail.
But. Just being a scumbag with a criminal record is not actually a reason to be incarcerated, once you've been freed. If it were, cops would re-arrest parolees and convicts with completed sentences just on general principles. And, again, on the 3 soldiers murdered- I can see why their first assumption would not have been a known Jihadist. I think it's blindness- probably willful blindness- to reality, but I do at least understand it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:42 AM (8y9MW)
I'm pretty sure whatever else I have in common with people who wish to enslave me so they can get "free" stuff without having to do anything icky like work a day job until someone wants to buy their shitty art...they're not my friends.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 23, 2012 06:43 AM (ZKzrr)
Does anyone stop to think?.. That to get things done, you have to hold the reins of power.
If you listen to a prick like Michael Tanner, sowing the seeds of discontent, you will end up with less power, and you'll NEVER get rid of this monstrosity.
I've watched this crap, all my life.
Just when we're on the verge of getting somewhere, the "throw all the bums out" mentality starts to set in.
Drives me nuts.
Posted by: franksalterego at March 23, 2012 06:43 AM (9XykO)
--
Authoritarians, regardless of label.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 06:44 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 10:42 AM (yFER9)
Have they passed any other?
Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 23, 2012 06:44 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 23, 2012 06:44 AM (i0App)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 06:44 AM (DGIjM)
168 I think I'll have to go all Swamp People up in the delta. Live off gator and nutria.
I've heard they taste like chicken.
Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 06:44 AM (4GgJq)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 23, 2012 06:44 AM (l/N7H)
Which will fail to gather 60 Aye votes.
Boned.
Posted by: toby928© at March 23, 2012 06:44 AM (GTbGH)
Wow, that Mitt article was unexpected. And it kind of follows what I wanted the other morning when I asked why candidates don't commit to a position.
That's good to see, at least for me. Mittens has a way to go, IMO, before he makes the transformation into a Real Conservative, but that article is a fine start.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Rioting Christian at March 23, 2012 06:45 AM (d0Tfm)
Did you listen to the whole thing?
Did you read his OP ed in all the papers about what he would do?
On inauguration day I'll shake my Etch A Sketch.
Posted by: Mitt RomneyCare at March 23, 2012 06:46 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2012 06:46 AM (A2cTV)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 10:27 AM (VtjlW)
Ummmm, banana pudding with nilla wafers. Now that's the stuff of a proper Lutheran riot!
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 06:46 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 06:46 AM (yFER9)
Posted by: steevy at March 23, 2012 06:46 AM (7W3wI)
--
That goes for all the so-called "non-profits" complete with employees blogging here at AOSHQ, funded by "grants" of tax dollars.
Nothing's free.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 06:46 AM (lpWVn)
Fascism is a totalitarian system where the government controls the economy but the means of production aren't state-owned (i.e., the state doesn't own the oil company, it just tells them where they can produce, and how much).
We're already living under it, pretty much.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 23, 2012 06:46 AM (ZKzrr)
Mitt can effectively repeal it the second he takes office. All he has to do is sign an executive order granting an Obamacare waiver to all 50 states.
Posted by: packsoldier at March 23, 2012 06:48 AM (9tLNI)
The part that I love to point out is that the whole "Celebrating Diversity" thing seems pretty flimsy when you can't even stand to hear an opposing opinion. What's worse is that I's so stupid and so far beyond redemption that I'm not even worthy of engagement, much less a discussion of perspective. It scared me to the point I do not talk politics, ever, period. How free is that?
This is why we are moving toward Civil War. Political Correctness is making enemies of neighbors who seek to ostracize dissenting perspective.
God Bless Amerika.
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 23, 2012 06:48 AM (4tnQK)
I don't think he has that power. At least, legally, and he's a Republican, not a stick-at-naught commie like the SCoaMF.
Posted by: toby928© at March 23, 2012 06:50 AM (GTbGH)
If Obama can grant waivers to Obamacare (he's granted about 1,200 or so last I saw), why can't a Republican president?
Posted by: packsoldier at March 23, 2012 06:51 AM (9tLNI)
You and I are still boned though. You see, Mitt's position is that you have held continuous coverage. So sorry, you and I don't qualify for his new great plan.
Suck it up buttercup.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2012 06:51 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 06:51 AM (lpWVn)
I'm pretty sure OCare specifically gave the President the power of waivers- or HHS, which operates at his direction.
The real problem, there, is that some states wouldn't take the waivers- and then the rest of us would still be on the hook for their implementations of this plan.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: GergS (Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 23, 2012 10:44 AM (xAtAj)
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Yes, if you count endless continuing resolutions (which I do).
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 06:52 AM (yFER9)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 10:44 AM (DGIjM)
You are now blatantly ignoring my point. You made a flat statement that Romney did not say that. Yes, he did. You were wrong. I don't give a whit about context or the rest of it, that is not the point I was making. The point I was making is that you made a statement that was utterly incorrect and was easily proven to be so. Have enough intellectual integrity to say "I was wrong. He did say that."
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 06:52 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: toby928© at March 23, 2012 06:53 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: packsoldier at March 23, 2012 06:54 AM (9tLNI)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 23, 2012 06:55 AM (SY2Kh)
do is sign an executive order granting an Obamacare waiver to all 50
states.
I don't think he has that power. At least, legally, and he's a Republican, not a stick-at-naught commie like the SCoaMF.
--
Yet Mitt promised to do that 50 state waiver executive order FIRST THING in office. What, in error, having failed first to ask his quorum of attorneys whether he'll assert that power as duty to support and defend the US Constitution?
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 06:55 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2012 06:56 AM (5H6zj)
Come to think of it, I don't recall any of our republican leaders put forward a bill to disallow their exemption from SCOAMTcare.
Posted by: Justamom
Vote -- Schmote. Boehner could unilaterally declare that, as a sign of solidarity with the voters, he was personally opting out of his House health plan and signing up for whatever minimum plan the rest of us get.
But that would take at least a modicum of self sacrifice with a tinge of leadership.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 23, 2012 06:57 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 23, 2012 10:55 AM (SY2Kh)
No magic required. Just refuse to pass any budget or continuing resolution that funds Obamacare.
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 06:57 AM (yFER9)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 06:57 AM (DGIjM)
--
The power of positive thought, amalgamated en mass, works miracles.
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 06:57 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 23, 2012 06:58 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: lowandslow at March 23, 2012 06:59 AM (GZitp)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 23, 2012 06:59 AM (WCuHB)
OK, 'rons 'n 'ettes, yard work awaits.
Catch y'all on the flip-flop. (That there's Trucker Lingo.)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Rioting Christian at March 23, 2012 06:59 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2012 07:01 AM (5H6zj)
--
Across the board when referencing Ron Paul or his supporters, you know; the ones who don't count when ballots are counted in Maine, etc.?
Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 07:01 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 07:03 AM (DGIjM)
So we get a Government shutdown, Obama still refuses to budge, get some slapped together compromise that still doesn't stop it, go on to lose the House, gain no control in the Senate and have Obama re-elected. That's a brilliant plan.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 23, 2012 07:04 AM (GZitp)
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 10:19 AM
Two years, and Breitbart's cash offer to anyone with video proof of this has never been claimed.
The only "proof" they felt was necessary was that Congressman John Lewis said they did "and why would he lie".
Well, for starters he's a politician. When Lewis testifies, does he get a pass from taking an oath because he's incapable of lying?
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 07:05 AM (Y+DPZ)
>> The House controls the Purse Strings. All spending must go through the House.
This gets repeated many times in different ways, but Article 1 Section 8 says "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
not "The House of Representatives"
All spending must go through both houses, and can originate in either.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 23, 2012 07:09 AM (WvXvd)
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2012 07:09 AM (5H6zj)
http://tinyurl.com/7jm9xtk
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 07:10 AM (Y+DPZ)
you are blatantly ignoring mine.
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 10:57 AM (DGIjM)
Please identify any point at which I have engaged you on a topic other than whether or not Romney made the statement that you alleged he did not make. I am ignoring your points because I have no interest in engaging those points with you. I care solely about the fact that you completely utterly and totally refuse to accept the fact that you were wrong about what Romney said. It is apparent to me that you have no intention of ever doing so. So be it.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 07:10 AM (VtjlW)
Remind me again when the last actual budget was passed...
But yeah- they could've held the debt ceiling vote hostage over Obamacare. And if you believe that it would've resulted in Obamacare being repealed and/or Republicans coming out ahead politically, you're insane.
In the real world (and not the very very angry Fantasyland that some of you are currently occupying), the end result would be that Obamacare would remain and we'd have handed the Dems a huge political win.
The reason that Cantor and Boehner didn't choose to die on the Obamacare hill is because they'd be dead, but the enemy would easily have held the hill and emerged in a position to win the war.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 23, 2012 07:11 AM (SY2Kh)
The only "proof" they felt was necessary was that Congressman John Lewis said they did "and why would he lie".
Well, for starters he's a politician. When Lewis testifies, does he get a pass from taking an oath because he's incapable of lying?
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 11:05 AM (Y+DPZ)
I sent that to him by email along with the retractions from the other donkeys who claimed they heard it too. He never responded. Pussy.
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 07:13 AM (3jGS1)
If the Supreme Court upholds the invidual mandate, my thirst will demand quenching.
Posted by: Tree of Liberty at March 23, 2012 07:14 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 23, 2012 11:11 AM (SY2Kh)
Quoted for truth. Americans are far too squishy to support a govt shutdown, almost no matter the reason.
Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 23, 2012 07:15 AM (xAtAj)
http://tinyurl.com/7jm9xtk
Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 11:10 AM (Y+DPZ)
Gawd I'd love to beat each of them with that gavel.
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 07:15 AM (3jGS1)
Posted by: lowandslow at March 23, 2012 11:04 AM (GZitp)
First of all, "government shutdown" is a joke that most people won't notice. Secondly, if you assume that everyone's going to side with the Democrats every time there's a showdown then why are we even bothering to oppose them? Let's all just bend over and vote for Obama.
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 07:15 AM (yFER9)
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 11:15 AM (yFER9)
Au Contraire mon frere. The MFM would trumpet this shit 24/7/365 and lay the blame at Boner's feet.
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 07:17 AM (3jGS1)
Know what's not very popular beyond the base? Shutting down the government unless conditions that everyone knows would never be agreed to are met.
There seems to be a lot of revisionism regarding Newt's goverment shutdown. Republicans lost that battle, and lost big. They gained almost nothing in terms of taxes and spending and lost politically amongst the voters. It should serve as a warning, not a blueprint.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 23, 2012 07:18 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2012 07:20 AM (5H6zj)
The reason that Cantor and Boehner didn't choose to die on the Obamacare hill is because they'd be dead, but the enemy would easily have held the hill and emerged in a position to win the war.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 23, 2012 11:11 AM (SY2Kh)
Yes, Obamacare is such a huge political winner. Its poll numbers are what, 40%? If we can't take that hill we might as well give it up.
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 07:21 AM (yFER9)
If Obama can grant waivers to Obamacare (he's granted about 1,200 or so last I saw), why can't a Republican president?
Posted by: packsoldier
Brought up this issue a few weeks ago,
Authority to issue waivers and the like are typically explicitly delineated in a bill. That why you see something like "pursuant to" and a reference to the statutory authority that allows the waiver in the accompaning Presidential statement.
Apparently, Obamacare doesn't have that explicit authority, and Obama and the HHS have issued waivers under the 'ol "broad interpretation" "we'll do it till you stop us" rule. Discussed here: thedc.com/lZc9ej
So arguably, Romney probably can't issue waivers, and if he does, they'll be challenged in court under the "only Republicans have to obey the law" law.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 23, 2012 07:24 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 23, 2012 07:25 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 11:17 AM (3jGS1)
Of course they would, but nowadays even most liberals think the MFM is full of shit.
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 07:27 AM (yFER9)
These are both annoying topics.
NO entitlement scheme will ever work. You cannot take X value out of the economy, spend Y on bureaucratic oversight and have > X-Y left to spend on whatever.
And the WEAK ASS SHIT lawfare and intelfare re. WWIV continues to be just pathetic. The guy went from France to Afghanistan to join the Taliban. Karzai's govt. should have thrown him in Unlawful Combatant prison until they've won or negotiated a settlement and exchanged him. If he was trying to join AQ we should have grabbed him, squeezed him, thrown him in Gitmo to rot. Instead he runs all over and the French lose him after they knew multiple times from multiple sources he was a problem.
Posted by: DaveA at March 23, 2012 07:28 AM (TcY34)
Will you argue that a shutdown of the government in order to repeal it will be just as popular?
Delusional.
Let's get Willard in office first, try and pick up some Senate seats, and then do the damage when it's actually possible.
Posted by: GergS(Dirty Scandi Dog Whistle) at March 23, 2012 07:29 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 07:31 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Cast Iron at March 23, 2012 07:31 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: mike at March 23, 2012 07:35 AM (kqXHe)
Posted by: mike at March 23, 2012 07:37 AM (kqXHe)
Posted by: teej at March 23, 2012 07:39 AM (aKjAM)
Will you argue that a shutdown of the government in order to repeal it will be just as popular?
A real shutdown, no. A "shutdown" like the one nobody noticed in 1995, yes.
Let's get Willard in office first, try and pick up some Senate seats, and then do the damage when it's actually possible.
How will electing Willard change anything? As long as the Democrats have 41 seats in the Senate they can force a "shutdown."
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 07:40 AM (yFER9)
Posted by: mpfs at March 23, 2012 11:39 AM (iYbLN)
Wrong question. You meant "Which hill do we kill the enemy on?"
Posted by: schizoid at March 23, 2012 07:42 AM (yFER9)
Posted by: Teleprompter at March 23, 2012 07:43 AM (NbmYl)
Nice to find some red meat on Ace once in a while.
Posted by: Sad Dad at March 23, 2012 07:59 AM (wWZWw)
JUT.
CIB.
LEWSNETTER.
Posted by: Tapcain Dyslexia at March 23, 2012 08:00 AM (Fz7+s)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 23, 2012 08:03 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: ATaLien at March 23, 2012 08:19 AM (2p0vz)
Posted by: ATaLien at March 23, 2012 08:23 AM (2p0vz)
Obamanut: "Well it's doing a great job extending coverage to younger kids (I guess 26 is a kid) who couldn't afford insurance or didn't have a job that provided that benefit so I think that's really a great thing."
Anchor woman: "Has Obamacare made any impact yet on the healthcare costs in Kansas?"
Obama-nut: "Well it is supposed to provide LONG TERM savings later down the road (and when we say long term savings we really mean long term losses). So, naturally it is too soon for it really do much in terms of cost savings."
Anchor Woman: "And you talk about extending coverage to young adults but aren't the parents still having to pay the dependent costs on the coverage? I mean were talking about how we are extending coverage to young people who otherwise wouldn't have insurance but don't we have to keep in mind that somebody somewhere still has to pay for that coverage?"
Obama-nut: "Well yes, the plan holder certainly has to pay the additional premiums for the dependents on their plan. If they don't pay for the coverage then well they won't be covered. But the costs to the healthcare system remain low because young people don't really get sick all that often or that seriously so it doesn't really add much additional cost.(oh great! Mom and Dad get the luxury to continue paying for their kids coverage longer for something they don't really need -- just swell!)"
In other words, it hasn't saved us any money yet and it extends services to people who don't really need them. That's just swell!
Posted by: HeftyJo at March 23, 2012 10:20 AM (Wv4lq)
Posted by: #OccupyResoluteDesk at March 23, 2012 01:15 PM (+nCNS)
All appearances would indicate that the Republicans in the Senate will not go for any repeal of Obamacare, SCOTUS will not consider the mandate unconstitutional, and we are stuck with it. Along the Greece vein, the wealthy will inevitably hide their income, and the Fisk will suffer. When there is massive government tyranny, the productive will find away around it. Count on it.
Posted by: MagicalMaggieT at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (rZZA3)
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