January 13, 2012
Bumped For Being Awesome
— rdbrewer Little update to RD's post: Via @jamestaranto, she says "a lot of my reasoning ended up on the cutting room floor."
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You remember her. She's a member of the The Providence Journal's editorial board, a syndicated columnist, and she has been named president of the National Conference of Editorial Writers (hereinafter: "NCEW"), a group at least in part dedicated to "restoring civility in America's public discourse." On August 2nd last year, she wrote an editorial that contained the following:
Make no mistake: The tea party Republicans have engaged in economic terrorism against the United States--threatening to blow up the economy if they don't get what they want. And like the al-Qaida bombers, what they want is delusional: the dream of restoring some fantasy caliphate. . . . Americans are not supposed to negotiate with terrorists, but that's what Obama has been doing. . . . That the Republican leadership couldn't control a small group of ignoramuses in its ranks has brought disgrace on their party. But oddly, Obama's passivity made it hard for responsible Republicans to control their destructive children. The GOP extremists would ask Obama for his firstborn, and he'd say, 'OK.' So they think, why not ask for his second-born, to which he responds, 'Let's talk.'
(Emphasis Ace's.) Ace posted a nice take down, and the thread was effective and funny. Among other things, Ace said, "I guess the NCEW's new mission of improving civility in discourse is going gangbusters under Froma Harrop's leadership, eh?"
But in a later piece, Ms. Harrop doubled down, stating her claims were perfectly civil. And, in fact, that they were factual. (Note: This, despite a later assertion of ironic intent.*)
Well, John Oliver from The Daily Show got in on the action in a masterful and funny interview of Ms. Harrop last night. It seems that Ms. Harrop might be a little short on self-awareness and, well, the concept of irony. The interview is hilarious. It appears below the fold.
I'm left with questions. 1) Did she not know this was John Oliver from The Daily Show, and was she not aware of the kinds of things that typically happen during Daily Show interviews? 2) Was this a case of intentional hypocrisy on her part for rhetorical gain? Or was she acting out of complete ignorance?
My thought is that it must be the latter. In fact, the very thinking processes that allow her to ramrod an organization devoted to the elevation of civil discourse while at the same time not recognizing her own use of some of the ugliest language imaginable to describe the Tea Party simply did not occur to her. She was unaware of the contradiction. (Yes, I'm trying to avoid making another point about my latest pet theory, "working memory overload.")
To make things worse, I believe those same thinking processes kept her from recognizing John Oliver's rhetorical goal, an ironic, humorous criticism of her conflicting points of view. She ended-up played a dense straight man all the way through. She never picked up on the gag.
In fact, she double-downed again, *accusing the Tea Partiers of having difficulty recognizing irony. Oliver clarified, to paraphrase, "You mean, even where there's almost a dictionary definition of it right in front of them, they don't get it?" Her response, "Absolutely."
Well, I can understand where she's coming from. The possibility her positions were absurdly mutually exclusive must never have occurred to her. After all, high-minded, super-intelligent people never make mistakes.
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Posted by: Bob Dole at January 13, 2012 05:00 AM (G6kli)
Posted by: Froma Herrop at January 13, 2012 05:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:02 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:03 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jack Burton Mercer at January 13, 2012 05:03 AM (zEHWj)
Why is it that idiot leftists always have stupid names? What the hell kind of name is "Froma?" Do they become leftist imbeciles because they have horrible parents who give them idiotic names?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:05 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 09:03 AM (X6akg)
LOL! You beat me to it, Tami!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:05 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2012 05:05 AM (Qjh0I)
She's freaking nuts. Watch the whole video.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 13, 2012 05:06 AM (XdlcF)
D-bag can't schedule a speech after my lunch, he's always gotta ruin it.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 13, 2012 05:07 AM (ZKzrr)
LOL! You beat me to it, Tami!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 09:05 AM (4df7R)
GMTA!
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 05:08 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Potato Bandit at January 13, 2012 05:09 AM (H15Ok)
And she's going on about how to show people they are uncivil, you should chain them up. WTF? I'd like to say she was joking, but she'd have to prove she was capable of humor first.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 13, 2012 05:09 AM (XdlcF)
And I bet (without a trace of irony) she would say you were being uncivil if you suggest that, say, an OWSer should be chained up.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:11 AM (8y9MW)
Watching that video, several phrases spring to mind, like, "only dimly aware of her own existence," "difficulty processing information," and "cognitive dissonance" being only a few, and those are the polite ones.
You know, a few thousand of these types of interviews on TDS might start to change a few minds.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 05:11 AM (d0Tfm)
And she's going on about how to show people they are uncivil, you should chain them up. WTF? I'd like to say she was joking, but she'd have to prove she was capable of humor first.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 13, 2012 09:09 AM (XdlcF)
It is my considered opinion that leftists are incapable of being witty, or understanding actual wit when faced with it. There are few things as embarrassing (or life fulfilling) as watching a lefty who thinks he/she is funny try to tell a joke.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:12 AM (4df7R)
We live in a world where people like this believe that the Tea Parties are "uncivil" and lead to the shooting of Gabriel Giffords, but that OWS is merely "a protest" and "mostly peaceful."
Worse- people who believe like them are in power.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:13 AM (8y9MW)
That means, like, full of Iron, right? Like, "spinach is irony."
Posted by: Froma Harrop at January 13, 2012 05:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 05:15 AM (d0Tfm)
How about Dick Harpootlian? He's the SC Democrat Party Chair.
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 05:16 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:16 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 13, 2012 05:16 AM (XE2Oo)
Or even better Homeland Security.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 05:16 AM (ZJCDy)
Well, she's got the crazy eyes, anyway. Probably in her freezer.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:17 AM (8y9MW)
C-SPAN Getting Hammered With Prank Calls About Mitt RomneyÂ’s Penis
Oh, good. They're only getting hammered with calls about his junk...'cause I heard he's hung like an ewok!
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 13, 2012 05:17 AM (1hM1d)
The look on her face when the interviewer says a BAD WORD is priceless.
Where did the civility go???
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 13, 2012 05:17 AM (XdlcF)
this here says obama is a scoamf...
Posted by: jeanne! at January 13, 2012 05:18 AM (cJu20)
That means, like, full of Iron, right? Like, "spinach is irony."
More like "silvery," except it's brown.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 05:18 AM (d0Tfm)
President Obama, speaking last night in Chicago at a fundraiser at a private home, unloaded this bombshell:
Obama, according to the White House transcript, talked about “The first bill I signed — a bill that said that we’re going to have equal pay for equal work because I want my daughters treated the same way as my sons.”
Sons? What sons? How many? Where? Names? Do the girls know? (More importantly, does Michelle?)
Will the boys be joining him on the campaign trail?
Posted by: Al Kamen at January 13, 2012 05:18 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: nickless at January 13, 2012 05:19 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 09:16 AM (YdQQY)
The poor guy. I'd almost feel sorry for him, if he weren't, you know, a dipshit.
I've always felt warring levels of pity and revulsion for one of NH's Democratic stalwarts who was particularly active back in the 90's: Dick Swett.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:20 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Mr Pink at January 13, 2012 05:21 AM (Z9ymd)
Posted by: Minuteman at January 13, 2012 05:21 AM (qs9G3)
First off: no he doesn't. Anyone who really does have both sons and daughters: do you really want them "treated the same way?"
Second: "Pay equality" is not the purview of the effing Federal Government.
Third: This is the man the Media calls the Smartest President Ever?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:21 AM (8y9MW)
And I'm really having a hard time not reading her name as "Fromunda"...
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 05:21 AM (RSqz2)
I wonder how sheÂ’s handling this after someone finally explained what happened in that piece.
Posted by: jwest at January 13, 2012 05:21 AM (FdndL)
Posted by: Froma at January 13, 2012 05:22 AM (cJu20)
You are left wondering if she is "mainlining" the DNC RSS feed.
Posted by: Al Gore at January 13, 2012 05:22 AM (e8kgV)
Because, for all he's a lefty, Jon Stewart is really pretty good about calling out the idiots on his own side, too. And funny when he does it. (Heck, sometimes he's funny when he's making fun of conservatives- just not as often as he thinks he's funny).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:22 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2012 05:22 AM (hiMsy)
There are so many other options.
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 05:22 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 09:21 AM (RSqz2)
I'm having a hard time not reading her name as "Fuck, I'm one butt-ugly cow, aren't I?"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:23 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 13, 2012 05:24 AM (mFxQX)
Tim Allen (really Tim Allen Dick) only goes by his first & second names. But he has it better than his cousin: Richard.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:25 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2012 09:22 AM (hiMsy)
I'm sure the frat houses were full of them, too.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:25 AM (4df7R)
Leftover embryos from FKOTUS' IVF? I'm about 25% serious. She used to give speeches referencing some mysterious huge debts they couldn't repay until her husband made millions off his presidential campaign; she was kinda old for a first-time mother (not impossibly so, but well on the downslope); and most convincingly, SCOAMF's thing for bathhouses.
If the October surprise is a pregnancy...
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 13, 2012 05:25 AM (ZKzrr)
Only read this link if you want a headache.
If you do, clicking my name will assure you of one as you try to figure how what her reasons actually are. Other than the evilness of garden mulch.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 13, 2012 05:25 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: matt at January 13, 2012 05:25 AM (nxTmu)
I wonder how sheÂ’s handling this after someone finally explained what happened in that piece.
You're assuming that she has the capacity to understand that explanation.
Methinks you're giving her too much intellectual credit.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 05:25 AM (d0Tfm)
Well, apparently someone explained it to her and sheÂ’s trying to act like she was in on the joke.
ItÂ’s not working.
Me on the Daily Show
January 12th, 2012 by Froma in Froma Harrop
Some of you may know that I was interviewed for the Daily Show some time ago. ItÂ’s a comedy sketch, needless to say, and the joke will be on me.
The interview will air tonight at 11 p.m,
IÂ’m braced
Posted by: jwest at January 13, 2012 05:27 AM (FdndL)
Posted by: maddogg at January 13, 2012 05:27 AM (OlN4e)
Don't forget, liberals think the Daily Show is legit news. Sure it's funny, but snark is just part of their world view. Remember the "Rally To Restore Sanity" which had all the coherence of an early-AM Working Group meeting at Occupy Wall St.
In Left World, it's pefectly reasonable to have Stephen Colbert testifying before Congressional committees. Hell... these people sent Al Franken to the United States Senate. So, no, she doesn't understand what's going on in that interview.
Besides... civil discourse (in their terms) just means Republicans need to shut up and stop criticizing the Democrats and their policies. Republicans are enemies of the state. This haint is saying the same things that the Vice President and multiple DNC chairs have said.
Posted by: SamInVA at January 13, 2012 05:27 AM (rFiOs)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 05:27 AM (i6RpT)
Does she own cats? Is she from NYC?
Posted by: Cat Box Hero at January 13, 2012 09:26 AM (xUvtV)
Does she reference her "friends?" A LOT?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:28 AM (4df7R)
Newspapers - an industry that mows down defenseless trees to be pulped which process pollutes streams and rivers so that diesel trucks can get it to the newspaper printing plant to print stories that aren't news any more to distribute creating even more diesel and gas pollution and within a day the end result winds up in the recycle bin. How bad would this be if they weren't lefties?
Posted by: chuckR at January 13, 2012 05:29 AM (UGxsK)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 13, 2012 05:30 AM (E7Z1r)
MamaAJ, I love this quote from the piece you linked:
Louisiana has had more than its share of tragedies in recent years, and some, such as Hurricane Katrina, could be deemed acts of nature....
Just let that sink in.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:31 AM (4df7R)
Ace, when you begin to realize that both sides exhibit this behavior, then, you'll have a clue.
And you might have one when you realize who posted this.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 05:31 AM (d0Tfm)
Froma Harrop is all terrain in that respect.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 05:31 AM (ZJCDy)
Posted by: Sweet Lou at January 13, 2012 05:33 AM (WrHFg)
See, my only problem with this is that it's him asking for it. If I believed for a minute that he would actually reduce the size of the Federal government, I'd probably be okay with that (provisionally).
But since we know everything he says- and everything his press department releases- are lies, we know this to be a lie.
Of course, it sounds hard to oppose, so the Congress will give him the power. Again. Ceding yet more of its authority to the Executive.
My response would be, "Well, that's a noble cause, Mr. President. Why don't you tell us what agencies you want to combine, and we'll issue legislation that will do that?"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:33 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 05:35 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at January 13, 2012 05:35 AM (3q9T2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 13, 2012 05:35 AM (XE2Oo)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 05:36 AM (i6RpT)
Froma is actually her parents second choice. It was going to be Frumpy, but the government refused to allow the name on a birth certificate. Her blind date, Andrew Sullivan's beagle, says the first choice was accurate.
Posted by: MarkD at January 13, 2012 05:36 AM (iYBP2)
Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2012 05:37 AM (t/mAc)
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 05:38 AM (RSqz2)
Look, cut the poor woman slack. Her parents named her Froma. She should get a medal for not having set an entire town on fire.
Well, I can understand where she's coming from. The possibility her positions were absurdly mutually exclusive must never have occurred to her.
It never, never, never will. We were discussing yesterday how for the ever so tolerant Left, those who disagree are subhuman scum thus justifying anything at all that may be said.
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 05:38 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 09:33 AM (8y9MW)
Having been through my fair share of "reorganizations" at the State government level, I can tell you this is a massive clusterfuck just waiting to happen. Combining departments does nothing except muddy the waters about who reports to who about what, and makes the bureucratic mess even MORE of a headache. If Obama was actually serious about shrinking the size of government, he'd be talking about cutting back regulations and lopping off whole Bureaus/Offices from the various non-military branches. THEN you can talk about combining departments. Otherwise all you're doing is shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:38 AM (4df7R)
Just let that sink in.
I'll see you that one and raise you this one, from the sidebar link to the Mercedes story.
Activists reacted with horror to the appropriation of Guevara, whom many political conservatives and Cuban-Americans consider a mass murderer who helped subjugate Cuba.
In our postmodern world where nothing matters and what if it did, the thing I miss the most is certainty, especially in the face of those tiny annoyances called "facts." The gauziness of reality promoted in the media tends to make everything just a matter of opinion these days. You, and you alone, are the ultimate arbiter of what's true, evidence (hundreds of dead bodies in this case) means nothing.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 05:39 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: MDH3 at January 13, 2012 05:39 AM (GKyUC)
She believes that everything she believes is a "fact" rather than an "opinion". Thus, every utterance she makes is "factual" rather than uncivil.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 13, 2012 05:42 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 05:42 AM (TCgts)
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at January 13, 2012 05:43 AM (3q9T2)
But in a later piece, Ms. Harrop doubled down, stating her claims were perfectly civil. And, in fact, that they were factual. (Note: This, despite a later assertion of ironic intent.*)
Did someone ask for the evidence of fact?
Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 05:43 AM (TCgts)
Posted by: GergS at January 13, 2012 05:44 AM (dptRY)
"In the annals of leveraged buyouts, some of Mitt RomneyÂ’s deals were unusually barbaric."
From Webster's Dictionary --
Barbaric: possessing or characteristic of a cultural level more complex than primitive savagery but less sophisticated than advanced civilization.
[Oh, she's extremely unattractive too.]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 05:44 AM (nEUpB)
This scrunt would have made a fine plantation manager.
"Shoosh, you uppity negroes!"
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at January 13, 2012 05:44 AM (6IReR)
In our postmodern world where nothing matters and what if it did, the thing I miss the most is certainty, especially in the face of those tiny annoyances called "facts."
I dated a guy whose uncle was killed by Che. Not by Che's goons, Che himself. We were at dinner with his parents one night when someone wearing a Che shirt was seated next to us. There's nothing quite like watching a Cuban woman, who is the epitome of class and elegance, righteously tear into someone. It was utterly, utterly brutal, especially when the guy tried to do the whole "well, he was really a freedom fighter and sometimes things happen".
Protip. Never ever ever piss off a Cuban woman with a perfect manicure who is also wearing a few lovely rings. She is smart enough to spin those rings jewel side round before slapping you.
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 05:44 AM (VtjlW)
Why is it that idiot leftists always have stupid names? What the hell kind of name is "Froma?" Do they become leftist imbeciles because they have horrible parents who give them idiotic names?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 09:05 AM (4df7R)
Yes, and part of the problem is that they are not fed enough protein as children, and they wind up with brain damage as a result.
It is not an accident that vegetarianism and liberalism go together. The rise of low protein diets coincides with the rise of the left in California.
Lisa Kudrow's brilliantly ditzy Phoebe Buffay character on Friends captured the effect of protein starvation on the human brain.
Part of the reason that leftists are so vicious is that protein starvation in the diet leads to blood creatine deficiency. Low creatine levels pass the message "kill something and eat it!" to the brain. That message gets confused in the damaged liberal brain - the result: Auschwitz, Gulags, re-education camps etc.
Take a look at the map of the world - find everywhere they don't eat meat - either out of religion or lack of general access and you will find the abysmal and long term historic failures centers of humanity. Then look at where they do eat meat - successful countries.
Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 05:45 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 13, 2012 09:25 AM (ZKzrr)
I keep thinking of the Alien movie........
Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 05:45 AM (TCgts)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 13, 2012 05:46 AM (+inic)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 05:46 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2012 05:46 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 13, 2012 05:46 AM (Lpdzt)
In our postmodern world where nothing matters and what if it did, the thing I miss the most is certainty, especially in the face of those tiny annoyances called "facts." The gauziness of reality promoted in the media tends to make everything just a matter of opinion these days. You, and you alone, are the ultimate arbiter of what's true, evidence (hundreds of dead bodies in this case) means nothing.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 09:39 AM (d0Tfm)
Good GRIEF. I'm with you, BB.
Hey, leftists. Guess what. There really is such a thing as "truth." The "truth" is Che Guevara was a bloodthirsty psychopath who butchered people in his quest for a socialist state. He was also a true blue racist anti-semite homophobe. Not that you'll ever get a lefty to believe that as they march in their smelly parades wearing Che shirts and berets as they protest war, racism, and homophobia (but not anti-semitism, since they hate the Jews as much as Che).
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:46 AM (4df7R)
“She was in on it”
Why would anyone, especially someone who trades on their supposed intellegence, agree to a proposal such as this:
“Hi, we’re from the Daily Show. We think it would be funny to do an interview that makes you come off as a totally clueless asshole. Are you available next Tuesday?”
Either way, if she was as oblivious as it seemed or if she agreed to do this knowing how it would look, sheÂ’s an idiot.
Posted by: jwest at January 13, 2012 05:47 AM (FdndL)
Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 05:48 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 13, 2012 05:48 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 13, 2012 09:30 AM (E7Z1r)
Do you even look at the screen when you post this stupid shit?
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at January 13, 2012 05:48 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: Jan at January 13, 2012 05:48 AM (bSdea)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 13, 2012 05:49 AM (vzFJV)
I think lots of us would have paid money to have been there to watch.
Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at January 13, 2012 05:49 AM (bj+Nc)
Oh, I agree. I'm not talking about whether or not it should be done. Here's the thing, though: he took those words right out of the Conservative Playbook. It looks like he wants to downsize government (hey! he's not a big government liberal! he wants to consolidate redundant agencies! we want to do that too!), so Congress does have to be careful about how they say "no."
And the first step is to tell him no by telling him yes. Thus: "Tell us what agencies you want to combine..."
Once he does that, you "consolidate" by eliminating one of the agencies. And NOT transfering their authority to the other agency.
Then you either let him grit his teeth and sign the pink-slips of thousands of union-dues-paying government employees, or you prove that downsizing government was never really his intention.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 05:49 AM (8y9MW)
Leftist creep nieceinlaw and oblivious weakwilled tool nephew are naming their San Fran baby: Noa. So jewish, I say, because the mom is a secular jew whose first language is hebrew. Not so, says nephew. Just missin the "H" pal--I guess you could make the argument that Noah predated Abram so not jewish but? I'd actually rather see a real jewish name than something made up, trendy, and weird. I really really hate the trendy name biz. Makes the parents look like tools not "unique" like they want.
Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 05:49 AM (TCgts)
Posted by: GergS at January 13, 2012 09:44 AM (dptRY)
Yes. Yes it is. And you can bet it will end up being just as invasive as DHS, all in the name of "fairness."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:50 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 05:50 AM (ZJCDy)
Speaking of SCOAMF, the TV in the breakroom informs me he will be lying to us at 11:20 Eastern (in reality, 11:45 or so).
ohh, thanks for the heads up ! BRB, will be shorthing Dow futures.
Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at January 13, 2012 05:53 AM (oW269)
5 found dead in tents
This seems to be a trend Â… #OWSers + tents -> death
Has anybody reported this to the CPSC (Consumer Products Safety Commission) ?
Posted by: Ralph Nader at January 13, 2012 05:53 AM (e8kgV)
@113 How stupid is agreeing to make yourself look completely vindictive and stupid? An apology would have brief and more widely ignored.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at January 13, 2012 05:53 AM (+XVQe)
Protip. Never ever ever piss off a Cuban woman with a perfect manicure who is also wearing a few lovely rings. She is smart enough to spin those rings jewel side round before slapping you.
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 09:44 AM (VtjlW)
That is beautiful. I pray the asshole in the t-shirt learned a lesson, though I doubt it sank through his thick skull that she was right. He probably thought she was overreacting. I would like to know what his reaction would be if someone murdered HIS brother in the name of "la revolucion."
Che is rotting in Hell beside Kim Jong Il, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and Hitler, being perpetually raped by one of Satan's innumerable barbed cocks. Couldn't have happened to a more loathsome individual.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:54 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Pyrocles at January 13, 2012 05:54 AM (cv5Iw)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 13, 2012 09:46 AM (Lpdzt)
Also at the start of the video, Ed Schultz calling Rush a fatass. Does he not own a mirror?
Posted by: fozzy at January 13, 2012 05:54 AM (FEzSe)
I think lots of us would have paid money to have been there to watch.
I will admit that my first response was to want to fall at her feet and worship. Seriously, it was post-grad level kickass.
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 05:55 AM (VtjlW)
>>Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 09:49 AM (TCgts)
They may have reason to believe that he child will be clairvoyant or a behavioral problem, or some combination of the two.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 05:56 AM (ZJCDy)
There you go again Allen.
Thinking that the Republican establishment gives a shit about their Constitutional role or understands modern politics is a sure path to depression.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 13, 2012 05:56 AM (i3+c5)
Then you either let him grit his teeth and sign the pink-slips of thousands of union-dues-paying government employees, or you prove that downsizing government was never really his intention.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 09:49 AM (8y9MW)
That would be fantastic. *hopeful sigh* But I highly doubt any of the lily-livered asses in Congress would actually be that smart.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 05:56 AM (4df7R)
Can you summon Blake Lively while you're at it?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 13, 2012 05:58 AM (q8xaf)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 13, 2012 09:35 AM (XE2Oo)
This site has more sentient spam than Bonesteel, the ultimate one-trick donkey.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 13, 2012 05:58 AM (yowgW)
AT&T and T-Mobile could not be reached for comment
Posted by: Randall Stephenson at January 13, 2012 05:58 AM (e8kgV)
Sorry, buddy, but you're just wrong here. Harrup is completely in on the gag. She is winking the whole time, knowing that the audience will understand that the rhetoric she used against the Tea Party last summer was completely over the top and uncivil, and consciously so, but also knowing that the hipsters/leftists/Democrats listening will understand the name of the game: liberals get to be uncivil about conservatives, because their incivility is at the service of nobel ends; but the "civility project" is all about making it beyond the pale for conservatives to ever be uncivil about liberals and, in fact, to rhetorically label even the mildest and most logical and factual conservative criticisms of liberalism as "uncivil" and "radical."
The cynicism is even deeper. She not only knew that the rhetoric she was using last summer was consciously and purposefully over the top and uncivil, but also knew that participating in a comedy take-down of her own rhetoric would have the secondary benefit of allowing her to repeat all of the same slurs against the Tea Party to a much larger audience.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 13, 2012 05:59 AM (nov+8)
Thinking that the Republican establishment gives a shit about their Constitutional role or understands modern politics is a sure path to depression. functional alcoholism.
FIFY.
And really, SCOAMT is yammering again today? Really? Does someone not feel like a Special Snowflake, hmmmm?
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 06:00 AM (VtjlW)
Oh, I didn't mean to imply I believe for a minute they'd do it. I'm just saying how I would turn the tables on him.
I'm pretty sure a parasite-ridden amoeba has more spine and fortitude than Congressional Republicans.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:00 AM (8y9MW)
Good GRIEF. I'm with you, BB.
Well, since I've had enough coffee to get on a roll...
What I see in this whole PoMo bullshit is nothing more than an appeal to the ego. And the ego has a great deal of difficulty in some people acknowledging (or even recognizing) anything beyond itself. The whole concept of "truth" as an entity, occurring in the real world and based on actual happenings, is lost on it.
It's merely solipsism, codified and repackaged for a new audience, and presented to you by people with academic credentials. You're meant to think that since someone is supposedly smarter than you are, they must be onto something, when that's not really the case.
It's just misguided egos recruiting new egos into their "intellectual" fold, known more commonly as "the blind leading the blind."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 06:01 AM (d0Tfm)
>>Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 09:49 AM (TCgts)
They may have reason to believe that he child will be clairvoyant or a behavioral problem, or some combination of the two.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 09:56 AM (ZJCDy)
Right. No-A? How do you even teach them NO! if their name starts with that.
Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 06:01 AM (TCgts)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:01 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Barack Obama, Management Expert at January 13, 2012 06:02 AM (q8xaf)
Leftist creep nieceinlaw and oblivious weakwilled tool nephew are naming their San Fran baby: Noa. So jewish, I say, because the mom is a secular jew whose first language is hebrew. Not so, says nephew. Just missin the "H" pal--I guess you could make the argument that Noah predated Abram so not jewish but? I'd actually rather see a real jewish name than something made up, trendy, and weird. I really really hate the trendy name biz. Makes the parents look like tools not "unique" like they want.
Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 09:49 AM (TCgts)
ARRRGH. I hate hate hate "trendy" names. I particularly hate it when parents give their children a normal name -- like "Noah" -- but with a different spelling -- like "Noa." They have no idea how much trouble their child is going to go through in his/her life having to ALWAYS spell his/her name: "That's Noa without an H."
In my job I see a lot of names of current high school students, and it is a plethora of stupid, asinine, and just plain cruel spelling. "Michelle" is one that is perpetually changed: "Mishelle," "Mischelle," "Myshelle," "Michele." And then there are the parents who decide to give their children the most cumbersome spellings I have ever seen. I saw a "Steaphanee" the other day. I assume that is supposed to be "Stephanie," but I have no idea. All I know is if my parents had done something like that to me, I'd disown them as soon as I turned 18 and change my name to "Ann."
Either the parents are illiterate or think they're being clever. Either way I pity the poor children.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:03 AM (4df7R)
wasn't this done already when H o m e l a n d S e c u r i t y went under the direction of the attorney general? Is this to put more stuff under the direction of the attorney general.
Posted by: hey at January 13, 2012 06:04 AM (oZfic)
Can you summon Blake Lively while you're at it?
Or Katy Perry?
Dita, Chris Evans and Jason Statham please!
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 06:05 AM (VtjlW)
Thinking that the Republican establishment gives a shit about their Constitutional role or understands modern politics is a sure path to depression. functional alcoholism.
FIFY.Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 10:00 AM (VtjlW
Think I like your correction (I was going to add a Valu-Rite refernce, but...)!Posted by: Hrothgar at January 13, 2012 06:06 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at January 13, 2012 06:06 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: johnc_ex-democrat at January 13, 2012 06:06 AM (ACkhT)
FTR: That's a traditional French (I think) spelling of the name.
But at least all of those are names from parents who are literate (if stupid). One of the most common girls names in Texas to a certain demographic of parent (I'm sure you'll be able to figure out which one) is "Female," (pronounced: fay-mall-ay, more or less).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:06 AM (8y9MW)
Thinking that the Republican establishment gives a shit about their Constitutional role or understands modern politics is a sure path to depression. functional alcoholism.
FIFY.
Does it have to be functional alcoholism? I don't know about anyone else, but if I'm going to let Congress and the SCOAMT drive me to drink, I'm going all in.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:06 AM (4df7R)
Just be glad they didn't get some of the names I've seen.
It's just sad, really.
Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 13, 2012 06:08 AM (GBXon)
He's a Delaware state trooper; they call him 'Dicky' . What else can you do?
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 13, 2012 06:08 AM (UqKQV)
Sure.
So our choices are:
- Ignorant, cluelessly oblivious scrunt
- Evil genius puppetmaster, pulling the strings of all us rubes
And you choose "evil genius." Sorry. You're going to have to provide evidence of her mastery of propaganda. Where she slices conservative arguments apart with her rhetorical scalpel.
You can't. Because she isn't a scalpel. She possesses no razor-sharp wit. She's a blunt instrument. As in DULL. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 13, 2012 06:08 AM (XE2Oo)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:10 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 13, 2012 06:10 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Mitt Romney! at January 13, 2012 06:11 AM (r2PLg)
Wouldn't it be nice to be liberal for a day where I get to "feel" good about what *I* do for others, and then lambaste all others who are more successful than myself without ever accepting responsibility for my choices in life? Yeah, that would be nice, wouldn't it?
Posted by: DefendUSA at January 13, 2012 06:11 AM (wpvfW)
My father had a patient who's name was Orangeade pronounced or-ang-ah-dee. She was named that because her mother saw it on a billboard and thought it sounded pretty. This was back in the 70s.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2012 06:12 AM (tf9Ne)
Sneefu, etc
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 13, 2012 06:12 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 13, 2012 10:08 AM (XE2Oo)
I don't know that you can call her a blunt instrument, EoJ. A hammer is a blunt instrument, and it can cause some serious damage, which is a laughable comparison to this twit. She's got the razor sharp wit of a collapsed meringue.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:14 AM (4df7R)
“She was in on it”
Could the cocktail parties on the Upper East Side be that fabulous?
How good would they need to be to agree to appearing like a total idiot to 98.5% of the population in order to get a “wink, wink” from the inner circle?
As I said, either way she comes off as a fool.
Posted by: jwest at January 13, 2012 06:14 AM (FdndL)
Right. No-A? How do you even teach them NO! if their name starts with that.
Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 10:01 AM (TCgts)
One of my younger brothers believed for awhile that one on my other brother's name was "uh," because when he did something wrong, we would yell "no, Isaac!" whereas when said other brother did something wrong we would yell "Noah!"
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 13, 2012 06:15 AM (sEvRn)
How is it not *worse* to be "in" on a gag like that?
So it's awesomely funny to be ok with being a lying, disingenuous, hypoctitical scrunt now?
Posted by: Jaws at January 13, 2012 06:16 AM (4I3Uo)
"Meringue" would be a good name for a girl. You could say it's pronounced "mare-in-gway".
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 13, 2012 06:16 AM (q8xaf)
And, she's clearly dumber than a whole bag of 'em...
Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 13, 2012 06:16 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Equal Rights Amendment at January 13, 2012 06:16 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 13, 2012 06:16 AM (baC5d)
Posted by: And, yet I saw no rubber walls surrounding her... at January 13, 2012 06:17 AM (/MuFf)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2012 10:12 AM (tf9Ne)
It makes me think of a character in the Terry Pratchett/Neil Gaiman novel Good Omens. Her parents named her "Anathema" because it sounded pretty.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:17 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:18 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:19 AM (8y9MW)
One of my younger brothers believed for awhile that one on my other brother's name was "uh," because when he did something wrong, we would yell "no, Isaac!" whereas when said other brother did something wrong we would yell "Noah!"
I thought my name was "Dammit" until I started the first grade. It was always, "Come here, Dammit." "Don't do that, Dammit." "Eat your dinner, Dammit."
You can understand my confusion...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 06:20 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at January 13, 2012 06:20 AM (6IV8T)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:21 AM (i6RpT)
Sounds about right to me
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 10:18 AM (i6RpT)
For a Dem, Nutter is actually pretty damn good when it comes to telling off the parents in Philly for the stupidity of their children.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:21 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Regret at January 13, 2012 06:21 AM (dsHCR)
You apparently also have yet to master figuring out who posted something. You should be thanking RDBrewer. Ace won't even be awake for at least another hour.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:22 AM (8y9MW)
>>Either the parents are illiterate or think they're being clever. Either way I pity the poor children.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 10:03 AM (4df7R)
My own personal favorite was the former NBA player Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway.
I can't help picturing his beloved mom as a myopic illiterate with a prodigious and slurpy overbite.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 06:22 AM (ZJCDy)
Posted by: And, yet I saw no rubber walls surrounding her... at January 13, 2012 06:22 AM (/MuFf)
157 -
Still? I think what she means is "again." As in "he used to be an adult, but since his brain turned to mush, he's like a child again. A big, clumsy, emotionally unstable, not-potty-trained child."
Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2012 06:23 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Imperial Stormtroopers at January 13, 2012 06:23 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 06:24 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Regret at January 13, 2012 10:21 AM (dsHCR)
Yes, we know. What we find laughable is that she'd actually do it, since anyone even mildly familiar with the Daily Show knows what they do.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 13, 2012 06:24 AM (3sVJt)
Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at January 13, 2012 06:25 AM (bj+Nc)
Why would France say it if it hadn't happened? That seems odd to me...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:25 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 10:24 AM (X6akg)
Why am I not surprised the French would announce their own downgrade before it's actually been announced by the downgrader?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 13, 2012 06:26 AM (RYgU7)
Posted by: And, yet I saw no rubber walls surrounding her... at January 13, 2012 06:26 AM (/MuFf)
Posted by: A. Bell at January 13, 2012 06:27 AM (TOk1P)
Liberals believe in tolerance and civility for what they believe are acceptable points of view.
Conservatives are outside of polite thought - which ranges from center/left to somewhere around communism - so not only is it ok to disparage them, it is a actually a positive moral thing to do.
Essentially to liberals, conservatives aren't people but foes. This is why they can fret over the treatment of KSM, but call us "the real enemy".
Posted by: 18-1 at January 13, 2012 06:27 AM (7BU4a)
In the what were they thinking when they named their child category - how do you like the sound of Aquanetta. Really? Really.
Mom was a big fan of Hairspray?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 06:27 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at January 13, 2012 10:25 AM (bj+Nc)
Oh gawd... *facepalm*
My favorite is still the one my brother-in-law told me about his cousins. They named their son "Nawledge." Pronounced "Knowledge."
I weep.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: joncelli, spewing pea green soup at January 13, 2012 06:27 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 13, 2012 06:28 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:25 AM (8y9MW)
Well....they are known to throw the surrender flag early.
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 06:28 AM (X6akg)
Yeah... one my ST posts pretty soon is going to be on the folly of setting up "tolerance" as your primary virtue.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:29 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 13, 2012 10:28 AM (YmPwQ)
When he called out the black community over the summer during the height of the "flash rob" epidemic, I wondered how long he'll have in office before they boot his ass out.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:30 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:30 AM (i6RpT)
It makes me think of a character in the Terry Pratchett/Neil Gaiman novel Good Omens. Her parents named her "Anathema" because it sounded pretty.
I'm trying to build a story around a character who is named Nemesis and who is an assassin just so I can have her say: "Look. My parents, who are otherwise lovely people, named me Nemesis. What other career choice did I have?"
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 06:31 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2012 06:31 AM (Qjh0I)
And you might have one when you realize who posted this.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 09:31 AM (d0Tfm)
as you know conservative writers all look the same.
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 06:31 AM (h+qn8)
Teh Stupid is strong here for such a small state.
Posted by: RightWingProf, Managing Partner, Bacon & Cleavage, LLC at January 13, 2012 06:33 AM (SO4pn)
Wait. I have to look like an Ewok now? But I invested so heavily in that Tuskan Raider costume... Complete with Gadfi-stick and plush bantha.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:34 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 13, 2012 06:34 AM (r/LDQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:29 AM (8y9MW)
"Tolerance" is near the top of my list of most aggravating words, which is topped by "outreach."
I for one am all for a little more intolerance in the world. For example, i am intolerant of: people who beat their wives (or husbands!) and/or children; murder; rape; stupidity; socialists; communists; spoiled children; ARRA-funded road construction; etc, etc, etc.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:36 AM (4df7R)
My wife had a student whose first name was "Cheadrick", pronounced "Cedric". Why bother?
*sigh*
I miss phonetics...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 06:36 AM (d0Tfm)
Wait. I have to look like an Ewok now? But I invested so heavily in that Tuskan Raider costume... Complete with Gadfi-stick and plush bantha.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:34 AM (8y9MW)
Allen, we can all raid our brush's for your moment of need to fit in the hairy herd.Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 06:36 AM (h+qn8)
I don't know. I think "Fair" may out-do both "tolerance" and "outreach."
And I agree with your list.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:37 AM (8y9MW)
Was that actually an episode of The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits? She had to be in on the joke, she had to be, otherwise .... well, otherwise .... (place image of disbelieving stunned silence, or one of ethnic cleansing, here)
Posted by: Errol at January 13, 2012 06:37 AM (vewos)
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 10:24 AM (X6akg)
The S & P should expect a swift two glove backhanded slap across the snout accompanied by references to pigs engaging in muddy sex en francais.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 06:37 AM (ZJCDy)
Posted by: phoenixgirl....all in for perry at January 13, 2012 06:37 AM (Ho2rs)
Poor kid is going to spend the rest of his life "correcting" people who spell his name right. I've got a nephew named "Malcom." He'll probably call me for bail money when he finally snaps.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 13, 2012 06:38 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: phoenixgirl....all in for perry at January 13, 2012 06:38 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:39 AM (i6RpT)
I'm trying to build a story around a character who is named Nemesis and who is an assassin just so I can have her say: "Look. My parents, who are otherwise lovely people, named me Nemesis. What other career choice did I have?"
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 10:31 AM (VtjlW)
LOL! I would read that book in a heartbeat.
I assume the heroine would wear stompy boots?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:39 AM (4df7R)
plush bantha.
I want a plush bantha. And this lamp. This plush bantha and this lamp. And this remote. This plush bantha, this lamp and this remote, that's all I need.
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 06:39 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:40 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 06:40 AM (o0pY6)
But at least all of those are names from parents who are literate (if stupid). One of the most common girls names in Texas to a certain demographic of parent (I'm sure you'll be able to figure out which one) is "Female," (pronounced: fay-mall-ay, more or less).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:06 AM (8y9MW)
"Female" was a character in the movie Cat People - which was set in New Orleans La - not Texas.
Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 06:40 AM (ylhEn)
Heck, it's bad enough when you have a real name spelled a real way and people screw it up.
I'm forever being called (in emails, no less- where my name is spelled correctly in the address list) "Alen," or "Allan," or "Alan." I occassionally think of changing the spelling of my name to the more Gaelic "Allayne" since people are going to screw it up anyway.
But that's better than my son. "Sean." Easy name, right? Famous and classical spelling? And yet everyone assumes we spelled it "Shawn" or "Shaun." Gah!
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:40 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:41 AM (i6RpT)
what do we want.
what do we want
civil discourse
civil discourse
kill the banksters
kill the banksters
and the rich
and the rich
straight faced
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 06:41 AM (h+qn8)
I assume the heroine would wear stompy boots?
But of course! The problem with actually writing it is that in my head it's gone from being some run of the mill action adventure thingy to her and her half-brother ("From the awesome half") snarking at each other.
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 06:42 AM (VtjlW)
"Remain alert tonight when U.S. markets close," Reuters cited a source as saying.
OHHHHHHHH. I get it! Alexthechick, this is why Obama is going to be flapping his lip today! When the markets inevitably tumble, as they always do when he opens his g-ddamned mouth, he can just blame it on Europe.
Sneaky. Obama isn't that smart by half. It had to be Mooch's idea.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:42 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 13, 2012 06:42 AM (k04sq)
Posted by: phoenixgirl....all in for perry at January 13, 2012 06:43 AM (Ho2rs)
This is factual. It's just that it has nothing to do with the Tea Party.
From The New Yorker:
The Obama Administration has entered into direct, secret talks with senior Afghan Taliban leaders, several people briefed about the talks told me last week.
Posted by: Steve Coll at January 13, 2012 06:43 AM (e8kgV)
Actually, it's illegal (and mostly illiterate- at least in English) aliens who see the "Female" label on the paperwork for their baby after she's born, and assume the hospital staff already named them.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:43 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 06:43 AM (h+qn8)
"King George III"
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 06:44 AM (RSqz2)
did you get a consensus?
Posted by: phoenixgirl....all in for perry at January 13, 2012 10:43 AM (Ho2rs)
i am rarely able to agree with my own thoughts.
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 06:45 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at January 13, 2012 06:45 AM (bMLFV)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:45 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:45 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: yankeefifth at January 13, 2012 06:46 AM (loM0R)
And people will praise him for it. Because "he [will have] ended the war..." and "he [will have] brought our troops home!"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:46 AM (8y9MW)
One with Mitt and Newt close to each other in SC and one with Mitt 8 points ahead. If Romney wins all 50 primaries I'll be pissed that 3 or 4 states picked our nominee.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 13, 2012 06:46 AM (k04sq)
I saw a "man in the street" interview segment on the news one night where the guy they were interviewing had the last name "George"- apparently his family had a habit of naming the boys "King" because the name on the screen below him identified him as:
"King George III"
Heh. How many George Foreman's does George Foreman have as sons?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 06:47 AM (d0Tfm)
That's just mean.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:45 AM (8y9MW)
Oh, I don't know- he seemed OK with it and I'm still laughing about it 25 years later!
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 06:47 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:47 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: yankeefifth at January 13, 2012 06:47 AM (loM0R)
But that's better than my son. "Sean." Easy name, right? Famous and classical spelling? And yet everyone assumes we spelled it "Shawn" or "Shaun." Gah!
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:40 AM (8y9MW)
Oh man, preaching to the choir! My real name is *drumroll* Melissa. And NO ONE ever spells it correctly. No one! And it's the traditional damn spelling! Melissa Gilbert, Melissa Sue Anderson, Melissa Manchester, Melissa (insert name here)! The most common offender is "Mellissa," which is just ugly. Other options I frequently see are: "Melisa," "Malisa," and "Malissa." I actually met someone once whose name was spelled "Mahlyssa," and I wanted to smack her parents and scream, "IT'S YOUR FAULT NO ONE CAN SPELL!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:47 AM (4df7R)
But that's better than my son. "Sean." Easy name, right? Famous and classical spelling?
See, I at least always ask Irish or Anglican spelling so I know whether to use Sean (correct) or Shawn (abomination).
Alexthechick, this is why Obama is going to be flapping his lip today! When the markets inevitably tumble, as they always do when he opens his g-ddamned mouth, he can just blame it on Europe.
You know, it's about to be a three day weekend. I'm sure the boss won't mind if I have a seven martini lunch.
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 06:47 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:47 AM (i6RpT)
Stop waving that pole at me and get those horns off my dog!
Posted by: Allen's Neighbor at January 13, 2012 06:48 AM (t/mAc)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:48 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl....all in for perry at January 13, 2012 06:48 AM (Ho2rs)
You, and I, and the rest of the 47%. Unfortunately, that leaves us outnumber by the combination of ostriches and surrender-monkeys.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:50 AM (8y9MW)
You know, it's about to be a three day weekend. I'm sure the boss won't mind if I have a seven martini lunch.
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 10:47 AM (VtjlW)
Worth a try. The seven might just be enough to stave off the bad luck of it being Friday the 13th.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:50 AM (4df7R)
A local radio talk show has a list of these buzzwords and does the foghorn sound whenever they are used. It keeps callers from using them and highlights how often they are used by the left. Here is the shows definition:
Foghorn: The sound one hears immediately after uttering an incredibly moronic statement and/or a word not in the Garage Logic Lexicon. All FOGHORN-ABLE words are words whose original meanings have been distorted and embraced by mysterians in an attempt to mean something else.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2012 06:50 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: yankeefifth at January 13, 2012 06:51 AM (loM0R)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:47 AM (8y9MW)
Whenever some knothead spouts this "the President should end the war" stuff I always ask them: "Who ended World War II?"*
They never get the answer right.
* ok, it's a trick question 'cause there are actually TWO people...
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 06:51 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:52 AM (i6RpT)
See, I at least always ask Irish or Anglican spelling so I know whether to use Sean (correct) or Shawn (abomination).
How about "Shaun?" (of "-of the Dead" fame).
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:52 AM (4df7R)
Okay, I should know this... who actually delivered the official surrender for Germany, since Hitler was dead?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 06:52 AM (8y9MW)
Worth a try. The seven might just be enough to stave off the bad luck of it being Friday the 13th.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 10:50 AM (4df7R)
o forgoodnesssakes, and a jason lives next door to me .
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 06:52 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 13, 2012 06:53 AM (k04sq)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 06:53 AM (i6RpT)
Seriously.
http://tinyurl.com/6wdfglt
The money line:
The administration claims to have "180,000 job commitments" from private employers, but according to the White House press release, only 70,000 (38%) are paid positions. So, instead of prosecuting the employers offering the remaining 110,000 internships, the Department of Labor is now praising these employers and counting these internships in their jobs numbers.
Posted by: I had to laugh out loud at January 13, 2012 06:54 AM (/MuFf)
Posted by: Gary at January 13, 2012 06:54 AM (CzSc3)
is it a requirement for liberal womyn to talk and look like unattractive men?
I think this is one of the reasons they are libs. They're unattractive so have a chip on their shoulder. The chip leads to an unhappy blaming hysterical mind set. They feel persecuted and so blame "the man". They think that society has made them miserable but it's been their own chip. Mooschelle case in point.
Posted by: dagny at January 13, 2012 06:54 AM (TCgts)
o forgoodnesssakes, and a jason lives next door to me .
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 10:52 AM (h+qn
Uh-oh.
If you also live on Elm Street, willow, I suggest you take a vacation for the rest of the day. If you have a brother named "Michael," don't stop to pack.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:54 AM (4df7R)
Worth a try. The seven might just be enough to stave off the bad luck of it being Friday the 13th.
See, it's science!
Posted by: alexthechick at January 13, 2012 06:55 AM (VtjlW)
If you also live on Elm Street, willow, I suggest you take a vacation for the rest of the day. If you have a brother named "Michael," don't stop to pack.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 10:54 AM (4df7R)
thank g-d i do not live on elm street, but i do have a bird named freddie, and he can attack like freddie krugar when he doesn't get his treats
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 06:56 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:52 AM (8y9MW)
Admiral Karl Doenitz
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 06:58 AM (RSqz2)
thank g-d i do not live on elm street, but i do have a bird named freddie, and he can attack like freddie krugar when he doesn't get his treats
Posted by: willow at January 13, 2012 10:56 AM (h+qn
LOL! I can empathize. Our budgie has a beak on him that you would not believe could hurt so much for such a tiny thing.
Definitely make sure Freddie gets his treats today!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 13, 2012 06:58 AM (4df7R)
Dönitz was head of state, but I think underlings usually sign the surrender document.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 13, 2012 06:59 AM (q8xaf)
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 13, 2012 10:53 AM (i6RpT)
LOL! they didn't actually surrender, but they did have a lot to do with it :-)
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 13, 2012 07:00 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 07:01 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Aaron at January 13, 2012 07:02 AM (Tlix5)
Doesn't seem to be working out for them.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 13, 2012 07:03 AM (ZKzrr)
Wouldn't the preeminent example of "economic terrorism" be all the manipulation of our banking system by mostly Democrats? Isn't that in large part what set things in motion for the economic collapse?
Why, yes, yes it would be. As has been discussed here many times, the implosion of the housing market was set in motion by the Affordable Housing Act, enacted by the Carter administration and reinforced and reinvigorated by the Clinton admin. This POS law required banks to isssue mortgages to people who couldn't normally qualify for them under the old standards.
It took a while, but it eventually achieved it's desired goal of destroying the economy, conveniently just in time for the '08 elections. Banks were blamed, when all they were doing was following the law. Our very own SCOAMT-in-Chief was an enabler of this.
Yet another mystery to me is why the left seemed intent upon skewering the system to make homes more affordable, when all they needed to do is stay out of the way and let the free market work its magic.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at January 13, 2012 07:04 AM (d0Tfm)
When he called out the black community over the summer during the height of the "flash rob" epidemic, I wondered how long he'll have in office before they boot his ass out.
Ah, he's a Dem and was re-elected last year with only 72 percent of the vote. Dem mayors usually clear 85 percent around here. That's as close to booting him out as we'll see, unless he goes full Cosby.....
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 13, 2012 07:06 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at January 13, 2012 07:06 AM (loM0R)
Posted by: yankeefifth at January 13, 2012 07:08 AM (loM0R)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 07:11 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: I am the walrus, goo-goo-ga-joo at January 13, 2012 07:15 AM (ybkwK)
You could just take the view that her brain is a nightmarish, twisted freeway... that has some key collector ramps missing (or re-directed to god-knows-where). OR, regard her a typical (nasty) hard-core lefty who uses 'words' the same way a clever assassin uses a cloak as a blind for the dagger they're holding.
Leftists (progressives, marxists, etc.) weaponize words... and they are masters of that skill-set... over a century+ of practice doing that sort of thing will give you that level of ability.
I'll admit to having scant patience for people like her... I just see her for what she is, a committed, self-righteous ideologue, and would deal with her accordingly.
Besides... Self-deception and denial of reality is part and parcel of being a 'citizen in good-standing' in Lefty-land... or being clinically insane.
Which is, to me, a distinction without a difference.
Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 13, 2012 07:18 AM (1GunI)
She figured it out near the end and realized she had to go with it because she knew she already screwed the pooch.
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 13, 2012 07:20 AM (oNPV6)
My own personal favorite was the former NBA player Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway.
Back in the 80's Memphis State had a basketball player named Baskerville Holmes. The story was his mother was watching "The Hound of the Baskervilles" when she went into labor.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 13, 2012 07:21 AM (L8r/r)
ehhhh....ugly on the outside but awesome on the inside didn't work out for me, either. Born a couple of decades too late for that.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 13, 2012 07:21 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 13, 2012 10:43 AM (8y9MW)
Yes, that was how "Female" got her name in the movie - her parents were Cajuns who didn't speak English.
However the premise is absurd in the real world.
Your wife gives birth in Austria and like Obama you don't speak Austrian. You see a form with the following on one of its lines:
Nubeiat frelish: rebarth
Do you name your child rebarth? Do you even know if the line on the form saying Nubeiat frelish is talking about a baby's name?
Show me a source for your absurd claim.
Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 07:23 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Rebarth Jones at January 13, 2012 07:28 AM (/0HuL)
Posted by: yankeefifth at January 13, 2012 07:36 AM (loM0R)
Synchronicity? Or just GMTA...
Could it be that they are trying to put one over on us?
In any case, if there really was collusion between them for a (wink wink) "interview", the general audience on YouTube won't "get" their hip attempt to be ironic, by pretending to be clueless about irony (which is one of Stewart's shticks).
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at January 13, 2012 07:36 AM (ULADD)
It is very messy to admit you were wrong about something big. Especially if you doubled down when you wrong. Think about you repaired bridges when you had to do that.
Maybe you came flat out and apologized. But more like you did it in a messy, gradual way. Like not talking about it, then maybe a while later making a half-funny reference to it in a way that kind of admits you were wrong, but not seriously. Maybe you never really apologized until years after the issue blew over, over a beer or late night jam session. But it took a while, and it was baby steps all the way.
This may be Harrop's way of making things right.
That's important.
Because a lot of smart, basically good people are now realizing that they screwed up majorly with the SCOAMF. And they will back out in different ways, some more gracefully than others.
It is in our best interest to let them. Not "help" them, or coddle them, but not get in the way either. Treat them in the way we we would want to be treated if we were trying to get on the right side of a bad mistake.
And we know how we would want to be treated in that situation. Because each one of us HAS been in that situation.
Posted by: Sweet Lou at January 13, 2012 07:37 AM (WrHFg)
Posted by: yankeefifth at January 13, 2012 07:38 AM (loM0R)
Who the hell names a little baby Froma?!
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 09:03 AM (X6akg)
A rabid Toxic Avenger fan without spell-check.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 13, 2012 07:44 AM (XCHGh)
Posted by: harleycowboy at January 13, 2012 07:44 AM (wSTfB)
Of course they bring in Brooks and John McCain to agree with them how barbaric the GOP has become
Posted by: kbdabear at January 13, 2012 07:50 AM (Y+DPZ)
That's twice now that my line has been referenced, so it's possible that I was unclear.
I have no way of knowing what she "was knowing" at the time of the skit. However like all leftist intellectuals, the humor is in watching them explain how everyone that disagrees with them is a murderous cretin, and that this so obviously is all that anyone needs to know.
Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 07:53 AM (ZJCDy)
Posted by: Rebarth Jones at January 13, 2012 11:28 AM (/0HuL)
I see what you did there.
Posted by: An Observation at January 13, 2012 07:55 AM (ylhEn)
Leftists (progressives, marxists, etc.) weaponize words... and they are masters of that skill-set... over a century+ of practice doing that sort of thing will give you that level of ability.
Yep. Over the years I've noticed that a VERY popular nom de net theme in lefty circles is multiple variations on "word warrior".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 13, 2012 07:56 AM (XCHGh)
Posted by: joeindc44 - fully stoked tebow crazed rioter at January 13, 2012 07:57 AM (QxSug)
On one hand I don't see how she couldn't have known what he was doing.
On the other hand... if she thought her position was reasonable; why wouldn't she bother defending it at all?
Posted by: gekkobear at January 13, 2012 07:59 AM (jgn1Z)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 13, 2012 08:04 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 13, 2012 08:23 AM (5t0+L)
41 Wtf why do I keep seeing the fucking Daily Show on here? This isn't Kos wtf?
All part of the new branding image at Ace of Spades. Teh funny never stops with its hilarious take downs of capitalism on center stage. A shout out to fellow travelers Lebowitz and Markos. FTW!
Posted by: Fair Tax Forever at January 13, 2012 08:25 AM (gZVu4)
All part of the new branding image at Ace of
Spades. Teh funny never stops with its hilarious take downs of
capitalism on center stage. A shout out to fellow travelers Lebowitz
and Markos. FTW! Posted by: Fair Tax Forever at January 13, 2012 12:25 PM
You guys are pushing a brand of territorialism I'm not interested in. I can pick and choose what I like from people I generally disagree with. I can hold conflicting opinions about a person or a TV show with no problem. You should try it. It's healthy.
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 13, 2012 08:43 AM (5t0+L)
Check out her "defense" on her website:
"Sure, much of my careful reasoning ended up on the cutting-room floor, but it was fun"
Has to parody. Humans can't be this stupid.
Posted by: Fen at January 13, 2012 08:47 AM (Cih47)
Posted by: Nina Totenberg today on NPR at January 13, 2012 09:09 AM (SDkq3)
Well - if I'm still alive, I think I'm feeling "relief". Hmmm . . .
Posted by: Shakin' Like a Man on a Fuzzy Tree at January 13, 2012 09:21 AM (tAwhy)
Posted by: Bob Saget at January 13, 2012 09:29 AM (SDkq3)
Unless Ms. Harrop is the single greatest living actress in the world today, I challenge anyone to view the interview and then not conclude that she was completely oblivious to what the Daily Show producers were doing to her.
I think the gag worked so well because Ms. Harrop incorrectly assumed that she and Oliver were ideologically simpatico and were working toward the same objective. She was clearly wrong on this assumption. The real objective was to make her and people of her ilk look like clowns.
Posted by: Packard Day at January 13, 2012 09:34 AM (u7fLf)
Throw me a bone here -- what time does the stress in the voice start to appear? Because the only time I can figure it might have happened is midway, before he does all that "excuse me, I gotta go for a second" schtick
Yeah, it is comedy gold, but hard to grasp she was totally oblivious.
Plus, this seems to play out the prediction made sometime back on this blog that eventually Progressives would have to choose between ObamaMania and their core beliefs, and Obama would be thrown under the bus.
Posted by: Sweet Lou at January 13, 2012 11:11 AM (WrHFg)
Posted by: Froma Trollop at January 13, 2012 11:34 AM (e7Z67)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2012 12:11 PM (bxiXv)
Look, cut the poor woman slack. Her parents named her Froma. She should get a medal for not having set an entire town on fire.
Word.
Posted by: Lizzie Borden at January 13, 2012 12:29 PM (Ai2jI)
Look, cut the poor woman slack. Her parents named her Froma. She should get a medal for not having set an entire town on fire.90
Look, cut the poor woman slack. Her parents named her Froma. She should get a medal for not having set an entire town on fire.
Some kids have done a lot more over a lot less.
Posted by: Eric and Lyle Menendez at January 13, 2012 12:30 PM (Ai2jI)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2012 12:41 PM (bxiXv)
Don't rip on people's names so much. Especially if you don't know what you're ripping on.
Posted by: Maureen at January 13, 2012 01:39 PM (lk5a3)
Posted by: Thaddeus T. McCockles at January 13, 2012 01:50 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 13, 2012 01:50 PM (7GfKM)
(1) She believes that good people engage in civil discourse and bad people do not.
(2) She is a liberal -- good person -- tea partiers are not -- bad people.
(3) Ergo, she cannot possibly be engaging in uncivil discourse by definition.
It's also the "black people are incapable of racism" thing, it just takes a bit more anal-ysis to unravel.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 13, 2012 01:56 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:00 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 13, 2012 05:56 PM (T0NGe)
Would that require the assistance of an analytical therapist, what I like to call an analrapist?
Posted by: Tobias Funke at January 13, 2012 02:01 PM (je9Ke)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:02 PM (nj1bB)
SEE: "Living" "Practicing Freedoms" "Spending other people's money" "Not being held to accountability" "Generally not getting to do whatever the hell you want"
Posted by: WheelmanForHire at January 13, 2012 02:03 PM (l8nIR)
Why bump this?
I think chemjeff (and others) have made a very good argument that this scrunt was in on the joke.
They're basically tormenting us by proving how they can say whatever they want while marginalizing conservative speech through mockery. They're flaunting it.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 13, 2012 02:04 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Potato Bandit at January 13, 2012 02:04 PM (H15Ok)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:07 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Tami at January 13, 2012 09:03 AM (X6akg)
Miserable bastards who hate life and hope their kid does too?
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 02:10 PM (rm7uw)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 02:10 PM (eFnXz)
Nuh huh. You're shi-tting us.
I think this was a SNL skit back in the day. Shi-theed and Asswipe -- pronounced assweap-a
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 13, 2012 02:11 PM (pQMFr)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:11 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2012 02:12 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 13, 2012 02:12 PM (pQMFr)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 02:13 PM (eFnXz)
Posted by: Kin Jong Il in Hell, which is a lot like North Korea at January 13, 2012 02:13 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 02:13 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at January 13, 2012 02:13 PM (E7yM+)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:14 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 13, 2012 02:15 PM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Potato Bandit at January 13, 2012 02:15 PM (H15Ok)
Brewer, in typical full-on OMG GUYS LOOK WHAT I FOUND Mode, and himself not particuarly possessed of either self-awareness or irony, didn't bother to think too hard about what he was watching before he linked it.
Oh well. Six minutes of my life I could have spent watching pron.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 13, 2012 02:15 PM (twqPO)
Also, if she's screaming that they cut her best arguments out, that means she most definitely was *not* in on the joke.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 13, 2012 02:15 PM (Lpdzt)
Bob Loblaw. Played by the awesomely awesome Scott Baio.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 13, 2012 02:16 PM (pQMFr)
And the MFM scratches their collective head over their shrinking market share.
Reality is tougher to deal with when you refuse to recognize and acknowledge it.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 02:17 PM (ZJCDy)
That's very interesting, but her name isn't Frum or Fruma. It's Froma. Any Yid worth his salt knows how to spell "frum," so I'm going to suggest that her name is not based on the word "frum."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 02:18 PM (nEUpB)
Perhaps Ms Harrop is just a bit too integratively complex for you terrorists to comprehend.
Posted by: Dana Milbank at January 13, 2012 02:18 PM (S4+t1)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 13, 2012 02:18 PM (h+mab)
See Tuscon Shooting, Spin of.
Posted by: nickless at January 13, 2012 02:18 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MFM at January 13, 2012 02:18 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:20 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Froma Harrup at January 13, 2012 02:20 PM (Lpdzt)
I was forced to watch it by my wife, who neglected to tell me that it was a Woody Allen movie. Five minutes into it I discovered that I hated all the characters.
Every. Single. One.
And then it got worse.
[Except for Carla Bruni, who is a smokin' hot piece of ass.]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 02:20 PM (nEUpB)
Just got an e-mail from the best wife ever telling me that if I was craving snacks that there was a big bag of peanut M&M's in the hutch. Sweet.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 13, 2012 02:21 PM (Qjh0I)
Trying to reduce the increase in the federal budget: Terrorism
Posted by: The New Civility at January 13, 2012 02:21 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 02:22 PM (7W3wI)
Don't tell anyone, but I'd like to be peed on by Marine Mammals.
My iPhone is loaded with Walrus Micturation vids.
Posted by: Dana Milbank at January 13, 2012 02:22 PM (S4+t1)
Why women do this to their face is beyond me....
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 13, 2012 02:23 PM (pQMFr)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 02:23 PM (eFnXz)
Posted by: Smugness Police at January 13, 2012 02:23 PM (Z4I1D)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:24 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 13, 2012 02:24 PM (l9zgN)
And...her body of work demonstrates very little sense of humor and a vast arrogance that she, and she alone has the answer to everything.
People like that tend not to enjoy being ridiculed, even if they know it's happening.
Occam says: She is an ass, and she got punked.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 02:25 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 13, 2012 06:11 PM (pQMFr)
Damn corksoakers!
Posted by: Meremortal at January 13, 2012 02:25 PM (Usk3+)
PARANOID RAGE
It causes bad judgment.Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 06:07 PM (nj1bB)
HOW MANY TIMES DOES OLIVER HAVE TO ASK "SO YOU'RE CALLING SOMEONE TERRORIST SIMPLY FOR HAVING DIFFERENT ECONOMIC VIEWS THAN YOU" BEFORE THE PARANOID THEY'RE-OUT-TO-GET-ME ACT STARTS TO SEEM KIND OF SILLY?Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 06:24 PM (nj1bB)
Yep.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at January 13, 2012 02:26 PM (twqPO)
Posted by: Ace's 'Shift' Key at January 13, 2012 02:27 PM (S4+t1)
Posted by: Potato Bandit at January 13, 2012 02:28 PM (H15Ok)
I think they just live in a bubble of idiots just like themselves...
Note, Daley was working for the White House, until he went home for Christmas and got a dose of Reality.... he stepped outside the bubble...
And avoiding the Bubble? is a good thing...
Posted by: Prisoner Number 6 at January 13, 2012 02:28 PM (NtXW4)
Oh fuck! Do not interpret my lust for Carla Bruni as an endorsement of this pathetic, whiny, arrogant, self-absorbed piece-of-shit of a movie.
I apologize if you got even an inkling of a suggestion that perhaps it was worth 30 seconds of any sentient being's time.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 02:28 PM (nEUpB)
So in other words, she's exactly like 99.999% of leftists.
Posted by: meekrob at January 13, 2012 02:28 PM (/0HuL)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at January 13, 2012 02:29 PM (bohBF)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2012 02:30 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:30 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: nickless at January 13, 2012 06:18 PM (MMC8r)
I always say it: Jared Loughner was a 9/11-truther who hated George W. Bush.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 13, 2012 02:30 PM (T0NGe)
Pretty sure mocking leftists is the epitome of Hate Speech.
Posted by: meekrob at January 13, 2012 02:30 PM (/0HuL)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 02:30 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: MFM at January 13, 2012 06:18 PM (7W3wI)
Yes Infidel... for all know Allah said its better to be Pissed Off, than Pissed On!
Posted by: Islamic Rage Zombie at January 13, 2012 02:31 PM (NtXW4)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 02:31 PM (eFnXz)
I prefer this photo: Carla Bruni. (NSFW)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 02:32 PM (nEUpB)
Word up.
Also it's better to be a smartass than a dumbass.
Posted by: meekrob at January 13, 2012 02:32 PM (/0HuL)
Oh speaking of, he's even better than you think. More humble than probably any of us imagined.
A good read from Rick Reilly.
And yes I am attempting to change the subject
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 13, 2012 02:33 PM (pQMFr)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 13, 2012 02:34 PM (eFnXz)
Posted by: Ayatollah Komeini at January 13, 2012 02:34 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Nameless Marines at January 13, 2012 02:34 PM (Usk3+)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:35 PM (nj1bB)
Oh you made an argument. I didn't know you made an argument.
Hey, when I need a good Censor, a good Cocooning Adviser, you'll be tops on my list, swearsies.
But I don't need one right now, so take your I Shall Close Myself Off From The World bullshit back into the shack.
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 06:07 PM (nj1bB)
Ummm . . .I didn't make any argument. Try reading your own fucking blog.
I just said that chemjeff made a pretty good argument that the scrunt was in on it. I'm not convinced he's right but it's definitely food for thought.
But maybe only food for the thoughtful.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 13, 2012 02:36 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Nameless Marines at January 13, 2012 06:34 PM (Usk3+)
Actualy, it was common practice in my day to have a young boy piss on your wounds to clean them out...
Perhaps this was just old school First Aid?
Posted by: Medeval Chirugeon, shut up or I'll bleed ya at January 13, 2012 02:37 PM (NtXW4)
That would be children, old people, and progressyves.
Posted by: jeanne! at January 13, 2012 02:37 PM (fpQsH)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:38 PM (nj1bB)
My personal feeling is she thought she could come off looking smart and TDS played along with letting her give 5 minute rambling explanations so she felt like she came across well and then they edited that nonsense right out.
Can someone who thinks she was in on the joke explain to me any possible reason she would go along with this and allow herself to look so completely foolish?
Posted by: AndrewsDad at January 13, 2012 02:40 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 02:40 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:40 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2012 02:41 PM (FcR7P)
Yeah, I really don't see the upside for this scrunt at all. Best case, she can tell her buddies she was on Daily Show. That's it. That's the best case if she was in on it. The price of that? Looking like a total self-ignorant, hateful, unfunny, unaware, completely hypocritical asshat, and making the Tea Party look kinda good as a side-benny. Yep, I'm sure she was in on it.
Posted by: chazmartel at January 13, 2012 02:41 PM (gkNhD)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:41 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:43 PM (nj1bB)
That's not the kind of humor that would ever occur to her, let alone gain her active participation.
Yeah, she was in on the joke, after all the gasping laughter on her phone messages.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 13, 2012 02:43 PM (ZJCDy)
Posted by: really ... at January 13, 2012 02:43 PM (X3lox)
403 No bannings. I just think some people really do not talk to other people very often in real life and do not seem to get the nuances of languages and expressions.
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Yeah, agree there. It causes a lot of problems on the net. Attempts at humor can lead to major misunderstandings.
Posted by: Meremortal at January 13, 2012 02:44 PM (Usk3+)
Olberdouche, Tingles, Ed Shultz...
Nope, can't think of any.
Posted by: meekrob at January 13, 2012 02:44 PM (/0HuL)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:44 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 06:40 PM (7W3wI)
I agree. That pose maximizes the heft of her quite delightful rack. This was taken when she was quite young. And she has a little meat on her bones, judging by the rest of her body.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 02:45 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 02:46 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:47 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 02:48 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:48 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: simplemind at January 13, 2012 02:49 PM (za3QZ)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 02:50 PM (r2PLg)
This. Plus it was actually funny! The story about the Colin Powell G.I. Joe doll ("Hasbro has bro!") still makes me chuckle.
Posted by: meekrob at January 13, 2012 02:51 PM (/0HuL)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 02:52 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 06:52 PM (r2PLg)
try taking notes.
Posted by: garrett at January 13, 2012 02:54 PM (S4+t1)
CBS Evening News just finished up with the most hair-tearing-worthy hit piece involving Romney and Bain.
I could give a fuck less about Romney but I hope Scott Pelley gets run over by a cab on his way home tonight.
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 02:54 PM (rm7uw)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:55 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 02:55 PM (7W3wI)
How about Dick Harpootlian? He's the SC Democrat Party Chair.
Posted by: Vic at January 13, 2012 09:16 AM (YdQQY)
I oncce knew a guy named Tommy Fangboner. Live with THAT one! He did for 45 years!
Posted by: tamika looking for baby-daddy at January 13, 2012 02:56 PM (SPVfc)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 02:56 PM (r2PLg)
Anyone who completed 3rd grade would have realized early in the filming what was happening and where this was headed.
Like I said, I can't come up with a reason why she would play along, what is the benefit to that but I am equally struggling with her being so completely and utterly clueless to think this would end up as anything other than what was shown.
She has a functioning enough brain that she has managed to feed herself for the last 50+ years so how she could miss such an over the top mocking to her face is stunning.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at January 13, 2012 02:57 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 02:58 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 06:50 PM (r2PLg)
And it's really not even that they're throwing us a bone. It's just that there is such a wealth of untapped comedy from their side, that every once in a while, a hilariously dense, reality denying scrunt like this one bubbles to the surface begging to be ridiculed. It would be a true crime against comedy to let her pass, the cause be damned.
Posted by: mugiwara at January 13, 2012 02:58 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: meekrob at January 13, 2012 02:58 PM (/0HuL)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 02:59 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Sweet Lou at January 13, 2012 02:59 PM (WrHFg)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 03:00 PM (7W3wI)
Because she thinks that she is so fucking clever and witty and hip and tuned in to every nuance of popular culture that she would be able to deflect any attempt at the typical mocking of the interviewee that happens every fucking time on that show.
This is typical liberal conceit.
I am smarter. I know more. I am quicker and wittier than anyone who may try to trip me up.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 03:01 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: simplemind at January 13, 2012 03:02 PM (za3QZ)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:02 PM (nj1bB)
a) Froma Harrop knew it was a joke on her at the time, and decided to play along.
b) Froma Harrop realized the joke either during or after the interview, and is spinning like mad.
Given that no sane person would be involved with a) unless they had either a hugely tolerant and very odd sense of humor, or else some desire to go on the Daily Show (possibly just because they're a fan, possibly to try and punk the punkers -- who knows?), this leaves me with a list of four options:
1) Option a) is true, and Froma Harrop has a hugely tolerant and very odd sense of humor.
2) Option a) is true, and Froma Harrop had a desire to go on the Daily Show.
3) Option a) is true, and Froma Harrop isn't a sane person.
4) Option b) is true, and no further explanation is needed.
You know, I think I'm going with 4).
Posted by: Demosthenes at January 13, 2012 03:02 PM (NMHOD)
I would if I wanted to pretend that I didn't get punked.
Posted by: meekrob at January 13, 2012 03:02 PM (/0HuL)
Kids nowadays.
They just don't appreciate good lesbian pron.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 03:02 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: tasker at January 13, 2012 03:03 PM (r2PLg)
It will be interesting to see if she comes out later crying I was setup, the media was unfair.
At which point the correct answer is Hey Froma, Mary Mapes, formerly of 60 minutes wants to talk...
Posted by: AndrewsDad at January 13, 2012 03:03 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 03:03 PM (7W3wI)
Posted by: Demosthenes at January 13, 2012 03:04 PM (NMHOD)
I am smarter. I know more. I am quicker and wittier than anyone who may try to trip me up.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 07:01 PM (nEUpB)
Sounds like people on MY show
Posted by: Judge Judy at January 13, 2012 03:04 PM (SPVfc)
Yeah, Daily Show only throws us a bone once a month or so. But the bones they do throw are really tasty.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 13, 2012 03:05 PM (QcFbt)
They just don't appreciate good lesbian pron.
It's like a sunrise or the aurora borealis.
You just have to stop, take a second and bask in the glory of creation.
Posted by: garrett at January 13, 2012 03:05 PM (S4+t1)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:05 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:07 PM (nj1bB)
The return from the first cut away is hysterical. As usual, they beat the only really funny part of the bit into the ground via repitition.
Posted by: garrett at January 13, 2012 03:08 PM (S4+t1)
Posted by: phoenixgirl....all in for perry at January 13, 2012 03:09 PM (Ho2rs)
I don't think its possible to have that complete total utter lack of self awareness and be able to function as an adult in society and appear to be employed.
When the guy walks around the chair and she does not even blink. Seemed excessively excessive.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at January 13, 2012 03:09 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:10 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:11 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 03:11 PM (rm7uw)
Posted by: really ... at January 13, 2012 03:11 PM (X3lox)
CJ, the day after Sacha Cohen stuck his bare ass in Eminem's face at a music awards ceremony and made Eminem and his bodyguards furious, they announced there were in on it the whole time and that "Eminem was laughing harder than anyone."
Laughing.
People are having trouble believing she could be this stupid, so they think she was in on it. No. It's the hubris. Hubris can make people do a lot of dumb things. Really dumb.
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 13, 2012 03:11 PM (5t0+L)
The return from the first cut away is hysterical. As usual, they beat the only really funny part of the bit into the ground via repitition.
Posted by: garrett at January 13, 2012 07:08 PM (S4+t1)
It's the third time that really kills. Keep squeezing if you've got nothing else.
Posted by: SNL's Rules for Skits and Bits at January 13, 2012 03:12 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:14 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 07:07 PM (nj1bB)
Why is this complicated? And why are we spending 500 comments on it? There is lesbian pron to be discussed!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 03:15 PM (nEUpB)
A credit card will help.
Seriously.
Trying to fix anything bu the most trivial damage will make it sound worse.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 03:18 PM (nEUpB)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 13, 2012 07:14 PM (5Wj1Y)
I broke off a tuning peg on accident. It's old and hasn't been played for at least 30 years and I guess I put a bit too much effort into removing it.
Since it's not threaded can I just drill it out and re-lacquer the surface?
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 03:19 PM (rm7uw)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 13, 2012 03:19 PM (9TM3T)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 07:15 PM (nEUpB)
Lesbian porn is like baseball without scoring. Fun to watch for a second, but basically pointless.
Posted by: really ... at January 13, 2012 03:20 PM (X3lox)
Because someone is wrong on the Internet!!!!
(xkcd with the funny -- and he's probably a big lib, too. It's ok, every time I enjoy something a left-winger does I make sure to secretly wish they get bowel cancer and die in a fire for their heresy.)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at January 13, 2012 03:20 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 13, 2012 07:18 PM (nEUpB)
Can't sound any worse than what I produce throught it.
Besides, I'm hard-headed like that.
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 03:21 PM (rm7uw)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 13, 2012 03:22 PM (Ai2jI)
Posted by: Fritz at January 13, 2012 03:24 PM (3raPN)
Members of Congress want to see whether White Gun, like Fast and Furious, lost track of firearms that ended up with Mexican criminals.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 13, 2012 03:24 PM (UR5vq)
It's in showcasing the smugness of the Anointed. Of course she knew she was having the piss taken out of her. She gamely sat through it anyway, because she knew she was right. Everything she is, is about being right.
In her mind she's Galileo in front of the Inquisition; she's Joan of Arc against the Burgundians. She'll grit her teeth and stand by her hypocrisy, because her opponents are not worthy of civility.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at January 13, 2012 03:25 PM (QQAJP)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2012 03:26 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: dogfish at January 13, 2012 03:26 PM (N2yhW)
Thanks, Waterhouse. Link fixed.
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 13, 2012 03:26 PM (5t0+L)
Be careful if you have to drill it out because it is just a friction peg and if you wallow out the hole too much a new peg will have slippage problems.
Do you have fine tuners on the bridge? If not get some. They make tuning much easier.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 13, 2012 03:27 PM (5Wj1Y)
I've chatted with the guy on his IRC channel, mid 2008. He views himself as a tech-savvy moderate. Politically and in practice, that meant when Lawrence Lessig said "vote for Obama", he endorsed Obama on his blog.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at January 13, 2012 03:28 PM (QQAJP)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 13, 2012 03:28 PM (piMMO)
Since it's not threaded can I just drill it out and re-lacquer the surface?
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 07:19 PM (rm7uw)
No, because violin peg holes are tapered, and the tools for tapering them cost a small fortune (14.5 degree taper, I think). You might try drilling out the center with a much smaller diameter bit, like 1/16," on both ends to relieve pressure if you can do so without touching the sides, and then using a punch of some kind (a flat-headed nail would work - you want something that won't penetrate the wood) to drive the peg out, making sure that you are whacking on the small end of course. pad any surface that it is going to be resting on.
I would try driving it out first before trying to drill out anything.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 13, 2012 03:28 PM (sEvRn)
>>TheFix Former NC Sen. John Edwards has life-threatening hard condition. http://t.co/x7eesTxw
Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2012 07:26 PM (TMB3S)
Heh. Wanna bet the judge is a buddy and/or heavily paid off?
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 03:29 PM (rm7uw)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2012 03:31 PM (bxiXv)
Think you could use a carefully placed C-clamp to gently push the peg outwards. Use protective pads on the C-clamp.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 13, 2012 03:31 PM (i3+c5)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 13, 2012 03:32 PM (5Wj1Y)
Posted by: NY Times at January 13, 2012 03:34 PM (7W3wI)
Late entry: I second the comments above about cutesy names and/or spellings, and about illiterate ones (e.g., naming a girl "Sasha," for example - the Russian diminutive for "Alexander." Yeah, I know it sounds like a girl's name, but it isn't. You'd think the Geniusest Genius of All Time would have researched the name a tad first.)
I also don't like bogus pronounciations that obviously differ from the spelling. ("My name? H-I-T-L-E-R. It's pronounced "Smith.")
Brett Favre is an offender here. Brett, the "v" comes before the "r;" it's "Fah vra," not "Farve," you numbskull.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 13, 2012 03:35 PM (Ai2jI)
She's at the top of her game there.
Posted by: Gmac at January 13, 2012 07:36 PM (Zsn/u)
Yeah. Think this little episode will shut her up for a while?
Nah, neither do I.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 13, 2012 03:37 PM (Ai2jI)
I would try driving it out first before trying to drill out anything.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 13, 2012 07:28 PM (sEvRn)
I see. That would be from an awkward angle but I'll try that tomorrow but not right now. I've had a few beers.
Incidentally, I was reading a few articles bout replacing violin pegs with planetary banjo tuners (last resort) but I'd like to preserve the heritage of the piece, if I can.
Good info, thanks!
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 03:37 PM (rm7uw)
Ace:
Thanks for jumping on me with both feet for opining that chemjeff (and others) had this one figured out.
Before you even read what they had said.
Since you're a wordsmith -- I suggest you write a complete book titled "How to Lose Friends and Not Influence People".
I'm sure it would be a best seller.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 13, 2012 03:38 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 13, 2012 07:31 PM (i3+c5)
That might work, but I suspect that the gentle increas of pressure will not work as well a small but sharp rap with a hammer. Getting the c-clamp to line up in such a way that it exerts its force in line with the direction you want the peg to move without blocking the other end might be a problem, particularly so if the end is rounded.
I was forgetting that the small end probably projects from the side. If so, you don't need a punch, just tap the end or use the C-clamp.
Drilling should be a last resort, and if you touch the violin head you will ruin it.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 13, 2012 03:38 PM (sEvRn)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 13, 2012 03:39 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:39 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2012 06:40 PM (7W3wI)
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There's something very wrong with you.
Posted by: Tiffany Towers at January 13, 2012 03:40 PM (Usk3+)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:41 PM (nj1bB)
Late entry: I second the comments above about cutesy names and/or spellings, and about illiterate ones (e.g., naming a girl "Sasha," for example - the Russian diminutive for "Alexander." Yeah, I know it sounds like a girl's name, but it isn't. You'd think the Geniusest Genius of All Time would have researched the name a tad first.)
Since you brought it up...every time I see the name "Malia" all I can think of is that The O's named their daughter "bad." Guess as educated as M&O allegedly were, neither ever took Spanish 101.
Posted by: Mayday at January 13, 2012 03:41 PM (orrLR)
Posted by: Some Marines at January 13, 2012 03:44 PM (vWrND)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:45 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 13, 2012 07:31 PM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 13, 2012 07:38 PM (sEvRn)
It's an incredibly delicate instrument. That's why tapping it or putting much pressure on it makes me nervous.
It's not a Stradivarius or anything but it's nice to me.
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 03:46 PM (rm7uw)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 13, 2012 03:46 PM (5Wj1Y)
>>>Thanks for jumping on me with both feet for opining that chemjeff (and others) had this one figured out.
I read you grousing at me for bumping it and insisting it was a joke on conservatives.
Why should I stay my hand if you won't stay thine?
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 07:41 PM (nj1bB)
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I was nearly as nasty as you. Plus, It didn't appear that you had read any of what chemjeff and others said. They did make some valid points.So yeah, it was a normal reaction for me to be offended by your nasty reply.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 13, 2012 03:50 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 13, 2012 03:54 PM (Usk3+)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2012 03:55 PM (bxiXv)
It's an incredibly delicate instrument. That's why tapping it or putting much pressure on it makes me nervous.
It's not a Stradivarius or anything but it's nice to me.
Posted by: ErikW at January 13, 2012 07:46 PM (rm7uw)
My knowledge is limited to a few TV shows about making violins. It sounds like your tuners were attached to tapered dowels that were driven into the violin head. Is that the case?Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 13, 2012 03:56 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 03:57 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 04:00 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 04:01 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 04:07 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 04:09 PM (nj1bB)
I thought it was funny but might have been an inside joke. If so, it would've made the smug even smugger, but it might also have been a fail as the unwashed masses viewed at face value.
Either way, I didn't think it was any sort of conservative "breakthrough" that warranted a bump. Opinions ... assholes, as the saying goes.
But I never advocated a boycott, so I hope you're not accusing me of nagging you for that.
Right now I'm more interested in ErikW's violin problem.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 13, 2012 04:16 PM (7+pP9)
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!
Robert Burns, "To a Louse"
Posted by: Bobby B. at January 13, 2012 04:16 PM (YkWae)
Posted by: ace at January 13, 2012 04:21 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: DailyDish at January 13, 2012 04:32 PM (Tl1mu)
"Dude, this is the worst case of Froma Harrop I've ever seen! Get some 2% cortizone cream on that and lay off the rich foods for a while."
Posted by: Percival at January 13, 2012 04:34 PM (njhPY)
Obama/Biden sticker on her car--check.
Posted by: befuddled at January 13, 2012 04:42 PM (xJU23)
Posted by: mcg at January 13, 2012 05:23 PM (YCfVb)
It's an incredibly delicate instrument. That's why tapping it or putting much pressure on it makes me nervous.
It's not a Stradivarius or anything but it's nice to me.
Posted by: ErikW
Take it down to "The Loft" in Clintonville. They specialize in violin repairs.
Really. Check it out in the Yellow Pages.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at January 13, 2012 06:05 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: cackfinger at January 13, 2012 06:53 PM (a9mQu)
@38: "...I want my daughters treated the same way as my sons."
Don't sweat it, Al. There are no sons, he's still gay as he ever was. and there will be no Barack Obama III.
Posted by: 66chevelle at January 13, 2012 06:59 PM (QjSgY)
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