April 22, 2012
— Gang of Gaming Morons! Greetings Team! My Name is Zakn and after much hue and cry by Moron(and Ette!) Nation, We are going to do some posting about a very important subject: Video Games.
Before I lose anyone I want to plug the Ace Of Spades HQ Steam group. If you make/have a better Av for it send it to me! More on Steam later
The other thing I would like to plug before we delve into things too deeply. Diablo 3 Open Beta starts this weekend! Now that the big headlines are out of the way, lets get down to brass tacks. There are many ways to get your Game on. Consoles, PCs, Handhelds (Feel free to include iOS devices here), and Tabletop. I primarily am a PC and Handheld Gamer, so that is what I'm going to focus on. I do not currently play any games competitively, but I did have a short-lived run doing what is called Highlander Play in Team Fortress 2.
Steam! I love love LOVE Steam. Steam, if you don't know, is a digital delivery service for games. It was created and is operated by Valve. Steam is also available for Macs! Check games for Mac Compatibility. There are other digital delivery systems. Origin for EA games and Good Old Games, notably.
Steam Sales. Steam has a Mission. It's Mission is to make you go broke buying games. They like to do this by doing sales. Pay attention to the store. Try and grab things like The Orange Box (Gets you Half Life 2 and the episodes, Portal 1, and Team Fortress 2), Portal 2, and Left For Dead 1 and 2, when they go on sale. Portal 2 was my 2011 Game of the Year until Skyrim came in and Crit stomped it. If we get enough people in the group with the right mix of games, I'll start setting up events. Another neat thing about Steam. It always has your purchases. If your hard drive pukes itself, You can re-download all of your purchased games! Steam is also rumored to have whats called a 10 foot interface coming out soon(tm). Skyrim looked great on the Xbox 360, but it was down right AMAZING if you played it on your TV with your PC. More about this in the future.
Now a word of warning to any Morons who play Eve and are Carebears:
Eve is an MMO for PC and Mac centered around Spaceships, Spreadsheets, and Nerds. It's not a terrible game. It's just different. It's what you call a Sandbox type game with old school Ultima Style PVP. That means that if you are not docked up, you are never in a truly risk free environment. Hulkageddon turns that dial to 11. It starts next weekend. Stay Frosty Bears, Even this Duder will be roaming through belts looking for people to WTFBBQ 
What the EveO forums are going to look like next week
Also, Since I saw so many comments in the thread on Friday about Eve= Moar Eve Content! Test put a new video up Test Vid Please Ignore Make sure and change the quality to 1080 and go full screen. As for the Musical Selection... It's Test, what do you want? I hope seeing that massive Cap Fleet has satiated your Eve needs. If you are hungry to actually start playing this "terrible" game post about it. Read alot. And I mean ALOT. The Horde will help you. Eve Centric forums, not so much.
I am not interested in leading a Moron Corp, so don't even ask. Since we are Anon here, we'd be Broski. 
(I am not in Test Or Goons, I just think that gif is awesome)
Next week I'm going to talk about the Nintendo 3DS. I bought one last week, and would like some more time with it. If ya'll would like to do a How to Build a cheap Gaming PC, we can do that. Post about it in the Breitbart area, and If there's huge demand for it, I'll do one.
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And, now for something completely different
Along with Zakn, my name is David and I am going to be another one of your hosts for this gaming extravaganza. I do some handheld and PC gaming (in fact, I am a long time game programmer doing iOS stuff at the moment), but I mostly do MMOs and console games these days. However, I am an old-school gamer who cut my teeth on Avalon Hill and SPI board games back in the 60s and 70s (not to mention still owning my original Dungeons and Dragons manuals).
In keeping with my status as a gaming fossil, it is fitting we should talk about SpaceWar!, which is arguably the first video game ever made. Programmed in 1961 on a PDP-1, the early 60's version of a personal computer (it only cost $125,000, and it was only the size of a sofa, so a professor on a research grant could have one for his own personal use...), the boffins at MIT put this together in a couple of months in early 1962. You can see the original code running on a Java emulator at SpaceWar! PDP-1 original code.
I have an interesting story about SpaceWar! There is a man named David Maynard who is a legend among game programmers. He was one of the original founders of Electronic Arts, and has been doing games almost as long as there have been commercial video games. He was also involved at Xerox Parc, where the mouse and windowed GUIs were born. He was describing working at Xerox, and how there all these incredible ideas just lying around on the network, open to anyone and everyone. Eventually these ideas would be worth trillions of dollars. There was also a copy of SpaceWars! that had been ported to the Xerox Parc workstations. Unfortunately, people kept modifying the code to give themselves an advantage over other players, so they eventually took the code off the network and distributed only binary versions of the game. I find it absolutely hilarious that there were umpteen billions of dollars in ideas lying out in plain sight, and they had to lock up the game code, else people would cheat.
Bringing up the almost rear
Gaming is a huge subject, so helping Zakn and David is me: SilverGTP. I will be writing about PC and Xbox 360 games as well as political and legislative issues. Like everything else, the left keeps trying to impose regulations on gaming. Want to help stop them? Join the Video Game Voters Network.
Latest news: "Oklahoma House Bill 2696 was defeated in the House Revenue and Tax Subcommittee on February 20. This legislation would have placed a 1% excise tax on the sale of "violent" video games. When asked to withdraw his tax proposal, Representative Will Fourkiller (D) attempted to create the Oklahoma Task Force on Video Games' Relationship to Obesity and Aggression. This proposal failed as well."
Task Force on Video Games' Relationship to Obesity and Aggression? Was the person responsible for naming things on vacation? Were they going to look into reports of aggressive fat people? I swear they're just making it up as they go. And an excise tax for violence? OK, then I expect a tax on New Black Panthers, OWS, and others.
Other news last week:
Lawsuit against Apple for 'bait apps' gets go-ahead - click through to at least see the word 'smurfberries' used in a news article.
A big shout out to my fellow clan members at 2old2play. If you're looking for folks to play with who aren't little kids (we call them Timmies), then 2old2play is for you. You must be over 25 to join, but maturity is not required.
Do you have an Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii? Here are two handy tools you may not be aware of:
PlayOn - tversity
Install either on a PC then access with your console to watch web content like Hulu, YouTube, and hundreds of other sources. Both will also play your own audio, video and image files from your PC. Both also support remote streaming so you can use your smart phone to stream content from your home PC.
Question of the Week: What's your most-anticipated game release of the year? Mine has to be Halo 4 which will be released November 6, so stage your own Red vs. Blue battle for the election.
Bringing up the rear
And then there's me, Lemmenkainen. I've been console gaming since the Atari 2600 and Colecovision days, and pen and paper roleplaying for 30 years. Current gaming is on XBOX 360 and PC.
I've actually been playing around with game development a bit. Maybe an MMO full of people roaming around eating dogs would sell. Multiverse is an open source development platform that allows you to build your own MMORPG.
Just finished up playing Deus Ex: Human Revolution on XBOX 360 (used, around $15), so figured I'd give a quick review.
DE:HR is a cyberpunk genre game developed by Eidos Montreal and published by Square Enix. It's set in the year 2027 and is a prequel to the original Deus Ex, which came out in 2000. The game explores ideas of how technology may move mankind away from what makes us human.
The game has a nice mix of stealth and combat based gameplay, so you can play it as a shooter or get your Silent Snake sneak on. There's also a hacking interface which is more fun then the standard hit the button and pick the lock gameplay you're used to. You level up by getting further augmentations that allow you to get better at existing skills, or gain new abilities, like being able to punch through weak walls, see through walls, and turn invisible briefly, to name a few. Weapons in the game are also upgradable.
The game graphics are beautiful, with a dark and gold theme for the outdoor scenes. Characters in the game dress in futuristic clothing that has a distinct Renaissance influence. Indoor art is ultracorporate high tech.
My playthrough took about 40 hours or so, which is decent for an RPG. I liked the game a lot. My only big complaints are the boss fights, which are pretty fixed encounters, unlike the rest of the game's flexibility.
My rating: 8/10.
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Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at April 22, 2012 09:20 AM (1iauC)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 22, 2012 09:23 AM (DGIjM)
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Umm. It doesn't *start* this weekend, it *is* this weekend. Which, given that it is now Sunday, means it's almost over.
Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2012 09:26 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 09:28 AM (zyaZ1)
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Yeah, I looked into Steam a while ago when they were giving away Portal. Yes, it runs on a Mac. But my particular Mac, a Mac Mini (aka an overpriced, underpowered laptop in small squarish case) isn't powerful enough to run Portal.
Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2012 09:28 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet[/i] at April 22, 2012 09:29 AM (UtoLw)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 22, 2012 09:30 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: kartoffel at April 22, 2012 09:31 AM (OgNv0)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 22, 2012 09:31 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 09:32 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: RoadRunner at April 22, 2012 09:32 AM (kxSLf)
Posted by: Mr Pink at April 22, 2012 09:32 AM (t4/5G)
What now?
Posted by: Cicero at April 22, 2012 09:33 AM (zMouK)
Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet[/i] at April 22, 2012 09:34 AM (UtoLw)
Too bad my box sucks and I can't afford a new one.
I got pretty good at Half-Life, even enough to hold my own online.
But Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 kill my box -- frame rate of about 16 per second!
I love FPS but pretty much gave it up after five or six years of the same games. I need a new box and new games for it.
I hear the new Duke Nukem sucks. Is that true? If so, too bad. It's what got me (and probably millions of others) hooked on FPS.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 22, 2012 09:35 AM (7+pP9)
Me and a guy from down the street made up all the local golf course we had played and after the internet came along we started hitting the famous courses. But by then the games had gone all "realistic graphic" and you could no longer design your own courses. .
Posted by: Vic at April 22, 2012 09:35 AM (YdQQY)
A good way to get your game on in an ultra-cheap way is Kongregate. All flash games for free. Some very good puzzle and strategy games. And some decent RPGs as well.
Posted by: Don't Eat My Dog, Bro at April 22, 2012 09:35 AM (R+6Q+)
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U R not alone. Still a favorite.
Recommended: ODST
Posted by: goy at April 22, 2012 09:35 AM (6bwIq)
Actually, I mis-spoke because I am a fan of rocket-propelled grenades also. I just don't get to play with them as much as I do my console games.
Posted by: RoadRunner at April 22, 2012 09:36 AM (kxSLf)
I'm still playing Halo PC. Ha!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 22, 2012 01:25 PM (UTq/I)
I hear ya. Every now and then I still get eaten by a grue.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 22, 2012 09:37 AM (7+pP9)
Atari 2600. (The wife's, from the 70s.)
2 NES.
2 SNES.
4 N64s (Don't know if they all work).
3 GameCube (some for parts).
2 Wiis (one needs a laser).
2 Original XBoxs (one needs a laser).
1 PSX (and a PS1), 3 PS2 (one needs a laser), 1 PS3.
4 Genesises (don't know how many work), 2 Dreamcasts (both work).
I collect these compulsively, mostly from thrift stores and garage sales. I'm every bit as entertained by a 1985 scroller as by a 2012 rendered FPS, so retro is pretty much my thing.
Right now I'm enjoying the completely open architecture of the Dreamcasts, and have started to think about networking the XBoxs and PS2s. And building a switcher box so I can have everything hooked up into one common television at once and not have to go changing plugs.
Posted by: nickless at April 22, 2012 09:39 AM (MMC8r)
I really should go download Ur-Quan Masters on this machine . . .
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 22, 2012 09:39 AM (QTHTd)
What now?
Try to walk right An through a window.
Any luck?
No. Didn't work for me either.
Posted by: Baracka Obama at April 22, 2012 09:39 AM (PdLCG)
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 09:40 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: goy at April 22, 2012 09:41 AM (6bwIq)
Posted by: Paul Morphy at April 22, 2012 09:41 AM (BB0/w)
Is it a particular make and model you can specify? There may be upgrades available but it's hard to say without that info.
The age is a huge factor. Past a certain age, a very cheap new machine will make far more sense than renovating an old system. The improvement to integrated graphics in recent times makes a huge difference for gaming.
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 09:42 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: NJRob at April 22, 2012 09:43 AM (FVp26)
Posted by: 144 at April 22, 2012 09:43 AM (J+cx7)
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A lot of it depends on what you want to play. I occasionally play WoW on my anemic HP Mini 210 netbook, but all I really do in WoW is mindlessly slaughter skinnables as a bit of evening relaxation anyway, so I'm not terribly demanding.
My main WoW machine is my Mac Mini. It's got old Intel 915(?) integrated graphics; your firebreather of an ATI 3100 would be a step up for me.
Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2012 09:43 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet[/i] at April 22, 2012 09:44 AM (UtoLw)
Posted by: NJRob at April 22, 2012 09:44 AM (FVp26)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 22, 2012 09:44 AM (Why44)
Posted by: Brad at April 22, 2012 09:45 AM (zTZGo)
I don't know, never heard of that before, is there someplace where i could look and see?
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 09:46 AM (HI6wa)
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If so, and you'd prefer to use a mouse/keyboard, I've used the XIM3 for some time now and highly recommend it.
And yes - Halo 4 is one of the few upcoming releases on my dwindling wish list. I just hope it doesn't suffer the same Game Designer Brain Death some other franchise titles have exhibited (e.g., CoD, MoH).
Posted by: goy at April 22, 2012 09:46 AM (6bwIq)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 22, 2012 09:47 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: pilot141 at April 22, 2012 09:49 AM (k8GAe)
I hated this game. I don't have the patience for stealth. This is more my style
http://tinyurl.com/6qojj3p
You have to wait until 1:26 for the funny part.
Posted by: ryukyu at April 22, 2012 09:49 AM (MOHSR)
Legally they can't call it "Star Control" as that is a trademark of Activision, but the rest of the game is legal:
http://sc2.sourceforge.net/
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 22, 2012 09:49 AM (QTHTd)
Anybody remember the pre-ubiquitous PC mall arcade tank battle game?
It was really crude by today's standards but was fun as hell in the early 1980s. Everything was green wire mesh. You could hide behind blocks and pyramids. Killing other tanks was a bit of a challenge but the missiles were a bitch.
The military actually modded it up as a tank trainer. I wasted many quarters on it during my lean college years.
Anybody remember the name of it?
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 22, 2012 09:50 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: cheddar biscuits at April 22, 2012 09:52 AM (BBlzg)
My main WoW machine is my Mac Mini.
I was actually thinking about getting a Mac Mini, not for gaming, just to use as an add on to a home entertainment center.
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 09:52 AM (HI6wa)
Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
Steel Panthers MBT (WinSPMBT) (free download available).
Posted by: badanov at April 22, 2012 09:56 AM (PwESf)
You can start from http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/ and go to other games from there. I started playing Oblivion 3 years after it had been released, and by then the mod community had completely revamped the gameplay, graphics, weapons, and magic system.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 22, 2012 09:56 AM (Why44)
Posted by: DeusExMachina at April 22, 2012 10:00 AM (6RTwM)
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Battle Zone. I loved that game.
Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2012 10:01 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: Baraka "Dick" Obama at April 22, 2012 10:03 AM (WUWb9)
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Mine's a few years old. I keep failing to convince myself to buy a newer one; I'm concerned about the direction MacOS seems to be moving (I'm not interested in the Mac as an iOS applicance; I needs my terminal windowses). Newer Minis have more horsepower both in the CPU and GPU than mine.
When I finally decide I'd better get a new Mini while the getting's good, this one will end up attached to my TV.
Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2012 10:04 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at April 22, 2012 10:04 AM (vYJuY)
Posted by: Barky O'McFuckstick at April 22, 2012 10:05 AM (JKwtW)
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 22, 2012 10:06 AM (FIDMq)
No mention of Scrabble, Yahtzee, Qwerty, Dominoes, Battleship, Mahjong, or Monopoly.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 10:06 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 02:06 PM (piMMO)
I fully expected a 'get off my lawn!'
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 22, 2012 10:08 AM (FIDMq)
BattleZone.
A Classic.
Posted by: nickless at April 22, 2012 01:51 PM (MMC8r)
Thanks. You can play it here:
http://atari.com/arcade/arcade/battlezone
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 22, 2012 10:12 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: cheddar biscuits at April 22, 2012 10:12 AM (BBlzg)
I finished Mass Effect this morning at around 1am. I'll tackle ME2 after I finish God of War: Chains of Olympus--while I'll have to restart from the beginning due to the lapse in play and my complete loss of special movement memory...
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at April 22, 2012 10:13 AM (0d0K7)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 22, 2012 10:13 AM (xKC/c)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at April 22, 2012 10:14 AM (dptRY)
Other classic Atari games (remember Lunar Lander?) can be found here:
http://atari.com/arcade/all/atari-com?game=battlezone
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 22, 2012 10:15 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 22, 2012 10:15 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 10:16 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: cheddar biscuits at April 22, 2012 02:12 PM (BBlzg)
Not sure on the resolution...but fps were probably in the 30's, not laggy at all...always fun counter sniping the dsl and cable users
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 22, 2012 10:16 AM (FIDMq)
Late 80s-early 90s maybe. It might have been Mac only, but it was a blast. We would get drunk, play the game and watch crap movies.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 22, 2012 10:17 AM (nEUpB)
http://www.pogo.com/
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 10:20 AM (piMMO)
I used to love the early PC game cannonball, but as soon as CPUs got over about 50 Hz it didn't work too well.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 22, 2012 10:20 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: nickless at April 22, 2012 10:22 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: DarkFlounder at April 22, 2012 10:22 AM (uYuy5)
Posted by: mostly MMORPG's, now at April 22, 2012 10:22 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: blue star at April 22, 2012 10:25 AM (wPV9+)
Oh, that product line. I've pulled a lot of those out of banks in one of my contract jobs. Not that exact model, as you'll almost never find anything with an AMD CPU in a bank or other big corporate buyer who deals in hundreds of thousands of seats.
On the one hand, it has a real PCI-e x16 slot but no power to speak of to drive it. Doing anything about the power supply that won't be really ugly is very difficult. If it were really important it wouldn't be hard to hack an external power supply but as mentioned, ugly. Far easier just to get a more recent box.
The question is what makes more sense for you economically. If you're inclined to do your own building you can start off bare bones and build up as the funds are available. Otherwise, it can make sense to get a complete new box for cheap that is a worthy upgrade but not a huge one. Then plan to upgrade that frequently, say, on an annual basis.
You'll always trail what the hotrods offer by several years but the sheer number of great games that are ancient by today's hardware standards is enough to keep anyone busy at a very low cost. GOG is great for that.
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 10:26 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: mostly MMORPG's, now at April 22, 2012 10:26 AM (HOOye)
Oh, this thread is for computer games?
Finally, a thread where we can have a frank discussion about the almost-theft of Games Workshop's Warhammer universe by Blizzard and the lack of recognition the former gets.
A lot of Blizzard fans here?
Finally, a thread where we can have a frank discussion about whether Diablo III will be worth the wait or should they have put out a III and IV by now, and the role of the WOW cash cow in the delay.
Everyone's just excited to be able to finally play it?
Sigh, Doritos vs. Cheetos.
Posted by: Typical hard core RPG'er at April 22, 2012 10:26 AM (YxaXw)
Norwegian Mass Murderer Spent a Year ‘Training’ With World of Warcraft
Not Call of Duty or anything like that (actual gun-using combat), but the medieval fantasy role-playing game. Sure.
Posted by: nickless at April 22, 2012 10:28 AM (MMC8r)
I don't think I'll be getting any more games requiring Steam.
Posted by: Empire1 at April 22, 2012 10:28 AM (9KOAV)
Tea Party = "Rein of terror"
David Axelrod has advice for Republicans: Be more like Democrats.
http://tinyurl.com/83euwnc
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 10:28 AM (FifrY)
I do like it when you all talk about the games you play. I'll probably just lurk in threads like this and not comment, since I'd have even less to add to the discussion than I usually do.
Have fun, 'rons and 'ettes!
Posted by: Theresa at April 22, 2012 10:28 AM (Cf5RM)
Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at April 22, 2012 10:30 AM (X8/ER)
Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at April 22, 2012 10:31 AM (dAb14)
Here she shows you. And she shows how big of a liar she is.
Warren says we've reduced "investing," a.k.a. spending, in the last 30 years, and that's bad for GDP.
Warren is a fucking idiot who has no idea what she's saying, but she knows how to lie.
http://tinyurl.com/7wafw9h
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 10:31 AM (FifrY)
Anyone wants to talk Mah-jongg, I'll be happy to.
Posted by: Empire1 at April 22, 2012 10:32 AM (9KOAV)
Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet[/i] at April 22, 2012 10:32 AM (UtoLw)
*****
I just got my 11 year badge. It, like AOS, it a total time killer but helps me to relax.
I was thinking that if anyone wanted to play around over there, we could set up a private room.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 10:33 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 10:34 AM (zyaZ1)
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The only thing I know about Mah-jongg is that it's really complicated. And the tiles are pretty. I guess that's two things.
Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2012 10:35 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: jjmurphy at April 22, 2012 10:39 AM (xjEAl)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Mobile at April 22, 2012 10:39 AM (m4MHI)
My mother is a big US Mah Jongg player. I'd love to get her a computer version to practice with but all I've ever found is Asian versions that are baffling to her. Or solitaire games that call themselves Mah Jongg because Activision owns the name Shanghai for computer and video games. (The original on Mac was drawn and coded entirely by mouth. The creator is a quadriplegic.)
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 10:41 AM (kcfmt)
I play Scrabble on POGO - against robots.
I'm a dinosaur - I started working on computers when they were using punchcards; Radio Shack's TRS-80 was state-of-the-art when we left college....
Video Games are my kids' province.....
Get off my lawn before I have to get out of my rocker and beat you with my cane!
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 22, 2012 10:41 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 22, 2012 10:42 AM (eCnLg)
Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at April 22, 2012 10:42 AM (X8/ER)
Love to, but every time I try, I get an error message that I don't have a connection. Do I have to be connected to work off-line? That kind of handicaps me, since I don't have a permanent internet connection, and just getting through can sometimes be iffy.
Posted by: Empire1 at April 22, 2012 10:43 AM (9KOAV)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 22, 2012 10:43 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: mostly MMORPG's, now at April 22, 2012 10:43 AM (HOOye)
Yeah, i figured a Mac Mini would be a better investment overall and i'd get more use out of it than a blu-ray player that just had some apps.
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 10:44 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 22, 2012 10:44 AM (eCnLg)
Thanks, yeah i thought i got about getting an external supply but figured it really wasn't worth it for this system.
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 10:45 AM (HI6wa)
Posted by: Psycotte at April 22, 2012 10:46 AM (pOr8u)
Valve fucked up so bad when HL2 released, they added that mode. I remember just raging because I could not play a game because THEIR auth servers died.
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 10:46 AM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 10:48 AM (zyaZ1)
These people are so fucking delusional.... and that's not the half of it.
http://bit.ly/IcdLiV
I say we should revoke their effing passports.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 10:48 AM (piMMO)
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Don't suppose you ever played Android Nim? I think that was the first game I played that had graphics. 'Course, it was those big 3x2 TRS-80 character cells, but still...
Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2012 10:49 AM (6fER6)
I don't due gaming - I can only take 5-10 min of angry birds even. Although I've gotten kinda into the Lego Star wars games.
The Mr on the other hand is a big gaming geek. Gen Con participation nearly every year for 20+ years, Battletech, Red Dawn, etc... PC/Consule games: Aces High, Nobanoga's Ambition, HOI. He's lost whole parts of his life tp some of those games.
Posted by: thekatzemeow at April 22, 2012 10:50 AM (zAKYB)
Posted by: mostly MMORPG's, now at April 22, 2012 10:52 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Baraka "Dick" Obama at April 22, 2012 10:52 AM (WUWb9)
The only American Mah-jongg on line is through the National Mah Jongg League (prefix with the triple-w-dot, run the words together, and add dot-org to get their website. Last I looked, you have to belong to the League to get the yearly card ($7), and the on-line game is $40/year.
No, the tile-matching games using that name are not real Mah-jongg!
Posted by: Empire1 at April 22, 2012 10:52 AM (9KOAV)
Posted by: BK at April 22, 2012 10:52 AM (P73hq)
A gaming thread wouldn't be complete with QBASIC Gorillas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDc3ZEKl-Wc
Posted by: sTevo at April 22, 2012 10:53 AM (VMcEw)
re: college faculty going to Iran
1. It proves that Occupy is a subversive movement against the United States. Why else would they be in league with our foreign enemies? Since when did Iran give a shit about "fairness?"
2. It shows ho all that equality talk on campus is total horseshit. These are the same people who riot if Ann Coulter shows up on campus, but put on head-scarfs when they visit a country who stones queers.
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 10:56 AM (FifrY)
Posted by: mostly MMORPG's, now at April 22, 2012 10:57 AM (HOOye)
I s/have mentioned, my More DoT's link is rated R.
vulgar stuffies... so beware'ish
Posted by: mostly MMORPG's, now at April 22, 2012 02:57 PM (HOOye
*gasp!*
Posted by: sensitive, easily offended, Moron Horde at April 22, 2012 10:59 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 11:00 AM (/5A+N)
On the casual gaming front, Angry Birds Space makes me feel even stupider than Angry Birds did and that's saying something.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at April 22, 2012 11:01 AM (Gk3SS)
1. It proves that Occupy is a subversive movement against the United States. Why else would they be in league with our foreign enemies? Since when did Iran give a shit about "fairness?"
2. It shows ho all that equality talk on campus is total horseshit. These are the same people who riot if Ann Coulter shows up on campus, but put on head-scarfs when they visit a country who stones queers.
*****
They are free to assemble anywhere in this country....anywhere in the world...and they chose I-friggin-RAN! To discuss freedom and their ability to impact an election?!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 11:01 AM (piMMO)
my watch's battery died.
Instead of taking it to a jeweler, I decided to buy the tool to remove the case-back off ebay -- $7.90 delivered.
Can't find the battery at a store, so I just ordered two batteries for $1.99 including shipping.
Some stuff is cheap cheap.
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 11:02 AM (FifrY)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 22, 2012 11:02 AM (ybkwK)
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 22, 2012 11:07 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2012 11:07 AM (UOM48)
I mostly play FPS on the 360. My home has 4 360's and a PS3, so I can play most of the console games that come out. I never got into pc gaming. I got into COD around 7 years ago and started playing with GeezerGamers, but recently moved to XMG. Both of them are websites for mature gamers much like 2old2play. I'm probably slightly above average in skill. I normally have lower numbers, but my kdr is usually above 1.5. My best game was 28-0 in TDM.
My biggest gaming accomplishment was being banned from the PS3 network after approximately 10 hours of play. I didn't realize it was possible to get banned, especially since I didn't use a microphone, send any messages or do anything douchey. I came in first or second on every game of COD4 during that time starting at level 1. I guess some people thought I was cheating since I was new on PS3. I did have around 30 days of play on the 360 though.
Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at April 22, 2012 11:10 AM (eHwT1)
Pretty sure it was the original SubLogic Flight Simulator, for either TRS-80 or the Atari 800.
Posted by: goy at April 22, 2012 11:13 AM (6bwIq)
Did I say I was an out of control gaming asshole?
Posted by: Berserker at April 22, 2012 11:13 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Retired Geezer at April 22, 2012 11:16 AM (oG3T8)
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 22, 2012 11:16 AM (KNvk+)
there are so many other things to waste time on i never get to "games"...
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 22, 2012 11:16 AM (8MasJ)
Posted by: soulpile is... expendable at April 22, 2012 11:18 AM (NJpM7)
Empire1 what I remember was that you had to be online with it, then put it into offline mode.
Valve fucked up so bad when HL2 released, they added that mode. I remember just raging because I could not play a game because THEIR auth servers died.
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 02:46 PM (zyaZ1)
Yep -- even the HL1 defaults to go online. They ask you if you really, really want to play offline. WTF? I bought the fucking game and I want to play it without being nagged.
And this shit about needing to have the HL2 disk in to even play the game (seven years after it's release) is for the fucking birds.
Steam has its good points -- it kills code kiddies who mod games in their favor -- but it can be a royal PIA.
I loved shooting the flyers out of the sky with my crossbow but then everybody else tried to kill me. It was worth it, though.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 22, 2012 11:18 AM (7+pP9)
Tinyurl.com/hobocage
Posted by: Wooga at April 22, 2012 11:20 AM (IhzyJ)
The last game I played was Skyrim on the 360.
Posted by: Alex at April 22, 2012 11:22 AM (jdZlf)
First pc game I bought? Tomb Raider. Or Pickle Wars Trilogy. Might have been at the same time. At least, I picked them out, but I think they count.
Posted by: soulpile is... expendable at April 22, 2012 11:22 AM (NJpM7)
The last game I played was Skyrim on the 360.
Posted by: Alex at April 22, 2012 03:22 PM (jdZlf)
Had F-19 too....my first 'flight simulator'
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 22, 2012 11:24 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at April 22, 2012 03:01 PM (Gk3SS)
Ohhh yeahhh. Who's my bitch?
Posted by: The Concept of Gravity at April 22, 2012 11:24 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Berserker at April 22, 2012 11:27 AM (FMbng)
Subject: Send John Boehner a mutant shrimp picture
[redacted], please sign the picture of a mutant Gulf Coast shrimp we are sending to John Boehner, along with a petition telling him to pass legislation mandating that fines paid by BP go toward the clean up and restoration of the Gulf Coast. Click here to sign the picture and the petition.
Two years after the BP oil spill, Gulf Coast fishermen are finding huge amounts of mutated seafood. The devastation this is causing to local fisheries is just one of the many ways Gulf Coast communities are struggling to recover from the spill.
To help out, last month the U.S. Senate passed legislation mandating that 80 percent of all court-ordered fines paid by BP go toward Gulf Coast clean up and restoration. The legislation, known as the RESTORE Act, passed with the support of all Democrats and a majority of Republicans.
However, the RESTORE Act has stalled in the House. While it would easily pass if a vote was held, Speaker John Boehner has not yet held one.
Push him along. Please, add your name to the picture and petition we are sending John Boehner, telling him that fines paid by BP should go toward the clean up and restoration of the Gulf Coast.
Keep fighting,
Chris Cocksucker Bowers, Daily Kos
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 11:27 AM (FifrY)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 11:27 AM (jaTaa)
I wasted this afternoon playing an impulse buy off Xbox live called Diabolical Pitch. The gist of it is you stand on mound and hurl fastballs to bean demonic carnival beasts on the head. You're a washed up major league pitcher who makes a Faustian bargain with a man in a cow-head mask to heal his pitching arm on exchange for running a gauntlet set in a ghoulish theme park. Yeah. It corny, retarded fun. And you actually have to aim your pitches with Kinect so things get wild, fast.
Posted by: tad blatherton at April 22, 2012 11:28 AM (HueOF)
Remember episode of The Simpsons when they discovered the 3-eyed fish and realized that the nuclear power plant was mutating the fish?
Kos and the Left are getting their ideas from cartoons.
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 11:30 AM (FifrY)
Posted by: Pre at April 22, 2012 11:30 AM (8LCi0)
Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2012 11:30 AM (5HAgy)
*****
The Mississippi has been putting out 2 headed frogs for years. I guess they've forgotten about that.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 11:31 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: mostly MMORPG's, now at April 22, 2012 11:32 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 11:33 AM (/5A+N)
Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at April 22, 2012 11:35 AM (5Q9pE)
Two ways, Thomas.
1. Scientific consensus.
2. shut up, that's why.
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 11:36 AM (FifrY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at April 22, 2012 11:37 AM (GwNiH)
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 11:37 AM (HI6wa)
I've currently got my Kerbonauts in an orbit that goes past the Mun, but I don't think I have enough fuel left to bring them home.
Posted by: Anachronda at April 22, 2012 11:37 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 11:38 AM (HI6wa)
A young true moron considers it a win to "accidentally" come in ho's mouth before "accidentally" doinking her squeakhole and "forgetting" to pay her.
I know this game. It's called Secret Service Goes to Colombia.
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 11:38 AM (FifrY)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 11:39 AM (/5A+N)
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 11:39 AM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 11:40 AM (/5A+N)
>>My mother is a big US Mah Jongg player. I'd love to get her a computer version to practice with but all I've ever found is Asian versions that are baffling to her. Or solitaire games that call themselves Mah Jongg because Activision owns the name Shanghai for computer and video games.
I've played a few on zone. MSN. com. I like the Dark Dimensions one a lot. Not exactly traditional, though.
We need not discuss how many times I've played it...
Posted by: Mama AJ at April 22, 2012 11:40 AM (XdlcF)
Soothie...nobody gives a shit about fisherman.
Posted by: Gamer at April 22, 2012 11:41 AM (KeCfz)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 11:41 AM (jaTaa)
started working on computers when they were using punchcards; Radio
Shack's TRS-80 was state-of-the-art when we left college....
You are yet a young one, I am a true dinosaur! The Trash-80 did not come out until I was 10 years out of college!
Early 90's I did kill many hours and brain cells with F15E: Strike Eagle, even had the custom joystick just like the real bird!
Posted by: OldDog at April 22, 2012 11:42 AM (tQYJH)
We're still here in 0.0 (Syndicate-TXW-E) doing our thing.Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 11:43 AM (jaTaa)
That is easily remedied.
Stop being homo and buy a PC.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 22, 2012 11:43 AM (ebPtk)
Posted by: CoolCzech at April 22, 2012 11:43 AM (GwNiH)
Posted by: Gamer at April 22, 2012 11:44 AM (KeCfz)
Posted by: Wooga at April 22, 2012 11:44 AM (IhzyJ)
Posted by: John at April 22, 2012 11:45 AM (tdTW2)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 11:45 AM (/5A+N)
+1
I had (still have) rudder pedals.
Posted by: goy at April 22, 2012 11:47 AM (6bwIq)
Posted by: Wooga at April 22, 2012 11:47 AM (IhzyJ)
Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at April 22, 2012 11:47 AM (5Q9pE)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 22, 2012 11:48 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Truman North at April 22, 2012 11:48 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 11:49 AM (jaTaa)
Posted by: Gamer at April 22, 2012 11:50 AM (KeCfz)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 03:39 PM (/5A+N)
I'm in same boat, though I haven't downloaded the DA2 DLC yet. Hopefully they don't blow then ending in DA3 like they did with Mass Effect, where the last 10 minutes craps all over the previous 120 hours or so. I do like the multiplayer for MS3, though, since I'm a sucker for horde mode and I think the system it uses for getting new weapons and equipment is interesting.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at April 22, 2012 11:50 AM (ZmGyD)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 22, 2012 11:51 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 11:51 AM (/5A+N)
I agree John. Video game journalism is overtaken by liberals.Even most gamers are Obama supporters these days.
Well..most gamers dont make too much money and rely on handouts from govt and family.
Posted by: Gamer at April 22, 2012 11:51 AM (KeCfz)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 11:54 AM (/5A+N)
Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at April 22, 2012 11:57 AM (5Q9pE)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 22, 2012 11:57 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 22, 2012 11:57 AM (SB0V2)
Nowadays stick to RPG's like Skyrim and Mass Effect. Looking forward to tackling the recent Batman game and Deus Ex. Have never played WoW or anything like it, videos I've seen have looked pretty lame.
Posted by: waelse1 at April 22, 2012 11:58 AM (VaU8E)
Posted by: too far? at April 22, 2012 11:59 AM (HEatA)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 22, 2012 11:59 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 22, 2012 11:59 AM (SsG4J)
After upgrading to a video7 EGA card started playing Leisure Suit Larry.
Posted by: Vic at April 22, 2012 12:00 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 22, 2012 12:00 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Wooga at April 22, 2012 12:00 PM (IhzyJ)
+1
I had (still have) rudder pedals.Posted by: goy at April 22, 2012 03:47 PM (6bwIq)
Never went the pedal rout and I had the old Joystick that wedged in the keyboard input. Fer some reason that don't work to well with my wireless keyboard. /
Posted by: OldDog at April 22, 2012 12:01 PM (tQYJH)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 22, 2012 12:03 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 12:03 PM (/5A+N)
I have skid stains older than that.
Did someone say "Diplomacy"?
Posted by: fluffy at April 22, 2012 12:04 PM (z9HTb)
The spin is stupefying:
Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer (D) says that the fact that Mitt RomneyÂ’s father was the son of a polygamist may cause voters to question his suitability to be president.
“It’s my impression that polygamy might not be too popular with women voters,” Schweitzer mused. “Do they really want to put a man who’s only two generations removed from that abhorrent practice in the White House?”
Schweitzer dismissed the fact that President Barack Obama, Jr’s namesake—Barack Obama, Sr.—was also the son of a polygamist, calling it “irrelevant.” “Look, Obama’s father isn’t known for certain,” Schweitzer argued. “No one’s seen a genuine birth certificate. So, there’s no proof that the Obama from Kenya, after whom he’s named, is his actual father. And even if he is, he was the product of a much more primitive culture. So, it would be unfair to hold President Obama to the same standards we might apply to his opponents.”
Posted by: Jimmah at April 22, 2012 12:04 PM (UpwlP)
Posted by: Pre at April 22, 2012 12:05 PM (8LCi0)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:05 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 22, 2012 12:06 PM (R5yLq)
Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at April 22, 2012 12:08 PM (5Q9pE)
If the Sox lose tonight -- get swept at home by the Yanks -- tomorrow will be a great day.
Why?
Sports talk radio. The homers up here freak out when the Sox lose.
They will be demanding Bobby V's head on spike.
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 12:10 PM (FifrY)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 12:10 PM (/5A+N)
Posted by: Berserker at April 22, 2012 12:10 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: JimmyT at April 22, 2012 12:11 PM (blYjC)
Is that a real quote, Jimmah?
That man is either a dunce or a secret op for Romney.
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Most definitely:
Posted by: Jimmah at April 22, 2012 12:12 PM (UpwlP)
The racism in that quote by Democrat Gov Schweitzer is like a slap in the face it's so blatant.
More, please!
Posted by: soothie at April 22, 2012 12:14 PM (FifrY)
Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience at April 22, 2012 12:14 PM (eHBHk)
yeah that was a shitload of fun. I really liked oblivion and skyrim, they are epic, but there was something special about morrowind. That tribunal expansion was great.
Posted by: Berserker at April 22, 2012 12:14 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:15 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:17 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 12:18 PM (/5A+N)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:19 PM (bxiXv)
I'm not sure how well it will go, but it's going to be epic.
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 12:20 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: Vic at April 22, 2012 12:21 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:21 PM (bxiXv)
I'm going to be on the road!
I will need much video.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 22, 2012 12:21 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Berserker at April 22, 2012 12:21 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 12:23 PM (jaTaa)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 12:24 PM (/5A+N)
It was a damned expensive game too.
Posted by: Vic at April 22, 2012 12:24 PM (YdQQY)
Every single experience is like Occupy Wall Street with weapons.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 04:17 PM (bxiXv)
I suppose, but the Goons are gonna need ships and ammo and guns...and people are going to need to replace the ships and equipment the Goons blast. Someone is going to have to sell those items, and I see no reason why I cannot be one of them! I see it as a great capitalist opportunity for industrialist like me! Plus ninja salvaging all the yummy wrecks! And piggyback kills on CONCORD police actions!
Jita on the 28th is gonna be awesome!
Posted by: JimmyT at April 22, 2012 12:25 PM (blYjC)
Do you smell node crash? Cause thats what I smell.
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 12:25 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 12:27 PM (jaTaa)
Posted by: dagny at April 22, 2012 04:03 PM (4yXmp
dagny, are you still here? Do you ever go to Ree Drummond's Pioneer Woman blog? I just went there and am starving after reading some of her recipes. Her photography is also amazing, and she's got some fun jewelry, too.
One of these days, perhaps we'll get a Sunday afternoon recipe/fashion thread.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 22, 2012 12:27 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 12:29 PM (/5A+N)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 12:31 PM (jaTaa)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:32 PM (bxiXv)
What's the penalty for that?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 12:33 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 12:33 PM (jaTaa)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 12:34 PM (/5A+N)
-----------
Hehe. I just made a pizza tonight. Here's the dough recipe I like the best! It's actually focaccia from an old Frugal Gourmet book.
I just dump this in my bread machine (which has a Pizza Dough setting; 45mins) in this order. I bake the pizza on a pizza stone:
1 packet of yeast
1 cup tepid water (90degrees)
1T sugar
2T olive oil
1/4C canola oil
1/2t salt
2 3/4 c all purpose unbleached flour
Pizza = great gaming food!
Posted by: mostly MMORPG's, now at April 22, 2012 12:36 PM (HOOye)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:37 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2012 04:33 PM (piMMO)
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All game violation penalties are horrendous. I have heard of cases in GA where someone lost their boat, trailer, truck, and everything in it when caught illegally fishing with a net. And that was in addition to the fines.
Posted by: Vic at April 22, 2012 12:37 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 12:37 PM (/5A+N)
Death.
(unless he joins the NBPP, then nothing)
Posted by: Eric Holder at April 22, 2012 12:40 PM (PdLCG)
True, but right now, I am selling Tornados as fast as I can build them in Jita! And they are selling pretty quick.
Posted by: JimmyT at April 22, 2012 12:40 PM (blYjC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:40 PM (bxiXv)
Nappy time.
P.S. -- If you want to read the best story Vonnegut ever wrote (I generally loathe him) click on my name link.
It's short and eerily prescient.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at April 22, 2012 12:41 PM (7+pP9)
Oh, and RAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!
Posted by: Eric Holder at April 22, 2012 12:41 PM (PdLCG)
Posted by: Baraka at April 22, 2012 12:43 PM (WUWb9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:45 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 12:45 PM (jaTaa)
Cons - weird lag that results in quick death while all action is frozen on-screen. Big no. Trying a fix now.
Pros - ? It's like DII?
The witch doctor is so offensively stereotypical, I wonder if there have been any complaints. Not sure if I like her or not.
Also, I've been spoiled and want more customization of my characters.
Posted by: soulpile is... expendable at April 22, 2012 12:46 PM (NJpM7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:46 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: V5 at April 22, 2012 12:48 PM (jaTaa)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:50 PM (bxiXv)
I can just imagine the 'Please Stop Helping' messages flooding into the Governor's office.
Does this guy realize what he's said?
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 12:50 PM (kcfmt)
It's just become apparent that unless the reviewers aren't tied in with the industry, as almost all of them are, the reviews are useless.
I only look at detailed user reviews, and even they often make no sense.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 04:21 PM (bxiXv)
I would have loved to have been at the PAX East Xplay panel. And to get to ask a question. I would have asked Adam Sessler how good the hookers were that EA supplied to him in order to get him to suck their dicks with his review and defense of the Mass Effect 3 ending.
Posted by: The Concept of Gravity at April 22, 2012 12:51 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 12:55 PM (bxiXv)
A D3 beta player was asked for a review.
Said, "One sentence review: "It's good, but why did it take so long for this D2 expansion pack to come out?""
Obviously not an actual in-depth review, but a minor LOL.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 04:50 PM (bxiXv)
Pretty accurate, if my recollection of D2 is correct.
Posted by: soulpile is... expendable at April 22, 2012 12:56 PM (NJpM7)
Posted by: Ironmonger69 at April 22, 2012 12:57 PM (lVxcF)
I am kind of in awe at how much power someone must have had to fire all of the PR people and replace them with howler monkeys.
Also at the falling stock prices.
The real question we will probably never have an answer to: why?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 04:55 PM (bxiXv)
I'd have walked out.
Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2012 12:58 PM (GULKT)
whoa, the gaming thread exists!!!
when do we get to make fun of the consule dweebs?
by the way, my steam name is navycopjoe (go figure)
i'll be playing cod 3 in a little while if anyone need co-op stars
oh and
ALIENWARE MOFOs!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe crying because da cubbies suck as usual at April 22, 2012 01:00 PM (aeve0)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 01:01 PM (bxiXv)
fools-errand.com/
You can see all of Cliff Johnson's games there, including the sequel to Fool's Errand.
A big problem with putting Fool's Errand on anything but the early Mac it ran on is that the ultimate puzzle is based on a bug in the early versions of the Mac ROM. They had to essentially replicate the Mac environment to port it to other platforms. On something touch oriented it would need to change a fair bit.
One of Cliff's later games was done for my then employer, Cinemaware. We got in touch with him after Fool's Errand became known as the Mac Flu. Somebody would start playing the game after hours, and realize it was like 3 in the morning when they finally gave up for the night, knowing they would call in sick the next day. Cliff did the game entirely with public domain clip art after teaching himself PASCAL.
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 01:03 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Thomas at April 22, 2012 01:06 PM (/5A+N)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 01:09 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Kevin at April 22, 2012 01:15 PM (oa10y)
It's like hearing a tapeworm complain about the way human behavior affects him.
It's all about the numbers. If PC game sales are a small fraction of console sales, the developers are going to do whatever they can to reduce the cost of ports. The alternative is dropping PC support entirely for many types of games.
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 01:27 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: And Irresolute at April 22, 2012 01:31 PM (RC3M9)
312 i agree but then us pc'ers will cry that we don't get the good games
also the difference is price in a way
how many people are willing to drop a small fortune for a top shelf system?
then again i have a M17r2 (soon to be r4) and a clevo 3d
Posted by: navycopjoe crying because da cubbies suck as usual at April 22, 2012 01:31 PM (aeve0)
313 and while im at it, the new duke nukem sucked
seriously
wtf, i waited all that time for that level of suck?
Posted by: navycopjoe crying because da cubbies suck as usual at April 22, 2012 01:32 PM (aeve0)
#310
Witcher 2 - the pride and joy of Poland. I heard their leader brought the Witcher games to Obama when he visited the US.
Posted by: bahabuddha at April 22, 2012 01:33 PM (1OZ/I)
You can find me on there as Secret Squirrel, if any of the moron horde happen to see me, feel free to drop me a line!
Posted by: Old School HQ Gamer and Longtime Lurker at April 22, 2012 01:34 PM (kMuGy)
Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2012 01:34 PM (GULKT)
318 i would have guessed quake
oh, my first game played? leisure suit larry the lounge lizard...on the 1988 med cruise on the forrestal
good times
Posted by: navycopjoe crying because da cubbies suck as usual at April 22, 2012 01:37 PM (aeve0)
After almost 14 years it was pretty much guaranteed. What could they have possibly been sitting on all this time that would have justified the delays. I think the only reason they finally cobble something together and shipped it was death threats. Otherwise they could have kept gathering Vaporware Awards forever, until they retired the title to some lifetime achievement status.
How many other games can claim to have won multiple awards years before shipping?
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 01:39 PM (kcfmt)
i like to play MULE, by EA. the little boats go around, we bid on stuff, the music plays, but this is all so modern and big... did i use the word intimidating already today ...
Posted by: And Irresolute at April 22, 2012 01:48 PM (RC3M9)
Posted by: And Irresolute at April 22, 2012 01:51 PM (RC3M9)
I haven't been able to find a 300w for it and i'm guessing even if i did the cost wouldn't be worth it, they do list this card as being compatible with this model, but it doesn't seem like it would be much of an improvement, if any, over the integrated - http://www.ebay.com/ctg/73850519?_imid=140710629006#
Posted by: booger at April 22, 2012 01:56 PM (HI6wa)
Posted by: And Irresolute at April 22, 2012 02:00 PM (RC3M9)
My last achievement was a domination victory on Immortal. Quite a cool game, since I had to take out one of my main rivals to get aluminum.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 22, 2012 02:17 PM (Why44)
Posted by: Tonawanda at April 22, 2012 02:25 PM (iuHbc)
I stopped playing games on the computer about five years ago. I'm still hostile about it. Buying games, and then finding out the hard way that they weren't compatible with my hardware (despite meeting all the criteria under system requirements posted on the box) really torqued me off. And of course, returning opened software is nigh impossible.
I have an XBox 360, but multiplayer doesn't really appeal to me.
My thoughts on the ME3 ending:
<spoilers, highlight to read>
It was well-established during the first two games that the Reapers controlled the direction of societies by introducing tech. The Catalyst was obviously a trap, but one that Shepard--as established in the first two games--would really have no choice but embrace. I can't help but think that the intended end was Shepard and Anderson sitting on the Citadel, bleeding out, and watching the world die. Simple, beautiful, and tragic.
Of course, it would also have caused the bean-counters and executives to have an absolute cow. Killing off valuable IP? That just isn't done. The screams of outrage from the business side must have been overwhelming.
I've chosen to just disbelieve the last ten minutes of kludge and dreck. The game ends, everyone dies.
If you're interested, I could drop an occasional game review into the weekly thread as a comment. [shrug] My free time isn't predictable enough for me to make a commitment to do so regularly. (Not to mention that I'd run through games I'm genuinely excited about relatively quickly, and have to start discussing ones that didn't really appeal to me. That's no fun.)
Posted by: MoldyMaltQuaffer at April 22, 2012 02:38 PM (HPbj7)
Take Dragon Age: Origins. I played the game on console, and hated it. Then I started comparing it to Planescape:Torment and Baldur's Gate which I'd played on the PC and enjoyed. By most metrics I could come up with, DA was at least as good, if not better. It's just clearly meant to be played with a mouse.
My apologies for my thoughts of ME3 being in plainview. I had the font color set to be hidden (or, at least, hard to read) but for some reason, it didn't take.
Posted by: MoldyMaltQuaffer at April 22, 2012 02:48 PM (HPbj7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 02:48 PM (bxiXv)
I used to buy games, the 50 buck ones for pee cees once a month.
I wanted a better job to buy a console ( still might buy an xbox due to kinect ) but I digress.
Since 1999 I only play 2 games on the computer. Both online
I play Asheron's Call, it is an mmorpg and I play chess, which when done right is also a role playing game
I play AC to be more social, more normal. I play chess to kill things :-)
Posted by: Kala_Bon at April 22, 2012 02:50 PM (ysWJ9)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at April 22, 2012 02:50 PM (ux4hK)
Cannot agree. Pisses me the hell off. Steam still has bug issues that need to be addressed, and selling new releases for retail prices? Also B.S.
Posted by: Sgt. York at April 22, 2012 02:51 PM (xTSjS)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 02:53 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 22, 2012 02:55 PM (wTXhS)
I think it's hysterical and I can't wait.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 22, 2012 02:57 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 02:58 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 22, 2012 03:00 PM (wTXhS)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 03:02 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 22, 2012 03:07 PM (wTXhS)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 03:10 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at April 22, 2012 03:12 PM (ux4hK)
Doh!
I think I was supposed to be 4th (5th?) to help out on this, but Ace emailed we during Turkey season. Do you know how hard it is to get cell service out in the middle of freaken nowhere? Seriously, no where. 160 Acres of awesome woodland, surrounded by 320 acres of a "Conservation area" (it's land donated to the State conservation department to create a gigantic huting/fishing area.) Surrounded by..erg...thousands of acres (almost 50k) of National Forest.
The nearest gas station is 30 minutes away. Yeah. In any case, good thread, I think you managed to hit pretty much everything needed to start a good 'ol fashion gamer discussion war.
Posted by: tsrblke at April 22, 2012 03:13 PM (SYrwI)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 03:15 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at April 22, 2012 03:17 PM (ux4hK)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 03:24 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 03:27 PM (bxiXv)
I encourage you to so.
There isn't a character with the cheesy goodness to compare with Minsc, but it's probably a better story. It's a lot more about investigation than BG was. (The underlying mystery is the history of your amnesiac character, very Azure Bands, I know. But it works.) You'll die a lot, but it's not nearly as extreme as BG. (I don't see how a few of *those* battles were possible to beat without using cheat codes.) I don't recall there being a huge difference in gameplay, aside from your character's unique quirks, anyway. (But it's admittedly been several years.)
Posted by: MoldyMaltQuaffer at April 22, 2012 03:35 PM (HPbj7)
Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet[/i] at April 22, 2012 03:39 PM (UtoLw)
I take it I have to hard-code the commands, rather than highlight and click the appropriate button?
(Even though that makes them display correctly before hitting post.)
<i> test </i>
<color=white> test </color>
Posted by: MoldyMaltQuaffer at April 22, 2012 03:46 PM (HPbj7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 03:53 PM (bxiXv)
UBB (BBC) whatever code is used here. It's [] not <>. (Also I don't think underline, color or the like work.)
Posted by: tsrblke at April 22, 2012 03:53 PM (SYrwI)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 03:54 PM (bxiXv)
I like miniatures best of all, but I still enjoy map & counter games and on the computer I'm messing with Il2 4.10 and various mods that tax my HP laptop a little. :-) I also found an open-source, community-developed modern naval simulation (think Harpoon) called Global Conflict Blue. It's promising, and has a nice little community.
Posted by: Ken at April 22, 2012 04:05 PM (7yb9x)
You can do links in your sig.
We run a lean mean fightin machine here...
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 22, 2012 04:12 PM (SsG4J)
Rome Total War, tons of mods, some strictly historical and some fantasy. I'm playing and loving the Amazon:Total War mod right now, a female horse archer faction that hates the Greeks and Romans. Its very satisfying to give all those tough guy Spartans and Praetorian guards an arrow shirt and toying with them like a cat and mouse. They're (Amazons) a bit challenging to control because of their speed and darting around, but stone cold killers when you get the hang of them.You will learn to hate Egypt and their "All your base belong to us" arrogance.Lots of Monty Python references, "What did the Romans ever do for us?"
Posted by: JHW at April 22, 2012 04:13 PM (Em/DQ)
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2012 04:16 PM (7W3wI)
It is very effective extracting money from me when I am using it. I love the friends list, the ability to see what everyone's up to. Oh this dude is playing tf2? Join him. Playing L4D2? Shoot him a message and see if there's room in his group.
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 04:39 PM (zyaZ1)
MegaGlest - RTS: check glest.org
MechCommander Gold - 2.5D isometric: check wikia gaming.
ARX Libertatis - Thief-like RPG: google ARX Libertatis.org
Haven and Hearth - survival/pvp 2.5D isometric: google haven and hearth.
Posted by: 13times at April 22, 2012 04:52 PM (h6XiD)
@ 343 thanks, but it's not a malware/virus issue. I run all that protection/scanware you mentioned and then some. As for the other suggestions, it's a new version of Steam. Tried the work offline options after some of these types of fixes and it just didn't work.
The bottom line is that this sort of shit shouldn't happen when I get a game retail and it shouldn't require jumping through hoops to play or needlessly hogging resources or crashing games. Steam is a Steaming pile of crap and I truly have no desire to do even the remotest amount of digging around just to crank up a game and keep it working because of a third party program's inability to get its act together.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 22, 2012 05:00 PM (wTXhS)
Posted by: 13times at April 22, 2012 08:52 PM (h6XiD)
Don't forgot the original marathon is running free out there somewhere! (I think it's on Bungie's site.) (And legitmately free, not "Abandonware" free which isn't even a real thing.)
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 08:39 PM (zyaZ1)
Perhaps true, but I cannot for the life of me get over the fact that to push Valve's system they basically abandonded support of games on the consoles. Sure they'll release them, but updates are nonexistant.
Posted by: tsrblke at April 22, 2012 05:00 PM (22rSN)
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Posted by: 13times at April 22, 2012 05:17 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at April 22, 2012 05:19 PM (mxnUd)
Look for the enhanced edition of BG launching soon. They are keeping the same game, just updating the graphics I hear. goto baldursgate.com to check it out.
Posted by: Kevin at April 22, 2012 05:23 PM (oa10y)
Posted by: Zakn at April 22, 2012 05:23 PM (zyaZ1)
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YouTube game videos are not a bad way to get a feel for how a game plays, though obviously they don't tell you everything.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 05:28 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: dogfish at April 22, 2012 05:36 PM (N2yhW)
It isn't like it had no cost attached. It is somebody's job to look at a list of suggested changes or special feature for a platform and decide if they cost more than they earn. They looked at it and said, all versions identical or they don't happen.
The PC market and the PC gaming market are two different things. Further, when you break down by genre, there are types of games where the PC world barely exists, and vice versa. There are a bunch of successful PC games that never see consoles because nobody believes there will be sufficient audience to make it worth the investment.
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 05:56 PM (kcfmt)
RE: MMO's therepopulation. com is currently in alpha2 testing but it already looks to be an interesting civ sim/pvp conquest game worth following.
Posted by: 13times at April 22, 2012 06:05 PM (h6XiD)
It isn't like it had no cost attached. It is somebody's job to look at a list of suggested changes or special feature for a platform and decide if they cost more than they earn. They looked at it and said, all versions identical or they don't happen.
The PC market and the PC gaming market are two different things. Further, when you break down by genre, there are types of games where the PC world barely exists, and vice versa. There are a bunch of successful PC games that never see consoles because nobody believes there will be sufficient audience to make it worth the investment.
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 09:56 PM (kcfmt)
You know I could almost buy that. But when it comes to Bethesda, I really don't think they give a shit how a game is when its released. They set a release date early in the development and it its a completely unstable pile of crap they'll still release it. To not even have some of the most basic features like allowing you to customize your key bindings? That's just pathetic. Especially when companies like Rocksteady and Ubisoft will delay the release of the games on PC by several months to make sure they work on the PC.
Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2012 06:05 PM (GULKT)
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Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 22, 2012 06:14 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: 13times at April 22, 2012 06:15 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at April 22, 2012 06:45 PM (plhyL)
The charts can be very deceptive.
The Nintendo Wii fell off a cliff. That is almost the entire dip in console revenue. New hardware sales decline but when software dips heavily, that is where the real hurt happens. Nintendo had one of its worst years in it's video game history.
Comparing PC to consoles involves a false assumption: That the PC represents a single platform. In real life, the PC represents a zillion platforms with some stuff in common, like some sort of x86 processor. (Yeah, that really narrows it down!) A console with an installed base of ten million units means ten million units identical to a fairly low level, allowing for lots of optimization and a fairly narrow testing matrix. (Back in the day, machines like the Amiga filled the same role in terms of the meaningful variable being a very short list. One chipset change that had to be tested against didn't happen until the third major revision and many companies ignored it after a while because the earlier machines represented such a small portion of the installed base and the resulting issue was solely aesthetic.)
The PC market is all over the map. The list of variables that must be contended with for game testing is huge and a far higher cost than consoles. In fact, it is simply impossible to fully test a complex PC game. It's gotten pretty damn hard to do it on consoles.
Look at the big negatives of consoles for publishers. Royalty costs, having an outside company in charge of media production, having an outside entity hold the right to refuse your game's very existence on the platform. So why do they put up with that? Because the chances of making money on a well managed and narrowly defined platform is so much greater and simpler than in the alternative.
The PC version may have a lower price tag but for the publisher represents a higher cost per sale due to what is required to get a semi-finished product in the market. But it is an open platform, so the appeal will always be there for those new to the business or pursuing a concept that needs to start small and build an audience. Doing that on consoles is not impossible but so much more difficult as to make it questionable. Even for a big company, some types of games are considered a dead loss on consoles. Sometimes they'll a simpler version with faster play, like Civilization Revolutions but in general, if you want certain kinds of stuff, you go PC.
Patching of PC games is hardly new. People were complaining about it when dial-up was the rule and it could actually cost you money to get connected long enough for a large patch to download. (Remember downloading newsgroups in batches and reading them offline to minimize connect time with your ISP?) I'd suggest it is the increased overlap with consoles that have heightened the complaints. When there was a large gulf separating the two there was little option to reduce cost by applying a single design across the board.
One reason the Nintendo DS is such a money machine is that it gets a version of nearly all of the major franchises but it is such a different platform that it is almost always a unique game tied into the brand which might still sell a copy to someone who played the 'big' version on a console. The DS also moves remarkable amounts of stuff you couldn't sell almost anywhere else in big numbers, so no accounting for taste.
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 06:53 PM (kcfmt)
For most of its existence, I was the guy answering calls and letters at Cinemaware. Every time a new featured was offered a bunch of customers who thought it applied them and were wrong would pop up. That was just one issue.
For example, there was a hack to add more RAM to the Amiga 1000 without buying an expensive sidecar device. It involved stacking chips and had to be made active by running a bit of code before the memory became visible to the system.
When it became fairly common for the second generation Amigas to have a MB or more of RAM we started putting a cache function in the games to preload stuff off the floppies. It made getting into the game slow but made for a better experience once it started. Since these games were designed to boot from their floppies, they didn't know about the extra memory in those machines with the stacking hack.
Consequently, a certain amount of my time was then taken up in telling those owners of hack A1000s that they weren't going to see any caching from our games or the vast majority of multi-floppy games out there.
That was just one little item. The list stretched out endlessly over time and each platform had its own list.
When the NES and Turbo-Grafx came out and we started doing ports to console the difference was huge in terms of the reduced hassle. And all of this was for little tiny games shipped on floppies. (And some very early CD-ROMs.) The amount of cost that could be incurred after the sale was not a trivial matter and support of extended features and user options played a direct role in how complicated supporting a game could get. On the PC there were so many things beyond our control. A major video card maker turns out to do EGA just a little differently than everybody else but doesn't put a big "WARNING: LARK'S VOMIT" on the box or in their documentation. Do they get the angry phone calls? Nope, we did. No easy way to ship a patch back then, so I got to spend a lot of time processing disk exchanges instead of testing newer products.
It all adds up.
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 07:14 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: epobirs at April 22, 2012 11:14 PM (kcfmt)
Hey look, most of what you're talking about most gamers get. We know that for the PC they have compatibilty issues for probably hundreds or even thousands of systems variations and on release some aren't going to work, and patches will be needed. But there are some companies out there like Bethesda where if those were the only patching issues for their PC games it would be a god damned miracle.
Bioware, Blizzard, Rocksteady, Sega (owns Total War now), I've played multiple games by these companies and none of them have a perfect bug free game out there with no chance of issues coming up and no need to pathc. But when it comes to Bethesda games, I'd better be pressing the quicksave button every 15 minutes or I'm gonna be fucked.
Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2012 07:35 PM (GULKT)
A simpler answer is not to be in a rush to buy the hot new item. Some people enjoy that kind of abuse but I feel no need to be among them. I can understand it among the younger gamers. It's a peer group thing for them. They need to see the big new movie, play the big new game, know the big new song. It's why Hollywood loves the young. But after a certain age you shouldn't be in that trap anymore.
And I meet people quite often whose idea of what getting a decent product shipped involves is rooted in fantasy. The single best way I know of to cure a gaming addict is to make them a playtester. You will never want to see that game again in your whole life and may lose interest in everybody else's products as well.
It's like the kid who thinks it would be great to have his own comic book shop, not realizing what a miserable business it is if you need to make a living at it. Kevin Smith got rich first, then opened his shop as an indulgence.
Seem to me a heck of a lot of Mass Effect fans would trade some killer bugs with workarounds for an ending to their liking right now. No patch is ever going to fix their memories.
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