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December 27, 2012

General Norman Schwarzkopf Dead At The Age Of 78
— DrewM

A U.S. official says retired Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, who commanded the U.S.-led international coalition that drove Saddam Hussein's forces out of Kuwait in 1991, has died. He was 78.
The official tells The Associated Press that Schwarzkopf died Thursday in Tampa, Fla. The official wasn't authorized to release the information publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

President George H.W. Bush, who was President during the first Gulf War (and is in ICU himself at the moment), well, his office any way, released a statement.

"Barbara and I mourn the loss of a true American patriot and one of the great military leaders of his generation. A distinguished member of that Long Gray Line hailing from West Point, General Norm Schwarzkopf, to me, epitomized the 'duty, service, country' creed that has defended our freedom and seen this great Nation through our most trying international crises. More than that, he was a good and decent man -- and a dear friend. Barbara and I send our condolences to his wife Brenda and his wonderful family."

Whenever I think of General Schwarzkopf I think of this video.

Posted by: DrewM at 03:32 PM | Comments (255)
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1 I feel centered.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 27, 2012 03:34 PM (yIFee)

2 Rest in peace, General. I feel centered.

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 03:34 PM (5H6zj)

3 At peace with the world

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 27, 2012 03:34 PM (yIFee)

4 Thank you Sir for your example and service.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 27, 2012 03:34 PM (i5xnd)

5 Bush 41 approved message re Stormin Norman. http://bit.ly/12Sm5kD centered?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 03:34 PM (piMMO)

6 For some reason the Luckiest Man vid is over-written/replaced by an airlift video.

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 03:35 PM (5H6zj)

7 [/centered]

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 03:35 PM (piMMO)

From President George H. W. Bush, from his hospital bed, while we hear nothing from Obama:

Â“Barbara and I mourn the loss of a true American patriot and one of the great military leaders of his generation. A distinguished member of that Long Gray Line hailing from West Point, General Norm Schwarzkopf, to me, epitomized the Â‘duty, service, countryÂ’ creed that has defended our freedom and seen this great Nation through our most trying international crises. More than that, he was a good and decent man Â— and a dear friend. Barbara and I send our condolences to his wife Brenda and his wonderful family.Â”

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 27, 2012 03:35 PM (GoIUi)

9 CNN Operation Restore Hope Airlift

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 03:35 PM (5H6zj)

10 RIP.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 27, 2012 03:35 PM (8hrco)

11 Whoops! I mean Air Assault! Kind of different!

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 03:35 PM (5H6zj)

12 Thank you, Drew, for a thread on this great man. I really appreciate it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 27, 2012 03:36 PM (GoIUi)

13 Sad news.RIP General.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 03:36 PM (9XBK2)

14 I knew this blog would move to the center.(comment will cause confusion when the blog is fixed)

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 03:38 PM (9XBK2)

15 Rest in peace.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at December 27, 2012 03:38 PM (Gk3SS)

16 True American Hero. Godspeed.

Posted by: dogfish at December 27, 2012 03:39 PM (RvZ2t)

17 He earned the title hero, though he'd refuse it.

Posted by: Retread at December 27, 2012 03:39 PM (zxitI)

18 Rest in Peace, General, for a job well done.

Posted by: legiox030 at December 27, 2012 03:39 PM (yprAq)

19 RIP General.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 27, 2012 03:40 PM (zOP5o)

20 That "Hail Mary" where he went in from the west while the marines did a fake beach assault in the east will go down in history as one of the great strategic moves of all time.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 27, 2012 03:41 PM (GoIUi)

21 We need more heroes now, not less. But you earned your rest, Sir.

RIP.

Posted by: apotheosis at December 27, 2012 03:42 PM (xWk3U)

22 On twitter: @cdc444 "When placed in command -- take charge. " -Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, commander of Operation Desert Storm

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 03:43 PM (5H6zj)

23 God bless GHWB for issuing a statement before we get another statement from Barack Obama on...Barack Obama and how some bit player influenced him.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 27, 2012 03:43 PM (huD71)

24 #8 Frankly nothing from O is good. Even praise would piss me off as he doesn't deserve to speak the General's name.

Posted by: dogfish at December 27, 2012 03:44 PM (RvZ2t)

25 no fights yet?

Posted by: Soothsayer Gotrock at December 27, 2012 03:45 PM (xIzGn)

26 Frankly nothing from O is good. Even praise would piss me off as he doesn't deserve to speak the General's name *** Unfortunately, as we chat, BO is crafting a message that it is about himself, but doesn't seem too obviously about himself.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 03:46 PM (piMMO)

27 Frankly nothing from O is good. Even praise would piss me off as he doesn't deserve to speak the General's name.

Agreed. But I'm afraid SCOAMF won't have the good manners to remain silent.

Posted by: Retread at December 27, 2012 03:46 PM (zxitI)

28 anyone if BHO and his dog Barking Omlet protested Gulf War I? bet that crap waesel did history will not be kind to BHO and his flunkies

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 27, 2012 03:47 PM (jfSqj)

29 R.I.P.

Posted by: Yip at December 27, 2012 03:47 PM (/jHWN)

30 Godspeed and RIP General. Over/under on how many times TFG mentions himself in his statement on the General?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 27, 2012 03:49 PM (IvVLN)

31 @meekwire StorminÂ’ Norman was the last general who gave us a glorious taste of what it felt like to win a war without any ambiguity.

Posted by: Retread at December 27, 2012 03:49 PM (zxitI)

32 history will not be kind to BHO and his flunkies *** Sometime, probably in the next 10 years or so, but certainly within the next 20, we will read of just how close we came to losing it all. And, we still have Four!More!Years! to look forward to.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 03:49 PM (piMMO)

33 Jesus, they're dropping like flies the last week or so: Robert Bork, Jack Klugman, Charles Durning and now this.

Posted by: Bob at December 27, 2012 03:50 PM (s/Ukz)

RIP Stormin Norman.

Don't mean to denigrate a threat with off topic commentary.

But is anyone shocked about that SAndy Hook fact, i.e., that 4 handguns were used and NO "ASSAULT" weapons???

Is that right? Has that been confirmed outside of the NBC report?

Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 03:50 PM (xnYHG)

35 Later, all. God bless.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 27, 2012 03:52 PM (8hrco)

36 General Schwarzkopf's autobiography "It Doesn't Take A Hero" is available on Amazon. Well worth the time, particularly if you remember Iraq the first time around.

Posted by: Retread at December 27, 2012 03:54 PM (zxitI)

37 General Schwarzkopf's untimely death reminds us all that we live in a time that history will look back on with awe, with me being President and all.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at December 27, 2012 03:54 PM (QKKT0)

38 Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 07:50 PM (xnYHG)

It's not. The video was run out by some idiot at Townhall. It's from the day after the shooting.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 27, 2012 03:55 PM (6cEN2)

39 We've still got Colin Powell. So there's that.

Dammit to hell.

RIP, Gen. Schwarzkopf. A class act and real man.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 03:55 PM (UOM48)

40 The most notable thing about General Schwarzkopf's remarkable life was the fact that I watched him on television when he accepted the Iraqi surrender.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at December 27, 2012 03:56 PM (QKKT0)

41 He was a brave man in a minefield. That deserves respect.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 27, 2012 03:56 PM (mH/yQ)

Shit.

RIP, Sir. We are in particular need of men of your caliber these days.

You are missed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 27, 2012 03:56 PM (yiIja)

43 But enough about General Schwarzkopf.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at December 27, 2012 03:56 PM (QKKT0)

44 Sometime, probably in the next 10 years or so, but certainly within the next 20, we will read of just how close we came to losing it all. And, we still have Four!More!Years! to look forward to. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 07:49 PM (piMMO) Eventually the BHO flunkies will die off just like FDR's did. Did anyone catch the back and forth last week between me and an FDR groupie He could recite each of FDR's legislation and it's propaganiaized talking points. My old man is right, at cocktail parties state what an asshole FDR was and shake people out of their trees, bug eyed that anyone can call FDR a fucking asshole. /

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 27, 2012 03:56 PM (jfSqj)

45 37 General Schwarzkopf's untimely death reminds us all that we live in a time that history will look back on with awe, with me being President and all.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at December 27, 2012 07:54 PM (QKKT0

If I really believed that, I'd kill myself tonight.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 03:56 PM (UOM48)

46 Is that right? Has that been confirmed outside of the NBC report? Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 07:50 PM (xnYHG) the ME said it was all rifle, who know news people are fucking dumbasses

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 27, 2012 03:58 PM (jfSqj)

47 Why hasn't Michael Moore keeled over with a major heart attack?

Jeebus. Chavez still hanging on.....

Is Satan too busy?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 03:58 PM (UOM48)

48 If I really believed that, I'd kill myself tonight. **** History is no longer written by the "winners" alone. The information-cat is out of the bag.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 03:58 PM (piMMO)

49 More Schwarzkopfs. Less Schvartzes (Colin Powell). RIP to a good man.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 27, 2012 04:01 PM (XkWWK)

50 Rifle,handgun,whatever,to the MFM thay are all AK-47's and assault weapons with high carrying capacity clip magazines.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:03 PM (9XBK2)

51 Fuck. Godspeed to the final objective, General. 50-odd percent of the Nation thanks you for a job well done, a life lived well and a difference made. The rest are pond scum. We're losing our heroes and the biggest piece of shit, leftist fraud, waste-of-flesh, fucktard squats in the White House. What a wonderful time to be alive. Fuck....... Hand Salute, General.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:03 PM (zrM7+)

52 47 The evil often live far too long,eternity is a lot longer though.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:03 PM (9XBK2)

53 In an age when we suffered from too many political generals (as we do now) he rose to the task in front of him dispite their bumbling. Godspeed!

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 27, 2012 04:03 PM (Eq2MX)

54 RIP, General.

A shame. We could use a little shock and awe in Washington.

Posted by: dissent555 at December 27, 2012 04:05 PM (yR6A1)

55 Please, please, don't allow Barry to speak at his memorial/funeral.

PLEASE.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:05 PM (UOM48)

Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 07:50 PM (xnYHG)

There was a report on the day it happened that handguns had been used... but that report fell off the Radar because the Media needed a 'scary' gun...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2012 04:05 PM (lZBBB)

57 Godspeed to the final objective, General. 50-odd percent of the Nation thanks you for a job well done, a life lived well and a difference made. **** And that's just here in the U.S. Still, for any of us to be remembered so well by so many...

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 04:05 PM (piMMO)

58 Schwartzkopf..... Schwartzkopf..... nope, never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 27, 2012 04:06 PM (jucos)

59 My old man is right, at cocktail parties state what an asshole FDR was and shake people out of their trees, bug eyed that anyone can call FDR a fucking asshole. I was hooking up a generator for a friend yesterday hater her power went out and the company said it would be approx 1 day until restoration. I got to talking about how power rates would triple by 2014 because of BHOs EPA bullshit. She went into a rant of pure fucking Marxism against big business, the evil rich and how Barky was making things "fair". Ive known her for years and had no idea she was a stealth Democrat. Needless to say I won't be volunteering to do her any favors in the future unless it's life threatening. Bu the way, I hate New Jersey. No offense to CBD or other NJ dwelling morons I'm just sick of the quantity of liberal assholes here.

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at December 27, 2012 04:06 PM (wBtFp)

60 Why hasn't Michael Moore keeled over with a major heart attack? Jeebus. Chavez still hanging on..... Is Satan too busy? No, but even Satan has standards.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 27, 2012 04:07 PM (53riN)

61 Please, please, don't allow Barry to speak at his memorial/funeral. PLEASE. **** In 41's absence, should 43 do the deed? Bets on whether he cries.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 04:07 PM (piMMO)

Godspeed and God bless you General Scharzkopf.

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 27, 2012 04:07 PM (pUkWs)

63 Give Obama a break - he's still searching through his photo collection, trying to pick the one perfect shot of himself to use in commemorating Gen. Schwartzkopf.

Actually I am reminded of a perfect example of Teutonic humor. The modern self propelled torpedo was conceived by an Austrian naval officer but perfected and patented by a British engineer named Robert Whitehead. The German navy produced their "own" design and named it Schwartzkopf.

Geddit? Huh, geddit? And some people have the crust to claim Germans have no sense of humor.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 27, 2012 04:07 PM (HoGA+)

64 I still have his biography somewhere,it was a fun read.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:07 PM (9XBK2)

65 49 Less Schvartzes (Colin Powell). Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 27, 2012 08:01 PM (XkWWK) Self-aggrandizing piece of shit. There's a reason that turd spent the war in DC. Loser fuckhead with the all the Strategic competence of a bug.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:07 PM (zrM7+)

Is Satan too busy?

Apparently so.

We have lost the delight of ridding the world of bad guys. I don't know how...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 27, 2012 04:07 PM (yiIja)

67 I was hooking up a generator AFTER her power went out. Damn spellcheck

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at December 27, 2012 04:08 PM (wBtFp)

DrewM,

Do we have any info on this. I find it odd that "multiple sources" would get this wrong.

But yeah, everything was all over the place in the days that followed. Thanks for any further facts/comments on this issue.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 04:08 PM (xnYHG)

69 We lost two great warriors this week - A general and a tough as nails D-day vet.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 27, 2012 04:08 PM (BStAJ)

70 Why hasn't Michael Moore keeled over with a major heart attack?

Jeebus. Chavez still hanging on.....

Is Satan too busy?

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God, in his infinite mercy, gives some people time to repent. That they don't do so is their fault.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 27, 2012 04:08 PM (GoIUi)

71 Interesting via Greta V S: I didnÂ’t know this about General SchwarzkopfÂ’s fatherÂ…did you? click http://soc.li/8GksZBS

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 04:09 PM (5H6zj)

72 Schwarskopf. Not a political general, a real General.

Posted by: EROWMER at December 27, 2012 04:10 PM (kxlCQ)

73 How many other Obama officials, other than Lisa Jackson that is, illegally used false names and fake email accounts to avoid government oversight laws? Was this normal behavior?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 27, 2012 04:10 PM (ZPrif)

74 Penn Gillete - 2nd time I've seen him on Blaze TV in as many weeks. Tell me he gets a time slot over there soon. I'd be willing to pay the subscription - when/if they eventually implement it. Supposedly it was supposed to be implemented last month.

Posted by: Whatev at December 27, 2012 04:10 PM (2t6Gz)

75 The General has earned his rest. Enjoy Valhalla, and the thanks of a grateful nation.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 27, 2012 04:11 PM (Ai+tZ)

76 65 Wasn't one of his fuck-wit ideas to end the pursuit of the Republican Guards because "100 hour war" sounded good?Of cousre said Guard than brutally suppressed the Iraqi rebellion(Scwartzkopf admits in his book he fucked up,while negotiating the cease fire an Iraqi asked if helicopters were "no fly" and they were not.Gunships than slaughtered the resistance.)

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:12 PM (9XBK2)

77 Rest in peace Stormin' Norman.

Posted by: DangerGirl at December 27, 2012 04:12 PM (GrtrJ)

78 Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 08:08 PM (xnYHG)

From Katie Pavlich's Townhall blog where it started:

Story Retraction: Authorities Say Newtown Shooter Did Not Use Assault Weapon

Posted by: DrewM. at December 27, 2012 04:12 PM (6cEN2)

79 I remember the day the invasion was announced. Wifey was great with child, our #1 son. I remember the fear and trepidation as a soon-to-be new dad with the country going to war. All the hype about the battle hardened Republican Guard who had fought the Iranians for a decade. What a decisive win it was. God bless America. RIP sir.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 27, 2012 04:12 PM (4Mv1T)

80 Godspeed, General.

Salute!

Posted by: RightWingProf at December 27, 2012 04:13 PM (E/o+q)

81 Hopefully Castro and Chavez both die soon. Castro unfortunately had a long and healthy life. Chavez I don't doubt has been in some serious pain the past year -- though perhaps he's been so doped up he hasn't noticed. Still wonder what he has. I assume it's his balls, dick, or ass -- otherwise they would say something more specific than ... pelvic area.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 27, 2012 04:13 PM (ZPrif)

82 Re the Sandy Hook weapons. Initial reports were two handguns with his rifle found in the car, but the medical examiner said the bodies were all shot with the rifle. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html I think in the initial confusion after the incident the reporters assumed the handguns were used b/c they thought he had been "buzzed in" by the office (so the guns would need to have been hidden). But I believe it turned out that he shot his way in.

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 04:14 PM (5H6zj)

83 Penn Gillete - 2nd time I've seen him on Blaze TV in as many weeks. Tell me he gets a time slot over there soon. I'd be willing to pay the subscription - when/if they eventually implement it. Supposedly it was supposed to be implemented last month **** It's avb on dish, but not cable, so I may be out of luck.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 04:14 PM (piMMO)

84 Story Retraction: Authorities Say Newtown Shooter Did Not Use Assault Weapon Posted by: DrewM. at December 27, 2012 08:12 PM (6cEN2) ----------------------------------------------------- Outlaw Mental Defectives!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 27, 2012 04:14 PM (jucos)

85 The MFM hates handguns too,remember handguns are only useful for killing people they say when they occasionally pretend to be pro hunting.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:15 PM (9XBK2)

86 Actually, it's avb on Roku too!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 04:15 PM (piMMO)

87 I think Blaze is working well for Beck financially -- but his ability to move the national conversation has dropped to near zero since he left Fox. Same way Stern dropped off the radar when he went satellite.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 27, 2012 04:16 PM (ZPrif)

88 From Townhall: Earlier today I posted an NBC News report about the type of weapons Adam Lanza used during his Sandy Hook rampage. That report was from December 15 and contained false information. According to the Newtown coroner, Lanza used a semi-automatic AR-15, not four handguns as the report said. The entire post has been retracted. I apologize for the error.

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 04:16 PM (5H6zj)

89 Is Satan too busy? No, but even Satan has standards. Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 27, 2012 08:07 PM He has free reign these days. He can do what he wants. Fuck this shit....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:16 PM (zrM7+)

90 87 Yep.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:16 PM (9XBK2)

91 There will be a lot of fair and proper praise written in the tributes to General Schwarzkopf, and all of it due. An Extraordinary man without doubt.

There was a great columnist named George Frazier that worked at the Boston Globe, Herald, Esquire and Down Beat among other places from the 40's to the 70's who was famous for his distinctive expressions, enough to make Nixon's enemy list.

One of his favorite words was Duende which he bestowed rarely and only on the most worthy of people, and his definition of it was like Justice Stewart's famous line: hard to define but "I know it when I see it".

Stormin' Norman had Duende.

RIP General.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 27, 2012 04:16 PM (aZ6ew)

92 I'll never forget his succinct description of his Gulf War tactics. To paraphrase: "We outflanked them and when they moved we outflanked them again and as long as they kept moving we kept outflanking them." Some people actually learn lessons from history.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 27, 2012 04:18 PM (tOkJB)

Schwarzkopf told his men that they might not like some of his strict rules, but it was for their own good. He told them Â“When you get on that plane to go home, if the last thing you think about me is Â‘I hate that son of a bitchÂ’, then that is fine because youÂ’re going home alive.Â” - Vietnam.

I do so hope that Powell & Barky keep their yaps shut. I know, I won't hold my breath.

If anything has made me feel any kind of better today it is by watching the video of Ted Nugent nuking Piers Morgan on his show. Truly great to watch.

http://tinyurl.com/d7mb2sg

Posted by: Cheri at December 27, 2012 04:19 PM (EAgmr)

94 72 Schwarskopf. Not a political general, a real General. Posted by: EROWMER at December 27, 2012 08:10 PM (kxlCQ) True that. The man couldn't give a cold bottle of piss about politics.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:19 PM (zrM7+)

95 My dad died too soon at 76. One of the first 50 men in this country to fly a jet (and we only learned that the day of his memorial service, from a retired general). Daddy was sweet, quiet, funny, and humble. God, I miss him so much.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:19 PM (UOM48)

96 CNN news pundits were talking up the Republican Guard like they were impossible to beat. The US was going to lose 100k troops in an attempt. It had me worried. Nothing has changed, CNN is still wrong about everything. At the time CNN was the only 24 hr cable channel.

Posted by: Ronster at December 27, 2012 04:19 PM (JgkPs)

97 I hate New Jersey. No offense to CBD or other NJ dwelling morons I'm just sick of the quantity of liberal assholes here. Posted by: Lurkasaurus at December 27, 2012 08:06 PM (wBtFp) you have the potential to blend in well in Idaho

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 27, 2012 04:20 PM (jfSqj)

DrewM:

I don't understand this though. Multiple authorities stated that 4 handguns were BROUGHT INTO the school. And the rifle was in the car.

That is a pretty easy fucking determination to make, no? Where are the guns when it's all over. What kind are they. Why do we need a medical examiner to tell us they were all shot by the rifle? How could multiple people "official sources" get this wrong??

Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 04:20 PM (xnYHG)

99 err um

which hill is it we are dying on Hillary, Kerry, let it burn or 2nd or

just wonderin

Posted by: akak at December 27, 2012 04:20 PM (eFroM)

100 Wasn't one of his fuck-wit ideas to end the pursuit of the Republican Guards because "100 hour war" sounded good? Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 08:12 PM (9XBK2) I thought the 100 hour war was C. Powells idea

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 27, 2012 04:21 PM (jfSqj)

101 96 I remember CNN interviewing Russian Generals who said as much,since the Guard used Soviet weapons and tactics.Yet another embarrassment for the reds.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:22 PM (9XBK2)

102 I thought the 100 hour war was C. Powells idea **** Oh! i thought that's who he was referring to.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 04:23 PM (piMMO)

103

Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 08:20 PM (xnYHG)

She retracted the story because it was based on a report from the day after that was found out to be wrong.

What more do you want?

Posted by: DrewM. at December 27, 2012 04:23 PM (6cEN2)

104 At the time CNN was the only 24 hr cable channel.

I remember watching all the briefings live from SA on CNN. That was back when they actually covered news events as news.

Posted by: Retread at December 27, 2012 04:23 PM (zxitI)

105 95 My dad died too soon at 76. One of the first 50 men in this country to fly a jet (and we only learned that the day of his memorial service, from a retired general). Daddy was sweet, quiet, funny, and humble. God, I miss him so much. Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 08:19 PM (UOM4 Now that, was a time to be alive doing what you love.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:23 PM (zrM7+)

106 100 Yeah,that's who I was referring to,see the post I answered.I know for a fact Schwartskopf did not want to end the pursuit.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:24 PM (9XBK2)

107 #100 It was POWELL who pushed the idea of stopping.

His reasons were that we didn't have a mandate or coalition to go INTO Iraq, the US didn't have the stomach for the killing necessary to do it, and that we would be responsible for the country if we invaded.

I also think theSoviet Union beingon Iraq's northern border had an influence, as well.

Do not be blaming Schwartzkopf for Powell's pressure to stop.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 27, 2012 04:24 PM (GoIUi)

108 I wish Powell had let us finish the job. RIP, Gen Schwarzkopf - it was a pleasure to serve under you.

Posted by: Tim at December 27, 2012 04:24 PM (vFHyw)

109 73 How many other Obama officials, other than Lisa Jackson that is, illegally used false names and fake email accounts to avoid government oversight laws? Was this normal behavior? Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 27, 2012 _ _ _ __ _ _ I don't really remember. I seem to have taken a fall and have temporarily become absent minded.

Posted by: Stone Cold Bitch (really Hillary in disguise) at December 27, 2012 04:24 PM (0JB89)

110 102 I was!!!

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:24 PM (9XBK2)

111 "If I really believed that, I'd kill myself tonight.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 07:56 PM (UOM4 "

Both of us know that suicide is a not an option.

Posted by: Al at December 27, 2012 04:25 PM (V70Uh)

112 107 Nobody did,it was a misunderstanding.My comment was about idiot Powell.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:25 PM (9XBK2)

113 Obama. "Yeah the general and i were tight" ...then O'Dbag cums all over himself for another 30 minutes.

Posted by: Guido at December 27, 2012 04:25 PM (XLuH2)

114

Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 08:08 PM (xnYHG)

If you listen to the coroners Press conference, he is Asked if the AR15 was found in the trunk of the car, and says no... but that reporter HAD heard that report somewhere...

And.... trying to carry a Long arm, plus multiple pistols? not easy unless you have a combat harness rig'd for that AND is your size... but if you go to that trouble, just about everyone I know would prefer either matching sidearms... or two totaly different weapons...

Lots of weirdness.... and even at this time I don't think Reporters are interested in trying to get the story straight.... they just want to push the meme...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2012 04:26 PM (lZBBB)

115 102 I was!!! **** Thought so!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 04:26 PM (piMMO)

116 105 95 My dad died too soon at 76. One of the first 50 men in this country to fly a jet (and we only learned that the day of his memorial service, from a retired general). Daddy was sweet, quiet, funny, and humble. God, I miss him so much.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 08:19 PM (UOM4

Now that, was a time to be alive doing what you love.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 08:23 PM (zrM7+

Yeah, he always wished he could have been an astronaut. He was a test pilot in the Air Force. He also had a great sense of humor, and could mimic anyone. Our son has inherited that "talent." Heh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:27 PM (UOM48)

117 113 No doubt Barky thinks he could run a military campaign better than the General.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:27 PM (9XBK2)

118 Nobody did,it was a misunderstanding.My comment was about idiot Powell. ***** HAHAHAHHHHHAAAAA!!!! See what happens when, instead of copying the comment to which you are responding, you take the shortcut, and only reference the comment number?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 27, 2012 04:27 PM (piMMO)

119 101 96 I remember CNN interviewing Russian Generals who said as much,since the Guard used Soviet weapons and tactics.Yet another embarrassment for the reds. Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 08:22 PM (9XBK2) Russian Military hardware is shit, has always been shit and will always be....... shit. I argued that point with an ROTC major in college. He lost. There is a reason the Russians built tens of thousand s of tanks: To ensure that hundred would make it to the first objective.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:28 PM (zrM7+)

120

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 27, 2012 08:24 PM (GoIUi)

Yeah... I was sitting on a Destroyer in the Gulf when we were suddenly told to 'Stop'...

We were like.... 'HUH?'... as we had continuing operation orders set for days...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2012 04:28 PM (lZBBB)

121 118 I'm suitably chastened.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:28 PM (9XBK2)

122 119 Yep.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:28 PM (9XBK2)

123 Generalisimo Barky wouldn't even make a decent Chi-town street thug. Can you imagine him going up against a gang (without his SS of course)? He'd pee all over himself.

Yeah, we've got a real "man" in the WH.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:29 PM (UOM48)

124 Powell along with Brent Skowcroft were pushing the "you break it you own it" horseshit back then too.

The Highway of Death would have probably saved lives if it had been extended.

But we'll never know.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 27, 2012 04:29 PM (aZ6ew)

125 General H. Norman Schwarzkopf. Patriot. Hero. American.

Heaven, receive your newest General.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 27, 2012 04:29 PM (BVkEs)

126 Of course GHW Bush probably liked the whole 100 hour thing too,being a pol.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:29 PM (9XBK2)

127 I resort to numbers when I'm on the phone. Don't sweat it, steevy. (Obviously you're not sweating it.)

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 04:30 PM (5H6zj)

128

Fare thee well, General. Thank you. You knew that you / we were never always going to be "right", but leaving the joy of 20/20 hindsight to the pukes is very comforting.

Joshua 1:9
Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go

Posted by: and irresolute at December 27, 2012 04:30 PM (DBH1h)

129 Stormin Norman is Clinking Glasses with George Patton. RIP you world class Soldier. You gave more to America than you took.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 27, 2012 04:31 PM (l86i3)

130 Eeek. In my local Kroger today, "All In" by Paula Broadwell was prominently displayed.

Auuuugh........

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:31 PM (UOM48)

131 Yeah, he always wished he could have been an astronaut. He was a test pilot in the Air Force. He also had a great sense of humor, and could mimic anyone. Our son has inherited that "talent." Heh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

Jane, my dad also was a USAF fighter pilot who died at 72. I miss him but I am also sadly glad that he is not alive to see what his country has become. Very sad to even type that.

Posted by: Cheri at December 27, 2012 04:31 PM (EAgmr)

132 Interesting trivia,in his book he talks about how he was convinced that they got the right guy in the Lindbergh baby kidnapping(something still disputed).Someone in his family was involved in investigating the case and he had looked through the evidence.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:33 PM (9XBK2)

133 IIRC, the coalition put together by Bush 41 would not agree to kicking Saddam's ass all the way to Baghdad. Too bad. We could have gone it alone, except for the politics.

Posted by: Ronster at December 27, 2012 04:33 PM (JgkPs)

134 These evil bastards are dying on purpose -- just to avoid the inheritance tax. Greedy bastards.

Posted by: N@ncy Pel0si's ugly head at December 27, 2012 04:33 PM (0JB89)

135 131 My poor mom who died last year at 69(and who despised Obama with the best of us),well,I can't say I don't wish she was still her but the election would have mortified her.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:34 PM (9XBK2)

136 Well, I was drinking coffee, but I think I'll hoist a couple of Coronas to Stormin' Norman. Here's to you General. Get into some good conversations with Georgie. Bring Rommel along for giggles.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:34 PM (zrM7+)

137 my dad also was a USAF fighter pilot who died at 72. I miss him but I am also sadly glad that he is not alive to see what his country has become. Very sad to even type that.

Posted by: Cheri at December 27, 2012 08:31 PM (EAgmr

Yeah, my dad died 17 years ago. He would NOT believe that we have a Marxist Chicago thug sitting in the Oval Office. It would KILL him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:34 PM (UOM48)

138 Stormin Norman had such strong coattails that his dumb-ass "superior" got bumped up to Sec. of State...

Thank you for your patriotic and honorable service General...

Posted by: phreshone at December 27, 2012 04:35 PM (0SXI6)

139

RIP, General Schwarzkopf. America appreciates your service.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 04:35 PM (4u2LN)

140

Even praise would piss me off as he doesn't deserve to speak the General's name.

This.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 04:35 PM (4u2LN)

141 Loved Stormin' Norman. Now, we have people like Gen. Casey who sputters "diversity is our strength" platitudes that would shame even a university administrator.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 27, 2012 04:37 PM (huD71)

142 14 Hell,all of them Field Grade and above are political tools.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 04:39 PM (9XBK2)

143

Same way Stern dropped off the radar when he went satellite.

Good.

Howard Sperm is an idiot of the first order. Everyone of his fans say how smart he is. I haven't heard him speak of anything that approaches something that could be called "intelligent." He's another idiot that the Leftist Media prop up as Important.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 27, 2012 04:39 PM (yiIja)

144

DrewM and Romeo:

Well, my point was a very simple one. It should be pretty damn easy to figure out what weapons were fired and what weapons were not.

So how do "multiple" official sources get this wrong. How is that possible?

And Romeo, did he say where the AR 15 was found, or was it just not found in the trunk?? They should know within 30 minutes what weapons the shooter brought into the school. Why would this be convoluted at all.

It's pretty easy to stuff four handguns in cargo pants with plenty of pockets.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 04:39 PM (xnYHG)

145 Someone please tell me why Maj. Hassan (Ft. Hood murderer) is still above ground? Yeah, I realize he and our C-i-C share a religion.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:40 PM (UOM48)

146

my dad also was a USAF fighter pilot who died at
72. I miss him but I am also sadly glad that he is not alive to see what his country has become. Very sad to even type that.

Yeah, my dad died 17 years ago. He would NOT believe that we have a Marxist Chicago thug sitting in the Oval Office. It would KILL him.

My father was a Marine who landed on Iwo Jima, where his company suffered 85% casualties, and served 30 years in the USMC. He died almost ten years ago, but I'm glad he didn't live to see the Marxist turd we have for President now.

Hell, I wish I hadn't lived to see it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 04:40 PM (4u2LN)

147 Howard Sperm is an idiot of the first order. Everyone of his fans say how smart he is. I haven't heard him speak of anything that approaches something that could be called "intelligent." He's another idiot that the Leftist Media prop up as Important. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 27, 2012 08:39 PM (yiIja) He's another glorified shock jock who makes his living off of the post pubescent angst of young men.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 27, 2012 04:40 PM (l86i3)

148 Maybe they oughta name a winter storm after Gen. Storming Norman Swartzkoph.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at December 27, 2012 04:40 PM (O4hDA)

149 Norman was a Rockstar General.

Posted by: sTevo at December 27, 2012 04:40 PM (VMcEw)

150 This sort of ruins my "Super Sparkly Day"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 27, 2012 04:41 PM (e8kgV)

151

Someone please tell me why Maj. Hassan (Ft. Hood murderer) is still above ground?

I'd have hanged that fucker a long time ago. Right after Bill Ayers.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 04:41 PM (4u2LN)

152 This sort of ruins my "Super Sparkly Day" Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 27, 2012 08:41 PM (e8kgV) Damn, I didn't know my little pony had an Islamic rage boy. :-)

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 27, 2012 04:42 PM (l86i3)

153 OT/
Has anyone seen the commercials for the FX series "The Americans"?

Set in the 80's, chilling premise for what we're seeing today.

If it's like other FX shows it will be must see TV given the timely subject.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 27, 2012 04:43 PM (aZ6ew)

154 >>Someone please tell me why Maj. Hassan (Ft. Hood murderer) is still above ground?
---

My guess; sheep shagging don't ask, don't tell double standard.

Posted by: sTevo at December 27, 2012 04:43 PM (VMcEw)

155 And Barky has Patreous....bwhahaha

Posted by: torabora at December 27, 2012 04:43 PM (52dQ9)

156 Compare the msnbc.com sidebar announcement about "Stormin" Norman with the bad temper with the respectful announcement on foxnews.com. We really are two Americas.

Posted by: Puke Poet at December 27, 2012 04:43 PM (2ArJQ)

157 My fatherwas a Marine who landed on Iwo Jima, where his company suffered 85% casualties, and served 30 years in the USMC. He died almost ten years ago, but I'm glad he didn't live to see the Marxist turd we have for President now.

Hell, I wish I hadn't lived to see it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 08:40 PM (4u2LN

God bless your dad. We've got an old guy in our church who is a survivor of the Battle of Okinawa.

Our Marine kid got fucked out of voting in this election. He's an Afghanistan vet and fed the hell up with this administration and his hipster cousins who can swill a latte and breeze in and vote (again) for Dear Leader.

I don't hold out a whole lot of hope for this country, unless the low-information and un-informed masses can be changed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:43 PM (UOM48)

158 oops! off foul sock

Posted by: Cricket at December 27, 2012 04:44 PM (2ArJQ)

159 Well, my point was a very simple one. It should be pretty damn easy to figure out what weapons were fired and what weapons were not. ------- Yes, it was once the bodies were examined. I really don't see what your point is. Clearly the initial reports were effed up. The autopsy results can presumably be obtained via FOIA so unless multiple medical examiners colluded to lie about all the dead having been shot by the rifle, I don't see that the later report is likely to be wrong.

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 04:44 PM (5H6zj)

160

Gen. Schwartzkopf was a loyal, patriotic American.

Sadly, it's necessary to prepend the qualifying adjectives nowadays.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 04:45 PM (4u2LN)

161 I don't hold out a whole lot of hope for this country, unless the low-information and un-informed masses can be changed. Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 08:43 PM (UOM4

I'm hoping abject poverty wake them the FK up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 27, 2012 04:45 PM (l86i3)

162 you have the potential to blend in well in Idaho Posted by: Jake in ID at December 27, 2012 08:20 PM (jfSqj) --- how are the demographics there? I was in an accident that almost killed me a few years ago. If things go well with my new neurosurgeon I may be able to get back to work in 1 year (God willing). I'm tied to Dept of Defense type work (avionics, comms, engineering) and as cool as Picatinny can be (I was at some of the initial operational tests for the triple 7 howitzer and the Excalibur 155mm PGM Artillery round via co-workers at Picatinny) I hate what NJ has become. There's no way we would vote for a Reagan type candidate like in the early 1980s. My crappy situation is an opportunity to relocate.

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at December 27, 2012 04:45 PM (wBtFp)

163

I remember hearing about those bad-ass, he man woman hater Republican guards and how we were gonna see rivers of blood on CNN and in the SCUM. Then after the first engagements we realized that they were just typical third world thugs with soviet weapons that really didn't work that well and tactics that were predictable. Sucks to be you guys, Ted and Jane.

I think Bush Sr. Had his fair share of death and destruction during WWII and thus he let that worthless affirmative action clown Powell have the final say instead of listening to Stormin Norman.

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 27, 2012 04:45 PM (eINqu)

164 R.I.P. General.

Posted by: seamrog at December 27, 2012 04:45 PM (JhtYd)

165 Grip hands...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 27, 2012 04:45 PM (1w6VE)

166 Hard to believe Desert Shield/Storm was 22 years ago. I was deployed to Al Kharj (later named Prince Sultan) during the war as a dog handler walking the perimeter. I truly wish we had finished the deal then, but I was happy to get home in time for the birth of my son. RIP General

Posted by: Icedog at December 27, 2012 04:45 PM (9ScGj)

167 Jane, Jane, Jane...Love your country...Hate the elected.

Posted by: sTevo at December 27, 2012 04:46 PM (VMcEw)

168 148 Maybe they oughta name a winter storm after Gen. Storming NormanSwartzkoph.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at December 27, 2012 08:40 PM (O4hDA

Not a fat rat's ass chance of that, with the Weather Channel controlled by MSDNC.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:46 PM (UOM48)

169 On top of sloppy reporting and confusion from misinformed leakers, there was a felon on parole who went to Sandy Hook after the shootings, representing himself as the uncle of Lanza. He spoke with reporters, including NYDN reporters, about Lanza, claiming he was on meds. So that's how *that* rumor got started. The impostor has since been arrested for parole violations.

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 04:46 PM (5H6zj)

170

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 08:43 PM (UOM4

Thanks, Jane, and God bless you and your son as well.

After my father died, on going through his effects, I found a little container ... that turned out to be sand he'd brought back from Iwo Jima.

It brought tears to my eyes. Still does.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 04:47 PM (4u2LN)

171 157-Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Jane. I hope your son is doing well, and won't be going back to the 'Stan any time soon. Hubby met Stormin Norman in Kuwait just after the liberation, and said he was a truly wonderful man. No nonsense, no bullshit, state the facts, do your job and protect the US. Wish we had more generals who thought that way.

Posted by: moki at December 27, 2012 04:49 PM (wi/sM)

172 Our diversity not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse. Older guys like Norman Schwarzkopf didn't get that. They were thinking more in terms of achieving mission objectives while preserving the lives of their men. But really, it's about diversity: who wins and loses in racial and domestic political terms. Not that the lives of the troops are unimportant! But they're not that important.

Posted by: General George W. Casey (retired) at December 27, 2012 04:49 PM (PN8dp)

173 142 14 Hell,all of them Field Grade and above are political tools. Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 08:39 PM (9XBK2) We still had warrior Generals up til about '98 or so. They're all political tools now. Man, I don't want to be France, much less Europe.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:50 PM (zrM7+)

174

Y not:

Who is going to file that FOIA request? And why in the hell does it need to wait for a medical examiner/autopsy??????

Guns on the ground and on the shooter's person are the only guns used in the school. What were those guns?

You can just feel the gun to know whether it was used or not.

So given those facts, how can NBC have cited to multiple official sources that said he had four handguns and the rifle was left in the car???

Posted by: prescient11 at December 27, 2012 04:50 PM (xnYHG)

175 Spent Christmas afternoon and evening in Atlanta with the entire Obamabot in-laws. We had a "moment of silence"(at the Life Coach's urging) to "summon" the spirit of my dead 90 y-o f-i-l. I sat in a corner thinking of my sweet late parents, missing them, and thanking God that I was raised by them, raised a son to be a Marine, and not a hipster douchebag in my family. Sadly, my only sibling is a Marxist. Parents never knew it. So there's that.

*sigh*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 04:51 PM (UOM48)

176 But really, it's about diversity: who wins and loses in racial and domestic political terms. Not that the lives of the troops are unimportant! But they're not that important. Posted by: General George W. Casey (retired) at December 27, 2012 Fuck. You.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:51 PM (zrM7+)

177

It's sad that we must look upon the defeat of an enemy in an unapolagetic way as History. We once were better than that.

I weep for our country.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 27, 2012 04:52 PM (yiIja)

178 175 Spent Christmas afternoon and evening in Atlanta with the entire Obamabot in-laws. We had a "moment of silence"(at the Life Coach's urging) to "summon" the spirit of my dead 90 y-o f-i-l. I sat in a corner thinking of my sweet late parents, missing them, and thanking God that I was raised by them, raised a son to be a Marine, and not a hipster douchebag in my family. Sadly, my only sibling is a Marxist. Parents never knew it. So there's that. *sigh* Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 08:51 PM (UOM4 I reach, Jane. I reach.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 27, 2012 04:53 PM (zrM7+)

179 Diversity is weakness. Unity is strength.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 04:53 PM (4u2LN)

180 so did lanza use a long gun or not?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at December 27, 2012 04:53 PM (AVfT8)

181 Is a Life Coach a new age pastor or something like that?

Posted by: sTevo at December 27, 2012 04:53 PM (VMcEw)

182 175 Spent Christmas afternoon and evening in Atlanta with the entire Obamabot in-laws. We had a "moment of silence"(at the Life Coach's urging) to "summon" the spirit of my dead 90 y-o f-i-l. *sigh* Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 08:51 PM (UOM4 I'm a firm believer in not screwing with shit that you don't understand. And I believe I'd ave made that clear. God bless you for making it through that ma'am.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 27, 2012 04:54 PM (IvVLN)

183 Loved Stormin' Norman. RIP.

Posted by: Peaches at December 27, 2012 04:56 PM (kpCLl)

184 >>180 so did lanza use a long gun or not? AR-15

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 04:56 PM (5H6zj)

185

We had a "moment of silence"(at the Life Coach's urging) to "summon" the spirit of my dead 90 y-o f-i-l.

OK, the Scotch is kicking in, but if/when we hit Ctrl-Alt-Del on this republic we need to bring back hanging as a means of execution (none of that pussified lethal injection; hell, most mornings I'd pop for that myself), and anyone billing himself as a "Life Coach" would go to the head of the queue for the gallows. Right after the hard-core Reds.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 04:56 PM (4u2LN)

186

Fred Franks commanded V Corp, the prominent flanking and envelopment manuever that attacked the Iraqis from the west. V Corp was three Combat Divisions, plus an Air Cav regiment and the British Armored Division (on the right, southern flank).

Barry McCafferey commanded VII Corp, further north (in Iraq) on Franks' left flank. McCafferey's VII Corp actually did more fighting AFTER the "100 hours" as Iraqi army units resisted. They secured Safewan, where the armistice was agreed to. I have a friend who was a major in VII Corp who was reconoitering Safewan after the fighting but before the armistice.

McCafferey and Franks were both looking to John Yeosock (commander, 3rd Army Group V and VII Corp) and Yeosock was looking to Schwartzkopf for direction after the primary flanking and envelopment was accomplished. The Republican Guard was still pretty much intact and had withdrawn back into Iraq out of Kuwait. One division of the Republican Guard had been pretty decimated, and parts of two others had taken heavy losses, but still had combat capacity (they fought with McCafferey a few days later and got their clocks cleaned again).

Powell persuaded GHWB that the goals of the UN mandate had been accomplished, and that the 100 hour war was finished. Thus no pursuit of the Republican Guard into Iraq.

Someday an unbiased history of these years, from the Iran-Iraq war up until the SOFA and end of major combat roles for the US in Iraq, will be written. I don't think that Colin Powell will come out of this looking very good.

Godspeed Norman Schwarzkopf.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at December 27, 2012 04:57 PM (Md8Uo)

187 I wonder if the General was ill or something that fmr President Bush's staff had a statement ready so quickly.

Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2012 04:57 PM (5H6zj)

188 I would pay to see Michael Moore and Fat Rush Limpcock sumo wrestle on a bet of hot coals.

I hate them both.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 27, 2012 04:58 PM (47/xR)

189

98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun

I concur. Semper Fi.

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 27, 2012 04:58 PM (DVEEo)

190 Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 08:51 PM (UOM4

Jane!!! Sorry you had to have Christmas with that bunch of twats, but I know you made the best of it. How's the D'oh Boy doing? He finding work, romance, fun? Big hug to you, girl!

Posted by: Peaches at December 27, 2012 04:58 PM (kpCLl)

191 that is too bad about Stormin' Norman
rest in peace

Posted by: chemjeff at December 27, 2012 04:59 PM (cnS/d)

192 Oh good. A troll.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 27, 2012 04:59 PM (IvVLN)

193 hey, Jane D'oh is here? that is awesome
how is everything

Posted by: chemjeff at December 27, 2012 04:59 PM (cnS/d)

194 175-Jane, honey, your husband owes you diamond necklaces down to your navel, for being polite and going to that , uh, get together. The horde loves you, sugar, and we are proud of you and how you have raised such an amazing young man that D'Oh Boy has turned out to be.

Posted by: moki at December 27, 2012 05:00 PM (wi/sM)

195 47 Why hasn't Michael Moore keeled over with a major heart attack? Jeebus. Chavez still hanging on..... Is Satan too busy? His Royal Barbed Cock called to say he's been busy interviewing a new crop of reapers, and they're about ready to get busy, given the backload and all. You're forgetting the Castro Brothers...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at December 27, 2012 05:01 PM (BDH94)

196 Jane,

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Posted by: Beto at December 27, 2012 05:01 PM (BAnPT)

197 Is Satan too busy?

He's probably busy hiring staff for his upcoming cabinet position with TFG's weaselly administration.

Posted by: Peaches at December 27, 2012 05:01 PM (kpCLl)

198 I'm telling you morons and 'ettes, look into this show "The Americans".
It's going to be ripping good.

Producers include:

Joe Weisberg former CIA officer , Damages
Graham Yost Justified
Paul Greengrass Spycatcher, MI5

Posted by: ontherocks at December 27, 2012 05:03 PM (aZ6ew)

199 Hey, Peaches and chemjeff! All is "okay." D'oh Boy is still in the Corps, still doing well (still hasn't gotten his damned Christmas boxes....dammit).

Survived the ATL lib family Christmas. Wine kept me from killing anyone.

So there was that. Had to drive us back yesterday (husband is moving his company into new, larger, office and warehouse space....for less money than his previous lease) and drove through high winds in the SUV. My hands and shoulders still hurt from gripping the steering wheel while he dealt with bidness on his iPhone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 05:03 PM (UOM48)

200 The horde loves you, sugar, and we are proud of you and how you have raised such an amazing young man that D'Oh Boy has turned out to be.

Posted by: moki

Agreed. Also we have a national election every 4 years. You'd think that the twats in charge of said elections could manage to make sure our troops overseas could vote and in a timely fashion. They have years to get it right. Oh I crack myself up!

Posted by: Cheri at December 27, 2012 05:04 PM (EAgmr)

201 Oh good. A troll.

Can I play with it, or is that bad manners on this thread?

Posted by: fluffy at December 27, 2012 05:04 PM (z9HTb)

202 189 You are one confused son of a bitch, aren't you?

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 27, 2012 05:05 PM (BVkEs)

203

Why hasn't Michael Moore keeled over with a major heart attack?

Jeebus. Chavez still hanging on.....

Is Satan too busy?

Satan's laying in cases of Viagra for that cocksucker Soros. The small fry will have to wait.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 27, 2012 05:05 PM (4u2LN)

204 General RIP. I remember watching the daily press conferences. I am worried about President Bush 41, he is In the ICU, and I have bad feeling about him.

Posted by: CarolT at December 27, 2012 05:05 PM (s0f54)

205

Diversity is weakness. Unity is strength.

The whole modern idea of "diversity" is meant to undermine competence. That some politically correct general has embraced it is yet further proof of our decline. We used to promote those who were the best at what they did, regardless of their origins. We were already diverse, as far as our national makeup. There is nothing the Left won't corrupt or skew to reach their goal of the dilution of American values, and our pride of nationality.

The General, I hope, would've wanted the very best of his troops, regardless of their ethnicity.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 27, 2012 05:05 PM (yiIja)

206 Or "luckiest family in Iraq." Who knows? Collateral damage. Oh well. It was entertaining television.

Posted by: nobama2012 at December 27, 2012 05:05 PM (7D6bD)

207 Jane D'oh, I am so sorry for your unpleasant Christmas experience

next time you go to their place, bring this kitteh with you

http://tinyurl.com/clsowvf

Posted by: chemjeff at December 27, 2012 05:06 PM (cnS/d)

208 RIP General.
May the road always rise up to meet you.

On a side note: I just don't give a shit anymore.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs, Joyeux Noël at December 27, 2012 05:06 PM (Mkhiu)

209 TFG's weaselly administration.

We take offense at your suggestion that a weasel would work for TFG sir.

Posted by: International Brotherhood of Weasels at December 27, 2012 05:07 PM (BAnPT)

210 Hubby met Stormin Norman in Kuwait just after the liberation, and said he was a truly wonderful man. No nonsense, no bullshit, state the facts, do your job and protect the US. Wish we had more generals who thought that way. Posted by: moki at December 27, 2012 08:49 PM _ _ _ _ _ That's good to know. Always Assumed this, but good to hear it. I always looked upon General Schwarzkopf among the great ones of American History. Atleast he was the one of the best in the last part of the 20th century.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 27, 2012 05:09 PM (0JB89)

211 What about me? I was a warrior General too - I almost started WWIII over a stupid airport in Kosovo! *in all seriousness, RIP General Schwarzkopf. You'll be kicking all kinds of ass in the Great Beyond soon.*

Posted by: Ret General Wesley Clark at December 27, 2012 05:09 PM (SOGo4)

212 175 Spent Christmas afternoon and evening in Atlanta with the entire Obamabot in-laws. We had a "moment of silence"(at the Life Coach's urging) to "summon" the spirit of my dead 90 y-o f-i-l. OH. DEER. LORD. You should have stood up, explained you were overcome with emotion, and needed a moment, and excused yourself out the door. Preferably to a neighborhood bar...and raise a toast to your parents.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at December 27, 2012 05:09 PM (BDH94)

213 Dammit, chemjeff, that's funny as hell! Just sent it to our son.

My m-i-l adopted a little kitteh about 6-7 months old. He's so cute and sweet. Loves tearing all the Christmas ornaments off of her tree, and chasing a red laser dot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 05:10 PM (UOM48)

214 I have liberal Obama loving relatives. I make any excuse that I can not to be around them. I commend you for your endurance. To hear them talk about how wonderful everything is that Obama has been re-elected is a journey of mind-numbing idiocy. I can't wait until the next one asks me for a $$ loan (which is never re-paid) My answer is "No. Go ask Santa O'Barky, surely he will come to your rescue."

Posted by: Cheri at December 27, 2012 05:12 PM (EAgmr)

215 I'm blessed by a family free of leftards.Get togethers are a joy.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 05:12 PM (9XBK2)

216 isn't that supposed to be weasely clark?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at December 27, 2012 05:12 PM (AVfT8)

217 Hugh Shelton, a longtime friend of Wesley Clark and Chairman of the JCS during the Clinton's second term, thought Wesley Clark was a dick for what he did in Kosovo; just too professional to say it in those terms.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at December 27, 2012 05:13 PM (Md8Uo)

218 aww Jane D'oh that is sweet

Posted by: chemjeff at December 27, 2012 05:14 PM (cnS/d)

219 steevy indeed, count your blessings

Posted by: chemjeff getting drunk at applebee's at December 27, 2012 05:15 PM (cnS/d)

220 Kitteh meme pick is cute but it should say "bidness" instead of "business" for maximum hilarity.

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2012 05:16 PM (9XBK2)

221 My poor husband's entire immediate family are Obamabots. He has a cousin who worked for Booooosh.

Now that my parents are dead, we have to spend a day with the libtards. I used to love Christmas Day.......

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 05:17 PM (UOM48)

222

Hugh Shelton on Wesley Clark and would he support his run for President:

Â“IÂ’ve known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early [i.e., was forced to step down as commander of U.S. forces in Europe] had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. IÂ’m not going to say whether IÂ’m a Republican or a Democrat. IÂ’ll just say Wes wonÂ’t get my vote.Â”

Posted by: Cheri at December 27, 2012 05:18 PM (EAgmr)

223 Wesley Clark is another one who can go horse fuck.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 05:19 PM (UOM48)

224 I felt relatively safe when "The General" was in charge. These days not so much...

Posted by: annemari at December 27, 2012 05:21 PM (M86wf)

225 I'm waiting for the day when Barry shows up in dictator garb, with a ceremonial sword and shit.

Don't laugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 05:22 PM (UOM48)

226 perhaps wes clark is kerry with a nicer jaw line

Posted by: ette at December 27, 2012 05:22 PM (nqBYe)

227 Weasley "Perfumed Prince" Clark shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread. The only perfume Schwarzkopf wore was an aftershave blend blended from grain alcohol, gunpowder, cosmoline, and the blood of his enemies.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at December 27, 2012 05:22 PM (AMoyz)

228 Jane, unfortunately i couldn't laugh.

Posted by: ette at December 27, 2012 05:23 PM (nqBYe)

229 Barry doesn't need to show up in dictator garb, he's already got the halo, remember?

dictator is too low of station for Barry /sarc

Posted by: chemjeff getting drunk at applebee's at December 27, 2012 05:23 PM (cnS/d)

230 224 Wesley Clark is another one who can go horse fuck. Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 09:19 PM (UOM4

I was really interested in seeing that reality series where Hollywood people(I say tha because I would not call many of them stars) until it was revealed that jack ass was hosting it.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 27, 2012 05:23 PM (mNctV)

231 The only perfume Schwarzkopf wore was an aftershave blend blended from grain alcohol, gunpowder, cosmoline, and the blood of his enemies.

That would look awesome on his headstone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 05:23 PM (UOM48)

232 I remember when Clark was running for office he did that gay magazine cover photo. You know, to lock in the Gay-General-Hipster factor. Schwarzkopf should have kicked his ass.

Posted by: Cheri at December 27, 2012 05:24 PM (EAgmr)

233 chemjeff well he idid ride in AS an ass.

Posted by: ette at December 27, 2012 05:25 PM (nqBYe)

234 it's gonna be Moochelle in 2016, so that we can get that same Putin/Medvedev vibe here in the US

Posted by: chemjeff getting drunk at applebee's at December 27, 2012 05:27 PM (cnS/d)

235 Didn't Clark pull out the (real or not) family history that he's a Fellow Joooo? For the vote, of course. Yet he supports Hamas.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 05:27 PM (UOM48)

236 so instead of having someone with integrity we get ge ham (awful quiet on benghazi) and petraeus.(same)

Posted by: ette at December 27, 2012 05:30 PM (nqBYe)

237 climbing back in bed and covering my head rip stormin norman.

Posted by: ette at December 27, 2012 05:32 PM (nqBYe)

238 I'm waiting for the day when Barry shows up in dictator garb, with a ceremonial sword and shit.

Don't laugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 27, 2012 09:22 PM (UOM4

You think he sent his personal shopper to Qdaffy's garage sale after he bought the farm? Cause I can totally see that! And, with alterations, Mooch could probably wear some of that shit, too. With a boobeh belt, of course.

Posted by: Peaches at December 27, 2012 05:33 PM (kpCLl)

239 oh for God's sake, everybody in the school was shot with the bushmaster, except him, shot himself with the glock. all earlier reports were f' d up.

Posted by: jaimo at December 27, 2012 05:36 PM (yxBcx)

240 More likely outfit for TFG: http://thehud.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/obama-robes.jpg

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at December 27, 2012 05:39 PM (AMoyz)

241

Now that my parents are dead, we have to spend a day with the libtards. I used to love Christmas Day.......

I'm sorry Jane. You are a saint. Luckly, none of the family I spend Christmas with is an obot. We had one of the best on Christmas Eve. 4 Generations.

Posted by: Infidel at December 27, 2012 05:46 PM (vfUX8)

242 Rest in peace General.

Posted by: Berserker at December 27, 2012 05:55 PM (FMbng)

243 You think he sent his personal shopper to Qdaffy's garage sale after he bought the farm? Cause I can totally see that! And, with alterations, Mooch could probably wear some of that shit, too. With a boobeh belt, of course.
Posted by: Peaches at December 27, 2012 09:33 PM

yeah she does have an Idi Amin quality, don't she?

Posted by: Berserker at December 27, 2012 05:57 PM (FMbng)

244 RIP, sir. I remember watching the news as a 19 year old college student wondering how long Gulf War I would last. You, sir, were the kind of leader I hoped I would find when I ultimately joined the service and still have yet to find. Godspeed and thank you.

Posted by: Emdoc at December 27, 2012 05:58 PM (0RJ16)

245 I always thought it odd that Rommel, an infantry officer wrote Achtung , Panzer!, while a cav/armor officer (Von Manstein?) wrote Der Infantrie.

Posted by: Fox2! at December 27, 2012 06:03 PM (2Lm88)

246 sHe came out against Iraq II pretty early definitely while the cheerleading was still pretty loud here Remember The Surge Worked??

Posted by: occam at December 27, 2012 06:19 PM (t2oag)

247 The emo checker scans it and sends it down the belt to a older lady who refused to touch it. I asked what the problem was and she said she was a vegan and would not touch it.

Mister subtle I'm not. I would have told her to perform an anatomically impossible feat with that turkey and, then, walked out of "Hipster Paradise" never to return. Screw that. I have no patience for assholes like that anymore. None. At the very least, I would have asked for the turkey to be removed from the bill and walked over to the canned goods and placed it there.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 27, 2012 06:27 PM (tAoev)

248 Damn...freaking laptop jumped to the wrong post. I just LOVE touchpads. Grrrr.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 27, 2012 06:28 PM (tAoev)

249 Someday an unbiased history of these years, from the Iran-Iraq war up until the SOFA and end of major combat roles for the US in Iraq, will be written. I don't think that Colin Powell will come out of this looking very good. Godspeed Norman Schwarzkopf Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes. at December 27, 2012 08:57 PM (Md8Uo) Colin Powell will not come out looking very well. I am reading and have yet to finish, Dick Cheney's book, he is diplomatic towards Powell. Cheney was SOD during first Gulf War. Most of you probably know that. I forgot until I read it.

Posted by: CarolT at December 27, 2012 06:43 PM (z4WKX)

250 @246 Rommel did not write "Achtung Panzer". It was Heinz Guderian.
Rommel was never considered (by the Germans) to be the greatest German armor general.

The British desert generals thought he was the best anti-tank strategist, though. He used his tanks as bait, lured them into a box, and used 88mm carriage-mounted guns as anti-tank weapons.

Posted by: comatus at December 27, 2012 07:10 PM (qaVK+)

251 My first real war. Good man and great general. God Bless you and keep you.

Posted by: Maj O at December 27, 2012 07:38 PM (TwbSE)

252 @251 - Rommel was Robert E. Lee with a Kubelwagen.

They were battlefield generals, for all that means both good and bad.

Posted by: JEM at December 27, 2012 07:56 PM (o+SC1)

253 Schwarzkopf got to fight his war under a Commander-in-Chief and a SecDef who understood that, in the long run, on Day One it's cheaper to have too many boots and too many tubes than too few.

A lesson that CinC's less experienced son did not take to heart a decade-and-change later.

Posted by: JEM at December 27, 2012 08:00 PM (o+SC1)

254 The REAL soldier General of Iraq I. Not the politician rino Powell. May the General enjoy peace.

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 27, 2012 08:12 PM (T/L2Z)

255 I served in Desert Storm under his command. He was a hell of a guy and a leader. Sadly, commanders of his caliper are no longer welcome in the PC atmosphere of todayÂ’s military. I already miss him.var __chd__ = {'aid':11079,'chaid':'www_objectify_ca'};(function() { var c = document.createElement('script'); c.type = 'text/javascript'; c.async = true;c.src = ( 'https:' == document.location.protocol ? 'https://z': 'http://p') + '.chango.com/static/c.js'; var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0];s.parentNode.insertBefore(c, s);})();

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