What a tragedy. ......People buy a cruise package, and end up getting killed.

The AlGore crowd will probably figure out a way to blame this on globull warming.

3  In this day and age, it's hard to believe than anything could run aground, especially a ship of that size.

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I know! .....Maybe there was some panic going on on the bridge? I mean, they have state of the art sonar on those big cruisers, don't they?

How is this even possible?

They did mention an electrical failure, which could've led to the sonar failing. Only a guess. Still, they should have known where they were, especially in shallow water with reefs. Hopefully, it was mechanical not human in nature.

Sad.

They did mention an electrical failure, which could've led to the sonar failing. Only a guess. Still, they should have known where they were, especially in shallow water with reefs. Hopefully, it was mechanical not human in nature.

Sad.

If I am running down the street at night and the streetlights go out, I stop and get my bearings. I don't keep running and hope not to trip over a curb.

Of course, that is a pure hypothetical. I don't run anywhere. Perhaps I should have used an analogy about driving a car.

Don't most port areas have those bouy things marking the shallows?

Don't most port areas have those bouy things marking the shallows?

Posted by: wheatie at January 14, 2012 01:02 PM (Qli+Q)

Usually but even then these ships have digitized charts and tide charts that are extremely accurate.

 This same cruise company ran a ship into a pier in Egypt last year. Also power failures and a fire.

Hmm, history of mechanical failures, huh? That's not the place to be trying to save money, especially when you rely on the machinery to keep you alive.

And the lawyers will descend, although in this case it appears to be deserved.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 14, 2012 01:04 PM (sqkOB)

I mentioned on the other thread that I took a cruise on the Carnival Imagination (855 feet) and it was extremely impressive how the ship was maneuvered in and out of port.

Most of the time, the ship would just anchor a mile or two offshore and a tender would ferry passengers back and forth to the island or wherever.

It's a shame Leo DiCaprio wasn't aboard.  Could have spared us from J Edgar 2.

I denounce myself.

46.....Usually but even then these ships have digitized charts and tide charts that are extremely accurate.

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I was wondering about that too. .....You'd think they would have them loaded into some battery-powered backup of some sort, in case of an electrical failure in their main nav system.

In the old days, the captians did pretty well with those paper charts.

Kathy Lee Gifford could not be reached for comment.

Again, denounce.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 01:07 PM (piMMO)

Yep. They're essentially like the newer aircraft that can pretty much take off and land without the pilot touching the controls.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 14, 2012 01:05 PM (i6RpT)

That's the kiss of death for Santorum

/quickly pauses his game of angry birds, puts his cellphone away...

Uh... Sir????

Hard to figure how the captian did this. I used to own a sailboat in St. Thomas and we were at the dock one night and a cruise ship ran aground leaving Charlotte Amalie. It was at night and before GPS was used publically so you could kind of make a case that it's a narrow mouth on the harbor and the guy wasn't that familiar with it.

Today with GPS I just don't see it, there is a little line drawn on your display depicting the safe course out of a harbor. All you need to do is keep you boat on that little line.

Posted by: Your Leftie Neighbor at January 14, 2012 01:00 PM (piMMO)

I'm unsure if driving is the term used for aiming a Chevrolet Volt?

27 feet? Damn.

That's insane.  10 foot swells and you are flirting with a 40 foot bottom...

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 01:08 PM (piMMO)

Passengers don't weigh as much as Freight...

Posted by: Coxswain at January 14, 2012 01:13 PM (NtXW4)

How you doin'?

In the US Navy, when a ship captain does something stupid like run his ship aground in areas where there are good charts, it usually means the end of his career.  On a civilian cruise liner with literally thousands of people on board, there is no excuse for doing something this incompetent.

This is a sign of the growing worldwide idiocracy.   People of mediocre or low intelligence  are given control over ever-larger instruments of technology and will stupidly ignore training and sound reasoning and do something willfully stupid.  Just wait and see what comes out of the inquiry as to why this ship hit a reef and had it's hull torn open.  This sort of think should NEVER happen.

It reminds me of the recent story about why the Air France Airbus crashed in the South Atlantic - because the pilot at the controls was not experienced enough to take the plane out of a climb and stalled it into a dive from which he could not recover.  Stupidity.

Posted by: robtr at January 14, 2012 01:13 PM (MtwBb)

I'm betting it was a combination of failures both human and mechanical.

One thing in the article that jumped out was that the captain didn't immediately put out a distress call which is suspicious.

Posted by: Coxswain at January 14, 2012 01:13 PM (NtXW4)

How you doin'?

Posted by: Barney Frank at January 14, 2012 01:15 PM (xKueo)

Sorry...I'm going with the Cabin Boy... toodles!

One thing in the article that jumped out was that the captain didn't immediately put out a distress call which is suspicious.

Posted by: ErikW at January 14, 2012 01:17 PM (a28oZ)

It tankes time to figure out if you are damaged after hitting somthing...

Sometimes? its not a big deal, no real damage...

Sometimes? like when we hit a buoy going into Norfolk once? It puts a big Hole in the side of your ship...

So, if damage was in a unmannded void? which then started to fill with water, it could be some time before you know how damaged you really are...

Those "all glass cockpits" now give me pause too. ....I remember the arguments against them, when they were getting started. .....And they are still pretty good arguments.

One old joke, about Airbus....which was the first to go with an all-computerized cockpit, and crashed promoting it at a big Euro airshow:

"What's the difference between an Airbus and a Chainsaw? ......A chainsaw only takes out one tree at a time."

I love the sensation of takeoff.

Me, too. Nothing like getting pushed back in your seat, the more, the betterer.

I also always ask for a window seat. One one flight to see the relatives up in Ohio, the weather down here was pissy on the ground: all overcast and stuff. I especially wanted to look out the window at night. And yeah, I'm easily amused.

We took off about an hour after sunset. While climbing to altitude, we broke through the overcast to the most beautiful cloudscape I have ever seen. The tops of the clouds looked like a carpet with the moon and the stars shining down on it.

It was a truly wondrous sight to see and is a memory that remains with me to this day.

The next day he was supposed to fly to LA to meet with some FOX execs but he was so hungover he missed his flight...the one that hit the Trade Center.

And he makes fun of 9-11 on the show all the time.  Classy.

This is a sign of the growing worldwide idiocracy.   People of mediocre or low intelligence  are given control over ever-larger instruments of technology and will stupidly ignore training and sound reasoning and do something willfully stupid.  Just wait and see what comes out of the inquiry as to why this ship hit a reef and had it's hull torn open.  This sort of think should NEVER happen.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at January 14, 2012 01:16 PM (sJTmU)

It looks like incompetence is company policy at Costa Cruises.

http://tinyurl.com/7sel6ow

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2012 01:21 PM (NtXW4)

That could be as well. We won't know for sure until the investigation is completed which will probably take a loooooong time.

116 Wow, Niedermeyer, that is one huge gash. 

That's what she said.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 01:24 PM (piMMO)

Yeah, and looking at the pics? with a 90 meter gash?

Looks like they were moving pretty fast, and on a downswell hit somthing sticking up.... only way to get the 'gash' that far back... then the momentum of the ship continued the damage...

You're right... once he started to head for shore... all sorts of MayDays should have been going out...

Ehhhh....I didn't think about that. It's true. Jesus. That is really evil.

Yeah, McFarlane is kind of a scumbag.

And turtles.

What about monkeys?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2012 01:26 PM (7FadD)

Hmmm... and just what Ship will you all be on?

that is one huge gash. 

But the price is still 2 bits.

/blares from the Speaker on the Lido Deck

Capt. Stueben to the bridge... Gophers at the helm again...

125116 Wow, Niedermeyer, that is one huge gash.

Desperately biting my tongue...

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You type with your tongue? .....Now, that's talent. Talent that should be put to good use.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 14, 2012 01:26 PM (7FadD)

Totally worth it. Duty-free liquor store, 24 hour buffets, unlimited room service.

Did I mention the duty-free liquor store?

I'm pretty sure I was supposed to ask her to show me around town, but all I could think of was "shut up lady, I'm trying to stare out the window at all the cool topography down there!"

You do realize, do you not, that that is the first stage of Creeping Curmudgeonhood?

My Dad can fix this.  He has an awesome set of tools.  It'll buff right out, no problem.

 I wonder what it hit? .....Maybe there is a small boat missing.

Kirsti Alley on a raft?

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 14, 2012 01:39 PM (4933g)

Yep, that's a big fuckin' rock. Broke off.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 14, 2012 01:42 PM (niZvt)

It's a pretty new ship. They'll probably try and salvage it. Patch the hole, pump the water out, get it to float enough to tow it to the nearest dry dock.

178Thing is, the gash is on the mainland side, not the island side. Weird, that.
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Yeah, that does seem weird. ....Thanks for the picture(s).

It's laying over on it's undamaged side. That's what seems weird. 

I only get to fly maybe once or twice a year.

Once every five years or so with me, if I'm lucky. It's so rare, I want to soak up every sensation and view possible.

Did I mention that the largest part of my psyche is still in its teenaged years? Not that I give a shit...

Which is Phase II of CC.

Hmmm... three recent earthquakes in the area...

The undersea landscape does shift... somthing may have moved... add in some heavey seas and a good 'roller'?

The Captain will prolly go with the arrhythmia defense. It's trendy   

I was counting on that as my defense against getting old.

That's the only thing preventing the Final Phase: Full Mudge.

I still ride grocery carts occasionally...

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 01:54 PM (piMMO)

So, they DID perfect Cloning???

I'll take one of each....

As an aside, on a study of how shitty a cruise line can be ran, I recommend The Ship and the Sorm: Hurricane Mitch and the loss of the Fantome.

A true story about how a Windjammer cruise ship sailed right into a Cat 5 hurricane, partially because the owner was an arrogant asshole.

The ending is not happy of course.

Rocket City Rednecks is on NatGeo. ....The cool thing about that show, is seeing a young rocket scientist and his geek buddies playing around, using advanced-level science to do funny garage-projects.

And it explodes the myth that "people with Southern accents are dumb".

if i may?

i lived in sardinia, italy for six years and did some time in the harbor patrol

all the islands off the main coast have steep jagged rocks just waiting for someone to not be paying attention, we actually put our rhibs agound more than once...even in waters we knew well

Hmmm... three recent earthquakes in the area...

The undersea landscape does shift... somthing may have moved... add in some heavey seas and a good 'roller'?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2012 01:52 PM (NtXW4)

The pics from when the ship was just starting to capsize show the seas were very calm.

 "It was so unorganised, our evacuation drill was scheduled for 17:00 (16:00 GMT)," Melissa Goduti, 28, from the US told AP.

It's Italian.  Hello??!!!11!

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 14, 2012 02:13 PM (uIz80)

Okay, that made me laugh.

Ping pong balls, of course.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 01:13 PM (piMMO) 

Me too.  I don't get to fly much, so when I do, I try to buy tickets between destinations with as many layovers as possible, just so I can do it at least twice each way.    I too don't get the people who are so blasé about it.  Gimme a window seat!.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 01:13 PM (piMMO)

You would love taking off from LaGuardia then, you go straight up

Pop corn and duct tape, same way you insulate a house.

And it explodes the myth that "people with Southern accents are dumb".

Posted by: wheatie at January 14, 2012 02:11 PM (Qli+Q)

I love redneck sports because there's always a contest of science application.  Pumpkin chucking, tractor pulling, stock car racing, monster trucks- it's all engineering.

They're Italian so the bridge crew were  probably talking and nobody had their hands on the wheel

It's Italian.  Hello??!!!11!

Yeah, and the trains haven't run on time years either.

This all seems to make a good argument for keeping those big cruisers out in the safety of deeper waters......and ferrying the passengers to shore.

Not as scenic, from the decks of the cruise ships.  But a lot safer.

Geez, how would you even begin to right that ship.

Need a couple of agile plumbers?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 02:16 PM (piMMO)

It was very beautiful. If I recall correctly, it was originally built for a member of European royalty in the 20's.

Too bad it's a bunch of toothpicks scattered along the bottom of the Gulf of Honduras.

 I guess Disney World is not as exotic as a Cruise, but I doubt it will sink.

Yeh, but the idea of giraffes pissing on my balcony is worrying.

The pics from when the ship was just starting to capsize show the seas were very calm.

Posted by: fozzy at January 14, 2012 02:15 PM (FEzSe)

Hmmm... this it the Med as well... don't remember being big seas there like in the Pacific or Atlantic... but its been a lot of beers, I mean years since I sailed those Waters...

Like... oh... last Millenium?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 14, 2012 02:25 PM (niZvt)

This is very true. I went on a cruise with Dolphin Cruise Line. They're fleet are all smaller and older ships.

The cruise I went on had only 500 passengers and it seemed like we knew half of them by name by midweek.

The smaller the cruise ship, the better.

Heh, I moved down here from Hunstville, AL, also known as the Rocket City. Many of Von Braun's team liked it up there so much, they stayed after they retired.

Bet none of they drove metallic mint green 1964 Buick Skylark convertibles though.

255Heh, I moved down here from Hunstville, AL, also known as the Rocket City. Many of Von Braun's team liked it up there so much, they stayed after they retired.

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That show, Rocket City Rednecks, is located there at Huntsville. Hence the name. .....The main guy, Travis Taylor, is a rocket scientist who does work for NASA, JPL too, I think. And all his buddies are geniuses too.....his dad is on there too, and helps them with their projects. He worked on the Apollo missions.

I'm not clicking on the link at Instapundit to a story about a fake penis getting someone fired.

Even reading that much is TMI.

@258, CoolCzech,

I know what you mean. ....I've never been on a big cruise liner. Yet. Been tempted to go on one at times. .....But when it came down to it, the thought of surrendering all control over my life for several days just sort of overcame the prospect of an endless buffet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 14, 2012 02:34 PM (uIz80)

I've never heard that.

It'd be fucked up if you were stumbling around drunk after the discotheque closed at 3 a.m. and The Feral Kid jumps out of an air vent and tries to kill you for your wallet.

Hence the name.

Well, I'll be sheep-dipped. Ima's from that area too.

Right before I moved down here, I worked at MSFC with a bunch of guys who were there in the old Mercury, Gemini and Apollo days. The building was the old Gemini assembly building.

And I know I've told y'all my boss was Charlie Yeager, Chuck's second cousin. Good times. Cool place to work too. There was all kinds of old spacesuits, prototypes and just, well, NASA stuff everywhere in that building. Part of a Skylab training module was wrapped up in plastic just sitting in a corner.

Built a full-scale mock-up of a propsed (this was in '87) Science Module for the current Space Station while I was there. I think it's still on the tour, along with the Habitation Module mock-up.

@279....BackwardsBoy.

Well, hell.....you might even recognize Travis's dad. I forget his name. ....It's a cool show, if you haven't watched it. I get a kick out of it.

I need to friend a Moron on Facebook.

I just got the funniest pitcure of a feminist rally with a guy standing way off the the background and holding up a sign that reads, "Iron my shirt, bitch!"

It's probably old, tho.

Uh oh:

Authorities were looking at why the ship didn't hail a mayday during the accident near the Italian island of Giglio on Friday night, officials said. The ship is owned by Genoa-based Costa Cruises.

"At the moment we can't exclude that the ship had some kind of technical problem, and for this reason moved towards the coast in order to save the passengers, the crew and the ship. But they didn't send a mayday. The ship got in contact with us once the evacuation procedures were already ongoing," Del Santo said prior to the announcement of the arrest.

Well, hell.....you might even recognize Travis's dad. I forget his name. ....It's a cool show, if you haven't watched it. I get a kick out of it.

I just might recognize him. I went to HS up there with a Mike Taylor. I'll have to check it out.

When I was eight I saw an old WWII amphibious plane crash on takeoff on Diamond Lake in MI.  Everyone got out before the plane sank. The plane went down pretty quickly.  When they came to salvage it, scuba divers filled it with bladders and filled the bladders whith air. The bladders pushed the water out of the plane and it rose to the surface.

I imagine that they will seal the holes and do something similar.  It is in a shallow depth so pressure should not be too big of an issue.

Dirk Pitt raised the Titanic back in the 70s and that was really deep.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 14, 2012 02:48 PM (Qjh0I)

That's interesting. I actually considered getting a job on a cruise ship as a casino dealer because I was told by an actual dealer that if you were American and could shuffle a deck of cards, you could get a job.

I can see how it could be a wierd communal thing. I'm definitely not up for the "company store."

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 14, 2012 02:48 PM (Qjh0I)

I was wondering if there was any cougar action on those cruises.

For those of you on the fence about taking a cruise, lemme just say a couple words:

Topless. Sun. Decks.

For those of you on the fence about taking a cruise, lemme just say a couple words:

Topless. Sun. Decks.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 14, 2012 02:57 PM (4q5tP)

That's three words. About two things. Where the ticket booth?

The Titanic would be considered a medium size ship in displacement compared to the Concordia and there are even bigger ships out there.

I drive past Port Canaveral when I have gigs over on the coast. There's some damn big ships there sometimes, the Disney and Carnival ones.

I've heard from several friends who've been on cruises that they're a lot of fun and the food's pretty good.

The Titanic would be considered a medium size ship in displacement compared to the Concordia and there are even bigger ships out there.

Hey baby, I'm packing a Concordia here.

Been there. Done that.

Posted by: the improper soothsayer at January 14, 2012 02:41 PM (sqkOB)

Hey!

Topless. Sun. Decks.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 14, 2012 02:57 PM

Topless. Sun. Decks.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 14, 2012 02:57 PM (4q5tP)

I never did make it to the top deck.

Might have to strap it down for that trip.

It's probably old, tho.

Real old...but a classic.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 03:08 PM (piMMO)

Action flick.  Think Dirk Pitt was plyed by Brian Dennehy

It was very beautiful. If I recall correctly, it was originally built for a member of European royalty in the 20's.

Too bad it's a bunch of toothpicks scattered along the bottom of the Gulf of Honduras.

Wasn't she a steel hull? I read today that they think it sank in about 1500' of water. Seems they could raise her.

I never did make it to the top deck.

Might have to strap it down for that trip.

While wearing an Italian designer bananna hammock?  Most impressive.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 14, 2012 03:00 PM (kaalw)

It was a false-flag operation executed by the US, which is so eager to wage war against Iran!  Don't you remember the Lusitania?  

*sarc*

Wasn't she a steel hull? I read today that they think it sank in about 1500' of water. Seems they could raise her.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 14, 2012 03:13 PM (piMMO)

That's right, she was a steel hull (been years since I read the book.)

There might not be much left other than that tho, which is a shame. She was almost certainly dismasted.

309 Iran?

Damned interesting if it's true. I'll be giving it the 24-hour Treatment, but with this excuse for an administration, we'll never hear the truth from them anyways.

Still, if Iran did this, they'd be inviting trouble, and a metric fuck-ton of it at that. Sure would be nice to know what the other side of the hull, the part that's underwater, looks like. If it has a hole that appears to be from an explosion, then all bets are off.

I'm confused about Russia's role in this, 'tho. I thought they were Iranian allies, kinda, sorta.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 14, 2012 03:00 PM (kaalw)

Modern torpedoes don't hit the ship, they blow up underneath and let the bubble formed by the explosion do the damage... it literaly breaks a ship in half...

Unless there is other damage somewhere, and the gash we see was caused when it was coming in to beach itself (possible)... I can't see that damage being caused by a torpedo...

Too bad it wasn't the italian island of Gigilo. Then we would know where all the women are.

Too soon?

The boy makes me feel things that aren't quite, uh, Christian.

He was on the NFL channel all moring at the gym while I tortured myself on the machines. I think I may have found my carrot on a stick.

Except he may be a little of a butthimface. Because I'm a woman of experience and some maturity, I can overlook that due to his other potential ...........attributes.

Posted by: Capt. Billy Bob at January 14, 2012 03:32 PM (j+Izh)

Yep. I was driving a 30' Chris Craft that didn't belong to me at full throttle when the depth finder went from 25' to 5'. I wheeled that cocksucker over right quick!

I remember taking off and landing at LaGuardia at sunset. At the time, it felt so low and slow as if I could touch the skyscrapers of Manhattan. They were all golden, reflecting the setting sun. Post 9/11, those days are gone...

Here's an example of my vast geographical knowledge...

Layover in Newark, NJ on the way to Ohio again, on approach, start seeing the beginnings of a town outside my window seat. What seems like twenty minutes later, the buildings are getting bigger and bigger, thinking, "Shit, this place is pretty big, whatever it is."

Then the Twin Towers come into view...

Duh!

How the fuck do you salvage that thing? 

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at January 14, 2012 03:39 PM (hXJOG)

That depends on how much money they want to spend on salvaging it. It can be refloated, it just depends on whether it's worth it or not.

I know that's kind of an obvious answer but my guess is that they at least try. It's only 6 years old and cost 450 million Euros (whatever the hell that is in U.S. dollers) to build.

Posted by: eman at January 14, 2012 02:34 PM (dWuuB)

A number of years ago, I was flying back from Scotsdale, AZ, after a training seminar when the jet-liner I was in had to go down through a thunderstorm in order to land.  After the pilot warned us, he put that beast into a hard bank and then steep dive.  The aircraft was bouncing around pretty badly and even the stewardesses flight attendants were a little freaked out. 

I hate flying with a white-hot hatey hate anyway and that experience just about put me over the edge.  Once I got on the ground, I had a couple drinks.  On second thought, since it gave me an excuse to drink Scotch maybe it wasn't so bad afterall.

If the crew doesn't have their sh!t together, if things go sideways the passengers are screwed.  From what little I've read, it doesn't seem the crew on that ship knew what they were doing and left the passengers to fend for themselves after the ship listed. 

I know that's kind of an obvious answer but my guess is that they at least try. It's only 6 years old and cost 450 million Euros (whatever the hell that is in U.S. dollers) to build.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 14, 2012 03:49 PM (M0NzJ)

I think I read that they hadn't had the lifeboat drill yet too, since it was the first day out. So that was kind of bad timing.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2012 03:55 PM (Y+DPZ)

As fucked up as that gash is, it can be sealed and even if it isn't watertight, as long as the pumps can keep more water out than what is coming in, it can be towed.

And BTW, I'm no marine engineer either, I've just read a shit-ton of maritime disaster books, so I'm going off of that.

I could be completely full of shit.

I hunt for the demarcation every time I fly.

Heh, back home in Alabama, red clay is the normal color north of about Montgomery.

Legend has it that some foreign car company did some research on the clay in that area many years ago, looking for just the right formula for ceramic engine parts.

I went to a mud drag race they had set up in the Von Braun Civic Center one time when B'Boy² was little. They used the local stuff and had a pre-race contest to see who could run or crawl across the track to the end. One good ol' boy got stuck in that stuff nearly up to his waist and delayed everything for nearly an hour while they tried to pull him out.

You are posting at AoSHQ with the morons, the odds are high that you are.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at January 14, 2012 04:07 PM (hXJOG)

It's funny because it's true!

In my defense, I grew up around boats and plan on buying a 25'-30' sailboat in the next couple years.

That's certainly nothing like a freaking 952' cruise ship. That's just stupid big.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2012 04:08 PM (Y+DPZ)

Well, using rocks as weapons WOULD fit the muzzies M.O.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 14, 2012 03:53 PM (hiMsy)

There's a visible piece of the rock spur sticking in the hull, so I think Iranian torpedoes or Al Qaida mines are pretty well ruled out.

There's also a substantial part of the hull that we can't see. If there's a different hole in that side, well, there's your sign, as Bill Engvall would say, were he here.

The 24-Hour Rule still applies.

Posted by: DaveA at January 14, 2012 04:03 PM (t/mAc)

Weird thing is that the ship lies on its other side...

The water filled compartments should be on the side of the ship pointing DOWN... we should not be able to see the damage unless the ship somehow rolled onto its undamaged side while beaching... which seems pretty odd.. I don't know if Cruise ships have the ability to counter flood comparmtments...

But the way it lies seems odd... unless it was running into things as it came into the beach?... which means we do not really know yet where the damage we see came from...

Could be the origional grounding... could be while beaching.. can't really say from what we know so far...

How many decks are flooded?

Looks like all of them from the pics, even the Topless. Sun. Deck.

A lot of spumoni ice cream going to waste. And tons of gabba gool.

Well, using rocks as weapons WOULD fit the muzzies M.O.

Yeah, I also doubt they would have the latest and greatest in torpedo tech, unless Russia has helped them more than I thought.

I don't know if Cruise ships have the ability to counter flood comparmtments...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2012 04:23 PM (NtXW4)

Not the big one that I was on, at least not that I could see.

We had the cheap cabins near the waterline and the hallways were as wide as you'd find in a regular hotel with no self-sealing hatches.

I don't know what it was like on the lower decks but if it was a wide open engine compartment, which it might have been since it's near the stern, the force of the spraying water may have rocketed over to the starboard side of the ship causing that side to sink first.

Again, just speculation.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 14, 2012 04:39 PM (loM0R)

That makes more sense than my idea.

I'm going with pilot error. I read in one of those articles that they were maneuvering around the island toward the bay at cruising speed which is 21 knots.

That still doesn't sound right.

Two Questions.

1. Is the capitaine Jewish?

2. Behind to the right of the orange lighthouse looks like an oilrig. Are they equipped with missile launchers?

Ugh, the more I look at the pictures the more I think it's a total loss.

If it's a sandy bottom, the tide will move it around and bury it deeper.

The captain is is fucked.

I know I thought it could be refloated but damn.