Some people  where talking about taxing the rich  in the other thread.  It's easy to want to tax Hollywood and other rich people for voting for Obama and basically being hypocrites.   But doesn't   supporting tax   increases on the rich  by  conservatives  just   make  free-market supporting people hypocrites  as well?   

We'll never have economic justice either way.   Hollywood types will always find a way to get out of paying their taxes  because of loopholes  and of course making friends with the right people. 

Today  I  filed  papers  to  again  run  for  NJ  Governor.   Neither  Springsteen  or  my  lord  and  savior  at  the  WH  have  called  to  encourage  me.  So  depressed  I'll  finish  the  Thanksgiving  leftovers  myself.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 26, 2012 04:03 PM (4Lo/K)

Don't know but she can act surprisingly well -- see Winter's Bone for an example.

This is a great great title.  I remember reading on CNBC that DC was the top area for growing businesses.

Not Palo Alto, not silicon valley.  Not any other area of the country known for innovation.

DC, land of the parasites...  Great.

"14 People in DC are also more attractive."

Like Maxine Waters and Debbie Wasserman Fufu. 

AllenG:

I responded in the last post.

So DC = District 9?

Yes

Test- 

Boy, if I could get my home IP released from pixy limbo I could post some insightful yet witty commentary...to whom do I prostrate myself?

(not prostate you morons!)

37:

Seriously, hot chicks only!!!  Waxman looks like a squirrel...

Didnt Caesar rob the provences to build magnificent buildings in Rome?

The proles loved his shit.

"My Obama-bot father loved the "Hunger Games" movie. He thought it represented the struggle of the little guy against the Republican 1-percenters. Really, he said that."

I feel ya'.  I spent all weekend having my head Bizarro-fucked by my  socialist  parents.  How do so many otherwise-normal people interpret the obvious so bass-ackwardly?  I will never, ever get it.

Wait- don't you live in DC now Ace?

BURN THE WITCH!

EC - 28:

Philosophically I agree with you but in practice I disagree.

People need to understand what it means to support these crazy ideas.  We need to make those people who are always calling for tax hikes feel the brunt of it, and hard.

Own it assholes, here is what you're voting for.  And this is not without precedent. This was done after WWII!!!

As a compromise I would be willing to exempt the first $250k of gross revenues from the movie industry.

OTHERWISE, OWN IT!!!!  Seriously, only by experiencing the pain of their own idiocy are we going to change minds and beliefs here.  Make them pay, it's what they wanted and voted for.

In the meantime, we need to reduce burden on job creators as much as possible as well as investors.

28...I get that we want to punish the libs in Hollywood. I disagree with a Hollywood tax. I would rather starve them by not watching their shit......or torrenting the shit out of it.

Posted by: EC at November 26, 2012 04:08 PM (GQ8sn)

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Just wait till Hollywood gets a bailout.

England has a 'TV tax'....so I'm sure that Hollywood would love to see that happen here.

And I think that they will probably be going after 'torrenting' now, bigtime.

With prosecutions and crucifixions, to make examples out of people.

Posted by: Olaf at November 26, 2012 04:15 PM (t1NLo)

'going Galt' is your code term for cornholing you with a fire hose while your Mom watches?

tomorrow, maybe..

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 26, 2012 04:14 PM (QupBk)

Isn't that a violatio of the no poetry edict? If we are gonna post poetry, I'm gonna put up Kipling's Recessional.

Wheatie:

Really, what is the TV tax based on?  And what does it go to support?

Amishdude:

Absolutely!!  Scum of the earth and a huge, huge problem and drain on society.

"I get that we want to punish the libs in Hollywood. I disagree with a Hollywood tax. I would rather starve them by not watching their shit......or torrenting the shit out of it."

I  have  pretty much stopped going to the movies.  I cannot bear to see most of the Hollywood liberals on film.  I know that   Hollywood  has always been   pretty liberal,  but at least they used to show   some class.  Now all we have   are   people like Obama-worshipping Foxx,  Cher,  Matt Damon(who is cute but a shithead Democrat), and Sean Penn.  I don't have a problem with boycotting or refusing to see their movies.  Punishment through the markets is better than punishment through the government---who  will probably find a way to reward the   idiots in Hollywood somehow. 

This Obama personality cult stuff and the explosive growth and centralization of federal power are creeping me the hell out. So does the primetime airing of an Oliver Stone Showtime special rehabilitating Joseph Stalin, of all people. So does the active collusion of press and government that hides real unemployment figures, inflation rates, and literally bloody scandals.

Call me paranoid and conspiratorial, but I get the palpable sense this is all leading somewhere--where, I don't exactly know. Nowhere good.

91:

Yep, me too.  Give it to them good.  Even some dems voted Romney because they know that Zero has fucked up the economy something good over the last 4 years.

But still a lot of people blamed bush.  That excuse won't be around next time.  Make them fucking own it...

95 Wheatie:

 

Really, what is the TV tax based on? And what does it go to support?

It's a tax that the people in England pay...and it goes to support the BBC.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 26, 2012 04:21 PM (tVTLU)

Supports BBC in England, and they have ways of finding out if you are cheating and not paying your bills. They have people going around and checking to make sure your not "stealing" the signal.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 26, 2012 04:21 PM (tVTLU)

De-lurking for a moment...when I was stationed over in the United Kingdom during the 1990s, anyone who watched tv had to pay it.  There is one for color television and one for black and white television (which is about 100 pounds cheaper).  Anyway, the tv tax is used to pay for the BBC.  There is also the Road Tax and MOT.  They taxed for everything!

"But still a lot of people blamed bush. That excuse won't be around next time."

Yes,  it  will.   We are going to blame him until the end of the Republic.  Which may be about four   years from now.  Well,   unless the Mayans were right.

/MTG

Wheatie:

Is it based on a number of TVs owned, or just having service in the first place?

The BBC is the worst.  I'd rather fund 100 big birds!!  BBC refused to put a statue of George Orwell out front because they said he was too liberal!!

Now that is some brilliant newspeak for you from the biggest leftist/statist outlet out there.

"tysons corner mall?

hmmm....

not quite rodeo drive, yo"

Want to know how I know you haven't been in those parts of LA (or likely NYC) lately?

FWIW, I travel a great deal - and there is no city in NA w/the growth & development of the greater DC area. None.

The transformation of America is complete - folks here just haven't realized it yet...

Posted by: Percival at November 26, 2012 04:29 PM (Kflw4)

Helen Mirren in 'The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover'. She is amazing at any age.

I keep coming on  these threads to try some way to put my heartbreak for this country into words.  All I feel, though, is anger.  Is there no one in DC that gives a shit beyond their own gain anymore?  I'm even starting to lose faith in the so-called conservatives there.  Not that they don't believe in conservatism, but that their voices are being completely silenced.

One voice, one rule.

Bannion:

What a GREAT CS Lewis quote.  I actually started reading again last night, first in the Game of Thrones series.

I haven't read for pleasure in forever since my job requires so much reading.  And I quit smoking, I think this time for good!!  Did anyone else feel the nicotine leave their body, it's kind of like my eyeballs are tingling or something crazy.

 AD:

Yeah I know, but your comment re all seven made me laugh out loud!!  hilarious.

AngieNC:

Really?  Very sorry to hear that.

141 Wheatie:

Is it based on a number of TVs owned, or just having service in the first place?

I really don't know the details.

I just know that it has been in place for decades...to fund the govt-run BBC, which is now very liberal.

The BBC used to be rather conservative, though...and outlawed Rock and Roll, in it's early days.

But now the conservative thought-police has been taken over by the liberal thought-police.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 26, 2012 04:34 PM (zpqa2)

GOP ruined their own brand. Fiscal conservtives? It is to laugh. The Bushes made that shit a bad joke.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 04:39 PM (OQpzc)

Exactly. Conservatives tried the "rebuild from within" idea and as expected, it amounted to turd-polishing. Are we really going to keep trying?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 04:37 PM (QxSug)

I really wanted Romney to win, to buy me time for the end, but that third debate sucked balls. He might as well have greased his own ass and bent over the table. It was cringe worthy, and pathetic.

I had to convice myself he was lying to the fence sitters, and not me.

166:

I do fear for that shit.  And the sad fact is that they all act as if they are soooo intelligent...

One reason I was initially drawn, as a yoot, to writing and commentary by conservatives, though I never was and never will be a con at heart, was because they analogized present events and conditions to smart-guy historical, literary, and philosophical stuff, about which they seemed knowledgeable. They quoted Juvenal and Maimonides while the other guys quoted Neil Young and TV commercials and Cheech & Chong. Cons were intellectuals (the real kind) and their lefty counterparts were loopy celebrity-culture dipshits (and still are). So I could take cons seriously, but not libs. And that stuck with me.

Do any of you who existed in the '70s and '80s remember when/if it was like that? That's what I *think* I remember, but I may be wrong.

Anyway, Glenn's column makes a fine point that I frequently make myself--or at least I think it does. But I don't know what The Hunger Games is. I'm not a teenage girl. "It's a thing for teenage girls" is *everything* I know about it. And his *reliance* on the reference, and on the reader's familiarity with it, makes me think he's a loopy celebrity-culture dipshit.

This isn't his fault alone; like he says, its an analogy that's already appeared conservative commentary. You guys are trying to make it A Thing, I guess. But--what thing? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

And really, up on the meta, now that the popular media is a wall-to-wall other-partisan circlejerk, maybe it's the *worst possible time* for you opposition guys to be talking like you're totally down with it--and your readers have to be down with it, too, to know what you're talking about.

I mean, that book has only sold a few hundred thousand copies, and the movie only sold a few million tickets. *More people* would get an analogy to the Roman conquest of England (or a quote from a Dead Kennedys song) than will get a reference to The Hunger Games. So why be all dipshitty?

...It's probably just a personal peeve, but I've noticed this sort of thing happening more often lately than it used to, and it always seems so dissonant and dorky and dumb. Appealing to "LIVs" and *being dumb* are uncorrelated. Idiots loved Reagan, and he was a Shakespeare-droppin' motherfucker. They *liked* when he did that.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 26, 2012 04:39 PM (4Lo/K)

What's not to like? Helen Mirren, sex, gangsters, cannibalism...? Imagine the pitch meeting for that flick.

Posted by: KJB at November 26, 2012 04:22 PM (ZhB0u)

THIS!

I've worked for over a dozen years as a defense contractor for various large and small consulting firms.  The usual MO for the Alaskan Native Corporations (one of which bought out my old employer) is to start a consulting business (or buy a struggling one), grow it with set aside contracts until is exceeds SBA revenue and employee limits, then start the process all over again. 

hannity's hybrid:

I would tend to agree, if the GOP cannot come up with a candidate that came from regular, middle class America that can speak to what the American dream really is, then we are truly and totally fucked and a third party might be called for.

But limited federal government conservative principles should unite us all, including the Ron Paul folks.  Hell, if I was a pub candidate I would pledge to make Ron Paul the secretary of Treasury and Rand Paul the attorney fucking general.

That's why Reagan was so great, he was true and true a conservative.  Even herbert walker bush knew that as he told Gorby.

The country club types that run the establishment are there at our fucking whims.  They need to remember that shit.  we don't really care about the higher taxes on the rich crap as much as we hate the class warfare garbage.

If these idiots really had a plan to balance the budget and pay off the debt most conservatives would be ok with a little more taxes.

It's just ALL A LIE.  We need real conservatives with real backgrounds to run in 2016.

Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016!!!!!!!!!!!

Just my two cents.

Posted by: pep at November 26, 2012 04:49 PM (6TB1Z)

I'm happy to have him as governor. He really is a decent human.

Republic of Texas to do worse. Like some shit heel that Rove likes.

Again with the hind-sight ,blame Romney crap.  Almost everyone except his harshest critics thought Romney had run a very good campaign evidenced by the rallys, polls and yes , the debates.   The election results were a surprise to everyone on both sides.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 04:51 PM (OQpzc)

You do know it was Rove that convinced Perry to change from Democrat to Republican right?

Mises, Hayek, and Friedman should be REQUIRED READING in high school advanced/college econ. classes.

Period.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 26, 2012 04:51 PM (tVTLU)

Marco Rubio will disappoint you. He is the same kind of smarmy asshole as McCain.

Uh-oh. Just unwrapped my last office Twinkie. How long until the Chinese rescue us from our barren Twinkie-less wasteland?

This thread has a sort of politcal theme, so let me throw some of my recent conclusions, looking at election data for the states, vs 2008.  Here are some curious facts:

(1) There were 7.5% fewer votes in 2012 vs. 2008. 75% of that drop occurred in BLUE states, 18% occurred in RED states, and only 7% of that drop was from swing states.

(2) Turnout was only down 1.7% in swing states, and half of that was due to MI, which probably should be called a BLUE state.  It was down 15% in BLUE states, and 4% in RED states.

(3) 40% of the drop in turnout was from CA alone.  CA had a 29% drop.  Obama lost 32% there, while the Republican side lost 27%.  15% of the drop was NY, which was down 19% (R and D both dropped 20%, 3rd party was up 14%).

(4) 3rd party voting was up 17% (30% in RED states, 11% in RED, 13% in swing).

(5) Obama did worse in all but 4 states.  He gained 8% in AK, since Palin wasn't running this time. He also gained 1.5% or less in NJ (due to the storm), and LA and MS (where there was apparently Katrina-based storm sympathy).

(6) Obama lost 18% of his votes in BLUE states, 10% in REDs, and 6% in swing states.  Republicans lost 12% of their votes in BLUE states, but only 0.4% in RED (because there was a lower turnout in AK and AZ, Palin's and McCain's states).  Republicans GAINED 2.7% more votes in the swing states.

(7) In swing states, Republican votes went up 12% in NV and WI, and Obama lost 13% in MI, 11% in PA, and 8% in OH.

( Aside from MI (which followed the trend of the BLUE states), OH and PA were the only swing states that lost over 1% in turnout (both lost over 5%), and these were the only two swing states where the Republican lost votes (3.0% and 1.4%, respectively).

Posted by: polynikes at November 26, 2012 04:54 PM (m2CN7)

An Perry remained pure anyway. Must have made Rove sad.

Posted by: polynikes at November 26, 2012 04:53 PM (m2CN7)

I think most of us thought Romney ran a campaign that was "good enough for government work" not that he ran a "very good campaign".  He missed so many obvious points that could have been meaningfully critiqued and exposed to the dumocracy voters via the debates, but instead chose to look like he wasn't interested in pointing out areas of substantive policy difference between him and the Obamaster.

No presidential campaign rests upon a single issue like "jobs" and a "growing economy".

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 04:58 PM (OQpzc)

If by pure you mean, opportunistic, yes Perry is as pure as the driven snow.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 04:59 PM (hNXHo)

The music of apocalypse will be metal.

Here's one I like:

ARCH ENEMY - My Apocalypse (OFFICIAL VIDEO)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZM-d2qD15E

Posted by: mallfly at November 26, 2012 05:00 PM (bJm7W)

I'm partial to Wagner's "Der Fliegende Hollander"!

AngieNC:

Field dress a deer, fantastic!!  Well best of luck regardless, just didn't want to see your business be negatively affected by this bs.

223...If by pure you mean, opportunistic, yes Perry is as pure as the driven snow.

Posted by: polynikes at November 26, 2012 05:01 PM (m2CN7)

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So you think that Romney isn't "opportunistic"?

One of the basic things of being good at business...is being 'opportunistic'.

I don't understand you, polynikes.

You live in Texas, right?

Texas has flourished under Rick Perry...so I simply do not understand your hatred towards him.

Posted by: polynikes at November 26, 2012 05:01 PM (m2CN7)

I fully support Rick Perry. You must not have delved into all the prep he's done. Or you are a fucktard.

One of those.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 26, 2012 05:05 PM (wwsoB)

And as long as the repubs accept the bastardization of the language by the dems and refuse to correct them, we are screwed.  Prime example is the term "Bush Tax Cuts" which should always be corrected by a repub as "Oh, you mean the current Obama tax rates that need to be increased!" 

"It is racist to call Susan Rice incompetent!", followed by "Would you say that Condoleeza Rice was a competent Sec State?"

Other Examples abound.

Posted by: wheatie at November 26, 2012 05:10 PM (ICEh3)

I don't hate Perry. Texas has flourished in spite of Perry. Right now Texas is on the downswing.  Ask AllenG why he voted for Medina in the primary.  There are a number of things I disagree on with Perry policy wise.  And one thing I never said during the primary because it would hurt him if it became a meme, is that he is not the sharpest tool in the shed.  Unfortunately he proved that himself.  And no it wasn't the pain pills.  I've seen Perry stumble and bumble way before the presidential primary.  That said I voted for him everytime because he ran in Texas as he was unfortunately the best of the lot that could defeat the Democrat challenger.

236 we need a seance to get advice from  lee atwater

Harvey Leroy Atwater...was a political genius.

He used to get in fights with the old Republican guard, of his day.

Lee Atwater knew that you had to fight 'dirty for dirty'...and not be squeamish about fighting the left using their own tactics.

I think if Lee Atwater were still alive today, he would've been screaming at Romney to take off the white kid gloves and hit'em between the eyes.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 26, 2012 04:33 PM (TYO2p)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 26, 2012 05:19 PM (TIIx5)

Baccarin 2012. She couldn't do any worse and she is ethereally beautiful.

Basically, 15% of the BLUE state voters didn't show, and 2% of the ones that did switched over to Republican. In the Red states, 10% of the people voting Democrat didn't show, and that resulted in Red state turnout being down 4%.

In the swing states, Romney made the biggest gains in the states where he was the furthest behind, which was kind of ass-backwards.