December 09, 2012
— DrewM This is so stupid, only a Republican could think of it.
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said Sunday that he’s “beginning to believe” that falling in line with President Obama’s call to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, then shifting the focus to reforming entitlements “is the best route for us to take” on the “fiscal cliff.”“There is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don’t have a lot of cards on the tax issue before year end,” Corker said on “Fox News Sunday.” He continued: “A lot of people are putting forth a theory, and I actually think it has merit, where you go ahead give the president the two percent increase that he is talking about — the rate increase on the top two percent — and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements.”
Let me sum up:
Step 1: Unconditional surrender to Obama and the Democrats
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Massive entitlement reform that neither Obama nor any Democrat wants.
Why it's so obvious!
How exactly does giving in to Obama strengthen Republican's hand in getting entitlement reform?
The biggest problem Republicans in Congress have (other than being jackasses who couldn't negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag) is they are acting as if Obama really wants a deal and to get the deficit and debt under control. Hint: he DOESN"T.
What leverage will the GOP have after the fiscal cliff is off the table? The "debt ceiling"? You mean the thing that the GOP caved on two years ago and the only thing they got out of it was....the fiscal cliff we're not dying to avoid?
Yeah, they'll totally get it right this time. Just one more surrender and then Victory!
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Posted by: rrpjr at December 09, 2012 02:14 PM (iayld)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 09, 2012 02:18 PM (GVxQo)
chair? I would like to Move that we change the name of the Grand Ole Party (GOP) to Dumb Ole Party Establishment.... or DOPE....
Can I get a second?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2012 02:19 PM (lZBBB)
If the powers that be would quit stealing the money there would be ample funds.
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 09, 2012 02:20 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 02:24 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 02:24 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: CraigPoe at December 09, 2012 02:26 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 02:27 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at December 09, 2012 02:27 PM (E1Vkf)
He can pay me now so that down the road we can discuss that his payment was towards something that actually was up for sale in the first place.
Posted by: WheelmanForHire at December 09, 2012 02:27 PM (l8nIR)
Why fight a raging house fire with a bottle of Perrier?
"reforming entitlements "
The Fed has printed and handed to their cronies out more money than all the S.S. recipients will ever receive and he's talking making old people poorer.
By the way, we owe that money the insiders gave to their friends and colleagues to the Fed.
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 09, 2012 02:28 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 02:28 PM (85EaA)
The situation will not change until Choom Boy and every worthless leech in D.C. has been swept away. That includes ridding the government of all their enablers in the various branches who are also slurping greedily at the public teat.
Of course it also means doing away with all the weak-kneed eunuchs in the media who support them (both on their side and -- supposedly -- ours) as well.
We don't have the will to do that. So we are doomed to sit by and watch as our once-great nation is transformed into a third-world shithole that will take its place among loser countries like Kenya, Zimbabwe and North Korea.
The Lords of Washington may "own" the collapse, but it is we who will suffer it.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 09, 2012 02:29 PM (yKUrR)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 06:24 PM (yiIja)
It really is rather astounding along with letting Obama's uwise choices bury us , Are they just going for the LIB also?
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 02:30 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 02:31 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Libra at December 09, 2012 02:32 PM (kd8U8)
Can I get a second? Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2012 06:19 PM
Thread winner, and seconded
Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2012 02:32 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Laffin_fool at December 09, 2012 02:32 PM (lmRB1)
Posted by: Tregonsee at December 09, 2012 02:32 PM (QnBmw)
Posted by: kartoffel at December 09, 2012 02:32 PM (OgNv0)
Posted by: huerfano at December 09, 2012 02:32 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: zippy at December 09, 2012 02:32 PM (n422X)
The Lords of Washington may "own" the collapse, but it is we who will suffer it.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 09, 2012 06:29 PM (yKUrR)
Oh i just imagine them fluffing their nest eggs , when tshtf they can takeoff and enjoy a life of leisure.
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 02:33 PM (nqBYe)
Step 2: Tax revenue collapse
This is slow burn strategy that always plays well with the populist public. But the public is stupid and believes this will actually increase revenue. The media, the president, dopes like Krugman are all telling them so.
You can't fight that perception with words, it can only be fought with adverse results, and even then the Democrats trot out the "fairness" card in defense of failures.
I think Corker is saying the "Tax the rich" hill isn't the one to die on because all the perception influencing mechanisms are lined up against you.
Of course bleeding the rich doesn't result in entitlement reforms, because they lie and would repudiate any deals down the road. Indeed, entitlement reform isn't even Step 3 -- lowering the bar on what constitutes "the rich" is Step 3 after tax revenue declines.
The mechanisms to accomplish that are already in place and being activated. AMT, inflation, non-progressive taxes/fees/surtaxes, etc.
The Democrats, "rich" rhetoric aside, know where the money is and they're already preparing to come after it. The public won't believe its happening until they get the tax bill though and start feeling the squeeze.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 02:33 PM (2RJQo)
Police Called When Crowd Signing Up For Housing List Gets 'Out Of Control'
http://tinyurl.com/b3wrpk7
Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2012 02:35 PM (wwsoB)
I have a new policy of pretending that I temporarily live in France. I don't get upset by what I see going on around me because it's no longer my country. Instead of stressed out, it just makes all of the problems around me interesting local color.
"Gee, New France sure spends a lot of borrowed money."
"Wow, there are sure a lot of illegal immigrants burning cars over here in New France."
My strategy will work, at least until they come for my children or guns.
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 09, 2012 02:35 PM (MNWe/)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 02:37 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 02:37 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 02:38 PM (bxiXv)
That may be their plan to the extent they have any, but where exactly is going to be 'safe.' The rest of the world is significantly less interested in anyone's rights, much less foreigners, than we are.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2012 02:38 PM (hO9ad)
It really is rather astounding along with letting Obama's uwise choices bury us , Are they just going for the LIB also?
They won't get burned. They'll make sure they and their families will never be harmed by the collapse. It will only be we the people who get burned.
We have managed to install into power the very people responsible for our demise. We are fucking idiots.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 02:39 PM (yiIja)
You've nailed the problem. Just like all the other BS floating by, the Congress (or the President) may "own" the recession, but they'll never pay a dime in fees, regulation compliance costs, or taxes because of it. They'll expire or retire sucking on the special government teat that they designed just in case it all goes to hell.
I have made it a rule to put all guns in the gun safe on Sunday AM, because I can't afford to replace another HD TV.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 02:39 PM (Cnqmv)
One big dump that landed on TFG's head on his Asia trip was his attempt to line up a trade alliance that excluded China
The Asian nations refused Obama's offer, and instead joined an alliance set up by China that froze out America
The MBM didn't feel that was a big deal since they ignored it. Historic trip and all that, and how Asians just LOVE TFG
Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2012 02:40 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 02:41 PM (bxiXv)
It is interesting that Republicans can never seem to negotiate the spending cuts and reforms first, with the promise of raising taxes later.
Why do Republicans let Democrats set the agenda in these matters?
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 02:42 PM (1Y+hH)
Now I actually believe that they know exactly what they're doing and only act stupid for the rank and file.
They actually want the same things the Dems want, only slower.
LIB.
Posted by: quarkstud at December 09, 2012 02:43 PM (libqS)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 09, 2012 02:43 PM (GE1+K)
@4: "this apparently is not the hill the GOP is willing to die on.....oh wait......there are no hills!"
Sure there are: (1) abortion, a fight which was decided nearly 40 years ago; and (2) restrictions on CEO compensation.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 02:43 PM (2SX1f)
"Starving the Beast" was Reagan's biggest blunder. Only when the American public is made to pay in full for its own government will it come to realize just how bad thing have gotten.
The Republican's should raise taxes, and well beyond Obama's demands. They should raise taxes and keep raising them until the deficit is eliminated in its entirety; and insist that every future increase in the debt will be paid for in advance by additional taxes.
Only then will the public come to appreciate the advantage of limited government.
There is no other way.
Posted by: Jason at December 09, 2012 02:43 PM (6VB4r)
Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 02:43 PM (z/wx3)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 02:43 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 06:39 PM (Cnqmv)
I imagine if they were held responsible for all the laws regulations they hold us shlubs too , The laws would change quickly to a more representative country.
Methos, yep, and what country won't be affected by our collapse.
Backwards , agree!
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 02:44 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 02:44 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 02:45 PM (nqBYe)
@8: "Only Democrats care about Skin Color"
Yeah, and Michael Steele got his job just on competence. The fact that Rubio is hispanic means nothing; Mia Love wasn't popular because she was black; people don't want to see Alan West advance because he's black; Powell and Rice weren't promoted based on race, etc.
Granted, it's rarely a *solely*-because-of-race thing, but the GOP is just as happy to play racial check-box politics as anyone.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 02:46 PM (2SX1f)
Granted, it's rarely a *solely*-because-of-race thing, but the GOP is just as happy to play racial check-box politics as anyone
You are correct - except that in these cases, the choice is for the patriot.
That ain't happenin in Chicago
Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 02:48 PM (qBLA2)
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 02:48 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Jason at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (6VB4r)
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Why would people in government want people to believe in limited government?
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 02:48 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Bildo at December 09, 2012 02:49 PM (eToum)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 09, 2012 02:49 PM (GE1+K)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 09, 2012 02:49 PM (MNWe/)
Yeah because Mitt and McCain both campaigned aggressively to protect our most defenseless citizens.
Whatever, babykiller.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2012 02:49 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 06:48 PM (85EaA)
Fucking obvious.
And it needs to be repeated because apparently there is a majority in this country that just does not get it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 02:50 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 02:50 PM (qe2/V)
@10: "Funny how exactly no one in DC is advocating anything to boost economic growth or reducing spending. I suppose that's just too far outside of "mainstream" thought anymore."
Which party were you expecting to try that approach? The national socialists, or the international socialists? The Trotskyists or the Leninists?
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 02:51 PM (2SX1f)
Why do Republicans let Democrats set the agenda in these matters?
It's the Brash Boldness of Bullshit. They know that the MFM is on their side and the skrewels have dumbed down the populace. They can say anything, no matter how unrealistic (like TFG raising taxes is "fair") and it will be broadcast as The Gospel and any dissention (like common sense) is "extreme."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 02:51 PM (yiIja)
We can't even get the language straight as the libs have corrupted that so much that you cannot have an intelligent discussion of almost anything.
Pro-abortion -> Pro-choice
Deductions-> Loopholes
Taxes -> Revenue
Awarding No-bid Government Contracts to Cronies -> Goverment Investments "in the future"
Government control of all medical care -> Health Care
etc.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 02:51 PM (Cnqmv)
The 1% in Congress have not only money but power so it is important that all of the incentives that influence their behavior are structured properly. The Congress is the most hated institution in the country so there won't be many people who would be against it.
But the main reason I would like to see this happen is that instead of fighting over how we are going to rob and limit the freedoms of the people we would be arguing about how to rob and limit the freedoms of Congressmen. What is good for the goose...
Posted by: Voluble at December 09, 2012 02:52 PM (qYvEa)
I thought the whole premise of LIB was to give Obama everything he asks for, and watch as the country goes down in flames.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at December 09, 2012 06:27 PM (E1Vkf)
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Glad to help as this is easily explained. You are laboring under the misconception that there is some scenario under which "It" does not burn.
"Let It Burn" is not causation, it is acceptance of the inevitable.
Attempting the repetition of former failed negotiations is stupid. Give them the cliff, they created it, even though they now insist that what they created will bring about disaster.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 02:52 PM (1Y+hH)
No shit, rockmom?!? So, one is not allowed "politically incorrect" opinions on twitter? Very glad I never signed up. That is appalling!
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 02:53 PM (kpCLl)
When Boehner and the GOP had the opportunity to start us toward fiscal sanity and refuse to raise the debt ceiling did they fight?
No, they sought the path of least resistance and cobbled together this grand turd we now call the fiscal cliff.
Now they have to fight over this deal, will they fight?
No, they will cave because they do not have the will to fight, they will instead cobble together a deal wherein the President and the Democrats get what they want now and the GOP will get to fight over what they were promised at a later date.
And when the President reneges on the deal and puts up a fight over the "cuts" he agreed to he will say this or that has changed and he can now not support what he had agreed to previously.
ON AND ON, WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE1
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 02:54 PM (0fxcV)
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2012 02:54 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 09, 2012 02:54 PM (GE1+K)
Even a loser can win when he's up against a defeatist. That's been TFG's secret to success. He will continue to "succeed" until we can get the defeatists on our side the hell out of the way.
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at December 09, 2012 02:55 PM (PtuJp)
I think we all knew they would cave since the day after the election. None of this is much of a surprise other than they open their stupid mouths to pretend they didn't mean to do it all along.
I wouldn't doubt they have already decided who gets to vote yes and who gets to vote no. Its a scam.
The only difference between the two parties is how the spoils of their confiscation gets split.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2012 02:55 PM (n/ubI)
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:45 PM (nqBYe)
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They've gotten away with setting the agenda since Kennedy as far as I can tell. They are able to do so because they control two very powerful and influential institutions, education and media. Democrats have also controlled congress most of the time for the last half-century.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 02:55 PM (1Y+hH)
“What we ought to be working on is the other 93 percent, because even if you do what [Obama] wants to do on tax rates, you only affect 7 percent of the deficit,” Coburn said. “What we have done is spend ourselves into a hole, and we’re not going to raise taxes and borrow money and get out of it.”
“And so will I accept a tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? Yes,” he said.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 09, 2012 02:56 PM (vhwRj)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 09, 2012 02:56 PM (a0nis)
guess we'll see.
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 02:56 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Andy at December 09, 2012 02:56 PM (OZPoa)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 09, 2012 02:58 PM (/1U3u)
This is the Democrat's unstated (for obvious reasons) long term strategy. The whole "tax the rich" thing is just a shiny populist object designed to consume media bandwidth. This was FDR's strategy too. Regressive type taxes/fees/surtaxes that disproportionately impacted the low/middle class increased about 250% with the New Deal.
Obama signaled this within the first two weeks he was in office with tax hikes on booze, tobacco, and gasoline taxes. Now we've got some new regressive medical device taxes as well, so they intend to come after the sick and elderly too.
Like cops say about perps - ignore what they say, watch their hands
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 02:58 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 02:59 PM (kpCLl)
every year Republicans have buckled after first saying ,'Hey we got billions in cuts.'
by the end of the deals it seems as if 40.97 cents was cut.
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 02:59 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: USS Diversity Adams at December 09, 2012 02:59 PM (85EaA)
Does anybody here want to defend Scott Brown's Dodd-Frank vote now? Would it not have been better for him to be principled? What good did his whoring do?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 09, 2012 02:59 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 06:28 PM (85EaA)
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I gave up on Republicans in 2007 and registered "unaffiliated" in Colorado. I did so as Republicans were demonstrating no interest in saving the country from fiscal insolvency.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 02:59 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 02:59 PM (qBLA2)
@60: "With that attitude we can conclusively say mans choice to be dominated has been similarly "decided" and no further debate is needed. "
Exactly how much "debate" do you see going on over it? The only political parties that actually stand for liberty and individual freedom miniscule. Virtually the whole country sits on its hands as rights turned to licenses, etc. The only debates are between "more socialism now" and "much more socialism now" and "stalinism now" or "ridiculous levels of stalinism now".
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 02:59 PM (2SX1f)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 03:01 PM (S+/pH)
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Sure Peaches, but just like me, you can't resist watching it come down. I raise my glass to your sentiment though. Sutter Home Merlot.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 03:01 PM (1Y+hH)
FFS, if the repubs wanted to raise taxes, at least go after democrat constituencies. Dumbasses, architects of their own demise.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2012 03:01 PM (n/ubI)
I think Republican politicians know we are powerless to avoid the cliff and just wanna look like going off the cliff is what they had planned to do.
It's the Pee Wee Herman School of Political Thought. "I meant to do that."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 03:01 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: Bob Corker at December 09, 2012 03:01 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 06:50 PM (qe2/V)
I got suspended for no apparent reason and emailed Twitter demanding an explanation. They said it was a mistake and restored my account. Try that.
Also the twitter banhammer swings both ways. next time someone's in a twit, report them.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 03:02 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 09, 2012 03:02 PM (LPShR)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 03:02 PM (bxiXv)
It burns when I pee on Corker and Bohners face, do I have Sycophantietis!
I wouldn't pee on Obama if he was on fire cause I might get Impotitis and Vaja would laugh herself to death as I took her job.
Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 09, 2012 03:03 PM (1gpX9)
"Let it burn" is an idea. I just hope you're prepared for the real world consequences of that idea. 'Cause it'll make the LA riots look like a walk in the park on a sunny day.
Realistically, it's too late to keep it from burning. Has been too late for at least a decade, more like two or three decades.
Best you can hope for is to lay the ground work for what comes next...and hope that you can avoid 'Kerensky's Mistakes' during the process.
...but you're gonna need lots of body bags before it's all said and done. War, starvation, disease...things like that.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 09, 2012 03:04 PM (WwR1j)
Posted by: Bob Corker at December 09, 2012 03:04 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (uhAkr)
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It is hard to hold to your principles and face defeat. It is much worse to compromise your principles and still face defeat.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 03:04 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Gen. Eric Republican at December 09, 2012 03:05 PM (jucos)
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 03:05 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Bildo at December 09, 2012 03:07 PM (eToum)
This is why the Democrat position has always been to have no principles at all. Once you've liberated yourself from the straightjacket of that quaint notion, all things are possible.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 03:07 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 03:07 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 07:06 PM (nqBYe)
I believe multi-state crime sprees are our future.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 03:07 PM (8sCoq)
Bob Michel would be so proud.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at December 09, 2012 03:07 PM (2Oas0)
Yes ette, you'd think just once the Republicans would say, "We promise to raise taxes 12 months after these cuts take effect" and then list them. And then fold their arms and wait.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 03:08 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 03:09 PM (veOhm)
Posted by: AD at December 09, 2012 03:09 PM (2vUZT)
i guess it is best to lose faith now, and quit being surprised or shocked at the irresponsibility to the future.
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 03:10 PM (nqBYe)
@62: "Yeah because Mitt and McCain both campaigned aggressively to protect our most defenseless citizens."
Todd Akin and others respectfully disagree. There may be individual GOPers who don't, but there are plenty of "single issue voters" who are fanatically fighting a war that was lost long ago. Yet oddly, none who really put their money where their mouth is. Virtually every state allows for the use of lethal force to protect the life of another - it's considered justifiable homicide. If someone really believes that "abortion is murder" well....
"Whatever, babykiller."
Leftists choose kill their own kids. Given that Leftists are my enemies, it distubs me not a bit.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 03:11 PM (2SX1f)
Granted, it's rarely a *solely*-because-of-race thing, but the GOP is just as happy to play racial check-box politics as anyone.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 06:46 PM (2SX1f)
So? Democrats have infested the party. Corker, for instance.
Only Democrats care about skin color.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 03:11 PM (O6t4T)
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 07:10 PM (nqBYe)
Lie back, and think of the Reagan administration.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 03:12 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Not an Artist at December 09, 2012 03:12 PM (uRumV)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 09, 2012 03:12 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 03:13 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 03:14 PM (Gk3SS)
Lets see what they have.
Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 07:01 PM (qBLA2)
Now we're talkin'
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 03:14 PM (kpCLl)
@73: "Right that's why the GOP redistricted Wests district into nothing. Exactly."
He got elected once; he served his purpose. Beyond that, the GOP views hispanics, not blacks, as the future - and thus the more important demographic.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 03:14 PM (2SX1f)
Posted by: phillip fry at December 09, 2012 03:15 PM (ctjsq)
Too bad they're about 40 years too late with that particular revelation.
How you doin', Fa Cube? Haven't seen you in ages!
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 03:16 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 03:16 PM (bxiXv)
@87: "Does anybody here want to defend Scott Brown's Dodd-Frank vote now? Would it not have been better for him to be principled? What good did his whoring do?"
He already secured his pension and benefits. What does he care either way?
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 03:16 PM (2SX1f)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 09, 2012 03:17 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 03:18 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 09, 2012 07:04 PM (WwR1j)
As long as we have bio-diesel for the Cat D-9s, comrade, we don't need no steenkin' body bags!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 03:19 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Too late for finals at December 09, 2012 03:20 PM (BgIBZ)
Let. it. burn. = 40 years of liberal dominance of government.
If everything goes to hell, where will the public turn to? Primarily to government. And which party is the party of government?
If I have to answer that then you're not paying attention.
Posted by: GreenEyeshade at December 09, 2012 03:20 PM (cf20q)
Play their game.
Failing that, counterpropose a tax increase on the 0.1%. They vote Democrat anyway.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 09, 2012 03:20 PM (T0NGe)
@129: "How you doin', Fa Cube? Haven't seen you in ages!"
Hi, Peaches. 
Work has had me jumping like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest for almost a year now. Things have *finally* slowed to the point where I can breathe again.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 03:20 PM (2SX1f)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 09, 2012 03:21 PM (L7hol)
Hmmm. Good point.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 03:21 PM (Gk3SS)
Well, it's very nice to see you back here at the HQ. Glad you are getting a little respite. Still one of my favorite nics of all time!!
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 03:22 PM (kpCLl)
Because the government as constituted presently is not about solving problems it's about securing political advantage.
As you say, 3.5T in spending - 2.4 Trillion in revenues = 1.1 Trillion Deficit.
1.1 Trillion Deficit + 50 Billion in new Spending - 160 Billion in new taxes (max) = 1Trillion dollar deficit.
Now this is very easy to explain and understand. I have yet to see anyone explain it this way. This would be perfect for a whiteboard.
Now the Democrats taxing and spending and obfuscating is well within their accepted principles and tactics.
The base principle of the Republican party was it's aversion to taxes now they will be going against a main tenant of their party.
And furthermore they know the amount of taxes to be raised is insignificant and will do not one bit of good, NOT ONE BIT and in fact it will make things worse as it will take money out of the hands of the very people who could best make use of it.
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 03:22 PM (0fxcV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2012 03:25 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: FURPC at December 09, 2012 03:25 PM (0ImZM)
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 07:22 PM (0fxcV)
That's the problem, though, Our Betters in Congress, no matter the party, do not believe that we the people can make the best us of money. In fact, I see no evidence that Our Betters view it as the citizen's money. All evidence seems to point to a belief that money belongs to the government first and then the government graciously gives us some back.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 03:26 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: SurferDoc at December 09, 2012 03:27 PM (6H6FZ)
Ette, keep faith in yourself and those close to you. Any that don't deserve your faith should not be close to you.
And yes, always be the observer, not just a reactionary. Remain grounded in your own space and observe everything else. Consider what you see and act accordingly. Not in emotional reaction but through goals, action plans and perserverence.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 03:27 PM (1Y+hH)
So dumb it isn't even wrong.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2012 03:28 PM (Xefrb)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 03:32 PM (S+/pH)
America, being the most advanced society in world history, and therefore the smartest, required the most advanced form of defeat in world history. We could not be defeated militarily, so our enemies defeated us socially. We've had our culture removed from us, in addition to our government.
You gotta hand it to them: they told us exactly what they were going to do and how they were going to do it: taking over education, media and the arts. Because we weren't willing to do what was necessary to remove the threat, we're now living the results. It was Kruschev, IIRC, who said, "Your grandchildren will be Communists." He was right.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 03:32 PM (yiIja)
And then let it burn. I believe this would qualify as throwing gasoline on the fire. I will not only vote for, but will send a campaign contribution to, the first asshole who comes out strong for this.
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 03:33 PM (kpCLl)
“Republicans know that they have the debt ceiling coming up right around the corner,” Sen. Corker said. “The leverage is going to shift to our side. We are going to do the same thing we did last time; if the president wants to raise the level by two trillion, we get two trillion in spending reductions.”
Your mean the two trillion in fake manana spending reductions? Those spending reductions?
What a greenhorn....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2012 03:34 PM (kdS6q)
Recent stats show that California INCREASED taxes.... and Tax Revenues DECREASED....
Laffer Curve.... For Teh Win....
Now... if the REPUBS could just talk about the HISTORY of this....
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2012 03:36 PM (lZBBB)
Fa Cube, good to see you back!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 03:36 PM (Cnqmv)
Special Forces guy dies saving fucking do gooder dr in Afghanistan and the NY Slime has no story about it, BUT they do have a story about some fucking Mexican pop singer dying in a plane crash.
Fuck.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 03:37 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 07:11 PM (2SX1f)
Fuck.
Okay, when I can think of a counter to that angle that doesn't also support intervention in Syria, I promise to get back to you.
And sorry about the insult, haven't seen you in a while and forgot you were a regular. We've had a whole mess of trolls lately.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2012 03:37 PM (hO9ad)
The smart Democrats, and there are some (ex Charlie Rangel, 150 IQ, INTJ personality type) with a clue about how the government works, would freely admit this in private conversation. They'd never admit it in public though.
They know this is just populist propaganda laying the groundwork for going after the real money in the middle class.
We'll have a 91% tax bracket again, I'd bet my life on it. Its a necessary step towards sliding the whole bracket scheme to the right.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 03:38 PM (2RJQo)
My give a damn is broken, so I am just observing.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 03:38 PM (GoIUi)
Both fucking swishes.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 03:38 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 09, 2012 03:38 PM (qpM85)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 03:38 PM (S+/pH)
BTW - The Cork is so awesome the Republicans have leveled him up to ranking member on the Foreign Relations Committee for the next Congress.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2012 03:39 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Frank Black at December 09, 2012 03:39 PM (cvysS)
Too technical, too wonky.
HONEY. BOO. BOO.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 03:40 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 03:41 PM (z4WKX)
Don't forget Illinois raised it's state income tax 67% and it did not close the budget gap.
So at best the 1.6Trillion in new taxes the President wants would probably end up somewhere around 8oo or 900 billion.
The GOP and the Donks know this. They just don't care.
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 03:41 PM (0fxcV)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 09, 2012 03:41 PM (LPRBM)
The AMT was supposed to bit the middle class in the ass in the name of stealthy fairness, but then they had to cook the books to maintain the fiction of a non-inflationary economy, so this little zinger is just waiting out there.
Once we have the trillion dollar coins minted, however, ....
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 03:44 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 09, 2012 03:46 PM (x8mAx)
Once we have the trillion dollar coins minted, however, ....
This is an idea we will fight against.
Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 03:47 PM (yiIja)
I would agree if you add the qualifier "Inside the beltway" to the term Republicans!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 03:47 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 03:48 PM (S+/pH)
You guys all bitch about how Democrats and Republicans are all the same, but every election year you line up and do what you're told.
Posted by: Jason at December 09, 2012 03:48 PM (6VB4r)
LIB.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2012 03:48 PM (V20sy)
One reason this situation is so disconcerting is that it is so unusual. We haven't experienced a road with no good forks in most people's living memory. We have no template for how to proceed.
Perhaps we must emulate the soldier who told me, "I assume I am already dead, and might as well do what needs to be done without hesitation or anguish."
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 03:48 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 03:49 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 07:47 PM (yiIja)
Not to worry, I am long on wheelbarrow manufacturing stocks (all chinese, but what's a guy to do?)!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 03:49 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 03:52 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 03:52 PM (Cnqmv)
Until we don't, Jason old pal. Until we don't.
You also seem to be laboring under the delusion that we get to NOV 2014 without some sort of market dislocation. FWIW, I'm betting we don't make it to NOV 2013. Once that happens, pretty much all bets are off.
LIB means, well, don't do a damn thing to stop this necessary market collapse from happening. Make no attempts to catch the falling knives (chainsaws, actually), and do whatever can be done to make the statists, but mostly Choomy, own it. For once.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2012 03:53 PM (V20sy)
"Actually, the worse thing about Republicans is that they're really not all that different from Democrats."
We are governed by Republicrats, a consortium of most Democrats and most Republicans. On the edges left and right are the far right (conservatives to us) and the far left (full-throated liberals to them).
And it's not working out very well.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 03:53 PM (1Y+hH)
Whatever it takes to speed the collapse.
I prefer a hard/fast collapse (ex Soviet Union) to some protracted affair like the slow decline of Europe.
The sooner the corpse of the USA is buried and whatever comes next emerges the better.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 03:54 PM (2RJQo)
But we promise, THIS time it will be different!
Posted by: Boner & Bitch at December 09, 2012 03:54 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: The Gambler at December 09, 2012 03:55 PM (sZTYJ)
The sooner the corpse of the USA is buried and whatever comes next emerges the better.
Yes, the bloated corpse needs to be disposed of sooner than later. The stink is getting to us all.
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 03:55 PM (kpCLl)
Jason has a point. I left the party in 2007, but voted for McCain a few months later, and voted for Romney. I guess this is a process, and not like throwing a light switch.
The RED/BLUE game is hard to give up, even after you decide it's a sham.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 03:58 PM (1Y+hH)
meremortal, while you may have thought your comment corny. It did have a lot of truth in it.
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 03:58 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 04:00 PM (sdi6R)
But take a look at the dot com bubble and the housing bubble. They didn't collapse slowly, they collapsed practically overnight. Consider a phase change -- water gets colder and colder until some precipitating event causes it to suddenly change to ice. We are mighty cold right now.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 04:03 PM (ccXZP)
You are kind ette, thanks.
As to your comment, I don't think the "Burn" means there is no America. I think it just means a long period of very bad times.
America can't be destroyed. America is not a country, or even a people. America is an idea, and you can't destroy an idea.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 04:03 PM (1Y+hH)
I voted for Romney because, for some reason, I though he would do a decent job of managing the coming collapse and make it, perhaps, a tad less terrifying.
I really don't think any election between now and the (now inevitable) collapse, if we manage to get to the next election before the collapse, changes the nature of the coming suck-fest one bit. We're just too far gone for any single or even large group of elected officials to make a difference.
Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2012 04:04 PM (V20sy)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 04:04 PM (sdi6R)
That's what the GOP is doing. Don't you get it? They're gearing up to giving the public what they want.
As H.L. Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
You're want to "let it burn" while simultaneously demanding that the GOP not let it burn.
Make up your mind. The only way to convince people once and for all is to give the Democrats what they want and let the voters see how their lives are impacted. When Obama gets his higher taxes on the "top 2 percent," then massive numbers of small businesses will make all their workers part timers, and the wealthy will move their capital offshore and invest in other countries.
The jobless rate will go up, and to compensate for lost revenue the Democrats will propose raising taxes on everyone. The price of everything will go up, and everyone who supported Obama will end up with less work, higher taxes to pay for their bennies, and higher prices for everything.
The burning is happening. Stop complaining.
Posted by: Llarry at December 09, 2012 04:09 PM (nMCEa)
What I see is a situation where the Republicans are already being blamed for this phony cliff. The fact that the country has accepted the terminology of the cliff is proof enough of that. So if you're already being blamed, why not minimize the political damage you are taking?
How is that stupid? Stupid would be sticking to your philosophical guns when the political battle is already lost.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 04:09 PM (BeSEI)
i would like to know if 10 million previous obama supporter did NOT vote, and a few million McCain or Bush voters went missing how the American people were speaking Bi Partisanship to His mind?
How would he sleep like a baby?
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 04:11 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 04:11 PM (sdi6R)
Sorry Rush, that's already done. In years past, nearly every tax increase that voters had an opportunity to vote on, all across the country, would be shot down handily. These days they all pass.
The public wants more taxes. They simply think they're voting for more taxes on the other guy. Let them see what it means when they get their tax bills.
Tax increases for everybody, I say.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 04:14 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 04:15 PM (sdi6R)
1947! Natille Wood, still hot at 12.
"I believe, I believe"
"Hey, we got all these letter address to Santa Claus, why don't we send them down to the court house?"
MOST WATCH MORON LIST!
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 04:15 PM (wR+pz)
America is an idea, and you can't destroy an idea.
Yes you can. You can deride it, ridicule those who believe in it 24/7 through the media, schools and art. Basically, you can brainwash a significant portion of the populace to believe anything you wish them to believe, then prop up a political candidate who reinforces that, and get him elected.
Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 04:15 PM (yiIja)
Fuck you, Bhoner. F you Paul Ryan. F all of them.
Bonus anger: I'll canvas for libertarians next election. I'll work the "get out the vote" libertarian phone banks. Voted for Mitt by default. No mas. Libertarian is now my "default vote" party of choice.
This is not internet raeg nor a passing fancy, the R's have lost me. Tea Party candidates registered as Libertarians get my vote. Tea Party candidates registered as Republicans will never get my vote.
FOAD.
Posted by: 13times at December 09, 2012 04:16 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 04:19 PM (sdi6R)
The Russians came out of the collapse of the Soviet Union somewhat better off. The place is an economic wild west of sorts now and the Kremlin isn't nearly as heavy handed as it used to be.
The Russian Federation is a "work in progress", and the final result remains to be seen though.
The Chinese are certainly better off now than with the old school Maoists, and they managed to accomplish that in a kind of stealth manner.
I'm optimistic about our post-collapse future. With all the Federal regulation and business roadblocks shucked aside, and saner "loser pays" legal system, we could have quite a Renaissance.
If we back our currencies with natural resources, we won't even be credit strapped after all the debt repudiation.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 04:20 PM (2RJQo)
Let it burn.
Posted by: Draki at December 09, 2012 04:21 PM (Hthb4)
He is dedicated that's for sure. of course He has everyone with a voice on his side, unions , media, education
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 04:21 PM (nqBYe)
The part that really chafes me is here in Missouri, we had a Libertarian on the ballot for Senate, and I let my sentimentality allow me to vote for Rapin' Akin.
The Libertarian was a fitness trainer, who shockingly, was a legalized marijuana guy. A profoundly silly person, in other words.
I don't care anymore. Given the choice, I'll vote for the pothead over the rotten festering sore of a Republican from now on.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 04:21 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 04:24 PM (8sCoq)
That's alright. In another 80 years or so we'll have had enough of that, and then maybe we can get some real change.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 04:24 PM (BeSEI)
Always remember this:
Republicans are ignorant. They don't read AoS. They don't listen to Rush. They don't read the Washington Times.
Republicans get their news from the MSM.
I'll bet half of them don't even know what Benghazi is about or Fast and Furious or anything about what the Democrats are doing.
Never forget what was posted here. Most Republicans don't give a shit about what Reagan stood for. They vaguely remember that there were good times during his Presidency, but they don't make the connection to small government conservatism and limited, constitutional government, because we don't teach the Constitution in school and we don't teach citizens to value their independence from The State.
That's how hard it's going to be for us to turn this around. I'm of the opinion that the Let it Burn crowd is on the right track, and that the old admonition is the true one: "the people get the kind of government they deserve". People voted for this, let them get it in its full measure.
I'm a Palin guy through and through. I despised Romney and his "rising tide lifts all yachts" Republicanism, but I understood that he was far preferable to Obama and Obamacare. His loss came as a bit of a surprise to me. Now, matters are worse: let the voters get the unsustainable state they voted for.
Obama's aim was always to permanently enlarge government and to permanently enlarge the tax base to pay for it. However, what he is doing cannot work in the long run, and has always failed. The difference, after all, between Brezhnev's corrupt Soviet racket state and what Obama is doing is a question of degree, not of kind. And Obama's effort will end up in the same place as did Brezhnev's.
Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at December 09, 2012 04:26 PM (CUoon)
You're want to "let it burn" while simultaneously demanding that the GOP not let it burn.
Make up your mind.... Stop complaining.
Posted by: Llarry
Corker and Team Republicans are intervening, and thus will get all the blame when things implode.
The idea of LIB is to stand by, let the destruction happen, give the Democrats the blame and rebuild. Not to douse ourselves in oil and jump into the flames to show how we believe in bipartisan solutions.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2012 04:26 PM (kdS6q)
Are you watching NBC football? Not me.
And I can't stand Faith Hill and that fake phony country music garbage she represents these days.
Yes, I said "fake phony." It's that bad.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 04:27 PM (BeSEI)
Those types won't fare well during the collapse. Millions simply won't survive it. They assume services and social order to be far more robust than they actually are.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 04:27 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: kalneva at December 09, 2012 04:27 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 04:28 PM (sdi6R)
The glorious plan: Keep the tax hikes on everyone but *don't withhold them*. Then, in April, everybody suddenly owes money instead of getting a refund. Weeping wailing and nashing of teeth.
The single greatest contributor to big govt. is withholding. Ask any self-employed person - when you write big checks to Uncle Sam, you really question expenditures.
Unfortunately, about a thousand big govt Dems and Repubs probably just yelled, "Get 'im!"
Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 04:29 PM (udOjI)
I bet the Feminist are going to kill themselves!
The girl goes to a "progress school"
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 04:29 PM (wR+pz)
Presto: Socialism. Vast amounts of private money transferred to the government.
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The problem with the Left is that they have a limited sense of history. They can't connect California's or Illinois' failures with that of, say, East Germany or the Soviet Union. Their belief system is, remember, a substitute religion of failed ideologies, and there will be a vast wreckage of destruction before they have been consigned to the Dustbin of History.
Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at December 09, 2012 04:31 PM (CUoon)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at December 09, 2012 04:31 PM (B9aMH)
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at December 09, 2012 04:32 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 04:32 PM (Y5I9o)
The Democrats traditionally go after the poor via less obvious regressive taxes. "sin taxes", gasoline taxes, the Federal tax on phone bills, excise taxes on tires, medical device taxes that raise prices on medical devices, etc.
That way people don't notice it right away as a lower paycheck. The paycheck just doesn't go as far.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 04:33 PM (2RJQo)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 04:34 PM (jucos)
What I learned from John Roberts is that the concept of what is and what is not a tax is fluid.
Those people who don't pay "taxes" will see the price of groceries go up, utilities will skyrocket, Playstations, cable tv, and cell phone service will be luxury items again.
What we ALWAYS know to be true is that in any economic downturn, the poor bear the brunt of it eventually. They haven't yet. So far this has been the Easy Bake Oven recession. Wait until the real thing gets here.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 04:35 PM (BeSEI)
Yep.
Fini. Kaput.
Gonna call the local medical marijuana dispensary (doubles as the libertarian headquarters) and volunteer / sign up for 2014 gotv duty.
Posted by: 13times at December 09, 2012 04:35 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 04:36 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 04:37 PM (jucos)
Yep, everything that made the United States into the power that it once was, persists across the collapse.
We'll be dealt a strong hand right out of the gate.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 04:37 PM (2RJQo)
Now, I accept it as a given. A done deal. Unavoidable.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 04:40 PM (2RJQo)
The idea of LIB is to stand by, let the destruction happen, give the Democrats the blame and rebuild. Not to douse ourselves in oil and jump into the flames to show how we believe in bipartisan solutions.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2012 08:26 PM (kdS6q)
Yes!!! Very well put.
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 04:40 PM (kpCLl)
This is how much the country has changed. Back in the mid to late 1950's that movie was shown in my grade school gym on the last day before Christmas vacation, right after the classroom parties where we got popcorn balls and cupcakes and exchanged presents with each other through a name drawing.. Every year. And then we would all sing "We Wish You a Merry Christmas" and get on the buses to go home, because it was the best day in the kid calender (as Ralphie would say).
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 04:41 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 04:41 PM (jucos)
idea of LIB is to stand by, let the destruction happen, give the
Democrats the blame and rebuild.
the statement presumes the Democrats will get the blame
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 04:44 PM (8sCoq)
Here's how the Republicans and Democrats are going to solve this. Ready?
Retroactive taxation.
All current rates will stay the same....for now. But new tax rates will be applied to past years, they'll inform everyone what they owe in those past years, including those that have left the country, and the IRS will then work to extract that amount from everyone. See how simple?
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 09, 2012 04:47 PM (AC0lD)
Yeah, the GOP seems to be fighting hard to take the donkey punch on this.
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 04:47 PM (kpCLl)
Now, I accept it as a given. A done deal. Unavoidable.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 08:40 PM (2RJQo)
I remember reading 1984, for the first time, when I was a teenager, and thinking it was so far-fetched. And then, only 10 years or so ago, reading Atlas Shrugged, and could see the validity, but still thinking it was so far-fetched. Now, we see where we are, and neither one is far-fetched at all! Gah! I'm reading Utopias Elsewhere right now!
Posted by: kalneva at December 09, 2012 04:52 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: kalneva at December 09, 2012 04:56 PM (S+/pH)
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 04:56 PM (z4WKX)
Ought to be a hoot!
Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 09, 2012 05:02 PM (1gpX9)
I've always preferred the 3rd party strategy locally first, then nationally when the money backers finally see which way the wind is blowing. But if we're going to go through 30 years of pain, let's burn the GOP too.
So, what will the new party look like? Big tent, small tent? No socons? No fiscons? L/libertarians? Add some planks/groups? Hire some storytellers? Hard-core one issue (debt) until that get solved? What kind of governance structure that will keep idiots from rising to the top again?
Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 09, 2012 05:03 PM (X/+QT)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 05:03 PM (Y5I9o)
I'm optimistic about our post-collapse future. With all the Federal regulation and business roadblocks shucked aside, and saner "loser pays" legal system, we could have quite a Renaissance.
We could've accomplished the same thing without the meltdown.
Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 05:06 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 05:08 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: chas at December 09, 2012 05:10 PM (Dpiaa)
"What really piss'd me off was Boehner response after the election, That he slept like a baby, and the american people had spoke."
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 08:11 PM (nqBYe)
McCain said the same thing after the 2008 defeat. These people sleep pretty easy as their country implodes, don't they. Fu*k em all.
Posted by: rrpjr at December 09, 2012 05:12 PM (iayld)
Come on! Let's all sing it together...
It has a nice beat and it's easy to dance to. I give it a 75, Mr. Clark.
Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 05:12 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 05:13 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 05:13 PM (yiIja)
I'm very happy with it. "More unemployment" cracks me up. I think it's better than "Four something".
Good work, rickl. Valu-Rite, the songwriter's best friend.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 05:16 PM (yiIja)
So my first directive would be that blogs on the right must have a top-notch UI. Everything else flows from there.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 09, 2012 05:17 PM (MmH0Z)
Posted by: Frank Gaines at December 09, 2012 06:36 PM (ochf7)
Posted by: AnnaS at December 09, 2012 07:08 PM (is2uy)
Posted by: notsothoreau at December 09, 2012 07:37 PM (uPhCY)
Stay focused on the goal. Fighting to protect tax cuts on the rich (as dems and the media have sold it ) is a losing battle. Roll over and give him what he thinks he wants, the next fight is on the debt ceiling, once he has the higher taxes he said would solve the problem the argument will be on spending. The cut spending argument is a winner once taxes are off the table. The GOP simply holds out for the tax and spending reforms it wants. Obama will have to cave substantially.
Posted by: jarhead59 at December 10, 2012 04:33 AM (6uxlE)
Posted by: Cackfinger at December 11, 2012 04:22 AM (CCHli)
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Posted by: Sho Nuff at December 09, 2012 02:13 PM (jo0fs)