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January 27, 2012

Half in the Bag Review of Red Tails
— Ace

This is the Plinkett guy and a confederate, though he doesn't play Plinkett. (Oddly, when Plinkett appears in these, he's played by someone else.)

The argument is between "forgettable bad movie" (Plinkett's confederate) and "trainwreck" (Plinkett).

It turns out the opening scene doesn't have the white pilots behaving cowardly in running away from German fighters. Instead, they were behaving retardedly. Apparently the Germans keep running a game on them where they engage, then fly away, and the white fighter pilots chase them... leaving the bombers defenseless against the real German fighter offensive, which now comes, and wipes out the convoy.

Apparently the order "Yeah, don't do that anymore" doesn't work with the white fighter pilots, which is the reason they have to bring in the black pilots.

That's... dumb.

Thanks to RD.

Posted by: Ace at 07:09 AM | Comments (163)
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1 I spent some time with my in-laws' neighbor, a Tuskeegee airman. Amazing fellow. He's seen the movie twice, liked it, and called it entertaining.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2012 07:11 AM (UOM48)

2 Well, they are wrong. The New York Times said it was great.

Actually they intimated that it was great, because the reporter's mouth was full of Lucas' cock and couldn't speak.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 27, 2012 07:11 AM (nEUpB)

3 Like, that review could've, like, been, like, half as long if they, like, hadn't, like, used one word so fucking, like, often.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 27, 2012 07:12 AM (ywwu+)

4 The movie is historically false; looks like East German television in the 80s

They did lose bombers; they didn't attack ships; they did nothing comparable to the Ploesti or Schweinfurt raids

They did their job competently, but compared to the Eight Air Force, they were pikers.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 27, 2012 07:13 AM (UqKQV)

5 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: I was a Red Tail Screener at January 27, 2012 07:14 AM (GsBJY)

6 EightH Air Force, especially in '42

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 27, 2012 07:14 AM (UqKQV)

7 Saw "Warhorse" with our son while he was home. I've owned horses and am a softy about them, and I damned near sobbed at times during the movie. Plus, my grandfather fought in the trenches in France. I never knew him (he died in his forties), but it made me really appreciate the horrors he endured.

Plan to see Red Tails soon.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2012 07:14 AM (UOM48)

8 A Confederate, you say... whats his opinion on the gold standard?

Posted by: Luap Nor at January 27, 2012 07:14 AM (DsVtq)

9 I'll see it when it gets to cable, but just for the record, did they get any tail while they were over seas?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 07:15 AM (i6RpT)

10 If any of you are ever in Savannah, visit the Mighty Eighth Air Force museum. Awesome, and usually there are old guys there who served and volunteer. They're dying out, though.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2012 07:16 AM (UOM48)

11 Gosh, I sure hope they did a scene where a bunch of them walk in slo mo toward the camera, all in a line abreast. They NEVER have a scene like that in movies and it is really, really neat!

Posted by: Sharkman at January 27, 2012 07:16 AM (RtpCp)

12 Half in the Bag is nowhere near as good as the actual Plinkett stuff, to the point that I often find their criticism to be off. They liked Paul, even specifically giving props to one bit I thought was a weak point in the movie (Christian girl turned atheist by Paul's magic touch). They didn't like Suckerpunch, which is nearly unforgivable. Overall still good, but not the masterpieces of insightful critique that Plinkett manages, and without the intermittent dark humor.

Posted by: shillelagh at January 27, 2012 07:16 AM (hRzu2)

You just didn't like it because there were black people in it.

I noticed that George Lucas went on the Daily Show and said Hollywood wouldn't back him because it had an all black cast. I wish John Stewart would have said to his face that Hollywood wouldn't back it because he hasn't made a good movie since the 1970s.

I hope someone let's Lucas know, to his face, that he's been turning out shit for years now. Had someone with balls been involved in the process of making Star Wars Episode One, we might have been spared the trainwreck that was the first three episodes.

If you remember in Plinkett's review of Episode one, he show the behind the scenes moment when Lucas and staff screen the first the showing of Episode 1. You can see on their faces that they know it's a complete mess, but no one speaks up. Had someone said something, perhaps they could have saved us all the pain.

Posted by: Ben at January 27, 2012 07:16 AM (wuv1c)

14 get any tail while they were over seas?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 11:15 AM (i6RpT)

only red tail. Italian Indians.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 27, 2012 07:17 AM (UqKQV)

I was really hoping that this movie turned out well, but the promos made it sound like a template hollywood BS movie.

The sequence where the soldiers chant like an Under Armor commercial did it in for me. I mean, did Ray Lewis' grand father, fly a P-52?

I'll check it out on DVD

Posted by: Pedro at January 27, 2012 07:18 AM (NHNJt)

16 I don't like it because it's PC bullshit mixed with lame sentimentality mixed with several Total Fabrications

pilots, White and Black, didn't do football huddles before missions........

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 27, 2012 07:19 AM (UqKQV)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:19 AM (8y9MW)

Let me make a bold prediction. We will never see a war movie in our lifetime where white soldiers are portrayed as heroic.

That's not to say only white soldiers are heroes, they aren't, the Japanese 442 was one of the better fighting units in the US army in the second world war and the Tuskegee Airman fought honorably, but there is a new wave revisionism going on in Hollywood. Even Speilberg's Saving Private Ryan was more about moral ambiguity than heroism.

This is the fruit of our victimhood society. Only members of the victim class can be true heroes.

Posted by: Ben at January 27, 2012 07:20 AM (wuv1c)

19 I saw the trailer for this when I made a rare appearance at the theater to see "War Horse".

It had "steaming pile" written all over it.

Posted by: Andy at January 27, 2012 07:20 AM (5Rurq)

20 Blacks Bag Buffoonish, Blitzkrieging-Nazis in Boffo Blockbuster!

Posted by: Variety! at January 27, 2012 07:21 AM (GsBJY)

21 When I first saw the title: Red Tails, I thought it was an English S&M movie?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 07:21 AM (i6RpT)

22 21 When I first saw the title: Red Tails, I thought it was an English S&M movie?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 11:21 AM (i6RpT)

And I though it was an Eastern Europeon Dating Site!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 27, 2012 07:22 AM (lZBBB)

23 Can't be true because Maverick and Goose weren't involved.

Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at January 27, 2012 07:22 AM (jucos)

24 Wait. Wait.

You're telling me George Lucas is so stupid that he though he had to make stuff up to make the Tuskegee Airmen cool?

Well, okay, it's George Lucas, so I guess I can believe it, but really? The most storied flying unit- with the possible (and it's only "possible") exception of the Flying Tigers, and George Lucas thinks he has to sexy them up?

I was hoping this would be a good movie (still a dramatization, but based largely on facts). Now I probably can't see it.

D*mn you George Lucas. First you kill Star Wars (for which you should be hung by your genitals from the nearest lamp-post), and now you screw up telling the story of the Tuskegee Airmen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:23 AM (8y9MW)

I love war movies, so this type of shit pisses me off.

I was barely able to make it through Spike Lee's Miracle at St.Anna.

It was probably the worst war movie I've ever seen.

If you want to see a good movie about WW 2 pilots, I suggest the Czech movie Dark Blue World. It's fantastic. It's about Czech pilots who fled Czechoslovakia after Munich and joined the RAF.

Statistically the Poles and Czechs were the best fighters in the RAF.

The story follows their life prior to the Munich agreement, their escape, their time spent fighting while in England, and their return after the war.

They were thrown in prison by the Soviet controlled Czech government because they fought for England(now an enemy b/c of the cold war.)

It's a great story and a great reminder that the war didn't end for the people of Eastern Europe until 1991.

Posted by: Ben at January 27, 2012 07:25 AM (wuv1c)

26 We will never see a war movie in our lifetime where white soldiers are portrayed as heroic.

We Were Soldiers.

Or did you mean "...another war movie..."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:25 AM (8y9MW)

27 The AVG in China earned their reputation; the TA s had theirs created

American Volunteer Group -- a few dozen pilots in clunkers held off the Nipponese Menace for months, while shooting down a lotta planes

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 27, 2012 07:27 AM (UqKQV)

28 It's not the ignorant criticism of the movie that bothers me, it's the overt racism that I could do without. That and the ignorant criticism.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 27, 2012 07:30 AM (Sh42X)

29 The AVG in China earned their reputation; the TA s had theirs created

The Flying Tigers were probably the best air unit ever. I'm just not sure they're more "storied" than the TA.

And I don't even buy into the "we never lost a bomber" legend- but they are a highly-storied (and honored) air group.

What they did seems, today, not to be as big of a deal. But back then, they really were highly opposed, and therefore had to prove themselves much more than other fighter groups in the European theater.

For pure bad-ass-ary, you're probably looking at the Flying Tigers or maybe one of the Pacific Fleet air-groups.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:30 AM (8y9MW)

30 Jane at 10. Funny you mention that. It's on our list when we go to Savannah this summer. Really looking forward to it.

Posted by: Julie at January 27, 2012 07:31 AM (O/fK8)

31 I went for a fitting to be a background officer on this one, cool warehouse with racks of vintage army uniforms, but the day before the shoot I got a case of shingles on my neck and had to cancel, big big bummer.

Posted by: mbruce at January 27, 2012 07:31 AM (Fr8N6)

Apparently the order "Yeah, don't do that anymore" doesn't work with the white fighter pilots, which is the reason they have to bring in the black pilots.

That's... dumb.

Eh, just sounds like the "magic negro" on steroids.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 27, 2012 07:31 AM (mg08E)

33 I think I will watch "The Great Escape" this weekend

Posted by: mbruce at January 27, 2012 07:32 AM (Fr8N6)

34 Ace going Sajak on the review --nice.

Posted by: logprof misses strikethrough at January 27, 2012 07:33 AM (ykSKg)

34 mbruce

that is a great movie

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 27, 2012 07:33 AM (mfbqu)

36 Apparently the order "Yeah, don't do that anymore" doesn't work with the white fighter pilots, which is the reason they have to bring in the black pilots.

I will say this: I've heard enough about "fog of war" to believe that "don't do that anymore" might not be an order you'd always follow. As I understand it, fighter pilots are even more highly prone to "Well, that's fine for them to say, but they're not right here!" syndrome.

I certainly don't believe they'd be stupid enough to take the whole group so far off they couldn't engage an actual attack on the bombers, but I can believe a few of them would follow a diversionary attack-and-withdraw too vigorously.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:34 AM (8y9MW)

37 >>34 I think I will watch "The Great Escape" this weekend

I tried to remake The Great Escape with an all black cast but was rebuffed by the studios, obviously because of racism.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 27, 2012 07:34 AM (Sh42X)

38 The First World War

The best WW1 documentary. In depth with film footage you haven't seen before. 100x better than that crap pbs aired in the 90s.

Posted by: mike at January 27, 2012 07:34 AM (BpjHA)

39 All I wanna know is, how come Lucas didn't include Jar Jar Binks in a WW2 movie?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 07:35 AM (niZvt)

40 Doolittle's raid is the most heroic of airman stories.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 27, 2012 07:35 AM (WRGo8)

41 I think I will watch "The Great Escape" this weekend

Ooh. That sounds like a good idea.
Unfortunately I don't own that one. Maybe I'll do Sands of Iwo Jima or Midway, though.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:35 AM (8y9MW)

42 Movie review? I didn't read it. Too short!

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 07:36 AM (5H6zj)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 11:35 AM (8y9MW)

Or buy a copy of, 'The Great Escape'?

Posted by: garrett at January 27, 2012 07:37 AM (+7fwG)

>>Doolittle's raid is the most heroic of airman stories.

Which was all gayed up in the movie "Pearl Harbor"

Posted by: Ben at January 27, 2012 07:37 AM (wuv1c)

45 White guilt exploitation film?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 27, 2012 07:37 AM (fNK8e)

46 Morning, Y-not, how ya doin'?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 07:38 AM (niZvt)

47 "Red Tails," huh? I'm hearing dog whistles and codewords.

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo-goo-ga-joo at January 27, 2012 07:38 AM (ybkwK)

48 @47
Fine. How are you?

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 07:38 AM (5H6zj)

49 Which was all gayed up in the movie "Pearl Harbor" Posted by: Ben at January 27, 2012 11:37 AM (wuv1c) That whole movie was a crime

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 27, 2012 07:38 AM (i6RpT)

50 46 White guilt exploitation film? Posted by: AmishDude at January 27, 2012 11:37 AM (fNK8e) Any people that produced Jar Jar Binks deserve guilt.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 07:38 AM (niZvt)

51 Red Tails has a 35% over at Rotten Tomatoes

Posted by: Ben at January 27, 2012 07:39 AM (wuv1c)

52 Apparently the order "Yeah, don't do that anymore" doesn't work with the white fighter pilots, which is the reason they have to bring in the black pilots. That's... dumb. Actually that sounds like the most credible plot device in there. It may not be completely true but its easy to believe that blacks had lived their lives having to avoid being goaded/suckered into a fight because the law would swoop in and rescue the white trash that had goaded them into the fight. So yeah they might be more immune to getting drawn into ego driven arial dog fights and leaving the bomber unprotected.

Posted by: Palerider at January 27, 2012 07:39 AM (cQZV0)

53 Wow. My link did not post.

Posted by: mike at January 27, 2012 07:39 AM (BpjHA)

54 I denounce any criticism of this movie as racist. I also denounce myself.

Posted by: MAJHAM at January 27, 2012 07:40 AM (DElJn)

55 Make it a wwII POW marathon. After the Great Escape watch King Rat, Stalag 17 and Bridge Over River Kwai. King Rat is my favorite.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 27, 2012 07:40 AM (WRGo8)

56 You know, I liked, Star Wars, I liked Indiana Jones. Did a Lucas get attacked by a talent vampire that left him an empty talentless husk of a former great filmmaker?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 27, 2012 07:41 AM (0q2P7)

57 @54
Yeah, the formatting bar tries to trick you into thinking that formatting is going to take, but then it doesn't.

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 07:41 AM (5H6zj)

Doolittle's raid is the most heroic of airman stories.

Fucka you, Whale!

Posted by: Japanese PM at January 27, 2012 07:41 AM (+7fwG)

59 I'm fine, Y-not. I'm just bummed out by the thought Obama may well be reelected. I'm not sure I can do 5 more years of America in a tailspin, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz on my TV screen.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 07:42 AM (niZvt)

60 Or buy a copy of,'The Great Escape'?

Not this weekend, probably. Too much to do (may not even be able to take the hours necessary for Sands or Midway).

Though it's on my list.
As is, not terribly surprisingly, The Flying Tigers.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:44 AM (8y9MW)

Days of Glory is a decent film.

It's about Algerians who fight for France in WW 2.

Posted by: Ben at January 27, 2012 07:44 AM (wuv1c)

62 @60
Why so glum? I was lurking on the debate thread (only for a little while) and it seemed like you were happy with Mitt's performance. Maybe his strategy will work.

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 07:45 AM (5H6zj)

63
I'm not sure I can do 5 more years of America in a tailspin, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz on my TV screen.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 11:42 AM (niZvt)

Gah. Did you see that ugly scrunt crying over Saint Gabby at the SOTU? Yikes. Shark Mouth, indeed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2012 07:45 AM (UOM48)

64 People actually go to a George Lucas movie and expect it not to be lame and predictable? That's like watching porn for the plot.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 27, 2012 07:45 AM (yowgW)

65 Posted by: logprof misses ~~strikethrough~~

Posted by: Helping Hand at January 27, 2012 07:46 AM (NuPNl)

66 I think my least favorite big budget war movie of all time is Midway. The back story about Heston's son and his Japanese girlfriend was so friggin' irritating.

I liked Tora! Tora! Tora! It's a little cheesy, but I think it still holds up relatively well.

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 07:46 AM (5H6zj)

67 I'm hungry. One of you boys go make me a sammich.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2012 07:46 AM (UOM48)

68 Red Tails was all right. The air combat scenes were awesome. Acting was mostly wooden, but not terrible. I didn't like the scene where Lightning strafes a destroyer and it explodes in a big gaseous fireball (maybe it was the sister ship of the nitroglycerine-filled destroyer from U-571). Overall OK.

Oh, and I liked the Star Wars prequels. bitches.

Posted by: fiatboomer at January 27, 2012 07:47 AM (Zmgiu)

69 @53 No, it still sounds stupid. White people also can get goaded into fights in their youth.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 27, 2012 07:47 AM (t6ti5)

I think anyone who said Red Tails is great is just being PC and doesn't want to say anything to offend African Americans. I was so tempted to walk out after the first 15 minutes or so, but I was so excited to see some black faces on the screen that I sat through it.

I was so disappointed that Lucas didn't spend more time to create a movie experience that was a bit more, well, thoughtful. It just seemed like he threw a few events together and threw a script together that even I could have written. And, why? Because, he knew that black folks would eat it up, just because it was a movie about the Tuskeegee airmen. Guess he doesn't think black folks care about quality. But, no wonder it couldn't get backing....it wasn't about race, it was just that the movie sucked.

Posted by: sydney jane at January 27, 2012 07:47 AM (gNJg7)

71 I'm used to having the trailer be of misleadingly good quality and for the movie to disappoint.

The trailer that I've seen repeatedly seems like an over the top graphic novel wit incredibly corny dialogue. That with narration dubbing it "The Feel Good Movie O The Year" pretty much discredits it from the get go.

Good subject handled really poorly apparently.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 27, 2012 07:47 AM (ZJCDy)

72 63 @60 Why so glum? I was lurking on the debate thread (only for a little while) and it seemed like you were happy with Mitt's performance. Maybe his strategy will work. Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 11:45 AM (5H6zj) I was, but there is no getting around the fact much of the base simply can't stand Romney. I'm worried they won't turn out for him in the general, and then we're screwed. Thing is, if they liked anyone out of the 3, you'd think it would be Santorum... and they don't like HIM, either.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 07:48 AM (niZvt)

73 68 I'm hungry. One of you boys go make me a sammich.

Jane, Come to my house. I have left over ham and dark rye. (I picked up a holiday ham on a post-holiday sale.)

It was so funny. Mr Y-not was smelling my hair last night when we were in bed and saying how good I smelled... and it was because of the smoked ham!

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 07:48 AM (5H6zj)

74 Are there also really strong, smart womyn who could do the job better but are being held down due to sexist oppression? Or is that his next movie?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 27, 2012 07:48 AM (1Jaio)

30 Seconds Over Tokyo

just sayin

Posted by: Jones at January 27, 2012 07:49 AM (8sCoq)

76
It was so funny. Mr Y-not was smelling my hair last night when we were in bed and saying how good I smelled... and it was because of the smoked ham!

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 11:48 AM (5H6zj)

lol

My husband's big turn-on is the smell of pumpkin pie. Sadly, I only make it at Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2012 07:50 AM (UOM48)

77 I was, but there is no getting around the fact much of the base simply can't stand Romney. I'm worried they won't turn out for him in the general, and then we're screwed.
---
I think we're facing that risk with all of them. I read several people's comments last night saying they would not vote for Gingrich if he was the nominee and I suspect that Santorum's (in my opinion) over-focus on morality issues turns off our libertarian-leaners.

Let's see how things play out.

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 07:50 AM (5H6zj)

78 The formatting.

Gah.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2012 07:50 AM (UOM48)

79 Shit, this won't work well without the formatting but.....

Debbie Wasserman Schultz in

Emission Impossible

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 27, 2012 07:51 AM (yowgW)

80 To me the bravest and best were the poor bastards at Midway flying the POS torpedo planes. Every one was shot down, no hits, they knew it was suicide and did it anyway. Talk about balls, they even impressed the Japs who shot them down. Midway turned the war in the Pacific.

Posted by: BIG ROB at January 27, 2012 07:51 AM (MuXag)

81 Oh, and I liked the Star Wars prequels. bitches.

Way to destroy your own credibility.

That's like saying "That was a really good steak" followed by "I like my steaks cooked well done".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 27, 2012 07:53 AM (SY2Kh)

82 77 It was so funny. Mr Y-not was smelling my hair last night when we were in bed and saying how good I smelled... and it was because of the smoked ham! Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 11:48 AM (5H6zj) We're arrived at the point of comfort with each other I can be straight up with her and say her hair smells like parmesan cheese at the end of a long day at work, LOL. Oh, I better add that she does wash it at the end of every day...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 07:54 AM (niZvt)

83 You guys all know you can do italics by using the [ symbols now, instead of the < ones, right?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 07:55 AM (niZvt)

84 Ok why did you watch this and not The Grey?

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 27, 2012 07:55 AM (7rb9o)

85 @84
That's better than other types of cheese!

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 07:55 AM (5H6zj)

86 Thing is, if they liked anyone out of the 3, you'd think it would be Santorum... and they don't like HIM, either.

Actually, I get the idea that they like Santorum just fine, but that they've bought into the conventional wisdom that he just can't win.

I didn't watch the debate last night (Xipe Totec wasn't on the stage, after all), but from clips I've heard he actually did pretty well. And he is very solid on a lot of conservative issues.

My major hanging point with Santorum is that he's almost anti-Tenth Amendment. But he, nevertheless, gets to the correct answers so often, that I might (might) find myself willing to over-look that. It's a very, very hard sell for me, but I might be able to do it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:56 AM (8y9MW)

87 The air combat scenes were awesome.

From what I could see from the preview. All CGI all the time. Even the dirt looked clean.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 27, 2012 07:56 AM (0q2P7)

88 somewhat o/t, not withstanding liam's Muslim idiocy, does anyone plan on seeing the grey?

Posted by: whiskey tango at January 27, 2012 07:57 AM (JvP2I)

89 That's like saying "That was a really good steak" followed by "I like my steaks cooked well done".

With lots of ketchup.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 27, 2012 07:57 AM (0q2P7)

90 It was a pretty interesting discussion until about the 25 minute mark when the guy on the left said he didn't like the fact that the movie portrayed the Germans as villains. Uh, okaaaaay.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at January 27, 2012 07:57 AM (4zKCA)

91 @87: I'll wager I know what kind DWS's hair smells like...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 07:57 AM (niZvt)

92 90 Me

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 27, 2012 07:58 AM (7rb9o)

93
l'il Obama, a.k.a. Deval Patrick, couldn't stop himself from draggingg Tim Thomas through the slander muck.

Â“HeÂ’s a phenomenal hockey player and heÂ’s entitled to his views, but it just feels to me like weÂ’re losing in this country basic courtesy and grace. I didnÂ’t think much of President BushÂ’s policies Â– two wars on a credit card, prescription drug benefit that we couldnÂ’t afford, deficit out of control Â– but I always referred to him as Â‘Mr. President.Â’ I stood when he came in the room."

Yeah, he really said that.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2012 07:58 AM (G/zuv)

94 Santorum's (in my opinion) over-focus on morality issues turns off our libertarian-leaners.

Has he been that strong on it this election? He's not getting much oxygen, so it's hard to tell. If he focuses on "Repeal ObamaCare. Fix the budget. Fix entitlements" I don't think he'll have any time for any "purely" So-Con issues.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 07:59 AM (8y9MW)

95 It was so funny. Mr Y-not was smelling my hair
last night when we were in bed and saying how good I smelled... and it
was because of the smoked ham!

You know, it never occurred to me to try complimenting a woman by telling her that her hair smelled like pig...

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 27, 2012 07:59 AM (SY2Kh)

96
Basic courtesy and grace, where has it all gone?

/pic of Henry Waxman and Debbie Wasaman Schultz

Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2012 07:59 AM (G/zuv)

97 The 332nd lost a total of 25 bombers during their Escort operations. They shot down over a 100 enemy aircraft and destroyed another 150 on the ground. They did infact sink a German destroyer. They also shot down several Me-262s.

"The P-38s always stayed too far out. Some of the Mustang group stayed in too close ... Other groups, we got the feeling that they just wanted to go and shoot down 109s ... The Red Tails were always out there where we wanted them to be ... We had no idea they were Black; it was the Army's best kept secret." That was from a B-24 Liberator pilot.

Posted by: Holger at January 27, 2012 08:00 AM (zaVyn)

98 Was it just me, or did the discussion about breaking the VCR so they could fix it remind anyone else of an Obama cabinet meeting?

Posted by: DKS at January 27, 2012 08:00 AM (r+34Y)

99 Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2012 11:59 AM (G/zuv)

Are you saying they ran away when they saw that picture? 'Cause I'd believe it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 27, 2012 08:00 AM (8y9MW)

100 Where the hell did DWS get dug up, anyway? Gal's so ugly she would wear a mask in an amateur pron flick, to spare the guy embarrassment.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 08:01 AM (niZvt)

101 You guys all know you can do italics by using the [ symbols now, instead of the < ones, right?
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 11:55 AM (niZvt)[/i]

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Obviously; now let me see if I can do BOLD

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 27, 2012 08:01 AM (yowgW)

102 Half in the Bag is my most favoritest thing on the Internet. Well, second-most-favoritest.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at January 27, 2012 08:02 AM (0O9nI)

103 I didn't watch the debate last night (Xipe Totec wasn't on the stage, after all), but from clips I've heard he actually did pretty well.
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I was following here and on Twitter and it's clear he landed some big blows on Masscare. He also sounded like early on he was good at calling both Gingrich and Romney out for being negative. It sounds like he faded a bit in the second half.

I don't see how it gets him the nomination, but I don't put much stock in these performances. Paul sounds like he had his best debate of the cycle so far, too.

To me Santorum injects too much morality crap into everything. Even his tax plan inserts "pro family" stuff in it (talk about right wing social engineering). Basically, he's a legislator who doesn't seem to be able to express a vision for America aside from his wheel house of passion about morality.

I still rank them Gingrich > Romney > Santorum.

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 08:02 AM (5H6zj)

104
Ima in teh wrong thrad

Posted by: soothsayer's motivational poster at January 27, 2012 08:03 AM (G/zuv)

105

Over 1200 American fighter pilots made ace (shot down 5 enemy planes) and none of them were Red Tails. Not one of them ever made ace. And they lost bombers to enemy fighters.

The Flying Tigers were total badasses; read God is My Co-Pilot by Col. Robert Scott.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 27, 2012 08:04 AM (6BgmB)

106 You know, it never occurred to me to try complimenting a woman by telling her that her hair smelled like pig...
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It's a good way to avoid dating a closet Muslim... spray myself liberally with Eau d'Cochon.

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 08:04 AM (5H6zj)

107 Wasn't Waxman an extra in Island of Doctor Moreau?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 08:04 AM (niZvt)

108

"(Oddly, when Plinkett appears in these, he's played by someone else.)"

I think the Half-in-the-Bag Plinkett is supposed to be a different character entirely, a mentally challenged old man rather than a serial killer/fanboy old man. The whole thing is rather odd, but the occasional gag and especially the insights of the Plinkett reviews make them worth watching.

Posted by: Lawrence at January 27, 2012 08:05 AM (NhS6I)

109 Â“HeÂ’s a phenomenal hockey player and heÂ’s entitled to his views, but
it just feels to me like weÂ’re losing in this country basic courtesy and
grace. I didnÂ’t think much of President BushÂ’s policies Â– two wars on a
credit card, prescription drug benefit that we couldnÂ’t afford, deficit
out of control Â– but I always referred to him as Â‘Mr. President.Â’ I
stood when he came in the room."
Yeah, he really said that

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What a complete pile of shit he is for saying that. I guarantee you that will cost him votes among Massaholics (maybe not enough to lose the state though) because to Broons fans Tom Thimas is a major hockey God. The stupid pole-smoker can't let any perceived insult pass without commenting on it; if we don't have a candidate for Pres that doesn't take advantage of that, then maybe we deserve serfdom.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 27, 2012 08:06 AM (yowgW)

110 Mr Y-not was smelling my hair last night when we were in bed and saying how good I smelled... and it was because of the smoked ham!

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 11:48 AM (5H6zj)

Talk about taking a pitch right down the middle of the plate. But sometimes taking the first one and being down 0-1 works to your advantage.

Besides no sense starting the day getting Y-not all riled up.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 27, 2012 08:07 AM (ZJCDy)

111 Has he been that strong on it this election?
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I don't know what his stump speech is like, but from what I've seen, he reverts to morality based reasoning/justification when he speaks extemporaneously such as in response to a question. And he does increase the deductions for kids in his tax plan. (There were one or two other items in it when I compared that also struck me that way, but I don't recall them now.)

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 08:08 AM (5H6zj)

112 >>lolMy husband's big turn-on is the smell of pumpkin pie. Sadly, I only make it at Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 27, 2012 11:50 AM (UOM4

That's 0-2.

Thankfully I have plate discipline in abundance.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 27, 2012 08:09 AM (ZJCDy)

113 @113: you probably made the right choice, ontherocks!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 27, 2012 08:09 AM (niZvt)

114 ontherocks has a good eye! :-)

Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 08:10 AM (5H6zj)

115 Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 27, 2012 12:04 PM (6BgmB)

Ace status is more a indicator of luck than anything else.

Posted by: Holger at January 27, 2012 08:11 AM (zaVyn)

116 OT but related to old war stories. Anybody ever read the books 'A Yankee Flyer goes to....' I remember finding a stash of em in my dads library. That and a boatload of Hardy Boys. Ahh the days of just reading books and not caring about anything

Posted by: Red Shirt at January 27, 2012 08:13 AM (FIDMq)

117 30 The Flying Tigers were probably the best air unit ever Don't get too ahead of yourself there.

Posted by: Jagdgeschwader 52 at January 27, 2012 08:15 AM (wuiRt)

118 Lucas has repeatedly said that what makes him unique as a film-maker is that he thinks outside of the box.

The problem is that everything that is not inside the box is outside the box. Everything. Which includes lots of bad, stupid and insipid things.

Posted by: angler at January 27, 2012 08:16 AM (SwjAj)

119

"Twelve O'Clock High" is a WWII pilots movie we enjoy. Excellent performances by Peck & co. If I remember correctly, some of the combat scenes include actual wartime footage. All about Manning Up and not about sticking it to The Man.

Posted by: Cricket at January 27, 2012 08:17 AM (DrC22)

120 >>Posted by: Y-not at January 27, 2012 12:10 PM (5H6zj)

No sense in messing with the 'ettes' obvious comfort level.

If this was a barroom I'da prolly had my face slapped so many times I'd be on my 3rd set of false teeth

Posted by: ontherocks at January 27, 2012 08:17 AM (ZJCDy)

121 "@27 We will never see a war movie in our lifetime where white soldiers are portrayed as heroic.

We Were Soldiers.

Or did you mean "...another war movie...""

Actually spoiled a little at the very end by the NVA cadre blathering about how we thought we'd won.... But its the best we could have hoped for.

Slightly OT, one of the heroes at Ia Drang was Rick Rescorla. In later life he was the chief security officer for Merrill Lynch at the WTC. He forced them to practice evacuation before 9/11, overrode the PA's suggestion that day to stay in the building, and every Merrill Lynch employee survived. Except Rescorla and his deputies, who lost their lives while making sure all their charges were out. A hero to the end of his life.

Posted by: chuckr at January 27, 2012 08:20 AM (XLu7l)

122 And hell, most American aces (top 3) were flying against the Japanese. All you gotta do is spit at a Japanese aircraft and it turns into a fireball.

The highest scoring American Ace who got his kills in Europe was Gabreski and he got 28. Richard Bong on the other hand scored 40 Air victories against Japanese Aircraft, but all you gotta do is look at a Japanese aircraft and it turns into a fireball.

Posted by: Holger at January 27, 2012 08:20 AM (zaVyn)

123 Barack Hussein Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Alte Schule at January 27, 2012 08:20 AM (Bq6l8)

124
I want to see the movie but given Hollywood's ability to fuck up history I'm a bit hesitant.
One preview shows a train which appears to be in Central Europe which raise an eyebrow.
The were attached to the 9th air force which is in Southern Europe.
It was 8th (The Mighty 8th) Air Force which took the air war to the heart of Germany.
10 percent of US killed in action in WWII were from the 8th Air Force.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 27, 2012 08:23 AM (L3I4w)

125 Posted by: Jagdgeschwader 52 at January 27, 2012 12:15 PM (wuiRt)

You too.

Posted by: Hub Zemke at January 27, 2012 08:24 AM (L3I4w)

126 Posted by: Jagdgeschwader 52 at January 27, 2012 12:15 PM (wuiRt)

JF 52 scored over 177 air victories in the Battle of Britain but at the loss of about 60 pilots. Still an impressive feat.

They got transferred to the Eastern Front and by the end of the war, probably downed close to 10,000 aircraft in the sky. Major Erich Hartmann amassed 352 kills by war's end.

Posted by: Holger at January 27, 2012 08:27 AM (zaVyn)

127 Posted by: Hub Zemke at January 27, 2012 12:24 PM (L3I4w)

The American flyer very nearly awarded a Nazi medal for bravery.

Posted by: Holger at January 27, 2012 08:31 AM (zaVyn)

128 Lucas has repeatedly said that what makes him unique as a film-maker is that he thinks outside of the box.

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Describing yourself as "thinks outside the box" is just an exercise in self-fellating and is almost always a lie. It's something that people have other people describe them as and then accept modestly. Unless you're a egomaniacal gasbag turd like Lucas.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 27, 2012 08:34 AM (yowgW)

129 Posted by: Hub Zemke at January 27, 2012 12:24 PM (L3I4w)

Nice fighter squadron you got there, be a shame if something happened to it.

Posted by: Gunther Rall's JG11 at January 27, 2012 08:34 AM (zaVyn)

130 JF 52 scored over 177 air victories in the Battle of Britain but at the loss of about 60 pilots. Still an impressive feat.

They got transferred to the Eastern Front and by the end of the war, probably downed close to 10,000 aircraft in the sky. Major Erich Hartmann amassed 352 kills by war's end.

Posted by: Holger at January 27, 2012 12:27 PM (zaVyn)

Germany was the only post war country that did not adjust it's aerial victories.

They also counted planes destroyed on the ground as a kill and took the pilots word on a kill without a witness since not all plane had gun cameras or enough film to go around.

Posted by: Hub Zemke at January 27, 2012 08:40 AM (L3I4w)

131 Link to 'Nine Myths of the Tuskegee Airmen'
^{by
Daniel L. Haulman, PhD
Chief, Organizational Histories Branch
Air Force Historical Research Agency}

Posted by: RioBravo at January 27, 2012 08:42 AM (eEfYn)

132 Posted by: Gunther Rall's JG11 at January 27, 2012 12:34 PM (zaVyn)

We know what happen to yours.

I like your quote about the ME-262
"Nice plane but it didn't change the scenery."

Posted by: Hub Zemke at January 27, 2012 08:43 AM (L3I4w)

133 Posted by: Hub Zemke at January 27, 2012 12:43 PM (L3I4w)

If only we had Spitfires.

Posted by: Adolf Galland at January 27, 2012 08:46 AM (zaVyn)

134

#4 "they didn't attack ships"

Wrong. Google the Italian torpedo boat "RM Auriga".

Posted by: Wrong at January 27, 2012 08:48 AM (JpC1K)

135 Oddly, when Plinkett appears in these, he's played by someone else.

Not odd at all. Harry S. Plinkett is like Vishnu: he has many incarnations.

Rich Evans was the original Mr. Plinkett in some short films, and he plays him on Half in the Bag. Mike Stoklasa plays Plinkett (voice and POV shots) in the full-length Plinkett reviews. There are now also Plinkett animations on YouTube based on the illustrations by Bill Mudron.

Posted by: Kevin Duran at January 27, 2012 08:48 AM (mAm+G)

136

The Tuskeegge Arimen must have won the war, right? And Martin Luther King created America, right?

And Barry Obama, saved us from ourselves.

It must feel weird to be a liberal.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at January 27, 2012 08:51 AM (iKmTn)

137 Dont forget about Pappy Boyington's VMF 214 destroyed or damaged 197 planes in just 84 days, in WWII.

Posted by: Joe in TX at January 27, 2012 08:54 AM (pjusE)

138
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at January 27, 2012 12:51 PM (iKmTn)

Given Hollywood's telling of history I wouldn't be surpised.

Posted by: Hub Zemke at January 27, 2012 08:55 AM (L3I4w)

139 137 Italian torpedo boat "RM Auriga".

...but it was most likely a different ship which they damaged...

Posted by: RioBravo at January 27, 2012 08:57 AM (eEfYn)

140 Dont forget about Pappy Boyington's VMF 214 destroyed or damaged 197 planes in just 84 days, in WWII.

Posted by: Joe in TX at January 27, 2012 12:54 PM (pjusE)

Plus we had all the cool nose art.

Posted by: PUTT PUTT MARU at January 27, 2012 09:00 AM (L3I4w)

141

Ace status is more a indicator of luck than anything else.

Posted by: Holger at January 27, 2012 12:11 PM (zaVyn)

Utter bullshit. Skill and aggression have far more to do with it and while jap planes lacked self-sealing fuel tanks they weren't that easy to shoot down. The jap naval pilots at the beginning of the war were some of the best trained in the world and their zero far outclassed the Wildcats and early model P-40s.

The krauts always inflated their victory claims but one thing a lot of people fail to realize is that American pilots were rotated home so they could teach new pilots what they learned in combat. That kept our pilots from racking up big scores but it guaranteed that we had an ever growing number of well-trained fighter pilots.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 27, 2012 09:04 AM (6BgmB)

142 The Tuskegee Airmen don't need their record exaggerated and yet libs insist on doing so.

Posted by: Benson at January 27, 2012 09:05 AM (qzcNU)

143

The story itself needs no imbellishment, so I don't know why he did. Oh wait, yea I do. It's Hollywood. The white pilots weren't running away. At the early part of the war the planes they had could only escort the bombers part of the way. The Germans knew this of course and simply waited to attack until our fighter escorts had to turn back. It wasn't until we got the Mustang that we were able to stay with them the whole time. Herman Goehring knew the war was lost when he saw the first Mustang over Berlin. But typical Hollywood liberal bullshit.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 27, 2012 09:15 AM (lCXr2)

144 Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 27, 2012 01:04 PM (6BgmB)

Keep in mind that many of the high scoring German Aces carried over there kills from the Spanish Civil War and took part in Operation Barbarossa racking an even higher score on the Eastern front.
When they got transferred to the Western Europe different story.

Posted by: PUTT PUTT MARU at January 27, 2012 09:18 AM (L3I4w)

145 124 Chuck, a minor correction, Rick Rescorla worked for Morgan Stanley, not Merrill Lynch.

Posted by: Traveling Dude at January 27, 2012 09:23 AM (Zt1eG)

146 If you like Air Combat, find the series "DogFight" on cable. Animations look as good as the movie trailer, and they have the actual old pilots giving commentary, and diagrams of the maneuvers.

They did a show on the German 'ramming' squadron that tried to take down bombers by crashing Messerschmidts into them. And they had survivors from the ramming German plane and rammed US Plane giving commentary.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 27, 2012 09:41 AM (z1N6a)

147 They didn't like Suckerpunch, which is nearly unforgivable. Posted by: shillelagh at January 27, 2012 11:16 AM (hRzu2) I could see how a reasonable person could not like that movie (though I did), but the review sounded like they weren't paying attention when they watched it. They claimed things weren't explained that were, and I think they missed a couple of scenes in the movie. Honestly I get the impression that they just rush some movies or skip over parts.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 27, 2012 09:59 AM (bxiXv)

148 " If you like Air Combat, find the series "DogFight" on cable. "

It's on Netflix as well.

Posted by: FORGER - Monster Hunter at January 27, 2012 10:05 AM (HYbYx)

149 A Totino's Pizza Roll ad opened the vid. LOL

Posted by: Harry Plinkett's Overworked Oven at January 27, 2012 10:09 AM (whMsz)

150

"That's... dumb."

Yeah, but that's pretty much what happened.

After a few months of the Red Tails being in action, bomber squadrons and groups began to request their protection over that of their white colleagues.

The Red Tails, in real life, never lost a bomber to enemy fighters.

White boys couldn't say that.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 27, 2012 10:12 AM (E7Z1r)

151 The sequence where the soldiers chant like an Under Armor commercial did it in for me. I mean, did Ray Lewis' grand father, fly a P-52? I saw that in the commercial and I thought, "What bullshit!" Does every damn "historical" movie have to play down to today's memes and stunts? How come Russel Crowe and company didn't do the same sort of thing before entering the arena in "Gladiator"? I'm sure this is has been a timeless practice from days immemorial. The sad part is the coming generations will view this as the authentic history. And no one will relieve them of their ignorance.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 27, 2012 10:25 AM (2TD8u)

152 Warren Bonesteel "The Red Tails, in real life, never lost a bomber to enemy fighters."

Wrong. They lost at least 25 to enemy fighters. That's been verified from Army Air Force records.

"White boys couldn't say that."

Better do some studying, boy.

Posted by: pst314 at January 27, 2012 10:27 AM (OA547)

153 It's utter fantasy. I've met several of the actual Tuskegee Airmen, interviewed one at length for articles. Great guys, fascinating stories, they were certainly heroic because they were rushed through training and put in harm's way in record time.

But I've also spoken at length with one of the legit Aces who trained them after he had flown too many combat missions, and others involved in the process. There is a lot of mythology out there, and it sounds like this film takes the myths and hypes them even beyond recognition.

By the time these flyers got into action, there just weren't many German fighters in the air. We had bombed the factories and airfields until industrial Germany looked about like a modern-day residential area in downtown Detroit. So there weren't the sort of dogfights I'm hearing in this move, the tactic described in the post was from an earlier point in the war.

The Ace who trained them laughed about their skills. None of them would have been cleared for combat if they weren't under pressure from the brass, according to him - we now know the whole concept leapt from the brain of that well-known military strategist, Eleanor Roosevelt.

The Airmen were brave and heroic, and there really isn't the need to make their actions into something they were not in order to recognize and honor them. But that's what myth-making and movie moguls are all about.

Posted by: Adjoran at January 27, 2012 10:51 AM (VfmLu)

154

The Tuskeegee Airmen were a very competent unit, but let's face it, most of their action was in the MTO - the aerial backwater of the war - especially following the accidental death of the "Star of Africa." Likewise, as storied as the Flying Tigers are, there early history isn't so much about patriotism as it is about mercenary pursuits, and they too fought in an aerial backwater. Japan's aerial cream of the crop flew for the IJN, not the Army - and not over BFE China. That said, I still wanted to see Red Tails until I saw just how cheesy the CGI was - worse even than in the Star Wars prequels. Meh!

Posted by: anthony at January 27, 2012 11:04 AM (UzoyA)

155 Correct me if I'm Wrong..But when Jimmy Doolittle took over Eighth Air Force in Europe, he turned the fighters loose to kill German fighters prior to the bomb run and strafe and kill targets of opportunity on hte way home. Blindly staying with the Bombers was not working out for the Fighters...

Posted by: ER White at January 27, 2012 11:39 AM (6K81O)

156 29 It's not the ignorant criticism of the movie that bothers me, it's the overt racism that I could do without. That and the ignorant criticism.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 27, 2012 11:30 AM (Sh42X)

Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…

George Lucas is a stuttering clusterf* of a miserable movie tyrant.

Posted by: Worf the Wonder Klingon at January 27, 2012 12:02 PM (wL5Cc)

157 159 29 Posted by: Worf the Wonder Klingon at January 27, 2012 04:02 PM (wL5Cc)

RRRRRAAACCCIIIISSSTTT!

Posted by: Kevin Duran at January 27, 2012 12:26 PM (mAm+G)

158 Correct me if I'm Wrong..But when Jimmy Doolittle took over Eighth Air Force in Europe, he turned the fighters loose to kill German fighters prior to the bomb run and strafe and kill targets of opportunity on hte way home. Blindly staying with the Bombers was not working out for the Fighters...

Posted by: ER White at January 27, 2012 03:39 PM (6K81O)

True, before him was Carl Spaatz.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 27, 2012 12:29 PM (L3I4w)

159 The Bravest American pilots of World War 2 are those who flew the F2 Brewster Buffalo into combat.
The Pilots with the highest kills flew in two B-29 Silver plate bombers Enola Gay and Bocks car, Along with the fire bomber raids over Japan.

Posted by: HEP-T at January 27, 2012 12:40 PM (tZ2RL)

160 160 159
29
Posted by: Worf the Wonder Klingon at January 27, 2012 04:02 PM (wL5Cc)

RRRRRAAACCCIIIISSSTTT!

Posted by: Kevin Duran at January 27, 2012 04:26 PM (mAm+G)

Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…

All humans look alike to a Klingon.

Posted by: Worf the Wonder Klingon at January 27, 2012 12:41 PM (wL5Cc)

161 I almost feel bad for Orca, she got taken again.

"Lets prove them wrong!"

Lady, Lucas makes crap movies. Any director worth his salt would tell him to get off the set and stay away.

Posted by: Deathknyte at January 27, 2012 12:45 PM (k8+pT)

162 I have no problem with this movie in the same way I had no problem with "Saving Private Ryan" or the "Audie Murphy" or "Robin Hood". Sure it's not historically acurate, but I don't think it is hurtful to the culture to puff up our heros a little. These were some pretty damn brave guys no matter how yu cut it. Flying fighter planes ain't for sissies. I'd salute any one of them I had the privilege to meet.

Posted by: Lokki at January 27, 2012 01:15 PM (a5F9g)

163 P.C-- B.S. in time for the election.....

Posted by: seamrog at January 27, 2012 03:34 PM (g6av1)

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