June 06, 2012

Heh: Is Bill Clinton a Double-Agent For the GOP?
— Ace

Okay, that's funny, but let me argue against Allah's and Krauthammer's suggestion he's working an angle.

All politicians bullshit. Right? It's a skill they have.

Nevertheless, whether they're skilled at bullshit or not, it's more difficult -- it takes more energy -- to lie than it does to tell the truth.

Bill Clinton is now an ex-politician. He doesn't have to bullshit -- or lie -- any longer.

He can lie. He could bullshit. But the question I'd ask is: Why would he bother?

For one thing, he did a lot of lying in the past. He's used up his quota.

For another thing: Why should he go out of his way for Obama? What has Obama done for him?

Bill Clinton is in a very small club of people-- Presidents of the United States of America. That's a big f'n' deal, as Joe Biden would say.

Whenever someone goes all-in in supporting a politician, he is inherently, unavoidably sort of putting himself beneath that politician.

It's unavoidable, really. Every day we talk about Mitt Romney, for example, and urge his victory, we're sort of saying "Mitt Romney is more important than we are, in the grand scheme of things, than we are."

Now, that's actually true. Not fun to confess, but it's true: The number of people who will have a greater impact on history, for good or for ill, than Mitt Romney (or Barack Obama, should he win) will be very small indeed.

But while that's true of almost everyone in America, and the world, as a matter of fact, there is one person that's not true of: Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton almost certainly favors Barack Obama to win again in 2012. That said, his ego would probably not permit himself to act as a simple flunkie or flack for Obama.

That's the kind of crap that Paul Begala does -- endless water-carrying for whatever idiot the Democrats have nominated this time 'round.

But Bill Clinton? Bill Clinton can tell himself, with some justification, that he doesn't need to lower himself to Paul Begala's level (or, for that matter, my level).

To many Democrats, Barack Obama is a hero and the most important transformational figure since... Bill Clinton.

To Bill Clinton, he's an idiot who f***ed everything up.

Like I'm said, I'm sure Bill Clinton would prefer if Barack Obama were reelected.

I also don't think he's going to work very hard to make that happen.

As Zaphod Beeblebrox's psychiatrist said of him: "He's just this guy, you know?"

Now, having said that: I'm actually not altogether sure Bill Clinton really thinks Obama is a good president, or should be trusted for four more years of maladministration.

It's definitely expected that he claim he believes this, and he's willing to conform himself to expected social obligations.

But I can understand him having less than full enthusiasm for the project. Obama is a disaster, and surely he knows this.

You can ask a friend to tell your wife you were out bowling, instead of doing what you were really doing, like making it rain at a strip club.

And he probably will cover for you.

But you can't expect him to lie with the same gusto as you might.

Barack Obama should stop expecting Bill Clinton to swear upon a pack of Bibles they were out bowling. Bill Clinton doesn't have to lie about making it rain anymore.

Oh, Here's a Better Analogy: Every have a very old relation who says racist things and embarrasses the family?

And then people say two things: "He's very set in his ways" and "He just doesn't care anymore."

I don't, but Adam Carolla was talking about that last month.

So: Bill Clinton's retired. He earned his federal pension. It's Golf City for him now.

He'll show up at family gatherings if you insist on it, but don't get him started on his Dominican Maid Who Steals His Pills.

He may say embarrassing things, but he's very set in his ways, and he just doesn't care anymore.

Posted by: Ace at 02:21 PM | Comments (298)
Post contains 692 words, total size 4 kb.

1 1st what is the definition of "is".

Posted by: DaveA at June 06, 2012 02:24 PM (NqmTy)

2 My  brother  Bill  is  always  up  to  mischief!  We  all  just  laugh  at  his  antics  and  you  should  too!   

Posted by: Roger Clinton at June 06, 2012 02:25 PM (c3mby)

3 BC is, and always has been, an agent for Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 02:25 PM (YdQQY)

4 This is so simple:
1)  Clinton thinks that the economy isn't going to get much better in the next 4 years (especially once the Euro blows up)
2)  After 8 years of Obama, who's going to vote for a Dem for President?
3) Who benefits in 2016, if a Republican wins, but the economy still stalls?

Posted by: JFH at June 06, 2012 02:25 PM (7nQR7)

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 06, 2012 02:27 PM (8y9MW)

6 Leave Zaphod alone!

Posted by: Crying Youtube Ubernerd at June 06, 2012 02:27 PM (mxnUd)

7 He's just covering all angles and possibilities - and getting in some sweet, intoxicating revenge. The "first black President" was called a racist. Ouch. His wife was dissed and passed over by and "amateur." He wants the "fame" back. He is laying out a path, a meme, whether she takes it or not, for Hillary to run for POTUS. God forbid, the "first woman" President is a conservative. The new push/pattern I am hearing: they CARE about America; and they see Obama destroying it (versus the entire Democratic Party).

Posted by: smartsleaze at June 06, 2012 02:27 PM (HOOye)

8 So Romney brings the economy back to life so Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham can step in and defeat him as an incumbent?  Naah.

I think this is probably just vendetta stuff.  And I like my popcorn with lots of butter.

Posted by: Cicero at June 06, 2012 02:27 PM (QKKT0)

9 Whenever someone sublimates himself to a politician, he is inherently, unavoidably sort of putting himself beneath that politician. I don't think sublimate means what Ace thinks it does.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 02:28 PM (niZvt)

10 Why would Bill carry water for a guy who'd have been getting him coffee a few years ago and who insulted his wife?  Bill may not like Hillary, but he does owe her something and he understands payback. 

Posted by: huerfano at June 06, 2012 02:28 PM (bAGA/)

11 Who was the interviewer during the "stirling record"? Was it of Megan Kelly quality? Perhaps he was just trying to get into her pants!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at June 06, 2012 02:28 PM (/VMLD)

12 Why would Bill carry water for a guy who'd have been getting him coffee a few years ago and who insulted his wife? Bill may not like Hillary, but he does owe her something and he understands payback.

Posted by: huerfano at June 06, 2012 06:28 PM (bAGA/)



Insulted Bill too.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 06, 2012 02:29 PM (z1N6a)

13 Clinton lies because it's fun.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 06, 2012 02:29 PM (MzWFN)

14 >>Bill Clinton almost certainly favors Barack Obama to win again in 2012.

I think this is his public projection but his private feeling, I suspect, is different.

If I were Slick Willy, I would be pissed about the way he handled Hillary. But then again, I doubt I would have married her.

Posted by: sTevo at June 06, 2012 02:30 PM (VMcEw)

15 >>>>Now, having said that: I'm actually not altogether sure Bill Clinton really thinks Obama is a good president, or should be trusted for four more years of maladministration.

Maybe he is counting time, figuring that another term of Obama would be disastrous and likely push a Republican in for at least 8 years. While if Obama loses, and Europe crashes like we all think it will, and burns the dollar with it, then Romney could also very possibly be a one termer, putting just 4 years instead of 12 between now and a possibility to get Hillary in the White House.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 02:30 PM (0q2P7)

16 Rush made the point today that the modern Democratic party was conceived as the child of Alinskyism and Chicago Way-style mobsterism. Obama understands the Alinsky part, but not the mobster part. A big part of mob behavior is respect for your elders. Not only does Obama not respect his elders, he has gone out of his way to disrespect them. Rush held up the example of Oprah, who basically threw away her TV career in order to get him elected. But she's persona non grata at the White House. Clinton, of course, understands both sides. And it won't bother him at all to watch this whippersnapper - who a few years ago would have been fetching him coffee - pay for his mistakes. And all Clinton has to do is to make this happen is...nothing.

Posted by: Viridian at June 06, 2012 02:30 PM (X7+Wq)

17 I don't think sublimate means what Ace thinks it does.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 06:28 PM (niZvt)



My dry ice pack is subordinating as we speak.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 06, 2012 02:30 PM (z1N6a)

18 I die a little inside when I hear the honorable Bill Clinton fail to speak clearly about our Lord and Savior. It's like if Scott Walker and Hitler had a kid and that kid punched me in the nuts.

Posted by: Ed Schultz at June 06, 2012 02:30 PM (I/Xad)

19 For the Hillary angle to work, Romney would have to win and then fail at turning things around to give The Beast an opening.

OTOH, if Obama is reelected, its a virtual guarantee that the economy would be in ashes by 2016 and that any Dem would be radioactive.  Soooo...

Maybe Hillary is better off with a Romney victory.  Bill is shorting the economy no matter what; its just a question of who gets blamed, Dem or GOP.

Posted by: Cicero at June 06, 2012 02:31 PM (QKKT0)

20 I'm with JFH.  Even if it's not about Hillary, specifically, I think that if there is anything (and it's a big "if") that Bill will support to his own degradation, it is the Democrat Party.

And Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.  That means that, if he somehow manages to win in November, he doesn't just destroy the party for 8 years, or even 12.  He might just destroy the nation, and he'd almost certainly destroy the Democrat party for a generation.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at June 06, 2012 02:31 PM (8y9MW)

21 After a lifetime of dissimulation, I kinda doubt Bill actually knows what's bullshit and what isn't anymore.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 06, 2012 02:31 PM (cjEEJ)

22 Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 06:28 PM (niZvt)

In psychobabble ace is incorrect, and in chemistry he is really, really incorrect.

So it must be an Ewok word.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 06, 2012 02:31 PM (nEUpB)

23 Obama understands the Alinsky part, but not the mobster part. A big part of mob behavior is respect for your elders. Not only does Obama not respect his elders, he has gone out of his way to disrespect them. Rush held up the example of Oprah, who basically threw away her TV career in order to get him elected. But she's persona non grata at the White House.

Posted by: Viridian at June 06, 2012 06:30 PM (X7+Wq)



That's because the mob doesn't have affirmative action...you have to work your way up.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 06, 2012 02:32 PM (z1N6a)

24
Clinton angling for Obama to dump Biden and bring in Hilary as a relief pitcher.  Then on to doing laps in the secretarial pool at Number One Observatory Circle.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 06, 2012 02:33 PM (kdS6q)

25 Subjugate - the Israeli sub scandal, IIRC.

Posted by: ChampionCapua at June 06, 2012 02:33 PM (KZi9D)

26 Bill Clinton will make the token effort. BO threw Hil a bone by making her SOS.  But back in their minds, they both know he jumped ahead of her in line.  He was supposed to wait until 2016.  It was her turn.

Posted by: gonzo711 at June 06, 2012 02:33 PM (uGlI1)

27 11 Who was the interviewer during the "stirling record"? Was it of Megan Kelly quality? Perhaps he was just trying to get into her pants! Posted by: IreneFingIrene at June 06, 2012 06:28 PM (/VMLD) Clinton's gone into so many pants Victoria's Secret mentions him in their wash instructions labels.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 02:34 PM (niZvt)

28 ...and another thang!!!...Obamas a Stuttering Cluster*uck of a Shitty Wingman!!!

Posted by: Slick Willie at June 06, 2012 02:34 PM (+z5LA)

29 Bill Clinton is nobody's fool and he has been waiting to step back into the limelight as the head of the Democrat party.

You never turn your back on the Clintons.  They are patient, they will stick the shiv in you when you least expect it and smile.

I give him credit, the old bastard is as slick as ever...the consummate politician.

Posted by: mpfs at June 06, 2012 02:34 PM (iYbLN)

30 It ain't rocket surgery. If Hillary gets into the Whitehouse then Bill gets into the Whitehouse with her. Obama is in the way.

Posted by: Rocket Surgeon at June 06, 2012 02:35 PM (0SL6O)

31 >> Bill Clinton doesn't have to lie about making it rain anymore.

Oh yes he does!!!

Posted by: Hillary at June 06, 2012 02:35 PM (4dy3y)

32 Of course Clinton's working an angle.  That angle is making Bill Clinton look better.   Look, right now who are we talking about?  Bill Clinton.  Who are we acknowledging is the king maker?  Bill Clinton.  Who are we now saying is the true hero of the Democrats?  Bill Clinton.  Who is proving he has the bigger dick?  Bill Clinton. 


Plus I still say this is revenge for the racist eleventy claims during the 2008 primary.   Clinton plays the long game and I think he's just getting started.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 06, 2012 02:35 PM (Gk3SS)

33 28...Hil hasnt had a bone thrown in her in years!!!

Posted by: Slick Willie at June 06, 2012 02:36 PM (+z5LA)

34 You can ask a friend to tell your wife you were out bowling, instead of doing what you were really doing, like making it rain at a strip club.
-

Posted by: RioBravo at June 06, 2012 02:36 PM (eEfYn)

35 Maybe Ace meant "suffocates"?

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 02:36 PM (niZvt)

36 >>He'll show up at family gatherings if you insist on it, but don't get him started on his Dominican Maid Who Steals His Pills.


That's blogger of the year material right there.

Posted by: Ed Schultz at June 06, 2012 02:37 PM (I/Xad)

37 Wasn't there a time when ex-presidents didn't campaign for current presidents, even of their own party?

Maybe they'd sit up in the box on convention night and wave at everybody, looking statesmanlike but that's about it.

Did I miss something?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2012 02:37 PM (J5tI6)

38 If Bill wants Hillary to get the (D) nod in '16, he'd better start playing ball a little better.

Posted by: Stark Dickflüssig at June 06, 2012 02:37 PM (0XbWx)

39 There are politicians and then there is Bill Clinton.

Kissing babies and stealing their lollipops.

Posted by: mpfs at June 06, 2012 02:38 PM (iYbLN)

40 4 This is so simple: could be...but, I think it could be simpler than that. Namely, a 1 term president is by definition a loser and despite the attention Obama will get from historians for being the 1st black president, he'll be a "loser" (and failure) compared to Clinton + I also think that Clinton flat out can't stand how fucking obnoxious BHO is. Can you imagine how cocky he'll be if he gets a second term?

Posted by: Ed Gibbon at June 06, 2012 02:38 PM (4eNxd)

41 I think the Clintons have given up on Hillary becoming President.

At this point it's about legacy and the whole elder statesman thing.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 06, 2012 02:39 PM (4dy3y)

42 Doesn't all the Bill Clinton Strategery come down to whether or not he wants Hill to run in '16 ('20 presumably making her too old)?  I'm sure he knows that if this fool is reelected, it will be 8 years of total economic hell in America.  Would he really imagine the country would willfully elect another Democrat?  I think not.  And I think he knows that.  If Hillary 2016 is in the Clintons' sights, he knows Obama will ruin her chances.  Couple that with the fact that Obama is a fuckwad who pissed BJ off and, well, here we are.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 06, 2012 02:39 PM (vOMX+)

43 The modern Democrat Party is a result of FDR's desire for communism in the U.S.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 02:40 PM (YdQQY)

44 I was just thinking today it would be funny as hell if Ulsterman's "White House Insider" should turn out to be Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at June 06, 2012 02:40 PM (fuw6p)

45 Fun Fact : The Stones song Angie "was written almost entirely both lyrically and musically by Keith Richards and in Richards' own biography he claims that the name Angie is a pseudonym for heroin and his attempt to quit while detoxing in Switzerland."

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 06, 2012 02:40 PM (I/Xad)

46 There are a number of misconceptions rampant in this thread that deserve to be cleared up.

1) Hillary's electoral chances are a complete non-factor. She's DONE, it's OVER, forget about her. She'll be 69 in 2016 and she's let herself go in the looks department. And truthfully, the American electorate is a helluva lot more sexist than it ever was "racist."

2) Bill may be an ex-president, but he's never gotten over the 22nd Amendment. He knows he would've crushed Bush in 2000 if he would've been able to run again. Clinton also hated Bush at the time because Bush hated Clinton for beating his dad. It wasn't until around 2004 that Clinton started cozying up to the Bush family (in preparation for a smooth transition from Dubya -> Hillary in 200 . Clinton still hasn't cozied up to Obama the way he has to the Bushes.

3) Bill may be an ex-president, but he lives for politics in general and the Democratic Party in particular. Unlike the Bushes, who did their time and became private citizens, Bill's love of politics, and his failure to create a meaningful legacy, keeps him restlessly involved in aiding the Democratic Party. Obama is a major problem for the Party.

4) Ironically, with Clinton having no legacy in terms of policies, his greatest legacy is being the only two term Donk since FDR. If Obama wins, Bill loses his luster.

Posted by: The Q at June 06, 2012 02:41 PM (LnQhT)

47 Did I miss something?


Yes.  Those are Republicans. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 06, 2012 02:41 PM (Gk3SS)

48 She's too far past her freshness date to be a candidate in 2016. To put full cynicism aside for a minute, maybe he just thinks that the unqualified candyass is horrible for the country.

Posted by: nickless at June 06, 2012 02:41 PM (MMC8r)

49 I would never characterize Bill Clinton as stupid, - a scumbag, yes, but not Obama-levels of stupid.

He knows a loser when he sees one.

Posted by: Fritz at June 06, 2012 02:41 PM (ZN5qR)

50 Clinton has to hate Obama and his minions after the way they trashed Hilary and him personally during the SC primaries (basically calling him a 'racist'). Plus, I believe that Clinton actually cares about the country while Obama does not. So it may be a bit of revenge plus some troothiness. The interviewer was Piers Morgan so I don't think that was it. As low as Paula Jones was, Piers would be even worse. Was he wearing his glasses that day?

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at June 06, 2012 02:41 PM (/VMLD)

51 Honestly, I don't care WHY he is doing it, I'm having fun just watching him do it.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 06, 2012 02:42 PM (0xqzf)

52 I think it's about payback and the fact that Clinton doesn't respect Obama. Every seen how comfortable Clinton and Bush the elder are together? They may have been on opposite sides of the political fence, but there's still affection and comradery that comes from being part of the club. You'll never see Clinton hanging out w/Obama just for kicks, though, the way he does with George HW Bush.

Posted by: Warden at June 06, 2012 02:43 PM (HzhBE)

53 Bill is the type of guy you could sit down and have a beer and laugh with even though you don't agree with his politics.

SCOAMF is an obnoxious, self-righteous prig.  The kind of guy where you shove his head in the toilet and flush...repeatedly.

Posted by: mpfs at June 06, 2012 02:43 PM (iYbLN)

54 I'll go with Oldcat's choice of "subordinate" for the apt "sub-" word here.

Posted by: lael at June 06, 2012 02:44 PM (T6tvG)

55

 

Clinton is a 'friendly foe".

You know.....the kind that smiles while he's tossing a grenade at you.

He doesn't like Barky.

But then, he doesn't like us either.

Posted by: wheatie at June 06, 2012 02:44 PM (eFqqI)

56

I think Bill Clinton is just hungry because he went on that big diet for Chelsea's wedding and now doesn't eat red meat. The man needs a steak, he's all whackadoodle from lack of red meat.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 06, 2012 02:45 PM (RZ8pf)

57 I don't have to lie anymore?  Ace, youre funny I lyke you, but I want to move back into the whyte house.


Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 06, 2012 02:45 PM (v1uZf)

58 I believe Bill Clinton has reached the 'old enough to cut the bullshit and tell it to you straight' phase when he starts speaking truth to power, like: "that Salma Hayek has some big ol' titties."  Until then, it's just more blablahblah.

Posted by: wooga at June 06, 2012 02:46 PM (vjyZP)

59 The White House seemed to have total, TOTAL, control of the narrative before Nov 2010. Now there are all these renegade Democrats making funny noises and throwing spitballs. Yeah, they apologize and recant, but then someone else gets out of line. It's spinning out of control. (God willing.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 06, 2012 02:46 PM (C8mVl)

60 Is "very set in his ways" an euphemism for "syphillitic?" Just wondering.

Posted by: Y-not at June 06, 2012 02:47 PM (5H6zj)

61 But "sublimate" works because it connotes psychological repression of desires or behavior and diverting/ channeling that energy toward a more lofty goal.

Posted by: lael at June 06, 2012 02:47 PM (T6tvG)

62 Bill Clinton's loyalties lie with the party and with Bill Clinton.

He may not like or respect Obama, but he will not willingly hand a win to the R's.

He is in a position to say whatever he chooses and, in the end, no matter what he says.. no matter how damaging.. the other team will still see it as Clinton supporting Obama simply because he claims he is supporting Obama.


As long as he SAYS he's supporting Obama, nothing else is relevant.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 02:48 PM (piMMO)

63 Granted, Dick Morris is a dubious source, but I want to believe his comment about Clinton saying to conservative friends, "you have 6 months to save America"

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 06, 2012 02:48 PM (AxHOT)

64 Regardless, this should be a huge selling point. I think there are a lot of moderates/independents who like Clinton or at least the relative economic well-being during his time. I'm sure almost all of these people voted for Odumbass and are feeling some regrets. Bill is validating these feelings. Are you a BC dem or a BHO dem? Your party abandoned you and common sense. Don't support them anymore or fight from within until they come back to sanity.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at June 06, 2012 02:48 PM (/VMLD)

65

I actually read that, but only because I caught a 'Zaphod' in there while I was skimming my way to the comments...

 

Posted by: garrett at June 06, 2012 02:48 PM (dn6e/)

66 I will refer everyone back to that VERY, EXTREMELY, UNBELIEVABLY weird presser last year when Obama left and Clinton was....hell, POTUS again.

In fact, if I can look back on it--that might be the night when I said that we are going to beat you know who.  Full stop.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 06, 2012 02:49 PM (7ItWM)

67 >>>Hillary's electoral chances are a complete non-factor. She's DONE, it's OVER, forget about her.

There is already text implicating her interest in 2016 while Bill was pushing her to do a primary bid this time around (I don't have that much time). As far as trying to figure out what Bill's angle is what you think her actual chances are isn't as relevant as what Bill and Hillary think her chances are.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 02:49 PM (0q2P7)

68 Does anyone know how I can get that cat commercial to stop loading...again and again.

Posted by: shut up at June 06, 2012 02:49 PM (4nxhP)

69 Bill Clinton's loyalties lie with the party and with Bill Clinton.

Posted by: garrett at June 06, 2012 02:49 PM (dn6e/)

70

[As long as he SAYS he's supporting Obama, nothing else is relevant.]

Disagree. Clinton just gave Romney material that he can use in a campaign ad. That is relevant.

Posted by: Warden at June 06, 2012 02:49 PM (HzhBE)

71 Posted by: ChampionCapua at June 06, 2012 06:33 PM (KZi9D)

Nice!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 06, 2012 02:50 PM (nEUpB)

72 Does anyone know how I can get that cat commercial to stop loading...again and again.


*****

It only started for me today, along with renewed difficulties with loading the page. So, I turned scripting off.... again.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 02:50 PM (piMMO)

73 [As long as he SAYS he's supporting Obama, nothing else is relevant.]
Disagree. Clinton just gave Romney material that he can use in a campaign ad. That is relevant


****

to them I should have said

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 02:51 PM (piMMO)

74 68 Granted, Dick Morris is a dubious source, but I want to believe his comment about Clinton saying to conservative friends, "you have 6 months to save America" Posted by: Ombudsman at June 06, 2012 06:48 PM (AxHOT) Everytime I see Dick Morris's name I think of him sucking that hooker's toes, and wonder if he cleaned out the black dirt between them with his tongue.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 02:52 PM (niZvt)

75 Obama understands the Alinsky part, but not the mobster part. A big part of mob behavior is respect for your elders. 

Posted by: Viridian at June 06, 2012 06:30 PM (X7+Wq) >>>>

 

That's kinda true in the Italian/Sicilian mob, to a point. In the Colombian mob, for instance, everyone is fair game. You cross someone, your whole family (including extended) can pay a price. Different scumbag mobs have their different scumbag rules. 

Posted by: joejm65 at June 06, 2012 02:53 PM (UZuc4)

76 Hi, I'm Bill Clinton for Dutch Masters.

Posted by: nickless at June 06, 2012 02:54 PM (MMC8r)

77 Clinton is a 'friendly foe".
You know.....the kind that smiles while he's tossing a grenade at you.
He doesn't like Barky.
But then, he doesn't like us either.

Posted by: wheatie at June 06, 2012 06:44 PM (eFqqI)



Anybody that trusts Slick ends up pregnant or dead or with STDs.


And please get these dogshit audio ads the fuck outta here.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2012 02:54 PM (E4eMV)

78 Bill wants Hillary elected because it's good for Bill. I saw one article today describing Hillary as a brilliant Secretary of State. Brilliant? Really? Have we had a success? I think SCOAMF better describes her performance.

Posted by: Chicago Voter at June 06, 2012 02:54 PM (qAGZa)

79 OT...in a bar and MSLSD is on a tv....dipshit Al not so Sharpton. Chyron came up that Romney received 4 Nam deferrments? Really?

Posted by: billygoat at June 06, 2012 02:54 PM (XIRMS)

80 The only reason Billy Jeff is being called on by this WH is to raise money. Obama is snake bit and he is trotting around more frenetically with diminishing results. They need the dough and they have to eat Clinton's crap to get it. Billy Jeff is daring the WH to send him home but they can't because they need the money.  And I bet Clinton is raising money for his foundation most of the time anyway instead of for Obama thus screwing him double.

Posted by: Bob at June 06, 2012 02:54 PM (PJXbW)

81 Ace, nice tweets to Ali.

It's looking like BU's latest attack is only solidifying the support for Ali and the case.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 02:54 PM (piMMO)

82 sublimate = just the tip, I promise

Posted by: wooga at June 06, 2012 02:55 PM (vjyZP)

83 Perhaps Bill is running a false flag operation. That if enough Dems say nice things about Romney, we'll consider him a RINO. Without realizing, of course, that most of us already do, and would vote for almost anyone against the SCOAMF.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 06, 2012 02:55 PM (YmPwQ)

84 72 "As far as trying to figure out what Bill's angle is what you think her actual chances are isn't as relevant as what Bill and Hillary think her chances are"

Here's what Bill had to say about his chances in 2016:

“I know you’re young enough!” Bill said, his voice booming. “That’s not what I’m worried about. I’m worried that I’m not young enough.”

Posted by: The Q at June 06, 2012 02:55 PM (LnQhT)

85 An alternative theory is that Clinton doesn't care for Obama because Barack isn't fun to chase girls with on account of the fact that he's gay.

Posted by: Warden at June 06, 2012 02:56 PM (HzhBE)

86 Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 06:40 PM (YdQQY)

I think you give FDR too much credit. I think he wanted an enlightened progressive country in which all people were cared for by the government, and all decisions were made by a council of learned elders such as himself. A squishy, gauzy view of the world such as FDR's made it easy to hope for some brave new world.

I use as evidence the fact that Stalin ate his lunch at every opportunity, and Churchill did not have a tremendously high opinion of FDR's intellect.

However, this doesn't mean that I don't hate him as much as you do. In fact, since I am a Jew, I probably hate him more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 06, 2012 02:56 PM (nEUpB)

87 ...hey Captain!

Posted by: billygoat at June 06, 2012 02:57 PM (XIRMS)

88 hey Billy!

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2012 02:57 PM (E4eMV)

89 83- "Anybody that trusts Slick ends up pregnant or dead " Tell me about it.

Posted by: Zombie Socks at June 06, 2012 02:58 PM (C8mVl)

90
Mom, you DESERVE to be President!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chelsea, lately at June 06, 2012 02:58 PM (UuLBC)

91 I think you can take what ace was getting at, who's the alpha dog, mix it in a pot with what a lot of I'm reading in the thread and voile. And spot on Vic. I take it back to Wilson though. Cloth. Scissors. Some assembly...

Posted by: teej at June 06, 2012 02:58 PM (sbimF)

92 "Bill Clinton a Double Agent?" As per Scottish Law, I vote "not proven."

Posted by: Arlen Specter at June 06, 2012 02:58 PM (cjcCc)

93 85 "Chyron came up that Romney received 4 Nam deferrments? Really?"

Yeah, but nothing wrong with it. I think 3 of the 4 were for his Mormon missionary campaign and the other was for college

Posted by: The Q at June 06, 2012 02:59 PM (LnQhT)

94 Bill Clinton is a racist Southerner and a disgrace to all correctly-thinking progressive people. He is a disgrace to women for the way he treats them. Barack Obama would never demand sexual favors from a vulnerable female employee, which is why he needs to remain our President.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 06, 2012 03:00 PM (jWvfJ)

95 Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 06:52 PM (niZvt)

Thanks for that image, you nutmeg-counterfeiting bastard.

I will have to cleanse my palate with this:   http://is.gd/5KDQ0U   (NSFW)

But you aren't allowed to click.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 06, 2012 03:00 PM (nEUpB)

96 If I was bill clinton and I wanted to sabotage the Obama campaign... what would I do differently?

Posted by: chaz at June 06, 2012 03:01 PM (sSNkG)

97 "Chyron came up that Romney received 4 Nam deferrments? Really?" Is that more than MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell?

Posted by: nickless at June 06, 2012 03:01 PM (MMC8r)

98
"Chyron came up that Romney received 4 Nam deferrments? Really?"


Unlike our intrepid JEF, who served faithfully in the Indonesian Dog Eating corps, and phoned in Seal teams from the 14th tee.

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 06, 2012 03:01 PM (UuLBC)

99 IreneFingIrene:
>> I think there are a lot of moderates/independents who like Clinton or at least the relative economic well-being during his time. I'm sure almost all of these people voted for Odumbass and are feeling some regrets.

Yeah, totally.

This gives them a face-saving way out:  I voted for Obama because I thought he'd be like Clinton.  I wasn't stupid, I was misled.

Most Democrats will stay with Obama, but enough will defect.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 06, 2012 03:01 PM (4dy3y)

100 Supplicate? Subjugate? Meh, let's just say he doesn't feel like kissing his arse.

Posted by: jakeman at June 06, 2012 03:01 PM (96M6e)

101
I saw one article today describing Hillary as a brilliant Secretary of State. Brilliant? Really? Have we had a success? I think SCOAMF better describes her performance.


*****

Speaking of SoS's, I read somewhere that Condi Rice is headlining her first D.C. fundraiser this month: ShePAC. She will be giving a speech about foreign policy.

I still think she's in the running for V.P.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 03:01 PM (piMMO)

102 Hey Mary...go F yourself sideways... The Q at 100...thx for clarification!

Posted by: billygoat at June 06, 2012 03:02 PM (JP1Pf)

103

Hillary has very little chance at getting the Democratic nomination, ever. Look at her; sheÂ’s physically a wreck, she looks old.


Clinton is trying to salvage what he can of the Democratic Party, or at least be able to say that he tried, and pave the way for some new, young candidate to follow his lead and try to resurrect the party.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 06, 2012 03:03 PM (j/IPM)

104 I have always said FDR did more to harm this country than any other President, before or after.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 03:04 PM (YdQQY)

105 I just can't forget what a sleaze Clinton was while in office. Time has blunted my disgust for him, but not much. The only good thing I have to say about Clinton is, he is not Obama.

Posted by: Ronster at June 06, 2012 03:04 PM (mHC3R)

106 Hmmmmm.  Let me think. Oh, I know--



(1)  Revenge is a dish best served cold; and,
(2) the Clintons never forget.

Posted by: eureka! at June 06, 2012 03:04 PM (xCpfo)

107 Clinton left a $236 billion surplus that Dumbya turned into a $1.3 trillion annual deficit.

I say he deserved a blowjob from a chubby intern for that.

Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at June 06, 2012 03:04 PM (BjL0+)

108 No, it's succubate: "To have carnal knowledge of (a man), as a succuba."

Posted by: jakeman at June 06, 2012 03:04 PM (96M6e)

109 Jake Tapper just tweeted about Saxby Chambliss' letter.

This is what it was meant to do, not to get Holder up off his ass.

Jake Tapper @jaketapper

Conservative Bloggers Targeted by ‘SWATing’; Saxby Chambliss Wants Answers, from @ArletteSaenz > http://abcn.ws/KSZJIB


Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2012 03:04 PM (J5tI6)

110 I think you give FDR too much credit. I think he wanted an enlightened progressive country in which all people were cared for by the government, and all decisions were made by a council of learned elders such as himself. A squishy, gauzy view of the world such as FDR's made it easy to hope for some brave new world.

I use as evidence the fact that Stalin ate his lunch at every opportunity, and Churchill did not have a tremendously high opinion of FDR's intellect.


Reading "The Forgotten Man", which I found good as an overview but ultimately unsatisfying in the lack of details, it was bizarre how much FDR reminded me of the JEF in the whack stuff he did, particularly about the economy and exchange rates in particular.  I think Winnie was very accurate about Frankie; not that he didn't have his own weaknesses *cough* Gallipoli *cough*.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2012 03:04 PM (E4eMV)

111 Barack Obama would never demand sexual favors from a
vulnerable female employee

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 06, 2012 07:00 PM (jWvfJ)

No, from a vulnerable male employee.

Posted by: Ombudsman at June 06, 2012 03:05 PM (AxHOT)

112 107 Supplicate? Subjugate? Meh, let's just say he doesn't feel like kissing his arse. Posted by: jakeman at June 06, 2012 07:01 PM (96M6e) Subrogate?

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 03:05 PM (niZvt)

113 Wilson was a real asshole, yes.  But still he did less harm than FDR simply because congress stopped most of his shit.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 03:05 PM (YdQQY)

114 O/T:  Was just talking to an old vet.  He's very upset that nothing was said about D day by the president.  Is that true?  Nothing was said.  I just listened to him cause I felt that somehow I was there to politely listen.  I told him that he probably did say something and he missed it.  That made him feel better.

Posted by: / at June 06, 2012 03:05 PM (oZfic)

115 118 Barack Obama would never demand sexual favors from a vulnerable female employee Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 06, 2012 07:00 PM (jWvfJ) HOMO!

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 03:06 PM (niZvt)

116 I am the one I've been, ummmmmm, waiting, uhhhh, fore!

Posted by: TEH WON at June 06, 2012 03:06 PM (JP1Pf)

117 Wheels within wheels....
There are factions in the Dem party. Obama belongs to one faction, the radical leftists. Clinton belongs to another faction, the technocratic liberals. Other factions are Racist Minorities (in Obama's camp), Feminazis (Clinton's Camp), Kennedys (their own camp), Bureaucrats (split between camps), elderly Jewish Liberals (Clinton), Gay Activists (Hillary) and many others.

Clinton was very deft at palliating and recruiting members of all the different factions. Obama is not. He's pissed off the technocrats, the Kennedys, the anti-war pacifists, the far left radicals (ironically, since that was his original base of support within the party).

All Obama really has left are the Feminists, the racists, and the gay activists. That's why he had to make a seriously noncommittal statement about Gay marriage. no-one else was going to fund his campaign. But he had to do it in a way that wouldn't alienate his Black supporters.

It's obvious to an experienced operator like Clinton that Obama is losing this one. So what to do? Settle old scores, resume control of the party apparatus, and especially, set up for the next election. All of these are accomplished by undercutting Obama.

People who dismiss Hillary 2016 as his motivation forget that a financial boom under Romney will come as a surprise to liberals. They expect the extended recession to go on for years and years, especially if Romney has the cojones to  actually cut spending. They really believe that cutting spending will extend the misery.

Posted by: Danby at June 06, 2012 03:06 PM (g1kPC)

118 As Zaphod Beeblebrox's psychiatrist said of him: "He's just this guy, you know?" LMFAO My favorite line, and in the radio show he say it in this Freud accent "Zaphod...Zaphod iz just zis guy, you know?"

Posted by: Max Power at June 06, 2012 03:07 PM (q177U)

119 Clinton a) loves to make himself look better than any preznit, and b) could be setting the stage for either the Dem abandonment of Obama this year (not likely) or Hillary running in 2016. Or he is cranky and WTF he is the Honey Badger.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Lithuanian by mistake of publisher at June 06, 2012 03:07 PM (baL2B)

120 Bill may not like Hillary, but he does owe her something and he understands payback.

Just spitballing, but is it possible that Bill knows Hillary won't be elected president in '16, and this is just his way of atoning for Monica?

Posted by: pep at June 06, 2012 03:07 PM (6TB1Z)

121 Jake Tapper just tweeted about Saxby Chambliss' letter.


****

One of the tweeters suggested earlier that bumping up Saxby's "followers" roll would be a good way to let him know it is appreciated and that word is spreading.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 03:07 PM (piMMO)

122 Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 07:05 PM (YdQQY)

Social Security.

That's all he needed to do. Everything else was just icing on the shitcake he served to America.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (nEUpB)

123 "Chyron came up that Romney received 4 Nam deferrments? Really?"

Unlike our intrepid JEF, who served faithfully in the Indonesian Dog Eating corps, and phoned in Seal teams from the 14th tee.

Yeah, John McCain isn't running so now military service isn't important.

It wasn't in 1992 or 1996.  It was in 2000, but not so much.  Very important in 2004.  Irrelevant in 2008.  You know the drill.

Here's the thing: I thought being in college and having 3 kids would make for 4 deferments.  Sorry guys, Clinton was the only draft-dodger.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (J5tI6)

124 #118, you have no idea, buddy.

Posted by: Kal Penn at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (jWvfJ)

125 As for Clinton, you could say that this last economic collapse was because of him and the Democrat congress he had for the first 2 years.  They took CRA which was enacted during the Crater years but was toothless and used the regulatory process to give it teeth out of public sight.


However, without Obama and the first two years of his commie congress we would already have recovered from that.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (YdQQY)

126 117, Cap'n, not only that, I was stunned by how you could transpose names from then and today, and Forgotten Man would almost read the same. Heck, Harold M. Ickes instead of Harold L. Ickes. History, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: jakeman at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (96M6e)

127 120 Wilson was a real asshole, yes. But still he did less harm than FDR simply because congress stopped most of his shit. Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 07:05 PM (YdQQY) He got the whole UN/One World Government thing started, with the League of Nations. The damage to our national sovereignty is still playing itself.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (niZvt)

128 We're seeing the first salvos in the "Hillary! in '16" campaign, that's what it is.

The Clintons like power. Bill had his, now it's Hillary's turn.

She'll have her "!" back by 2014.

Posted by: Veeshir at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (bsVpj)

129 >> Yikes. Just sayin'...

To clarify, I didn't mean myself.  The "I" in that sentence was the hypothetical Democrat.  I, your old pal Sandy, did not vote for Obama.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (4dy3y)

130 >>>Clinton is a 'friendly foe".
You know.....the kind that smiles while he's tossing a grenade at you.
He doesn't like Barky.
But then, he doesn't like us either.

He doesn't like us because we are political opposition. He dislikes Obama personally. If it was politically favorable to support us, do you not think he would do it?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 03:08 PM (0q2P7)

131 I HATE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Cluster*uck from East BFE, VT. at June 06, 2012 03:09 PM (JP1Pf)

132 I am not having sex with that man, Barack Obama, and now let me get back to campaigning for him.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 06, 2012 03:09 PM (BVkEs)

133 Leader of Socialist Movement Kazakhstan found dead In memory of Takhir Narimanovich Mukhamedzyanov Socialists suspect foul play and bringing those responsible to justice.

Posted by: Radish at June 06, 2012 03:10 PM (P3ww6)

134 @111 - I wouldn't argue with that old buddy. I think obambi is trying to give him a run for his money though. Gotta get some stuff done outside before the skeeters come out. Later.

Posted by: teej at June 06, 2012 03:10 PM (sbimF)

135 Tension between Hillary and Obama. Hillary wants to be president

Posted by: Radish at June 06, 2012 03:10 PM (P3ww6)

136 >> To Bill Clinton, [Obama's] an idiot who f***ed everything up.

Some support for that in the clip where Clinton says something like, "Remember me? I'm the only guy who gave you four surplus budgets."

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at June 06, 2012 03:11 PM (UCR1O)

137 Bill Clinton is from Hot Springs Arkansas. If you don't know it, you don't know Bill. He could alternately do you some great favor and then fuck your wife. You don't know these people like I do. They are all that crazy breed of lowland Scots Irish who you want with you in a Fox Hole but you want them in front of you.

I think he's waiting to get revenge. Just wait. We can wait a looooooong time.

Posted by: Dagny at June 06, 2012 03:11 PM (WCAIB)

138 Totally OT, but after watching that ad on FNC just now, I will never buy Gevalia coffee just because the ad was so fucking stupid.

I don't want my money to promote stupidity at that level.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 03:11 PM (piMMO)

139 He got the whole UN/One World Government thing started, with the League of Nations


Yes but the US remained out of it thanks to congress.  Not so with FDR/Truman who got what they wanted with the UN.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 03:11 PM (YdQQY)

140 Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 07:08 PM (YdQQY)

One of the first changes was mandating that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac devote a certain % of their funds to affordable housing. That started the shitstorm that we have today.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 06, 2012 03:12 PM (nEUpB)

141 Every single comment is the correct answer. Like I said way up yonder. A leader covers every angle, every possibility, and leaves as much in the grey zone to be able to produce or create from it down the road. There does not have to be some grand plan (there could be many), but the fertile ground to accomplish, or go in a certain direction, if need be. What will work in a particular date and time. And, they always look to the future, waiting for the next prospect. I also think it speaks volumes that Hillary will not campaign for Obama. She's says she's done, yet had a nice face lift. She and Bill are two peas in a pod. Leaving anything open; and keeping it close to their breasts. Opportunism.

Posted by: smartsleaze at June 06, 2012 03:12 PM (HOOye)

142 Kudlow is saying the market went up as a result of the Walker win....

Had the president of the trial lawyers association on against a guy, didn't catch his name, tuned in at the end of his rant, but he had to have been a moron...

He made mincemeat out of mr. smug...

Posted by: / at June 06, 2012 03:12 PM (oZfic)

143 I genuinely think Clinton is purposely attempting to undermine Obama because :

A) he holds a grudge that Obama beat his team in '08
B) It sets up Hillary nicely if the economy doesn't rebound by 2016
C) Clinton remains the only living, two term Democrat President (most important)

Posted by: Jillian at June 06, 2012 03:13 PM (0kf1G)

144 This is why I said we should invite Clinton to speak at the GOP convention.

Posted by: soothsayer, for your own good at June 06, 2012 03:13 PM (j7IJ7)

145 The other thing that allowed FDR to do so much harm is 4 GD terms and an "easy" Senate that allowed him to pack the court.  We have never recovered from that.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 03:15 PM (YdQQY)

146 People who dismiss Hillary 2016 as his motivation forget that a financial boom under Romney will come as a surprise to liberals. They expect the extended recession to go on for years and years, especially if Romney has the cojones to actually cut spending. They really believe that cutting spending will extend the misery.

Posted by: Danby at June 06, 2012 07:06 PM (g1kPC)



They're all economic retards from listening to that shithead Krugman; I'll bet none of them has the understanding of a supply or demand curve.  I honestly think the JEF believed the economy was gonna spring back by magic no matter what he did, and that he'd be able to pick off and tax the fuck out of golden apples that appeared on trees; he probably blames the hook-nosed bastards for making that not happen.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2012 03:15 PM (E4eMV)

147 Vic is just pissed at FDR because he voted against him four times in a losing cause!


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 06, 2012 03:16 PM (nEUpB)

148 There is no One World Gov movment, you nutjobs.  I also heard about Bush's NAFTA Highway for eight years.  Its all a bunch of bullshit.  The UN cannot put their panties on properly.

The US Dollar is King.  Its up 14% in four years and all the other major currencies are falling.

Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at June 06, 2012 03:16 PM (BjL0+)

149 Hide your wives and daughters, first.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 06, 2012 07:15 PM (vbh31)



And spay your dogs.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2012 03:17 PM (E4eMV)

150 Condi Rice for VP, that would be a reason for pudding. (Set up for the obvious comment)

Posted by: Chicago Voter at June 06, 2012 03:17 PM (qAGZa)

151 Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 06, 2012 07:15 PM (vbh31)

Have you seen him recently? He looks like shit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 06, 2012 03:17 PM (nEUpB)

152 How many bloggers are going to have short lives from lack of physical activity

Posted by: Radish at June 06, 2012 03:18 PM (P3ww6)

153 153

Bill Clinton is more welcome to speak at the GOP Convention than George W. Bush.

Madness.

Posted by: The Q at June 06, 2012 03:18 PM (LnQhT)

154 Vic is just pissed at FDR because he voted against him four times in a losing cause!


You forget that at the time the South was solid Democrat all the way up to 1968.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 03:19 PM (YdQQY)

155 Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at June 06, 2012 07:16 PM (BjL0+)
-----------

Prince William is the Antichrist. Google it. Put some ice on it. It won't happen again. Til next time. Aww, shucks...

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 06, 2012 03:20 PM (BVkEs)

156 Vic is just pissed at FDR because he voted against him four times in a losing cause! Vic is pissed at everything

Posted by: Radish at June 06, 2012 03:20 PM (P3ww6)

157

OK, after:

 

"He can lie. He could bullshit. But the question I'd ask is: Why would he bother?"

 

You left me thinking, "Geez,  Ace, you can do better than this."

 

The fact is, guys like Clinton lie as a matter of pathology, and as a matter of instinct. It takes these guys conscious effort to NOT lie. Sorry.

 

That being said, you caught up later. Yes, Clinton's going to be of the Dem side (it's his team!) but, no, he's not going to make himself an Obama lap-dog, or bend over backwards, doing it.

 

THAT makes perfect sense, and explains everything.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 06, 2012 03:20 PM (As94z)

158 @165: so FDR was the South's Revenge for Sherman's March to the Sea?

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 03:21 PM (niZvt)

159 He's just positioning himself and Hillary to take over control of the Democratic Party when Obama goes down in flames and brings all the sycophants with him.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2012 03:21 PM (XvHmy)

160 Bill Clinton is a vile lying pile of white gangster feces. The fact that his statements and actions may currently favor our aspirations is a combination fortunate happenstance, karma, and a bump with certain aspects of current realities.

I wouldn't read anything remotely positive into the actions of that scumbag.

Oh, and his loyalty, if that's a word in his vocabulary, is definitely with Hill, cuz of his past she owns his nuts. 

Posted by: ontherocks at June 06, 2012 03:22 PM (aZ6ew)

161 Every have a very old relation who says racist things and embarrasses the family


No, but I have a younger SIL who is a liberal retard who says stupid shit all the time.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 03:22 PM (YdQQY)

162 Vic is pissed at everything

Posted by: Radish at June 06, 2012 07:20 PM (P3ww6)


Not everything, just the stuff in Washington.

Posted by: Vic at June 06, 2012 03:23 PM (YdQQY)

163 Bill Clinton is a double-agent for Bill Clinton's penis.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Fritz at June 06, 2012 03:24 PM (ZN5qR)

164 Did Chelsea get a divorce? MSM said the relationship was having problems awhile ago

Posted by: Radish at June 06, 2012 03:24 PM (P3ww6)

165 Bill Clinton is a narcissistic slave to his cock. Barack is a narcissistic slave to someone else's cock. Those two could never see eye to eye. Unless of course they are snoodling.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 06, 2012 03:26 PM (9TTOe)

166 174 Bill Clinton is a double-agent for Bill Clinton's penis. Prove me wrong. Posted by: Fritz at June 06, 2012 07:24 PM (ZN5qR) Didn't Congress issue him a Presidential subpenis when he was in office?

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 03:26 PM (niZvt)

167 I think Clinton enjoys being the elder statesman who is the standard 2 term dem President. I think he could care less if Obama wins. I think he would like nothing more than for black Chicago Jesus to go off in shame so he can be back on the pedestal. All the while smiling to himself and laughing at having the last laugh.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 06, 2012 03:26 PM (DGIjM)

168

"158 ... The US Dollar is King. Its up 14% in four years and all the other major currencies are falling."

This reminds me of the parable of two guys being chased by a bear, where the punch line is where the one guy says to the other something like, "I don't have to outrun the bear - I just have to outrun YOU."

 

Yeah, I can't believe it's that the Almighty Dollar is doing so great - it's that the other major currencies are in even worse trouble. Please correct me if I'm wrong! I would be delighted to be wrong on this.

 

Posted by: Optimizer at June 06, 2012 03:27 PM (As94z)

169 176 Bill Clinton is a narcissistic slave to his cock. Barack is a narcissistic slave to someone else's cock. Those two could never see eye to eye. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 06, 2012 07:26 PM (9TTOe) I'm thinking anus to anus, IYKWIM.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 03:27 PM (niZvt)

170 I think ontherocks might hate the red-nosed predator trash as much as I do; which I thought was borderline impossible.  Here's the final Jeopardy question:  Do you think he was lying out of his hilljack ass when he told that whopper about standing up to his drunk step-daddy when he was bouncing his whore mama off the drywall, doubtlessly for giving it away at some local watering hole?  Not only do I think it was a lie, I think he was spanking "little Willie" in a closet and taking notes on how to treat wimmenz.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2012 03:27 PM (E4eMV)

171 175 Did Chelsea get a divorce? MSM said the relationship was having problems awhile ago Posted by: Radish at June 06, 2012 07:24 PM (P3ww6) Anyone that assumed that somehow Chelsea was going to escape that den of fuckedupedness unscathed was bullshitting themselves.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 06, 2012 03:28 PM (9TTOe)

172 Radish:
>> How many bloggers are going to have short lives from lack of physical activity

Sounds like a call for government action.  Don't worry ace, I'm here to help.

Posted by: Mayor Bloomberg at June 06, 2012 03:28 PM (4dy3y)

173 This isn't complicated. It's payback.

The 2008 Dem nomination was Hillary's. In the bag. Everyone knew it.

And then she got out-historic-ed by a guy not long removed from the Illinois state senate.

And the Obama campaign accused the Clintons of racism at one point. Total hardball.

Now it's payback time.

Posted by: tsj017 at June 06, 2012 03:29 PM (vOH26)

174 Bill likes the control of the party. Doesn't like that the left took it away from him. Bill really doesn't have many strong convictions besides power. didn't like the guy but you have to give him kudos for being the best populist politician since FDR.

Posted by: Chicago Voter at June 06, 2012 03:29 PM (qAGZa)

175 chris matthews did not want to hear any criticism of the scoamf from joe klein.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl clinging to my bible, gun and coca cola at June 06, 2012 03:30 PM (Ho2rs)

176 Contrary idea: The lockstep partisanship that HotAir craves is actually alien to most Americans. They don't care if their attitudes or opinions "won't help".

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 06, 2012 03:32 PM (3GtyG)

177 I think Clinton either believes that Romney is going to win, loves the mic and the attention he gets for talking like this... or is working to set up Hillary as a convention surprise.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 06, 2012 03:32 PM (r4wIV)

178 185 Bill likes the control of the party. Doesn't like that the left took it away from him. Bill really doesn't have many strong convictions besides power. didn't like the guy but you have to give him kudos for being the best populist politician since FDR. Posted by: Chicago Voter

Funny how Clinton doesn't look *as* left as he did while in office.  He also had much better political sense than Obama when the GOP took Congress and forced him to sign cap gains cut and welfare reform.  Obama would've said, "I don't care how good these would be for the country as a whole, they're not fair to my base."

Posted by: SFGoth at June 06, 2012 03:33 PM (dZ756)

179

That.... or Bill's support for Obama is like my support for Romney...

 

Lukewarm.... wish we had someone else... will say somthing when we think they're wrong... but will support them because they are better than the other guy, and somewhat, on our side....

 

Thus... when he thinks Bambi is wrong? he CAN say somthing...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2012 03:33 PM (lZBBB)

180 >Every have a very old relation who says racist things and embarrasses the family?

I don't know if it's embarrassing, it's just the way that generation was.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 06, 2012 03:33 PM (dBvlk)

181 US President Barack Obama has marked the 68th anniversary of the D-Day landings in Normandy with a personal tweet. ========== Feel better now?

Posted by: Jay at June 06, 2012 03:33 PM (TzrpT)

182

"I think he would like nothing more than for black Chicago Jesus to go off in shame so he can be back on the pedestal. All the while smiling to himself and laughing at having the last laugh."

 

This sounds pretty sensible, really.  Think about it - Clinton was a success by compromising, and getting results - despite his numerous scandals. Obama is just a nobody dick who has gotten by on zero accomplishments by playing the race card. The idea that such a absurdly narcissistic clown would become his equal - much less his SUCCESSOR - must be a little hard to swallow.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 06, 2012 03:34 PM (As94z)

183 Surely, it's both, 1. it's personal, and 2., he doesn't give a rat's ass. He doesn't have to belittle himself.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 06, 2012 03:34 PM (QxSug)

184 Heh: Is Bill Clinton a Double-Agent For the GOP?

This has to be the dumbest proposition I have heard - and that includes all the screeching from the dems and their MSM pets about their total loss in Wisconsin. 

Bill Clinton is no friend of America or the GOP, which is partly why Mittens and everyone else in the GOP should have one thing to say about Clinton whenever he opens his mouth - "Shut up, you disgraced scumbag.  No one cares what you think about anything because you have no credibility and nothing of value to say."

This is also why I keep saying that Kraut (and allah) are idiots.  Because they are.  Dangerously stupid.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 03:35 PM (X3lox)

185 Ulsterman's mole has been predicting this for over a year. I'm completely unsurprised to see the Clinton wing of he party straying "off message" and undercutting Obama's well laid campaign strategy. There will be more.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2012 03:36 PM (Why44)

186 Bill Clinton is no friend of America or the GOP, which is partly why Mittens and everyone else in the GOP should have one thing to say about Clinton whenever he opens his mouth - "Shut up, you disgraced scumbag. No one cares what you think about anything because you have no credibility and nothing of value to say."

This is also why I keep saying that Kraut (and allah) are idiots. Because they are. Dangerously stupid.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 07:35 PM (X3lox)



Double Agents aren't friends.  They are your tools.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 06, 2012 03:37 PM (z1N6a)

187 Clinton and BHO are dueling narcissists.

Posted by: Marybel at June 06, 2012 03:38 PM (QGwv0)

188 Oh, dear God! "...So: Bill Clinton's retired. He earned his federal pension. It's Golf City for him now. He'll show up at family gatherings if you insist on it, but don't get him started on his Dominican Maid Who Steals His Pills..." Did not see that one coming and almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard. Deserved more than an ROFLMAO.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose~AoSHQ Graveyard Shift at June 06, 2012 03:38 PM (iKSAz)

189

There is a major schism between the inner party of Dem as Obama operating as a political ingenue operating free of convention and full of progressive agitation under the constant advisement of one, Valerie Jarrett (who herself quite hasn't even hit the rung of ingenue in terms of political intelligence and that of standard fare intelligence).

In short, Bill Clinton is an uber political operator who thrives on a constant state of control as a self-appointed "thought-leader" who is the titular head of the party of Dem, operating with high status and charge demanding those in the party, inclusive of Obama, be obsequious when he himself, the big titular,is in the house, for Clinton is, if anything, one who demands respect for his operation of Dem. 

The take-away from Bill Clinton's dissonance (to the expected harmonics in promo of Team Obama) is the fact 1) Clinton does not want to fully deconstruct the United States and is genuiely frightened of Obama's nature and 2) Bill Clinton ain't into inurement.

  

Posted by: Journolist at June 06, 2012 03:38 PM (QWOh7)

190

Double Agents aren't friends. They are your tools.

 

Consquentialism makes tools of us all.

Posted by: iKant at June 06, 2012 03:39 PM (dn6e/)

191 Double Agents aren't friends. They are your tools.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 06, 2012 07:37 PM (z1N6a)



Clinton's a broken and warped tool, too.  He's worthless.  Useless.  Feckless.  Shameless.  Brainless.  He needs to be repudiated at every turn, just like the rest of the idiot dems.  Like I said, no one with a brain should care what he says about anything. 

This is nothing but internal America-hating dem politics.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 03:40 PM (X3lox)

192 Consider that from a certain perspective, Obama was more successful than Bill Clinton, he got a stimulus passed, as well as national healthcare, he seems on the way, to fulfilling the Iowa Peace Pledge,

Posted by: Cthluthu at June 06, 2012 03:41 PM (6RslH)

193
Ah ain't no ways tahrd!

Posted by: HILLARY! at June 06, 2012 03:41 PM (UuLBC)

194 No one should ever do anything to lend any legitimacy to Clinton.  He should be mocked and derided.  Period.  No matter what he's saying.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 03:42 PM (X3lox)

195 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 03:42 PM (Xb3hu)

196 >>>Clinton's a broken and warped tool, too. He's worthless. Useless. Feckless. Shameless. Brainless.

And influential and well respected by moderate Dems. He could start a preference cascade.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 03:43 PM (0q2P7)

197 Bill Clinton can make a fraction of the democrat vote be gone... by sounding like a non commie and giving hope to Hilliary challenging Romney in 2016.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 06, 2012 03:43 PM (DGIjM)

198 Clinton's a broken and warped tool, too. He's worthless. Useless. Feckless. Shameless. Brainless. He needs to be repudiated at every turn, just like the rest of the idiot dems. Like I said, no one with a brain should care what he says about anything.

This is nothing but internal America-hating dem politics.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 07:40 PM (X3lox)



Sounds like you care what Clinton says, since it needs to be repudiated.

I don't.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 06, 2012 03:43 PM (z1N6a)

199 "Hillary's electoral chances are a complete non-factor. She's DONE, it's OVER, forget about her."
Exactly, 2008 was her last gasp and let's be honest, she wasn't up to the job anyway. And there are more than a few women who would refuse to vote for a female president just on general principle - and guys too.
Even if she was a viable candidate, her hapless stumbling as Secretary of State has shown this woman climbed to the Senate on her husband's lap and was in over her head almost immediately in the white house.
And finally... old hurts women far more than it does guys. Madonna can pretend she's not a hag, but she is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 06, 2012 03:45 PM (r4wIV)

200 And influential and well respected by moderate Dems. He could start a preference cascade.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 07:43 PM (0q2P7)



Who cares?  He's an embarrassment and a joke.  If the dems (there are no moderate dems - they're all just dems, as we saw demonstrated through the first two years of the Dog-Eating Retard's "reign") want to listen to him, then good for them. They deserve him.

But the GOP and anyone who is not a dem should never take anything he says seriously or even hint that they care about his asinine musings.  He's a disgrace and has never had an original or interesting thought in his life.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 03:45 PM (X3lox)

201 Bill Clintoon is pissed cause the Lyin kINGs Lyin, make Clintoon look like an amateur! Oh and the half black stole the First Black Pres gig too, and botched it big time!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at June 06, 2012 03:46 PM (nonzP)

202

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 07:40 PM (X3lox)

 

Clinton is in no way feckless. 

He's deplorable in EVERY way, but he's certainly effective for his own cause.

Posted by: garrett at June 06, 2012 03:46 PM (dn6e/)

203 Sounds like you care what Clinton says, since it needs to be repudiated.I don't.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 06, 2012 07:43 PM (z1N6a)



Clinton should be mocked.  He's earned it.


So sue me.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 03:47 PM (X3lox)

204 Ray Bradbury passed away today. Pretty good writer and, I've learned, a strong conservative.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 03:47 PM (niZvt)

205 Clinton is in no way feckless.

Sure he is.

He's deplorable in EVERY way, but he's certainly effective for his own cause.

Posted by: garrett at June 06, 2012 07:46 PM (dn6e/)



What cause is that?  He never did anything but sign Republican bills.  Good for him.  Other than that he's been ineffective at anything and everything.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 03:49 PM (X3lox)

206 I think Rush was onto something today talkin bout the mob bein pissed, they had to be unhappy when they sent nappy to get the lyimpics and he blew it, and now after all the attention Trumka gives him he blows off the mob, may want to stay away from outside appearances and windows there OblahBlah cause the mob don't play nice!
It aint personal to them its bidness!
To Clintoon its personal!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at June 06, 2012 03:50 PM (nonzP)

207 Clinton Badger don't give a f***.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica Sanitation Department at June 06, 2012 03:51 PM (Fs7RJ)

208

Vic,

Tune up J.S. Bach's Concerto in F Minor Bwv 1056.

Ethereal in its beauty and simplicity against a back drop of 1) legacy media's shark jumping and 2) DNC fail.

Posted by: Journolist at June 06, 2012 03:51 PM (QWOh7)

209 >>>Who cares? He's an embarrassment and a joke.

To the folks that will vote for Romney regardless. If he wants to volunteer soundbites to help our side win we don't have to go OMG! Bill! *swoon* but we can stuff them in with other soundbites for ads targeted at the middle.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 03:51 PM (0q2P7)

210 Clinton is in no way feckless. Feck him, then. LOLing about Bradbury (Mr. Fahrenheit 451) voting Republican all these years. Lefties often demand people they like be like them because of their own prejudices, and its fun to see them get upended.

Posted by: nickless at June 06, 2012 03:52 PM (MMC8r)

211 I think Clinton is all in for Obama but that his own ego get's in the way sometimes and he can't pass up the chance to stick the needle in.

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 03:53 PM (Xb3hu)

212 To the folks that will vote for Romney regardless. If he wants to volunteer soundbites to help our side win we don't have to go OMG! Bill! *swoon* but we can stuff them in with other soundbites for ads targeted at the middle.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 07:51 PM (0q2P7)



That's not a good strategy. You don't grab quotes or positions from people don't respect and whose opinions you think are shit to bolster your positions.

Anyone who lends ANY legitimacy to the rantings of Clinton is doing much more harm than good.  Screw Clinton.  If dems want to listen to him, then fine for them.  I don't care what he thinks about anything, whether he happens to luck onto a reasonable position once in a blue moon or not.

I don't quote people I don't respect, except to make fun of them and mock them.  But, that's me.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 03:55 PM (X3lox)

213

Comment 218 is a mess constructed in nuanced buzz words.

 

Posted by: Journolist at June 06, 2012 03:56 PM (QWOh7)

214

After November he can work in my Presidential Library... getting coffee.

Posted by: Bill Clinton - the best damn ex-pres ever at June 06, 2012 03:56 PM (wAQA5)

215 To put it another way, William Jefferson Clinton is on the same side he's always been on:  William Jefferson Clinton's.

In theory, he'd be helping Obama.  In practice, (a) he's not really beholden to anything or anyone anymore, (b) he doesn't like the man, (c) there isn't room enough in the party for both their egos, and (d) Obama's actions are this close to ending the gravy train.

He'll phone it in at best, but make no mistake--those stab wounds you're seeing appear in Obama's metaphorical back?

Yeah.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica Sanitation Department at June 06, 2012 03:58 PM (Fs7RJ)

216 If there is anything the First Narcissist In Chief "Clintoon" is its an attention whore.
Bill loves the spotlight and is well aware giggin the Lyin kING is gonna get him some attention!
Plus he wants the Lyin kING to stay down in the Presidential ratings not by some affirmative action extra credit get bumped ahead of ol Bill!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at June 06, 2012 03:58 PM (nonzP)

217 Bill Clinton has also created a very influential niche for himself as a global political figure w/his Clinton Global Initiative. He brings in & directs loads of money - unaccountable to no one - while he jets around hobnobbing with other global leaders, wealthy businessmen, and entertainers.

He's above the presidency, man, he's taking care of the world's problems while Obama's just in charge of of the US.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2012 03:59 PM (kco//)

218 Um. Bill Clinton lies. He lies all the time. He lies when the truth is better for him. He lies effortlessly. He tells big-ass whoppers when little ones will do. He's lying about favoring Mitt right now, I'm sure. He might actually want to tank Obama, but he certainly doesn't think Mitt is right.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at June 06, 2012 04:01 PM (I2LwF)

219 >>@181 Posted by: Captain Hate at June 06, 2012 07:27 PM (E4eMV)

You win, I didn't have that fable on my docket, but I must say that your version of that story was tres romantique'.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 06, 2012 04:01 PM (aZ6ew)

220 Maybe George Soros has told Clinton to destroy Obama.


Posted by: Jimbo at June 06, 2012 04:01 PM (O3R/2)

221 You notice how these ex-Democrat presidents just can't seem to go the f*ck away?

Posted by: Punchy at June 06, 2012 04:02 PM (OL96w)

222 224 Sublimate to me!!! Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 06, 2012 07:55 PM (N/1Dm) And by sublimate, Bubba must mean, "Felate and Swallow Me!"

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 06, 2012 04:02 PM (niZvt)

223 He's above the presidency, man, he's taking care of the world's problems partying worldwide while Obama's just in charge of of the US.

...oh come on, this IS Billy the Clinton we're talking about here...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica Sanitation Department at June 06, 2012 04:03 PM (Fs7RJ)

224 Clinton is like Biden (minus the brain damage) - he's speaking inconvenient truths. 

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 06, 2012 04:03 PM (hqE/S)

225 Bill: Hillary, you have a deaf ear for politics. Do you know why I asked Barack to make you Secretary of State? Hillary: Because of my feminine ability to achieve consensus with foreign countries. Bill: No, not exactly. I wanted to make sure Barack failed, and it worked. Gloriously. You screwed up his foreign policy beyond my wildest dreams. Hillary: I would enjoy spraying you with a powerful weed killer. Bill: The election shows that Barack has failed as president, and it's time to prepare my – I mean, your – primary challenge. So I can get back to the White House. Hillary: But Bill, you had a huge loss in the 1994 midterm elections, just like Barack, and yet you were re-elected in 1996. Bill: Two reasons. First, I'm a lovable little scoundrel. Barack is a condescending twerp who drinks your last Bud Light and then lectures you on local micro-breweries. Second, I was flexible enough to triangulate. Barack can't triangulate. He's too rigid. Hillary: He's rock hard. Bill: Rock hard? May I ask how you know that? Hillary: Let's just say he dresses casually at Cabinet meetings.

Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at June 06, 2012 04:04 PM (GV+48)

226

You guys hear this?

 

"Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., has sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder urging him to investigate the SWAT-ting cases to see if federal laws have been violated."

 

link on Drudge

 

LOL I'm sure he'll get right on that.  I'm not sure what else to ask for from congress...

 

Posted by: indigo child at June 06, 2012 04:05 PM (xXhWA)

227 Maybe George Soros has told Clinton to destroy Obama.

Could be.  Evil masterminds kinda need something left to rule over, right?  Obama's a planet killer that would leave only cockroaches as survivors.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 06, 2012 04:05 PM (hqE/S)

228 >>>You don't grab quotes or positions from people don't respect and whose opinions you think are shit to bolster your positions..

Since when is that a rule? This is politics, not a term paper. And I may love the hell out of Thomas Sowell's opinions, but they aren't going to win me anything. Like any persuasive engagement you use sources *your audience* finds credible, not necessarily the ones you find the most credible.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 04:06 PM (0q2P7)

229 Oh geez I hate to say this...

O'Reilly is doing a great in hammering Leslie whats-her-face on the "big money" talking points re the WI election.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 04:07 PM (piMMO)

230 On Friday, June 8th, those wishing to attend the event must purchase a copy of the First LadyÂ’s book at the location and leave it at the store, according to the employee. At the same time, customers must also submit their social security number and show an official photo ID (driverÂ’s license, passport)to a Secret Service agent, and they will be issued a wristband to the First LadyÂ’s event on June 12.( Emphasis added)

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 04:07 PM (Xb3hu)

231 You guys hear this?

"Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., has sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder urging him to investigate the SWAT-ting cases to see if federal laws have been violated."


***

Yep.

If you have a Twitter account, "follow" Chambliss as a show of support and appreciation.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 06, 2012 04:09 PM (piMMO)

232 244 On Friday, June 8th, those wishing to attend the event must purchase a copy of the First LadyÂ’s book at the location and leave it at the store, according to the employee. At the same time, customers must also submit their social security number and show an official photo ID (driverÂ’s license, passport)to a Secret Service agent, and they will be issued a wristband to the First LadyÂ’s event on June 12. Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 08:07 PM (Xb3hu) Just don't be late, WalMart shopping, Spandex wearing bitches!

Posted by: Anna Wintour at June 06, 2012 04:10 PM (niZvt)

233 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 08:06 PM (0q2P7)

We just strongly disagree on this.  Very, very strongly.

I don't use the opinions of those I don't respect to bolster my arguments.  When I don't care what someone thinks, I really don't care what they think.

We'll just have to part on this.  I promise I won't say "I told you so" in a few months

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 04:11 PM (X3lox)

234 >>>You guys hear this?
"Sen. Saxby Chambliss

You know there are more posts on the blog than the top one.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 04:11 PM (0q2P7)

235 240 Ummm yeah,scroll down,we had a whole thread.

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 04:11 PM (Xb3hu)

236 234 "You notice how these ex-Democrat presidents just can't seem to go the f*ck away?"

It's not a Democrat trend, it's a failure trend. Nixon spent 20 years after his presidency undermining the current Oval Office occupants, whereas Lyndon Johnson drank himself into a stupor on his Texas ranch.

Eisenhower wouldn't let Truman come within 500 miles of DC during his term, but Ike was called in by LBJ to run generals' meetings during 'Nam. Same thing with Hoover - FDR exiled him, but Truman brought him in to take care of the food thing.

The truth is that the Bushes are the classy exceptions to the rule.

Posted by: The Q at June 06, 2012 04:11 PM (LnQhT)

237 my bad didn't see the post

Posted by: indigo child at June 06, 2012 04:12 PM (xXhWA)

238 >>>I don't use the opinions of those I don't respect to bolster my arguments.

Well if I followed that rule I'd have no one to quote. You all suck after all.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 04:13 PM (0q2P7)

239 Finish him.

Posted by: Soros at June 06, 2012 04:13 PM (QKKT0)

240 If liberals reflect on Barryo's Wisconsin snub while choosing to schmooze with the celeb set instead, they just might have to surmise that hey, maybe he is really NOT all out for the little guy after all.  Who knows, maybe they will.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at June 06, 2012 04:14 PM (vhwRj)

241 Nixon wasn't the evil man he was portrayed as and I think he did a decent job rehabilitating his image.

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 04:14 PM (Xb3hu)

242

Oh yippee.

Obama is in Beverly Hills today for more fundraising in addition to being out here just a couple of weeks ago at George Clooney's manse.

This would seem to ring off key with the DNC machine's meme, that the Koch Bros. money.... blather.

It seems the party of Dem is beginning to cave in from the weight of the hyporcrisy and projection.

Posted by: Journolist at June 06, 2012 04:15 PM (QWOh7)

243 Primary thing is that Bill enjoys the hell out of the fact they're going to need him so badly.  A lot more than he needs them.  He'll make all the requested appearances, but he's going to make them uncomfortable every so often too.  Which, I guess, is pretty much what Ace said.

Whatever the reasons and theories are, it's something we want to see people talking about a lot.  The white working class voters that are running away from Obama already are going to be the ones that respond best to any comparisons to Clinton.  They're the ones that could put midwest states in the proper column. 

Posted by: Dave S. at June 06, 2012 04:16 PM (UvR6d)

244 I wonder where Bill's plans for Chelsea are playing in all this.  I don't believe for one moment that she doesn't have ambitions, both of her own and from her parents.

Posted by: rabidfox at June 06, 2012 04:16 PM (XFYDj)

245 251 Sorry if my reply seemed snarky,wasn't intentional.

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 04:17 PM (Xb3hu)

246 Bill's only interest in Goofball's reelection is that it would be easier for Hillary get elected coming off a two term president.  If Romney is coming off his first term then he will have the power of the incumbency and Hillary will have a more difficult time of it.

Bill knows Obama is a dumbass though so he can't really bring himself to support the guy wholeheartedly.  That would make Bill look like a dumbass too and that would interfere with his porking the porn stars.

Posted by: Voluble at June 06, 2012 04:17 PM (c8WV/)

247 So if Barky the dog eater is sent off to retirement, who replaces him.
The Secretary of State Souse is beyond cleaning up, in my opinion, OBiden, Ha, maybe one of the Senators that resigned after the Obamacare suicide mission?
I can believe the plan all along was for Alinsky Won to do the maximum damage possible and then Alinsky II to waltz in and finish us off but 19,303 boilermakers ago maybe, now, Nope!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at June 06, 2012 04:18 PM (nonzP)

248 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at June 06, 2012 08:13 PM (0q2P7)

Heh. 

I did forget one caveat; that is if someone has an original idea that is objectively true or a new and good way of viewing a situation.  In that case I am happy to use it - truth and intelligent arguments are independent of the messenger - but in that case I would have to say that respect the person's thinking in that context, as my use of his argument says on its own.  Luckily with Clinton (as I've said above) this is never an issue since he has no original ideas and nothing important to impart.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2012 04:19 PM (X3lox)

249 Chelsea --- sits on the board of an entertainment conglomerate. Youngest director evaaaah.

Posted by: Journolist at June 06, 2012 04:19 PM (QWOh7)

250 Bill Clinton would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stay on the ground and tell the truth.

Posted by: meekrob at June 06, 2012 04:20 PM (x2CNJ)

251 My  EX - BF  is back  in  LA  raising  money!  Wait  until  my  tell - all  book  comes  out  this  fall.  There  is  gonna  be  outing  in  October!

Posted by: Reggie's Love at June 06, 2012 04:20 PM (c3mby)

252 As a Hillary Democrat who worked on her campaign then turned Independent who votes GOP and will vote ABO (i.e., Romney), I absolutely believe that Bill Clinton is purposely undermining Barry in a concerted way.  Now, whether that is because he thinks it better positions Hillary in 2016, or he's having fun playing revenge, or there is some other scheme in the works (notice the other Hillary Dems speaking up, like Rendell?),  is unclear.  What is clear is that there is no loyalty between the Clintons and Obamas, in either direction. And that's an understatement.

Posted by: TexDem4Romney at June 06, 2012 04:20 PM (MMVsc)

253 255 On Nixon

Ask Reagan's people and Bush's people about Nixon.

Nixon's major foreign focus remained Russia and he pursued his interests there on diplomatic trips, even if they conflicted with the policy of the guys that sent them there. Bush even complained to someone that Nixon thought he was a wimp.

The guy Nixon got along with best was Clinton. Honor among thieves . . .

Posted by: The Q at June 06, 2012 04:21 PM (LnQhT)

254

>>Some support for that in the clip where Clinton says something like, "Remember me? I'm the only guy who gave you four surplus budgets."<<

 

Hell, at this point I'd settle for any budget.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 06, 2012 04:21 PM (V3qZG)

255 I wonder where Bill's plans for Chelsea are playing in all this.

I'm not convinced he gives a rat.  I've always had certain...doubts about that relationship.  Which are probably off target, but there it is.

Whatever the reason, Chelsea is Hillary's project.  And I'm not sure she can deliver on that anymore.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica Sanitation Department at June 06, 2012 04:21 PM (Fs7RJ)

256 263 Yeah,just like Obama was the first black head of the Harvard Law journal.

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 04:21 PM (Xb3hu)

257 Is 2012 the year irony goes viral?

Posted by: Journolist at June 06, 2012 04:23 PM (QWOh7)

258 Clinton is kneecapping The Obi-One Big Jerk.  Bwahahahahahahaha

Posted by: KR1 at June 06, 2012 04:23 PM (oEfom)

259 On Friday, June 8th, those wishing to attend the event must purchase...

Or you could wait 6 months and it'll be available for a buck at Dollar Tree when the publisher blows out all the remaining stock.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 06, 2012 04:24 PM (hqE/S)

260

And for the folks in West L.A. at the helm of Breitbart.com, lurking at the comments here on AOSHQ --- good job on recognizing Ace.

Now get back to work.

Posted by: Journolist at June 06, 2012 04:24 PM (QWOh7)

261 Do you think Clinton wakes up every morning and wonders why Bush doesn't have to do this crap?

Posted by: Crom at June 06, 2012 04:26 PM (X/DUr)

262 Not in anyway a supporter of Mr. Clinton but he is probably the most agile and talented pure political animal ever to grace the earth. His abilty to squirm out of nothing less than an impeachment is a testament to his instincts, intellect and of course, oily-ness...I do agree with Dick Morris about BC being hurt badly by the racist charge and he'll never forget it. Couple that with 2016 being Hillary's only realistic chance for a return to the WH and Bill will play both sides against BHO for as long as Obama is gutless enough to not call him out on it. BC may not have been a President conservatives tolerate but at least he put the priorities of America first. I'd like to think that while a first-rate narcissist himself,  Clinton sees what Obama is doing to the country he used to run and has decided to help right the ship in his own way...

Posted by: Tony253 at June 06, 2012 04:27 PM (3yMFT)

263

Why the eff would I want a garden book written by Michelle Obama? what does that woman know about gardening? Zero. Less than zero.

 

 

I swear I know Obama is destroying this country and that's why it is ABO this fall, but really when it comes down to it, I want to get her off the airwaves even more than him. but will they ever truly go away? Or will they become judges on America's Got Talent, and cooking shows, and do round after round of the talk show circuit, and then make surprise appearances in Hollywood movies, appear in music videos, headline Vegas acts. I mean, really even when we vote him out of office they are never, ever going to go away are they?

 

Now I'm depressed.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 06, 2012 04:30 PM (RZ8pf)

264 So you gotta have 3 types of ID and SS# to go to a book signing a week later, but in WI. just go through someones trash, show up with a Home Depot receipt with any address on it and your golden to vote? WTF is wrong with us?

Posted by: old glazier at June 06, 2012 04:31 PM (KcINh)

265 Now, whether that is because he thinks it better positions Hillary in 2016...

As a practical matter, Romney stands a very good chance of being a 1-term president. 

Even if he does everything necessary, with 100% perfect execution, and is blessed with a willing congress to try and right this sinking ship, 4 years simply isn't enough time to undo all the systemic damage that's been done over the past 70 years.

We may be entering an extended period of political instability and 1-term presidents as long as our deep problems exist.  When the public finally smartens up that its actually congress that's done the most long term damage, then maybe stability will prevail.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 06, 2012 04:33 PM (hqE/S)

266 why didn't you just post the last sentence. brevity is the soul of not wasting my time

Posted by: rows d at June 06, 2012 04:34 PM (huxh9)

267 >>I mean, really even when we vote him out of office they are never, ever going to go away are they?

Now I'm depressed.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 06, 2012 08:30 PM (RZ8pf)



Hopefully they'll be relegated to the OWN which will have the same nuanced effect as deep woods bear poop.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 06, 2012 04:34 PM (aZ6ew)

268 I mean, really even when we vote him out of office they are never, ever going to go away are they?

Now I'm depressed.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 06, 2012 08:30 PM (RZ8pf)

 

hahahaah, never, and i imagine they will also go to other countries and say how horrible america is.

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2012 04:34 PM (TomZ9)

269 The Obama's are like Herpes.  It never goes away.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 06, 2012 04:36 PM (hqE/S)

270 willow, Michelle will probably come out with a line of gardening tools for sale at Macy's. And the preezy of the united steezy will sponsor a summer rap tour. American Girl will do a line of Sasha and Malia dolls. And Bo will become the spokesdog for a major brand of dog food.  

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 06, 2012 04:37 PM (RZ8pf)

271 283 They'll be all over tv but I don't care.I'll take that,I'll never watch them anyway.

Posted by: steevy at June 06, 2012 04:37 PM (Xb3hu)

272

"201There is a major schism between the inner party of Dem ..."

 

You know, you might have something there.  More than a few times lately, I hear lifelong, loyal Democrats who don't say it explicitly, but are waking up to the fact that Obama is nothing like what he was sold to be, but is rather an anti-capitalist radical nut-job, hell-bent on destroying America.

 

Upon this realization, many of them are actually turning against him. It reminds me of the mod guys in the movie "The Rocketeer", when they learn that they're dealing with Nazis. They turned on their ally in a heartbeat, declaring their loyalty to America.

 

A guy like Romney ought to be able to pick up those votes, and this can only grow between now and November.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 06, 2012 04:38 PM (As94z)

273 Three words: Obama Invitational Golf Tournament.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 06, 2012 04:39 PM (0SL6O)

274 285 willow, Michelle will probably come out with a line of gardening tools for sale at Macy's. And the preezy of the united steezy will sponsor a summer rap tour. American Girl will do a line of Sashaand Malia dolls. And Bo will become the spokesdog for a major brand of dog food.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 06, 2012 08:37 PM (RZ8pf)

 

LOL, exactly, we will just have to drink more than ever.

f.o.r.e.v.e.r

Posted by: willow at June 06, 2012 04:43 PM (TomZ9)

275 @288 and @289 together have a marketing plan: Selling The Former First Family.

Posted by: Retread at June 06, 2012 04:48 PM (joSBv)

276 It all comes down to progressive vs. radicals. Billy progressive trying to distance to radicals.

Posted by: TJexcite at June 06, 2012 04:51 PM (ovjF+)

277 What happens to those 135,000 people?   I mean 112,000 of them come back for Greta but that means that 23,000 don't come back at all, they are just there for o'really and that's it...

Posted by: / at June 06, 2012 04:52 PM (oZfic)

278 Remember that weird press conference where Obama said Michelle was waiting for him and he handed it over to Clinton? I suspect Clinton does not respect Obama after that. Other possibility is this is all done on purpose to make wavering dems or independents think of the good ole days and believe maybe Clinton has some moderating influence on Obama.

Posted by: sexypig at June 06, 2012 05:09 PM (wWV5q)

279 Not at all surprising that the concept of people changing the channel or turning off the tv altogether at a certain is a concept and ignorant  racist  troll like you can't fathom.

Posted by: buzzion at June 06, 2012 05:11 PM (GULKT)

280 Lying is to the Big He, what breathing is to you and me.

Posted by: Otto Zilch at June 06, 2012 05:22 PM (p01MN)

281 Pelosi brags: Without a Democratic plan to confuse the issue, the attacks against BushÂ’s plan had more resonance. Surreal.

Posted by: Jay at June 06, 2012 05:23 PM (TzrpT)

282 294 Not at all surprising that the concept of people changing the channel or turning off the tv altogether at a certain is a concept and ignorant racist troll like you can't fathom.

Posted by: buzzion at June 06, 2012 09:11 PM (GULKT)

ok, you are officially on notice.....stop with the slanderous words....I am not a racist, nor am I ignorant nor am I a troll.

Posted by: / at June 06, 2012 05:24 PM (oZfic)

283 I rarely watch hannity but wanted to see walker.  However, the segment with malkin and my favorite, herman cain, was amazing.  Herman Cain is amazingly candid and I think he might have said some things tonight never said on a national program.

Posted by: / at June 06, 2012 05:26 PM (oZfic)

284 You are a troll.  You are incredibly ignorant of so many things its amazing you can function a computer.  And your thinking that support of Rubio is based on the idea of him being able to get hispanics to vote is racist.    Get lost you gay porn linking trig truther loving troll.

Posted by: buzzion at June 06, 2012 05:34 PM (GULKT)

285 299 You are a troll. You are incredibly ignorant of so many things its amazing you can function a computer. And your thinking that support of Rubio is based on the idea of him being able to get hispanics to vote is racist. Get lost you gay porn linking trig truther loving troll.

Posted by: buzzion at June 06, 2012 09:34 PM (GULKT)

ok, cease and desist......

You are the abomination and everything else you have accused me of...you are guilty of....and it's sad very very sad...

I've criticized rubio because I don't like some of the things he's said and he's too young....I'd rather see rudy guilliani in there than a wet behind the ears rubio or paul ryan....west should be vp he's had the experience.  But people like you, my grand dad used to call them "people with blinders" only think in terms they can understand....you understand concepts like racism way too well...

you get lost...i'm not leaving

Posted by: / at June 06, 2012 05:46 PM (oZfic)

286 I've never linked gay porn or trig truther articles.  I've also never accused people of being happy when someone is the victim of theft like you.  Get lost you lying troll.

Posted by: buzzion at June 06, 2012 05:48 PM (GULKT)

287

Romney's choice for VP?

 

Bill Clinton.  Heh!

Posted by: just another dave at June 06, 2012 06:09 PM (yNhzB)

288 301 I've never linked gay porn or trig truther articles. I've also never accused people of being happy when someone is the victim of theft like you. Get lost you lying troll.

Posted by: buzzion at June 06, 2012 09:48 PM (GULKT)

you get lost....

Posted by: / at June 06, 2012 06:17 PM (oZfic)

289 Bill Clinton is about Bill Clinton.  When Gore ran for prez, Clinton was criticized for not campaigning for him.  I suspect he knew the economy was gong to tank and didn't want "his guy" to be in charge when it happened.  It would have tainted his legacy.

Now, he sees Obama killing the nation with lefty positions (albeit extreme).  Once again, I think Clinton sees the Dem's legacy, and thus his, being destroyed.  He needs Barry out of office so that the blame is shifted to the Republicans.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 06, 2012 06:59 PM (xUI0P)

290 More irresponsible right-wing hate and failed trolling from all of you. This is more reason why non-progressive speech on the Internet needs to be subject to review.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 06, 2012 07:00 PM (jWvfJ)

291 Someone called sexypig at 901 is apparently in my head.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 06, 2012 07:12 PM (AlYnQ)

292 What the fuck is the catpiss lady moaning about now?

Posted by: Scott Walker at June 06, 2012 07:19 PM (NL15p)

293 What exactly is this 'making rain' at a strip club? Is it legal?

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 06, 2012 08:15 PM (wWZWw)

294 I can't believe you even took the time to write an article about Bill Clinton and what it all means.

He's a Democrat hero and an enemy to us.

I don't care what he says about Obama.  At most, it's an internal feud.

Posted by: currently at June 06, 2012 09:17 PM (flA6l)

295 Lying for people like Clinton do not take up energy. It's who they are. It's natural. It's habit. You are projecting when you say it takes more energy.

Posted by: tillurdizzy at June 07, 2012 01:47 AM (BTQRg)

296 He'll show up at family gatherings if you insist on it, but don't get him started on his Dominican Maid Who Steals His Pills. By pills, I take it you mean precious bodily fluids?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at June 07, 2012 06:17 AM (1hM1d)

297 Ace where do you get this idea that Bill wants Barry re-elected.  Bill hates his guts.  Bill cares no more for obama then he does for the democratic party.  He actually does love his country...so long as its an extension of Bill Clinton. 

Posted by: Danny Katz at June 07, 2012 08:08 AM (2OCgP)

298 Couple things though... Billy-Boy was and is all about legacy. He defines himself by what history thinks of him - - always has.

What do you suppose it's worth to him to be the Only Living 2-Term Democratic President? As well as The First Dem Pres Re-Elected Since Kennedy?

Further: If he does want Hillary to have a shot at the Top Spot, it's a LOT easier for a Democrat to win election against an opposing-party incumbent rather than as the follow-on to another Democrat. In fact, there hasn't been a Democrat elected Pres following 2 FULL terms of another Dem since... Martin Van Buren!

History is clear on this; Dems don't get to follow Dems as President unless the first one dies in office. Seems people simply can't generally stomach their policies for more than 8 years.

So, considering that Clinton 1) thinks Obama is a fool and is doing bad things to the country, and 2) Hillary's only shot at President now would be on the heels of one term of  a Republican... isn't it just possible that Billy would find things to like in Obama being run out as a one-term-mistake, tolerating 4 years of Romney (while attacking him daily), in order to set Hillary up with a shot as the First Husband-Wife Presidential Team, the First Female President, and Billy's Triumphant Return To The White House as First-ever First Husband?

I personally think it would suit him just fine. Place in history, assured. No one else can ever be first. And Billy has always longed to be 'first'.

Posted by: Sarge at June 07, 2012 12:50 PM (We5IL)

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