October 17, 2012
— Ace Bit of an update to the earlier post -- Obama might be cutting losses in Colorado and Virginia as well.
One thing I wanted to note was Romney's strengthening position in Ohio. I didn't want to get my hopes up when I read this, from Mark Halperin, via Hot Air:
HereÂ’s why some Democrats are worried tonight. If Romney wins the three Southern battlegrounds (FL, NC, and VA) and OH, he is at 266 electoral votes. Leaving the other five battlegrounds unallocated, that means Obama would be at 237 and Romney would only need to win one of the remaining five states to get to 270+Â…
One senior Democratic official expressed real concern tonight unlike I have heard before about Ohio potentially slipping away from Obama (the state has been trending Republican in statewide races, Rob Portman has become a force, religious and gun groups are flooding the state with voter contacts, two of RomneyÂ’s top strategists have recently won a statewide race there, etc).
Okay. That's just one report, so I didn't want to go kookoobananas on it. Ohio worries me.
But now Peter Hamby reports (first link, above):
The buzz from Columbus: Ohio race was reset by Romney's first debate (and he may have even been up heading into debate #2)
Buzz? It does seem likely that Democrats are providing this buzz; and it's possible we still only have the one source, the one senior Democrat, leaking to both men. And this may be based on a single Obama internal poll.
Still.
So: I'm still worried about Ohio, and I have long thought it simply is a Democratic state now, and still want Romney to make a strong play for Wisconsin and Michigan -- I don't want so many eggs in this Ohio basket -- but it does seem like maybe Ohio is trending in our favor.
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Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a Flaming Moe at October 17, 2012 01:50 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: marinemom at October 17, 2012 01:51 PM (OKtOV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 01:51 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 01:51 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 01:52 PM (+tqYo)
Romney needs to fight for Wisconsin, Nevada, Iowa, New Hampshire and Maine (all of it, not just D2), in addition to Ohio.
Posted by: bigpale at October 17, 2012 01:52 PM (vd4UX)
Posted by: tasker at October 17, 2012 01:52 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 01:52 PM (ck76k)
*Sniff* *Sniff* Is that the rotting carcass of socialist hopes and dreams I smell???
Posted by: maddogg at October 17, 2012 01:52 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: mallfly at October 17, 2012 01:52 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Harp at October 17, 2012 01:53 PM (h9ygK)
I like how organized it is looking.
Posted by: Filly at October 17, 2012 01:53 PM (247Qj)
Posted by: mallfly at October 17, 2012 01:53 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: tasker at October 17, 2012 01:53 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Harp at October 17, 2012 05:53 PM (h9ygK)
I don't think that will help..
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 01:53 PM (9+ccr)
Remember, 2010 turnout was R+1. 2004 turnout was R+5. Obama didn't win it by much in 2008 and only got it by running up the absentee vote totals.
Polls don't take GOTV into account. I think we will win OH and WI though.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 01:53 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 01:54 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 01:54 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 05:51 PM (9+ccr)
Fuck, you're worried?
Posted by: Libyan Aspirn Factory Worker at October 17, 2012 01:54 PM (t06LC)
He is. Well not Maine.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 01:55 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 01:55 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 01:55 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 01:55 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: mallfly at October 17, 2012 01:55 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Harp at October 17, 2012 05:53 PM (h9ygK)
Hell, I thought he would launch a drone strike on the LA County Jail to kill the filmmaker...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 05:54 PM (+tqYo)
He might do better if he hit the New England Patriots practice field....
Posted by: Oldcat at October 17, 2012 01:56 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 01:56 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 01:56 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: William Howard Taft and Robert Taft at October 17, 2012 01:56 PM (UkFmk)
Posted by: ace at October 17, 2012 01:56 PM (LCRYB)
embassy murders. Bin Laden 2 no body. Expects bump before election"
I saw that too. But I agree with Donna, I'm not sure it will help him. After all, Bin Laden 1 isn't helping him.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 01:57 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 01:57 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 01:57 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: runninrebel at October 17, 2012 05:56 PM (N/1Dm)
Yeah, I'm afraid I have always been a pessimist. I'm trying though. This election is so important, and I can't bear the thought of 4 more years of barry..
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 01:57 PM (9+ccr)
VOTE on 11/6
Get out the vote. Romney will need down ticket support. He needs Republican Senators and Congressman. Republican statehouses and Governors are valuable too. And they are easier on our pocketbooks.
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 17, 2012 01:57 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Joey Biden at October 17, 2012 01:58 PM (RIg+t)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 17, 2012 01:59 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: meh at October 17, 2012 01:59 PM (W2qJe)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 01:59 PM (dX4hn)
Several women are shown drinking camel urine—and doing all they can to keep it down and not vomit.
But were they getting equal pay?
Posted by: garrett at October 17, 2012 01:59 PM (PcgnQ)
Posted by: El Kabong at October 17, 2012 01:59 PM (HWj39)
Yeah, I'm afraid I have always been a pessimist. I'm trying though. This election is so important, and I can't bear the thought of 4 more years of barry..
Yup, like I never believe the Cowboys are going to win unless the clock reads 00:00. These assholes will not go down quietly.
Posted by: USS Diversity at October 17, 2012 01:59 PM (0CiTm)
Posted by: Joey Biden at October 17, 2012 05:58 PM (RIg+t)
Upper New Yorkastan, and Californication
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:00 PM (9+ccr)
Does California still have 55 electoral votes?
It had 55 in 2008....but tons of people have left CA since then.
CAC's map yesterday showed it having 55...now.
How can that be?
I think there may be some 'ghost electoral votes' in these deeply blue states...where people have been leaving in droves.
Posted by: wheatie at October 17, 2012 02:00 PM (ipkPX)
Anybody worried about Romney's path to 270 should be heartened by thinking about how an obama supporter feels about his path to 270.
Barry Oflustercluck must pull an inside straight, and one little surprise (NM, WI) totally screws him.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 17, 2012 02:00 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:00 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Dave S. at October 17, 2012 02:00 PM (cWpCn)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 02:00 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: tasker at October 17, 2012 02:00 PM (r2PLg)
OT & maybe important:
Just watched the critical Benghazi debate bit on The Five again. I never noticed before when Obama says "get the transcript" Crowley appears to be holding it.
Who gave her the transcript?
Setup by the Obama people perhaps?
Crowley should have been fired yesterday.
Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 02:01 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:01 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: meh at October 17, 2012 05:59 PM (W2qJe)
www.bellbinders.com
Posted by: Oldcat at October 17, 2012 02:01 PM (z1N6a)
Dont they actually make binders in Ohio? Wouldnt that be sweet?
Posted by: meh at October 17, 2012 05:59 PM (W2qJe)
www.bellbinders.com
Posted by: Oldcat at October 17, 2012 06:01 PM (z1N6a)
Wish someone could get that to Romney...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:02 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: The Q at October 17, 2012 02:02 PM (IgwTl)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 02:03 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 17, 2012 02:03 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: El Kabong at October 17, 2012 02:03 PM (HWj39)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (8J5Ck)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 06:00 PM (j1gX1)
Why bother? It looks petty.
Hit him on Jobs Jobs Jobs, Deficit Deficit Deficit.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Gerg at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (aHR5E)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (e0xKF)
See, I've never heard of Dave Edmunds before. It's crazy because I was, by proxy, a huge ELO fan growing up (youngets of 4, inherited by older brothers' tastes). I recognized Jeff Lynn's production all over it, That song is so similar to Don't Bring Me Down it's ridiculous.
How is it possible that I'm an Audio Director, write music for a living, have avidly followed ELO, keep abreast of all the trends and constantly seek new music out and yet.....I've never, ever heard of Dave Edmunds before.
It's just not possible.
Posted by: hisfrogness at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (6orKY)
There's a joke there, for Hadji.
"The United States has a whole island of Virgins?"
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (4+LTj)
The company that made Trapper Keepers used to be headquarted in Dayton...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeadWestvaco
You know what this means, right?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a Flaming Moe at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at October 17, 2012 02:04 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 02:05 PM (+tqYo)
By November 6, Obama's firewall is gonna be NY, CA, HI, MA, and IL
Polls close on the East coast in less than 482 hours.
Posted by: Red Bull!! at October 17, 2012 02:05 PM (3SvjA)
How can that be? I think there may be some 'ghost electoral votes' in these deeply blue states...where people have been leaving in droves."
This explains it all very cogently.
http://www.cis.org/mortensen/census
Posted by: torquewrench at October 17, 2012 02:05 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 17, 2012 02:06 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: steevy at October 17, 2012 02:06 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 17, 2012 02:06 PM (HLFzM)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 02:07 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 17, 2012 02:08 PM (VeS2g)
Obama's White House was so hostile to women that Anita "Mao's Ma' Man" Dunn quit and threw rocks at the place as she left.
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at October 17, 2012 02:08 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 17, 2012 02:08 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 17, 2012 02:08 PM (GvYeG)
@69
Nevergiveup
What I'm saying is that it appears Crowley coordinated with the Obama people on the Benghazi question before the debate and they alerted her to their intent to use the 9/12 Rose Garden statement. If they didn't give it to her, why would she happen to have it? Obama seems to know she has an actual copy of the statement on her.
That would be a deeply unethical and extreme violation of the debate rules.
Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 02:08 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:09 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: @ParisParamus at October 17, 2012 02:09 PM (pMxhO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:10 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: tasker at October 17, 2012 02:10 PM (r2PLg)
95,
True, but the numbers will be fudged enough that the media will be able it, "The Romney Depression."
Posted by: Dax at October 17, 2012 02:10 PM (wUl8r)
Would you believe a boy scout with a slingshot?
Posted by: Agent 86 at October 17, 2012 02:10 PM (4+LTj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:11 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Dax at October 17, 2012 02:11 PM (wUl8r)
Ohio can't be that bad if they need to either
a) Crank out D+11 samples, or
b) Pretend 1/5 of Ohio has voted 75-25 Obama
just to get O ahead in the polls there.
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 17, 2012 02:11 PM (EwxYH)
Posted by: Yojimbo at October 17, 2012 02:11 PM (c9F8a)
Posted by: Obama's retirement planner at October 17, 2012 02:12 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: steevy at October 17, 2012 02:12 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Rich at October 17, 2012 02:12 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:12 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: tasker at October 17, 2012 02:12 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 02:12 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: Conan at October 17, 2012 02:13 PM (n98nL)
Posted by: UndercoverInLA at October 17, 2012 02:13 PM (qEeFd)
And tell all Dems to show up on the 7th...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 06:03 PM (+tqYo)
RAAAACISSSSTTTT!
Never fails, there is at least one "Democrats are being disenfranchised" story every Pesidential Election. "EEVVVIILL Rethuglicans told us black folks that we votes on November 7!"
"Who told you?"
"It was a flyer"
"Can we see it?"
"I threw it away, I was so angry!" "But it was the devil Republicans!" "They trying to steal my vote."
So, your proof was what?
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 17, 2012 02:13 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 17, 2012 02:13 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Demwitholdcar at October 17, 2012 02:13 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Koenig Jojo at October 17, 2012 02:14 PM (Yv6gq)
Posted by: Killerdog at October 17, 2012 02:14 PM (gNt90)
"76
How is it possible that I'm an Audio Director, write music for a living, have avidly followed ELO, keep abreast of all the trends and constantly seek new music out and yet.....I've never, ever heard of Dave Edmunds before.
It's just not possible.
Posted by: hisfrogness at October 17, 2012 06:04 PM (6orKY)"
This single and I think the song "Information" are the only things Edmunds ever did with Lynne. He spent the better part of his career working with Nick Lowe. Possibly my all time favorite rock guitarist. Check out his version of "Sabre Dance" -- it's quite bad ass.
Posted by: holygoat at October 17, 2012 02:14 PM (XnwWl)
83.....This explains it all very cogently.
http:/ /www.cis.org/mortensen/census
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Yeah, about that....
*steam shoots out of wheatie's ears*
Posted by: wheatie at October 17, 2012 02:14 PM (ipkPX)
Nevergiveup
What I'm saying is that it appears Crowley coordinated with the Obama people on the Benghazi question before the debate and they alerted her to their intent to use the 9/12 Rose Garden statement.If they didn't give it to her, why would she happen to have it? Obama seems to know she has an actual copy of the statement on her.
That would be a deeply unethical and extreme violation of the debate rules. Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 06:08 PM
Obama had a speech prepared for every question. No way he did that on the fly.
To think it was kismet denies who these people are and how they operate.
P.S. Spotted all the points and still couldn't seal the deal.
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at October 17, 2012 02:14 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 17, 2012 02:14 PM (jucos)
Of course she should. OTOH, the only thing she had going for her was her the fact that she was sort of smart and had a reputation for doing her homework, which is an acknowledged rarity at CNN. She is far from even average in the looks department, is tall and heavy--those are not things that make it easy on a woman in media. But, now, she has NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, ZERO, she blew it all on a guy who probably despises her in his heart of hearts. She did a Helen Thomas on herself, all by herself.
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 02:14 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 02:15 PM (+tqYo)
Romney will win Ohio.
But what do I know? I just have lived here my whole life. Unlike most bloggers.
Now delete this comment, like you did the last one.
Posted by: NCC at October 17, 2012 02:15 PM (lDsmT)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 17, 2012 02:15 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: CSNY at October 17, 2012 02:15 PM (136wp)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:15 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: TFG at October 17, 2012 02:15 PM (VeS2g)
Posted by: El Kabong at October 17, 2012 02:16 PM (HWj39)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:16 PM (j1gX1)
BTW I note New Jersey has drifted into "lean Obama" now on RCP.
Yet another poll showing Obama up only single figures there.
It's highly unlikely Obama will lose NJ, but it's good news for PA and OH (and probably MI)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 17, 2012 02:16 PM (EwxYH)
Remember we were complaining that those "undecided" voters at the town hall last night were all Democrats? Well, according to HillBuzz they were, BUT there's a pleasantly surprising reason why. He said that Gallup claimed they had difficulty finding undecided REPUBLICANS because they aren't any! Here's a link to his blog, scroll to #4
His #1 is interesting reading and offers a theory for O's excessive blinking and gaunt cheeks (both these were mentioned by posters here last night) and also his night and day transformation between the 2 debates.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 17, 2012 02:17 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 02:17 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: Gran at October 17, 2012 02:17 PM (CPX+P)
Posted by: Conan at October 17, 2012 06:13 PM (n98nL)
Conan, I live here in MN too. And I remember EVERY Statewide race was won by the DFL clowns. Including Mark "Brave Sir Robin" Dayton. We might win MN, but I will not believe it untill all the votes are counted. I am sure they have a few thousand left over from the Franken election.
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 17, 2012 02:17 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: uterus cannon at October 17, 2012 02:17 PM (2yD3c)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:17 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: ace at October 17, 2012 02:18 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: El Kabong at October 17, 2012 02:18 PM (HWj39)
But what do I know? I just have lived here my whole life. Unlike most bloggers.
Now delete this comment, like you did the last one."
You sound like me talking about Florida.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 02:18 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 17, 2012 02:19 PM (nTgAI)
"And Vagina Island...don't get me started on that one."
I now know where I'm retiring.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 06:12 PM (dX4hn)
You might want to re-think that. It's an artificial island. Lots of dikes holding back the waters.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 17, 2012 02:19 PM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:19 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 17, 2012 06:19 PM (TIIx5)
Stick your finger in it
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 17, 2012 02:20 PM (nTgAI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEr5HWdRhRY
Posted by: Bang Out Of Order at October 17, 2012 02:20 PM (1H47k)
I know this isn't the right thread, but during the debate last night Romney said "government doesn't create jobs". Then, when asked about difficulties for women in the marketplace, he mentioned how he hired a bunch of women while he was governor. That's like affirmative action and nanny state in one statement, as far as I'm concerned.
Frankly, I was hoping for Santorum, even though I knew his chances were slim. But this is why I couldn't go for Romney then, and I am stuck voting for him now, despite this pretty glaring contradiction. I'm surprised the MSM isn't all over this one. Or maybe it is, and I just haven't seen it yet.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 02:20 PM (IOWVc)
Posted by: NinaJay at October 17, 2012 02:20 PM (2X/gu)
Posted by: Gran at October 17, 2012 02:21 PM (CPX+P)
Remember that story about how the media was dropping like 19 states from exit polling, but only 3-4 were Democrat states?
At the time we all thought that was typical media bias and weighting the exit polls by stocking up on safe Dem states.
Maybe the real reason is that apart from DC, Maryland, Mass and whatever the other state was....none of the Dem states are safe enough to call yet???
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 17, 2012 02:21 PM (EwxYH)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 17, 2012 02:21 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 02:21 PM (+tqYo)
Obama is flooding the CO market with ads. Romney is too, but Obama's are everywhere. Most of his ads are planned parenthood and the Hollywood idiots (scarlet and Eva) scaring people about how Romney is going to re-define rape. Obama is going for the stupid vote. This election -we will see how many stupids are out there.
Posted by: Fresh at October 17, 2012 02:21 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Conan at October 17, 2012 02:21 PM (n98nL)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 06:19 PM (9+ccr)
I think they had several setups planned.. Why ask Romney how he would be different than Bush... She should have asked Obama why he was like Carter
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 17, 2012 02:21 PM (nTgAI)
Actually Obama said "look at the transcript" as in it's right in front of you because we gave it to you before the debate.
I'd love to see a view from behind her (words rarely spoken) when she's holding up that piece of paper.
Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 02:22 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 02:22 PM (136wp)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 02:22 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: ace at October 17, 2012 02:23 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:23 PM (QxSug)
154 Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 06:20 PM (IOWVc)
None of us share your "CONCERNS"
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 17, 2012 02:23 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Kcarab Hussein Amabo at October 17, 2012 02:23 PM (IgwTl)
Posted by: deusexmachina at October 17, 2012 02:24 PM (6RTwM)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:25 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 02:25 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 17, 2012 06:21 PM (+tqYo)
The better question is how did Obama KNOW she had it and call for it.
Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2012 02:25 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: ace at October 17, 2012 02:25 PM (LCRYB)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 17, 2012 02:25 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Spike at October 17, 2012 02:26 PM (I4NNt)
The better question is how did Obama KNOW she had it and call for it.
And - how did she manage to not get chocolate all over it?
Posted by: Meathammer at October 17, 2012 02:26 PM (W2qJe)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 17, 2012 02:26 PM (SY2Kh)
Guys,
Who ordered the concern? Some guy's here with a box of concern.
Anyone? C'mon, who ordered it?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 17, 2012 02:26 PM (qrpxS)
Posted by: the Butcher at October 17, 2012 02:27 PM (8g9qq)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 06:19 PM (9+ccr)
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In all probability, the whole debate was a set-up from the beginning. And I'm talking the SCOAMT getting all the questions beforehand and preparing for them. As you can tell, I don't trust these assholes at anything.
Posted by: Soona at October 17, 2012 02:27 PM (ukzZb)
It's not Romney, but Obama that MUST win Ohio to have a chance. Romney can get to a win in the above scenario without Ohio (248 electoral votes), plus Colorado (9), Iowa (6), Nevada (6) = 269 (269 means President Romney, where tie is broken by House). At this point I think Colorado and New Hampshire (4) are likely Romney. Wisconsin (10) is also clearly up for grabs. The fact is there is no plausible path to victory for Obama that does not include Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Posted by: fAlGore at October 17, 2012 02:27 PM (h6FKd)
Posted by: Conan at October 17, 2012 02:27 PM (n98nL)
Posted by: ace at October 17, 2012 06:18 PM (LCRYB)
___
Ed Klein picked the perfect title for his book, they really are a cast of amateurs.
Posted by: kallisto at October 17, 2012 02:27 PM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 06:01 PM (sOtz/)
Ooooh! GREAT point, Beagle!! WE should get this trending on Twitter and Twitchy.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 17, 2012 02:27 PM (KL49F)
Can you imagine Santorum making WI or NH or even PA close?
I can't.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2012 02:27 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: Meathammer at October 17, 2012 06:26 PM (W2qJe)
Yeah, I guess that is the more intriguing question.
Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2012 02:28 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 17, 2012 06:26 PM (SY2Kh)
X - eleventy
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 17, 2012 02:28 PM (nTgAI)
Actually Obama said "look at the transcript" as in it's right in front of you because we gave it to you before the debate.
I'd love to see a view from behind her (words rarely spoken) when she's holding up that piece of paper. ------------- I thought he said...."Look at the transcript, Candy".....or....."Check the transcript, Candy". But yeah. It's like he knew she just happened to have brought a transcript of his 09/12 Rose Garden speech. Which is fucking outrageous.
Posted by: wheatie at October 17, 2012 02:28 PM (ipkPX)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 17, 2012 02:28 PM (X3lox)
ACE,
Ohio has voted predominantly Republican for the last couple decades, except for a scandal-ridden period (sitting governor convicted of ethics charges) from 2006/2008, which is when Sherrod Brown sneaked in.
In the most recent statewide elections in 2010, Ohio elected Kasich as governor; Portman overwhelmingly as Senator; and the entire slate of statewide candidates (replacing all the dems who took office in '06). Ohio leans right.
An additional nugget to chew on. Kasich came real close to winning in several metropolitan counties that are traditionally considered democrat strongholds, due mostly to pitifully poor democrat turnout in those areas. And Obama was here more than a dozen times trying to drag former Gov. Strickland across the line for reelection. I don't see any more excitement here on the democratic side than in 2010. And the reported numbers on democrat registration back that up.
I think Romney will win comfortably (by 4-6 points) in Ohio.
Posted by: uncle jj at October 17, 2012 02:28 PM (hDiZ0)
Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 17, 2012 02:28 PM (myjU0)
I dislike the snobbery of the "intellectual elite" who think they are the only people who know anything.
My father never got but one semester of college because of the Depression, and in order to help his family, he enlisted in the Army in 1937 (stockade Ft. Snelling with horses and pay in silver dollars) and ended up staying in until after WWII. He came home and did furnace repair and sheet metal work. My mother, who was a teacher, stayed home with all 5 of us until I was in 5th grade, and dad got a job as head of maintenance in the local school system.
Every time I hear that sneer of Obama's, I think of some of the younger teachers who treated by dad shabbily because he was the maintenance guy.
Two Bronze Stars from Italian theater (one because he learned Italian and organized the street people of Naples to repair equipment) a man who could write humorous sonnets and figure algebra in his head, to them was anobody because he wore coveralls.
And that is what I hear from Obama, who I hope ends up eating from a trash can.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 17, 2012 02:28 PM (GoIUi)
Yep. It will be epic. The press is going to stop their current path and reverse so quickly the MSM transmission is going to asplode and lie in pieces in the middle of the street.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at October 17, 2012 02:29 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:29 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 02:29 PM (QEfsO)
It says good things about Romney that even with hostile moderators and obvious prior knowledge of the questions by JEF, he still one the first debate in a blowout and held is own last night.
Colorado will put Romney over the top on November 6.
Posted by: Dax at October 17, 2012 02:29 PM (wUl8r)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:29 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:30 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:30 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 17, 2012 02:31 PM (jucos)
I @-ed candy crowely on twitter to find out about that.
I don't expect she'll answer. But other people might notice the question.
Posted by: ace at October 17, 2012 06:25 PM (LCRYB)
Romney and the RNC should be asking for a public apology. She stepped way out of bounds after saying she was not going to follow the rules, and she knew it. If we roll over and take it, we embolden these Dem-media @#$$%* to do it again and again.
And if the Debate Commission will not back us up, fire them. Monday is the last debate, explain that we will find an alternative in the next four years, unless there is an apology on Monday. The debate commission people do not want to lose their prestigious and cushy jobs.
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 17, 2012 02:31 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 17, 2012 02:31 PM (A1qjF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:31 PM (j1gX1)
Posted by: MJ at October 17, 2012 02:32 PM (TR60b)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 06:23 PM (QxSug)
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Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 02:32 PM (IOWVc)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 17, 2012 02:32 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:32 PM (QxSug)
She is. Link in my name.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 17, 2012 02:32 PM (qrpxS)
She coated it with butter, it lets the chocolate slip right off.
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 02:33 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 02:33 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 17, 2012 02:33 PM (Sptt8)
Nevergiveup: In all probability, the whole debate was a set-up from the beginning
Well how preplanned was Obama's anger at being told he or someone in his adminsitration would be accused of something. That was straight up intimidation Obama has used before and expects the press to call anyone who challanges his veracity a racist. He is actually playing the race card there. thing is this is beyond that and Romney didn't back down. Good luck Obumbler in the FP debate.
Posted by: Conan at October 17, 2012 02:34 PM (n98nL)
She is holding a small pile of papers. I've been going back through the video on The Five in buffer. Hard to figure why she'd need much paper.
Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 02:34 PM (sOtz/)
Yeah, it was a problem, as was that idiocy about offering a path to citizenship for illegal kids. But, first things first. Barky has to be removed or it's game over over. After that we'll get to work on keeping Mitt in line with reality and law (and pursuing the necessity of having Barky and his junta prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the many laws they have flagrantly violated and rended).
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Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 02:34 PM (IOWVc)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 02:35 PM (136wp)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:35 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 02:36 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at October 17, 2012 02:36 PM (iKSAz)
202...Remember this: Some jackass at the RNC or the Romney Campaign AGREED to hold this in liberal Long Island where liberal dems masquarade as undecided and they also "allowed" the moderator to cull the questions. Fuckin idiot
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Michael Steele.
That's who agreed to these locations...and moderators.
Posted by: wheatie at October 17, 2012 02:36 PM (ipkPX)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 02:37 PM (136wp)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at October 17, 2012 02:37 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Conan at October 17, 2012 02:37 PM (n98nL)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 17, 2012 02:37 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:37 PM (j1gX1)
I know this isn't the right thread, but during the debate last night Romney said "government doesn't create jobs". Then, when asked about difficulties for women in the marketplace, he mentioned how he hired a bunch of women while he was governor. That's like affirmative action and nanny state in one statement, as far as I'm concerned.
Frankly, I was hoping for Santorum, even though I knew his chances were slim. But this is why I couldn't go for Romney then, and I am stuck voting for him now, despite this pretty glaring contradiction. I'm surprised the MSM isn't all over this one. Or maybe it is, and I just haven't seen it yet.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 06:20 PM (IOWVc)
"Glaring contradiction"? The government doesn't directly create jobs but it indirectly does by establishing an economic environment that is conducive for companies to hire people. The government also has to hire people to run the government. I certainly hope that this isn't news to you. I don't know how you expected Romney to answer that type of question, especially if you didn't want him to ostracize a large part of the electorate. That question and many of the others last night are more of an indictment against these idiotic town hall debates than they are an indictment against Romney.
Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 02:37 PM (LTbLf)
Posted by: backhoe at October 17, 2012 02:37 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:38 PM (j1gX1)
I learned long ago that judging someone's worth by his employment is a recipe for disaster.
It was obviously their loss and your father's gain.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2012 02:38 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:38 PM (9+ccr)
I can't.
Not a chance.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 17, 2012 06:31 PM (SY2Kh)
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Just sayin.
And New Hampshire is Obamaland anyway, by like 20 points or more. I agree, PA would be a likely loss. But it's all speculation now, anyway. Romney's it, and we better push hard to get rid of TFG.
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 02:39 PM (IOWVc)
Posted by: Texas Ranger at October 17, 2012 02:39 PM (IvvrO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:39 PM (j1gX1)
Don't worry about Ohio or Pa. We don't tend to answer the phone when the pollster's call. Both States will go Romney. We're not as stupid as everybody thinks we are. I'm a female. The husband is a 33 year union member. He doesn't know anyone at work who's voting for Barry...They hate him
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Posted by: Rich at October 17, 2012 02:39 PM (pnHKr)
"Weldor?" No shit?
You learn something new every day.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2012 02:40 PM (2b4yb)
Who gave her the transcript?
Setup by the Obama people perhaps?
Crowley should have been fired yesterday. Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 06:01 PM
Just saw this clip on one of the Boston stations, where the fuckwit "political expert" was ranting about last night being a Big Win for Choom Boy.
I mean, I know this state is one of the most retarded liberal strongholds in the nation, and that the networks are at the head of the line shilling for Osama Obama, but even a brain-dead Masshole has to see the truth once in a while. Well, maybe that's just me having more faith in the 1% of the 47% as humans than I should.
Last night was an obvious set-up from start to finish. That's why the fight has to intensify, not be relaxed for premature celebration. I am so sick of the Traitor-in-Chief that I want to see a 47-state blowout for Romney at a minimum. I want him destroyed, politically, along with his co-conspirators (like Lieawatha Warren) and all who support the America-hating shitstains currently in power.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at October 17, 2012 02:40 PM (ZgX/g)
Ohio has a goddam (R) governor. Why is it an automatic assumption it's always a blue state?
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Posted by: Rich at October 17, 2012 02:40 PM (pnHKr)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 17, 2012 02:40 PM (EwxYH)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 06:38 PM (9+ccr)
Agreed. Possibly the desk in front of her.
Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 02:41 PM (sOtz/)
Turnout in the metropolitan areas in Ohio was pitifully low in 2010, and that was despite Obama coming here a dozen times trying to help Gov. Strickland get re-elected (he lost).
Also, population is way down in the metro areas, just since 2008, especially in Cuyahoga County. I read that registrations there are down by 180,000 since 2008.
The bad guys don't have numbers to work with.
Posted by: uncle jj at October 17, 2012 02:41 PM (hDiZ0)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 17, 2012 02:41 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 17, 2012 06:40 PM (EwxYH)
Shhhh! You might wake it up..
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:41 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 06:39 PM (IOWVc)
Huh? The race in NH is currently a dead heat according to the RCP poll averages for the state. Considering Obama won it by nearly 10% in 2008, this should show you how badly Obama's underperforming compared to last time.
Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 02:42 PM (LTbLf)
The foreign policy in a Dildo presidency would be focused on a few things. One of them would be to foment internecine conflict throughout the Muslim world.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2012 02:42 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:42 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: MJ at October 17, 2012 02:42 PM (TR60b)
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 06:20 PM (IOWVc)
"Glaring contradiction"? The government doesn't directly create jobs but it indirectly does by establishing an economic environment that is conducive for companies to hire people. The government also has to hire people to run the government. I certainly hope that this isn't news to you. I don't know how you expected Romney to answer that type of question, especially if you didn't want him to ostracize a large part of the electorate. That question and many of the others last night are more of an indictment against these idiotic town hall debates than they are an indictment against Romney.
Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 06:37 PM (LTbLf)
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Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 02:43 PM (IOWVc)
Posted by: ace at October 17, 2012 06:23 PM (LCRYB)
I went on a Rockpile (Lowe, Edmunds) bender this summer (thanks, Spotify), so I've been hearing all those songs for the first time since the 90min cassette a friend made me in high school broke 20 yrs or so ago. Tragically underrated stuff.
Posted by: Bang Out Of Order at October 17, 2012 02:43 PM (1H47k)
Crowley is a useless, lying, scumbag piece of pig shit.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 17, 2012 06:41 PM (X3lox)
But other than that, Crowley's an OK person, right?
Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 02:43 PM (LTbLf)
Posted by: ScottBrown at October 17, 2012 02:44 PM (NLqWH)
245Ohio has a goddam (R) governor. Why is it an automatic assumption it's always a blue state?
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At the same time that union bill went down, the state voted overwhelmingly (60-40ish) for a symbolic initiative rebuking Obamacare.
In 2010, it wasn't just Kasich, but Portman, every statewide candidate, the state house, and the state senate that all went Republican.
Posted by: uncle jj at October 17, 2012 02:44 PM (hDiZ0)
The idea that because history says the GOP always has had Ohio means that we always HAVE to have it. Wisconsin is trending red at the state level, and it should be something Romney can take advantage of.
Posted by: Shawn at October 17, 2012 02:44 PM (/lltO)
Posted by: steevy at October 17, 2012 02:44 PM (6o4Fb)
Regardless, the economy cannot survive another 4 years of the Obama-Monster. I hope and pray that the majority can see this.
Posted by: small town girl at October 17, 2012 02:44 PM (AB/hg)
Posted by: ScottBrown at October 17, 2012 02:44 PM (NLqWH)
Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 06:42 PM (LTbLf)
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Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 02:44 PM (IOWVc)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 02:45 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: RWC at October 17, 2012 02:45 PM (t+Sdx)
Posted by: ScottBrown at October 17, 2012 02:45 PM (NLqWH)
234Ace is taking it to Axelrod & Crowley on Twitter:
Sex Binder þ@AceofSpadesHQ
.@davidaxelrod Did you provide the Rose Garden transcript to @crowleyCNN shortly before the debate?
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 06:35 PM (136wp)
Yeah crowley had that transcript then this should be shouted loud and far and investigated ASAP and the dems and the MSM made to pay. Of course nothing will really happen, but make them defend this reprehensible action and put them on the defensive
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I say who the f*ck cares what the MFM and chin pullers at NRO think?! There's still one more debate next week and that F wad Bob Schieffer will pull a similar stunt if not smacked down now.
Posted by: Meathammer at October 17, 2012 02:45 PM (W2qJe)
If she didn't have it in front of her why was she willing to 'fact check' something in the middle of a freaking presidential debate?
That only ever happened once in college debate when someone accused me of making up Sea Power Magazine, the (then at least) USNA Alumni magazine. I was right but we 'lost' the debate in front of a hardcore lefty judge. Sound familiar?
Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 02:45 PM (sOtz/)
Nope, none of us girls like her. So the scrunt's got nuttin.
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 02:45 PM (kXoT0)
The foreign policy in a Dildo presidency would be focused on a few things
This is why I subscribe to AOS.
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 17, 2012 02:46 PM (zLp5I)
274But other than that, Crowley's an OK person, right? Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 06:43 PM (LTbLf)
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All we can really say is that she's not a vegan and not anti-carbs.
Posted by: Meathammer at October 17, 2012 02:46 PM (W2qJe)
Romney has a reported fortune of $250 million.
I would suggest he write his campaign a check for ... $200 million or so, and dumps it all into PA and MI. That would be a game-changer.
Posted by: uncle jj at October 17, 2012 02:47 PM (hDiZ0)
Posted by: Tari at October 17, 2012 02:48 PM (2+Sc2)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:48 PM (9+ccr)
Unless you think the Dems are winning the House....
Posted by: Naj at October 17, 2012 02:48 PM (tAHf5)
I say who the f*ck cares what the MFM and chin pullers at NRO think?! There's still one more debate next week and that F wad Bob Schieffer will pull a similar stunt if not smacked down now.
Posted by: Meathammer at October 17, 2012 06:45 PM (W2qJe)
^^^THIS^^^
Make it personally embarrassing for the transgressor. MAKE Crowley apologize on National TV before the debate. This destroys her and is a warning to the next fuck-stick.
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 17, 2012 02:48 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: Jose/ningrim at October 17, 2012 02:49 PM (srIqv)
Don't worry about Ohio - I went to the Romney/Christie event last week in Cuy Falls - 12,000 people in line for 3 hours for an outdoor venue - I have never seen so many - young, old, families - energized beyond control. It was like a rock concert. Romney will win Ohio going away. What people fail to realize is that most Ohioians resent what has happened in their major cities - Cleveland, Cinci etc and blame lib democrats for it, especially Obama.
Posted by: hutsul at October 17, 2012 02:49 PM (d3fRW)
Posted by: barbarausa at October 17, 2012 02:49 PM (WWeoI)
All I'm saying is that he probably shouldn't have used a personal anecdote that he created jobs when he was in government, in his cabinet, based on gender. It doesn't hold up well to critique is all. He should have just said what you said - "a better economy, which is inevitable if you elect me, will benefit both women and men". I agree with your point - I just disagree with how he answered. But again, I never really trusted his motives as a true conservative, at least not in the same vein as Santorum or Gingrich.
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 06:43 PM (IOWVc)
There was no good response to that question for Romney, and I say that as someone who has never been a big fan of Romney either (my first choices in 2008 was Fred Thompson and 2012 was Rick Perry). Romney is a marginal conservative but he has a record of success in the private and public sectors that dwarf those of the current Oval Office occupant.
I'll be honest with you. What point does it make for you to be attacking Romney with comments that were better uttered during the GOP primaries? I don't understand what you hope to gain three weeks before the election. Help get Romney elected then hold his feet to the fire. This approach can work on at least some of the important issues, as it did with George W. Bush (e.g., Harriet Miers SCOTUS nomination that ended up being a much better Samuel Alito instead).
Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 02:50 PM (LTbLf)
That's ok, because I don't trust your motives.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 06:45 PM (QEfsO)
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Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 02:50 PM (IOWVc)
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 02:50 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 46% more DOOM! at October 17, 2012 02:50 PM (MrM2k)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:51 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 02:51 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 02:52 PM (QEfsO)
There's another option, you know.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 17, 2012 02:52 PM (qrpxS)
hmmm"
Leesburg VA, county seat of Loudoun County--where Dulles Airport is, and most of the internet traffic on earth passes through? Yes, joeindc44etc!
Posted by: barbarausa at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (WWeoI)
Posted by: Kathleen at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (pQZmy)
The post WWII low in unemployment was 3.9% in April 2000.
Gasoline was $1.72 a gallon.
You know who has as much grasp of Econ 101 as I do of Sofia Vergara.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (kNqmp)
This single and I think the song "Information" are the only things Edmunds ever did with Lynne. He spent the better part of his career working with Nick Lowe. Possibly my all time favorite rock guitarist. Check out his version of "Sabre Dance" -- it's quite bad ass.
Nice! Thanks!
Posted by: hisfrogness at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (6orKY)
There is no path for Ofluster without Ohio. Make him spend all his money there and get IA or NM or NV (or WA?).
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (j1gX1)
Who gave her the transcript? Setup by the Obama people perhaps? Crowley should have been fired yesterday. and Obama said "Proceed" with a grin. This occurred to me. Posted by: ace at October 17, 2012 06:18 PM
No shit? If for real, that there's evidence of collusion, conspiracy and corruption by Crowley the scrunt. If that is for real, Ace, get it out. While Drudge would probably not link, sadly, if the Free Beacon or Breitbart nailed it down, then it would get the exposure it warrants. Assholes.
Posted by: eureka! at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (cTjRR)
Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (QxSug)
Your concerned concern has been duly noted.
Posted by: billygoat at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (CfGGV)
Dude. CAC's RCP map yesterday has Washington as likely Obama. He's only got 142 EVs safer than that.
Posted by: Methos at October 17, 2012 02:54 PM (6LvlL)
I think many of us appreciate your voice of reason.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2012 02:55 PM (2b4yb)
1. All he was getting was resumes and recommendations for guys.
2. He asked the questions (I am paraphrasing), "Do you mean to tell me that there are no women equally as well qualified for these jobs? If there are some, get me their resumes so I can consider them as well."
3. Then he split the hiring after being certain that he had all the good candidates, not just the ones without ladyparts.
The women in his administration put together a video about it. There is nothing unConservative about refusing to be steered to hire only guys.
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 02:55 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 17, 2012 06:52 PM (qrpxS)
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Go ahead! Throw your vote away!
Posted by: Kang and Kodos at October 17, 2012 02:55 PM (1H47k)
Posted by: Durka at October 17, 2012 02:55 PM (1crPI)
I know, it's not popular to criticize Romney at this point. It's just hard for me to cheer him on when he says stuff I find anti-conservative, even if it wasn't intended that way. I don't mean to offend anyone. Just voicing my opinion among the like-minded.
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 06:50 PM (IOWVc)
Right, Feel free to complain all you want after Nov. 7. We will need help in making sure the Romney Administration is conservative. In the mean time, our ONLY CONCERN is making Romney and Ryan victorious on 11/6.
Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 17, 2012 02:56 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: backhoe at October 17, 2012 02:56 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: RWC at October 17, 2012 02:57 PM (t+Sdx)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 02:57 PM (QEfsO)
leesburgh event tonight?
I know the rest of you morons know, but where the f$ is leesburgh?" Meathammer, you know that eastern-projecting skinny arm of West VA that projects between MD and VA? Loudoun County (Leesburg) is the piece of VA it buts up against. We are part of the DC Metro area, and elected a 9-0 Republican Board of Supervisors a year ago next month, along with a slew of R state delegates. The supes have a bus ready to take them to the rally after the public hearing tonight (paid out of their own money, and not county).
Posted by: barbarausa at October 17, 2012 02:57 PM (WWeoI)
Posted by: jimi ray♥ at October 17, 2012 02:57 PM (79EF9)
At least one person here agrees that his answer was at the very least ill worded. Government doesnt create jobs -- stick with that. Don't go talking about how you did just that, for women specifically, when you were an executive in state government. Just not thought out.
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 02:58 PM (IOWVc)
If -- IF -- you're not a troll but are just "concerned," A solid minute's thought about Choom Boy and what that America-hating shitweasel has done and wants to keep doing to the country ought to make you into a rabid cheerleader for Romney.
Never mind the other shit.
Unless, that is, you're really "Poppin' Fresh" and are mourning the loss of the T-Paw candidacy and wondering what you're gonna do without "Obamateurisms" after Jan. 20th. In which case, fuck you.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at October 17, 2012 02:58 PM (ZgX/g)
Can we have a dedicated Concern Thread so we can beat the daylights out of the concerned?
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Nah, that's not fair. Being overly concerned is just fear of failure, an unfortunate but common presonality trait. Almost all of us exhibit some level of concern over important events. So, maybe a "Give The Concerned A Binky" thread would be a nice way to work on the problem.
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Of course we have to seperate the Romney supporting concerned peeps from the Obama supporting fake concern trolls first. Then the beatings and binky distributions can begin.
Posted by: Meremortal, only a teeny-tiny bit concerned at October 17, 2012 02:58 PM (1Y+hH)
I'm sure his decision is more broadly noble than this, but consider what good being wealthy does you if western civilization collapses.
Posted by: Methos at October 17, 2012 02:58 PM (6LvlL)
Posted by: Craig Poe at October 17, 2012 02:58 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 17, 2012 02:58 PM (X3lox)
Get that punk's name. No one makes a fool of Diamond Joe Quimby.
Posted by: Mayor Quimby [/i] [/b] at October 17, 2012 02:58 PM (qrpxS)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 02:59 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 02:59 PM (9+ccr)
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Posted by: @PurpAv at October 17, 2012 03:00 PM (5tKuy)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 03:01 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: Meathammer at October 17, 2012 03:01 PM (W2qJe)
So....is "weldor" the person, and "welder" the machine?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2012 03:01 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: Adam at October 17, 2012 03:02 PM (nB816)
Posted by: Meremortal, only a teeny-tiny bit concerned at October 17, 2012 06:58 PM (1Y+hH)
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What did I say that could possibly be called fake? I'm not afraid of a Romney loss - it's clear he's going to win, and probably by 30 or 40 electoral votes. Not big, but decisive. I'm just commenting on one little misstatement he made in front of millions. I would think we would want to know where the left my push a non-issue to gain traction. Oh well.
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 03:03 PM (IOWVc)
Love me some welders. Proud to share this forum with you and every other blue collar person who is here.
My late Dad was a welder out of Local 597 in Chicago. He was the best of the best as far as welders went. At his funeral, more than one man stood up and told a story about my Dad's skills. BTW, he had an automatic deferment in WWII. He kept going down to enlist and they kept refusing him. He finally told them, "I will not take a welding job while my brother is fighting this war." The Marines let him enlist--then they trained him to weld the rubberized tanks on aircraft. He always laughed about that.
A real man and a finer man never drew breath.
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 03:03 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 46% more DOOM! at October 17, 2012 03:03 PM (MrM2k)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 03:03 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 17, 2012 03:03 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Witchfinder at October 17, 2012 03:05 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 03:06 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: barbarausa at October 17, 2012 03:06 PM (WWeoI)
Posted by: Right Turn Allowed at October 17, 2012 07:03 PM (IOWVc)
No worries. Pick up a binky, chair and sign at your local Romney Headquarters.
Posted by: Meremortal the Merciful at October 17, 2012 03:06 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Durka at October 17, 2012 03:06 PM (1crPI)
All honest work is honorable. And a positive contribution to society.
Posted by: backhoe at October 17, 2012 06:37 PM (ULH4o)
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That's cool! So does that mean that a female who takes up the occupation of welding is a weldrix? :-)
And you're right. All honest work is honorable. I wish more people understood that.
From brainyquote.com:
"The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water. " -- John W. Gardner
Posted by: Mary in LA at October 17, 2012 03:07 PM (9wOfB)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 17, 2012 03:07 PM (QEfsO)
Posted by: jimi ray at October 17, 2012 03:08 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Witchfinder at October 17, 2012 03:11 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: jimi ray at October 17, 2012 03:13 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: backhoe at October 17, 2012 03:13 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: jimi ray at October 17, 2012 03:15 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Witchfinder at October 17, 2012 03:15 PM (pLTLS)
Good signs, seeing some Romney/Ryan signs on my commute to Boulder for work, not seeing a huge number of Barry signs and not a lot of bumper stickers this year --2004 and 2008 the Kerry and Barry stickers were everywhere (and I put a Romney sticker on my car --first time ever for a political sticker for me)
Bad signs. liberal female FB 'friends' still 'liking' Barry campaign stuff. The liberal that has p/t feed lease on my PasoFino and comes out to ride told me in 2011 when it was "generic republican TBD" that no way would she vote for Barry again and most of her friends had also stated such, but now she is waffling. "I cant vote for Romney, silver spoon ....." at best I may convince her to vote for Gary Johnson or Green party, maybe Barr/Sheehan, she was a Hillary supporter but I don't think ever a PUMA who said she'd vote for McCain.
Posted by: PaleRider at October 17, 2012 03:16 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: steevy at October 17, 2012 06:44 PM (6o4Fb)
That and the drugs/uppers helped, too.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 17, 2012 03:18 PM (KL49F)
The very inner city of Cincinnati is blue (guess why.) The immediate outlying areas-- and I mean like a 10 minute drive-- are reliably red. Columbus, not so much. It's a socialist state cap shithole, plus... Ohio State. Cleveland... well, what do I need to say about Cleveland.
Posted by: Filly at October 17, 2012 03:21 PM (XPGaG)
Posted by: gary at October 17, 2012 03:23 PM (aUnng)
Don't vote on Nov. 6th.
Stay at home and be concerned. Be VERY concerned as to why Ron Paul is not on the ballot.
Posted by: Concerned Troll at October 17, 2012 03:23 PM (MhmxX)
Please, the undecideds are deciding whether to vote Obama or stay home. He can not win Ohio.
It will be between 301 and 330 electoral votes for Romney.
Posted by: simpleton at October 17, 2012 03:23 PM (za3QZ)
Posted by: backhoe at October 17, 2012 03:23 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Witchfinder at October 17, 2012 03:24 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 07:03 PM (kXoT0)
No love for us?
Posted by: Superglue Factory #4, India at October 17, 2012 03:26 PM (YYyqq)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 17, 2012 03:28 PM (ZifVj)
Posted by: Tari at October 17, 2012 03:28 PM (2+Sc2)
Posted by: Filly at October 17, 2012 03:28 PM (XPGaG)
Posted by: Filly at October 17, 2012 03:32 PM (XPGaG)
Posted by: laughing at neck braces at October 17, 2012 03:32 PM (nVqtU)
Posted by: Tari at October 17, 2012 03:32 PM (2+Sc2)
Posted by: goldilocks at October 17, 2012 03:36 PM (OETVg)
Posted by: Witchfinder at October 17, 2012 03:38 PM (pLTLS)
Seriously. I mentioned last night that he took me from revulsion to wanting to leap onto the stage and hug him after the first debate. He's done quite the sales job on me. I know he'll piss me off innumerable times if he wins, but I've really come around on him as a person.
Posted by: Filly at October 17, 2012 03:39 PM (XPGaG)
Posted by: Doug Winship at October 17, 2012 03:40 PM (S6I/9)
Heh. My sister excitedly texted me when she got her Chabot cups at their parish festival this year. He gave one to her baby son and she was all excited. "His first Chabot cup!"
Posted by: Filly at October 17, 2012 03:41 PM (XPGaG)
Late to the party... Ohio is Romney's. I come from a big, working-lower middle class catholic family-- bit of a diverse bunch from tea party to life long UAW members. Those who voted dem in 08' have denounced him-- they might not pull the lever for RR, but they will just sit it out.
I think Mitt will get +300 EVs easily.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at October 17, 2012 03:41 PM (B4c1Q)
Live in cleveland also. Many Romney signs. Fewer by far Obama signs.
Kaisich not hated. Union reform failed only because it included police and firefighters. Would have passed if it was non emergency workers.
There are no undecided Republicans. They are all voting for Romeny.
THe independents are voting romney.
The only undecideds are democrats who voted for JEF last time, and who can't stomach the thought of doing it again.
Its like nothing I have ever seen before up here. Real hard core dems think this guy is a failure. He just flat out doesn't show up sometimes -- as we all saw in the first debate. They don't like to stick up for the guy and then have him not even bother to prepare. They aren't going to kill themselves to vote. If its raining that day, he's totally "F"ed.
Posted by: simpleton at October 17, 2012 03:42 PM (za3QZ)
Posted by: Will Never Vote For a dhimmocrat at October 17, 2012 06:50 PM (kXoT0)
YES! As someone said yesterday, who knew Romney as a businessman and governor, we are blessed that a man of such character and success would even want this job.
Posted by: LASue at October 17, 2012 03:42 PM (pWeX5)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 17, 2012 03:42 PM (ZifVj)
We will, of course, never really know just what he thinks of the press riot over his father's 'brainwashed' remark. Absolutely true (history's shown that MACV was not exactly trustworthy) but the public wasn't yet ready to buy it, so it flushed George right out of the race.
Posted by: JEM at October 17, 2012 03:43 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Tari at October 17, 2012 03:46 PM (2+Sc2)
Posted by: Filly at October 17, 2012 03:47 PM (XPGaG)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 46% more DOOM! at October 17, 2012 03:48 PM (MrM2k)
Posted by: goldilocks at October 17, 2012 03:50 PM (OETVg)
How do you know when the left is in full crisis mode? Trolls abound at every conservative website. Libs log off mamma's computer and foam at the mouth to take on Conservative talkshows like the Wilkow Majority on Sirius/XM. Liberals get crazier when they are about to lose. I'm getting more optimistic day-by-day.
Posted by: Nodak at October 17, 2012 03:52 PM (gtFvs)
Posted by: Schnack at October 17, 2012 03:54 PM (4XDMy)
Posted by: laughing at neck braces at October 17, 2012 03:55 PM (nVqtU)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 17, 2012 03:55 PM (ZifVj)
For the record, I think Romney will pull it out in Ohio, but I agree, why not make a real play for Michigan, it has both a Republican Governor, Legislature, and the Romney name does mean something there. It's not the black hole some people think it is.
I have to think though, Romney's people have data we don't, and it's easy to be an armchair quarterback.
Ohio is a traditionally Republican state, as short as 2 years ago the GOP dominated every part of the ballot, so it's hardly some deep blue state now.
Elections almost always turn "national", I just don't see a realistic scenario where we win the popular vote but lose Ohio.
I don't know what the debate will do, but even the lopsided polls seem to make this election look like 1980.
Posted by: Jeepers at October 17, 2012 03:56 PM (XDRsa)
Posted by: laughing at neck braces
The difference is, the % of people in CA who live in the cities is greater than in PA.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 17, 2012 03:57 PM (dZ756)
You're simply wrong; it's for the most part a very conservative state with a couple urban blue hells that sometime cause it to jump on a wave election. The JEF has never been popular here; Stalin-Rodham trucked his pansy ass in the 2008 primary and in the general most of the counties went for Palin and that senile fuck she tried to drag across the finish line. But the urban fucks had a huge turnout; plus Twitch Strickland had that whore Jennifer Brunner passing every horseshit ballot that ACORN sent her. Guess what; Twitch is gone and Kasich will fight the bullshit.
Have you ever been in Ohio?
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at October 17, 2012 03:58 PM (y9B0M)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 04:00 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 17, 2012 04:01 PM (HethX)
Posted by: Ed from Ohio at October 17, 2012 04:03 PM (vNXV3)
Dave in FL has been analyzing the OH polls, and when you adjust for likely turnout, Romney has it by 4% or 5%.
That being said, CO + WI is one more EV than OH, and we've heard positive testimony from a WI moron or two.
To get the remaining 3 or 4 EV votes, there are a few states that are supposedly 50/50. If that's true the odds are very high that he gets at least one.
But a lot can happen in a few weeks. A guy with NPD has a 100% chance of trying to cheat, so watch for something even dirtier than the flat-out lies.
Posted by: Optimizer at October 17, 2012 04:15 PM (4MJt/)
Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 04:17 PM (LTbLf)
51-45.
at this point, forget ohio. if this gallup number is true, ohio would be won by 6 pts, if the election were held today.
the msm is slow to accept it, but it is romeny's to lose. the certainty that they held for obama's reelection, based on polling, is now the romney position.
kudos to gallup, for starting the bidding at obama's electoral support at 45%. he's got a 42% in him. given how well he has done with the economy he might even put up a 40%.
Posted by: mark l. at October 17, 2012 04:20 PM (YQWyY)
Posted by: Optimizer at October 17, 2012 04:20 PM (4MJt/)
dave edmunds?
was thinking bonnie tyler, 'It's a heartache'.
...Standing in the cold rain,
Feeling like a clown.
...Love him til your arms break
Then he lets you down.
Posted by: mark l. at October 17, 2012 04:24 PM (YQWyY)
Posted by: edj at October 17, 2012 04:47 PM (+QKfp)
Posted by: Ohiovoter at October 17, 2012 04:53 PM (AkFx3)
Posted by: Romneylosttheelectionlastnight at October 17, 2012 05:05 PM (l5Jl8)
Posted by: Pforeman at October 17, 2012 05:13 PM (b4nLG)
New SurveyUSA poll in Ohio has Obama up 3, 45-42. Romney leads indys by 8. Sample is D+7 which is better than 2008 turnout for Ds.
Posted by: Romneylosttheelectionlastnight at October 17, 2012 09:05 PM (l5Jl
Therefore, a more realistic turnout model for this poll would have it tied or Romney up by a point or so in Ohio. Plus, there are obviously a lot of undecideds not yet committed to voting for either candidate. Barring any unforeseen events or information that badly damages Romney over the next three weeks, history shows that Romney will win at least 60% of the late undecideds. All of this taken together probably shows Romney currently up by 2-3% in Ohio, though that can definitely change in the next three weeks.
Posted by: Slappy at October 17, 2012 05:13 PM (LTbLf)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at October 17, 2012 05:26 PM (WCzJ6)
Posted by: Ace' Ass at October 17, 2012 06:21 PM (O7kyn)
Posted by: chris at October 17, 2012 06:44 PM (KDAAY)
Having worked both Bush campaigns (2000 & 2004), Ohio will again be determined in Hamilton County (SW OH). The Ohio GOTV is as motivated as I've ever seen. Three weeks ago, two young ladies came knocking on doors in my condo complex. This past weekend two young men came knocking, part of a group of 30 college kids from Indiana. Most of my progressive 250+ FB friends had been posting anti-Romney threads for months - ZERO since the first debate. Ohio knows the governor has changed the economy and turned a deficit into a surplus, not Obama. Portman, in my district, is also enormously popular in Ohio. Mandell has erased a 17 point deficit and Harry Reid is flooding the airwaves with lying BS trying to help the most socialist member of the Senate, Sherrod Brown. And SE Ohio is coal country. Early ballot requests favor Republicans, Cuyahoga county has lost 180,000 registered Democrats. And do not for one minute believe early voting has gone 3-to-1 for Obama.
Posted by: lcs at October 17, 2012 07:03 PM (rZMjP)
Posted by: East Bay Jay at October 17, 2012 07:28 PM (7v8o1)
Posted by: chris at October 17, 2012 10:44 PM (KDAAY)
The campaign against the public unions was a major clusterfuck by the Republican party with shithead Kevin DeWine torpedoing Kasich, for which the Tea Party kicked his ass out of the Repub steering committee when the state primary happened. In that same vote Bammycare got rejected by a similar measure. I'm not sure if Sherrod Brown will be kicked out because he is a tool of the unions but I'm still hoping Josh Mandel will prevail. The Restraining Order is nervous because he's been carpet bombing the state with ads. Brown won his Senate seat against Mike DeWine, who was ok but it was in 2006 when there was a wave election against the Repubs.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at October 17, 2012 07:36 PM (y9B0M)
Posted by: Sexypig at October 17, 2012 07:45 PM (fbKRB)
Posted by: lcs at October 17, 2012 08:42 PM (rZMjP)
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