December 28, 2012
— Ace I have heard from numerous Media bien pensants that if one's intentions are good, and in the public interest, you get to ignore the law.
n attorney for Hobby Lobby Stores said Thursday that the arts and crafts chain plans to defy a federal mandate requiring it to offer employees health coverage that includes access to the morning-after pill, despite risking potential fines of up to $1.3 million per day.Hobby Lobby and religious book-seller Mardel Inc., which are owned by the same conservative Christian family, are suing to block part of the federal health care law that requires employee health-care plans to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after pill and similar emergency contraception pills.
The companies claim the mandate violates the religious beliefs of their owners. They say the morning-after pill is tantamount to abortion because it can prevent a fertilized egg from becoming implanted in a woman's womb.
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Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 08:32 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: mugiwara at December 28, 2012 08:33 AM (hpYnL)
Posted by: Valerie Jarret at December 28, 2012 08:33 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 28, 2012 08:34 AM (gmtWn)
Hobby Lobby is based in Oklahoma, btw.
You know...a red state.
So of course, they should be punished!
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 08:34 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 28, 2012 08:34 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 08:35 AM (TBTjX)
Posted by: Y-not at December 28, 2012 08:35 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 28, 2012 08:36 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 28, 2012 08:36 AM (jTKU5)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at December 28, 2012 08:36 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: Picric at December 28, 2012 08:36 AM (7xt3Z)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:37 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2012 08:37 AM (GFM2b)
first they came for the hobby store owners and I didn't care because I'm not a hobby store owner ...
then they came for the gun owners and I didn't care because I'm not a gun owner ...
then they came for the idiots ... then I cared ...
Posted by: JeffC at December 28, 2012 08:37 AM (A3tpD)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2012 08:37 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Hillary Rodham Clinton at December 28, 2012 08:38 AM (Md8Uo)
So go Hobby Lobby... and anyone else who defies the blood-sucking Leviathan known as D.C.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 28, 2012 08:38 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Picric at December 28, 2012 12:36 PM (7xt3Z)
Godspeed, dear soul, Godspeed.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Clemenza at December 28, 2012 08:38 AM (Q8Pu5)
Posted by: AnnaS at December 28, 2012 08:39 AM (yxa5A)
It's one thing for a religious organization trying to claim exemption, but I don't see a craft store chain succeeding.
The "right" to Free Shit trumps all.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 08:39 AM (SY2Kh)
Good for them. Peaceful resistance. I can't remember how many people here said that people should get together and not pay taxes, starve the beast so to speak. This is along those lines.
Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at December 28, 2012 08:40 AM (bj+Nc)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 28, 2012 12:38 PM (eHIJJ)
the key is to just ignore the law FIRST... don't talk about it.... THATS what gets you in trouble...
Posted by: US Justice Dept. at December 28, 2012 08:40 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2012 12:37 PM (TOk1P)
They're very similar to a Joann Fabric or Michael's. A variety of crafting materials for everything from jewelry making to baking to sewing to fine arts.
I've been needing some more embroidery floss...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:40 AM (4df7R)
I said, it's the juxtaposition that's so jarring.
Who ta hell even connected segz-ual licentiousness with an arts and craft store?
Frankly, Michael's was a lousy place to pick up chicks. I almost scored a coupla times at JoAnn Fabrics, but dude, fish in a barrel. Like being th only guy at a baby shower. It just happens.
My buddy, who spare-time apprenticed with an upholsterer so he could make his own race-car seats? And learned to run a HD sewing machine, called a serger? More ass than the afore-mentioned race-car seat. He, like, serged. Zig-zag.
Will someone posit the notion that craft artisans, with all their coat-hanger-bending mad skillsetz, are so good at backroom abortions, that the prevention point is "mute"? Because, the civility rules being what they are, that's gotta happen.
Posted by: comatus at December 28, 2012 08:41 AM (qaVK+)
Posted by: Dave H at December 28, 2012 08:41 AM (k85z0)
21 Never been inside one of these places... do they sell anything that anyone who hates hobbies would want to buy?
They have a furniture and home-deco section...they sell framed art prints and such.
They also sell candles and potpouri, vases, etc.
It's not all 'hobby and craft' stuff.
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 08:41 AM (K4wCe)
Balsa and thin plywoods. Good for building your own drones.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 08:42 AM (TBTjX)
They sell the kits for Cub Scouts to make their little Pinewood Derby cars.
Wonder if they sell be-dazzling kits for scary "assault" vests?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 08:43 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: alexthechick - Yay! Tennis! at December 28, 2012 08:43 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Dave H at December 28, 2012 12:41 PM (k85z0)
They can still defy the ruling. Why not? The gubmint does it all the time.
Civil disobedience. I remember when the left thought it was the bee's knees.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:43 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: toby928© beating memes to death since 2006 at December 28, 2012 08:44 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: SFGoth at December 28, 2012 08:44 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 12:43 PM (UOM4
If they do, I WANT ONE.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2012 08:44 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 12:42 PM (TBTjX)
They also sell Plastic Models... Paints... Railroad scenery... Rocket Kits...
Posted by: US Justice Dept. at December 28, 2012 08:44 AM (lZBBB)
Balsa and thin plywoods. Good for building your own drones.
How is that not a hobby?
How can anyone just hate hobbies generally? What do you do with your free time, put yourself into a drug-induced vegetative coma?
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 08:45 AM (TULs6)
Should pay for the fine pretty handily while setting up friends for the inevitable collapse.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 28, 2012 08:45 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: #6 at December 28, 2012 08:45 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: Shtetl G at December 28, 2012 08:45 AM (L2eC5)
When you wander through a place like that, think not what something is being sold for, think about what something can be USED for.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 08:46 AM (TBTjX)
They are associated with an RC plane/truck site.
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/welcome.htm
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 28, 2012 08:46 AM (Y6HTt)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2012 08:46 AM (GFM2b)
39...They can still defy the ruling. Why not? The gubmint does it all the time.
Yep, MWR.
Barky is defying the Law by not enforcing DOMA.
So maybe Hobby Lobby can use that as a precedent.
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 08:47 AM (K4wCe)
Isn't it amazing how those rules of federal standing work...or not. Indiana could not get standing even though they had been defrauded of retirement funds.
We would get better rulings from the court if they brought in the first 12 people in the phone book of Oates, SC.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2012 08:48 AM (53z96)
Not exactly the sort of society that an idealistic conservative wishes to belong to, nor perhaps the most prosperous, generous, just, or equal society.
So...for the next four years does an idealistic conservative put principles on hold and play the game to win, with the society we have? Or is it better to retain one's principles, and tilt against a few windmills? Or maybe a bit of both?
Posted by: Sweet Lou at December 28, 2012 08:48 AM (gsPPG)
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 12:45 PM (TULs6)
To be fair, HL doesn't sell things like video games, televisions, sports equipment, or books (outside of various pattern books and how-to guides).
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:48 AM (4df7R)
The Hobby Lobby is obviously interested in high capacity hobbies. I'm afraid this does not qualify for an exemption to Obamacare, my plan that I intend for the health and welfare of all Americans, especially the sexually promiscuous, much like my own dear departed mother.
The Hobby Lobby will not be able to stop the march of progress and will be forced to provide abortifacients to their employees. Because that's freedom and I say so.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama, Master of Time and Space at December 28, 2012 08:49 AM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: and irresolute at December 28, 2012 08:49 AM (DBH1h)
I understand how one might not be interested in Hobby Lobbies, I'm not particular to them myself.
But you can't just hate on hobbies generically.
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 08:49 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 08:50 AM (r2PLg)
Get thyself to the tools section. It's your only hope.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 08:50 AM (SY2Kh)
What do you do with your free time, put yourself into a drug-induced vegetative coma?
Is fapping considered a hobby?
Posted by: Chafed Morons at December 28, 2012 08:50 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: No. 2 at December 28, 2012 08:50 AM (H84UO)
Indeed. I figure I can maybe pick up some pliers and a couple files.
The nearest Hobby Lobby to where I live is on S Willow St in Manchester. I can't stand Manchester, and especially not South Willow. I'll have to check out their online store instead.
Buycott, Baby! Start in Manchester, then stop off at Chik-fil-A in Nashua on my way home.
Posted by: fluffy at December 28, 2012 08:50 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 28, 2012 08:51 AM (6n5yR)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 08:51 AM (VtjlW)
===============
Who would hate hobbies?
Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2012 08:51 AM (H84UO)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 28, 2012 08:51 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 28, 2012 08:52 AM (Y5I9o)
The wise Latina with empathy said they can't get an injunction because they haven't really been damaged yet.
Just to add to my earlier thought, I'd argue to the wise Latina that the damage she is requiring is the damage done to my soul, the souls of my employees, and the souls of the unborn children affected by this ruling. Am I supposed to come back from the dead some day in the future with the flesh wounds to prove I'd spent some time in Hell before I can get a redress of my grievances?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:52 AM (4df7R)
6 for 2 and 2 for none and 6 for free and 6 for all! 6 for free for all!
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 08:53 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 08:53 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: SFGoth at December 28, 2012 08:53 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 08:54 AM (VtjlW)
Jane- I read your comments last night but it was on an older thread. I offer my heartfelt sympathies that you had to spend Christmas with Obamalots! I have cousins that are like that, I don't call them anymore.
I almost got into a fight at a wake in September 2008 over the JEF and one of my cousins. Early in the year they "hated" him and wanted Hillary. We all know what happened and they just loved him. One couple later changed their minds and planned on leaving dem party and registering as unenrolled here. I'm not sure if they did, I'm sure they didn't.
I have them in my family but cousin and ex sister in laws, I don't call them often now. Why waste my breath? Posted by: CarolT at December 28, 2012 08:54 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Whatev at December 28, 2012 08:55 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 28, 2012 08:55 AM (b+8h9)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 12:54 PM (VtjlW)
I LIKE this plan.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:56 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Whatev at December 28, 2012 08:56 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 08:56 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Doowleb at December 28, 2012 08:56 AM (iMJ7g)
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 08:57 AM (0Tt2x)
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 28, 2012 12:55 PM (b+8h9)
Depends. Some of the glass bowls, vases and jars they sell at these places are HUGE. That's a lot of dope smoke.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:57 AM (4df7R)
Come to think of it, if drug-induced comas are your thing, you could probably build yourself a bong with hobby items. Well, maybe that's more drug-induced silliness than drug-induced comas, but still.
Can you pay in silver dimes?
Posted by: Ronulans at December 28, 2012 08:57 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2012 08:57 AM (GFM2b)
Hmmm.... Interesting question though....
Under what authority can a Fine be imposed? It was supposedly written into the bill that Fines would NOT be Law Enforcment issues...
Heck, the EPA got slapped down by the Supremes for imposing Fines on people without giving them their day in Court...
If its not a Tax, its a Bill of Attainder...
If it IS a Tax... then its a FURTHER Tax for using your Right to Freedom of Religion?
What is the Legal Rationale for the Enforcement Mechanism? Under what Constitutional Power can Congress Enforce it?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2012 08:57 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 08:58 AM (0Tt2x)
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 08:58 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: CarolT at December 28, 2012 08:58 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 08:58 AM (uaJ2E)
Posted by: California high speed rail at December 28, 2012 08:59 AM (tdaam)
RPGs?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 28, 2012 08:59 AM (Y6HTt)
Posted by: some liberal at December 28, 2012 08:59 AM (mjR67)
Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 12:58 PM (uaJ2E)
trying to outdo the Scottish Fold still, eh?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 08:59 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jmel at December 28, 2012 09:00 AM (9tSXa)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 09:00 AM (VtjlW)
What is the Legal Rationale for the Enforcement Mechanism? Under what Constitutional Power can Congress Enforce it?
Because I say so, wingnut. Who is the Constitutional law professor around here, anyways? I am always right, and Sibelius will do as I tell her.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama, Master of Time and Space at December 28, 2012 09:00 AM (Md8Uo)
So...for the next four years does an idealistic conservative put principles on hold and play the game to win, with the society we have? Or is it better to retain one's principles, and tilt against a few windmills? Or maybe a bit of both?
Posted by: Sweet Lou at December 28, 2012 12:48 PM (gsPPG)
You help it burn by going as galt as you can.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 09:00 AM (bb5+k)
(You know it's in there.)
Posted by: Dang at December 28, 2012 01:00 PM (R18D0)
SHHHH, you weren't supposed to see that bit yet!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:01 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:01 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:01 AM (r2PLg)
What is the Legal Rationale for the Enforcement Mechanism? Under what Constitutional Power can Congress Enforce it?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2012 12:57 PM (lZBBB)
I won.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 01:00 PM (VtjlW)
Yep, that about covers it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:01 AM (4df7R)
***
There goes them wack-Craaaazy Christians again! They sure are a loony bunch! What we should do, is put abortifacients in chocolate. That would make everyone's life much easier.
http://tinyurl.com/cv4775y
Posted by: dananjcon at December 28, 2012 09:02 AM (jvd3N)
Who the hell does Hillary think she is?
The bloody Queen of England?
The Queen would actually be asked difficult questions. And she'd answer them, too.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:02 AM (4df7R)
Because shut up. Compelling government interest trumps a piece of paper written by a bunch of old dead white guys.
Posted by: SCOTUS at December 28, 2012 09:02 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:02 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Dang at December 28, 2012 09:02 AM (R18D0)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2012 09:03 AM (GFM2b)
SHHHH, you weren't supposed to see that bit yet!
But, but, but, we passed it. You mean we still can't see what's in it? That's not what Nazi Pelosi said...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 28, 2012 09:03 AM (yiIja)
Oh the hell does that happen in the United States?
You have the Secretary of State who was head of the department that suffered a historic loss --and there are questions about her hair but not one question that goes near 'the incident".
(This was also Pre--"The Bonkening")
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 12:50 PM (r2PLg)
Because everyone who works in the Media is a Liberal Democrat Union member who hates Conservatives and conservative ideas. Not only that, but many of them are blood relatives of Democrat office holders.
The Media needs to be replaced.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 09:03 AM (bb5+k)
85 If it was me, all new hires would be men and only women past menopausal age. Non of them to work more than 30 hours per week. It shouldn't take long to correct the problem.
The only way that would work, is if they are single and didn't have any female family members that they were claiming as dependents on their insurance coverage.
From what I understand...Hobby Lobby has had a very generous health coverage package, covering the families of their employees.
They just haven't covered abortion or birth control costs.
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 09:03 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 12:58 PM (0Tt2x)
Gas checks for cast lead bullets.
That.... or homemade pennies.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 28, 2012 09:04 AM (nELVU)
@90 Hmmm.... Interesting question though....
Under what authority can a Fine be imposed? It was supposedly written into the bill that Fines would NOT be Law Enforcment issues...
What is the Legal Rationale for the Enforcement Mechanism? Under what Constitutional Power can Congress Enforce it?
The problem is that the High Court ruled it's a tax, and as a tax it is enforceable by the IRS. You know: that organization that has more lawyers and federal agents than they have tax processors? Their methodology is to use their statutory authority of asset seizure and forfeiture to grab everything first, then apply fines and penalties while the case winds its way through the U.S. Tax Court, a special court set up just for hearing tax cases. No one ever wins before the Tax Court. Hobby Lobby will be out of business before you know it.
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 09:04 AM (0Tt2x)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:04 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:04 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 09:05 AM (4Ljxa)
Posted by: Y. at December 28, 2012 09:05 AM (k4wRs)
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 28, 2012 09:05 AM (6n5yR)
The trick is to carefully debur the nails they use as axles and polish them with 1200 grit sandpaper. After doing that, I had my dad chrome plate them and we polished them again. My brother I had pretty fast cars.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 09:06 AM (TBTjX)
Posted by: red at December 28, 2012 09:06 AM (ymJbM)
Posted by: Shoot Me at December 28, 2012 09:06 AM (qiXMt)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:06 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 28, 2012 01:03 PM (yiIja)
Well if you read Section One, Sub-Section A, Paragraph 3, Sub-paragraph (a), bullet point iii, you'd see that the law CLEARLY forbids all individuals from reading past page 1569 prior to the 2013 Congressional inauguration. If you've done so you are in violation of federal law and will be visited shortly by some agents of the government who would like to have a Little Chat with you.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:06 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 09:06 AM (uaJ2E)
Posted by: wth at December 28, 2012 09:06 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 09:06 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:07 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:07 AM (r2PLg)
That.... or homemade pennies.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 28, 2012 01:04 PM (nELVU)
The cap for a still?
**
Brrrrbb...I can help ya'll with that.
Posted by: Tickle at December 28, 2012 09:07 AM (jvd3N)
That.... or homemade pennies.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 28, 2012 01:04 PM (nELVU)
The cap for a still?
**
Brrrrbb...I can help ya'll with that.
Posted by: Tickle at December 28, 2012 09:07 AM (jvd3N)
Your puny logic will not help you here, citizen.
Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at December 28, 2012 09:07 AM (QKKT0)
Your puny logic will not help you here, citizen.
Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at December 28, 2012 09:07 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 09:08 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 09:08 AM (TULs6)
Well--I thought at least someone at ABC should have been embarrassed by it.
Like Jake Tapper.
He's off to CNN...soon.
Hell, he's just one small step away from MSDNC.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:08 AM (UOM48)
Well--I thought at least someone at ABC should have been embarrassed by it.
Like Jake Tapper.
He's off to CNN...soon.
Hell, he's just one small step away from MSDNC.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:08 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: red at December 28, 2012 01:06 PM (ymJbM)
because SHUT UP, that's why. Also REASONS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:09 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: red at December 28, 2012 01:06 PM (ymJbM)
because SHUT UP, that's why. Also REASONS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:09 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:09 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:09 AM (l86i3)
I picked up some nices sheets of copper while I was there. Guess what I'm making? Heh. heh. heh...
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 12:58 PM (0Tt2x)
Gas checks for cast lead bullets.
That.... or homemade pennies.
Nah... The U.S. Mint agents would be crawling down my throat if I tried to make a local currency. My "project" is a model for "visual enjoyment purposes only." Heh. heh. heh...
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 09:09 AM (0Tt2x)
I picked up some nices sheets of copper while I was there. Guess what I'm making? Heh. heh. heh...
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 12:58 PM (0Tt2x)
Gas checks for cast lead bullets.
That.... or homemade pennies.
Nah... The U.S. Mint agents would be crawling down my throat if I tried to make a local currency. My "project" is a model for "visual enjoyment purposes only." Heh. heh. heh...
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 09:09 AM (0Tt2x)
Posted by: CarolT at December 28, 2012 09:10 AM (z4WKX)
The best counterfeits are made using common pennies of the same year as the rare ones you plan to counterfeit. Then the trace contaminants will be correct.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 09:10 AM (TBTjX)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2012 09:10 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 09:10 AM (/eLjI)
You obviously failed to read my well-reasoned
Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Still Growing In Office at December 28, 2012 09:11 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Rob in Katy at December 28, 2012 09:11 AM (gdGJ1)
Posted by: US Justice Dept. at December 28, 2012 12:44 PM (lZBBB)
Would those be regular rocket kits, or the assault kits?
Posted by: chewydog at December 28, 2012 09:11 AM (BUY7X)
Regard to a secular argument, I don't see how birth control is a health issue in the first place except for the few off label uses. Impotency drugs should not be madatory coverage either which frankly is more of a health issue.
Posted by: polynikes at December 28, 2012 09:11 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 01:08 PM (TULs6)
That would actually be a pretty lucrative market, I imagine. "Tired of being hounded by animal rights groups about your pride of guard lions? Have we got the answer for you!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:11 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:12 AM (r2PLg)
"We took my work partners sons car into the tool and die shop where we worked. A major mororcycle manufacturor. About 24 man hours and around $5000 in machining costs, he took second place."
And I thought the kids whose dads had a full set of Dremel tools were dicks...
Posted by: Parker at December 28, 2012 09:12 AM (YkW3i)
I'd wager approximately everything that they agreed not to ask any Benghazi questions as a condition for getting the interview.
Because the adversarial press only applies to Republicans.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 09:12 AM (SY2Kh)
Or huge bunny rabbits as live stock.
http://tinyurl.com/cck9xc2
Posted by: Kim Jong Dead at December 28, 2012 09:12 AM (Y6HTt)
Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 09:12 AM (qpM85)
Why was that scrunt...er, Wise Latina..allowed to rule on this?
Shouldn't she have to recuse because the case may eventually end up at SCOTUS?
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 28, 2012 09:13 AM (D2wZD)
Yup. That's the thing, HL could just say screw it and drop health coverage altogether. I bet the fines for that are cheaper than the coverage is.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 01:06 PM (VtjlW)
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There have been companies on FoxBusiness, saying that that is exactly what they're going to do.
They ran the numbers and figured that it would be cheaper to just pay the fines.
But the thing is...Hobby Lobby is such a nice company, they figure that it is their duty to provide good health coverage for their employees.
So it would be a gutwrenching thing for them to stop that.
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 09:13 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 09:13 AM (uaJ2E)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 09:13 AM (VtjlW)
Yup. That's the thing, HL could just say screw it and drop health coverage altogether. I bet the fines for that are cheaper than the coverage is.
I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around a potential $1.3M fine per fuckin' day???
In what alternate dimension does that make sense?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 28, 2012 09:14 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:14 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Stacy M at December 28, 2012 09:14 AM (jJMNa)
Obama is forcing the nation down to his shitty East Bloc standards. It's a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 28, 2012 09:15 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:16 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 09:16 AM (qpM85)
Posted by: AnnaS at December 28, 2012 09:16 AM (hyIbd)
In what alternate dimension does that make sense?
Posted by: Backward Boy who did not vote for this shit. at December 28, 2012 01:14 PM (yiIja)
Challenging Liberal Dogma is the worst offense of which they can conceive. They would have gone for the death penalty if they thought they could get away with it.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 09:16 AM (bb5+k)
I'm so proud.
Heard the story on the car radio yesterday and laughed so hard I nearly ran off the road.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:16 AM (UOM48)
? Will you make me an allergy free cat with floppy ears and a waggy tail?
I think that would possibly be the cutest thing this side of a baby hedgehog.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:16 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Reality check at December 28, 2012 09:17 AM (1d6WV)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 12:37 PM (4df7R)
The owner of HL took over the closed Bradford College here in my neck of the woods and restored the crumbling buildings. It's now Zion Bible College, a place that fosters missionaries and evangelization. Protestants, so not my cup of tea, but good neighbors. Think I'll pop over to the dean's house this weekend and wish him well.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2012 09:18 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:18 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:18 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Kim Jong Dead at December 28, 2012 01:12 PM (Y6HTt)
HUGE Rabbits with Teeth.. that...
Posted by: They call me.... Tim? at December 28, 2012 09:18 AM (lZBBB)
What Mao needed guns to accomplish, Obama will do with lawyers
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 09:18 AM (TBTjX)
Posted by: Stacy M at December 28, 2012 01:14 PM (jJMNa)
Because the left hates the Citizens United verdict, thus that line of reasoning would go nowhere in the left-leaning SCOTUS. Not because it's incorrect, but because they'll block up their ears and refuse to hear it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:18 AM (4df7R)
Serious question about the O-Care Law:
Could a company just give their employees a 'healthcare allowance' to use to purchase their own health insurance?
Would this satisfy the requirement to "provide" healthcare coverage?
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 09:19 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Reality check at December 28, 2012 01:17 PM (1d6WV)
Talk to the manufacturers and FDA who label it as such.
Posted by: polynikes at December 28, 2012 09:19 AM (m2CN7)
#48, I agree with you completely. It is nice to find another correctly-thinking person in the bastion of right-wing hate and racism.
Clearly this company is run by Christian dominionists who have no intention of cooperating with the multicultural wisdom of our beloved President, Barack Obama, who all correctly-thinking Americans support completely as he begins four more years of ending this nation's out of control greed and warmongering.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at December 28, 2012 09:19 AM (jCQ+I)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2012 09:19 AM (GFM2b)
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Hey--thanks for the heads up--so to speak .
Off to go check it out. Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:19 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 09:19 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2012 09:20 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 28, 2012 09:20 AM (lD8ju)
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 09:20 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Parker at December 28, 2012 01:12 PM (YkW3i)
LOL, They should have an adult pinewood derby. It was a lot of fun. I think they have them at the neighbor's house down the street every other week. I haven't figured out why they wear masks, though.
Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 09:20 AM (L9Mr/)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:20 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 01:19 PM (K4wCe)
that then becomes Taxable compensation... which is a FEATURE, not a Bug...
anything to get more Taxes...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2012 09:20 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 28, 2012 12:46 PM (Y6HTt)
OMG! Don't open the link!
They have a whole section on AirSoft weaponry!
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 28, 2012 09:21 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:22 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2012 09:22 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:22 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Natan Sharansky at December 28, 2012 09:23 AM (UhXzR)
Or--Kagan's.
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:22 PM (r2PLg)
Why limit ourselves? Spray the whole SCOTUS bench. The smart ones will duck.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:23 AM (4df7R)
We did one at work as a team building exercise. I was accused by some of cheating, since the rules didn't state where the starter mechanism had to align with the car (front, middle or back). So I put the weight to the front and a slot in the middle of the car that engaged with the starting mechanism. That way the car would start ahead of all the others by a couple of inches. The idea worked fine on the slope but when it hit the flat and I hadn't built as much momentum for that section. I didn't win but at least I stirred up some fun.
Posted by: Kim Jong Dead at December 28, 2012 09:23 AM (Y6HTt)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:23 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 09:23 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 28, 2012 09:23 AM (OOL+m)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 09:24 AM (VtjlW)
Liquid Ass?
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:23 PM (r2PLg)
Sounds like a Spencer's Gifts kind of thing.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: HHR Senator AuthorLMendez, El Patron at December 28, 2012 09:24 AM (yAor6)
Yeah but Ace, Hobby Lobby's intentions are not good, but the evil of the evilest because they're not facilitating the supreme right of all womankind in the way dictated by the keepers of all moral high ground.
So no, they don't get a pass. And no, we don't get to determine what intentions are "good". That is determined by the people whose morality reigns. (how dare you try to push your morality on anyone, don't you know that's their job).
Posted by: rockhead at December 28, 2012 09:25 AM (jtTKf)
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2012 09:25 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 01:23 PM (VtjlW)
Really? Had not heard that wrinkle...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2012 09:25 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Judd Hurts at December 28, 2012 09:26 AM (x9s9/)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:22 PM (l86i3)
Me included. There's one here in town, and over the years, they've taken a good bit of my money.
I was unaware of the owner's philosophical viewpoints until recently.
Hobby Lobby will continue taking a good bit of my money.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 28, 2012 09:26 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 09:26 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:26 AM (UOM48)
They have a whole section on AirSoft weaponry!
High capacity semi-automatic and military spec, no doubt. Designed for killing.
Posted by: An MSM Expert in the Field of High Capacity, Military Spec and Semi-Automatic at December 28, 2012 09:26 AM (QKKT0)
For the moron trapped in an IKEA store, do they have a Barry Obama Oval Office line of furniture? Because that's what the Oval looks like now. A damned IKEA showroom.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 01:06 PM (UOM4
Except you can't put your feet on the IKEA furniture. It shows disrespect.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 28, 2012 09:27 AM (4u2LN)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 28, 2012 09:27 AM (3x3F6)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:27 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Cold snowy @ss at December 28, 2012 09:27 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 01:24 PM (VtjlW)
"What's your hobby, miss?"
"Ass."
"...I'm... Sorry, what did you say?"
"Ass. My hobby is ass. Liquid Ass, to be specific."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:28 AM (4df7R)
213So what is more powerful, liquid ass or Deer urine?
Coyote piss is the most potent I've used.
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2012 09:29 AM (OlN4e)
The skunk scent that trappers (used to?) use.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 28, 2012 09:29 AM (Y6HTt)
Posted by: Cold snowy @ss at December 28, 2012 01:27 PM (UhXzR)
They're not done building them yet. Everytime they get one set up, it gets burned down in another western wildfire.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:29 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: An MSM Expert in the Field of High Capacity, Military Spec and Semi-Automatic at December 28, 2012 01:26 PM (QKKT0)
Absolutely. Two of the models would accept foam rubber bayonets!
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 28, 2012 09:29 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:23 PM (r2PLg)
Check out our coupons in your local Sunday newspaper.
Posted by: Smeg-Mart at December 28, 2012 09:29 AM (QKKT0)
197...IIRC, the employer's share of health insurance payments is now going to be included as compensation and thus taxable.
That's what I thought.
So maybe a solution for Hobby Lobby...is to just give their employees the actual cash value of the benefit, and let them purchase their own health insurance?
Question is...would that satisfy the O-Care Law?
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 09:30 AM (K4wCe)
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at December 28, 2012 09:30 AM (5piqN)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 28, 2012 09:30 AM (OOL+m)
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 09:31 AM (TULs6)
474M dollar fine for a year....just for challenging the leftist holy grail. 400M + dollars that could be spent on employee benefits, on expanding the company, keeping debt in check.
Posted by: crowsting at December 28, 2012 09:31 AM (61BD9)
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 28, 2012 09:31 AM (6n5yR)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:31 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2012 09:31 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2012 09:32 AM (IvVLN)
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 28, 2012 09:32 AM (D2wZD)
You guys are a bunch of pussies for letting them push you this far.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2012 09:32 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Nancy Giles at December 28, 2012 09:32 AM (cv5Iw)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:32 AM (l86i3)
I know this is a stupid question, but I'm stilled all goofed up onpain meds, but why can't Hobby Lobby get an exemption like all those others did?
Because 1) they're evil backwards Christians and 2) they didn't pay bribes to the correct people
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 28, 2012 09:33 AM (3x3F6)
Bless your heart. No, seriously....bless your heart. (Did you bring enough to share with the class?)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:33 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 09:33 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 09:33 AM (r2PLg)
If it's anything like fox urine, it can't be good. I mean it's so "good" that it's gawd-awful bad.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 28, 2012 09:33 AM (eHIJJ)
You guys are a bunch of pussies for letting them push you this far.
We're such pussies I think we're gonna let them push us much further. The question is if there is any limit at all.
Posted by: Entropy at December 28, 2012 09:34 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2012 09:34 AM (IvVLN)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 01:33 PM (UOM4
heh.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 28, 2012 09:34 AM (QKKT0)
I go to Hobby Lobby build a drone with the balsa or what not.
Load it with--
Liquid Ass and then dive bomb ---
Piers Morgan with it.
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:31 PM (r2PLg
Why stop there? Hit everyone at MSDNC next....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:35 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Lord Commander of the Ampersand Army at December 28, 2012 09:35 AM (GBXon)
192...Hobby Lobby is the real deal. They bring happiness to many.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:22 PM (l86i3)
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Yeah, they really are the real deal.
I read an article about them, over a decade ago...about their missionary work.
They go to third world shitholes and help villages come up with a 'craft' to sell...and then often carry those products in their stores, as well as help those villages market their products worldwide.
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 09:36 AM (K4wCe)
Hobby Lobby has a huuuge Christmas decoration section. Probably everything is on sale now.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 28, 2012 09:37 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 09:37 AM (VtjlW)
http://tinyurl.com/d5gdj6r
Good grief. They're so cute it's painful.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 09:37 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Kathleen "Jean" Sibelius at December 28, 2012 09:37 AM (DrC22)
I know this is a stupid question, but I'm stilled all goofed up onpain meds, but why can't Hobby Lobby get an exemption like all those others did?
It's too bad that the unequal application of a law that everybody is supposed to obey isn't a disqualifier for OCare. I'd like to hear the Official Explanation for why all the other thousands of organizations were able to get a waiver and HL couldn't (assuming that they did apply for one, that is).
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 28, 2012 09:38 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 01:36 PM (K4wCe) [/i]
You mean they don't just GIVE money to poor people? They actually show them how to be self-sustaining, and then give them an outlet to market their wares? What the FUCK is wrong with these people!
I bet they beat the natives over the head with a huge Bible bound in human skin while they do it, too!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at December 28, 2012 09:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2012 09:38 AM (wwsoB)
OMG Globalist Christian Imperialist Capitalists! They must be stopped for their anti-revolutionary treason!!!
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 09:40 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 09:40 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: nip at December 28, 2012 09:40 AM (11Tdq)
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2012 09:41 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: shibumi at December 28, 2012 09:42 AM (z63Tr)
Worst smell in the world is rotting raw chicken that will haunt me for the rest of my life. Lazy fraternity brothers did not dump out the unused chickens from an ice chest days after our charity chicken BBQ.
To my great regret, I opened the ice chest. Post Traumatic Raw Chicken Syndrome. I'm thinking of applying for SSDI.
Posted by: polynikes at December 28, 2012 09:47 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2012 09:48 AM (zF6Iw)
I thought you tied in to the nuke plant?
Nah, she's got a minion on a stationary bicycle providing electric power when needed.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 28, 2012 09:50 AM (3x3F6)
Posted by: Observer at December 28, 2012 09:50 AM (/sohm)
Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at December 28, 2012 11:09 AM (Ea64Y)
119 I picked up some nices sheets of copper while I was there. Guess what I'm making? Heh. heh. heh... Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 12:58 PM (0Tt2x)
A shotgun condenser?
Posted by: Hamilton Burger at December 28, 2012 11:15 AM (2lhPQ)
Posted by: BlueStateRepub at December 28, 2012 12:02 PM (7ObY1)
A. Hitchcock
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 28, 2012 12:11 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: small town girl at December 28, 2012 12:33 PM (YLiN/)
Posted by: Robert at December 28, 2012 02:15 PM (5f8oG)
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"For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul?"
There will be an accounting one day. Who do you think will be measured and found wanting?
Posted by: mama winger at December 28, 2012 03:25 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: The Lightworker at December 28, 2012 03:56 PM (+VZoO)
Abortion isn't just a political issue; it can also be a religious one. In which case, forcing employers to pay for abortion-causing drugs violates their freedom and practice of religion, a Constitutional right.
If you agree, make your voice heard and exempt companies like Hobby Lobby from the healthcare mandate.
Posted by: Nick Miller at January 03, 2013 09:19 PM (mWACd)
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