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June 28, 2012

House Finds Attorney General Holder In Contempt
— DrewM

255 Yes, 67 No, 1 Present. 17 Democrats voted yes, so bi-partisanship.

Thursday's vote marked the culmination of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee's push to hold the government accountable for the failings of Fast and Furious, a scheme which oversaw the sale of firearms to Mexican drug cartels, though the majority of the weapons went missing.
The committee opened an investigation into the operation to determine what the government knew and when, especially in light of a Feb. 4, 2011 letter, which the Justice Department later retracted. The letter incorrectly stated that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives "makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico."
The Justice Department refused to hand over many of the documents subpoenaed by the committee citing internal deliberations contained in the materials. President Barack Obama backed the decision and personally exerted executive privilege over the documents last week.

The Democrats staged a walk out. From WI and IN to the House of Representatives, when Democrats don't get their way they walk away like spoiled little brats.

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1

Ahh, much better.

It's like a whole new world.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 01:06 PM (UaxA0)

2 Let freedom ring.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:06 PM (caAEA)

3 good.

Posted by: NewBrunswicker at June 28, 2012 01:07 PM (XBxRP)

4 *cries*

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:07 PM (caAEA)

5 call out the repub's! The vote tallies were 255 yeas, 67 nays, and one present, and 110 Congressmen did not vote. The vote fell largely along party lines, with 17 Democrats voting yea and two Republicans--Scott Rigell (VA-2) and Steven C. LaTourette (OH-14) voting nay. The Congressional Black Caucus, as promised, walked out of the vote.

Posted by: eat chocolate at June 28, 2012 01:07 PM (HOOye)

6 It's old.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 01:08 PM (9Q7Nu)

7 So, what happens next with Holder?

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at June 28, 2012 01:08 PM (PqxmY)

8 Liberals are racist.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:08 PM (UK9cE)

9 A hell of a lot more bipartisan than Obambicare.

Posted by: RoadRunner at June 28, 2012 01:08 PM (RMN93)

The Democrats staged a walk out. From WI and IN to the House of Representatives, when Democrats don't get their way they walk away like spoiled little brats.

***

The "-D" after their titles is for Drama Queen.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 01:08 PM (jm/9g)

11 Granny Pelosi was holding hands with one of the walkers. I honestly believe she was a tad drunk during her rant on the floor.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 01:08 PM (UOM48)

12 And, like I said before, now we get to find out if the US Attorney for DC will actually enforce a contempt of Congress charge.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (RD7QR)

13 Democracy died today, or something. At least, it smells like it died.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (QupBk)

14 I wasn't getting a whole lot of zen out of that last thread. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (QKKT0)

Democrats don't get their way they walk away like spoiled little brats.

They should try holding their breathe until they get their way.

Posted by: Little kid in the Checkout Line at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (Xexl+)

16 Some republicans voted against this?

Posted by: RoadRunner at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (RMN93)

17 Next, repeal ObamaTax Then, Elect Romney POTUS or whichever comes first chicken and egg thing to me then, life is much, much sweeter.

Posted by: eat chocolate at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (HOOye)

18 I mean, I know what I would LIKE to see happen to him but... What actually is the next step?

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (PqxmY)

The Democrats staged a walk out. From WI and IN to the House of Representatives, when Democrats don't get their way they walk away like spoiled little brats.

------

They need to be more careful with that. That's how the Bolsheviks took over. You'd think they'd know that.

Posted by: Anachronda at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (NmR1a)

20 Andrea Saul reports $2,000,000 raised since the ruling.

Posted by: Bob from Virginia at June 28, 2012 01:09 PM (SBjsJ)

21 >> The Democrats staged a walk out.

I enjoy stunts like that. Even better would be if they had handcuffed themselves to a podium, or maybe climbed up a tree and refused to come down.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (k0pNf)

22 Twitchy's running commentary was funny.

Posted by: Mama AJ on phone at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (SUKHu)

23 13 Democracy died today, or something. At least, it smells like it died.

Posted by: toby928Â© at June 28, 2012 05:09 PM (QupBk)

It's the puffin. Just air out the burrow.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (RD7QR)

24 Chairman Issa speaking now.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (d6QMz)

25 12 And, like I said before, now we get to find out if the US Attorney for DC will actually enforce a contempt of Congress charge. Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 28, 2012 05:09 PM (RD7QR) - ah, that's right, it's all in his lap, poor sap

Posted by: eat chocolate at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (HOOye)

Granny Pelosi was holding hands with one of the walkers. I honestly believe she was a tad drunk during her rant on the floor.

___

Probably in the throes of a mini-stroke. No shit, the "tox" in botox comes from the word toxin. That shit is lethal over time.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (jm/9g)

27 Like I care. Barack'll pardon me on the way out the door.

Posted by: Eric Helder-in-contemt at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (SAYgH)

28 I mean, I know what I would LIKE to see happen to him but... What actually is the next step?

Constitutionally speaking, the Sergeant-at-Arms hits him over the head with a rolled up newspaper.

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (QKKT0)

29 Bob Beckel's momma dropped him on his head when he was a baby. It's the only explanation for his stupidity.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (UOM48)

30 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS CALLS OBAMA A LIAR:
Obama: It's not a tax. Roberts: It is a tax.

CONGRESS CALLS HOLDER A LIAR:
Actually, the whole thinking world calls Holder a liar...

Posted by: RoadRunner at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (RMN93)

31 A hell of a lot more bipartisan than Obambicare.

Posted by: RoadRunner at June 28, 2012 05:08 PM (RMN93)

I think the greatest thing about OclusterfuckCare is that it was designed to cover the 10 to 12% of Americans that don't have insurance. It turns out that it only covers 2 to 4 % of those.

BRILLIANT!!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:10 PM (UK9cE)

32 He has filed an appeal and I rule contempt is really a tax and is within the AG implied powers of office, based on penumbras and emanations of the 8th amendment.

Therefore he gets 4 more years in office.

And a puffin burger

Posted by: Scummy Dread Lord Judge Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 01:11 PM (YdQQY)

33 Not spoiled little brats; spoiled little *bitches*.

Posted by: JASmius at June 28, 2012 01:11 PM (uZCiN)

34 Where is Rep West? He should have asked for speaking time to expose the Black walkout as a racist democrat move.

I think a point of personal privilege would have gotten him the floor.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 01:11 PM (KZI7g)

35 20 Andrea Saul reports $2,000,000 raised since the ruling. Posted by: Bob from Virginia at June 28, 2012 05:09 PM (SBjsJ) ====== not enough add another 0 or two to it, then maybe that helps

Posted by: eat chocolate at June 28, 2012 01:11 PM (HOOye)

36 What happens next, via Wiki (yeah, I know):

Following a contempt citation, the presiding officer of the chamber is instructed to refer the matter to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia;^[9] according to the law it is the "duty" of the U.S. Attorney to refer the matter to a grand jury for action.

The criminal offense of "contempt of Congress" sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $1,000.^[10]

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 28, 2012 01:11 PM (RD7QR)

37 Who cares. Nothing will come of it.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 01:12 PM (N2yhW)

38 @29

I agree, that or he ate a lot of lead paint as a child. It made him fat.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 01:12 PM (KZI7g)

Every member of the Congressional Black Caucus that walked out on this vote should be forced to look at pictures of the bodies of the Agent Terry and the over 200 dead Mexicans (who, I guess, aren't quite brown enough) and then ask each and every one of them whether their black solidarity with a corrupt, incompetent, arrogant tool like Holder is worth the deaths of these, their fellow human beings and one fellow American. Betcha they'd answer "oh hell yeah - we be black first."

Posted by: Natasha at June 28, 2012 01:12 PM (jU5uf)

40 >>they walk away like spoiled little brats<< They should be retrieved, Planet-of-the-Apes-style, with those crazy neck-collar-pole things. Pelosi, netted by two armed gorillas on horseback. Be still, my beating heart.

Posted by: General Zod at June 28, 2012 01:12 PM (2+bRt)

Barack'll pardon me on the way out ~~the~~ of my backdoor.

Posted by: fixxed at June 28, 2012 01:12 PM (Xexl+)

42 The Democrats staged a walk out.

We should make them wear an EZPass and make them pay a tax when they leave the chamber. Wait, is that a toll? Is there a difference? Who cares. It's all legal!

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 01:12 PM (6TB1Z)

43 I think the greatest thing about OclusterfuckCare is that it was designed to cover the 10 to 12% of Americans that don't have insurance. It turns out that it only covers 2 to 4 % of those. BRILLIANT!!!!! Posted by: Â© Sponge at June 28, 2012 05:10 PM (UK9cE) ====== and, if the states reject the medicaid expansion, much less

Posted by: eat chocolate at June 28, 2012 01:13 PM (HOOye)

"Steven C. LaTourette (OH-14) "

FUCK!

Posted by: reason at June 28, 2012 01:13 PM (CGjum)

45 SO much more Zen than that last thread...

Posted by: rob at June 28, 2012 01:13 PM (XOtYi)

46 Yeah, I'm still smarting over that whole "destruction of the american healthcare system" thing. LOL, I'm such a wingnut! At least Roberts called the mandate a tax, so we still secretly win, somehow. Can't wait till they "fix" ACA with single payer, baby!

Posted by: Max Power at June 28, 2012 01:13 PM (q177U)

47 Oh, Bob, braces when out 20 years ago.

Wearing them just proves you can not get a belt around your fat ass.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 01:13 PM (KZI7g)

48 Isn't there a ~~torture dungeon~~ holding cell in the House of Representatives? The SAA can just give Holder the old bonk bonk on the head and stuff him in there. Easy Peasy.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 01:14 PM (QupBk)

49 Every member of the Congressional Black Caucus that walked out on this vote should be forced to look at pictures of the bodies of the Agent Terry and the over 200 dead Mexicans (who, I guess, aren't quite brown enough) and then ask each and every one of them whether their black solidarity with a corrupt, incompetent, arrogant tool like Holder is worth the deaths of these, their fellow human beings and one fellow American. Betcha they'd answer "oh hell yeah - we be black first."

Posted by: Natasha at June 28, 2012 05:12 PM (jU5uf)

Why would you think this would bother them?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:14 PM (z1N6a)

50 I really don't give a shit about Holder. I'm starting to wonder why I care so much about the direction of this country. I think maybe I'd be happier if I just stopped caring about politics. I'm sure this feeling will pass...

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:14 PM (caAEA)

51 Walkers out disenfranchised their constituents.

Posted by: DM at June 28, 2012 01:14 PM (asK13)

Bob Beckel's ... explanation for his stupidity.

Late stages of Syphilis?

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 01:14 PM (Xexl+)

53 Even better would be if they had handcuffed themselves to a podium, or maybe climbed up a tree and refused to come down.

Gasoline, matches, some assembly required.

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 01:15 PM (6TB1Z)

54 Where is Rep West? He should have asked for speaking time to expose the Black walkout as a racist democrat move.

I think a point of personal privilege would have gotten him the floor.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 05:11 PM (KZI7g)

--------------------------------------------

Alan West was on twitter ripping the CBC. Saying they voted for Holder based on his Skin color.

Posted by: William Amos at June 28, 2012 01:15 PM (UgnFs)

55 That ratio is only "bi-partisan" if Dems are in the majority.

The news tonight will report this vote being "mainly along partisan lines" .

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2012 01:15 PM (f9c2L)

56 I had a bad feeling when I saw the house scheduled this vote today. My first thought was 'Boehner wants it lost in the news because they will not find him in contempt'. Now I wonder if Boehner knew in advance what SCOTUS would rule and wanted this done today to hit Obama while he tries to celebrate.

Posted by: blindside at June 28, 2012 01:15 PM (x7g7t)

57 49 Every member of the Congressional Black Caucus that walked out on this vote should be forced to look at pictures of the bodies of the Agent Terry and the over 200 dead Mexicans - just toss them over the border

Posted by: eat chocolate at June 28, 2012 01:15 PM (HOOye)

58 @49

We don't give a shit about White Hispanics.

Got that?

Posted by: CBC at June 28, 2012 01:15 PM (KZI7g)

59 52
Bob Beckel's ... explanation for his stupidity.

Late stages of Syphilis?

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 05:14 PM (Xexl+)

Early stages of leftism.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 28, 2012 01:15 PM (RD7QR)

60 C-SPAN

Holder's Response

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:15 PM (BAnPT)

61 Awaitng CJ Roberts' ruling that "contempt" really means "fluffy bunny hug."

Posted by: Natasha at June 28, 2012 01:16 PM (jU5uf)

62 Texas Dems fled the state too once to avoid a vote. Seems like a popular tactic.

Posted by: california red at June 28, 2012 01:16 PM (xC7pk)

63 27 Don't you have to be found guilty to be pardoned? I mean could he parden Holder prior to a conviction?

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 01:16 PM (O/fK8)

64 Fortune just ran a huge "investigative reporting" article that concluded FF was much ado about nothing and no one important was involved in the non-important events that happened. It's long and goes after Issa. Hmm...

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 01:16 PM (X/+QT)

65 Fuckers are still gloating in FB an Twitter about this morning.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 01:17 PM (kSaUf)

66 @53

Good, but then he wasn't on the floor.

No electronic shit is allowed on the House floor.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 01:17 PM (KZI7g)

So, what happens next with Holder?

I'm going to Disney World!

Posted by: Eric "Cock" Holder at June 28, 2012 01:17 PM (d0Tfm)

68 For decency sake clean up needed last post #568.

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 01:17 PM (ucs8Y)

69 It is not racist for Holder to White Wash himself and smell the grease paint before the roar of the crowd.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:17 PM (BAnPT)

70
60 C-SPAN

Holder's Response

Why in hell would I be even remotely interested in what that lying sack of shit is babbling?

Posted by: RoadRunner at June 28, 2012 01:17 PM (RMN93)

71 >> I mean could he parden Holder prior to a conviction?

Sure. He can do whatever he wants. We'll allow it.

Posted by: Justice Roberts at June 28, 2012 01:17 PM (k0pNf)

72 Next move: Holder appeals to SCOTUS that he can't be found in contempt when EP is claimed. And Roberts stabs us again by saying these documents are covered by EP - because he knows this would look partisan or some shit. Thus F&F investigation is topped dead in it's tracks and no one ever finds out what happens or who ok'd it.

Posted by: blindside at June 28, 2012 01:17 PM (x7g7t)

73 I don't mind them leaving, makes the margin look better.

Leave more often.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (z1N6a)

74
And of course, the pinko cockholsters at yahoo news headlined it as a "party-line vote".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (TIIx5)

75 65 Fuckers are still gloating in FB an Twitter about this morning.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 05:17 PM (kSaUf)

Let' em. we would too if we had won. Less than a 100 days tell they will be feeling the tears of defeat.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (KZI7g)

76 >>Walkers out disenfranchised their constituents.

Most of whom will vote for them anyway.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (/kI1Q)

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (YdQQY)

what the hell does it matter?

do any of you seriously believe that anything will be done to Holder?

it's a show designed to distract you... and apparently it's working.

Posted by: Shoey at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (jdOk/)

79 from hotair but the obvious problem here is that Holder is the head of the DOJ. The House is now getting set to vote on whether to hold Holder in civil contempt, so the Oversight Committee can hire their own lawyers to file a civil lawsuit to prosecute the attorney general. Another update to followÂ…

Posted by: eat chocolate at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (HOOye)

80 just toss them into the shark tank at the Nat'l Aquarium and charge double for admission that day ~~over the border~~.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (Xexl+)

81 With the CBC gone, the House looks like the MSNBC lineup.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 01:18 PM (QupBk)

82 Don't you have to be found guilty to be pardoned? I mean could he parden Holder prior to a conviction?

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 05:16 PM (O/fK

Nixon was.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (z1N6a)

83 Holder: I SEEK JUSTICE.
I will not be deterred from further PROGRESS.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (BAnPT)

84 Sweet.

Posted by: Greg Q at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (4Pleu)

85 "Steven C. LaTourette (OH-14) "

Bob Saget has no comment.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (SDkq3)

86 Its a gesture, and I think its the beginnings of a larger strategy to start picking away at the Cosby Sweater that is the Obama Administration. BHO is praying he get's reelected, if not, he fucking well should be becuase if he doesn't alot of his cronies are going to end up in jail when the truth about what he's been up to the last 3 or so years comes out. Mittens will pardon Obama, but alot of his underlings won't be so fortunate I think.

Posted by: IgnatiusHood at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (llptT)

87 Okay, yes, leaders in Washington really need a lecture from you Holder. You would know crass.

Posted by: no good deed at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (0lYad)

88 A pardon can be issued in advance. Nixon's was.

In fact he can get a blanket pardon for all actions. The Presidential pardon power just about has no limits. Clinton proved that.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (YdQQY)

89 @77

Vic. He is always to the point!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (KZI7g)

90 OT According to Drudge, House will vote on repeal of ObamaTax on July 9th. While this is symbolic, I like it. Make them own this tax. Shove it down their throats until election day and always use the word Tax.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (GvYeG)

Republicans should form a Congressional Human Caucus in response to the action of the Congressional Black Caucus today.

Maybe wait until after the election though. The name might be misunderstood.

Posted by: Doug S at June 28, 2012 01:19 PM (bGgEi)

92 not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $1,000.[10] Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 28, 2012 05:11 PM (RD7QR) You mean a tax of 100-1000, right?

Posted by: blindside at June 28, 2012 01:20 PM (x7g7t)

93 Great comment on cnn.com: "I have not seen this story on CNN before."

Posted by: SFGoth at June 28, 2012 01:20 PM (dZ756)

94 @88

You damn right, and you can buy them!

Posted by: Marc Rich at June 28, 2012 01:20 PM (KZI7g)

95 Finally! Of course with our system, nothing happens to him. But if it was you or me, our lives would be destroyed.

Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2012 01:21 PM (9221z)

96 Holder can go to jail, or--

PAY THE TAX

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 01:21 PM (MMC8r)

97 A Congressional Human Caucus is not a tax and is therefore not allowed.

Posted by: Scummy Dread Lord Judge Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 01:21 PM (YdQQY)

98 Here's hoping Issa already has the goods on Holder. I have a feeling he does...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at June 28, 2012 01:21 PM (ZHge+)

99 Criminal Contempt of Congress
An UNPRECEDENTED unnecessary court conflict will ensue. -- Holder

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:21 PM (BAnPT)

100 255 Yes, 67 No,
& 1 dumb-ass who couldn't even find the door when the rest of the titty suckers walked out....

Posted by: colt 45 at June 28, 2012 01:21 PM (6uUEk)

101 not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine
of not less than $100 nor more than $1,000.[10]
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at June 28, 2012 05:11 PM (RD7QR)

You mean a tax of 100-1000, right?

Posted by: blindside at June 28, 2012 05:20 PM (x7g7t)

You can't pardon someone for Taxes.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:21 PM (z1N6a)

102 Republicans should form a CongressionalHuman Caucus in response to the action of the Congressional Black Caucus today.
Maybe wait until after the election though. The name might be misunderstood.
Posted by: Doug S at June 28, 2012 05:19 PM (bGgEi)

Call it the Congressional Unification Caucus or the Congressional Diversity Caucus and have any member but the CBC.

Is that racist?

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:21 PM (UK9cE)

103 Thanks Oldcat.

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 01:22 PM (O/fK8)

104

63 -

Ford pardoned Nixon, who had never been convicted of anything.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2012 01:22 PM (TOk1P)

105 Did the CBC only walk about half of the way out, since Holder has hardly that much Black melatonin in him anyways...? Racists.

Posted by: ChampionCapua at June 28, 2012 01:22 PM (KZi9D)

106 it's a show designed to distract you... --- From what, the slow collapse of America? I'm seriously starting to wonder what kind of country we are trying to save. I mean, look around guys. It's not like what happened today was an aberration. We are losing a lot of the important battles. I'm starting to take a good, hard look at who we are going to be replacing Obama with. Why the fuck should I be happy about Romney? We all know he will be just like Bush. Look where that got us today. I don't know if there is anything we can ever do to take the country back. Maybe we lost a long time ago and haven't realized it yet.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:22 PM (caAEA)

107 The CSPAN music that is playing on the live feed is odd for the vote being taken. I mean really? Classical? It just sounds way too whimsical...

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 01:22 PM (M1gmo)

108 Holder: I SEEK JUSTICE.
I will not be deterred from further PROGRESS.

----

If I have to kill every white Hispanic in Mexico.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 01:22 PM (Hx5uv)

109 I think the contempt vote has an additional effect, if I recall the hearing from months ago. The missing 95% of the requested documents become subject to discovery. Harder for them to refuse to turn them over.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 28, 2012 01:22 PM (Ku0Zr)

110 Democracy died today, or something. At least, it smells like it died.

Smells like a hamster.

Posted by: eleven at June 28, 2012 01:23 PM (KXm42)

111 Good thing they scheduled the ACA ruling to overshadow this.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls? at June 28, 2012 01:23 PM (NVO/f)

112 Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 05:22 PM (M1gmo) Agree, put some Black Album Metallica on that shit.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 01:23 PM (UZQM8)

113 Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 05:22 PM (M1gmo) Master of Puppets would be appropriate don't you think?

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 01:24 PM (UZQM8)

114 111 Democracy died today, or something. At least, it smells like it died.

Smells like a hamster.

Smells like teen spirit..

Sorry, I'm just loopy today from banging my head on the desk...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at June 28, 2012 01:24 PM (ZHge+)

115 Dem 'yay' votes:

Altmire, Barrow, Boren, Boswell, Chandler, Critz, Donnelly (IN), Hochul, Kind, Kissell, Matheson, McIntyre, Owens, Peterson, Rahall, Ross (AR), Walz (MN)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:24 PM (piMMO)

116 From what, the slow collapse of America? I'm seriously starting to wonder what kind of country we are trying to save. I mean, look around guys. It's not like what happened today was an aberration. We are losing a lot of the important battles. I'm starting to take a good, hard look at who we are going to be replacing Obama with. Why the fuck should I be happy about Romney? We all know he will be just like Bush. Look where that got us today.

I don't know if there is anything we can ever do to take the country back. Maybe we lost a long time ago and haven't realized it yet.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:22 PM (caAEA)

I'm sure whining in a blog post comment section will fix it right up.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:24 PM (z1N6a)

117 We have RINOs and DINOs. Now, welcome to AINO: America In Name Only.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:24 PM (caAEA)

118 Ford pardoned Nixon, who had never been convicted of anything. Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2012 05:22 PM (TOk1P) How does that work? 'I Barky Jugears McFuck do Pardon Eric 'I don't read my email' Holder of doing...'? How can you pardon someone for something they don't admit they did and they haven't been charged or convicted of? Hell, unless they are convicted, I can't see how someone can get a pardon. Nixon was a piece of crap. He's the guy that gave us the EPA. I hope his rotting corpse is burning in hell.

Posted by: blindside at June 28, 2012 01:24 PM (x7g7t)

119 Agree, put some Black Album Metallica on that shit.
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 05:23 PM (UZQM

Don't Tread on Me......

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:24 PM (UK9cE)

120 Time for a cerveza!

Stay chinless, my friends.

Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2012 01:24 PM (ZN5qR)

121 I think the classical music is appropriate. It's like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

Posted by: no good deed at June 28, 2012 01:25 PM (0lYad)

122

The missing 95% of the requested documents become subject to discovery. Harder for them to refuse to turn them over.

They're over there in the bin next to the shredder. Sorry about that.

Damned interns always screwing things up.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 28, 2012 01:25 PM (Xexl+)

123 Agree, put some Black Album Metallica on that shit.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 05:23 PM (UZQM

Hell Yes!

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 01:25 PM (M1gmo)

124 And of course, the pinko cockholsters at yahoo news headlined it as a "party-line vote".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2012 05:18 PM (TIIx5)

That site is a bad joke. I'm glad it's going out of business

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 01:25 PM (1Jaio)

125 21 >> The Democrats staged a walk out. I enjoy stunts like that. Even better would be if they had handcuffed themselves to a podium, or maybe climbed up a tree and refused to come down. Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2012 05:10 PM (k0pNf) Maybe they could stand in front of a bulldozer.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 01:26 PM (9TTOe)

126 @107 fight to the end. And I dont think we're quite there yet.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls? at June 28, 2012 01:26 PM (NVO/f)

127

Oh, who the fuck cares? Does it mean anything? Anything at all?

No! It fucking does not.

Posted by: Jack at June 28, 2012 01:26 PM (wUFaM)

128 39 Every member of the Congressional Black Caucus that walked out on this vote should be forced to look at pictures of the bodies of the Agent Terry and the over 200 dead Mexicans (who, I guess, aren't quite brown enough) and then ask each and every one of them whether their black solidarity with a corrupt, incompetent, arrogant tool like Holder is worth the deaths of these, their fellow human beings and one fellow American. Betcha they'd answer "oh hell yeah - we be black first."

Posted by: Natasha at June 28, 2012 05:12 PM (jU5uf)

Race uber alles for those worthess cunts.

Posted by: model_1066 at June 28, 2012 01:26 PM (YbQJm)

129 How can you pardon someone for something they don't admit they did and they haven't been charged or convicted of? Hell, unless they are convicted, I can't see how someone can get a pardon.

Posted by: blindside at June 28, 2012 05:24 PM (x7g7t)

You say, " I Pardon Holder for anything connected with Fast and Furious and of Contempt of Congress"

Is that hard to understand?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:26 PM (z1N6a)

130 From what, the slow collapse of America? I'm seriously starting to wonder what kind of country we are trying to save. I mean, look around guys. It's not like what happened today was an aberration. We are losing a lot of the important battles.

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We are truly in perilous times. But it is in our hands to determine whether this is our Waterloo or our Valley Forge.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 01:26 PM (Hx5uv)

131 Joffen:
>> Maybe we lost a long time ago and haven't realized it yet.

I'd say it was the FDR presidency. We haven't recovered most of the freedom we lost back then.

But in the new media age, I think it might be possible to put our country back on track.

Posted by: Justice Roberts at June 28, 2012 01:26 PM (k0pNf)

132 I'm sure whining in a blog post comment section will fix it right up. --- That's fair. But what else can I do at this point? Where is the America that I read about in history? Where is the America of the Revolution? Are we fighting for an America as it is or an America that doesn't exist anymore?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:26 PM (caAEA)

133 Pardon shmardon, just give him an indulgence.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 01:27 PM (Hx5uv)

134 So,the CBC is just as classy as......

The MSM always used to wax rhapsodic about John Lewis and his "role as a leader in the Civil Rights struggles". Not that any of them could tell you exactly what that role was. He was the emblem they used to excuse every excess of the CBC.

Ever since he got caught lying out his ass about the use of racial epithets, his brand has been irretrievably tarnished so they don't really have a front man anymore.

At this point, does anyone really think of the CBC as anything but a bunch of race-mongering whores? I doubt it. Even the Dems who praise them in public.

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 01:27 PM (6TB1Z)

135 You say, " I Pardon Holder for anything connected with Fast and Furious and of Contempt of Congress" Is that hard to understand? Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 05:26 PM (z1N6a) I believe that is called a blanket pardon.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 01:27 PM (9TTOe)

136

I don't know if there is anything we can ever do to take the country back. Maybe we lost a long time ago and haven't realized it yet.

We have enemies. They told us exactly what they were going to do to us about 50 years ago. No one took them seriously and no one tried to stop them.

No one.

They won.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 01:27 PM (d0Tfm)

137 getting set to vote on whether to hold Holder in civil contempt, so the Oversight Committee can hire their own lawyers to file a civil lawsuit to prosecute the attorney general.
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And it looks like that will pass as there are not enough Dem votes left to overcome the yeas.

Fuck you, Holder. Enjoy your orange jumpsuit.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 01:27 PM (kSaUf)

138 >>Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls?

Step closer.

Posted by: Mr. Moose at June 28, 2012 01:27 PM (/kI1Q)

139 vote fluctuating figures...

200
75
2
158

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:27 PM (BAnPT)

140 For the first time, I am proud of John Barrow.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2012 01:28 PM (i5aIa)

141 So, off topic, but this one is a snoozer, this Holder thing. It will drone on and bore people, and turn some dummies who might otherwise vote with us, against us.

But if on the now slim chance that we have a President Romney after January of next year, what exactly can he do with executive orders (hey, we have precedants for that) to roll back Obamacare?

Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at June 28, 2012 01:28 PM (PH+2B)

142 How can you pardon someone for something they don't admit they did and they haven't been charged or convicted of? Hell, unless they are convicted, I can't see how someone can get a pardon. [/i[ Like this: [i]Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974.

Posted by: Gerald Ford at June 28, 2012 01:28 PM (QupBk)

143
Scott Rigell (VA-2)

Turncoat is a first termer. District is 22% Black and Obama narrowly won it in 2008.

Coincidence, I'm sure.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 01:28 PM (kdS6q)

144 So, now that he's in contempt, can we start the impeachment hearings?

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:29 PM (UK9cE)

145 Format fail

Posted by: Gerald Ford at June 28, 2012 01:29 PM (QupBk)

146 1 "present"?

Was the JEF allowed to vote in the House?

Posted by: Bruce at June 28, 2012 01:29 PM (YX6C5)

147 And of course, the pinko cockholsters at yahoo news headlined it as a "party-line vote".

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Look at the bright side. If Holder winds up in prison and Obama is implicated in numerous crimes, then Yahoo will remember this as a bipartisan vote.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 01:29 PM (Hx5uv)

148 NV 121

"not voting"?

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:29 PM (BAnPT)

149 OT... Eric Cantor is saying he is going to bring up a repeal vote in the House on July 7th.

Now if only we can get Bitch McConnell to actually amend a senate bill, any at all, to repeal O-Tax-JohnRoberts-Care, maybe we can get the retards who vote for Dem Senate Candidates in swing and conservative states to see that they still support that piece of shit legislation.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 01:29 PM (M1gmo)

150 That's fair. But what else can I do at this point? Where is the America that I read about in history? Where is the America of the Revolution? Are we fighting for an America as it is or an America that doesn't exist anymore?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:26 PM (caAEA)

Part has been eroded for some time, Part is still there. The decision didn't change any of that, except maybe wake some people up.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:30 PM (z1N6a)

151 Damn! Three more Dems found their nuts and voted 'Yay' in second electronic recording.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:30 PM (piMMO)

152 125 Agree, put some Black Album Metallica on that shit. Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 05:23 How about Ride The Lightning?

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls? at June 28, 2012 01:30 PM (NVO/f)

153 I don't know if there is anything we can ever do to take the country
back. Maybe we lost a long time ago and haven't realized it yet.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:22 PM (caAEA)

Dude. Before you go drown yourself in the slough of Despondency I'm going to prescribe for you 20mg Wellbutrin q.d., a nightly walk around the block, and maybe starting a small garden.

Remember this: America has been through worse, and not every problem has to be completely solved just this very minute.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 28, 2012 01:30 PM (pAlYe)

154 So, off topic, but this one is a snoozer, this Holder thing. It will drone on and bore people, and turn some dummies who might otherwise vote with us, against us.

But if on the now slim chance that we have a President Romney after January of next year, what exactly can he do with executive orders (hey, we have precedants for that) to roll back Obamacare?

Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at June 28, 2012 05:28 PM (PH+2B)

Give out 250 million waivers?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:30 PM (z1N6a)

155 We will regret the day we voted Romney into office, you all fucking KNOW we will. Just like Bush. We will look back on this and ask, "how could we have been so stupid?" I tried getting excited about Romney. I think I genuinely was for awhile, but...I dunno. Can someone please point to a part of America that is still...America? Where's our fighting spirit as a nation? There comes a time where it becomes painfully obvious that, even if we were to win, the thing that we're fighting for...just isn't worth it.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:30 PM (caAEA)

156 A pardon can be issued in advance. Nixon's was. In fact he can get a blanket pardon for all actions. The Presidential pardon power just about has no limits. Clinton proved that. Posted by: Vic So... can Obama pardon even though he may be part of F&F?

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 01:30 PM (ucs8Y)

157

A lib douche acquaintance of mine was telling me about how wonderful the Dems are for having the CBC...I said 'that's cute...did they get their own drinking fountain, too?' At least I thought it was funny.

Posted by: model_1066 at June 28, 2012 01:30 PM (YbQJm)

158 When their brother needed their vote, the CBC went AWOL.

History will show 255 Yes, 67 No, 1 Present
A hundred years from now students will say "it looks like he obviously deserved it."

Posted by: Frank Nitti at June 28, 2012 01:31 PM (e8kgV)

159 Saw Pelosis little rant earlier and the stupid Twit was definatly drunk. Just watch what she does with her tongue while talking

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 01:31 PM (uVuwp)

160 What a day.. I'm going home and hoist a few.. I'll be back with some really stupid comments a little later.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2012 01:31 PM (f9c2L)

161 151 NV 121 "not voting"? They have not voted as of yet.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 01:31 PM (d6QMz)

162

NWConservative at June 28, 2012 05:22 PM (M1gmo)

Ted? That you?

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 01:32 PM (UaxA0)

163 So... can Obama pardon even though he may be part of F&F? Obama can pardon himself if he wants to.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 01:32 PM (QupBk)

164 So, off topic, but this one is a snoozer, this
Holder thing. It will drone on and bore people, and turn some dummies
who might otherwise vote with us, against us.

But if on the now
slim chance that we have a President Romney after January of next year,
what exactly can he do with executive orders (hey, we have precedants
for that) to roll back Obamacare?

Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at June 28, 2012 05:28 PM (PH+2B)

Give out 250 million waivers?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 05:30 PM (z1N6a)

Issue 250 Million Presidential Pardons for non-complying with Obamacare?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:32 PM (z1N6a)

165 FOUR more Dems now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:32 PM (piMMO)

166 Maet....Paulie is back on the other thread with a new hash.

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 01:32 PM (X6akg)

167 Scott Rigell IIRC is from the Norfolk/Va Beach area--unseated Glenn Nye, but it's a traditionally GOP leaning area. He's strictly a coattails Rep--if Romney wins VA (which he will), then Rigell will get reelected.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 01:32 PM (Ec6wH)

168 Eric Holder sucks anyway. Get back to whining about health care.

Posted by: Paulie Carbone at June 28, 2012 01:32 PM (CBby7)

169 Don't you racist wingnuts know that black Attorney Generals are exempt from compliance with subpoenas issued by bow tie-wearin' white boys under the Good N Plenty Clause of the United States Constitution?

Posted by: The Congressional Black Cock-Ups at June 28, 2012 01:33 PM (QKKT0)

170 not sure if this is the right thread but this shit sandwich obamabcare ... I know the congress made sure it wouldn't apply to them, does it apply to the Supreme Court justices? If not, it damn well should and it should apply to all these bastages.

Posted by: uncle joe at June 28, 2012 01:33 PM (nfaaW)

171

So, bipartisan opposition to Obamacare and now bipartisan opposition to Holder. I wonder how this is going to play out.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 01:33 PM (rX1N2)

172 We will regret the day we voted Romney into office, you all fucking KNOW we will. Just like Bush. We will look back on this and ask, "how could we have been so stupid?"

I tried getting excited about Romney. I think I genuinely was for awhile, but...I dunno. Can someone please point to a part of America that is still...America? Where's our fighting spirit as a nation? There comes a time where it becomes painfully obvious that, even if we were to win, the thing that we're fighting for...just isn't worth it.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:30 PM (caAEA)

I don't regret voting for Bush, even with the mistakes. I don't forget that Reagan himself did some bad stuff as President.

Despair is the only mortal sin.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:33 PM (z1N6a)

173 A lib douche acquaintance of mine was telling me about how wonderful the Dems are for having the CBC...I said 'that's cute...did they get their own drinking fountain, too?' At least I thought it was funny.
Posted by: model_1066 at June 28, 2012 05:30 PM (YbQJm)

Ask them about Jim Crow laws. Good or bad? They seem to be abiding by them pretty well.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:33 PM (UK9cE)

174

"110I think the contempt vote has an additional effect, if I recall the hearing from months ago. The missing 95% of the requested documents become subject to discovery. Harder for them to refuse to turn them over."

But they will refuse.

Hoping against hope Issa has the goods on Holder. Doesn't Issa supposedly have a mole from DOJ?

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 01:33 PM (Ks0w4)

175 Amazing what a yawn this is after Obamacare. We don't even get a flaming skull for the first ever sitting AG being found in contempt of Congress.

Well it does shift the news cycle to a negative for Obama.

P.S., I think Obama's "win" today will end up being a loss as it got upheld only because it is what he swore it was not, a tax.

Since the word "tax" appears nowhere in the bill passed, how exactly did Roberts uphold it as a tax? He should have rejected it and said, "Pass it again with the word "tax" in there. As it is he basically rewrote a law.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 01:33 PM (hlUJY)

176 Joffen, yes, we lost a long time ago. But in losing to the Left, they've handed us the tools and precedents to horrifically fuck their shitty worldview. Forever. We can force them to buy Handguns, Talmuds, Torahs, and Bibles or face a punitive tax. We can choose not to allow the EPA to enforce any of their regulations or findings we do not like - and open up the entire continental US for oil exploitation. We can hunt goddamned grizzly bears and poison every single snail darter if we so choose - we just decide to ignore the Endangered Species Act in cases of "This is fucking Stupid". We can tax every abortion and every abortion mill until they close. Permanently. The CRA? Dead letter, not gonna enforce it. The unconstitutional gag on anti-abortion protesters? Dead letter. The Interior Department, the IRS, the Department of Education? We just ignore the law about the use of funds and/or personnel levels and fire 90% of the fucking parasites and return the extra operating funds to the general fund. Because we can, according to Obama. They think that they have 4 leftists on the Supreme Court? Uh-uh. Nope. We can specifically block all transfers of funds to the judicial system AND we can - by executive order - jail and execute the entire Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals - because Obama set into precedent the jailing WITHOUT CHARGES of American citizens on American soil by the sole discretion of Mitt Romney if he wins. And Obama made it happen. So, as an aside to all you Leftists reading this- you feel jolly today. You just gave us a couple of presents - a huge unforgiving rage and the tools to make you shit your pants. Forever. Sure

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 01:34 PM (5mx3x)

177 169 Maet....Paulie is back on the other thread with a new hash.

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 05:32 PM (X6akg)

Not no more he ain't.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 28, 2012 01:34 PM (pAlYe)

178 Officer killed at Fort Bragg in murder-suicide. One other soldier injured.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/06/army-fort-bragg-shooting-062812w/

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:34 PM (piMMO)

179 Saw Pelosis little rant earlier and the stupid Twit was definatly drunk. Just watch what she does with her tongue while talking
Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 05:31 PM (uVuwp)

I'm tellin ya, she's HIGH. She's medicated, but I don't think it's booze.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:34 PM (UK9cE)

180 What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and Sarah Palin's cunt? Retarded shit only came out of her cunt once.

Posted by: Paulie at June 28, 2012 01:35 PM (CBby7)

181 Obama can pardon himself if he wants to. Posted by: toby928 Well, damn. It's right up his alley though. Kind of like he made the pardon thing just for himself.

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 01:35 PM (ucs8Y)

182 162 Saw Pelosis little rant earlier and the stupid Twit was definatly drunk. Just watch what she does with her tongue while talking

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 05:31 PM (uVuwp)

No thanks...Pelosi's tongue has probably been places I don't want to know about.

Posted by: model_1066 at June 28, 2012 01:35 PM (YbQJm)

183 IT DOES NOT MATTER IF HE'S PARDONED. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF HE'S NOT PUNISHED. WE STILL NEED TO EXPOSE THE FACTS AND MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS. If you let horrible shit pass without comment, you will have NOTHING BUT HORRIBLE SHIT, like for example giving weapons to terrorists in an allied country with the full expectation that they will be used to murder. Because that's what they did. I am just aghast at the stupidity and deliberate ignorance of people who don't get that. The people behind this are absolutely toxic people. A lot of people don't know it, and that has to be fixed, it may be the only way of even slowing their crimes down.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 01:35 PM (bxiXv)

184 H.Res. 706 passed 258-95 with 5Ds voting present. 21Ds voted aye. (Text- http://1.usa.gov/KGmxHV)

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 01:35 PM (d6QMz)

185 Please don't make me change IP addresses. That takes a whole twenty seconds.

Posted by: Paulie at June 28, 2012 01:35 PM (CBby7)

186 (hug) joffen, we just keep moving forward the best that we have an ability to do. it's a bad day. it is a bad day. keep moving forward.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 01:35 PM (TomZ9)

187

It isn't much of a shock that Holder was voted in contempt of Congress. Is there seriously any person in this country who actually has any respect for an elected politician?

I thought the american people and congress had a mutual contempt thing going. They think we're redneck idiots and we think they are a bunch of crooked bastards who aren't fit to eat dinner with $.50 hookers.

Posted by: AdamPM at June 28, 2012 01:36 PM (glwa2)

188 #182 Fuck off with your foul crap...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at June 28, 2012 01:36 PM (ZHge+)

189 How's this for a coinkidink....

What's the date of the death of James Madison, Father of the Constitution? June 28, 1836.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 28, 2012 01:36 PM (vOMX+)

190 motion to reconsider is laid upon the table.

How many times does a vote get reconsidered?

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:36 PM (BAnPT)

191 Ok whoever let that turd Paulie in, do something before I go ballistic in german again

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 01:36 PM (uVuwp)

192 Now voting on resolution to give the Committee authority to hire counsel to go sue in Federal court to enforce the subpoenas

Posted by: Frank Nitti at June 28, 2012 01:36 PM (e8kgV)

193 Ace still hasn't made me a TB. I think he fears I'd stomp on TidyKat.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 01:36 PM (QupBk)

194 Can someone please point to a part of America that is still...America?

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How about the US military or, for that matter, all the poor, dumb slobs who go to work every day to feed their families and who haven't given up on the American dream?

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (Hx5uv)

195 184 Good point. It matters. Chin up.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (GvYeG)

196 What is this about the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation walking out on us? Fuck them!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (jucos)

197 Please tell me they were mocked and heckled... that would be awesome.

Posted by: Terry at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (+7Usq)

198 It isn't much of a shock that Holder was voted in contempt of Congress. Is there seriously any person in this country who actually has any respect for an elected politician?
I thought the american people and congress had a mutual contempt thing going. They think we're redneck idiots and we think they are a bunch of crooked bastards who aren't fit to eat dinner with $.50 hookers.

Posted by: AdamPM at June 28, 2012 05:36 PM (glwa2)

I have more respect for them than an unelected bureaucrat,. though.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (z1N6a)

199 Saw Pelosis little rant earlier and the stupid Twit was definatly drunk. Just watch what she does with her tongue while talking

****

Yep! I was screaming about it on Twitter but couldn't get anyone else to agree.

She celebrated a wee-bit too much this morning.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (piMMO)

200 never mind

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (uVuwp)

201 The people behind this are absolutely toxic people. A lot of people don't know it, and that has to be fixed, it may be the only way of even slowing their crimes down.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 05:35 PM (bxiXv

uh hmm.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (TomZ9)

202 5889 Maritime vote bill passed, on the table.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (BAnPT)

203 Can someone please point to a part of America that is still...America? Where's our fighting spirit as a nation? There comes a time where it becomes painfully obvious that, even if we were to win, the thing that we're fighting for...just isn't worth it.

I prescribe some historical knowledge. We've had Loyalists, Copperhead, Isolationists, and hippies.

We've had Shay's Rebellion, Appomattox, the Great Depression (preceded by many even greater depressions that got less press), Kasserine Pass, Slapton Sands, and My Lai.

We've had Dred Scott and the invincible Japanese of the '80s.

America can and will recover.

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (6TB1Z)

204 clean up again #182.

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 01:37 PM (ucs8Y)

205 Ace still hasn't made me a TB. I think he fears I'd stomp on TidyKat.

Aim low. Start with AoSHQ hall monitor.

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 01:38 PM (QKKT0)

206 I understand there's a concern about the loss of freedom, but there are much more practical concerns as well. This is going to royally fuck up the quality of healthcare. This is going to cause companies to fire hundreds of thousands of additional people in order to avoid fines, penalties and taxes. This is not just an existential crisis.

Posted by: Max Power at June 28, 2012 01:38 PM (q177U)

207 Maetenloch, it's back again - at #186 - taunting you.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 01:38 PM (Ks0w4)

208 Inspector @ 178 - The problem is the Stupid Party won't use the system that way.

Posted by: BUTCH at June 28, 2012 01:38 PM (0APJ3)

209 House unfinished business...easy come, easy go

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:38 PM (BAnPT)

210 I agree, Merovign. What happens to Holder himself doesn't matter too much. The important thing is investigating, publicizing, and stopping that evil recklessness. It's happening.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2012 01:39 PM (k0pNf)

211 Oops! gave wrong # but clean up done! Thanks.

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 01:39 PM (ucs8Y)

212 I thought the american people and congress had a mutual contempt thing going. They think we're redneck idiots and we think they are a bunch of crooked bastards who aren't fit to eat dinner with $.50 hookers. Posted by: AdamPM at June 28, 2012 05:36 PM (glwa2) I have more respect for them than an unelected bureaucrat,. though. Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 05:37 PM (z1N6a) ------------------------------------------------------ At least the hooker puts in an honest days work for her money.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 01:39 PM (jucos)

213 158 We will regret the day we voted Romney into office, you all fucking KNOW we will. Just like Bush. We will look back on this and ask, "how could we have been so stupid?"

I tried getting excited about Romney. I think I genuinely was for awhile, but...I dunno. Can someone please point to a part of America that is still...America? Where's our fighting spirit as a nation? There comes a time where it becomes painfully obvious that, even if we were to win, the thing that we're fighting for...just isn't worth it.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:30 PM (caAEA)

I live in Washington State. Seriously, it is bad enough that I have to listen to liberals day in and day out. I work in the healthcare industry. I have seen the law's effects firsthand. I have also seen the effects of overregulation and democrat corruption in this state and the only thing that keeps it from getting worse here is the VERY strong libertarian mindset here. We keep voting to destroy the income tax AGAIN and AGAIN by margins upwards of 60%.

Our problem is that there are too many old geezers in our state that are from a time when democrats were "for the little guy" *snort* and that we have too many Californians here. We also have an all mail in ballot so we all know how much fraud goes on here.

However, in many polls, if you look at the crosstabs, younger voters in the state are MORE republican than in other states. I think eventually we will be much more competitive here, when the older democrat voters die off.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 01:39 PM (M1gmo)

214 Oh, and $50 to whoever goes and gives Blob Beckel a wedgie

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 01:40 PM (uVuwp)

215
Who woulda thought that today Justice Kennedy would be one of your favorite justices?

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 01:40 PM (9Q7Nu)

216 129 Oh, who the fuck cares? Does it mean anything? Anything at all? No! It fucking does not. Posted by: Jack at June 28, 2012 05:26 PM (wUFaM) This, on the Holder vote, this is nuance. Tody we got fucked cause now Punitive Taxes are applicable in our country. Wait till the Pubs try this, the Libs will go batshat crazy.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 01:40 PM (UZQM8)

217 jeebus, Congressional votes required to name/rename Post Offices.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:40 PM (BAnPT)

218 20 Andrea Saul reports $2,000,000 raised since the ruling. ----------------------------------- Pathetic! Rep. Joe Wilson raised that much just yelling "You lie!" The loss of personal freedom should be worth more than that.

Posted by: Win Some, Lose Some! But Mainly Lose. at June 28, 2012 01:40 PM (sRsX7)

219
P.S., I think Obama's "win" today will end up being a loss as it got upheld only because it is what he swore it was not, a tax.

----

Not to mention that the 'Bamster is going to be spiking this ball and doing and end zone dance that would embarrass Madonna.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 01:40 PM (Hx5uv)

220 H.Res. 706 passed 258-95 with 5Ds voting present. 21Ds voted aye.

(Text- http://1.usa.gov/KGmxHV)

***

Yeah. Four more Dems found their nuts in the second electronic recording. The 14 I listed above are the ones that stepped into to the fire with Pelosi.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:41 PM (piMMO)

221 i'm not taunting Maet.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 01:41 PM (TomZ9)

222

Today was a couple of battles, with good results in one. We are still in the fight. That gloating will be short lived. Deep breath and press on.

What was the total on the Romney money bomb ... 1.5 mil?

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 01:41 PM (GvYeG)

223 I will be going home in and hour. I plan on 1mg of Klonopin with a 12 year old Jameson chaser and bodice ripping pr0n on my Kindle.

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 01:41 PM (iYbLN)

224 215 Oh, and $50 to whoever goes and gives Blob Beckel a wedgie

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 05:40 PM (uVuwp)

I'll offer a hollowpoint wedgie, 125 grains @ 2100 ft/sec for free.

Posted by: model_1066 at June 28, 2012 01:42 PM (YbQJm)

225 "From WI and IN to the House of Representatives, when Democrats don't get their way they walk away like spoiled little brats." You forgot about that earlier tiff by Texas Democrats who pulled the same trick by fleeing into Oklahoma several times to hide out.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 01:42 PM (YcTIW)

226 Who woulda thought that today Justice Kennedy would be one of your favorite justices?

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 05:40 PM (9Q7Nu)

He's not.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:42 PM (z1N6a)

227 I prescribe some historical knowledge. We've had Loyalists, Copperhead, Isolationists, and hippies. We've had Shay's Rebellion, Appomattox, the Great Depression (preceded by many even greater depressions that got less press), Kasserine Pass, Slapton Sands, and My Lai. We've had Dred Scott and the invincible Japanese of the '80s. America can and will recover. ---- Even through all that, America seemed to have a certain 'spring in its step' that is gone now. There has been a substantial shift in the nation's character, and I know I'm not the only one to see it. It seems perverted somehow. Yes, America has seen much worse than this. Sure, we will get through this. Maybe Obamacare will be repealed. Fine. But, the nation's character will still be changed.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:42 PM (caAEA)

228 Congress passed the DHS transportation worker identification certificate.

what, TSA?

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:42 PM (BAnPT)

229 Lol u mad?

Posted by: P.C. at June 28, 2012 01:42 PM (m5YU6)

230
Yeah, the silver lining in this miserable day is that we can spend the next 4 months getting Obama and the Democrats to admit it is a tax.

If they deny, they're lying. If they admit, they'll have admitted they perpetrated a fraud on the American people.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 01:43 PM (9Q7Nu)

231 U mad about health care bros?

Posted by: Paulie Carbone at June 28, 2012 01:43 PM (m5YU6)

232 I will have to say that I'm really disappointed in the downing of the Stolen Valor act.

You can't impersonate a lawyer, or a doctor, or God forbid a politician, but you can falsely claim heroism in the form of a military soldier with no consequence.

That's fucked up.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:43 PM (UK9cE)

233 "From WI and IN to the House of Representatives, when Democrats don't get their way they walk away like spoiled little brats."

You forgot about that earlier tiff by Texas Democrats who pulled the same trick by fleeing into Oklahoma several times to hide out.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 05:42 PM (YcTIW)

The Democrats did that in Indiana in the Civil War, too. Stanton had to pay the freight for the state government to keep things going.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:43 PM (z1N6a)

234

5-4 votes are illegitimate... oops, we meant "a sign or our system's durability".

The Supremes are morally bankrupt... oops, we meant "the most objective branch of government".

Bipartisanship is essential... oops, we meant "irrelevant".

Dissent is patriotic... oops, we meant "racist" and "politically motivated".

Taxes have to be raised... oops we meant "diguised".

The AG is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer... oops we meant "Law Avoidance Officer".

And the day ain't over, kids!

Posted by: sherlock at June 28, 2012 01:44 PM (2DD2m)

235 Lol u mad you can't ban me bros? You lost on health care.

Posted by: Paulie Carbone at June 28, 2012 01:44 PM (m5YU6)

236

ok well i might taunt Maet, if he'd take me out to dinner. (kidding )

although taunt might be the wrong term.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 01:44 PM (TomZ9)

237 88 A pardon can be issued in advance. Nixon's was. In fact he can get a blanket pardon for all actions. The Presidential pardon power just about has no limits. Clinton proved that. Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 05:19 PM (YdQQY) I guess I'd ask if that was 'original intent' but SCOTUS doesn't give a shit about that, so it doesn't matter...

Posted by: blindside at June 28, 2012 01:44 PM (x7g7t)

238 "What was the total on the Romney money bomb ... 1.5 mil?" Is it just me or is it not quite rational to send a moneybomb to the father of RomneyCare to get even with CJ Roberts over ObamaCare? Somehow it sounds like a sick joke.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 01:44 PM (YcTIW)

239 @imp and nickless,

Don't accuse me of being a troll (and a profane and vile one at that).

I don't know who paulie is, but he isn't one of my socks. And the fact that he used my nic last year proves exactly nothing. If you two had any brains, you would realize that he was simply stealing my nic.

But, apparently, neither of you haveany brains.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 28, 2012 01:44 PM (nEUpB)

240 Even through all that, America seemed to have a certain 'spring in its step' that is gone now. There has been a substantial shift in the nation's character, and I know I'm not the only one to see it. It seems perverted somehow. Yes, America has seen much worse than this. Sure, we will get through this. Maybe Obamacare will be repealed. Fine. But, the nation's character will still be changed.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:42 PM (caAEA)

Nations don't have character. People do.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (z1N6a)

241 232 U mad about health care bros?

Posted by: Paulie Carbone at June 28, 2012 05:43 PM (m5YU6)

U mad about Sarah Palin living in your pointy head rent free, sis?

Posted by: model_1066 at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (YbQJm)

242

226....You forgot about that earlier tiff by Texas Democrats who pulled the same trick by fleeing into Oklahoma several times to hide out.

I remember that.

Didn't Gov. Perry send the Texas Rangers after them....to 'escort' them back home?

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (0T8H7)

243 Fine. But, the nation's character will still be changed.

And that's a good thing. Static countries, like sharks, die. The trick is to get it moving in the right direction. We can do that.

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (6TB1Z)

244 233 I will have to say that I'm really disappointed in the downing of the Stolen Valor act.

You can't impersonate a lawyer, or a doctor, or God forbid a politician, but you can falsely claim heroism in the form of a military soldier with no consequence.

That's fucked up.

Posted by: Â© Sponge at June 28, 2012 05:43 PM (UK9cE)

What is to stop Congress from passing a tax on all people who falsely claim heroism? I mean they can make us all eat broccoli now, why not?

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (M1gmo)

245 Not to mention that the 'Bamster is going to be spiking this ball and doing and end zone dance that would embarrass Madonna. Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 05:40 PM (Hx5uv) His speech today was 90% re-hash of the sales-pitch speech. 10% "Look at all the good it's done with made up numbers."

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (UZQM8)

246 I've always found Holder to be contemptible, so holding him in contempt is merely a formality

Posted by: the Butcher at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (8g9qq)

247

222i'm not taunting Maet.

I'm sorry, willow, I meant that freak Paulie. Wrong #

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (Ks0w4)

248 Nations don't have character. People do. --- That's what I mean.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (caAEA)

249 234 ok well i might taunt Maet, if he'd take me out to dinner. (kidding )

although taunt might be the wrong term.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 05:44 PM (TomZ9)

Do NOT taunt happy fun Maet unless you include a 6x8 face pic as well.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (pAlYe)

250 Nancy Pelosi is the Lindsay Lohan of congressional whores, - both of whom in the near future will be engaged in the pron industry. Most likely bestiality.

Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2012 01:45 PM (ZN5qR)

251 James Carville: Â‘The Tea Party Is OverÂ’

Posted by: Frank Nitti at June 28, 2012 01:46 PM (e8kgV)

252 Yeah. Four more Dems found their nuts in the second electronic recording. The 14 I listed above are the ones that stepped into to the fire with Pelosi.

*****

Typo: I listed 17, not 14, above.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:46 PM (piMMO)

253 Sheila Jackson Lee D-TX "divise bickering" guaranteeing donut hole fallers a relief line, and people dying on sidewalks vindication by the SCOTUS Obama mandate-for-all decision.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:46 PM (BAnPT)

254 That's funny cause I find Holder in contempt too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 28, 2012 01:46 PM (EtuU3)

255 Our problem is that there are too many old geezers in our state that are from a time when democrats were "for the little guy" *snort* and that we have too many Californians here. We also have an all mail in ballot so we all know how much fraud goes on here.
However, in many polls, if you look at the crosstabs, younger voters in the state are MORE republican than in other states. I think eventually we will be much more competitive here, when the older democrat voters die off.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 05:39 PM (M1gmo)

I know tons of young people from California that left the state to go either to Seattle or Portland, I wouldn't call them conservative but there not actually full on liberal. I think the west coast is weird in that it is filled with old money democrats, most of the young people are centrists. The problem is all the carpetbaggers, even the young ones, are diehard libs escaping their "terrible" upbringing

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 28, 2012 01:46 PM (ZhEoC)

256 OldCat: "The Democrats did that in Indiana in the Civil War, too. Stanton had to pay the freight for the state government to keep things going." I was trying to stay in the last few decades for relevance. Which probably just proves that I'm some kind of Moron. But the Tex Dems seem to have set the modern pattern for doing this and getting away with it.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 01:46 PM (YcTIW)

257 paul doesn't think about S Palin, she is an adult woman. he fixates on the girls

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 01:46 PM (TomZ9)

258

@178 "But in losing to the Left, they've handed us the tools and precedents to horrifically fuck their shitty worldview. Forever."

Inspector,

I say this with a completely unblemished record of strict heterosexuality: Your rant gave me wood.

I don't believe the Stupid Party has the stones to do even 1% of it, but yes...wood.

Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 01:46 PM (4I3Uo)

259 Infidel writes: 63 27 Don't you have to be found guilty to be pardoned? I mean could he parden Holder prior to a conviction? No, you do not need to be convicted first. Ask Zombie Nixon.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 01:47 PM (0VqvZ)

260 Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never -- in nothing, great or small, large or petty -- never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 01:47 PM (GvYeG)

261 maet, you're fast!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 01:47 PM (UOM48)

262 I will have to say that I'm really disappointed in the downing of the Stolen Valor act.

You
can't impersonate a lawyer, or a doctor, or God forbid a politician,
but you can falsely claim heroism in the form of a military soldier with
no consequence.

That's fucked up.

*****

Wasn't the ruling basically.... we're over-turning THIS law but there's nothing to stop you from re-writing it?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:47 PM (piMMO)

263 James Carville: Â‘The Tea Party Is OverÂ’

Dumping British Tea overboard did not win American Independence.

The Tea Party has just begun.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:47 PM (BAnPT)

264 @Iowahawkblog Also abstaining from Holder contempt vote: 300 dead Mexicans.

Posted by: Retread at June 28, 2012 01:47 PM (I2fq9)

265 @236 Is it just me or is it not quite rational......

You're fighting the last war, so yeah, pretty much all you at this point. And I don't believe your nic.

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 01:48 PM (6TB1Z)

266
Do NOT taunt happy fun Maet unless you include a 6x8 face pic as well.

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at June 28, 2012 05:45 PM (pAlYe)

Face....That's what they're calling sweater puppies nowadays?

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:48 PM (UK9cE)

267 A hard and painful lesson I have learned over these past three and a half years is the government is truly the enemy.

And that 52% of the "voting" public are ignorant, selfish fucks.

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 01:48 PM (iYbLN)

268 "You can't impersonate a lawyer, or a doctor, or God forbid a politician, but you can falsely claim heroism in the form of a military soldier with no consequence."

That isn't really true. You can say you are any of those things in a bar or in a job interview. When you practice them, then you are in trouble. If I were to engage in the profession of a soldier (killing people, breaking stuff) while not actually being a soldier, there would be consequences.

Still, I get your point.

Posted by: MrShad at June 28, 2012 01:48 PM (Xqfwb)

269
Did Roberts vote against the Stolen Valor case, too? What was the final tally on that, btw?

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 01:48 PM (9Q7Nu)

270 On the day in which the U.S. House of Representatives has determined that Attorney General Eric HolderÂ’s actions are egregious enough to warrant a criminal contempt vote, the AG has skipped town and headed to Â… Disneyworld.

According to the National JournalÂ’s Daybook, Holder will be addressing the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) during a convention at a Disneyworld Resort in Lake Buena Vista, Florida.

Posted by: Frank Nitti at June 28, 2012 01:48 PM (e8kgV)

271 Sheila Jackson Lee D-TX "divise bickering" guaranteeing donut hole fallers a relief line, and people dying on sidewalks vindication by the SCOTUS Obama mandate-for-all decision. Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 05:46 PM (BAnPT) Please dude, get her name right: it's Sheila Jackass Lee (D-Jackass)

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 01:49 PM (uVuwp)

272 Meanwhile, Sep 24, 2009 7:43pm Biden on the Recovery Act: Â“If It Fails, IÂ’m DeadÂ” "from the neck up, from the neck up. that's what my grandpop - from scranton home of workin' class folks - used to say" Biden added

Posted by: I have the President's back at June 28, 2012 01:49 PM (4eNxd)

273 I can't wait for Willow Palin to be legal. U mad about health care?

Posted by: P. Carbone at June 28, 2012 01:49 PM (KaAC5)

274 That's what I mean.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:45 PM (caAEA)

What Roberts said did not change any person's hearts and will.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 01:49 PM (z1N6a)

275

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at June 28, 2012 05:45 PM (pAlYe)

perhaps one day. first we'll have to hide the spouses eyes and ears. and erase comments and the commenters minds that read them!

must plan ahead.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 01:49 PM (TomZ9)

276 Mica is on FoxB now telling the babe what a "good deal" Republicans got and how the highway bill will make jobs.

He hasn't answered a single question. Sold us out RINO bastard.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 01:49 PM (YdQQY)

277

259 maet, you're fast!

But....in a good way.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 01:50 PM (0T8H7)

278 Wasn't the ruling basically.... we're over-turning THIS law but there's nothing to stop you from re-writing it?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 05:47 PM (piMMO)

I haven't read the ruling, but didn't it basically get covered under "free speech?"

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:50 PM (UK9cE)

279 James Carville? I thought he was dead...then again, how can you tell?

Posted by: model_1066 at June 28, 2012 01:50 PM (YbQJm)

280

If they deny, they're lying. If they admit, they'll have admitted they perpetrated a fraud on the American people.

Either way, we're still screwed. Not many people have acknowledged what it's going to do to the economy.

I doubt very seriously if I'll ever have another day job again. My future is one of food stamps and, if I'm really lucky, welfare.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 01:50 PM (d0Tfm)

281 Lol u mad?

Posted by: P. Carbon at June 28, 2012 01:50 PM (KaAC5)

282 I liked the stolen valor act, but vets will continue take care of the posers.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 01:50 PM (GvYeG)

283 Can't wait for Willow Palin to be legal.

Posted by: P. Carbon at June 28, 2012 01:51 PM (KaAC5)

284

really is quite a depressing day.

so it is 100 to a thousand dollars and one month to a year for holder?

seems light for 300 plus dead.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 01:51 PM (TomZ9)

285 In this country, we have separation of Church and State. We donÂ’t have to depend on beliefs. This is the country of "the peopleÂ’s right to know,Â” "public knowledge is a prerequisite to accountability," "the most open and transparent administration in history," "freedom of information," the Â“Show Me State," a "well-informed electorate," and Â“Enquiring minds want to knowÂ”.

Posted by: Frank Nitti at June 28, 2012 01:51 PM (e8kgV)

286 Lol u mad about Roberts?

Posted by: P. Carbon at June 28, 2012 01:51 PM (KaAC5)

287
Still, I get your point.

Posted by: MrShad at June 28, 2012 05:48 PM (Xqfwb)

That being said, all of the ones being accused of violating the act were using the falsehoods for some type of financial or political gain, so can't that be viewed as "practicing?"

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:51 PM (UK9cE)

288 "If they deny, they're lying. If they admit, they'll have admitted they perpetrated a fraud on the American people."

You could show absolute proof of all Democrats committing heinous crimes, and 50% of the electorate would say: "I like pop-tarts".

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 01:51 PM (RzLbD)

289 Oh Lord, some of the comments on Tepid air are priceless. They're out to get a lynch mob for Roberts and some how Romney and George Bush are to blame...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at June 28, 2012 01:51 PM (ZHge+)

290
Roberts sided again Kagan on Stolen Valor in a 6-3 decision.

Roberts must have sudden brain damage syndrome or something.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (9Q7Nu)

291 271 That's what I mean.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:45 PM (caAEA)
What Roberts said did not change any person's hearts and will.

I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant.
-Isoroku Yamamoto

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (6TB1Z)

292 I know tons of young people from California that left the state to go either to Seattle or Portland, I wouldn't call them conservative but there not actually full on liberal. I think the west coast is weird in that it is filled with old money democrats, most of the young people are centrists. The problem is all the carpetbaggers, even the young ones, are diehard libs escaping their "terrible" upbringing

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 28, 2012 05:46 PM (ZhEoC)

Eventually, conservatives will win out. It is only a matter of time. Either through bankruptcy or the Scott Walker way. We will win. Demographics will kill the Democrats, conservatives breed more and political affiliation tends to remain unchanged from one generation to the next. We have better, simpler ideas that make sense. New media will ensure that our message gets out. The liberals have more competition now than they ever have had to deal with ever.

The internet will ensure their demise.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (M1gmo)

293 wheatie: "Didn't Gov. Perry send the Texas Rangers after them....to 'escort' them back home?" He sent state police but I think they just looked in Texas as they had no power in Oklahoma. It was 51 fleeing Dems in the Texas House, trying to prevent a vote on redistricting in 2003. Hence, I was noting some legislative trivia within the last decade and am now a Fully Qualified Moron. I couldn't be prouder!

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (YcTIW)

294 BiPartisan, Bitches!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (EtuU3)

295 You guys gotta be mad about that health care, right?

Posted by: P. Carbon at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (KaAC5)

296 The left can't help but lie, because they couldn't do what they do if they were honest. It's that simple. When they mean "illegal immigration" they say "immigration." When they mean "government control of medicine" they say "health care." When they mean "anyone who disagrees with me" they say "racists." When they mean "fine" they say "tax." When they mean "only we get to hurl insults" they say "civility." There is really no more dishonest group of people I know of. They can only gain and maintain power through deception and the corruption of public trust through lies and open bribery.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (bxiXv)

297 267 Did Roberts vote against the Stolen Valor case, too? What was the final tally on that, btw? 6-3, with Alito, Scalia, and Thomas dissenting.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (d6QMz)

298

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 05:48 PM (iYbLN)

+100

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 01:52 PM (TomZ9)

299 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable success (as much as I hate it, and hope it bites him in the ass ultimately, this was a win for him today. Oh well)

Posted by: Hoss at June 28, 2012 01:53 PM (v2tpB)

300 Roberts bitched slapped y'all

Posted by: P. Carbon at June 28, 2012 01:53 PM (KaAC5)

301

Anger has tuned into a quiet resolve. Hit the gym, hit the shooting range. A few cold ones, send Mitt some money. Gonna be a good evening. Contempt. Bitches.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 01:53 PM (GvYeG)

302 Yeah, yeah. After this morning, this and $62.50 will get you a cup of coffee.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque, Pissed Prole at June 28, 2012 01:53 PM (eQnzo)

303 Come on, you guys were all excited because you thought it would struck down, then Roberts fucked you in the ass. Lol u mad?

Posted by: P. Carbon at June 28, 2012 01:53 PM (KaAC5)

304 I will have to say that I'm really disappointed in the downing of the Stolen Valor act.

---

Yeah, now Lizzie Warren can claim that it was she who scalped Custer.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 01:54 PM (Hx5uv)

305
You can't impersonate a lawyer, or a doctor, or God forbid a politician,
--

Good point re: lawyer and doctor. The lawyer passes the bar, and gets registered as a lawyer. The doctor passes his residency, and gets documented beyond the educational degrees. Just as most professions have their documentation proving who is or is not "real".

And that documentation DEFINITELY applies to the military. Each member is a registered member or past member of the US Military with a record. So the rules of prosecuting impersonation should apply across the board.

However, Obama impersonated a politician and many other things as well to get where he is in the Oval Office, including a Constitutional Scholar and Law Professor.

So as ever, it boils down to who your friends are. Because frauds definitely exist. And corruption rules the day in our government.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:54 PM (BAnPT)

306 P. Carbon at June 28, 2012 05:52 PM (KaAC5), I already told you, I am not angry. I am determined. You will see. You and I will see together.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at June 28, 2012 01:54 PM (imdda)

307 The "-D"after their titles is for Drama Queen.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 05:08 PM

I always thought it meant Dickhead.

Posted by: Berserker at June 28, 2012 01:54 PM (FMbng)

308 I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant. -Isoroku Yamamoto Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 05:52 PM (6TB1Z) ---- That was 1941. 70 years ago. Let's look at what happened after 9/11. That shows a true change in character. Two years later we had a full-blown lib freakout over Iraq. That would not have happened in 1943. This is now a nation of food-stamp loving douches and it feels like we are outnumbered.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 01:54 PM (caAEA)

309 278 I liked the stolen valor act, but vetswill continuetake care of the posers.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 05:50 PM (GvYeG

I posted earlier today that my husband interviewed a "down-on-his-luck vet" for an IT position at his company who was referred by a friend.

The guy told a heart-breaking story of fighting as a Marine in Iraq and having to kill a guy with his k-bar, and how he's suffered from PTSD ever since. My husband was on the verge of hiring him when the friend called to tell him he'd discovered the guy was a liar who had Never.Served. in the military. Period.

Thinking about him sitting in my husband's office telling his lies right next to a picture of our boy in uniform burns me the hell up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 01:54 PM (UOM48)

310 I haven't read the ruling, but didn't it basically get covered under "free speech?"

*****

Yep. I haven't read it yet either and was basing my question on the SCOTUSblog live-feed from this morning.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 01:54 PM (piMMO)

311 Come on, you guys were all excited because you thought it would struck down, then Roberts fucked you in the ass.

Lol u mad? Posted by: P. Carbon

I can see November 6th from my house.

Can you?

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 01:55 PM (iYbLN)

312 Anger has tuned into a quiet resolve. Posted by: Honey Badger Yep!

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 01:55 PM (ucs8Y)

313 Obama doesn't call him Eric "the Dick" ... Holder for nothing. Actually, there are quite a few reasons why Obama calls him that.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 01:55 PM (mO2yo)

314 They should have to pay a tax for not voting! After-all, there is now a tax for opting to 'not do something'.

Posted by: vdanifu at June 28, 2012 01:56 PM (9VSWS)

315 Posted by: P. Carbon I think that is the same dude (Paulie), that was removed already but with diff. hash

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 01:56 PM (uVuwp)

316 I missed my last Teaparty meeting. That will be the last one I miss.

Posted by: maddogg at June 28, 2012 01:56 PM (OlN4e)

317 Stolen Valor 6-3, with Alito, Scalia, and Thomas dissenting.

THAT SAYS IT ALL.

This is the majority's CONFESSION regarding themselves.

SCOTUS: There is no such thing as "integrity" or "valor" in America.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:57 PM (BAnPT)

318 301 I come from a military family. I understand.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 01:57 PM (GvYeG)

319 Thinking about him sitting in my husband's office telling his lies right next to a picture of our boy in uniform burns me the hell up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 05:54 PM (UOM4

That's exactly why I'm kinda pissed about that one as well. Those that serve work hard to get what they have on their DD-214 when they're done. Just because it's not a doctor or a lawyer, it's the same.fucking.thing.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:57 PM (UK9cE)

320 Wait, I was told that Boehner and Issa were cowards and pussies.

Repeatedly.

Is this not the case?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 01:57 PM (famk3)

321

You can't impersonate a lawyer, or a doctor, or God forbid a politician

Well, yes, you can. You just can't ACT as one. If the stolen valor idiots were trying to walk onto a base with their bought medals, they could get ganked.

I'm torn on this one. I'd like to pummel the dipshits (especially that smug hipster admiral douche that started the whole thing), but it's hard to say its a crime.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 01:57 PM (UaxA0)

322 100$ for expressing directly to them how contemptible Congress is sounds like a fine business opportunity. Require them all to gather for roll call or dismissal. 100$ for one deep inhale and all the Rant you can spew. 10 Minutes worth of folks. The line would stretch round the block.

Posted by: DaveA at June 28, 2012 01:57 PM (EyTMo)

323 Oh, and fuck the Supremes. Fuck them up the ass with a copy of the Constitution, because there sure as hell is no point in trying to get them to read it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 01:57 PM (mO2yo)

324 That was 1941. 70 years ago. Let's look at what happened after 9/11. That shows a true change in character. Two years later we had a full-blown lib freakout over Iraq. That would not have happened in 1943. This is now a nation of food-stamp loving douches and it feels like we are outnumbered.

I guess we'll see which of us is right. On November 6. Around about 8 pm.

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 01:58 PM (6TB1Z)

325 I think that is the same dude (Paulie), that was removed already but with diff. hash
Posted by: Ma Bell at June 28, 2012 05:56 PM (uVuwp)

He's taunting Maet by changing his IP each time he's banned.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:58 PM (UK9cE)

326 Honey Badger,

Couldn't agree more with your statement.

Despair this morning. Disgust this afternoon. Hardened resolve now. I will do whatever it takes to defeat SCOAMF and every other Democrat on November 6th.

Money, time, effort = Landslide

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 01:58 PM (iYbLN)

327 303 I can see November 6th from my house.

I'll post that on my front lawn!

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 01:58 PM (BAnPT)

328 Boobs, don't forget boobs.

Posted by: maddogg at June 28, 2012 01:58 PM (OlN4e)

329

m5YU6

He's bound to be running out of neighbors to hijack their routers from.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 01:59 PM (UaxA0)

330 Love how the libs are finally embracing the most unpopular piece of legislation enacted in my lifetime and even gloating over it. Already forgot about the 2010 bloodbath and what brought it on, I guess. Keep it up assholes, if you thought that one was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: mugiwara at June 28, 2012 01:59 PM (KI/Ch)

331 The 21Ds voting aye on H.Res. 706- Altmire, Barber, Barrow, Boren, Boswell, Chandler, Critz, DeFazio, Donnelly (IN), Hochul, Kind, Kissell, Matheson, McIntyre, Michaud, Miller (NC), Owens, Peterson, Rahall, Ross (AR), and Walz (MN) 5Ds voting present- Ackerman, Costa, Kaptur, Lipinski, and Towns http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll442.xml http://1.usa.gov/KGmxHV

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 01:59 PM (d6QMz)

332 So the walkout was essentially staged by all the minorities in the minority party? So they've gone from "We Will Overcome" to "We Will Bravely Run Away From Debate" ? What a pathetic bunch of losers. Let's hope November necessitates a whole lot of walking out for the next 4 years.

Posted by: red speck at June 28, 2012 01:59 PM (9Xu0X)

333 I'm torn on this one. I'd like to pummel the dipshits (especially that smug hipster admiral douche that started the whole thing), but it's hard to say its a crime.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 05:57 PM (UaxA0)

This particular case was brought because a politician was using false military records (verbal) as a means to appeal to people to get elected. I'd call that practicing. You don't have to walk into a Dr's office to pretend to be a Dr.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 28, 2012 01:59 PM (UK9cE)

334 Where's the cat lady to tell us what her lib/dem friends have to say? I feel like swatting a troll around. Hard.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 01:59 PM (UOM48)

335 Also, leftists do things like disguise their identity so they can lie and harass people on blogs. Par for the course, same as any other day in their lives.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 02:00 PM (bxiXv)

336 Anecdote: Just got a call from several family members (centrist democrats) and they just told me that they are voting straight repub in November. This supreme court shit was the last straw (they were hoping it would get thrown out, but now they have to vote repub to make sure). I don't get democrats, but I love their votes for our candidates!!

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 02:01 PM (M1gmo)

337 I know so many great men and woman; hard workers, soldiers, young, old, responsible great Americans. No way do I lose heart. Just gotta stay in the fight.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 02:01 PM (GvYeG)

338 5Ds voting present-
Ackerman, Costa, Kaptur, Lipinski, and Towns

Kaptur is running against Joe The Plumber in her district. She's walking a fine line and knows it.

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 02:01 PM (iYbLN)

339

You don't have to walk into a Dr's office to pretend to be a Dr.

No, but at the same time you can't be arrested for telling the hottie in the bar that you are DR. Sponge.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 02:02 PM (UaxA0)

340 He's taunting Maet by changing his IP each time he's banned. If you don't quote them, the trolls are soon nothing but a mist and a stench. Only three things are certain in life, death, taxes and TB3K.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 02:02 PM (QupBk)

341 The ObamaTax. Make them choke on it.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 02:02 PM (GvYeG)

342 Yay! Now we can tax horse ballet!

Posted by: Awesome Government Nomenklatura at June 28, 2012 02:02 PM (HjPtV)

343 SCOAMF isn't monopolized by the current resident of the Oval Office, but applies as well to the SCOTUS majority.

And NO THANKS to the kinder, gentler "moderates" nominated by Reagan and the two Bush Presidents.

Goes to prove where "go along to get along" ends.

Without Constitutional Governance

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 02:02 PM (BAnPT)

344 Just so you are all prepared, Justice (snort!) Ginsberg has it all figured out how this ruling won't work in favor of conservatives.

"A mandate to purchase a particular product would be unconstitutional if, for example, the edict impermissibly abridged the freedom of speech, interÂfered with the free exercise of religion, or infringed on a liberty interest protected by the Due Process Clause. "

If you were mandated to buy a gun, for example, Ginsberg would rule that the second amendment means that you don't have to buy a gun. If you were mandated to buy a book about fetus development in the womb, that would infringe on thesacred right to have an abortion. Etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 28, 2012 02:02 PM (Hx5uv)

345 The ObamaTax. Make them choke on it. Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead

I'm going to shove it down their fucking throats.

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 02:02 PM (iYbLN)

346 P.S., I think Obama's "win" today will end up being a loss as it got upheld only because it is what he swore it was not, a tax. ---------------------------------- 59% of voters have never heard of Solyndra. The AP published an article on Obama's reaction to S.C. decision without ever mentioning the word "tax". Point is: Americans have to pull their heads out of their asses in order to hear the truth. Will they? Not so sure.

Posted by: Win Some, Lose Some! But Mainly Lose. at June 28, 2012 02:03 PM (d2QQ4)

347 I posted earlier today that my husband interviewed a "down-on-his-luck vet" for an IT position at his company who was referred by a friend.

The guy told a heart-breaking story of fighting as a Marine in Iraq and having to kill a guy with his k-bar, and how he's suffered from PTSD ever since. My husband was on the verge of hiring him when the friend called to tell him he'd discovered the guy was a liar who had Never.Served. in the military. Period.

Thinking about him sitting in my husband's office telling his lies right next to a picture of our boy in uniform burns me the hell up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 05:54 PM (UOM4

I would not believe a Marine would tell that story for a second, especially if it were true.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 02:03 PM (z1N6a)

348

Taranto takes a different view that Roberts may have taken one for the team to tighten up the commerce clause, the vehicle of choice for statists to impose their control over us.

He pushed the tax idea but also in his opinion drew restrictions on the abuse of the commerce clause.

Posted by: Max Entropy at June 28, 2012 02:03 PM (haWgb)

349

My guess is that Roberts hasn't seen his kid in about 3 months.

But he did demand proof of life.

Posted by: Jack at June 28, 2012 02:03 PM (wUFaM)

350 1 Present???
Obama's got a seat in the House?

Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2012 02:03 PM (nrW1y)

351 Fuuuuuu, wrong thread.

Posted by: Max Entropy at June 28, 2012 02:03 PM (haWgb)

352 Levin should be on fire today.

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 02:03 PM (O/fK8)

353 No way do I lose heart. Just gotta stay in the fight.

Yep. When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 02:04 PM (BAnPT)

354

Get inside their OODA loop. Make them go on the defensive. Tie that Tax around their neck.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 02:04 PM (GvYeG)

355

Sooo... lets see.... what happens next...

The AG of Washington DC takes this to a hand picked Grand Jury... and only tells them what he wants them to hear.

Irvin B. Nathan is the Attorney General for the District of Columbia. Prior to his arrival at the Office of Attorney General, he was the General Counsel of the United States House of Representatives, where he served from November 2007 until January 2, 2011

Ergo, he was the counsel for Nancy Pelosi's House... and was canned when the Repubs came into power... he was then apponted by a dem mayor as DC AG....

Holder, and Obama.... laugh....

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 02:05 PM (lZBBB)

356 Taranto takes a different view that Roberts may have taken one for the team to tighten up the commerce clause, the vehicle of choice for statists to impose their control over us. Yet it fails to explain why a 5-4 decision to overturn, rather than a 5-4 decision to saddle us with this shit, would not have achieved the same thing.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 02:05 PM (QupBk)

357

I live near SF so I frequent the SF Gate (Chronicle) website for local news. Of course the HealthCare ruling is plastered all over the front page with multiple articles about "Win for Obama" "Win for Pelosi" "Fox flubs verdict announcment." Meanwhile, I literally had to do a CTRL-F find to locate the headline linking the article covering the contempt vote.

This doesnt surprise me, but yet it still sickens me. The Media and the educational system are controlled by liberals. There is not a free marketplace of ideas.

Posted by: california red at June 28, 2012 02:05 PM (xC7pk)

358 337 I agree, shove it down their fucking throats.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 02:05 PM (GvYeG)

359

INTERESTING - look at what the DJIA did today.

ObamaTax stands - Dow goes BOOO!

Holder Contempt Vote starts - Dow goes YAAAAY!

Clearly the stock market is part of the extreme right-wing Tea Party.

Posted by: reason at June 28, 2012 02:06 PM (kZVsz)

360 59% of voters have never heard of Solyndra.

The AP published an article on Obama's reaction to S.C. decision without ever mentioning the word "tax".

Point is: Americans have to pull their heads out of their asses in order to hear the truth.

Will they? Not so sure.

Posted by: Win Some, Lose Some! But Mainly Lose. at June 28, 2012 06:03 PM (d2QQ4)

They will in September, that is when all the mushy low information "moderate" idiots pull their heads out of their asses and vote with their "feelings." We just need to be there and direct their "feelings" to one of anger and disgust against Barack.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 02:06 PM (M1gmo)

361

Posted by: Max Entropy at June 28, 2012 06:03 PM (haWgb)

He could have done BOTH.... it was not either or...

There is no limit on the Commerce clause here.... as it was not ALLOWED to be an issue.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 02:07 PM (lZBBB)

362 What exactly is the message the CBC was trying to communicate with a walk-out?

I thought "high tech lynching" was so 20th century.

Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2012 02:07 PM (ZN5qR)

363 255 in hex? "FF" Hmmm.....

Posted by: Hexadecimal at June 28, 2012 02:09 PM (2pFjb)

364 Sorry, OT But I had Judge Judy on a little bit ago. She was dealing with the usual 'tards who want to discuss their "feelings" and "fairness". You know, like liberals. Her quote was perfect for today. "Sometimes judges get confused about what they're supposed to do, and that's why courts are in such a hopeless state across the country."

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 28, 2012 02:09 PM (+iR5Y)

365 I DON'T CARE!!! TEH OBAMACARE RULING MEANZ IT CANNEVER BE UNDONE!!111!! OUR NATION IS DONE FOREVERS!!11!!

I HATE BOOSH BCAUSE HE KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN!!!!!!

Posted by: GOP Crybaby at June 28, 2012 02:09 PM (7+pP9)

366 This makes Obamacare a campaign issue. But, the Constitution is dead. If Obamacare is constitutional, every government initiative, no matter how large or intrusive, is constitutional. The United States of America is now, for better or for worse, a democracy (the Republic dies with the Constitution). The Supremes are stuttering clusterfucks and miserable failures. They just don't know it yet. Anyways, focus on FnF for now. We have Holder by the balls. Follow the corpses. No joke.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:10 PM (mO2yo)

367 Go back to sleep.

Posted by: Beto at June 28, 2012 02:10 PM (BAnPT)

368 Levin is in the process of turning JeffB's colon inside out.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 02:10 PM (BIRhA)

369 "This particular case was brought because a politician was using false military records (verbal) as a means to appeal to people to get elected. I'd call that practicing. You don't have to walk into a Dr's office to pretend to be a Dr."

It would seem to me that a publicly available database of who served and when would make a quick end to this practice.

Posted by: MrShad at June 28, 2012 02:11 PM (Xqfwb)

370 National Right To Work says Obamacare a big gimme to unions:

http://bit.ly/MYGM3H

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 02:11 PM (piMMO)

371 I'm feeling good. Need to lift some weights. Put a few rounds down range. And think Obama getting thrown out on his ass. Contempt.Bitches.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 02:11 PM (GvYeG)

372 O/T - Levin calling out the "Smiley-Face Crowd" trying to whitewash Roberts.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 02:11 PM (tQHzJ)

373 "Posted by: GOP Crybaby at June 28, 2012 06:09 PM (7+pP9)" Metacrybaby much?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:12 PM (mO2yo)

374 I can hardly wait to read the gleeful comments of the Obamabots in our paper's vox populi tomorrow and in days to come.

*throws back glass of wine and heads to fridge*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 02:13 PM (UOM48)

375 Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 02:13 PM (DGIjM)

376

Anyways, focus on FnF for now. We have Holder by the balls. Follow the corpses. No joke.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 06:10 PM (mO2yo)

Uh... you may want to look at what happens due to this vote. It goes to the DC Attorney General, who then takes it to a Grand Jury.

The DC Attorney General is Irvin B. Nathan, whose last job was working as the Counsel for the House of Representatives, when Nancy Pelosi was in Power. He was can'd by the Repubs.

Yeah.... thats someone who is going to go after Eric Holder Hammer and Tongs...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 02:14 PM (lZBBB)

377

If Obamacare is a tax now, then they'd damn well better outlaw abortion ASAP - I want every last one of those young kids who thought that Obama was the 2nd coming of Jesus to pop out AT LEAST 3 kids per couple to pay for this monstrosity.

And you can just forget about gay marriage - they don't produce ANY kids.

No birth control either, those babies need to get here ASAP, and I want the best eggs possible making those babies.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 28, 2012 02:14 PM (0xqzf)

378 Romeo13: There is no limit on the Commerce clause here.... as it was not ALLOWED to be an issue. Some are pretending this is some victory in limiting the Commerce Clause abuse. It is no such thing. The libs on the Court voted to uphold the Montana law which tried to maintain a prior state ban on corporate donations. It was a straight 5-4 partisan vote. The 4 liberals were all willing to overturn Citizens United only a few years after the supposed precedent. Libs don't respect precedent. No one with Roberts' experience has any reason to think they do. I saw George Will trying to make this same lame argument, also over at Slate magazine. No future Court will consider Roberts' strike against ObamaCare on the Commerce Clause grounds to inhibit other attempts to use the Commerce Clause to compel commerce.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 02:14 PM (YcTIW)

379 #367

Did you just say Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal?

Hellooo, Google. heh

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 02:15 PM (UOM48)

380 Obamacare is an albatross for the dems now more than ever.

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 02:15 PM (ucs8Y)

381 Some good news on a bad day.

Now that he's been found in contempt, will anything change?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 02:16 PM (i0App)

382 The gloating that counts comes in November!

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 02:16 PM (GvYeG)

383 50 I really don't give a shit about Holder. I'm starting to wonder why I care so much about the direction of this country. I think maybe I'd be happier if I just stopped caring about politics. I'm sure this feeling will pass... Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 05:14 PM (caAEA) For fuck sake why dont we all feel like that? We crushed the Dems in 2010 and what happened? Obama still got to spend, he still got what he wanted, and when he didn't he threatened to blow up the government and our side capitulated. On the few things our side "won" on, he simply said fuck you ill do it by executive order. He won in every shape and form. Not even the ballot box or courts stopped him. When he lost in court to Arizona what did he do? he said fuck you I will just direct my law enforcement arm to not enforce any of the federal laws for you. Hows them apples taste? WTF is the point of voting even when we "win" we lose.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 28, 2012 02:18 PM (++kZl)

384 372 ... it's ObamaTax ...

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 02:18 PM (GvYeG)

385

Maybe we can impose a tax on Mexican cartels if they don't buy automatic weapons from Arizona gun dealers?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 02:19 PM (qwK3S)

386 I can't think of ONE victory that our side won. Not one. I don't see America changing for the better.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:19 PM (caAEA)

387 "Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2012 06:07 PM (ZN5qR)" That Black People are racist, I guess.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:21 PM (mO2yo)

388 WTF is the point of voting even when we "win" we lose.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 28, 2012 06:18 PM (++kZl)

Then don't vote, go home and shut up. Whiner.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 02:21 PM (z1N6a)

389 I can't think of ONE victory that our side won. Not one. I don't see America changing for the better.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:19 PM (caAEA)

Gettysburg?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 02:22 PM (z1N6a)

390 "Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:19 PM (caAEA)" Actually, it will, no matter what. Either we win, or we lose. If we lose, what cannot go on forever, won't.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:23 PM (mO2yo)

391 381 I can't think of ONE victory that our side won. Not one. I don't see America changing for the better.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:19 PM (caAEA)

Wisconsin?

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 02:23 PM (M1gmo)

392

381 I can't think of ONE victory that our side won. Not one. I don't see America changing for the better.

___

The WI repudiation of umpteen recall attempts against every Republican office holder in their state was pretty significant.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 02:23 PM (jm/9g)

393

That idea of Term Limits for Supreme Court Judges is looking more like a good idea now.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 02:24 PM (0T8H7)

394 Hey Maet, if you are still around, some of the comments in last post #569 should be removed.

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 02:24 PM (ucs8Y)

395 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 02:24 PM (Ts9tU)

396 Wisconsin? --- Yeah. Wisconsin. I'd trade a thousand Wisconsins for a victory over Obamacare.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:25 PM (caAEA)

397 Did the racist caucus if only one ethnically pure group walk out? The fact that this group exists at all is an abomination, but being willing to carry out a public stunt in support of lawbreaking and such an evil program is shocking to me. Could anyone be that horrible and shameless? I mean we already know that most of the members are corrupt to begin with - this isn't opinion, its fact backed up by repeated investigations and punishment even while Democrats were in charge.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2012 02:25 PM (r4wIV)

398 Yahoo is calling this a "party-line vote." I wish I was hosted elsewhere. I wonder how hard it is to change?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 02:25 PM (i0App)

399 One of my FB friends (total lib) is trying to tell me that the mandate/tax is not enforceable. I hadn't heard that before... can someone clue me in?

Posted by: Gran at June 28, 2012 02:25 PM (CPX+P)

400 I can't think of ONE victory that our side won. Not one. I don't see America changing for the better.
=================
I'll do you one better. I can't think of any law that will pass that will be a victory.
I mean, fuck, right on the heals of the biggest expansion of federal government in this nation's history coming down, those worthless bastards who call themselves Republicans were out bragging about passing EVEN MORE SPENDING!!! In the highway bill.

Every fucking thing they do is another liberty they will take away. Every time.

I and SO FUCKING TIRED of those in the federal government taking over and trying to do for us what we can do for ourselves.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 02:25 PM (kSaUf)

401 Yeah. Wisconsin. I'd trade a thousand Wisconsins for a victory over Obamacare.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:25 PM (caAEA)

Can't trade if you don't even remember em.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 02:25 PM (z1N6a)

402

"I can hardly wait to read the gleeful comments of the Obamabots in our paper's vox populi tomorrow and in days to come."

Ugh, I'll be avoiding the same. My blood pressure is too damned high as it is.

As has been mentioned, this is a rallying point. I was kinda shocked this morning but kinda not.

Fuck it, there's nothing we can do about it except than to press forward to the election and kick Obama's skinny ass out.

Posted by: ErikW at June 28, 2012 02:26 PM (+liak)

403 Interviewer: "Eric Holder.. you've just been found in contempt by Congress.. what are you gonna do?" Eric Holder: "I'M GOIN' TA DISNEY WOOOOORLD!!"

Posted by: skinnydipinacid at June 28, 2012 02:26 PM (F7XAG)

404 I can't think of ONE victory that our side won. Not one. I don't see America changing for the better. Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:19 PM (caAEA) What election since 2008 have dems won? 2010.. blowout.. NY... Mass..... Wisconsin.. Lugar kicked to the curb... Dems havent won a damn thing. Obama will be kicked to the curb in November. He who laughs last...

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 02:26 PM (DGIjM)

405

Did I miss the Tea Party riots that the Dems were promising would happen?

(And I bought a new pitchfork and everythingÂ…..)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 28, 2012 02:26 PM (0xqzf)

406 hey Morale Police: Shut the fuck up and fuck you. people want to vent, if you don't like it tough shit

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 02:27 PM (6OiNi)

407 Well, you may have, but it sucked for me.

Posted by: Zombie Wisconsin Federal officer who coine 'On Wisconsin' and bit the big one Gen. George Pickett at June 28, 2012 06:25 PM (c9Ivb)

Pickett wasn't killed at Gettysburg. Or in the war either. And he was a Virginian, even if he went to the Point from Wisconsin.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 02:27 PM (z1N6a)

408 Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:25 PM (caAEA) A political victory is sweeter than a legal one. Now, it's a matter of vox populi. No praetors.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:28 PM (mO2yo)

409 Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 06:25 PM (z1N6a) --- It was a one-state victory (not counting a few cities in Cali that same night) and not a nation-changing victory. Those always seem to go to the left. We win a few small battles, but the war tends to go their way. Why is that? I dearly want to be dead-wrong on this and would be happy to be proven so. Please.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:28 PM (caAEA)

410 hey Morale Police: Shut the fuck up and fuck you.

people want to vent, if you don't like it

tough shit

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 06:27 PM (6OiNi)

Hey morale police police.

tough shit.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 02:28 PM (z1N6a)

411

396 Yeah. Wisconsin. I'd trade a thousand Wisconsins for a victory over Obamacare.

___

Then you don't understand or appreciate the significance of what occurred in Wisconsin.

The ACA debacle is still a work in progress. The Wisconsin situation took away power and funds from the heart of the liberal movement - the public unions. Don't you know about the other SCOTUS ruling this week, that forbids SEIU from appropriating non-union workers' fund? That also was a huge decision. But if you are determined to be Mopey Myra today, that is certainly your prerogative. Please do carry on.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 02:29 PM (jm/9g)

412 So did all the Dem 'walkers' go out to the House parking lot and commit seppuku? Or maybe self immolation?

It's been a bad day, so I'm guessing no. I would bet they slung the word 'racists' around with great abandon.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 28, 2012 02:29 PM (ccXZP)

413 Did you just say Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal? Hellooo, Google. heh Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 06:15 PM (UOM4

Why Yes, Jane.. Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 02:29 PM (DGIjM)

414 The media likes me. They really like me.

Posted by: Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts at June 28, 2012 02:29 PM (Yhu4q)

415 November.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at June 28, 2012 02:30 PM (GvYeG)

416 #409

Well, I just wanted to be certain that you said Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 02:30 PM (UOM48)

417 It would seem to me that a publicly available database of who served and when would make a quick end to this practice.
And making it a simple misdemeanour to beat the crap out of them so it would be a $50 ticket and no record/jail time. And also add it as a simple misdemeanour to beat the crap out of anyone quoting a false veteran claimant over the airwaves or in print.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2012 02:31 PM (nrW1y)

418 Here Democrat congress. I changed your law a tad for you so I could pretend it's constitutional.

You're welcome.

Now will you invite me to your parties?

Please

Posted by: Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts at June 28, 2012 02:32 PM (Yhu4q)

419 The Wisconsin situation took away power and funds from the heart of the liberal movement - the public unions. --- In ONE State. Am I missing something? Unions can still force people to pay dues in New York, California, etc. Ok, unions are powerless...in Wisconsin. I will give you that. And yes, Obama might lose in November...to be replaced with Romney. There seems to be a certain window that keeps moving towards the progressive side. How do we stop that?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:32 PM (caAEA)

420 Great. Chrissy Tingle Boy loves him some John Roberts.

http://tinyurl.com/8xlqw9u

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 02:32 PM (UOM48)

421 412 #409 Well, I just wanted to be certain that you said Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal. Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 06:30 PM (UOM4

You did observe correctly.."Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal" is indeed what I typed..

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 02:32 PM (DGIjM)

422 Explaining a sock is like clubbing a harp seal. It sounds far more fun than it is.
Hey, leave us hosers out of it, Blue Hen.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2012 02:33 PM (nrW1y)

423 405 That is why November is so important. I know today sucked, but if we keep at 'em hard we can beat them into submission. It's going to take a few elections but I'm not about to give up yet. Where the hell else are we gonna go? Fuck those libtard assholes.

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 02:33 PM (O/fK8)

424

Obama needs a name change

SirTaxalot

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 02:33 PM (TomZ9)

425 Did you just say Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal?

****

What's this is hear about Eric Holder being a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal?

#SCOAMC

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 02:33 PM (piMMO)

426 Obama needs a name change
How do you like mine?

Posted by: chief justice oral roberts at June 28, 2012 02:34 PM (nrW1y)

427 Are y'all sure that Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 02:35 PM (d0Tfm)

428 It's a good thing to have Republican presidents because they appoint conservative SC justices

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 02:35 PM (Yhu4q)

429 In ONE State. Am I missing something? Unions can still force people to pay dues in New York, California, etc. Ok, unions are powerless...in Wisconsin. I will give you that. And yes, Obama might lose in November...to be replaced with Romney. There seems to be a certain window that keeps moving towards the progressive side. How do we stop that? Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:32 PM (caAEA) They are dead in Indiana now too. RTW... passed because Republicans won elections and hold the power.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 02:35 PM (DGIjM)

430 425 It's a good thing to have Republican presidents because they appoint conservative SC justices Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 06:35 PM (Yhu4q) Miss me yet?

Posted by: Dubbya at June 28, 2012 02:35 PM (mO2XR)

431 Geez. The problem isn't the Supreme Court. The problem is looking at the SCOTUS as the political arbiter of last resort. It isn't.

The arbiter of last resort is We, The People Of The United States. If we want our $1.7 Trillion tax hike, we can have our $1.7 Trillion tax hike.

Or we can vote out the people that created this monstrosity in the first place. It wasn't the Supreme Court that wrote the ACA. Elections matter and all of the finger-pointing in the world won't change the math.

2012 will be 2010 on steroids.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 02:35 PM (HjPtV)

432 337 I'm going to shove it down their fucking throats.

Fine.
Go for it.

I'm coming from the other end.
Meet you in the liver.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 02:36 PM (Qxdfp)

433 "And making it a simple misdemeanour to beat the crap out of them so it would be a $50 ticket and no record/jail time. And also add it as a simple misdemeanour to beat the crap out of anyone quoting a false veteran claimant over the airwaves or in print."

There is really nothing to add to that to make it any more awesome.

Posted by: MrShad at June 28, 2012 02:36 PM (Xqfwb)

434 oral roberts seems fitting i spose.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 02:36 PM (TomZ9)

435

baby puffin is back!!!

the fuzzy baby this time

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 02:37 PM (UaxA0)

436 424 Are y'all sure that Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal? Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 06:35 PM (d0Tfm) Thats the word on the street.. Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 02:37 PM (DGIjM)

437 So, any word on why this happened? FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. Â– A soldier from the 525th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade is dead and two others are wounded following a shooting incident at Fort Bragg on Thursday. During a unit safety brief, a soldier shot another member of the unit and then turned the weapon on himself. The shooter was injured and is in custody.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 02:37 PM (hZWla)

438 2012 will be 2010 on steroids. --- It fucking better be. Then we need to make sure 2014 is bigger than 2012, and so on and so forth. We can not afford to lose one more election...ever. We need to have permanent Republican majorities for at least a generation. Will we? If not...

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:38 PM (caAEA)

439

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:32 PM (caAEA)

___

Wisconsin is the birthplace of public unions. It was synonymous with the "progressive" movement. Wisconsin provided the template for other GOP governors in purple to blue states, and reinforces their resolve to confront union dominance in their jurisdictions. Governor Christie heads a deep blue state, and he didn't even need the Wisconsin repudiation to take place to enact his reforms...and Christie has a dem legislature.

Citizens in the private sector are tired of being leeched upon by public unions, and we exist everywhere, not just in ONE state.

How do we stop that?

By staying strong, continuing to fight and not giving up.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 02:38 PM (jm/9g)

440 I always expected what Ace called plan A, aka voting repub for federal offices, to happen in November. However, the supreme court could have been a shortcut to those ends, ending it. But now they made it OTaxJohnRobertsCare, so now, back to the original plan. Doesn't anyone remember? Most people were saying that the SCOTUS would vote to uphold the law, only after oral arguments did it seem that it would not.

So, get out and vote in November and get replacements for Ginsberg and Breyer in before the coward CJ votes to give the presidents dictatorial powers. . .

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 02:39 PM (M1gmo)

441 Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 06:35 PM (HjPtV) Yeah, fuck the Constitution. It was just taking up space anyway. They could replace it with a tour map, that would be useful. And restrict the power of politicians just about as much, apparently. /slight but only slight exaggeration

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 02:39 PM (bxiXv)

442 421 Obama needs a name change

SirTaxalot

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 06:33 PM (TomZ9)

***

appropriate.

He likes big butts, and he cannot lie.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 02:40 PM (jm/9g)

443 Or we can vote out the people that created this monstrosity in the first place. It wasn't the Supreme Court that wrote the ACA. Elections matter and all of the finger-pointing in the world won't change the math. 2012 will be 2010 on steroids. Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 06:35 PM (HjPtV) ****Wherein Shrimps stands up and applauds***

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 02:40 PM (DGIjM)

444 >>>House Finds Attorney General Holder In Contempt

Yeah, our little game show Free Republic we got parting gift right as the game ends. Do we get a home edition of the game too?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 02:40 PM (0q2P7)

445 the fox news piece on this has shit about "uncharted judicial territory" and something about how ultimately holder can overrule his own indictment and "face the political wrath" of that decision. anyone here knowledgeable enough to speak on this apparent legal conundrum? is this potentially an example of godel's internal constitutional inconsistency? xP

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 02:42 PM (79EF9)

446 What are the odds Mexico will want to extradite Obama and/or Holder for F&F? I am thinking slim to none?

Posted by: political correctness czar at June 28, 2012 02:43 PM (Q2Ne0)

447 "Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:38 PM (jm/9g)" The funny thing is that unions explicitly exist to conspire against their employers. If the meme about the People being the Government is true, then public unions exist explicitly to conspire against the People. But the People are too busy watching singing and dancing idiots or repeating quasimarxist memes to care.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:43 PM (mO2yo)

448 I won.

How 'bout them Heats?

Posted by: Baraka Odipshit at June 28, 2012 02:44 PM (TgZVh)

449 On a conference call with the CEO of Warner Pacific Insurance Services, thinks the politics of this will play out in the conservatives favor.

Notes that the Dems were ready and waiting in CA with even more burdensome legislation is they'd lost today.

Let that sink in: They had a backup plan that was even worse.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 02:44 PM (kSaUf)

450 Small consolation.

Posted by: Sgt. York at June 28, 2012 02:44 PM (pqW4Y)

451 Even if we elected Mitt Romney, that SCOTUS ruling still stands. You wanna tell me you trust President Romney and the Roberts Court? Really? One or the other...ok. But both? BOTH?!

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:45 PM (caAEA)

452 "Yeah, fuck the Constitution. It was just taking up space anyway."

Americans have announced the Death Of The Republic since 1788. It's survived the election of 1800, Dred Scott, Plessy vs Ferguson, the Roosevelt Decisions, Roe V. Wade etc., etc.,

It ain't over yet, pal. Our best days are ahead of us, and our greatest generations have not yet been born.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 02:45 PM (HjPtV)

453 Figures 250k to 300k pages of regulations that will come out of this bill.

---
now you see the total evil that Roberts has shackled us with? There is no silver lining here.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 02:46 PM (kSaUf)

454 Let that sink in: They had a backup plan that was even worse. Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 06:44 PM (kSaUf) Which they will engage in anyway at the first opportunity, because that's what they always do. Giving up ground hoping to stop an overconfident foe later pretty much never works.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 02:46 PM (bxiXv)

455 We need to repeal the bill and set term limits for justices

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 02:47 PM (M1gmo)

456

Let that sink in: They had a backup plan that was even worse.

I wonder if Roberts and the rest knew that? I seriously doubt if anything like that could've passed in the wake of a negative ruling. And IIRTR, it's CA and their main sport seems to be screwing themselves.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 02:47 PM (d0Tfm)

457

It could be worse, it could be raining.

Posted by: David of PA at June 28, 2012 02:47 PM (RHrNg)

458

The Dread Pirate Roberts.

There's a joke in there somewhere.....I'm still too gobsmacked to think of it.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 02:48 PM (0T8H7)

459 "Americans have announced the Death Of The Republic since 1788. It's survived the election of 1800, Dred Scott, Plessy vs Ferguson, the Roosevelt Decisions, Roe V. Wade etc., etc."

No, it didn't.

Posted by: nope at June 28, 2012 02:48 PM (cePv8)

460 Americans have announced the Death Of The Republic since 1788. It's survived the election of 1800, Dred Scott, Plessy vs Ferguson, the Roosevelt Decisions, Roe V. Wade etc., etc., --- Or maybe these were used as stepping stones to get us where we are today. Now future Courts have yet another stepping stone...and I cannot imagine the fucking nightmare that will bring. This is more than 'just' a painful loss. It is a huge, historical blow to liberty.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:48 PM (caAEA)

461 Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:45 PM (caAEA) Agree, the real issue of the day is that punitive taxes are in... or am I wrong?

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 02:48 PM (mO2XR)

462

We need to repeal the bill and set term limits for justices

Term limits for EVERY elected office or appointment.

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 02:48 PM (O/fK8)

463

@445 -

I think the populace is beginning to awaken...the middle class can't really give too much more. Ed Rendell is out there hawking his latest book, in which he devotes a chapter to his fight against the Philly municipal unions. Yes - Fast Eddie, former head of the DNC. He describes how the first thing he did as mayor was begin a public relations campaign. He had to get the people to understand the insane union work rules were creating an unsustainable financial situation. The unions tried to recall him, but they failed.

The point is: an education campaign has to be presented to the private sector who subsidizes the public workers. If Ed Rendell could be successful in the Dem stronghold of Philadelphia, any mayor or governor who is so inclined can do it.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 02:48 PM (jm/9g)

464 It ain't over yet, pal. Our best days are ahead of us, and our greatest generations have not yet been born. Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 06:45 PM (HjPtV) No, it's not over. But it sure as hell is worse than if we didn't have now *both* of these monstrosities to fight, the bill itself and the ruling that expands their power. Doesn't mean you give up, but underestimating the problem is a bad, bad idea. People who do that *feel* better, but the situation keeps getting worse.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 02:49 PM (bxiXv)

465 Says the tax is "extraordinarily weak" and will not keep people from gaming the system--pay the tax and force the insurance to cover them on the way to the hospital.
Says will kill the individual insurance market.

--
For me, I'm fucked. My wife and I are self-employed.
--
Says we'll end up with a individual health insurance market like NY, where the individual policy costs $1700 per month!!!

--
I am so fucking fucked.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 02:50 PM (kSaUf)

466 Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 06:45 PM (HjPtV) So we get to live in a dark age, an example to those after us. An example of what happens, yet again, when government gets way too much power. Fucking yay!

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 02:50 PM (mO2XR)

467 @445 yeah, pubsec unions open up all kinds of barrels chock full of conflicted-interest monkeys. but what about this idea that the u.s. attorney's office can essentially subvert the will of the people and declare that they find the contempt vote without grounding because obama invoked executive privilege? and the courts will first have to decide upon the invocation of executive privilege before it can even BEGIN to move proceed with a criminal investigation? how i'm reading this is -- and i must be wrong o.O -- is that as long as the current administration is in office, it cannot REALLY be held legally accountable to itself? at least, acting upon the law is sort of up to its own discretion? doesn't that make the doj even more of a blatantly self-conflicted entity when it comes to internal policing? i must be reading something wrong...or it's just not clicking why this is a good thing? i mean, was this contempt vote just some bullshit political posturing that the R's KNEW wouldn't go anywhere? :/

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 02:50 PM (79EF9)

468
384 381
I can't think of ONE victory that our side won. Not one. I don't see America changing for the better.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:19 PM (caAEA)

Wisconsin?

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 06:23 PM (M1gmo)

You simply can't talk some dumbasses out of dragging their dicks in the dirt. They enjoy their self-inflicted pain, fucking nutjobs.

Posted by: GOP Crybaby at June 28, 2012 02:50 PM (7+pP9)

469 we need to make everyone every.soingle. american. be held to all the same rules as they put on the populace

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 02:50 PM (TomZ9)

470 It's fucked up but Roberts has done the country a favor
Holder too

Posted by: Beto at June 28, 2012 02:51 PM (BAnPT)

471 "Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 06:45 PM (HjPtV) " Just because you're a hypochondriac who always thinks he's going to die, doesn't mean you won't eventually be right. But this isn't about hypochondria. It's about being beaten incessantly with a baseball bat. Sure, maybe you can survive the first few. Maybe you can survive quite a few. But you're not indestructible.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:51 PM (mO2yo)

472 Well boy, am I glad I didn't start sucking anybody's dick this morning!

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 28, 2012 02:51 PM (niZvt)

473 The point is: an education campaign has to be presented to the private sector who subsidizes the public workers. Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:48 PM (jm/9g) Let me know when you get started.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 02:51 PM (bxiXv)

474 Agree, the real issue of the day is that punitive taxes are in... or am I wrong? --- Unless they wrote some kind of rule limiting it to this one situation, nope. You ain't wrong. I didn't read the ruling, but it's a pretty safe bet that they didn't limit punitive taxes to the mandate, right? Oh, and because I care, just think: Americans elected one Barack Obama...they can do so again.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:51 PM (caAEA)

475 The answer is simple, but it certainly isn't easy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 02:51 PM (d0Tfm)

476 in fact i think the term civil servant should also be changed as they certainly aren't civil and do not seem to work for us .

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 02:52 PM (TomZ9)

477 "Posted by: GOP Crybaby at June 28, 2012 06:50 PM (7+pP9) " So what the fuck are you doing here, metacrybaby?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:52 PM (mO2yo)

478 It's fucked up but Roberts has done the country a favor
Holder too

Posted by: Beto at June 28, 2012 06:51 PM (BAnPT)

Put down the crack pipe.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 02:52 PM (BIRhA)

479 i'm just working on a wish list here. shrug.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 02:52 PM (TomZ9)

480 >>>Americans have announced the Death Of The Republic since 1788. It's survived the election of 1800, Dred Scott, Plessy vs Ferguson, the Roosevelt Decisions, Roe V. Wade etc., etc.,

>>>It ain't over yet, pal. Our best days are ahead of us, and our greatest generations have not yet been born.

Nothing truly ends, but our high water mark as a nation is behind us, much like Britain which has endured centuries longer than we have but has slowly wasted to nothing. If we ourselves or some future generation will be free again, it will not be under the Constituted Republic we have today.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 02:53 PM (0q2P7)

481 During a unit safety brief, a soldier shot another member of the unit and then turned the weapon on himself.
You mean something like this (sock) report, Y-Not?

Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2012 02:53 PM (nrW1y)

482 Obviously not the only one thinking this way: Implications of the new Â“tax-mandateÂ” http://tinyurl.com/82ful2g

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:53 PM (caAEA)

483 The Left is all about "the Movement." Moving. Long marches through institutions. Conservatism, to paraphrase WF Buckley, has been about standing at the crossroads of history and yelling STOP! What Andrew Breitbart understood is that STOP is not enough. We need a Movement of our own. Yes, I desperately wanted SCOTUS to say STOP. But if we can defeat Obamacare through elected legislators and executives (state and federal,) it will MOVE things. The huge significance of Wisconsin is that it proved we CAN move, that essential parts of Progressivism can be UNDONE.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 28, 2012 02:54 PM (C8mVl)

484

Well boy, am I glad I didn't start sucking anybody's dick this morning!

JeffB took care of that for all of us. He slobbered on Roberts' knob quite effectively.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 02:54 PM (BIRhA)

485 >>>Roberts has done the country a favor

I guess you can think of euthanasia as a favor.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 02:54 PM (0q2P7)

486 Oh, and because I care, just think: Americans elected one Barack Obama...they can do so again. Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:51 PM (caAEA) Blingity Bloo, creeping socialism continues apace! At this point I am convinced it is Human Nature to repeat this cycle till extinction... apparently we all got caught in the down cycle... bummer.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 02:54 PM (mO2XR)

487 Or maybe these were used as stepping stones to get us where we are today. Now future Courts have yet another stepping stone...and I cannot imagine the fucking nightmare that will bring. This is more than 'just' a painful loss. It is a huge, historical blow to liberty.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:48 PM (caAEA)

People need to stop apologizing and whitewashing for John Roberts, he is a prick and a complete fucking idiot for trying to contain the commerce clause since he just transferred all the old authority into the taxing authority of the Congress. We basically have the British Parliament now. Why have a Constitution anymore? Parliament is supreme in the UK and can change the government on a whim, I guess we can now too.

Well the first thing I move to do is to remove the filibuster and appoint 10 more conservative justices to the supreme court and retry the legislation. Why not do what FDR did. We have PRECEDENCE!

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 02:54 PM (M1gmo)

488

474 The answer is simple, but it certainly isn't easy. Posted by: BackwardsBoy

Yes, yes, but we don't discuss grandma's incontinence in polite company.

How funny was this though:

http://www.mlive.com/ news/detroit/index.ssf/2012/ 03/conspiracy_charges_dropped_aga.html

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 02:55 PM (UaxA0)

489 468 It's fucked up but Roberts has done the country a favor
Holder too
Posted by: Beto

I think you and I have different views on what a "favor" is.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 02:55 PM (I/Xad)

490

cool. i know right?

if i weren't naturally pessimeistic. I would really be stunned. now i'm just pissd that i was right.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 02:55 PM (TomZ9)

491 "Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 06:48 PM (jm/9g)" The problem is that Leftists tend to be much better at "educating" the public.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:55 PM (mO2yo)

492

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 06:51 PM (bxiXv)

___

Will do.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 02:55 PM (jm/9g)

493 -e

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 02:56 PM (TomZ9)

494

2012.....Vote! ....Like your life depends on it.

Because it does.

ObamaCare....it's not just a Healthcare Law, it's a Tax too.

ObamaCareTax....it's Bohica for all, rolled into one.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 02:56 PM (0T8H7)

495

That favor that just occured in your mouth?

You're welcome.

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at June 28, 2012 02:56 PM (BIRhA)

496 "This is more than 'just' a painful loss. It is a huge, historical blow to liberty."

Yeah, well, like Nathanael Greene reported during the Southern campaign of 1781: "We fight, get beat, rise and fight again".

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 02:56 PM (HjPtV)

497 @479 agreed that we've in principle regressed somewhat from the ruggedly individualist sense of personal responsibility that made america so great and so "unforgiving" in the minds of cradle-to-grave socialists. agreed that england, too, had fallen far from the glory of her imperialist days. but given...we're still RELATIVELY a lot better than the rest of the world, right? everyone else has gone so collectivist, they've totally immersed themselves in this mire of entitlement leeches and economically acidic regulations. we're going down, but we're still the most free, or at least very close to being the most free, nation on earth, yeah? so our little sociolegal experiment is not quite irredeemable yet!

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 02:57 PM (79EF9)

498 Looks like we're just gonna have to undo Obamacare ourselves. And speaking of dick suckers: why is it never LIBERAL justices that betray their own ideology? But sure as my schwang is long... Roberts slipped us an extra spicy link of pepperoni the first time he caught us turning the other cheek. Asshole.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 28, 2012 02:57 PM (niZvt)

499

Personally. I just want to beat the shit out of something or somebody. Might not be the smart thing to do, but at this piont, it would make me feel better.

We are so fucking boned.

Posted by: Steph at June 28, 2012 02:57 PM (S7Doe)

500 Here's a little mood clip.

http://youtu.be/u1EzU9sLQ6I

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 02:58 PM (0q2P7)

501 The question of the day is, "now what?" It's a bigger question than you think. The answer isn't "we get rid of Obama". The answer isn't "we get more conservatives in Congress". The answer isn't "we try for term limits on Justices". Those aren't answers. We can't erase precedent in the highest court in America. The dump that Roberts took on the Constitution will still leave a visible stain long after it's been washed.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 02:58 PM (caAEA)

502 One of my FB friends (total lib) is trying to tell me that the mandate/tax is not enforceable. I hadn't heard that before... can someone clue me in? Posted by: Gran

Um, that's the opposite of the result. It will be enforced through the IRS and new taxes to pay for this mess have already started.

The only minor, slight unknown here is that states can withdraw from parts of the bill without penalty. How or what parts, I have no idea.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 28, 2012 02:59 PM (famk3)

503 Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 06:50 PM (79EF9) The fundamental mistake was adopting the Roman Imperial executive political model instead of the Roman Republican one.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 02:59 PM (mO2yo)

504 That favor we did you on December 7?

You're welcome.

Posted by: The Japanese at June 28, 2012 02:59 PM (I/Xad)

505 449 Even if we elected Mitt Romney, that SCOTUS ruling still stands. You wanna tell me you trust President Romney and the Roberts Court? Really? One or the other...ok. But both? BOTH?!

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:45 PM (caAEA)

Dude - a garden. Seriously consider starting one otherwise you're just going to spin yourself into a depressive funk.

The one good thing - and bad too - about the future is that no one can really predict it. So all the bad futures in your mind - probably not gonna happen.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 28, 2012 02:59 PM (pAlYe)

506

same feeling i got everytime we had a debt battle in the last 3 years.

but worse

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 02:59 PM (TomZ9)

507 Says he doesn't hear a lot of talk among the large employers (50 to 100+) about them dropping their plans and sending their employees to the exchanges.
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I think the ACA has a huge secondary purpose--make the free man, the entrepreneur a criminal or drive him out of business.
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Says the exchange notion will not work because they (employers) will have to narrow it just to keep in manageable. HR isn't going to deal with 20+ options for their employers. Will limit ins. co. and limit doctors.
Notes that the small-employer exchange in MA has very little participation.

The individual exchange will only be used by those who didn't have coverage or were un-insurable = drive up costs for everyone.
Notes that this exact thing caused a shortage of care in MA and did nothing to reduce people going to the ER. Notes waiting time for seeing a doctor in MA has gone up.
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Thanks, Mitt Rombly.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 02:59 PM (kSaUf)

508 It's strange that nobody ever becomes more conservative while in Wash DC. But almost all of them become more big govt.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 03:00 PM (7YQvL)

509 Well boy, am I glad I didn't start sucking anybody's dick this morning!

I'm not glad that I didn't suck any dick this morning.

:'-(

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 28, 2012 03:00 PM (lyStv)

510 kallisto: "The ACA debacle is still a work in progress. The Wisconsin situation took away power and funds from the heart of the liberal movement - the public unions." The Dems are hoping to replace the dying unions with illegals and the beneficiaries of ObamaCare in future elections. The public unions are doomed anyway. A few Dems have been talking today that now it is time to get to work on unionizing doctors as an industry. So, yes, WI is small potatoes.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (YcTIW)

511 Re: medicaid ruling... still looking for an answer. The states were mandated to cover more people through medicaid by creating exchanges. States may opt out and face no punishment from the gov for doing so, at least according to this ruling. So if states opt out, more people will not be covered, so what is the point of keeping any of this?

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (ucs8Y)

512

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at June 28, 2012 06:56 PM (BIRhA)

Heh.

But that should prolly be "The"Dread Justice Roberts.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (0T8H7)

513 ABC News radio doesnt seem too interested in Holder.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (80Qb8)

514 OT but where are the presstitutes' instant polls showing big support for the asshumping given America by the Supremes? Hmmmm.

Posted by: eureka! at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (xCpfo)

515 Yes we can erase precedent. Liberal justices do it all the time. We reversed the Dredd Scott case, we can reverse this. Someone just needs to tell the court they do not have the power to do this. They cannot make law, which is what John Roberts did. They had to take the merits of the case and the plain writing of the bill and decide on those, not try to split the baby and change the law itself. There needs to be punishment for the court, and any others that do this. Impeachment is one that sounds good to me...

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (M1gmo)

516 "Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:51 PM (caAEA) " Not really. They stopped making them a while back.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (mO2yo)

517 Mr. Pink writes: 375 WTF is the point of voting even when we "win" we lose. Good God. Do yourself a favor and check out David McCullough's "1776" from your local library. Note how men act in the face of adversity. Look in mirror. Rinse and repeat.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (0VqvZ)

518 500 The question of the day is, "now what?" Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 06:58 PM (caAEA) We have to actually wait until it's implemented and try to take it back to the court based on some or all of the many grounds we've been discussing. Provided we don't go completely bankrupt and collapse before then, which is more likely now than it was before the decision. People gloss over just how shockingly bad the financial situation is if they themselves haven't been boned yet. Or, if we do get a "huge wave" in November (please please), we pound on them constantly until the repeal and don't just make minor adjustments to it. And then we can't do anything about the HORRIFYING precedent until the next time the left tries to use it to make us all buy Volts or stop using AC or whatever.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 03:02 PM (bxiXv)

519 RE: Where's the America I know, etc.

The only way to get that America back is to go over the cliff and experience the pain. Anything short of that is kicking the can, and that is the problem. Going over the cliff would be excruciatingly painful but ultimately rewarding. With the added bonus that our enemy would finally be shown for the evil it is, and therefore could be killed, once and for all.

"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph" --Thomas Paine

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at June 28, 2012 03:03 PM (zpqa2)

520 sooth, they would if they actually had to follow all the same dictates and laws they impose

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 03:03 PM (TomZ9)

521 @497 for ONE vote? what about kennedy? all of a sudden, since justice SANDY OL'COOTER has resigned, he's sort of positioned himself to be the all-powerful-swing-vote, centre-of-media-attention justic, hasn't he? it's kind of unctuous, isn't it? roberts has been reliably conservative on most rulings major and minor. i don't see why people are so quick to condemn him. i guess it's the sting of such a major recent loss, but to suggest that roberts is somehow a liberal justice because he felt it was prudent to essentially allow congress a terminological mulligan is a bit much. y'all are just jealous of his hair at 60!

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:03 PM (79EF9)

522 We can't erase precedent in the highest court in America. True Dat!!!! Once Prohibition was voted in, it stayed in!

Posted by: Adriane at June 28, 2012 03:04 PM (qmMAj)

523 I believe I read earlier that Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 03:04 PM (UOM48)

524 Ok. Now open wide. I want to do you a favor.

Posted by: The Dread Justice Roberts at June 28, 2012 03:04 PM (BIRhA)

525 Though the whole sad obamacare saga, I kept finding reasons to hope:
Well, this will never get through congress. *wrong*
Well, it will never get through _both_ houses...the whole Scott Brown thing killed it. *wrong*
Certainly this is unconstitutional. No court could possibly uphold it. *wrong*
Well...the S.C. will certainly kill it. *wrong*

If nothing else, we will overturn it after November...Right?

Posted by: MrShad at June 28, 2012 03:04 PM (Xqfwb)

526 Enough negativism!

Norway just came up with a new way to reduce unemployment:
http://is.gd/5wV9zR

Posted by: Zombie Mister Rogers at June 28, 2012 03:04 PM (knMIa)

527

Yes, yes, but we don't discuss grandma's incontinence in polite company.

Not so loud, she'll wake up and hear us. MargDV spelled out pretty much what I was about to say. We absolutely have to concentrate on reinforcing the House, taking the Senate with a 60-vote majority, and putting Mitt in the Oval Office.

That's the only way I can think of to move things back to some semblance of a constitutional republic like we once had. We have to take control of our government, because we certainly don't control it now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 03:05 PM (d0Tfm)

528 Our high-water mark is not behind us. It is before us. One setback and its sackcloth and ashes. Bullshit.

The cause of liberty is greater than any one man or woman. It is far greater than any political party or judicial court. We are Americans - we own ourselves and value our freedom dearly.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 03:05 PM (HjPtV)

529 >>>so our little sociolegal experiment is not quite irredeemable yet!

I see no road from where we are to freedom. We simply can't get there from here, we have to go someplace else first. Please describe how with an essentially unrestrained federal government we can find freedom? We must first re-restrain the federal government, that's a 100 year job if every break goes our way.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 03:05 PM (0q2P7)

530 Even Krauthammer just condemned what Roberts did.....said he was probably trying to 'avoid' being too partisan.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 03:05 PM (0T8H7)

531 Granny Pelosi wore her "lucky purple pumps" today, the same ones she wore when Obamacare was passed.

This from our little Sheppy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 03:06 PM (UOM48)

532 @521 to be fair, both major prohibition decisions -- the initial outlaw and the repeal -- were congressional, not judicial.

but your point is taken. plessy v ferguson?

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:06 PM (79EF9)

533

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:03 PM (79EF9)

No conservative would vote to uphold the biggest power grab by the government, ever. You are smoking some good shit.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 03:07 PM (M1gmo)

534

He only did that because he actually had to pay bills in Philly.

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Yes, that's true, it was a big gold star on his resume and that's how he caught the attention of the rest of the state who then voted him to the Governorship. Restoring the city's bond rating was not exactly a cakewalk, he brought business back to the city and Philadelphia was known nationally for something other than the MOVE fiasco.

The discussion was about how even a freaking Democrat can win against the public unions. The Democrat mayors who followed Rendell reverted to form and Philadelphia is in a deeper financial hole than when Fast Eddie took office.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 03:07 PM (jm/9g)

535 531: It would take a completely different People to get rid of this. We are not those People. Hell, you think we'd get rid of Prohibition in 2012? Really?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 03:07 PM (caAEA)

536

I predicted that ObamaCare would be struck down. I was wrong. But, to put some spin on things:

Florida won their suit against the Feds, to purge their voter rolls of inelegible voters, and to gain access to the relevant Federal database.

It looks like very many more voters are energized, and energized against the Democrats.

ObamaCare was upheld ... as a tax. It was declared "not a tax" by Teh JEF and Co., and seemingly no "tax" arguments were presented to the SCOTUS. Somehow, Roberts used the tax theory to uphold ObamaCare.

So ObamaCare is a tax, Teh JEF must now defend it as such ... and the employed middle class does not want it, or its provsions, government bureaucrat interference, Death Panels and Broccoli Mandate ... and the middle class will vote

.. and someone needs to explain how Robert's seeming last minute reversal of opinion and discovery of not-argued arguments is not like the Illinois SC finding Rahm to be elegible to run for Mayor of Chicago, the town that gave us Teh JEF ...

Meanwhile, Romney apparently took in $1,000,000 in the 4 or so hours following the SCOTUS announcement, and has made repeal of ObamaCare one of his top priorities.

Holder has been found in contempt of Congress by the House. Whether he is pardoned or not (and how would a pardon before November look?) is a ~~small thing~~ major concern for the voters ... make this a big issue over the next 4 months.

F and F will be all over the news, the MBM will try to spin things, until they are seen to fail, and the 300+ dead Mexicans are plastered all over the news ... and the attempted use of Executive Privilege ... it directly links Teh JEF to Holder, to F and F, and to the body count.

How will the DC DA act? The attempted use of Executive Privilege ... quite Nixonian, just like Watergate ... will he stall? Expect lots of maneuvering, and little help from the Democrats in Congress. It's an election year, almost The Election Month. Remember, Watergate with a body count . .. and I can see November from my house.

This things will be all over the news for the next 4 months. But I feel better.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 28, 2012 03:07 PM (QXHZD)

537 Says if employers start to dump their employees onto the feds, the feds will draft regulations to force them to continue to cover their employees. I.e. "you will pay more, business owner."
Says the employees are going to go to defined contribution plan with only benefits for a plans that cost up to a certain amount.
Because of that--because their employer offers a plan--the regulations will prevent employees from going out and qualifying for subsidies for a better plan, forcing them to take the employer's plan.
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surprise, surprise--this law will make the employers the villain.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 03:09 PM (kSaUf)

538 "Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 06:57 PM (79EF9) " "The leper with the most fingers!" "Hey baby, how you doing?"

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:09 PM (mO2yo)

539 Jeebus, at the end of the day all that matters is that we win elections. If the Supreme Court had gone our way and tossed out Ocare, and then we lost in November, what would that have gotten us? A few months reprieve until Obama sent up two or three or four more liberal Justices? Hoping the Supreme Court is going to dig us out of our electoral weakness is like hoping your Dad is going to safe you from that fistfight. Except you're not a kid, you're an adult. Act like one. Elections have consequences. Indeed, in political terms they have ALL the consequences. If we want to be relevant and able to fight, we need to win the elections. All the rest is just whining.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 03:09 PM (0VqvZ)

540 @528 oh, i think restraining the power of the federal gov't is a MAJOR step along the way to recovery of american pre-eminence. but obamatax ruling didn't give the gov't any more power than they already had under the constitution. constitutionally, there's nothing to prevent congress from having passed obamatax explicity as a tax...but there are certainly repercussions at the poll-boxes that would make them think twice! the inelegance of this "pragmatist" decision is that it gives congress a freebie on having to own up to levying a "tax" -- something that would undoubtedly have played a KEY role in the deliberations and ultimate decisions of at-risk congresspeople. it's not like congress was given a lot more power, here. even if they try to pass a tax in the future that punishes abstention from activity (like, for example, for not having energy-efficient appliances in the home), they still have to face up to poll-wise consequences. taxes are unpopular. you're not gonna see a whole rush of new taxes because of the obamatax decision.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:10 PM (79EF9)

541

523 Ok. Now open wide. I want to do you a favor.

Posted by: The Dread Justice Roberts at June 28, 2012 07:04 PM (BIRhA)

Hah!

Oh noes.

Duck! ....Not another favor!

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 03:11 PM (0T8H7)

542 "Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at June 28, 2012 06:59 PM (pAlYe)" Actually, I can predict it. Heat Death. Unless you believe in the Big Crunch.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:13 PM (mO2yo)

543
Good God. Do yourself a favor and check out David McCullough's "1776" from your local library. Note how men act in the face of adversity. Look in mirror. Rinse and repeat. Posted by: Boston12GS

This was before UAV's, constant communication monitoring, satellite photography, significant differences in military and civilian weaponry, and a company-sized or better military "police" force in every hamlet.

The solution they resorted to is pretty far out of reach, even if it wasn't such a monumentally bad idea right now.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 03:14 PM (UaxA0)

544 One thing that is called for a constitutional amendment redefining the exact meaning of the commerce clause. Instead of bullshit like banning alcohol, repealing the ban on alcohol, giving bleeding vagina liberals the right to vote, and lowering the voting age down to childish imbecile, we should fucking define exactly what "commerce" the commerce clause refers to and make it explicitly clear it does NOT open to ANY "implied" BS whatsoever. Oh, and someone needs to take matters in their own hands and sure that Justice Roberts wakes up tomorrow with a naked Nancy Pelosi impaled on his morning wood. That would be sweet justice.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 28, 2012 03:15 PM (niZvt)

545 "Joffen writes: 500 We can't erase precedent in the highest court in America." Really? I don't think that means what you think it means. Precedent has been "erased" plenty of times in our history. And always easier when the "precedent" had little if no majority public support to begin with.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 03:15 PM (0VqvZ)

546 @541 what about dynamical lambda? xP a lot of theories now predict that entropy cannot increase as fast at maximum theoretical entropy, given a universe expanding faster than c.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:16 PM (79EF9)

547 So, ok he's in contempt. What did they accomplish. It'll be in the courts till well after the election and will be used to usher in BO for another term as the republicans were playing politics, right? Even that blond next to brett beier was like ok, now so what? They pushed the worst of obamacare into 2014 and so now we have the first attorney general to be sanctioned, and what did they accomplish?

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 03:17 PM (oZfic)

548 "Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 07:00 PM (7YQvL)" DC is a swamp full of swine, and the Mecca of all swine. What do you expect?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:17 PM (mO2yo)

549 @547 that's my question! does anyone here have the expertise to explain to me what exactly the R's were hoping to accomplish, given the facts presented in the URL i linked from this comment? seems like empty political posturing...that they KNEW wouldn't go anywhere!

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 03:19 PM (79EF9)

550 Notes that about 20% of what we on the private side pay is because we are subsidizing those on Medicare--and the ACA adds more people to Medicare.

Notes that in AL, they are basically a single-carrier market (95% on BCBS)--due to the state laws. So, the public option would actually introduce competition in many states.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 03:19 PM (kSaUf)

551 >>>Jeebus, at the end of the day all that matters is that we win elections.

>>>If the Supreme Court had gone our way and tossed out Ocare, and then we lost in November, what would that have gotten us?

Not true. The US is to far gone. We really had to win them both. And precedents are big things. They usually last a couple decades at the least.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 03:19 PM (0q2P7)

552 "Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 28, 2012 07:00 PM (lyStv) " Nice try. But we know you did.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:19 PM (mO2yo)

553 There comes a time where it becomes painfully obvious that, even if we were to win, the thing that we're fighting for...just isn't worth it.
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Horse hockey.

The fight for liberty and freedom is ALWAYS worth it. Always.

We've taken a hard blow today. But we must continue to fight, even if we might be doomed to lose, because it is the right thing to do.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at June 28, 2012 03:20 PM (A2LXE)

554

Do you really think we're the same people as in 1776? 1861? 1941?

Essentially, yes. My family's been here since 1750. There seems to be a spirit unique to this land, which is why our enemies are so eager to dilute it by doing clearly illegal things like not closing the Mexican border. The anti-Christ George Soros named his "charity" the Open Society Institute for a reason.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 03:21 PM (d0Tfm)

555 "Posted by: soothsayer at June 28, 2012 07:02 PM (80Qb

" Well, he's not a White Hispanic, now is he. Anyways, like a wise man once said: A dead Trayvon is a national tragedy. 300 Dead Crackers, a statistic. And a damn good beginning.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:23 PM (mO2yo)

556 imp writes: 542 The solution they resorted to is pretty far out of reach, even if it wasn't such a monumentally bad idea right now. You misunderstand. I'm NOT advocating revolution. Absolutely not. I'm advocating intestinal fortitude. Determination in the face of adversity. The ability to get back up after getting knocked down. And again. And again. Progressives are old and tired and childless and broke and lacking in any meaningful sense of honor. Faced with determined resistance they'll run back to their little shrinking sinecures of academia and public employee unions and main stream media, and wither away. All we need to do is not grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 03:24 PM (0VqvZ)

557

OK.... just reaquainted myself with Roberts new Tax...

If your company does not give you insurance, they will pay a fine of $2000. You will pay a fine of up to $695 if uninsured...

thus... for the low low price of $2695 per employee and an additional $695 per family member... you can stay off of insurance until you get sick.

Then because they cannot use health or pre existing conditions to decide your rate, or to give you insurance or not... when sick, you get insurance... they pay... then when healthy again, you stop paying your premiums.

There is no prevision to reimburse the insurance companies for the additional cost.

This is nothing more than a plan to destroy the health insurance industry, while giving more tax dollars to the Government... because the TAX does NOT go to health providers, but only to subsidize your health coverage during the time you are ill, and paying your insurance.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 03:27 PM (lZBBB)

558 What's the big deal? I've held Obama in contempt from the first time I saw him on my TV. Alfred E. Neuman in blackface.

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 28, 2012 03:27 PM (niZvt)

559 Notes that when Medicare was passed, life expectancy was 65, now it is 78. Means-based testing is coming along with shifting costs from acute care to primary care.
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or: hello death panels.
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Notes that the exchanges in the MA market has added uninsured but has strained services and driven up costs.
Seems he said something like the insurers in the individual exchange in MA were suffering a 15% or 20% loss? Not sure the term he used.

Says that, again, the ACA will kill the individual market and we'll likely see people forced back into the group market.
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There's a reason I'm not in a group market (through the Chamber of Commerce)--it's $400 a month more than what I pay now. I know, I looked.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 03:28 PM (kSaUf)

560 Mike the Moose writes: 551 Not true. The US is to far gone. We really had to win them both. And precedents are big things. They usually last a couple decades at the least. Ok, so quit. Sheesh. That's quite the plan. How wars are won, and all that. For Pete's sake, we're coming off a massive shellacking of the Democrat electorate less than 24 months ago, we only have more motivation and political ammo today to do the same in less than 6 months, and people are falling all over themselves to give up. Pathetic. Well, if that's all you had to offer, I feel sorry for you, but good riddance. A lot of the rest of us plan to keep on fighting.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 03:29 PM (0VqvZ)

561 "Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:03 PM (79EF9) " "An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague." -- Cicero

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (mO2yo)

562 So, ok he's in contempt. What did they accomplish.

http: //www.youtube.com/ watch?v=P4yqbLHYbcI

It'd make for a good new tradition.

Couldn't find the original scene. Lots of re-quoting though.

Posted by: DaveA at June 28, 2012 03:30 PM (EyTMo)

563 Says the notion that this is a stealth plan to move to single payer won't work: Who's got the money?
Says the NYC Empire plan is a single payer and a monopoly and they get maybe a dozen 20 year olds sign up a year.
Same result in ME and KY--highly regulated markets you'd expect to have a natural constituency for single payer and there is no chance there either.
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But, when has no money ever stopped the Dems before--They'll just shout: "Make the rich pay for it!!"

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 03:32 PM (kSaUf)

564 "Posted by: Adriane at June 28, 2012 07:04 PM (qmMAj)" Not really related.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:32 PM (mO2yo)

565 "Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:04 PM (UOM4

" Could be. They don't call him Eric "the Dick" Holder for nothing you know.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:33 PM (mO2yo)

566

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:10 PM (79EF9)

Sorry, but you are wrong. The Constitution allows for capitated Taxs, or Income Taxs... it does not give them the power to use the Tax system as a punishment for incorrect behaviour.

The Federal power to Tax is NOT absolute under the Constitution... although Roberts seems to think it is.

This is now a Tax on whether you have a contract or not... not on income... and as the Tax exempts certain religious groups, AND States can get an exemption for their citizens.... then the tax is NOT uniform thoughout these United States.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 03:33 PM (lZBBB)

567 Look, I was so shocked and angry today, I felt like I was going to start crying at my desk. You know what stopped me? The memory of Crying Cheese Boy blubbering that "democracy died today" when Walker won. Do I want to look like a conservative version of Crying Cheese Boy? Do you? Yeah, it's OK to feel disappointed and angry. But give up the fight? Joffen, you say the character of Americans has changed. Yeah, I guess it has because Americans in '42 didn't say "Oh, Christ, it's hopeless. Why even try?"

Posted by: Donna V. at June 28, 2012 03:36 PM (EflcN)

568 "Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 07:05 PM (HjPtV) " Well, Americans don't really own themselves. Haven't you been paying attention?

Oh, and freedom is for racists. It was invented by Dead Caucasian Males, and they used it to conquer the world. It is evil.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:44 PM (mO2yo)

569 Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:05 PM (0T8H7) Even Charles Johnson, Andrew Sullivan, and David Frumm (how many ms?) will condemn this.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 03:47 PM (mO2yo)

570 Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 05:54 PM (UOM4

I'm a guy who passed his 701 and 702 Microsoft A-Plus certifications who has been laid off for one and a half years as well as a lot of electronics training. I'm a peacetime Vet who never served in combat, and I have the DD214 to prove it. I need a job and would be willing to relocate. Just saying.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 28, 2012 04:00 PM (ZOf1l)

571 "Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (79EF9) " I'm not sure what you're saying. Energy (per Big Bang) is finite. Tangentially, I believe in an infinite number of Big Bangs since the vacuum is (spatially) infinite, and if it happened once...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 28, 2012 04:01 PM (mO2yo)

572 Joffen you're just trying to rationalize your uninvolvement in the fighting. Recognize it for what it is and gird your loins-

Posted by: DAve at June 28, 2012 04:02 PM (h+/7G)

573

Sam Adams indeed:

Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say "what should be the reward of such sacrifices?" Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom Â— go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Posted by: DAve at June 28, 2012 04:15 PM (h+/7G)

574

@158/Joffen. I am sure I am too late on this thread and your plea for our country. You must remember, that even with this, we ARE the most free country there is in this sorry world. You can start with a small idea and make your fortune; you can buy a home and offer comfort to those you love. It IS worth fighting for. I was never a Reagan person, but I heard one speech he gave about freedom and the shining beacon. We still are that and will continue to fight. There is nothing else.

Romney was not my choice either. But look at his background - he took over businesses, streamlined them and made them prosper. He IS the man for this job at this time. He can streamline, eliminate, rebuild. I am on board with this in mind. Do not give up or in.

Posted by: Calyx the HopinToBAnswered at June 28, 2012 04:36 PM (N15SX)

575 Ok, I am only a half slave now. Half of all my income goes to government.

So another 10%? I am so happy to have what is left. Thank you Barry for not making me a full time slave.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 04:36 PM (KZI7g)

576 If this had come a day early, I'd be drinking heavily in celebration. Since it came after the Obamacare decision disaster, I'll have to drink heavily in sorrow instead. Either way, I'm gonna need some more to drink...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 04:39 PM (XvHmy)

577

More Adams:

Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty.

Buck up- nothing being asked of you is a fraction of what was asked of those brave men who sacrificed and risked sacrificing everything they had so that you could sit back in air-conditioned comfort and talk yourself out of any sacrifice on your part

Posted by: DAve at June 28, 2012 04:43 PM (h+/7G)

578 So now what?

Posted by: Gault Falcon at June 28, 2012 04:43 PM (evTki)

579

What the fuck makes you optimistic types think "we can vote our way out of this"? Fuck! We voted our way into it. For over One Hundred Fucking Years!

These unconstitutional laws have been passed by elected legislators, signed by elected governors and presidents, and found to pass muster by our courts.

Do you think the next congress is of the mettle to erase 100 years of "progress' in one or two sessions? Get realistic in your expectations, it's not going to happen.

If we had another 50 years of rail in front of us, this could be reversed by voting. But this train is almost out of track. Or doesn't anyone remember Monty's Doom threads, with charts showing exponential growth of deficits beginning fucking now, due to the aging boomers?

We can't tax our way out of this fiscal mess. We can't grow-the-economy our way out of this fiscal mess. We can't slash-spending-even-entitlements our way out of this mess without some sort of default.

And we sure as hell wont be voting our liberty back, not after all these decades of SCOTUS precedence in our way.

You can try all you want to stay positive, but the facts, history, law, and Magic EightBall all conspire against you.

I'm with the Eeyores on this. At least today. The sky IS falling. We're doomed....yadda yadda.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2012 04:59 PM (ORvjs)

580 @566 sorry, but you'll have to do a better job. excise taxes are coercive BY DESIGN. there are tax incentives for going to school or getting married or having kids. federal licencing fees to sell lotto tickets and hard liquor are in essence "taxes by any other name". so it is well-established precedent that taxes can be used to coerce behaviours...it's just also well-established precedent that when the congress wants to establish a NEW TYPE OF TAX that coerces a NEW TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR, they have to own the tax language -- and the poll-wise repercussions -- in their own wording of the bill. i don't like the ruling. i think roberts fucked up allowing congress a mulligan. but per the constitutional and other judicial precedent, congress' CONSTITUTIONAL POWER to levy such a tax is not in question. hell, even the conservative defence doesn't say that congress can't tax not buying healthcare...it just says that, as the law is written, it does NOT provide for interpretation as "a new tax" with a rather expanded purview. you'd do well to actually read the opinion, rather than parroting the radio guys who have either never practised law or haven't practised it for MANY years. you might also do well to acquaint yourself with terminiology before you deploy it...your assertion that congress is congressionally authorised to levy "capitated taxs" is DIRECTLY contradictory to congressional law...in fact, congress is explicitly PROHIBITED from exercising capitations (i.e., "poll taxes"), which are essentially taxes levied upon citizens just for existing.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 05:01 PM (79EF9)

581 Tomorrow's another story, but today....fuckit

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2012 05:02 PM (ORvjs)

582 So they stage a walkout; and any "low information" voters who don't know how many House members there are think the vote was about 4:1 for contempt charges.

Good plan... don't make it even look close; because that'll show support for him, by making him look less palatable.

Posted by: gekkobear at June 28, 2012 05:13 PM (FYX6y)

583 @571 the concept of "heat death" had nothing do to with TOTAL energy, just with FREE energy/informational energy. "heat death" is expected to occur because the universe should eventually reach its maximum entropy with a perfectly even distribution of free energy, thereby preventing any additional work from ever being done. basically, "heat death" is when there are no more entropic dof in the entire universe, or alternatively when there is no more "potential energy" of any sort that hasn't already been converted into work. i guess your understanding of "heath death" isn't on the level i thought it might have been; you seem to think it has something to do with the expansion of finite TOTAL MASS-ENERGY DENSITY across an space approaching infinite volume, but that's not EXACTLY a proper understanding of "heat death", although does constitute ONE of the pathways whereby heat death could occur... however, since heat death as an entropic phenomenon is actually the end result of the big-crunch conjecture, it's a false premise to dichotomise "heat death" and "big crunch" in the first place -- the scenario you are describing as "heat death" is actually, i take it, the "big freeze" -- the type of heat death in which the energy density in an infinitely-expanding universe approaches zero. but with a dynamical lambda, such a "big-freeze" heat death is unapproachable...and indeed, if the universe is increasing faster than the maximal rate of information transmission, doesn't there HAVE to be dynamical lambda? i guess there are perfectly finely tuned universes circumventing that necessity, but i have trouble believing the universe is really just an inelegant hodge-podge of JUST-SO perfect constants. so it seems logical to accept that the universe can NEVER reach its maximal state of entropy if it is expanding faster than information can ever travel. remember, we don't really have a great idea of just HOW the universe is expanding, or even what the expansion of the universe means for the mass-energy that constitutes it!

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 05:17 PM (79EF9)

584 @571 also, define "the vacuum". WHY does it have to spatially infinite? what, in fact, does "spatially" even mean in the "existence" outside of the known universe? could anything have even been said to be "spatial" or "temporal" BEFORE the big bang? many modern theories conjecture that physical "spacetime", at least as understood by general relativity and any sort of QFT, came into EXISTENCE at t=0. so what's "space" or "time" outside of the known universe? o.o yes, if such a universally external "vacuum space" is infinite, and of course the confuguration spaces can only be finite, the so-called anthropic principle can be invoked into overdrive...somewhere along the infinite vacuum, after all, parciles would come together and make up you and i as we are in this universe having this EXACT SAME CONVERSATION...and somewhere in the infinite vacuum there would be a configuration of particles whereby our conversational roles would be exactly flipped, etc... so everything "is" because it just happens to be. but that's too easy, and it just hurts my head too much besides! i'm a fan of ockham in physical theory. why postulate something that can NEVER be tested? i just want to know as much as actually i can...i'll leave the rest of that epistemology unavailable stuff to hindu philosophy xD

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 05:25 PM (79EF9)

585 So this is like IMPEACHING Bill Clinton Big Fuckin' Deal What ya gonna do Vote people out of office and replace them with their clone. Bwahahahahahahahah The United States is a Democracy...ie Mob Rule AMERICA was a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC...that both Democrats and Republicans Killed. roflmmfao

Posted by: donabernathy at June 28, 2012 05:42 PM (BbZYd)

586 When relying on the technique of gun-walking, federal agents tried to track suspected illicit gun-buyers instead of arresting them. The hope was that the low-level "straw" purchasers would lead law enforcement to major arms-traffickers, enabling the agents to dismantle networks that had put tens of thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. In Operation Fast and Furious, the tracking effort failed. The operation identified over 2,000 illicitly purchased weapons. Some 1,400 of them have yet to be recovered.

The emails by Holder and Cole followed a hurried assurance by the Justice Department on Feb. 4, 2011, to Sen. Chuck Grassley, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee. No such tactic was used, the Justice Department said in a letter to Grassley. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives "makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico," the letter added. The letter was based on incorrect assurances supplied to the Justice Department by the U.S. Attorney's office in Phoenix and by ATF officials. The department withdrew the Feb. 4 letter on Dec. 2, 2011, after documenting what had taken place not only in Operation Fast and Furious, but in three other gun-walking operations going back to 2006.

I love the line about "In Operation Fast and Furious, the tracking effort failed." It didn't fail, there was no attempt to track the weapons.

Also, "The letter was based on incorrect assurances supplied to the Justice Department by the U.S. Attorney's office in Phoenix". The U.S. Attorney in Phoenix was Dennis K. Burke. Exactly, how does a U.S. Attorney "go rogue" ? Does Eric Holder have no control over his own U.S. Attorney ?

Posted by: Frank Nitti at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (e8kgV)

587 NEW YORK -- The NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating after the words "Allah Wakbar" were found written on a granite seat at the Sept. 11 memorial on Tuesday, law enforcement sources tell NBC 4 New York.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (e8kgV)

588

Let me just say that quitters like the ones we have seen on this thread, willing to throw away what so many have sacrificed so much for, need to make sure if they ain't gonna help that they at least stay the f**k out of the way

Tho much is taken much abides

Posted by: DAve at June 28, 2012 10:09 PM (h+/7G)

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