January 24, 2012

Hugh Downs Explores This Strange New "Trekkie" Phenomenon
— Ace

Back in 1979.

Wait, Uhura was fourth in command?

No. I never got the sense of that at all.

Posted by: Ace at 12:53 PM | Comments (85)
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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 12:54 PM (8y9MW)

2
Remeber the STAR TREK: The Motion Picture Cure for Insomnia?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at January 24, 2012 12:55 PM (sqkOB)

3 Where was the computer in the chain of command? Before the Red shirts (cannon fodder) or behind them?

Posted by: An Observation at January 24, 2012 01:00 PM (ylhEn)

4 From 1979, I stab at thee

Posted by: Wrath of Hugh at January 24, 2012 01:01 PM (Y+DPZ)

5 **Where was the computer in the chain of command? Before the Red shirts (cannon fodder) or behind them?**

Yes.

**Remeber the STAR TREK: The Motion Picture Cure for Insomnia?**

No.  I must have slept through it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 01:01 PM (8y9MW)

6 I am banning this post since it may incite people to suggest that the FLOTUS is a member of a certain Star Trek race.

Posted by: Allahpundit at January 24, 2012 01:01 PM (ggRof)

7 Kirk, Spock, Scottie, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov.

d'uh.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 24, 2012 01:01 PM (h6mPj)

8 I remember a bald-headed chick with a short, short uniform. After that, sweet oblivion.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 24, 2012 01:02 PM (RD7QR)

9 I'm still pissed about the Oscars. The movies nominated and favored is some crap named Hugo and a silent movie. Then of course, they have to nominate the usual Woody Allen bullshit. The guy just keeps recycling the same horrible scrips year after year.

Posted by: mike at January 24, 2012 01:02 PM (RRSlp)

10 3 Where was the computer in the chain of command? Before the Red shirts (cannon fodder) or behind them?

Posted by: An Observation at January 24, 2012 05:00 PM

For one episode I was in charge, and Capt "Dunsel" Kirk was shown to be as useful as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest

Posted by: The M-5 Computer at January 24, 2012 01:02 PM (Y+DPZ)

11 Tubby Alex Baldwin is back on twitter. lol!

Posted by: mike at January 24, 2012 01:03 PM (RRSlp)

12 Sulu was fourth in command I thought.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 24, 2012 01:03 PM (UwYXB)

13 Capt Will Decker was Commodore Matt Decker's son

Those Decker men knew how to commit suicide in dramatic fashion

Posted by: kbdabear at January 24, 2012 01:04 PM (Y+DPZ)

14 Nothing happening until 8PM, I guess.

Posted by: fluffy at January 24, 2012 01:04 PM (3SvjA)

15 Pikers!!!...All of them!!!

Posted by: Captain Christopher Pike at January 24, 2012 01:05 PM (GsBJY)

16

I remember a bald-headed chick with a short, short uniform. After that, sweet oblivion.

.

That was former Miss World Persis Kambhatta (sp?). I did not sleep through her scenes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 24, 2012 01:06 PM (d0Tfm)

17 Quick question -

Given that Ace didn't pick up on the "Uhura is 4th in command" thing, who's going to tell him that Jub-Jub was nothing more than blaster-fodder?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 24, 2012 01:07 PM (h6mPj)

18 Chain of command;

Kirk - Captain
Spock - Commander
Scotty - Lt Commander
Sulu - Lieutenant

I don't think Uhura was a deck officer, and while Scotty wasn't I believe he was certified to command a ship


Posted by: kbdabear at January 24, 2012 01:07 PM (Y+DPZ)

19
Queen to queen's level 3?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at January 24, 2012 01:07 PM (sqkOB)

20 I'm in charge here.

Posted by: Al Haig at January 24, 2012 01:07 PM (WvXvd)

21 I said this post was banned! Don't make me go all Jeffersonian fantasy on your asses!

Posted by: Allahpundit at January 24, 2012 01:09 PM (ggRof)

22 Heh. BBoy2 called any anonymous crewmember who went on away missions "Lieutenant Expendable."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 24, 2012 01:09 PM (d0Tfm)

23

I don't think Uhura was a deck officer, and while Scotty wasn't I believe he was certified to command a ship


Posted by: kbdabear at January 24, 2012 05:07 PM (Y+DPZ)

 

 

 

Scotty was the one in command of the ship while Kirk and Spock were on one of the away missions.  Where they were using chess moves for confirmation codes.

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2012 01:09 PM (GULKT)

24

We have an infestation here.

Posted by: Stan Gable at January 24, 2012 01:10 PM (3SvjA)

25 SCOAMF SOTU Drinking Game

http://thedc.com/xlT54T

This is a good one from Jim Treacher

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 24, 2012 01:11 PM (zgwWv)

26
I didn't know they canceled V.


Posted by: soothie at January 24, 2012 01:15 PM (sqkOB)

27

Mitch Daniels testing the waters??

Second (desperate) look at Mitch?

http://www.issues2000.org/ Mitch_Daniels.htm

Posted by: imp at January 24, 2012 01:16 PM (UaxA0)

28 Douche Chills listening to the SOTU theme song

NEW Misfit Song – 1,000 Days (Without A Budget)


http://bit.ly/A7R2gH


Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 24, 2012 01:17 PM (zgwWv)

29 I didn't know they canceled V.
Posted by: soothie a

coming soon to a TV near you

Firefly: The Chronicles of Inara


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Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 24, 2012 01:17 PM (h6mPj)

30 "Firefly: The Chronicles of Inara"

Put that on HBO or Cinemax, and I'm there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 24, 2012 01:19 PM (8y9MW)

31 Gene Roddenberry tried to make the second-in-command be a woman. That was Majel Barrett as "Number One" in the first pilot, "The Cage". According to what I have read, the test audiences didn't like "Number One" and the studio told Roddenberry he needed to get rid of that woman. Instead of getting rid of her, he put her in a blonde wig and demoted her to nurse; she went by a variation of her name and the studio never noticed. Nichelle Nichols wrote in her book that she was bummed about how Uhura really had little to do. Again, Gene Roddenberry had grand plans that didn't pan out; there was supposed to be a big "Communications" department and Uhura was supposed to be in charge of it, but that never happened. I don't know anything about this 4th in command stuff, and it makes no sense, but I can imagine Roddenberry saying it, just as a cheap way he could sort of give Uhura a promotion. Not everything Roddenberry did was golden. (The fans hated Wesley Crusher, and Wesley was purely Roddenberry's idea. By the way, his full name was Gene Wesley Roddenberry; it's possible that Wesley was a Mary Sue by Roddenberry himself!) But you really have to give Roddenberry credit for trying to push the envelope a bit with women's roles. It was the 60's! P.S. I saw an interview with Cindy Williams, who played Yori in the original Tron movie. She wanted to do some fighting in the fight scenes. Her comment was that fighting in Tron was mostly throwing a Frisbee, and she could do that. The studio didn't want it, and this was the 80's.

Posted by: steveha at January 24, 2012 01:19 PM (TMG3G)

32 Uhura was in charge of sandwich making.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 24, 2012 01:21 PM (lVGED)

33 I was just watching the old animated Trek series on Netflix.  It's pretty good.  I never knew the holodeck actually first appeared in the animated series, more than a decade before Next Gen (altho they called it the "rec room", it functioned just like the holodeck). 

Posted by: Jon at January 24, 2012 01:23 PM (IFigw)

34 OMG!!!  Another dweeb thread.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2012 01:23 PM (MOOhP)

35 Hugh Downs?  He's dead, Jim.

Posted by: Bones McCoy at January 24, 2012 01:24 PM (QKKT0)

36 obama would never fund the starship enterprise. maybe the gulag enterprise, yeah that's the ticket

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 01:25 PM (i6RpT)

37 Star Trek? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at January 24, 2012 01:25 PM (d0Tfm)

38 32 Uhura was in charge of sandwich making. Posted by: Dr Spank at January 24, 2012 05:21 PM (lVGED) Face it. Uhura was the black futuristic Ernestine (a.k.a. Lily Tomlin).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2012 01:26 PM (UlUS4)

39 The White House is congratulating Egypt on achieving "several historic milestones" in its transition to democracy. The White House issued the statement ahead of Wednesday's first anniversary of the popular uprising that toppled longtime Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak. The White House says that while Egypt still faces many challenges, the country is taking important steps toward fulfilling the promise of its revolution. (AP) Only a blithering idiot would laud the muslim brotherhood taking over.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 01:26 PM (i6RpT)

40 Posted by: steveha at January 24, 2012 05:19 PM (TMG3G)


Wow...talk about scattershooting.

You jumped from Original, to Next Generation, then back to the 60's.......to TRON.

WTF man.......

Posted by: © Sponge at January 24, 2012 01:27 PM (UK9cE)

41 35 Hugh Downs? He's dead, Jim. Posted by: Bones McCoy at January 24, 2012 05:24 PM (QKKT0) No but they named a syndrome after him. Or was it Grace Slick's daughter. Never mind.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2012 01:27 PM (UlUS4)

42

I would have watched more of the original Star Trek shows if the women would have worn shorter skirts without the cheerleader underwear. 

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2012 01:28 PM (MOOhP)

43 NERDS!!

Posted by: Fred Palowakski at January 24, 2012 01:29 PM (GTbGH)

44

Wow...talk about scattershooting.

You jumped from Original, to Next Generation, then back to the 60's.......to TRON.

WTF man.......


It's all sci-fi. Resistance is futile. Inara can assimilate me any time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 24, 2012 01:30 PM (d0Tfm)

45 13 Capt Will Decker was Commodore Matt Decker's son

Those Decker men knew how to commit suicide in dramatic fashion

Posted by: kbdabear at January 24, 2012 05:04 PM (Y+DPZ)


Will Decker joined with that hot, bald check. Eternity of coitus, I should be that lucky...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 24, 2012 01:30 PM (84oau)

46 Captain (Kirk), Officer Of the Deck (duty exec) Spock , Officer of Conn(vessel control) Sulu, Navigation. (which Uhura would have been as she doubled on Comm)

This actually follows fairly closely the CoC at Sea on a large enough vessel (say mine sweeper and larger). Smaller vessels (tugs and tenders or landing vessels) have a looser CoC and Enlisted may be part of it.


Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 24, 2012 01:31 PM (xqpQL)

47 Both Scotty and Sulu were shown to have command of the ship while Kirk and Spock were on the away team.  I never saw Uhuru command, but remember the show was made in the 60's so they'd have to have jokes about "crazy women drivers" and such.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 24, 2012 01:31 PM (i0App)

48 I would have watched more of the originalStar Trek shows if the women would have worn shorter skirts without the cheerleader underwear.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2012 05:28 PM (MOOhP)



I'd watch ANYTHING a lot more if that were the case, Captain Obvious..

Posted by: © Sponge at January 24, 2012 01:32 PM (UK9cE)

49 Oh and all line officers have to be out of action for an engineering officer to take command.

Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 24, 2012 01:33 PM (xqpQL)

50 47 Both Scotty and Sulu were shown to have command of the ship while Kirk and Spock were on the away team. I never saw Uhuru command, but remember the show was made in the 60's so they'd have to have jokes about "crazy women drivers" and such.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 24, 2012 05:31 PM (i0App)

There having a sale at Sear's, Uhuru... Why don't we warp over there?

Posted by: Nurse Chappelle at January 24, 2012 01:33 PM (84oau)

51 Oh and all line officers have to be out of action for an engineering officer to take command. Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 24, 2012 05:33 PM (xqpQL) Hey how about us Dental Officers? We drill alot after all /

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 24, 2012 01:35 PM (i6RpT)

52  Oh and all line officers have to be out of action for an engineering officer to take command.

Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 24, 2012 05:33 PM (xqpQL)

 

 

So fuck you, Scotty.  You'll never get a chance to be like me.

Posted by: Capt. Kirk at January 24, 2012 01:36 PM (MOOhP)

53

There having a sale at Sear's, Uhuru... Why don't we warp over there?

Posted by: Nurse Chappelle at January 24, 2012 05:33 PM (84oau)

 

And maybe I could check out the ball bearings.

Posted by: Capt. Christopher Pike at January 24, 2012 01:36 PM (QKKT0)

54 52 Oh and all line officers have to be out of action for an engineering officer to take command.
Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 24, 2012 05:33 PM (xqpQL)


So fuck you, Scotty. You'll never get a chance to be like me.

Posted by: Capt. Kirk at January 24, 2012 05:36 PM (MOOhP)


Er, you're a fucking bloody wanker. I'm gonna eat til I create my own gravity field

Posted by: Scotty at January 24, 2012 01:38 PM (84oau)

55 Women should never be trusted with the command of an expensive vessel.

Posted by: Capt. Francesco Schettino at January 24, 2012 01:39 PM (QKKT0)

56 Oh and all line officers have to be out of action for an engineering officer to take command.
Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 24, 2012 05:33 PM (xqpQL)


Not true. Engineering officers are line officers. When my old boss left the Enterprise it was to take CO of another ship.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2012 01:41 PM (YdQQY)

57 I vaguely remember Uhura assuming command of the Enterprise in one episode.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 24, 2012 01:43 PM (niZvt)

58 "The fans hated Wesley Crusher, and Wesley was purely Roddenberry's idea."

Part of the reason that Wesley was so hated was because of a writer's strike one year. Before the strike, all the writers were tasked to write a "Wesley episode", and they were going to make the best one or two of them.

Unfortunately, they ended up using all of those scripts that season instead of just the best ones.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 24, 2012 01:44 PM (bjRNS)

59 Uhura was a total hottie, too bad her job was little more than a jumped up switchboard operator.

Posted by: Speller at January 24, 2012 01:48 PM (J74Py)

60 Whether it comports with real life or not, the chain of command on the Original Series was:

Kirk (as captain)
Gary Mitchell (the executive officer, killed in the pilot)
Spock (the science officer)
Scotty (the chief engineer)
some dude who only showed up in one episode and never again
Sulu (when Scotty was missing for the war with the Klingons)

Beyond that, it's unclear where Uhura was.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 24, 2012 01:49 PM (bjRNS)

61 Uhura was on the phone.

Posted by: JASmius at January 24, 2012 01:51 PM (qF+mo)

62 Persis Khambatta died in 1998 of a heart attack. She was 49. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persis_Khambatta

Posted by: Reno_Dave at January 24, 2012 01:56 PM (OL4L4)

63

Enterprise chain of command varied from episode to episode. The writing was half assed at best.

Posted by: JONES at January 24, 2012 01:58 PM (gSWeV)

64

Uhura's "official" job description was Communications officer, but her real purposes were:  1.  To translate for Kirk when he found a new green alien to shag, and 2.  To Kirk's voracious sexual needs were satisfied when no green chicks were around.

Uhura was assigned after one particularly long cruise that became legendary in Star Fleet Annals (no pun intended) for including an event that was known simply known as The Sulu Affair.  It involved an out of control Kirk repeatedly sodomizing Lt. Sulu (who, oddly, though he had his communicator available, neglected to call for security for almost three hours) while screaming:  "You wanted to see the Kobiyashi Maru???  I'LL SHOW YOU THE "KOBIYASHI MARU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

Posted by: Little Known True Facts at January 24, 2012 02:14 PM (RtpCp)

65 63
Enterprise chain of command varied from episode to episode. The writing was half assed at best.

Posted by: JONES at January 24, 2012 05:58 PM (gSWeV)

And the kept jacking me around every episode. 

Posted by: Star Date Calendar at January 24, 2012 02:17 PM (NNrYJ)

66
Inara can assimilate me any time.

Inara, or Seven of Nine? how about Yes.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 24, 2012 02:20 PM (1hM1d)

67 How come Kirk never had a "Number One," anyway?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 24, 2012 02:20 PM (niZvt)

68
Huh, my fancy formatting seems to have gone sideways...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 24, 2012 02:21 PM (1hM1d)

69 "Uhura" means "Ho" in Swahili.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 24, 2012 02:23 PM (niZvt)

70 47 Both Scotty and Sulu were shown to have command of the ship while Kirk and Spock were on the away team. I never saw Uhuru command, but remember the show was made in the 60's so they'd have to have jokes about "crazy women drivers" and such.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 24, 2012 05:31 PM

The jokes about Sulu driving the ship write themselves

Posted by: kbdabear at January 24, 2012 02:45 PM (Y+DPZ)

71 Sulu was 3rd in command in the 1st season, then they decided it s/b Scotty. I don't think Uhura ever took command. Not that I watched it very much.

Posted by: norrin radd at January 24, 2012 02:53 PM (tVK9Z)

72 You try to stretch yourself, do Strindberg & O'Neill, but all they ever want to hear is "Course laid in, Captain."

Posted by: George Takei at January 24, 2012 02:54 PM (tVK9Z)

73 I read somewhere that they named it "Star Trek" so that Lucille Ball would think it was about a USO tour, so they could get it past her.

Posted by: George Takei at January 24, 2012 03:05 PM (tVK9Z)

74 60 Spock was (almost) always introduced as Kirk's "First Officer." which is the RN title for the Executive Officer. He was the Science Officer in "The Cage/Menagerie" flashback.

Posted by: Fox 2! at January 24, 2012 03:19 PM (RJOgX)

75 The only time Uhura ever commanded the ship was in one of the animated episodes. I've never been in the military so I'm not exactly sure how CoC is supposed to work on a ship. I just assumed that in the episodes where Kirk would leave Sulu in command that either Scotty wasn't on board for some reason or something in engineering required his personal attention and he had the option of coming up and relieving Sulu if necessary or maybe Sulu was just the senior guy on duty and qualified to command when Kirk left so he left him in charge (again with Scotty having the option to relieve him).

The animated series had the first holodeck episode and pretty much every holodeck episode since has been the same episode.

I'm going to vent about the reboot.

I think it is a real shame that the felt they had to go with the 20something cast. In the original series Kirk was 35 and was still young to be in command of a starship. He was supposed to be the youngest captain of one of the flagship class of starships ever. In the original series not all of his fellow officers liked him because he got promoted over a bunch of people and because, let's face it, Kirk was an arrogant prick. They could have run with that and done Kirk's first assignment as captain of the Enterprise and made a much more adult and grounded movie, without having to play stupid temporal games so they are not screwing up the canon.

Venting done......


Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living.... at January 24, 2012 03:21 PM (5Wj1Y)

76 I was a good, hard CoC.

Posted by: lieutenant sulu at January 24, 2012 03:25 PM (sHY5w)

77 Wesley Crusher is evil and must be destroyed.

Posted by: dr. sheldon cooper at January 24, 2012 03:25 PM (sHY5w)

78 I didn't like TNG that much because it was so PC all the time - nobody's really evil, etc. The original series was wonderfully uneven.

Posted by: norrin radd at January 24, 2012 03:33 PM (tVK9Z)

79 #73

I greatly doubt that. Lucy and Desi were big supporters of the show and their influence kept it alive longer than otherwise.

Lucille Ball and Desi Arnez were great innovators. They essentially invented the repeat. In an era when nearly everything was shot and broadcast out of New York, they insisted on staying in Los Angeles, This meant shooting on film and having more cameras than was common on nearly any other sitcom at the time or even most TV, period. Consequently, they had a much higher quality product than almost everything else out there at the time and consequently lent itself to repeat showing much better. This was a gold mine.

#31

Part of the problem is that many of the attributes that later defined Spock were in the Number One character, so she came off as being very cold.

Another part of the history is that Rodenberry didn't want smoking on the show. He figured it was something that would be long abandoned by humanity by the era of the show. But tobacco companies were still huge advertisers on TV back then. They insisted that there be some form of smoking depicted regularly, even if it was some sort of funky skiffy cigarettes. In the end, Rodenberry traded his female XO for making the Enterprise a smoke free starship.

On TNG there was an episode (Disaster, IIRC) where Troi, the frigging shrink, was put in command by default as the only officer known to be alive and on the bridge after a unknown event cripples the ship. Chief  O'Brien was also on the bridge, making it one of the few times they got into the difference between the officer ranks and NCOs.

Posted by: epobirs at January 24, 2012 05:39 PM (kcfmt)

80 Trekkie nerd that I am, I've seen all the episodes of the original series multiple multiple times and I've never seen Uhura in command of the ship, though she did take over Sulu's post once.

Posted by: davidt at January 24, 2012 05:46 PM (axc/z)

81 Sulu was immune to the effects of the Venus drug. I wonder why?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 25, 2012 03:54 AM (OfY5P)

82 # 79: 
On TNG there was an episode (Disaster, IIRC) where Troi, the frigging shrink, was put in command by default as the only officer known to be alive and on the bridge after a unknown event cripples the ship.

Deanna Troi would not have been a line officer any more than Dr. McCoy was, and so would not have been able to command.  In TOS there's a moment when Spock turns himself over to McCoy as "the senior officer present," and McCoy confines the Vulcan to quarters, but of course the doctor doesn't take the command chair himself -- he's not qualified.  In TNG, then, you'd then have the issue of a junior line officer taking command, but, I suppose, deferring to Troi as his senior in rank.

TNG addressed the issue later by saying there was a tough command test you could take to qualify to be a bridge officer.  We see Dr. Crusher'd already done it, and Troi goes through it.

The earlier Treks at least tried for plausibility.  The new film?  Recent Academy graduates being handed command of a multi-trillion-credit starship?  Not so much.

Posted by: Benzadmiral at January 25, 2012 08:48 AM (WuRdj)

83 # 75 The only time Uhura ever commanded the ship was in one of the animated episodes.
*
Yes, when all the male senior officers were incapacitated by some alien ray, or had been kicked in the crotch, or something.  (Actually not a bad ep.) 

And Uhura was apparently qualified to be a bridge/line officer.  At least once we saw her take over the navigation station in that console up front next to Sulu.  This was in the days before a Beatle-style haircut came aboard, closely followed by Ensign Chekov.

Posted by: Benzadmiral at January 25, 2012 08:54 AM (WuRdj)

84 [a href=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPHtAHxB3iI]This is a test[/a]

Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2012 02:49 PM (GULKT)

85 This is an excellent post. It is very informative. Thank you so much. I'll be a regular viewer.

Posted by: How to turn wooden bowls on lathe at January 31, 2012 04:40 AM (mIhy6)

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